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Subscribe to RSSWhen Patrick Greene learned that a county five hours north of his San Antonio home had placed a nativity on the courthouse square, he vowed to file suit if they did it again, the Malakoff News reported. An atheist, Greene did not believe the religious symbol of Christmas had any place on government property.
Then, as quickly as he blew into Henderson County, he withdrew. He would not lead a rally, he told reporters there, because he believed he suffered from a detached retina and was going blind. He had to leave his job as a taxi driver, he elaborated, and he did not have health insurance, according to the Malakoff News.
Greene thought his short foray into Henderson County ended there, but a group of Christians organized to offer him money, the Malakoff News reported.
Jessica Crye of Athens, TX, a member of San Springs Baptist Church, organized the fundraiser. She said that while others in her community were relieved to hear about Greene’s eye condition, she saw the situation differently.
“Why not turn this into something else? This is a great opportunity to turn the other cheek and show God's love,” she told TylerPaper.com.
Erick Graham, her pastor, said they didn’t have time to think or pray about the decision.
“We don't discriminate on who we help, whether they are Christians or non-Christians, church members or not,” Graham told TylerPaper.com. “We just help those with a need.”
Several Henderson County Christians offered to pay for Greene’s eye surgery, but he refused. The surgery wasn’t guaranteed and he said he didn’t want to waste their money.
They asked how they could help and Greene, who was in the Air Force for eight years, admitted that he needed money for groceries until he sorted out his social security.
When a check arrived for $400, he was surprised and touched.
“They said they wanted to do what real Christians are supposed to do – love you – and they wanted to help,” Greene told TylerPaper.com.
Greene asked a friend to spread the word on how he spent the money:
“Our cat now has enough food until our social security checks arrive,” Greene wrote by e-mail. His cat is named Big Boy. “We also have enough food until then. We did not spend any of it on beer or liquor, because not any of the three of us drink any kind of liquor. We did not spend any of it on sports, because all three of us hate sports. Me, my wife and our cat. Our cat is very much into bird watching.”
Recently, Greene has discovered that he also has glaucoma. He set up a blog to solicit help, which he said pains him to do. Some of those donations come from atheists, some from Christians.
In an interesting twist, a property manager has suggested he move to Henderson County, where the rent is cheaper and where he and his wife would be within walking distance of Wal-Mart, a good thing because they don't have a car.
Given the people he's met from there, it doesn't sound like such a bad idea. He, his wife and Big Boy are packing their bags.
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A story that sheds a nice light of hope in all the darkness and hatred in this world. People helping people out of courtesy and humbleness! I hope for Mr. Greene the best of health!
A kind heart is a reward in itself, regardless of beliefs. Being good to each other is the way it should be, sadly many have forgotten this simple but wonderful truth.
Jesus would have walked up to this guy, hugged him, told him that he loves and asked him what he needed and these folks get it. There is no hate, love is the healer.
"Science flies men to the moon, religion flies men into buildings"
The guy was was railing against Christianity, he was railing for the separation of church and state. As a christian I want the church and state to be separated as much as any atheist, so he and these Christians may well have been on the same side of the issue.
Sonar Guy - "Science leads you to nothing, Jesus leads you to Heaven."
It's really great to see the kindness by the Christians. And to make this clear, he wasn't railing against Christians, he is understands that there is a separation of Church and State in this country. Good deeds are good deeds, but that still doesn't change the fact that a Nativity scene has no place on government property.
"I would rather see a sermon ,than to hear one any day"...God bless your efforts!! Hope and pray he heals nicely!!
The next time the atheist here wants to rant about religious types, Remember this. Nothing is ever black or white.
Heh, sorry, late night that night... I meant to say he was not railing against Christianity.
Except some people.
Except some people.
Not really, I am more of a mocha. Are you saying white people are white? Better not stand near a white wall. Ha Ha Ha......
I always did say that you couldn't judge Christians in Texas by Westboro. They are always more likely to offer salvation between puting the pancakes and sausage on your plate and asking if you want coffee or coke. They are offering not pushing their beliefs. Religious or not we will still be there when you need us.
but there is a conundrum, what if heaven and hell are one and the same. for people who like being good its heaven/the best thing ever conceived but for people who are naturally bad its the worst thing ever conceived simply because they can observe but cant partake or do anything(not even speak) but watch, for example it would be like a gay guy being suddenly tied up and placed in the middle of a straight strip bar filled with cowboys and bikers(mostly religious farmer types) who are mostly homophobes or the straight biker/cowboy/rancher who is a homophobe suddenly being tied up and placed in a gay strip bar surrounded by the gay or lesbians or trans-genders. either way it would be torture for either person but not the rest. one persons torture is an others pleasure.
They actually don't get it or some of them wouldn't have been glad this man had a medical condition. Nor would they be "blowing a horn" about their good deed. It's odd that I know of several atheists who have given to help various people because I do social work I am often approached with offers to help people with money or gently used items. They are quiet about it, it's the religious folks who make a scene about it and endlessly ask me if I remember the time they gave fill-in-the-blank. Atheists seem to give for the purest of reasons not because God knows what they do and they don't feel the need to point it out either, for the most part.
Well put Fwalsh and exactly on point . The principles of honesty , caring , empathy or compassion are not religious but spiritual principles . If there was ever any lesson to be learned by Jesus it would have to be to just be a decent , good human being . To put spiritual principles in action in our daily lives .
Science and religion are compatible but also do not need each other to exist.
Science with out religion is still science, and religion with out science is still religion.
One of my college teachers offered this:
"Science is the box of tools God gave us to learn about the world we live in."
AC
Trust in the Lord Jesus Christ!!
Good thing he didn't tell them he was gay. He wouldn't have gotten a dime!
Realmenofgenius Although i think sonarguys statement was out of line. Science does lead to knowledge which is what allows you to type that statement on your computer on the Internet.
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs." Nice to hear about people living their beliefs rather than just talking about them, or slamming those that don't share them. Hope Mr. Greene can recover with no lasting damage to his sight.
And in keeping with the theme of the story, can we all exhibit a little tolerance and discretion in discussing it, without implying (or outright stating) that those who don't believe in a deity or aren't Christian must be unethical, immoral and are most definitely doomed, or that believers/Christians are all fairy-tale-believing, science-rejecting morons who can't think for themselves? Would be nice for a change!
Interesting quote you've selected. You do know it was popularized by Karl Marx in describing his socialist utopia? Not that there's anything particularly wrong with the sentiment, but it's not really Christian per se.
Lizzie,
Quite beautifully expressed! A powerful report and an equally inspiring comment...
Thank you
AG
I'm impressed.
Your reminder made me smile.
I was actually just remembering my favorite parts from "Atlas Shrugged", and wondering if that quote post was inspired by the book.
Many thanks
I'm aware it was popularized by Marx, but the sentiment is certainly Christian. There's a very similar quote in the Bible from Romans about using the different gifts that God gives each of us, and there are many sections in the Bible that address how we should help each other as best we can. Just because someone popularized a saying doesn't mean the origin of the sentiment is solely theirs. Think this sentiment has many fathers and mothers. (And yes, that whirring sound you hear is Marx spinning in his grave.)
Both woven together well..
I agree Lizzie
Interesting how the statement speakes so broadly.
15:29-39 And Jesus departed from there, skirted the Sea of Galilee, and went up on the mountain and sat down there. Then great multitudes came to Him, having with them those who were lame, blind, mute, maimed, and many others; and they laid them down at Jesus' feet, and He healed them. So the multitude marveled when they saw the mute speaking, the maimed made whole, the lame walking, and the blind seeing; and they glorified the God of Israel.
Prophet - Way to stick your religion in the faces of non believers. So much for your request Lizzie.
Ed Burke=3968875
Dear Ed,
So sorry you don't get it.
Actualy AG99 if not mandated by a government it does fall into christian beliefs of Love your neighbor as yourself. We just prefer to do the loving without the government whip to force us. I hope he is able to find healing or a place where his life is comfortable.
@lizzie, if you are enamored with Karl Marx, why the heck would you want to live in the U.S.? I think you'd like it better over in Eastern Europe, or maybe China. Pleasant travels! Don't come back now, ya hear!
Lizzie, you should really think about that statement!!! That has absolutely nothing to do with this story, and its even more appalling that people think that is the right way to think!! Because when your ability becomes too great, it will be you who everyone with no abilities devours!!! phucking idiots!!!
try this: There are no evil thoughts except one: THE ABILITY TO THINK!!!!
Gee, no bigoted athiests posting.
No. You're the first to start throwing stones.
Am I an atheist? yes. Am I a bigot? Absolutely not. I may not share your belief system, but I do not dislike you for following one. In fact I respect you for being able to do so, assuming you are absolutely living within that creed and not hypocritically like so many do. This article IS heartwarming and it's good to see a community coming together to help someone who previously was an adversary. I absolutely agree that was a very true Christian action. It's sad that not many live by that same standard.
Many of my best friends are religious, devoutly religious and belonging to different faiths from Christian to Catholic to Methodist to Muslim to Shinto Buddhist. We all get along just fine together, they don't press their faith on any of us, they live as good human beings instead of attempting to be paragons of their faith. Can't ask for much more than that.
15:29-39 And Jesus departed from there, skirted the Sea of Galilee, and went up on the mountain and sat down there. Then great multitudes came to Him, having with them those who were lame, blind, mute, maimed, and many others; and they laid them down at Jesus' feet, and He healed them. So the multitude marveled when they saw the mute speaking, the maimed made whole, the lame walking, and the blind seeing; and they glorified the God of Israel.
Bigoted Atheists...funny, most atheists I'm familiar with are the least bigoted people you'll ever encounter...but thanks for generalizing us all. But yes, there are some atheist bigots, much like there are bigots from all religions.
This showing of care for an ailing human regardless of internal beliefs is a cornerstone of humanism as well, which of course is a secular movement. It's nice to see some Christians falling in line with "practicing what you preach" and offering support to someone outside their ilk. It is definitely a nice gesture. But you don't need God to be good. In fact, there is a similar fund raiser also occurring from the atheist community for Mr. Patrick Greene...and it's already up to over $800.
HTTP://www.gofundme.com/h44q0
Oh, and nativity scenes on public government land are still unconstitutional. That fact hasn't changed. Hoping for a quick recovery for Mr. Greene.
Thats the money shot right there! It doesn't matter how forgiving they want to appear, it comes down to the law.
Gee, no bigoted athiests posting.
nope but at least one ignorant fool who can't spell atheist.
He didn't say atheists are bigots, he said that "no bigoted athiests are posting".
I don't know why ya'll had to get so defensive over it.
God's pure love shining through!!
But some are taking pride in their altruism, and some are taking satisfaction in his disability.
Bless those who helped from their heart.
except for the fact that you can't even prove your cult-god exists...
Separation of Church (ANY OF THEM ) and State is the complain here and the ailing gentelman was right. Now to do good without looking at who/ whom is what I was told in my Christian Church
Actually, the ailing gentleman was incorrect because there is no such thing as "separation of church and state" in the Constitution. Our Founding Fathers never intended that religion be banned from all public and government properties. Their intention was simply that this country not have an official state religion (like The Church of England), because our Founders believed that all men should be able to worship as they see fit. The sentiment was freedom OF relgion--NOT freedom from religion. The whole misleading quote "separation of church and state" began in the early 20th century with the atheist and secular movements as well as the marxist and progressive movements. I am not religious--though I do consider myself spiritual. Still, the truth is that religion was never meant to be banned from any government proceedings and even our Founders and early politicians had many prayer sessions in government asking for guidance to do the right thing for the people. I don't know about you, but I think the corrupt pols we have now could use some divine guidance again.
wrong yes there is!15:29-39 And Jesus departed from there, skirted the Sea of Galilee, and went up on the mountain and sat down there. Then great multitudes came to Him, having with them those who were lame, blind, mute, maimed, and many others; and they laid them down at Jesus' feet, and He healed them. So the multitude marveled when they saw the mute speaking, the maimed made whole, the lame walking, and the blind seeing; and they glorified the God of Israel.
If you were replying to me, then you are wrong. Please re-read the Constitution.
Um, Janine-984304, I would suggest you re-read the establishment clause and pertinent SCOTUS decisions. Of particular interest are 1947 Everson v Board of Education, 1948 McCollum v Board of Education, 1952 Zorach v Clauson, and 1962 Engle v Vitale.
It would also be worthwhile to check out what the founder's said about it as well. There is certainly room for debate, but simply stating that there is no quoted line of 'separation of church and state' does not mean the concept is not present.
Like Rick Santorum
Janine 1st amendment Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise therof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. That is the amendment now anything other than those words is an interpretation of the amendment not the amendment. The constitution was ratified with the first ten amendments they were not added later.
What about Democracy? If the majority of the community is Christian, do they not have the right to do what the majority wants? Isn't this why Christmas Pageants were held in schools the first 200 years in this country (give or take but you get the drift); so when did the minority start having more rights than the majority?
No. Because this isn't a democracy. The United States is a Constitutional Republic, and always has been. And, the fundamental tenet of that excludes the "majority/mob rule" factor in favor of Equality Under the Law.
Never. There has never been a time when a minority group has had MORE rights than the majority. In this country, they've had to fight for simple equality, and many still are fighting for equality.
You really need to go back and take a Civics 101 class.
Ken considering that Christmas is a pagan holiday and the majority of Americans are not pagan pretty sure that no one is trying to crush Christianity. not to mention everything Bernitch said is true.
@Bernitch
"There has never been a time when a minority group has had MORE rights than the majority."
So, the poor corporate fat cats have had to fight for "simple equality"?
I do not recall the rich being a majority, so yeah that kind of limits what they are.
Two parties separated as polar-opposites. Some how they found a way to get along. We should all strive to this ideal and hold our "leaders" to the same standard. God bless, or Have a nice day... which ever you prefer!
If we can't get past our differences, how could we ever help anyone. I think I would have donated to the man. I believe God is within us all....good and bad. These are the times when we do what Jesus was talking about. Love your neighbor, help those in need. I love the Prayer of St. Francis. Everyone has different ways of thinking but, there is only one way of helping and that is to give.....
You still can donate. Here's the link. It allows you to donate anonymously.
http://www.gofundme.com/h44q0
Heck if I lived that far north and had a car I would offer to drive him to Walmart. We should remember we are children of the same world no matter what we believe and care fo each other.
True Christians know the faith isn't about nativity scenes, or billboards. It's about living the word. In this case, a particular verse comes to mind:
Deuteronomy 15:7, 11
If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land that the LORD your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother. There will always be poor people in the land. Therefore I command you to be openhanded toward your brothers and toward the poor and needy in your land.
I don't expect this to change Mr. Greene's beliefs, but if it softens his heart a little, it's icing on the cake.
Mr. Greene, I wish peace and prosperity.
15:29-39 And Jesus departed from there, skirted the Sea of Galilee, and went up on the mountain and sat down there. Then great multitudes came to Him, having with them those who were lame, blind, mute, maimed, and many others; and they laid them down at Jesus' feet, and He healed them. So the multitude marveled when they saw the mute speaking, the maimed made whole, the lame walking, and the blind seeing; and they glorified the God of Israel.
Quoting an unprovable, mythical cult book doesn't make it real -- no matter how many times you repeat it.
Christians behaving like Christians... I love it. Heaven is not defined in the bible at all. Think about it, if we all behaved as Christ asks wouldn't we have Heaven right here on earth? I believe in science and that belief leads to my belief in God. The Big Bang, all of creation from nothing... that's the definition of God.
Very well said!
I'm actually shocked that good 'ol secular-progressive MSNBC would report on anything good about a religious organization since no one who works there has probably ever seen the inside of a church. I guess if that's not proof there's a God I don't know what would be.
Judgement is not your says the lord it is mine! 15:29-39 And Jesus departed from there, skirted the Sea of Galilee, and went up on the mountain and sat down there. Then great multitudes came to Him, having with them those who were lame, blind, mute, maimed, and many others; and they laid them down at Jesus' feet, and He healed them. So the multitude marveled when they saw the mute speaking, the maimed made whole, the lame walking, and the blind seeing; and they glorified the God of Israel.
How many times are you going to say the same thing over and over this is the third time you have posted it not to mention you never tell what book it is from
Phrophet's quote is from Matthew. :)
Concerned Just take prophet like a door to door salesman and close the door on his foot. Just qouting the bible doesn't make you christian if you don't live it.
Which is why you'll probably never be able to prove your cult god exists -- because you clearly don't have the critical thinking ability to understand what constitutes valid proof or evidence.
It's refreshing to not see a lot of hateful rants by Atheists here. I paid Mr. Greene's blog a visit, and find I can't say the same. I was very dismayed to see the following, prominently displayed.
$100.00
Brian Macker
15 hours ago
Now you can return $100 to those sanctimonious Christians. I've got no religious strings attached to this donation.
No, Mr. Macker, you have no "religious" strings attached to your donation. You did seek to aggrandize yourself in the eyes of other Atheists, at Mr. Greene's expense. It's a shame you see need to exploit him for your own benefit.
Personally, I hope he keeps all the money and uses it to help him and his wife survive their situation.
it is just as refreshing to hear about christians actually being christ like dan.
Neighbors helping neighbors is the way this country was founded. For the man who thinks Mr Greene shaould return the christians money he doesn't understand Texas. Texans still have a bit of the frontier mentality that says you help your friends, your family and your neighbors. If you find yourself brokedown in a city where the sister of the husband of the sister of the wife of your second cousin lives before you go to a hotel you better call and let them know or they will be angry you didn't let them offer help.
This was a heart-warming article and made me think about my failings with others. I hope that I will choose to offer love & kindness the next time I have the opportunity to confront my adversary.
Also, I am so glad that this article made the headlines versus all of the bickering and fighting that we too often hear about!
May blessings come to Mr. Greene, his wife, & Big Boy, as well as that wonderful community of loving & caring people in Henderson County!!
P.S. - Mr. Greene, we too have a cat that we love named Big Boy and I am glad that you care for him as much as you do yourself & your wife. For some people, like me, cats are the only "children". ;}
bless the beasts and the children!! I am glad the kitty benefitted too. EIther way, it is a wonderful story. So nice to hear people come together to help him.
Matthew 6
King James Version (KJV)
Matthew 6
1Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
sean, I assume by your post that you're chastising the Christians for donating to this man and turning it into national news to prove their "goodness." The truth is, you have no idea WHO fed this story to the news. It's likely that Greene was the one who alerted the media. Or one of his friends. Or his wife. Or someone who read his blog. I really don't think they did it for publicity, but that's just my opinion. You're free to believe the worst of people.
ahh...yes...christians proclaiming persecution throughout the post...mr. greene...keep fighting the good fight...from one ex-cabi to another...may your world be right turns and green lights and no drunks puking in the back...if you and yours find yourselves in the dakotas you can all crash at my place for as long as you wish...our cats can "watch" birds all day...we'll keep score with feathers...and no worries...i'm buddhist...but not the chanting kind that's gonna try and convert anyone...just a man on a path with a house that welcomes visitors...as long as they don't try to convert me...that's what the dogs for...
$400 ,wow> i wonder if jesus would be so proud so much money
Well, maybe those people don't have a lot of money to give. Have you thought about that? Maybe they are struggling too but still gave of themselves. How much do you give to help others???
People offered to pay the cost of the surgery and it was declined. And isn't $400 better than none? He asked for help with his grocery bill and it was given. Why the hate?
The fact that they helped out at all was very generous.
Signed,
An atheist.
Phrophet - I think this answers your question.
hEY MAYBE THE gop OR TEA BAGGERS WILL CHIP IN, OR koch brothers?
Where is YOUR donation???
Thank goodness someone finally brought politics into this! I'm pretty sure if we'd gone much longer, the newsvine would shrivel and die without mention of "tea baggers" or "Obozo".
Phrophet, I am surprised and confused, no Bible verse?
Mike, I covered it for him at #15.4.
The true meaning of being a christian, Act from the love of your heart, And his message shall be heard, Treat everyone as you would have them treat you, And find no fault with those who seek for they sometimes follow the wrong path till his light is shone upon them.May this 1 person who shared the love of Jesus from within her heart find the peace she sought from within.
"Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words."
St. Francis of Assisi
Also for people who are not religious your statement would work perfectly for the true meaning of being a good member of humanity. Well the first few sentences anyway :)/
Brother, the Lord Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Who'd a thought it? The good thing is he doesn't have to look at the nativity scene anymore, what a blessing for him. He will struggle with the idea of why he is blind for a while I'm sure.
I think anyone of any faith would struggle with the idea of going blind. I know I would. Wouldn't you?
& how sad that is, southerneyes. How truly sad that is. That could b u or even I. Truly.
In case you are not familiar with metaphor, there are many kinds of blindness. Visual is only one of them. He denies belief in God so spiritual is already assumed. He sees himself as supra-human, as a atheist, and would therefore not give noticed to you or me in our time or need or blindness. I would be shocked to learn that he has enjoyed the fruit of labor or of service to mankind in his life to any great extent. Also, though I do have sympathy for the ill, I do not pity the self righteous and neither should you. Hell, just as heaven, has a purpose and a promise.
Also, I enjoy poking sticks at atheists at times, they are easily riled. He made a point of spending the 'christian money' on cat food out of hate and bigoted self-denial. If he is so arrogant to believe that a large group of atheists are going to pass their hats and send him some money let him eat cat food in the dark. Don't be so thin skinned.
Quite the contrary, most atheists without the "my god is better than your god" crap feel that all men are indeed equal (including ourselves). We also happen to be very empathetic, because we realize that we are all in the same boat.
He loves his cat. He also stated that because of the money his family (himself, wife and cat) are fed. He's announcing their generosity. The only hate and bigotry I see here is from you.
Feel the love. /s
southerneyes, you're words reveal a picture of someone who thinks they are morally superior and defines self righteousness.
Gee, I feel bad now EngEsq and Hatr_, you guys seem to have mistaken my holding the poor guy to his own lifestyle and stated thoughts as some kind of indictment. I was merely trying to help him be a better, more independent free-thinker.
On the other hand, it wasn't his empathy that took him to another town to protest a nativity like a moron. It wasn't a think-tank of particle physicists that encouraged him to move closer to his health-care source and made an attempt to bridge a small financial gap for the poor guy. It was neighbors and strangers. Yes, mostly religious freaks. Atheists think they are immune to peer judgement, but as a fellow human, I judge them to be flawed and pointless. Atheists have no answers, offer no relief, cry continuously about injustices and yet can't have a real two-way conversation about anything concerning morals, humanity nor what making a judgement means. Are you going to apply some logical psychological or scientific reasoning for why a person has a 'desire' to dismantle a nativity scene? No reason really, it's just hate, whether you mask yourselves in constitutional righteousness or not. Whether it's masked in bigoted self-indulgent human narcissism, or not. It's just hate. You have a sincere dislike for organized religion and you probably don't even know or won't talk about why and that has nothing to do with faith, it's just human hate and the religious is your target. That's what a bigot is. I don't hate this man because he is a atheist, however, I don't have to be humbled by his or your contempt of my belief. I don't have to pretend that I care if he wallows in his own self indulgence. If I'm self-righteous, then what the hell is a atheist who try's to dismantle a public Christmas ornament that's enjoyed by kids and old people? It's simple to label a person and pass off judgement, right? In turn, what does that make you, when you don't even consider what it is you are defending except that you share a non-belief in a set of intangible ideas? He probably is a weirdo bearded guy with a smokers hack and dirty fingernails that you would avoid otherwise.
In typical fashion you mockingly said 'feel the love', but I challenge you again to let me know where to send some cat food, since that's more important than feeding his wife or himself. At least one biological life-form of superior moral righteousness will live.
@EngEsq
Though this sight is notorious, for every atheist I see here that doesn't posts something crude or insulting, I see two or three that do. Though the same could be said for Christians, I don't feel that they are often directly trying to hurt someone, but rather pass judgement off when it is not needed. Maybe I have a one sided view of things, but many of the atheists I see posting here say things, it seems, only to bring us down.
Though I've got to admit, lecturing someone isn't going to make them feel like your side is any better. I see that from a lot of Christians here too.
southerneyes,
So You have Found God? If Nobody Claims Him In 30 Days, He's Your's!
If Evolution is Just a Theory, Religion is Just an Opinion.
Can I Teach Evolution In Your Church?
Education as the Cures of Religious Terrorism. Let's face it ,Taliban's religion is responsible for more wars and murders than just about any other cause.... except perhaps oil.
jack -- christianity has killed more throughout history than any other cult on the planet.
Praise God from whom all blessings flow.
No proof of that. That is just an unsubstantiated cult claim.
Now that's a story of how we should all be with each other! God is indeed sending his blessings to the non believer and who knows maybe he will see the light, the truth and the way!
....."God" didn't write the dude a $400.00 check, ordinary PEOPLE did. And the cash didn't just flutter down out of the sky as the clouds parted and a ray of sunshine shot through, it was donated by yet more PEOPLE. So stop acting like all of this happened because "God" decided to get off his ass and bless someone.
ya, god gave this guy $400 and gave some other people starvation, diseases, burning, rapes, stabbings, bombs, bullets, and shrapnel all for being in the wrong part of the world that has oil or minerals worth trillions.... ya, glad your 'god' is looking out for people huh...
credit where credit is due, to the people that donated and gave to this couple out of their own desire to help others.
so -- your cult-god sent a $400 blessing to this guy, but screwed over millions of americans through his failed christian president Dumbya Bush by destroying billions and billions of dollars in savings and retirement investments? your cult-god can take his tongue and lick my behind...
I totally agree w/u Rogers622. Now, why can't EVRYBODY act like that. Sure would save a lot of headache, heartache, & mayb even some lives, 2. Can I get an Amen? How about a A-Woman, 2?
what a fREAKING retard nut case! Going to sue if they have a cute picture of Santa Claus, baby Jesus or an Angel too! Man, we should be suing you for your lack of Soul connection by definition - you are not a Human Being - because being - implies ISness beyond your freaking body, idiot! You want put yourself in BIG BLACK DARK closet - that's your MIND!!! but don't spread your insanity - for obviously it is CATCHING!!!
A nativity scene is fine on private property such as a home or church. It does not belong on government property. Period.
And your contention that being a human being is more than our cognition and biology is questionable at best, and likely entirely false.
more so you have just shown why people think as they do about christians. for every good deed there is another who simply spews hate and judgement.
criminy! there is enough hate BETWEEN christians to last a lifetime. don't kid yourself!
These people are doing what Christ would do...hence the word Christians. If people would take the time to learn about Christ, what he stands for and what he did in his time, there would be less ignorance and confusion. These are historical facts/events, not fairy tales or "stories". Christianity is not a religion, it's an emulation of Christ. Religion has emerged from Christianityy and what has ultimately been the downfall of society...to many religions. But thank God for someone who knows about the true essence of Christ, because he also said to love our enemies, or adversaries and pray for them!
Rubbish. christianity is an unprovable, mythical cult which emanates from an unprovable, mythical cult book. by trying to suggest it is factual, you then eliminate the need for faith, which throws the Sand of Hypocrisy in your face. Also, by trying to suggest it is factual (when it is not) -- you show what little confidence you have in your cult beliefs. And that is sad for you.
these religious folks seem to practice what they preach. all too rare these days.
Quit making such a colassal big deal out of a $400 donation. Criminy.
This is just what you'd expect of christians: they're trying to make a million dollars in PR out of a $400 skiff.
Deceivers are the ones who preach that God is never offended ...never risen to anger...and never strikes those who mock him. The Athiest attacked a manger scene . Real followers of Christ would minister to the spiritually blind man by reading Zacharia 11:17 " Woe to the worthless shepherd who deserts the flock ! May the sword strike his right arm and eye. May his arm be completely withered and his right eye totally blinded. " In hopes that his eyes to the almighty power of God would be opened while he still lives to repent.
Incorrect. He rightfully asserted that a manger scene has no place on a piece of governmental land (unless it is open to all belief systems for expression). No atheist has an issue with a manger scene on a church or private home lawn.
real christians know that judgement like you speak of is reserved for god.
well, no. they CLAIM that. but it's just another one of their unprovable, mythical cult claims. none of them can even prove their cult-god exists.
So, read him a verse from a book he doesn't believe is true, and he'll start worshipping a god he doesn't believe exists, who is such a violent being he doesn't deserve worship, anyway.