Rock,,,Apparently these low lifes do!

thunder,

All these guys are in jail, where they belong! Why would Al Sharpton need to get involved?

names and mug shots provided at http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_20239885/ramsey-county-charges-be-filed-rape-14-year?source=most_viewed

These gangs need to be treated like Tim Mcvay, as homegrown terrorists. They rob, steal, murder for entertainment, rape little kids, sell guns and drugs, and drag down any place they are into the sewer. They are parasites on the American public and need to be exterminated like the vermin they are. This evil among us won't be stopped until the public joins together to run them out of society and right into a prison cell for the rest of their worthless evil lives. Or even better, just like Mcvay, euthanize them.

Marty,,,AMEN!

I wonder if al sharpton and jessie jackson will haul butt down there to raise he** on this too?

They probably would except the twin cities police aren't like rosco and enis down if florida that completely flubbed the Trayvon Martin case.

That's not the driver for al and jesse, interesting that you have already gathered the evidence and tried the case in FL, how'd you do that from your couch?

thunder-2108346I wonder if al sharpton and jessie jackson will haul butt down there to raise he** on this too?

Rockyroad-531554

Al Sharpton where are you Brah?

Dave-3537810

The victim wasn't black enough or the assailants weren't white enough to get big media attention.

Google is your friend...

And if the link doesn't work, Google 24 year old Mang Yang, and click on Images. It's the third result.

If these thugs are tried and found guilty...relieve them of their balls.

Where does it state the race of these gang members that you need to make such a assinine statement? There are gangs of every creed, color, ethnicity.

Yes very stupid comment in light of the fact that the one person identified sounds Asian. There are plenty of Asian gangs.

Nah, don't kill them. Neuter them, and then make sure their names, faces and new non-reproductive status are very well known. Let them live the rest of their lives being known as the Gang with No Balls.

Where is Charles Bronson's "Paul Kersey" (Death Wish) character when you need him?

Big tough guys, huh? As long as they are all together and able to gang up on and hold down a big, powerful 14 year old girl.

Like cockroaches suddenly exposed to light, they scattered the moment someone yelled "police"; they knew - the second they began having their "fun" - exactly how twisted, perverted and despicable what they were doing was and as such should be accorded just as much "understanding" as they accorded their victim - none.

It truly is a shame you can't execute scum like this; castrate them or do something equally final to them so that they can get a feel for what it felt like to be helpless, victimized with people watching you scream and struggle as the low lifes "had their way" with this girl. It might not undue the horror they wrought, but it would (especially if you executed them) certainly make the world a better place immediately thereby.

I say we should have a manhunt that is allowed to shoot any gang member so we can finally and once and for all eradicate gangs from all communities and our country. They are a disease and I want no part of them in my community, and where I live, rubbish like gang members are not allowed. We don't deal with that kind of garbage here in small rural Iowa towns.

I wish this young lady well, and I hope each and every one of these men's faces are plastered all over the neighborhoods of the town it happened in. This way people will see them and deal with them the right way by eliminating this garbage from their community.

Lock these bastards up for life, or send them all to the gas chambers.

if any of them are not natural born citizens, send them back to where they immigrated from ... obviously they have commited felonies ... revoke their visas or naturalizations and deport them like they used to do (and still can based upon the old and new laws currently in the books) to mafia criminals back to whence they came from after they serve their time in prison playing Bubba's new g/f.

Kevin C-752389

Where is Charles Bronson's "Paul Kersey" (Death Wish) character when you need him?

Right on" Love Charles Bronson the vigilantly..We need a Vigilantly here.

Harley Mike,

Please don't blame the victim here! 14 year olds are not great judges of character. They are just starting their independence and many are vunerable to being deceived by manipulators.

You don't know what kind of "tabs" her parents kept on her.

And I certainly didn't appreciate your comment, "Let this be a lesson to other young girls"

What's next, accusing her of wearing immodest clothing?

And to you posters who immediately want to disparage someone's race or ethnicity because of any event- I have to ask: When was the last time you disparaged the caucasian race when a caucasian was the perpetrator? Did you hear anyone post about Casey Anthony doing this because she was white?

Making generalizations hurts our society, it does not help.

Gang banger's ? They look like kids from the special ed classes for stupid and Mentally challenged teens. You know them. They are the ones that made their mothers wish they considered the abortion option before they made the mistake of giving birth to them. Most likely it would take all 9 to hold one 14 year old girl down. Its ok cause when they are in prison they will learn how Horrible Gang Rape is when you have a group of 28-45 year old hard core real gang banger's and true thugs that are parents ramming a old half broken broom stick where the sun don't shine.

Where does it state the race of these gang members that you need to make such a assinine statement? There are gangs of every creed, color, ethnicity.

Good Point! But what are the odds? Unless they want to consider Mang Yang and any other asians or hispanics as white. Which when it comes to crime stats they have no problem classifying asians and hispanics/latinos as white. It helps make it look like hispanics/latinos and asians don't commit as much crime keeping their numbers lower while giving whites higher crime stats.

The Trayvon Martin case is a good example of fudged stats. The shooter, in one article, was called a white-hispanic. White-Hispanic!? If zimmerman had been shot, he would have been classified as hispanic but since he is the shooter. he is white/hispanic. WTF

Harley, surely you're not saying that this girl ASKED to be raped or DESERVED to be raped, are you? She is 14 and a GROUP of boys/men RAPED HER. At 14, many kids don't have the cause:effect knowledge. If this girl knew Yeng and trusted him, why should she suspect that she was going to be R A P E D?

To all the racist geniuses who ass-umed that gangs are only in the Black community, please re-read the article or google the listed name of the assailant.

Or click on the link provided by trust_verify.

"you people" get really incensed because several cases of injustices against African Americans garner national attention each year, don't you? Try going outside of your small world and realize you're not the only race, nor is any race perfect. They all have idiots and scumbags and you seem to like proving that point...

Ms. Sara M. and Ms. Cat

I have three daughters, all are in college and during their "teen" years I "kept tabs" on them, and the "gangsta wannabee's" in the area know that if they had hurt any of my daughters they had better have been praying that they made it to the police station before I found them, just "plain pure unadulterated non-PC let's make a law about this" train of thought and YES I WOULD HAVE GONE TO PRISON IN DEFENCE OF ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS HONOR.

See, here's the real problem that leads to complete misunderstanding and internet dumbing conclusions: people assume things without actually reading the complete facts....if you click on the link "The St. Paul Star Tribune" it shows the pictures of the suspects - WOW, not one of them has black skin! Here's a hint one suspect's name is Mang Yang - can you get it?

So for all of you who want to contribute to America's racial division continue with your jumping to conclusions that have no basis in fact. What a disapointment you are.

Nothing a scaffold and ten feet of new rope wouldn't cure!

Sadly before it's over the rapists will be the victims and the the blame placed on the real criminal "whitey" who as we all know is the underlying problem to all ills on planet earth.

And yes, I realize they're Asian

If found guilty they should have their penises removed. Won't be raping anyone ever again without a penis and they can spend the rest of their lives emptying a bag of urine several times a day. I think this should be the punishment for all rapists and pedophiles. Forget jail time, it doesn't work for these types of sickos.

I find it extremely interesting...and somewhat revolting....that so many of these comments assume the ethnicity of the criminal, place the "blame" on the child and mention politics. WOW! How about this...these "men" (and I use that term loosely) were as old as 37 and had to have encouraged the younger boys to participate instead of standing up and being a role model. This young girl, regardless of how she got into the situation was still raped...period. I do find it sad that she got into the situation but at 14, you are ALWAYS a moron, hell...you are pretty much a vegetable until 30 (with a few exceptions) but to blame the child for being a 14 year old moron only serves to show that some of us never quite grow out of morondom.

Does it really matter what race these people are?

The snide remarks about Al Sharpton have no place here, as they only serve to detract from the real issue:

A young girl was raped by gang members.

Nah, don't kill them. Neuter them, and then make sure their names, faces and new non-reproductive status are very well known. Let them live the rest of their lives being known as the Gang with No Balls.

Go one step further, take all of it and make them eunuchs!

and to Reality...."whitey"? Come on now....you may have instances to refer to but really? To insinuate that "whitey" is to blame for all the world's ills is a bit of a reach don't you think? Idi Amin...responsible for thousands of deaths....? I could go on and on about others but why? This has nothing to do with race...this has everything to do with being a psychopath ...and trust me, they come in all flavors.

The problem here isn't the gang bangers race. Asian, Mexican, black, aryan nation, or whatever, the only difference between them is skin pigment. They are all parasites. They are all dangerous to every honest person. Maybe gang banging should be made a federal crime like car jacking was a few years ago. These vermin should get to know the joys of a super-max prison. No parole, no freedoms what so ever, being treated exactly like what they are. And, of course, if they received a death penalty for their atrociities, no years of multiple appeals.

These dumbasses are Mongs

Same thing every day.

Sweet

It's just what I'm used to hearing and seeing on the news; example the recent senseless murder of a young black man by a Latin-American (Mexican) in Florida, who gets the blame......everyone and everything but the man who did the killing.

Let them live the rest of their lives being known as the Gang with No Balls.

Nah, Call them BBs (Balless Bunch).

Four male minors, ages 15 to 17, also are charged.

I hope to he!! these SOBs are tried as adults (although they didn't act as such).

The race of the gang members and one of the officials at the press conference makes it seem like this happened in Asia.

http://www.kare11.com/news/article/969198/391/9-men-charged-in-St-Paul-gang-rape?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Cbc%7Clarge

PinkMoore... "assinine?" You've been watching too much Blue Collar Comedy.

Regarding the story though, I think I would commit murder before gang raping a 14 year old girl... HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING

People make me sick, especially cowardly gang members.

These dumbasses are Moung from Cambodia brought into the Minnesota area years ago and have ravaged the region since day one.

This was part of our big USA thank you for helping the USA in Vietnam. Thus bringing these parasitic vermin to Minnesota. They are the number one ethnic group in the jail system.

Thanks again politicians.

It's always a sad story when you read about someone getting gang raped, or just being raped by another person. But one has to ask. What is a 14 year old girl doing at an abandoned house drinking and where are this girls parents? I do hope that justice prevails and the guilty thugs are sent to prison for such a heinous act on this young girl. BTW, race has absolutely nothing to do with rape...

Reality~ While I realize that there are instances, and trust me...that murder was just about as senseless as it gets....but to perpetuate the "whitey" factor only serves to widen the divide. Bad guys are just that and the color of their skin, national origin or religion have little to do with it. They are sick individuals and it truly has no pigmetation relation.

Harley, I am probably about the same age as you are. I was raped by a man I was on a date with while I was in college. NO woman, man, boy or girl ASKS to be raped or DESERVES to be raped. Period. If you can not understand that or understand why your original comment was offensive, then I am sorry. But maybe if I HIGHLIGHT the areas in your words you might understand:

"had she not been "looking" for a good time with these elements of society she would not have placed herself in such a compromising situation. Let this be a lesson to other girls that they might learn from this horrible incident so that they will not have this happen to them, and, let the parents of the world learn from this also to keep better tabs on the whereabouts of their children so they too will not be perpetrators/victims of these kind of crimes."

Yes, parents should be involved in the lives of their children. Yes, they should be aware of where they are going and who their children will be with. But NOBODY deserves or asks to be raped. Your words imply that you think that it was the victim's fault. Surely that is NOT what you mean?

OK...everyone has had their chance to be blogging Rambo and slam Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the South as a whole, the North as a whole and so on. The tragic thing is that this little girl was horrendously violated. 9 men? Are we so callous as a country that we can casually discuss this. Of course discussing is all we can do isn't it Markutk who hates the cowardly gang members, but is too much of a coward himself to deal with them by any other means than whining.

And to you dumb a$$es that refer to "wannabe" gangstas..if you were so in tune playa with the culture you would know that most of the time these are the most dangerous, but they are all garbage and deserve to be exterminated without the mercy of any other than God.

Yes, not only should they honestly be killed, they should be castrated first and dragged down the street naked so people can old school throw rock at them before being sent to the gas chamber. TO be honest, they should do that with ANY gang member.

NO MENTION OF RACE?

So they only mention race when someone who might be white is the one suspected of the crime?

Reminds me of Blagovich. They NEVER mention he is a Democrat.

But if he was a Republican, they would find a way to mention it.

People, the liberal media is playing you like a fiddle.

This is what happens when atheists try to indoctrinate their beliefs into children that there is no God. They feel no sense of morality whatsoever. Yes, it is possible they will grow up to be gangbangers.

Yes, you can also say that this kind of crime can happen with all religions, but less face it, most of the time it comes from people who haven't been to a church or temple or a mosque in years.

What was done to Travon Martin is considered a national tragedy but what these people do to their own kind will never make it to the national media level. I see and read of killings of black on blacks daily but that is OK with them compared to Travon Martin. Why is that? No one likes to speak of their own backyard and what filth they are responsible for. Stop the violence all together, that is the only way!

You cannot keep brushing this kind of violence, drugs, gang killing, within a group under the rug, and then expect to be taken seriously with a Travon Martin situation. Clean it all up. Then and only then, will your message be heard and taken seriously by all.

Once again the idiots are out and bring this into the political venue. Gangs have been around a lot longer than President Obama has been in office and they will continue to be until law enforcement is allowed to eradicate our society of them. Everyone of these pieces of scum should be executed in a painful manner once the guilty verdict is read. That is a major problem in our broken legal system, the average person spends 26 years on death row. Am I the only one who sees something wrong in spending $70 thousand a year to keep these people locked up only to know that they will be executed? True, there may be some cases where a potentially innocent person may be wrongfully executed but, something major needs to be done in our society to decrease the crime that exists. I have a 15 year old daughter and God help anyone who ever thinks about doing anything like this to her. Not only would it become my life's mission to eliminate him but, anyone associated with him/her. We've got a society where criminals have more rights than those who obey the rules society. It's time we do something to deter this behavior once and for all. Make prison a living hell! Have swift and commensurate justice (an eye for an eye), and provide only enough for criminals to survive. Bring back chain gangs to clean up our roads and to work for the benefit of society. There should be no free ride. I could go on and on, but those of you who feel the same way know what I'm talking about. This poor girl is scared physically and mentally for the rest of her life and these guys are probably sitting in jail laughing it up and bragging to each other about what they've done. I hope Bubba and Jethro have a blast with them.

I am wondering why the girls got into the car in the first place. Adolescence causes strange motivations. I am still with all of us who think the "book" should be used in the penalty assessment, to the full extent of the law.

these animals need to be Bobbitized then placed in general population of the State Pen for the pleasure of the rest of the convicts!

Race should not be a part of this discussion. They committed a serious crime, whatever their skin color, They deserve to be punished accordingly. I say castrate them and cut off their penis so they can't commit these crimes again. Make them sit down to go pee. That should stop this type of crime.

Street gangs are comprised of criminals and criminal wanabe's and considering their corrupting influence on the young, are a plague upon society. There should be some way, perhaps a law that would allow prosecution for being a member of a street gang. Society need not wait for them to commit criminal acts as being a member would in itself be a criminal act.

1. The difference between Treyvon Martin and this case is that the rapists WERE ARRESTED immediately. The wannabe cop is still free after a month. There was no due process. There was no evidence taken, and great pains were taken to conceal the 911 tapes. They drug-tested the dead kid, and not zimmerman. WTF? If that were your innocent child, gunned down 100 yards from your house, wouldn't you go to the biggest mouthpiece you could find to get someone to listen to you?

2. People the world over would roll their eyes and laugh at you for associating the President with gangs or "thugs". But hey, if that's what you have to believe...carry on. Logic and reality will continue to leave you alone to your tin hats.

Ryan in Texas 1.60

Local news identifies the charged adults as:

37-year-old Kong Meng Vang, 19-year-old Vang Tou Ger Vue, 18-year-old Vanchai Xoing, 23-year-old Mang Yang, and 22-year-old Mitchell Teng Yang.

They are an Asian street gang known as "TB 22" (True Blood 22). All the charged but one is currently in custody and the prosecutor is asking for the minors to be tried in adult court.

Al and Jessie will no doubt skip this one.

Gotta add something, here. Not that it matters, but in case you missed it, this gang was not black. They are Vietnamese. Not that it matters, they are still scum, but so many people here seem to be wanting to take it to a black/white thing. Why? Pure and simple, RABID POLITICS. Give it a rest.

And to everyone saying why such a big deal about Treyvon Martin, were you saying this about the years we spent being swept up in Natallee Holloway? Calee Anthony? Lacey Peterson? What is with the damn RACE all the time?

Al & Jessie are two of the biggest racists in America. They never get involved unless either the victim or perp is of their race. Then they always back their own. They would not be involved in this one even if the preps were not arrested

Calvin - We are pointing out that for some reason, MSN/MSLSD is not mentioning race on this crime. We have all just have dealt with the media reporting of the Martin case. You will note that race was one of the big media focuses in that case.

Yeldarb27 - You hit the nail on the head. You are never going to hear the media mention that blacks commit crimes at 3 times the non black rate. You are never going to hear the media ask why that is, when even adusting for poverty rates they still commit crimes at twice the average rate. You and I know that the real discussion needs to be about the breakdown of family and values.

But the media is too far to the left to do that. This is the world that the progressives have created.

And if we dare point that out, we are the "problem".

I bet that damn Zimmerman was involved in this somehow.

Its not Moung, its Hmong, and they should change Mang Yang's name to No Yang.

According to Jerry Rivers (aka nom d'media Geraldo Rivera) she was wearing a hoodie, so she deserved it. It really wasn't about rape, it was about outerwear. These nine men are upright communmity-oriented people trying to protect the world from 14-year-olds the same as Zimmerman.

hey thunder-

but any time these whores like sharpton and jessie can get airtme to stir up the race warfare card

seems to me you are the @!$%# stirring @!$%# up. jacksass.

Hmmmm, Zen. What grade are you in and are you at least in high school? I was going to go further but decided to leave it at that.

Newsvine needs to DISABLE the comments section on controversial stories such as this. Too many ignorant and *ssinine comments on here all beginning with Thunder.

@Rtypo......Are you really serious? Jeb Bush is no longer the governor of Florida. Do you keep up with current events or do you just wait for something like this to happen to display your ignorance. This story will be dead as soon as everyone on the left realizes Zimmerman is hispanic and has black relatives. With a name like Zimmerman the media just assumed he was white and probably jewish. Well thats what they get for assuming and jumping the gun. Like 99% of the rest of the people moaning and groaning about white on black violence. It did not happen!

Ken Johnson.......Yeah lets censor the internet! If you do not like it do not read it but do not volunteer away everyone elses right to post their opinions. Yeah a lot of them are ignorant and stupid but that what happens when you have a right to freedom of speech. You have to listen to the bad along with the good.

What was she DOING there? She was PICKED UP FROM HER SCHOOL and TAKEN there! The discussion says she tried to leave and was picked up and carried into the house for the express purpose of being held dowm by nine men and boys and GANG RAPED!. Read that again ... Picked up and CARRIED INTO the house, kicking and screaming and grabbing the doorway, doing everything she could to keep from being thrwon on a matress on the floor and held dowm by EIGHT men and boys while they TOOK TURNS RAPING HER. YUP ... Sure sounds to me like she was asking for it.

AND THEN some of you have the audacity to suggest that it was HER fault? GREAT ... BLAME the VICTIM ... after all ... She is FEMALE! All FEMALES are ASKING to be RAPED .... after all .... if they didnt want to be raped .... why else would they be female. That is the most PATHETIC excuse of a 'lesson' I've ever seen in print. "WELL ... all you girls out there .... learn from her mistake ... if you don't want to be gang raped .... don't be like this girl ..." You act like she had some choice about being carried into a bedroom in an abandoned house and thrown on the floor where eight men and boys held her down so a ninth could rape her.

Hey Harley ... did you drop your daughters at the school door and watch as they went in; pick them up as the exited the school door every day? REALLY? If you DID drop them off and pick them up, how did you find time to WORK? Maybe your wife dropped them off and picked them up? Or did they (like 80% of the children attending school) ride a school bus?

So BASICALLY, since blaming the victim didn't work for you ... so you decided to blame the parents. The mother ... who was waiting for her daughter to get off the school bus down the blook quite SURELY really expected her daughter to be taken to an abandoned house and gang raped, why else was she watching out the kitchen window while the kids got off the bus and only THEN realizing her daughter was not on it. She must have thought to herself ... "I"ll bet she just got into a friends car and was taken away to be gang raped! YES ... that is where she is!"

OR

Here is a novel idea! lets blame the NINE MEN AND BOYS WHO CARRIED HER FROM THE CAR INTO THE HOUSE WITH THE EXPRESS PURPOSE IN MIND OF HOLDING HER DOWN ON THE MATRESS ON THE FLOOR AND TAKING TURNS RAPING HER! How about that? BLAME the PURPETRATORS ... not the victim, not the parents, the nine men and boys who VISCIOUSLY SAVAGED A 14 YEAR OLD CHILD. How about that for a change? hmn? can we try blaming the RAPIST for once?

Really, execute criminals for non fatal assaults? Won't that encourage them to kill their victims so they can't testify?

What happened to this girl is a tragedy but, had she not been "looking" for a good time with these elements of society she would not have placed herself in such a compromising situation.

I have three daughters, all are in college and during their "teen" years I "kept tabs" on them, and the "gangsta wannabee's" in the area know that if they had hurt any of my daughters they had better have been praying that they made it to the police station before I found them

Would you have done the same if your daughters had "gone looking for a good time" with those "gangta wannabes?" After all, by your logic, it would have been their fault if they got hurt.

Ken, the solution to bad speech isn't no speech. And just because you dislike someone's comment doesn't mean everyone agrees, or even if they do that you all are right. So how about we check our censorship tendencies and let the speech, good, bad, and in between, fly?

Sara and Cat, I don't think the point is that this victim wanted to be raped. I sure as heck hope that isn't the case with any person, 14 or not. I think his point was that she was running with a bad crowd, and bad things tend to happen when you run with a bad crowd. It in no way means she deserved it, let alone wanted it, but he was spot on to say that this should be a lesson to other young girls and women. In what weird universe should it not be informative to all young people?

For my part I think that a woman should be able to dress how she wants, act how she wants, and that there should be no threat of sexual assault at all. But this isn't reality. Just as you can't expect your belongings to be safe unless you take care to protect them, you can't expect your body to be safe unless you take care to protect it. The world, sadly, isn't perfect. And since it never will be I hope that every young woman or girl rejects your idea that this need not be a lesson to them, and that they instead take care to protect themselves.

Unhappy, give me a break. Not only completely off topic, but also outright wrong. I work in low income education, I don't have a single student, NOT ONE, that has not been raised in a church. Granted, the majority of them have never even read the bible (I have multiple times) and just take what their pastors tell them as absolute truth, and don't really understand their own beliefs, but ALL OF THEM have been raised in "faith". Atheism and agnosticism are not what's driving the gang epidemic. Sorry, but I don't need god to care about my fellow human beings or to do the right thing.

Marty...

Better back off, you know that the lawyers, liberals and progressives all think that all criminals have rights beyond those of the victims, even when caught red handed. <end sarcasm>

One of the real problems here is the existence of gangs. At one time many law enforcement agencies had pretty active anti-gang units and they were actually making some progress. But it almost appears that either related to cost cut backs or Homeland Security issues, the efforts may have been shifted.

Arguably, many of these gangs are domestic terrorists. The difference being only that they are threats to the citizens and not really threats to the government. If we looked at gangs like we looked at the terrorists that Homeland Security focuses on, I think some real progress might be made.

Once any group or organization, formal or informal, can be linked with crimes, seems to me that they deserve special attention by law enforcement. If a crime can be linked to gang activity, additional charges and potentially more severe punishment should apply. Not unlike how other crime related circumstances may incur additional charges and penalties. Even in the case of juveniles, some aspects of this could apply. Maybe if gang related, the charges might be prosecuted as an adult or things like mandatory house arrest vs. just some lame probation. Put a bracelet on them. Violate the terms of that and be bumped up to an adult prosecution. To some extent, parents need to face some charges too. If their kids commit crimes, the parents have some responsibility, just like they would if their dog bit someone. If a kid gets charged as a juvenile, parents get a related charge too. Maybe they can waive the juvenille status for their kid and get the parent charges dropped. Might make for an interesting dynamic.

The thing is that gangs have become an "accepted" part of society. That needs to change, but it might cost us some money to do it. We need to get creative to solve this problem. It is in many cases associated with poverty too and we're not addressing that either. I think that even things like substantial rewards for information leading to gang related criminal prosecution might also help communities control the situation. Who knows, these guys might start turning each other in too. Community watch groups could become about getting funding for community projects instead of citizens playing policeman. In the long run, this could even turn out to be cost effective. Provide info that shuts down a local gang, get rewarded, and policing costs go down, use that money for a park or community center, or organized activites for youth and maybe you reduce the likelihood they end up in a gang.

No doubt there needs to be appropriate punishment for crimes like this, but we'd be better off preventing the crimes in the first place. It is hard to put a worth on preventing a crime that then doesn't happen, but we need to recognize that prevention can be the cheaper route to take and it eliminates victims which in itself has to have some intrinsic value. We spend a lot of money prosecuting criminals and keeping them locked up. It has to be cheaper to prevent the crime in the first place. If we are serious about stopping things like this, we need to be serious about paying for some results. If we approached this as an economic problem, we might find out some interesting things too. But a lot of people don't want to spend any money as long as it's someone else that's the victims.

Sara and Cat, I don't think the point is that this victim wanted to be raped. I sure as heck hope that isn't the case with any person, 14 or not. I think his point was that she was running with a bad crowd, and bad things tend to happen when you run with a bad crowd. It in no way means she deserved it, let alone wanted it, but he was spot on to say that this should be a lesson to other young girls and women. In what weird universe should it not be informative to all young people?

Mr. Rich;

Thank you.

Generally, if you want to survive in certain areas, you have to join a gang. The little gangstas are really good at seriously harming non-gang members. Then, you have a culture that coddles juvenile criminals who are old enough to know the difference between right and wrong and at the same time actively promotes the 'gangsta' lifestyle on television, movies and music venues. The young see this and proceed to emulate it and are manipulated by the media. advertisers and, of course, the gang members themselves.

Then they go to prison to complete their education in being thugs and after they are released from their school, they are turned loose on society at large and the process repeats itself over and over and over...

Reminds me of the movie "Gran Torino" starring Clint Eastwood. It is what they do.... scum.

Once you ID gang members in your area, white or any other color, it should be your duty to kill them.

Criminals should be looked at as enemy soldiers. Shoot to kill.

The world would be a better place. See a mugger, shoot,stab or run him over. See a gang damaging something? Same thing.

Yang and three of the other adults charged made their initial court appearances Friday and were appointed public defenders.

And now we have to PAY TO DEFEND this scum....something's very wrong with all that.

I kind of lean towards Harley. It is in no way shape or form the fault of the victim. But girls come on, leave those thugs alone. It took me 30+ years (and I still have some learning to do about men) to understand that some men (or people for that matter) are out to do you harm. If a person can rob, kill, terrorize a group of people on a daily basis, what makes you think he would treat you any different. We love the bad boys when we are young because they are exciting and "misunderstood". I use to date a drug dealer (who was in college I dare to say) who one time without me knowing took me on a run. If the police had caught us I would have been locked up with him. And who would have been to blame. Him, my parents, my teachers? ME. Because I knowingly dealt with a guy who did that. He didn't care about my well being. I wasn't a participant, but I stayed knowing what he was into. I am glad he stopped. But I think back at how my college career and livelihood now could have been different. Because I was attracted to the badboy.

Harley Mike

Ms. Sara M. and Ms. Cat

I have three daughters, all are in college and during their "teen" years I "kept tabs" on them, and the "gangsta wannabee's" in the area know that if they had hurt any of my daughters they had better have been praying that they made it to the police station before I found them, just "plain pure unadulterated non-PC let's make a law about this" train of thought and YES I WOULD HAVE GONE TO PRISON IN DEFENCE OF ONE OF MY DAUGHTERS HONOR.

Funny, you would say that you go to prison to defend your daughters' honor, but do not say that you would go to jail to defend them. Sounds like you are more concerned with honor than their physical well being. I have two daughters, and I would blow anyone's brains on the wall for harming my daughters.

Its amazing people like "Ryan from Texas" claim that black have two and three times the crime rate. I find that interesting when whites make up over 70% of the arrest in this country and have every years since the 1970's. You all should research crime stats by race, ( not from Stromfront) but from the government, and no stats haven't changed because Obama is in the whitehouse.

They should be in jail for the best part of their life.Part of their sentence should be they are chemically castrated.The Justice dept. needs to look into making all forms of gangs illegal.If it can be proven that they partisipated in any gang activity,even if its flashing gang signs.They automatically given a life sentence,and no gang is excempt.Be it ms13,bloods,crips,angels,arian nation what ever.Its time we take back our neighborhoods,streets and schools.Lets make this country again a place where people want to come and have a chance at a better life.People should not be afraid to come out of their house.

Um, Ken, it would be interesting to see where you get your numbers. I checked Wickipedia just now and in 2009 the gang member racial breakdown in the US worked out to:

49% latino. 35% black, 9% white and 7% 'other'

An interesting addendum was that 72% of the latinos (Hispanics) in prison were in this country illegally.

Good thing you're not in charge, Mary. We don't need irrational people making life and death decisions for others.

Mr. RADDAVE;

You obviously are under 40, as I am a generation removed from that and I don't know how to "write" in today's language. I was stating that if my daughters are harmed by anybody including their present boyfriends, they know they cannot run or hide where I will not find them (part of my training from uncle sam) and inevitably end their miserable existence. I come from a generation where we said "yes sir" and "no sir". Where we respected authority, and received that which we gave. Yes I am a dinosaur in that sense but where I walk in my town I am respected but because of my politics and the fact I am not "PC" I am not well liked, which does not hurt my feelings.

And yes, my heros are John Wayne and Charlton Heston.

Ms. Gingersnaps;

Thank you.

I blame the goverment. Anytime you ALLOW different creeds to come into our country and don't even REQUIRE them to speak the national lauguage (ENGLISH), to me your basically telling them anything that's okay in your country is okay here. Does our goverment care? Not one bit. To me, if you don't RESPECT AMERICA and AMERICANS enough to learn ENGLISH, keep your free-loading @$$ where it is.

No offense but why was this girl hanging out with a 24 year old and going to a party with him? Not blaming the victim, but what parent lets his/her kid go out and party with older people? Two, why do you feel Al Sharpton need to be there when this gang may be Asian from the name of the person who bought the girl to a party? Three why do folks always state they need to go back where you came from if the person is not white? When are some folks going to realize that yes, there are natural born chinese, hispanic, etc. So please quit that go back from where you came from crap and read a history book. Lots of chinese immigranted way back in the day to California in the old west days. If anything, a lotta white folks immigrated too? When a white person commits a crime, do you hear people saying go back to where you came from? If a person accused of being in the mob is Italian, do we say go back to Italy? You get the picture.

I wish people would knock off the Black/White and imigration thing. It doesn’t matter where their from or what color these animals are they all deserve to be executed. Rapists, Child molesters, Home invaders and all the violent scum bags that prey on society deserve one punishment….. DEATH !!!!

MyGirl1~ Because we all know that Wikipedia is such a reliable source....smh

To the people who are either blaming the victim or her parents: When I was 14 years old, my parents had little control over me. I am very fortunate that I never got gang-raped due to my lifestyle choices. I began using drugs at a very young age; I have one year clean tomorrow after a 16-year bender. I am in no way saying that this girl is an addict. She wanted to party, like a lot of 14 year old girls &&& boys often do. She got mixed up with the wrong crowd, like a lot of 14 year old girls & boys often do. I did. I was just very lucky I did not get mixed up with sociopathic gang-rapers. A 14 year old might not always be able to differentiate between a sociopath or a regular partier. What happened to this girl is so sad, it breaks my heart. This is not her fault; this quite possibly isn't her parents fault (I don't know about her parents, but I have wonderful parents who tried their very best, hold master's degrees, weren't workaholics, weren't addicts, my father was retired & my mother only worked part time; they were very attentive & loving but it was ME who rebelled & wound up in full-blown addiction).

I am most certain this young girl did not ask to be gang-raped, nor did her parents wish this upon her. Stop blaming this child. 14 year old kids don't always have the best judgment of character. It is pitiful to blame her & reminds me there are very sick people in the world. Why, when something like this happens there are those who wish to metaphorically rape the victim by blaming her? Those placing blame on the victim are NO better than the rapists.

Funny how most of you don't read through the whole thread before you post, and just repeat the same debate over and over. Someone posted the mug shots of these candy a$$es at the very top. They are ASIAN. And none of the names listed under their pics make it sound like they are from here.

Children don't have the same view of consequences as other adults. Kids at that age are more afraid of fitting in with their peers than gang rape. Some have no concept of what rape is.

That's what parents are for. We live in a country where 1 in 4 women report being abused by people they know and 1 in 3 of those is sexually. And yet many parents are oblivious to the lurking dangers in their own neighborhood and even their own household.

If you haven't told your daughters about the dangers of rape, tell them today and consider yourself lucky if nothing has happened yet.

Thunder...you're a real piece of work. Yeah, let's have the serial sexual harasser Herman Cain be an example to our kids. Right. Please list the "scum rappers that visit the White House" would you? No...because you can't? Do us all a favor and take your uninformed right wing drivel over to Faux News...you'll feel right at home there.

Mary Jones-1616541: So what? I don't care for what reason she was there. It can never justify a gang rape.

thunder:

Clarence Thomas and Herman Cain are hardly role models and do not deserve to be in the same sentence with Cosby or Rice!

I said nothing about Thomas. He said, she said, in his case. Who knows which person is lying...not me.

But Cain...he said, she said...and she said, and she said, and she said. Sorry, the fact that he "pulled himself up out of poverty...etc" doesn't excuse the fact that he was accused by 4 women, two of them REPUBLICANS, of gross sexual harassment. If that's your idea of a role model, you need help.

And moron...I'm a 53 year old white guy sitting at my desk in my home office, not a banger with my pants around my ankles and a hoodie on. Grow up.

Mary, it doesn't matter why she was there. She was only 14, for heaven's sake!

Because she was foolish and 14-years-old.

Think back to when you were that age.

Pattern-excuse me,but WTF kind of statement is that?She was dressed like a whore-she got treated like a whore?

It's like saying Trayvon Martin was killed because he was wearing a hoodie.

yank--

Mary, it doesn't matter why she was there. She was only 14, for heaven's sake!

LOL You're logic escapes me.

The fact she is "only 14," makes it matter VERY MUCH why she was there.

And are you saying it would have been okay for her to be raped if she was over 21?

In this society, 14 year-old girls are shaving their pubes. If you care about kids enough to comment, you ought to get to know something about the world they really live in. Kids in this society are nothing but fresh meat, and they know it.

Sound a little rough to you? Well, it's not kids who produce, air, and buy advertising on Toddlers & Tiaras, is it? My parent's generation would have stormed the facility and dragged the producers into the street. It's a SICK society that eats its own.

WTF kind of statement is that?She was dressed like a whore-she got treated like a whore?

It's the REAL WORLD kind of statement, fish.

See, if you sexualize children, they tend to get used as sex objects.

Stop allowing your little girls to look and behave like hookers.

Drive by any middle school when school lets out and take a look. Too up close and personal? No problem. Google a fashion site for teenage girls. Too lazy? No problem. Flip your channel to MTV. Surely you can do that much before you crucify me for wanting little girls to look, act, and be treated like something more precious than a $10 rubber vagina.

"But I don't see why the girl went there in the first place with gang members."

So now it's her fault?

patter123

You need some psychiatric treatment. You know nothing about this kid or her parents.

Gangbangers should all be eradicated just for being a gang member. Even if it's their first day and have done nothing yet. Admit to being a gangbanger you need to be removed from the planet, your'e a scourge to society. On the other hand I find it hard to have sympathy for the girl. She's 14, old enough to know who she was dealing with and chose to go with them. What did she think was going to happen? Sip colas & talk about school?

patter123:

Well done blaming the victim and the parents while you don't have anything to support your claims that they neglected her. They might as well be the best parents in the world. She may have told her parents she was at her best friend's house, who knows, so they may have had reason to belief she was fine. Kids will think of anything.

Also, this just happens to be at a party. This could also have happened on the way home from school. But of course you would have blamed her for dressing like a "whore" again. The story says she was dragged from the car back into the house and that she was screaming for help.

15-year-old Sierra LaMar from California went missing earlier this month while walking from her home to her school bus stop, apparently kidnapped it seems. Was it her fault too? Or her parents? Or was it whoever kidnapped her? You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

Fourteen is old enough to know something. Problem these days, kids do not listen to parents.

Now hang the guys.

That was just a character assasingation by you socialist lib MOOCHER democrat party that worked to get him out of the race because you libs fear him!

LOL, it was Republicans that exposed Herman Cain because they didn't want a black man leading their party no matter how Stupid and Republican he sounded.

Isn't this terrorism? Why aren't these gangs tried as terrorists? They seem the do the same things terrorists do, its anti American. They should be treated just like the terrorists that they are. Where is homeland security?

We should stop makeing scum like these rappers that visit the white house the idols of our children

It's up to you as a parent to be a role model for your children. If you're not capable of being their role model, or not able to teach them who is or is not an acceptable role model, that's your problem, and your failure.

I've read the comments and trying to figure out why THUNDER and a few others twist this rape issue into a political issue. I then remembered that the right always avoid the real issue by diverting the talking point towards bad mouthing Obama. The reason they do this is because they don't have a solution for the real issue so the divert the American people by blaming Obama and the liberal media. The corporate puppets on the right and faux news have shown by polls and facts, that they lie and manipulate the truth to put the blame on the Dems. Fact also have shown that those who watch faux news only are the most ill informed section of the American people. So those of you who don't want to hear the truth and be ignorant of the facts then continue listening faux news or should I say keep watching dumb and dumber.

Wanker

Did you just use this as an opportunity to make a political statement?

Sounds like Winker just countered the @!$%# out of the ridiculous claims by Thunder and the others. Your COH violation demonstrates that his rational logic really got under your skin though. So sorry for your loss.

Thunder, you're an idiot. Patter, WTF? And also how did this become political? This is an asian (Hmong) gang. A 14 year old does not have the intellectual capacity to assume something as horrific as this is a possibility. We do not have enough information to blame the parents. As the father of a 13 year old daughter, I can't imagine this happening to my own. But can we please 1) stop balming the victim; 2) leave the politics out of it & 3) try to be a little more compassionate to others. I can not imagine how that girls parent(s?) feel now. It's easy to have the answers when sitting at your laptop. It gets a lot tougher out in the real world.

Good post, gman61

winker-I suppose you get your facts and figures from George Soros and Media Matters. Seems to me you called out someone else so you could make your own political statements. Monkey see-monkey do. As for patter and thunder, I agree. They are idiots.

Hey Paul 2539****, are you really that stupid or do you always make up your own facts, I saw no mention of political affiliation in this article but I guess you conservative knot heads have to make up stuff because if people actually knew the true facts about your right wing politics, conservative Republicans wouldn't get any votes except from the privileged and wealthy that they represent.

These dumbasses are Moung from Cambodia brought into the Minnesota area years ago and have ravaged the region since day one.

This was part of our big USA thank you for helping the USA in Vietnam. Thus bringing these parasitic vermin to Minnesota. They are the number one ethnic group in the jail system.

Thanks again politicians.

The assumptions and blame here are ridiculous. I remember being 14, and I remember a friend of mine. Her dad was a vice principal, her mom was a cop and I can guarantee you they were some of the strictest parents you could imagine. Guess what? The kid STILL managed to go to parties without their knowledge. At 14 she had seen enough tv and read enough that she mistakenly believed that she "understood" how things worked. Truth is, she was just a dumb kid like the rest of us at that age who didn't have a clue but who thought she could handle herself. She was lucky and got through those years relatively unscathed, but I cannot possibly imagine actually blaming her if something like this had happened. Kids screw up, they make mistakes, and they DON'T understand the world we live in, and no matter how much parents watch their children, there will always be times when they are out of our sight. Let's focus on the people who really have the issues here and have done the wrong things - the boys and men who thought it was ok to rape a child.

Yeah, just keep sticking your heads in the sand and pretending bad parenting and the societal sexualization of children didn't have anything to do with a 14 year old girl attending a gang party and then getting gang raped.

Call it blaming the victim instead of calling it what it is--an indictment of the kind of society that sexualizes children and the kind of parent whose little girl is attending a gang party.

The people who collapsed my comment are the people who support children in thongs and girls gone wild. I hope you're proud of yourself and the pedophile society you've created.

Wow, patter! So I don't have to control myself if women and young girls dress "slutty?" I am apparently teaching my 16 year old son the wrong message of respecting women and no means no. Hoo-ha open season on slutty women.

Burqas for all women! THAT will solve the problem.

Ryan in Texas:

I was raised in Texas; my Dad had a gun cabinet full of rifles; and I could probably still nick a dime in the air. So I am not who you think I am. But the Treyvon Martin case DId have something to do with race, based on the shooter's 40-50+ 911 calls always reporting suspicious "black kids" seen wandering around the neighborhood. Even though the one guy they actually caught stealing something in there was a young white kid. Zimmerman was a wannabe law enforcement hero. And he was seemingly obsessed with young black bogeymen.

The reason they are making this racial is that in that area, MANY things have gone unpunished when a black person is shot by a non-black person. And the fact that the police refused to even give the appearance of investigating reminds people of the south in the 30s-60s, when no no justice could be had for love or money. That part of Florida is still very much the deep south. No offence to deep southern people in general, but, come on. You all kow people who still thing interracial marriage is perverted, etc. Too deep to go into.

No evidence for this, but much of the petty crime that was reported in that gated community...i.e. stolen bbq pits...a window opened...was reported by Zimmerman. Why he wasn't on someone's radar is beyond me.

when the established norm is for women and girls to dress and behave provocatively, it undermines the message. It is RIDICULOUS to demand that males control themselves when females and society do everything in their power to encourage males to act on their impulses

So if you were showering at the gym and were raped by a gay man, it would be your fault for encouraging him to act on his impulses? Well, OK then. So long as we're clear where the blame lies....

Damn flbikerchick, now I'm scared to go to the gym. Thanks a lot, because it obviously would be my fault, walking around naked in the shower just asking for it.

Patter123 - not to worry, I understand what you are saying and agree with your premise.

We have become a society where it has become the norm for parents to let kids do their own thing with very little oversight from anyone.

While many fools have commented implying that you are blaming the girl we both know that it is a societal thing and that their will always be those that think the law doesn't apply to them. Just as their will always be a number of victims that thought bad things couldn't happen to them based on their actions.

Convict the nine and hope that the girl can move forward.

The girl used poor judgement getting into the car with the guy to go to a party. But the same thing happens at "white" frat houses as well. Unfortunately, many underage girls find themselves in bad situations like this after making poor choices and being lured by men into parties and basically fed alcohol and drugs till they're too intoxicated to know what's going on. This girl's parents may not have even known where she was was. For all you know she lied to her parents.

I had a couple of teen neighbor girls wind up in a similar party situation after going to a party that ended up being only guys who peer pressured them into drinking. Fortunately no rape occurred but they were grounded when they came home drunk. They complained to me how unfair it was and I explained the type of situation they were in could have ended up a lot worse than being grounded when young men in groups start feeding liquor to underage girls. They really took it to heart and realized what kind of danger they were in.

Every parent of a teen girl should have her read about this story so they don't wind up like this. Its a lot more common than you realize, in both urban and suburban areas. Most of the time it doesn't make headlines and especially in the suburbs the guys don't even end up in prison because their parents can afford an expensive lawyer.

Oh and "patter" remind me NEVER to let my children around you. You scare the bejeesus out of me suggesting that any man is led around by nothing more than his penis and will rape at will as soon as anything suggestive is in his sight. You are disrespectful to both men and women. All the men I associate with can control their urges without raping, even if they see provocative dress or behavior.

Everybody keeps pointing out how the girl was just 14 and everyone @ that age makes dumb mistakes. True enough. They also blame parents for not knowing where the kid was @ the time. Wrong. I was 14 once & I lied to my parents to go to parties they would not have allowed me to attend. The difference is I went to parties where I'd expect to see friends or classmates I may or may not even know. This dumb 14 year old went off with a known gangsta and got what really is no surprise. I do feel bad for her as this shouldn't happen to anybody. But as posted earlier she learned the hard way. She played with fire & got burned. I wonder if she thinks it's cool to hang with gangsters now?

I'd like to know who the parents of these guys are. In addition to whatever punishment the courts give the guys, I think their parents should be made to apologize to the girl for doing such a bad job in raising their sons that they thought raping her was an ok thing to do. These guys are sociopaths. The one that is 37 years old should get life.

Until it becomes inconvenient, difficult or whatever to be a gang member, this is the garbage that we can expect from gangs. The time to stop it was years ago, but it is not too late.

All you people blaming the girl, get over yourselves. She is not innocent, but she did not deserve to be gang raped, either.

I remember, as a young kid, way back when, the penalty for kidnapping, rape, and murder was death. You were convicted of the crime, there was no time, within six months you were executed. Society, as a whole, around the world, has changed, and the world is a much more dangerous place for it. We have become a society of permissivness, and looking the other way, all to not offend anyone.

It is we, as RESPONSIBLE adults, to prevent this kind of atrocity from happening. And the first step might just be to bring back responsible parenting, a responsible judicial system, and ensure the law protects the victims, as much, if not more than, the perpetrator.

Stop making excuses for this type of action, it just does not wash. If these people are found guilty, they MUST be punished to the maximum, and if the "juveniles" are treated as juveniles, then their parents must be held responsible for the actions of their children. And for crying out loud, quit trying to lay the blame for this crime on the girl.

pater, yes, thank you for stating that you are responsible for your own choices. I too am sick and tired of folks blaming society or tv, music, games, movies, etc. when it is the job of the parents who chose to have children they should raise and nuture these children. Yes, i have a problem with this girl hanging out with a 24 yo and going to a party with him. This was not a family get together. Today, I have noticed that too many parents don't care where their children are and when something happens they are quick to pop up tv and say he/she was such a good child etc. and the talking heads blame everyone but the lack of parental control/discipline. I am not saying I was an angel, but if I wanted to go to a party, I asked my mother and she asked who was going to be there, followed up by a phone call to a parent who had to be at the house with the party and she asked if there would be drinking. That is what a concerned parent does. I for one am sick and tired of people who want to use the idea that 14 (or whatever age of the victim's) brain isn't fully developed. Uh sorry, but at age 14 the child/preteen/teen should know the difference between right and wrong and what could possible happen. She should have know better. If this person was a relative, he should have known not to bring her to a party like this, if this is the norm. So in a sense, she should have known better and that it's not okay to hang out with folks like this guy who is her friend. So if the parents haven't taught her by now, I think she knows. However, I am not excusing the criminal. The thing is, don't set yourself up for anything you can't handle. This is why I don't feel sorry for Natalie Holloway. She should have known that you don't leave with a person you don't know and why didn't your friends stop you from leaving? No offense, but I have found that sometimes white girls throw caution to the wind and get into situations they shouldn't because they don't believe in the buddy system (I came here with my girlfriends and I'm leaving with them). Please note, I am not saying be paranoid, but if you sense something is not right, don't go or leave.

There are different sources of motivation. Fear of severe punishment is definately one source and is effective in many circumstances to be sure. However, a broader, more effective, and surely more permanent source of motivation is that which comes from positive sources. The post-modern, secularist society that supports different "truths" as any individual may see fit encourages a moral and ethical system that has no grounding in fixed truth. "Do your own thing," and "If it feels good, do it," are examples of this self-centerdness from a previous generation. You cannot maintain a healthy society on a foundation of narcissism. You can't hire enough cops, open enough courts, or build enough prisons to force citizens to do what they are disinclined to do. It is the same with a child--you can't watch them every minute so you must equip them with the judgment and desire to do the right thing.

take pictures of all of them and mail them to a couple of the prisoners inside labeled rapist/pedophile and see how long they last. last time i checked, inmates hate rapists and especially hate pedophiles. then again they have TV and this will be plastered all over the news with pictures. hope justice is swift!

re: The Us Public, just because you are called an idiot doesn't make you one--altho' your actions and statements might make it so. Likewise calling someone a terrorist, such as these low lifes or the Obamanation, doesn't make them one either. "Terrorist" as used is a legal status which cannot be assumed if you intend on prosecuting on that allegation. No matter how much terror the victim may have endured, these sewer rats do not meet the threshold test.

On the side of the Constitution and the American way of life, the right to assemble is limited--for political purposes and perhaps for religious worship. Assembly to commit crime, as is the mainstay of street gangs, is not a protected action and maybe a crime in and of itself depending on the jurisdiction. DAs have the tools, its the kahunas and ability they lack, to arrest all gangs tomorrow. But doing so isn't politically expedient: that means there are no judgeships for doing that. Besides, brilliant attorneys as a rule don't join prosecutor offices. So that just isn't going to happen. Hire Smith & Wesson to protect yourself.

In this case, after the alleged assailants are sentenced to free room, clothing, medical services, education and board on the taxpayers at the state's Stillwater motel, Minnesota exists in the dark ages and has no death penalty, these lads need to be prosecuted by the US Attorney for federal violations. And, then, since criminal and civil law co-exist, a huge civil award should be a slam dunk if there are any enlightened plaintiff attorneys remaining around Ramsey County.

why is thunder talking about rappers and cosby and other black celebs. These kids were asian.

Jay, maybe he hasn't figured out that the gangbangers may be asian, which is strange because most folks are quick to think that only blacks are in gangs.

Marty-3578909 - comment #1.9

Forget the Public Defender for these pieces of pond scum. How about a couple of neutering shot-gun blasts when they are 'allowed' to escape from jail? At least they'll be out of the gene pool and not costing the taxpayers too much. Some individuals cannot be rehabilitated/educated to ever lead useful productive lives, and that's where Darwin should kick in. Maybe we should gift them to the Taliban?

If that were my daughter I know for a fact I'd have no hesitation what so ever to go on a rampage and torture the @!$%#s to death. I think it becomes a complete different situation when you find yourself actually related with the victim than to just be reading about the story from afar. Think about it for a second, if that girl was your daughter, sister, or cousin.. would you be more interested in the clothes she was wearing, the people who she was with, or where the parents were at the time of the rape?? Hell NO! 14 year old girls shouldn't be getting raped FIRST OF ALL and who in their right mind would ever justify doing this to a child? It's not about whether she asked for it or what on earth she was thinking going with some complete strangers.. This just shouldn't be happening at all, that girl doesn't deserve all the psychological effects that will now haunt her years from now. How can anyone possibly have hope in humanity if this happened to them or someone you care about.

Like I said before, this type of situation is not that uncommon today. Maybe not this extreme but every day girls and women are raped while intoxicated. The funny thing is that everyone jumping on the band wagon to blame society that allows teens and women to dress in a way to encourage sexuality. And I totally agree that sexualizing young girls is wrong.

But no one seems to jump on the societal problem that doesn't severely punish men for violating women no matter what the circumstances are. As soon as a woman experiences a sexual assault, people all over immediately start with blaming the victim or saying she's lying. If she was drinking its even worse. Even the courts won't usually get a conviction on a rape if the woman was intoxicated. So basically were sending the message to young men all over the country that its ok to sexually violate females if they drunk. This is why you have men trying to push girls at parties to drink or do drugs. They know they can get away with it. And many times parents, coaches, schools, military, etc will allow this behavior to continue by sweeping it under the rug or encouraging the "blame the victim" mentality to avoid prosecution or embarrassment.

In my opinion men that violate an underage girl that is drunk should not only be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law but should also be charged with violating someone who is impaired and supplying them with alcohol or drugs. Until we make it very clear to young men that this behavior is unacceptable no matter what the circumstances this will continue.

jos-3790481

This is what the black culture is turning our country into gotta love it.

jos if this is true, explain why white parents keep losing their children who are later found murdered, why a white guy tried to bring 4 loaded guns onto a plane today, and why a white guy killed 17 people in Afghanistan. Is this what black culture has done to this country? Why are you blaming black folks for what everybody and anybody is doing? Are you saying that all the murders that white folks, hispanic folks, asians etc. are all due to black culture? Are you saying black culture is responsible for the acts during slavery, the civil war, ww1 & 2 in this country? That is the stupidist @!$%# I have ever heard in my life. The guys are not, I repeat not black, they are all Asians. So are you saying blacks are creating Asian gangs? Why don't you look at what is going on in Japan? I think they are known as the yakuza.

This is what the black culture is turning our country into gotta love it

Ahhhhhh Racism, gotta love it. Ever heard of jazz? probably not.

This comment was posted earlier but ended up getting "collapsed" by the community of those who don't like opinions that differ with theirs. Here we go again!

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Big tough guys, huh? As long as they are all together and able to gang up on and hold down a big, powerful 14 year old girl.

Like cockroaches suddenly exposed to light, they scattered the moment someone yelled "police"; they knew - the second they began having their "fun" - exactly how twisted, perverted and despicable what they were doing was and as such should be accorded just as much "understanding" as they accorded their victim - none.

It truly is a shame you can't execute scum like this; castrate them or do something equally final to them so that they can get a feel for what it felt like to be helpless, victimized with people watching you scream and struggle as the low lifes "had their way" with this girl. It might not undue the horror they wrought, but it would (especially if you executed them) certainly make the world a better place immediately thereby.

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#1.24 - Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:21 AM EDT

Thunder...yeah it's always a "lib loophole" right? Like the loophole that murderer in Florida used to kill the 17 year old, eh? Oh wait...that was a Republican loophole. Idiot.

Mark,,,excuse me but I don't know about that one. Sorry.

You must be kidding. The name Trayvon Martin means nothing to you? What rock did you just crawl out from under?

Mark,,,I thought you were talking about a rape, so sorry! I will answer though! This is still under investigation, and if this guy is guilty of murder of that young treasure, then he should face the penalty! I just get sick of this double standard on the left that demands justice now by these so-called leaders but are completely absent when it is not fit into their own ideas!

Hmmm...I write murderer and and you think rape. I see a pattern here...you write without any thought or facts going into it. Just spout right wing nonsense, and it's all good. Got it.

Mark and Thunder - Your bickering is getting boring. Why don't you two just get a room?

Hmmm...I write murderer and and you think rape. I see a pattern here...you write without any thought or facts going into it. Just spout right wing nonsense, and it's all good. Got it.

Yea seriously, sounds like he is hearing voices because I don't see a single Liberal calling for anything but the punishment of these criminals. But by all means, please name this Liberal Loophole that you so much fear, Thunder. This should be Good.

Hear! Hear!

Out the perps in long term prison whereby they must clean the bathrooms and toilet---LET THEM REAP WHAT THEY SOWED!

And to Yang, you words indicate that they are not truthful---you play and now you will pay!

how will the people in the anti abortion right wing .. judge this child if she becomes pregnant and wants an abortion

@independent jim

how will the people in the anti abortion right wing .. judge this child if she becomes pregnant and wants an abortion

That's one of the crazy things religion can justify. The "pro-life" people I know tend to argue their way by saying that the fetus has the same right to life as the mother (regardless of how old she is or how she got pregnant), that abortion is murder, and therefore a sin which may lead to the girl losing her place in heaven after death. Depending on the Christian denomination, they may believe that she will go to hell for eternity, or that she will simply not come back to life when Jesus returns - which of course trumps any "earthly" psychological or material benefits that the raped teen may derive from aborting. Some of them would judge the teen in the same way they judge a murder, others would try to sway her out of compassion for her since they don't want her to suffer an eternity in hell.

Since they strongly believe in this, and it would be "arrogant" for anyone to think that God made the wrong call on this one or that their pastor or themselves didn't interpret the Bible correctly, then the only "moral" thing for her to do is to endure the pregnancy. I honestly can't pass judgement on them for this, since I would probably agree with them if I actually believed in a God like that. They mean well, they just happen to have one very crazy belief which cannot be dispelled by any amount of rational debate.

Only a life sentence? Why should we pay to feed them out of our tax money? That's money you could use to feed your family instead... Don't spend all that money on food to keep them alive when a 20 cent bullet is so much cheaper.

If they are not charged with a hate crime, then this is the perfect reason to $hitcan that law!

thunder:

try posting at the fox tabloid news website where bumper sticker thinking is better understood

Individual...you're barking up the wrong tree when you use the word "thinking" in relation to Thunder.

mark:

I understand your point.

Interesting how some people are so obvious in their envy and fear. They fool only themselves by blowing out the candles of others to prove who they are. An occasional push back at least lets youth who may read their words know that there are better, healthier ways to live a life. Violence only attracts violence.

Witty guys!! I think you two have only 2 braincells between you,,,,and they are fighting each other!

Mark if the Florida law is applied properly by this ignorant sheriff this killer should be charged and convicted. It gives a person the right to stand his ground if attacked not persure and confront someone who looks suspicious. He was told to stay in his car by the 911 operator and did not he is completly in the wrong.

It amazes me... The article is about a 14 year old girl getting raped, and still the discussion degrades to political bickering. Too funny.

This is an asian gang who committed this crime on what is most likely an asian girl. Is black on black violence a hate crime? Is white on white violence a hate crime? I'm not sure, just asking.

YellaHammer

I don't understand why this is a story. It's not like it's a Hate Crime, right??.......

Since when has rape been anything other than a hate crime against women. Men may get off raping a woman/girl, but the mindset isnt merely for sexual pleasure. It is to assert dominance over women and convey the message that the woman they raped isnt important, but merely a piece of ... for thier amusement.

Rape has always been ,since before recorded history to current day civilization, one of the most disgusting and degrading hate crimes man has used against women.

Rape, especially when used against an ethnic group targeted for "ethnic cleansing" is also a war crime/crime against humanity.

Thank you Recycled. I am so glad you said it before I could. I am appalled at the rhetoric on this thread. This "CHILD" was raped by several grown men and boys. You do understand that 14 is still a child. Children don't think things through the way we think they should, and I hope and pray that she is NOT pregnant, because there are some folks that would have her endure that along with the horror of her ordeal. There are some sick elements to our society, and we as a caring populace need to stand up and protect the children and most vulnerable amongst us.

To R'Hope....

So much for Hint Dialouge......Any violent crime is hateful. The "Hate" Crime thing is bull@!$%#. it only applys when gays or blacks are the victims by white heterosexuals.

Yella.

I do not understand how, in any manner, you could have considered my blatant, outright statement as "hint dialogue". I WASNT HINTING AT ANYTHING ... just stating fact.

I disagree with your statement "Any violent crime is hateful". hate crimes are initiated out of hate ... be it hate for a certain sexual gender, race, ethnicticity, sexual orientation, etc. In other words, a hate crime is a crime commited with hate as the basis, instigator, propellant for the crime. If the hate didnt exist within the perpetrator, the perp would NOT have commited the crime.

Many violent crimes have other basis instigations other than hate. Muggings, burglaries, bank robberies, car jacking, etc, are all violent crimes - they can be based upon greed or opportunity or ego. The perp has no hate nor respect for the person he/she victimizes, in fact, the perp doesnt care one way or another for the victim - all the perp cares about is what he/she wants or needs or feels like. The distinct goal is NOT to express hate, but self-centered selfishness with a total disregard one way or another for the victim. If it wasnt this person, another person would do just fine regardless of race, creed, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicicity. The same is true for many other violent crimes, including many murders.

A hate crime is commited with the expressed intent of inflicting pain/death upon someone merely for the fact of who that person is or what that person believes by virtue of birth (heredity, location, culture, religion) ... not what property the perp can gain and "profit" by in commiting the crime.

If my outright, matter of fact, blatant statement is merely a "hint" to your judgement, then perhaps you need a reality check to see what your paradigm of life actually sees and processes.

There a many, various mental health specialists out there in every part of this world that can assist you in the discovery and healing of whatever your paradigm is that makes you live within a sphere that severely filters reality from your consciousness

Depends on if the gang hates women. Everyone in that particular group needs to be castrated and sent to prison.

Apparently, a "Hate-Crime" is only a "Hate-Crime" if the alleged perpetrator has a skin pigment that's lighter than the victim's.

If both the perpetrator and the victim have similar skin tones, then the combined opinions of Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, President Obama and the various media outlets must make the determination because the rest of us are just to ignorant to think for ourselves.

SideNote

Apparently, a "Hate-Crime" is only a "Hate-Crime" if the alleged perpetrator has a skin pigment that's lighter than the victim's

You are 100 percent, absolutely uequivocally correct, my friend

for example, the gang of black thugs who assaulted, tortured, then raped and murdered Channon Christian and Christoper Newsom could not have had a hateful bone in their bodies

therefore, MSNBC did not think this story worth reporting. It was non-news

on the other hand....the Trayvon Martin story has become all-consuming; a story of epic proportion....despite all indications that it was a tragic accident

WTH does that MEAN?? Who says they are Asian? And why would that be important info??

Jo-An

Because for some reason the geniuses who keep posting want to assume that gangs only exist in the Black community. No other race has them....apparently...

Jo-An

Uhhhh, because they are ASIAN! MSNBC is ONLY good at giving a teaser headline and then feeding us garbage. It is VERY important to know they are ASIAN, and dmanuel said it right:

Because for some reason the geniuses who keep posting want to assume that gangs only exist in the Black community.

Adding to dmanuels comment I would insert an US between "want to" above, and say that MSNBC wants US to assume that gangs only exist in the Black community.

Uh guys... who f-ing cares what race they are? they are gang members and THEY RAPED A 14 YEAR OLD

Glad to see where your priorities are.

With a rusty hunting knife and no anesthetic.

With ya on that one mark!

LOL, was that an asian joke or am i reading between the lines?

This is what happens in a world full of illegitimate children with no father to be a good role model and a mother who is probably too young to be a parent anyway. I know someone who is in her 30's and already a grandmother. She had a daughter when she was 16 and so did her daughter. In each case, the boyfriend was a deadbeat who had no interest in his kid. These gang kids are wild animals who need to be locked up for everyone else's safety. Kids need both parents or this kind of crime can be the result.

Carol,

If raising you kid with Christ in their lives would change all of this, then please explain the young white boy who was just sentenced in Mississippi for beating and running over a black man ( who did die). He stood before the judge and the victims family and said that he was "not raised" to act the way he did. He was raised in a "godly" home. Oh and at Kevin, He was raised by BOTH Parents. Christ and 2 parents are not going to change gangs, Parent(s) teaching morals and taking an active role in their childrens lives should,l irrelevant what religion or lack of religion the practice. However, there are always going to be those who are just bad apples.

I feel for this young girl and hope justic is served

Carole...Based on all the dogma of christian teachings didn't god orchestrate this whole thing?

jlmeyers72,

So how should parents teach morals? What are "morals", even? Is it "do what feels right"? How do you teach kids to distinguish that from "do what feels good"? Christ shows us how to live morally, so why do so many people try to wing it on their own?

AP,

Then by your logic, people who are Jewish, Budhist, Hindu, etc, have no morals? Christians do not own morality. Are you saying that Atheists and agnostics are the first to kill, rape, plunder? You can teach right from wrong and not have Christian values. Besides, according to most of the religious right, most Americans say that they are Christians but yet, we are still plauged with voilent crime. The point aI was making was to teach right from wrong and be invloved in your childs life, Christ doesn't need to be involved in that if that is not you religion.

You do not have to be Christian to know killing and raping is wrong.

Glen--God does not orchestrate bad stuff. He does , however, allow bad stuff to happen due to choice. In this case, the poor choices of the 9 arrested so far and the little 14-year old who went to the party with an older man.

this is about a lack of personal morals, not a lack of following a single version or teaching out of fear of consequences... personal morals are what you do because you feel and know it is right, the sufficient consequence should be your own regret if you do something you feel is wrong... NOT because "someone said so" that is just being a follower and dropping any personal responsibility for your thoughts and actions.. Yes, it does take a stonger character, but that is what the word means...

jlmyers,

Being raised by both parents does not guarantee that a child will turn out good, but it certainly helps. Kids need to be taught that there is an absolute right and wrong. It is not just what any individual decides it is. If that were true, anything could be justified. Religious or not, probably everyone can agree there are certain things that are just plain wrong.

Christ shows us how to live morally,

Then Why are christians so hateful and immoral?

Mandy, you cannot say that all Christians are immoral. Same is true for Muslims, Jews or any other religion. People don't follow the rules in their religion.

Exactly my point, Kevin :-) thank you.

AP was claiming that you can only teach your children morals if you are a christian. I pointed out that many christians are far from what they preach.

David,,I do not see people relateing this to the "black culture" only. I talk about the gang culture and the idiots that barnstorm at the drop of a hat(or onswitch of a camera), to rile crowds up in the face of a stupid act but shut their eyes when the same thing is caused by the people in that same crowd that they are trying to rile up!

Nice try Thunder...what race are the "scum rappers" you wrote about earlier? And you do realize that the gang members who raped that girl are Asian right? What idiots are barnstorming to rile up the Asian community?

You really ought to try to get a fact or two before spouting this nonsense. Remember the old saying "better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt". It really applies to you this morning.

Thunder-2108346; YOU ARE A LIAR AND A RACIST. Your first response to this article was "where are Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson."

And that is only because your racist little brain saw the word "gang" and instantly thought BLACK. What I find hilarious is that NOW (just like other white racist cowards) you wanna back peddle on having exposed your racism by claiming this has to do with "gang culture" rather than "black culture." YOUR FIRST RESPONSE WAS ABOUT BLACK CULTURE.

I guess finally you saw, you ignorant pig, that this crime involves an ASIAN gang. You've been exposed. You are a racist. AND a coward because you wanna now claim your comments had nothing to do with race when what you said earlier had everything to do with race.

I love to read the posts from people who know very little regarding the topic being discussed. This is sort of what national elections are all about, people speaking, or in this case typing, without a shred of knowledge for the matter at hand. The girl was raped by Asian men, not Black, Hispanic, or White men.

The adults are: Kong Meng Vang, 38; Mang Yang, 24; Mitchell Teng Yang, 22; Vang Tou Ger Vue, 19; and Van Chai Xiong, 18.

The juveniles are: Jim Her, 17; Shaileng Shong Lor, 16; Xou Yang, 16; and a fourth who was not immediately named because he is 15.

Hope this helps your perspective in this matter.

Nice post Terry, but it won't help their perspective or change their racist thinking.

Terry, valid post, and so is gman's. Problem is, both the above two you are talking about, have, what appears to these old eyes, their own agendas.

It is scary the amount of hate that is poured out here on black people without a shred of evidence. It is the same midset that send Zimmerman speeding after Martin without any evidence of wrongdoing. I met an old black man once who told me he said good morning to his white neighbor in the south whe he was a fourteen year old boy, someone saw from a distance and ran around the town and told everyone that he had disrespected the neighbor and the got a rope and selected a tree and were about to hang him. Before they strung him up someone said let us ask the neighbor what he said. They dragged him to the neighbor who said all that boy said was good morning, so they let him go.

The criminals in the above story should face their day in court, Zimmerman, and all others regardless of the color of their skin should as well. The said thing is if we had fair policing, and a fair justice system, there would be no need for the marching and rallying of Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson.

I hear you completely. Street justice is true, swift and dealing with the defendants on their own level, not to mention saving a lot of the taxpayers' money for worthwhile projects and deserving people. Unfortunately, the recognized legal justice system would not appreciate the father's assistance and then he gets his life taken away by getting sent to prison and the girl suffers even further pain, having to grow up without her father' love and guidance in her young life.

When cops ID a gang member they should just shoot them on sight and hang thr body from a lamp post in plain sight. Any citizen who shoots a gang member should get a reward check. These are the scum of the earth and since the apple don't fall far from the tree the trash that spawned them should be sterilized. And any young they produce. Bad blood needs to be stopped. And religion has nothing to do with this. Take the bible, koran, torah, or any other work of fiction like them and toss it in the trash. These basturds need to die

Obviously.......there was no slant.

here you go bob... names and some face shots.

http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_20239885/ramsey-county-charges-be-filed-rape-14-year?source=most_viewed

it could be they just do not have the information confirmed and would like more detail first. if you read through every news channel and they offer the same information, most likely there is lack of other details available because the police investigating the case do not have 2gizillion extra funding lying around to hire spokesperson for every case that spark media interest and others are busy working to release information.

would you rather police just run their mouth on every case without discretion to everyone that's curious on a case? stop being judgmental on the media and call the police yourself if you think you can do better on extracting information.

It's a real tragedy that this happened to the girls. I agree with other posters that this case so far did not report any racial profiling, these girls were picked up because they were too trusting. it maybe their parents warned them, but they did not heed advise not to get into risky situations. whatever the case may be, hopefully investigation will give them justice.

I found these names: Vang Vue, Vanchai Xiong, Mang Yang and Mitchell Yang, on another site which gives a better picture of the gang.

That information has been provided a few comments back by Terry51025: here it is

The adults are: Kong Meng Vang, 38; Mang Yang, 24; Mitchell Teng Yang, 22; Vang Tou Ger Vue, 19; and Van Chai Xiong, 18.

The juveniles are: Jim Her, 17; Shaileng Shong Lor, 16; Xou Yang, 16; and a fourth who was not immediately named because he is 15.

Thank you Terry

so, true. if the alleged perpetrators are minorities, then this behavior is okay.

Just what we need. Draft them into the military, give them military training and make them even more efficient killers, that will go out and kill innocent people in foreign wars for the fun of it, all while dressed in American military uniforms. That's just perfect. Then release them back into American society after 30 years experience at killing and the smell of blood still in their nostrils. What a brilliant suggestion! Not! The last thing they need is to be given anymore skills and weapons training than they get from the streets already. Just lock them away for keeps without the possibility of parole and make an example of them. Then if that doesn't work and these gangs keep commiting their home grown brand of terrorism the next step should be public executions. It sounds barbaric but that may be the only thing people who live the gang lifestyle will understand and respond to. I had a friend as a teenager in Chicago who was a repeat offender and loved being in prison because there he had juice and the respect of his fellow gang members. They form families as much inside the joint as they do outside the joint. For most of them prison is a waste of tax payers money and no amount of prison time will rehabilitate them. If anything it just makes worse than before. The best solution for those is once again a barbaric solution of public execution. Sometimes the only way to beat something so pervasive as gangs is to wipe them entirely off the face of the planet and start with a clean slate. We should enact a law that says if you join a street gang you automatically give up all your constituional rights and will be treated like a rabid dog. if tried and found guilty of violent gang activity, such as rape, drive by shooting, drug dealing, kidnapping, forced prostitution, etc., you will be euthanized publicly in the manner befitting your crime. In other words, an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. If thine eye offend thee pluckit out of society as you would cut out a cancer from your body. No more playing nice with people who themselves don't play nice! Zero tolerance!

VOR,

In Prison they just get released and put back on the streets for our prisons are full. They learn to kill from other prisoners with no discipline.

I would agree with the zero tolerance, that is why I said turn them into eunach's. The military has other jobs then just front line killing. I really hope you do not see our returning soldiers as nothing more then trained murderers.

I would not want these sociopaths in the military! I proudly served in the military as a combat medic in Iraq. Guess what? EVERYBODY in the military is trained to kill with their bare hands. You must not know much about the military. Also, the military has enough problems with killers without adding psychopathic gang members into the mix. I don't think VOR sees our current soldiers as nothing more than trained murderers but if you force these gang members to enlist in the military, they would in fact be trained murderers.

It's way beyond time to call gangs what they are..terrorists. It's their sole purpose to harm society.

Our legal system's leniency has bred what we have to endure today. Shame on our legal system,

shame on the parents and neighborhoods that let this continue for generations.

I agree, these people should be butchered and fed to hogs. And all those gangs members in prison for violent crimes- hang'em high.

We do also!

david you have not been "vetted" with enough posts is the mostly likely reason for your link not posting. Not sure how that even works from facebook

trust - I don't really know how it works either but I just got notified by Newsvine that I finally made it out of the "greenhouse" and could begin posting links. I've been posting on Newsvine regularly for probably 2 to 3 years.

lol!

Plenty hateful people just can't wait to expose their emotional I.Q. You're living a VERY sad life if you just can't wait to show your cowardice and racism on a comment board. I guess these Yang ..er I mean gang members were supposed to be African-American. Well in the words of the great communicator Rick Perry,

"Oops"!

dude bayez i agree my man,i would make these dudes wish they never even looked at the girl,every one of them would @!$%#ed beyound return,and yes i hope some one random runs up and shoots these @!$%#s in the head,they need it,peopel like this should die,we need a harder justice system i think to many get off free at hand,soon people are gonna get sick of this and take it in there own hands.,

Jack - looked up that story. Just amazing. Guess it really depends on which gang you belong to - tb22, DeAnza baseball, Duke Lacrosse...

Anti-Lib,

The gangs come in all ethnicities in the USA many of us realize that.

But can YOU read?

I agree! If you knew my background you maybe surprised. I spent 5 years in prison for intimidation of a witness (a pimp who was shot by a friend of mine).

But I agree 100%. I think the penalty for gang rape of a child should be death. Nothing less is acceptable.

Yellow!! - that sounds like they would have some type of infection - which actually would not surprise me!

I think Anti-Lib needs to explain more fully why he thinks gangs are ornamental.

Segdirb, Head Priest was referring to them as yellow because it is a common racial slur against Asians. While I agree with him that there is something seriously wrong with these gang members (& severely wrong is a vast understatement) I think fighting hate with hate is like fighting fires with gasoline. It just spreads.

Watch the Gangland TV series. I'm sure you'll feel wonderful about society and your fellow man and citizens of America after watching that show.