branxoz, you are a complete idiot.

Ditto buckwheat!

The person who fired the shots took his own life so he wouldn't be brought to justice, that is why its called murder-suicide

Get a clue idiot. Does the President direct each and every criminal investigation? Because a young man was killed in Florida, by an idiot with a gun, you have to rant about anybody else getting killed with a gun? The police in San Francisco believe this was a murder-suicide by one family member on four other family members. No racism here, that I can see. Just some insanity in a family. If evidence to the contrary appears, I hope the police act accordingly. In Florida, a Neighborhood Watch guy pursued a teenager he had already reported to the police, who told him not to pursue or confront the teenager, did exactly what he was advised not to do, shot and killed the teenager. Then, the local police didn't arrest the guy, even though they had evidence that he had exceeded what he was allowed by law to do. Unless you have evidence in each case that wasn't reported, please save your hatred for an action that requires it.

"Police said the public is not in any danger"

Well, I would expect that since, after all, it was a murder suicide!

Missy , did you not read it??? it said murder suicide, that means whoever did it shot themself when they were done with the others!!!! WOW and to think some of the people on here went to college!!!

Branxoz and american, the President was asked directly about the Florida case, someday you should learn to read before spewing your ignorance.

Troy , did you not read it??? it said APPARENT murder suicide, that means POSSIBLY whoever did it shot themself when they were done with the others!!!! WOW and to think some of the people on here went to college!!!

Probably not you, though. If you did, it was a waste of time and money.

Funny how the Obamahaters use every opportunity, including those that have nothing to do with the president, to bash him. You haters sound like a broken record and it's getting old.

well klone if its apparent, it means that they are pretty certain that they know who did it.... i bet you the dr who wrote obama's birth certificate too!!!

Klone, you need to stand still while they are putting on your new white straight jacket, it will keep you from hurting yourself, just relax , take your meds and be a good little boy and go lay down for a nap. come back when you grow up!!!!

Branxoz has yanked every-body's chain quite nicely. I don't agree with his comments, but he sure knows how to stir the pot.

Feel bad for the person who had to walk in and find that. I can honestly feel for her. Nothing more traumatic than finding people you know and love dead in horribly violent ways.

I also find it kind of sad people will use anything to spout their views and bullsh*t in the hopes that someone will pay attention to them. It's drama whoring at it's worst.

Branxoz has a valid question based on events in florida. Where is the equality?

Actually, that isn't a valid question. The police in SF believe the shooter is among the dead and not roaming free while still wielding a firearm.

See the difference now?

Damned guns!

"Quick collapse by NRA Shills"

Once again branxoz...I state, you're an idiot

@Mark O Pierce, your an idiot racist your self and you smell like pure doodoo. Your comment stinks, this has nothing to do with Florida. This story is about White on White crime.

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Buckwheat Elvis, You are a complete Idiot

Tyler, it would be nice if, on a thread like this, any and all political comments were deleted. that way relevant stuff could be discussed. Don't know what needs discussed about a murder/suicide, except i do wish those who decide to kill themselves would take the trip alone. Especially parents of young children.

Which brings me to another point - if the government is going to support abortion and birth control, why not add adoption to the ante. That way, kids who survive the pill and abortion , but have unwilling or unable parents will get a better chance. Right now, it costs about $7,000.00 to adopt in the USA, and $4000.00 plus travel expenses to adopt elsewhere. Shame.

OK, Tyler, I got off topic, sort of.

american-2051576

buckwheat - Actually what is the difference between one death in florida and five in san francisco? They were all lame. Perhaps you think the difference lies in murder-suicide vs one on one with one walking away?

Branxoz has a valid question based on events in florida. Where is the equality?

Actually the difference lies in the fact that the murderer in this case is DEAD. But hey, why don't we spend time and money trying to prosecute the dead guy anyway? Seriously, can you chew gum and walk at the same time? Cause you clearly don't know how to read & think.

Does this all make enough sense for you to grasp it now? Or do you want to continue to make lame comparisons in a desperate attempt to troll about Obama? Please people let it go. It's kinda sad to witness this on EVERY article. Save the political bashing for a political story and stop wasting space on the boards.

hmm the OBAMA supporters don't get their comment taken off, but God forbid someone go against your thinking, so you must collapse it.. haha

Rick-3608408

What in the world are you talking about Rick, give me a break and at least proof read your B.S.

Take the tin foil off you head Rick

Rick- it's not that the police report is vague, its that this article is vague. The article is what's not giving you enough information, that doesn't necessarily mean there isn't a whole stack of facts the police have that led them to make the no-danger claim.

Rick,

Being fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life.

Tombones,

I was thinking the same thing

I can assure you, with a case like this, nothing is being swept under the carpet. Just because the media has not been given much information and has produced a less than detailed report does NOT mean the police officers assigned to the case aren't doing their jobs. Believe it or not, the kind of evidence left behind in situations such as these can be easier to decipher than you'd think, and if the police aren't looking for anyone else at this time, it's because everything they have seen so far points to exactly what they suspect, murder-suicide.

You have heard the "same old story" so many times because it actually happens quite often.

Believe it or not, not everything is a conspiracy.

and a p.i.s.s poor job at reporting this story imo

The article didn't say the gun was in any of the victims hands. Unless one of the vics was holding the smoking gun, it was probably murder.

The article doesn't say much of anything at all. It's as if some middle schooler was just walking home, passed by the crime scene and overheard some cops talking about what was going on inside, then went online and blogged about it. And unfortuntely it's all too common with MSN news.

well joemach, the police tried to question the person with the gun but he wouldn't answer them!!!! DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yep, this is a pretty vague article but so are the news reports on San Francisco TV stations at this point. Using a touch of old fashion common sense, OK, the girl who found them can probably be ruled out, unless it is an episode of "CSI". The lone man shot in the foyer probably is a murder in that IF the gun had been found near him the verbage would have been "An almost certain Murder-Suicide..." So the gun must have been near the couple in the garage or the women in the back of the house. Until forensics has gone over the scene and some tests are run the case is an open bet as to who done it.

However it turns out to have gone down an entire familyy and their network of friends are in shock and mourning. Turning this into an election political soap box is disrespectful to the dead and their surviving loved ones!

Ban handguns.

Yes, it is so reasonable to lump a million people into one stereotype. It is also helpful in a discussion.

Spoken like someone who's never been here.

SF is a beautiful town and like every other large town in the USA. They all have their problems. I was raised in the SF Bay Area and worked in SF for many years. I never met a person from SF that I disliked!

Bad things happen everywhere .. that's the sad reality!

If I could afford to I'd move back to San Francisco. I really miss the friendly, professional, kind people there so much and I didn't live in the high rent districts when I was living there!

Their working great for the bad guys.... The good guys have no way to defend themselves. This is a prime example.

Absolutely sharon, this is becoming a world wide epidemic of suicide and murder as more people become distraught with an almost hopeless future of poverty and loosing their homes and jobs.. Not that despair in the past has not been present and caused the same thing but this is just more of it.. People are choosing guns as they are easier but in their absence I could only imagine what tools of violence people would and do choose.. Seems like monthly we here of someone torching their home with the family inside or driving into a lake with a car full of children.. I blame some of the original sins "GREED and JEALOUSY of your neighbors possessions" .. People so wound up with the acquisition of wealth or things that they mindlessly destroy whole companies or towns or families by jerking the meens out from under them to possess.. You know who they are, people not satisfied with making hundreds of thousands of dollars or having a older model whatever because their neighbor has a new one.. They seek that status symbol or millions or billions of dollars at any cost..

Roadrunnero........Agreed. All of this worlds problems can be attributed to #1. Greed and #2 Covetousness. Greed is the single most powefull downside to mankind since the begining of time. It will never relinquish it's ever tightening grip, it only festers and grows. The more the population grows the worse it will become. At this point and time in the history of the world it's tenacity is so strong and rampant that it is teetering on the very edge of destroying everyone and everything.......So sad.

I could care less what my neighbor has. I have my own living, stay within my means and bypass everything they have. Money isn't everything to some folks. But others, it their WHOLE life. In other words, GET A LIFE!! You want to keep up with the Jonses, but can't make the money they do..So out come the credit cards..Buy, Buy, Buy....Now you have more bills than money....Foreclosure notices, credit notices. You get NO sympathy from me...Make the bed you lie in more comfortable, and you will sleep better..I guarantee it!!

Boffer, I gree with your post 95%. Those of us that do our best to live within our means and really don't give a rat's F*rt in a wind storm what our neighbors have (Well, I AM happy for them if it is something they have really wanted and finally found a way to get, YEA for them!).

We have far too many people raised to believe their worth is in their job and what things they acquire and not in WHO they are and how they treat others. A whole lot of these people just never were taught or otherwise learned the tools to deal with identity loss (Fake though it turns out that identity profile was). I do have sympathy for these people but don't excuse the violent, desperate actions some are turning to.

At least as a culture we need to band together (Forget our government being of much help in this area) as neighbors and communities and get to KNOW each other. Some corny, Norman Rockwell scenerios may work such as neighborhood pot luck/BBQs at a local park with games for kids and families, maybe even, if the logistics are good, have movie night in the park after said pot luck/BBQ. Reintroduce the kids to the Marx Bros., Three Stooges etc. INDIVIDUALLY we are more and more limited in downtime and special family events that are affordable BUT if we pool resources we all can do more and build a bigger, stronger support network in the process.

We libs are loving and rational. Gotta go now. Mommy said my PBJ and Koolaid are ready. Long way up from the basement!

Rob

They're looking for a relative to pop out.

They must have been wearing hoodies!

I agree, the hoodies are the problem. Maybe we should go into business making bullet resistant hoodies. We could make them using all the popular gang colors and logos. Perhaps some built in holsters too? Throw in a belt or suspenders with each one purchased so their pants will stay up?

Obama did it, he takes credit for everything else!!!!!!!

He doesn't TAKE credit, you dumb snot. 

People GIVE it to him. Because he earns it for the things you teabaggers fail to stop him from doing.

Klone , you are an idiot!!!

Hey, Troy...

Promise to turn on your webcam when he wins re-election? I want to watch your head explode ;-)

Good lord Klone,,,,,, do you have an anger problem???? do you need me to call the nurse for your meds???

That's not anger, that's amusement... like I'm watching a monkey in the zoo smearing himself with poop. 

Your comments are so stupid they make up for some of the grim news we keep reading.

klone , you must be a very lonely man...

Troy, Can you find the grammatical error you made in your first post? If you take high school English you will learn to construct a proper sentence.

Klone and Troy, Obama bashing is totally out of place and ultimately disrespectful to the victims of these shootings be they dead or the living survivors trying to make sense of what has happened.

You have every right to your views and to voice them but this is really not the place! Please?

THANK YOU! thank you very much...

;) ;P

Hey Dawg, the MSM doesn't print that kind of news. There are 9 or 10 articles a month about self defense in th "American Rifleman" magazine. Pick one up at your favorite news stand.

FBI statistics say law enforcement is more likely to shoot the wrong person than are concealed weapon permit holders, simply because the CWP holders are actually there, and know what's happening, whereas law enforcement shows up later, and doesn't.

Also, honestly - have you ever heard of law enforcement NOT claiming one of their shootings was self defense? How likely is it that one of their shootings would ever be prosecuted as anything else, when the "referee" (the DA) is a member of their team? Do you consider it self defense if law enforcement were using weapons in an offensive manner (like, a raid, or to force obedience?)

and Bear that is just the tip of the ice-berg

@HRDAWG All the time, and your stats have nothing to do with a cwp holder. There are accidents everyday with everything from knives to cars, but we DO NOT take away these things because of these accidents or rage with knives or cars now do we? When used correctly knives and cars work fine for everyone, just as guns do. You are utterly ignorant. Take them away from those who use them in the manner in which they should and see what happens. Then you see people like yourself dropping like flies.

HRDAWG_— agree with your comment wonder why someone doesn't post or have on the news a poll comparing gun owners accidents and legal gun owners murdering others to criminals killing? The criminals have got their guns by stealing them from legal gun owners.

"hung", not trying to be a smart a%% Jim but we know how some dismiss a person's post/viewpoint over little sh..uh...stuff.

Um, no, in that context, "hanged" is right.

The only reference to color was the orange house, I don't know what you read.

I'll bet they were Orientals.

This article didn't state much about the case at all-let alone skin color. Maybe you should re-read?

Turdchaser...I'm not saying anymore.

It was a commentor that implied that they were black and another that they were Gay (That wasn't the word used) but those have been deleted by the Moderator.

So far newscasts out of S.F. haven't identified the race/races of the victims.