Most atheists are moral, just like most Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc are.

BS Jack, this case is an example of extreme injustice and would be big news NO MATTER WHAT the races of the principle players.

Jack's comments fall under the same rule about a child abducted. Last October a wealthy white girl was kidnapped and it made national news. At the exact time a poor black girl was abducted in Phoenix while I was visiting my family and it was hardley in the news.

Bill....Unfortunately there are too many christians that believe if you are not a christian you are going to hell. Just as bad as the ayatollahs in Iran.

Atheism, in the spirit of Mao and Stalin, creates a culture in which living for self is venerated, and love for others is disparaged. This is the culture that seeks conformaty at all costs, does not seek truth though it may seek fact, and ultimatly tolerates murder of those outside the narrow minded tenets of godlessness. As for what actually transpired between Trayvon and Zimmerman, we don't yet know the truth or all the facts, but mostly what people have to say in defense of thier own dogma. Mr Atheist we've heard from your ilk before -- the truth isnt relevant, what's important is that we find someone to blame. The fact that you go straight to the Republicans as the source of ignorance and hate betrays an ideology that cannot tolerate anything but its own point of view.

I know I may be going against the grain here. A young man was killed. The community watch officer was no doubt poorly trained and armed. The 911 operator warned him about pursuit. The young man died tragically. Too many people are hurling insults and venting hate now. Real heroism is working quietly, being diligent, and educating those who don't understand.

When George Wallace was shot, one of the first people to reach out and visit him in the hospital was Shirley Chisholm. Now that was an enlightened and classy act. We need more people doing things like that.

I wrote this song in memory of Trayvon Martin, my condolences to his family. Lyrics are in the info

Lol, what BS christian propaganda book did you copy your first two sentences from, Jog? God belief is the main problem with this world. It is divisive, pits groups of people against each other, and fuels wars. The whole idea that death is not the end is a dangerous one. It is this idea, after all, which is the sole motivation of suicide bombers. Atheism truly is the path to world peace. The TRUTH about who we are and where we came from has the power to unite mankind. These truths are common to ALL humans.

Yes, I believe that Mr. Zimmerman acted out, based on an elevated belief that he was a champion of the neighborhood, and protector of his "turf." Well, it isn't his turf anymore than it was Trayvon's.

The police gave specific instructions that the suspect, Trayvon, was not to be followed. Mr. Zimmerman went against orders and logic, getting out of his vehicle, with gun in hand, in a stalking behavior. It is clear that there was some altercation between Zimmerman and Trayvon, and that needs follow-up. Who attacked whom?

Typically, folks are cautious of male blacks. The statistics are, that in spite of all, Affirmative Action, police training, and desegregation, have had very little effect on the incidence of crime in that demographic. People have the right to exercise caution, based on real evidence.

But, Mr. Zimmerman went beyond the mere cautious, becoming the aggressor in this case. I believe that he should be arrested, local codes and laws considered. It's manslaughter under most States' laws.

I knew Al Sharpton would jump all over this as soon as the cameras start rolling!

No, I think Jack is right on. It's not hateful to disagree. White people aren't the victims here, it was a Hispanic shooter. It's about getting to the bottom of this and not assuming Zimmerman is racist and a hunter of little black kids until the investigation is over.

Well the attorney says there was a scuffle between the two. So maybe its like the one person is saying, that maybe the gun went off accidently, and maybe the black kid looked like he was going for a weapon and the watchman shoot him. The hoodies do make you look like your ganster if your wearing one. They don't stand for anything good, so sure my first impression would be that the guy could be trouble. The kid was suspended from school for 10 days, so he's no angel either. Theres a lot here thats never going to come out and the truth will never be known now, its too late for this to ever be a good trial now, any bar stool attorney can handle this case and bring home a win. If its a smaller crime to say the gun went off accidently then thats what Zimmerman will say now. So if this kid was shot and it was illegal to shoot him, Zimmerman will walk no matter what now.

I did not know that Communists were atheists--(I thought they were Communists, and then did not need some kind of God), nor did I know that any of the 10,000 global religions have morals-- according to who's standard?(seriously) I see here (US) that most get divorced, and most now live together before marriage, so what morals are you talking about, I mean as far as killing morals, USA has the last decade killed appx 1,6 million directly by bombing and taking down governments and leaving them to fend for themselves, help me out here? I mean I was asked to come here and teach you computer chips from the number one or two country on the globe (low religion, they do not need to beg for food and medical,unemployment or retirement!) and I have been very disappointed mainly in lack of a standard here, one of them is human rights, it really does matter how much money you have and then how you are treated like in the courts, and killings etc, and many other things!---But I see in Denmark they also have daily Muslim hunting now (they have been trained well by global big brother opinion, and they actually had a larger percentage of soldieres in Iraq than USA), so I do not know here who has a right to preach morals!---I am also dissapointed in UN, that they can not set and maintain those standards, but they are a total loss!--But they should simply tell USA to get that killer arrested, if we have a corrupt system, like some of you want to send them to other countries!

Zimmerman is toast. Justice will be served - one way or another.

..when do the riots start? Thats usually whats next isnt it?

Interesting new development now coming out. Apparently there was a witness, said he say a guy in a red shirt on the ground (Zimmerman wore a red shirt) Seems Zimmerman suffered a broken nose and head injury. Was it self-inflicted? The Sharptons/Jacksons et al. always come out when they get to be seen on TV. They rush to judgement before all the facts are in, they sponsor a 'vigilante justice' outrage, scream racism and make all sorts of accusations, ALL before the facts are fully revealed. Would there be such an outcry if the shooter was black and his victim hispanic? Really? Seems it happens a great deal, looking at statistics and yet no huge public outcry commences for those events. Most recently two black youths cornered and set fire to a white youth. Where was the public outcry over that? Where were Jesse and Al for that? Strangely quiet.

Once the facts are revealed, if they indeed prove that what happened was an unjustified murder of a black teenager, then there are laws which deal with murder. There are courts and juries. Trying someone in the public feeding frenzy, before all the facts are in is rather, shall we say, premature.

What a total crock all week, as are the nonsensical marches and t-shirts and dumb "We Love You, Trayvon" tweets from total strangers, along with the $1 contributions requested for the Trayvon Martin Foundation for racial education. Are Americans truly this dumb, gullible and racist? Read the *public* police report taken the night of the incident on 2/26. Three witnesses corroborate Zimmerman's account that sweet little hoodie wearing gold toothed troubled Traynon turned and attacked him as he was walking back to his SUV, breaking Zimmerman's nose and splitting the back of his head. It is Zimmerman heard crying for help on the 911 call, as the 17-year-old is beating him, also corroborated by the 911 operator and police; Zimmerman said to police that he had cried out for help but no one came. And now we have some nutbag worked up by Obama threatening the life of the resigned police chief. This country is so far gone into the idiocracy cesspool, it will never recover. Shame on those who fall for the race pimps Sharpton and Jesse Jackson ... every single time. Especially shameful for the president to open his big mouth by prejudging the police, endangering Zimmerman's family. And the so-called new media for always, always adding fuel to every fire, instead of fact checking and reporting.

Blueflies are begining to swarm, Al Sharpton. Jessie Jackson is 'flying' in soon.....

I just love all you "experts" out there who think justice isn't being served or that the police are trying to ignore their duty or whatever. Most of you don't have any facts. You just rely on your own emotionally driven bs and think you know what you're talking about.

Here's a few real facts for you to consider:

1. An arrest CANNOT be made without sufficient evidence to justify the arrest. Circumstantial evidence is all that the police have until their investigation goes further. It was dark. It was raining. None of the articles I've seen have even suggested that there were even any witnesses to this incident yet, though there may have been. You have multiple factors that can cast doubt on whether this individual is guilty of murder or involuntary manslaughter.

2. Zimmerman is half-white and half-hispanic. Screaming "racist" is absurd. You don't know whether this man identifies more with his white heritage, his hispanic heritage or simply appreciates both. So kindly SHUT UP with the racist bs please. It only makes you look ignorant and hateful.

3. Considering how much the media has blown this out of proportion, it's no surprise most of you are clueless when it comes to viewing this issue in a calm, rational matter. Human beings are notorious for feeling first and thinking later...if at all.

Here's the bottom line. Until all of the facts are in, all of you are doing nothing but speculating and assuming you know what really happened. Which basically means you don't know jack and are only revealing your ignorance to the world.

Take a chill pill and let the REAL experts do their jobs.

Won't those attention whores ever give it up? Maybe they should try working for a living, instead of draining poor black people, who have enough leeches vying for their $ as it is.

They are about as "reverend" as I am. They will do nothing but muddy the waters of a sensitive case that is far from cut dried, no matter what Martin's family and the New York Times are selling.........

Here's a real fact for you to ponder on Wizard of Wisdom, Zimmerman half Latino and half Caucasian is still a racist revealed by his own words during the 911 call. What makes you think that someone who's half Latino is incapable of racism towards African Americans?

"These @!$%#s. They always get away."

That recorded statement is fact enough that Zimmerman was racially motivated to act.

You know Hippy, he said absolutely nothing about his religion during his post. Second, your post sounds an awful lot like a threat, rather than careful consideration. Third, ethics and morality have nothing to do with what religious book you thump. So please, take your preaching elsewhere, we're trying to discuss the death of a teenager wearing a hoodie, and what he could have done to provoke this.

I do know from my experience that black people, men and women, tend to get overly hostile when confronted. He was also a teenager... so multiply that RAGE factor. Simply put, he may have made a vocal threat on the life of the guy, then gotten chased and shot when his big talk simply couldn't be backed up. I'm not saying he actually DID it, but people are very quick to pick a side and demonize, rather than letting the facts come out. I believe in innocent until proven guilty... but chasing the kid just makes him look a heck of a lot guilty.

Still, this sort of thing goes on in the Ghetto all the time. The sheer fact it's a White killing Black issue is what drives it forward, not because of a lost life. No one cares about the kid, only that it was a White guy that killed a Black guy, otherwise we'd be having national hours of silence for all the people killed in violence assaults throughout the country.

And no, it's not being "racist". The majority of black people I've dealt with in my life, as a white man, has been pure, vicious hatred, taking whatever I say to be some great insult, as though they're looking for a reason to step up and throw down, just because I'm white. But hey, if you're white, people can't be racist against you, right?

LITTLE CHANGES SAY:" Three witnesses corroborate Zimmerman's account that sweet little hoodie wearing gold toothed troubled Traynon turned and attacked him as he was walking back to his SUV, breaking Zimmerman's nose and splitting the back of his head. It is Zimmerman heard crying for help on the 911 call, as the 17-year-old is beating him, also corroborated by the 911 operator and police; Zimmerman said to police that he had cried out for help but no one came."

The Republican spin has begun

"If Zimmerman was black nobody would have ever heard about Trayvon."

If Trayvon were white, he wouldn't be dead.

Hey Bart. What about the white Chicago Police officer shot in the chest by a black male "with a cell phone" earlier this week.

IF YOU ARE WHITE AND THINK YOU ARE OPPRESSED, YOU CAN SHUT THE H**L UP!

Not that you will, because people have the right to be stupid and say stupid things in this country. Those people are the people to laugh at.

Let's just step aside from this case in particular and also say if you don't think racism against blacks exists, you are also an idiot, in my book.

And how that DOES apply to the particulars in this case, is given what is known, there better be an FBI investigation, because until proven otherwise, it looks right now like the police were complicit in being racists. They better get the Casey Anthony lawyer to defend them.

Last thing, please STOP pretending to be a conservative if you are defending the shooter. Only a faux conservative wants to make a claim to a side in this case. There are plenty of them, though. Its why Ron Paul cant catch a break and Santorum has his delegates.

Hmmmmmm As I said before I live in Detroit. I have friends that killed a few times a year. Last year a good friend was leaving a tigers game headed in the lesser but cheaper parking area and was clubbed over the head with a bat, taken to an isolated area in Detroit and beaten then lit on fire! HE was still alive when he was lit on fire. The police here mostly never show up unless the crime is set to make media news. A 9 month old and 6 year old were shot in a driveby and a car jacking in the last 2 weeks. In this day and age, the media makes the news! So the next question is who motivates the media!

Y'all better remember something from the past . If you were alive then.. Remember Rodney King?? Told by the police to stop resisting. Kept up getting up and then beaten down again and again. The negro community was up in arms then. AND the the police officers were found NOT GUILTY..The city of Los Angeles was robbed and looted ,BY these so called law abiding citizens. Remember Reginald Denny??? Dragged out of his dump truck, had a brick thrown at his face. Fell like and old old tree...Did the whites loot and rob the communities, of those associated with this?? No and probably felt like we should have, seeing reginald, drop like a rock. Remember o.j?? Killing two white people..Found Not guilty. What a JOKE!! I would have burnt LA to the ground then if I had been a white negro. But figured it was a racially motivated trial, as it usally is... And what is up with Al Sharptongue?? Come out of the woodwork to protest....DO SOMETHING respectable with your time idiot!! Probably be COLLAPSED BY THE COMMUNITY, AS i'm not associated with msnbc

What I don't understand is how Zimmerman with a gun ends up on his back with Martin on top of him. Seems like the gun doesn't come into play until after the altercation. Wouldn't Zimmerman have his gun drawn before ending up on the ground? The only scenario I can see Zimmerman on the ground is when he is told by the dispatcher to stop following him and return to his SUV; giving an opportunity for Martin to engage Zimmerman.

Martin, at 6ft + and 140 lbs. should've and could've sprinted to where his father was staying and called 911 to report a stalker. Instead, it ended up on the ground. I am not defending either side. I am inclined to believe that Zimmerman is not that much of a coward to shoot someone in the back.

Therefore, Martin could've saved his own life by running to his father and reporting Zimmerman to the authorities instead of somehow ending up on top of Zimmerman resulting in his own death. I wish the media would show more current pictures of Trayvon instead of his grade school pictures. Trayvon was the same size as Thomas Hearns, a former welterweight boxing champion. Those grade school pictures paint him like a lamb.

If I was Trayvon, and I see some piss-ant little squat come up to me with an attitude...I'm going to stand my ground...it'd be a different conclusion if I see him coming at me with a gun drawn...

"Feet, don't fail me now!"

The Blank Panthers just put out a bounty of $10,000 for the capture of George Zimmerman. This could escalate an already explosive situation. I hope and pray that cooler heads prevail. This is already a tragedy.

Wizard of "wisdom" you are not! bwahahahah! so what you're saying is that because he's half hispanic and the fact he MAY identify with his hispanic side means he's not racists? really? did you read your comment before posting? i am always weary of people with such usernames as yours because people like you trying to make yourself seem smart never live up to it. maybe YOU need to shut up Wizard of IDIOCY because YOU are looking ignorant. i'm wondering if you ever step off your front porch or even have friends of other races because if you did, you'd know a little more.

here's some tidbits from hispanic friends: 1. white people are trying to pawn this guy off on them, but hispanics aren't claiming him either. his mother being hispanic bears no value because his father is white. so he's not a "real hispanic". to them, you are your father's race. if your father is black you're black, if your father is white your white, if your father is latino your latino. 2. just to make light of things and because you can always seem to say derogatory things about your own race, they say "real latinos can't even say ZIMMERMAN." 3. he doesn't even look latino, he looks more persian or something like that. 4. (and the thing you obviously don't know anything about) even if he was full hispanic doesn't devalue any racism. just because he's hispanic doesn't mean he's not racist. the tension between latinos and blacks has a full and very long history that is alive and well today...latinos/spaniards being the first to import black slaves. and the racism within themselves...lighter skinned latinos vs darker skinned ones. really, since you don't seem to have friends of other cultures, how about googling some facts before posting.

the tragedy was that a boy was killed because he was stereotyped. whether it was justified or not doesn't mean anything. all it does is show just how ignorant and judgemental as a human race we really are.

This has went from a tragic event, to a media joke. The black panthers offering a bounty? So to protest something that has not made it to the courts yet they are breaking the law?

Protests, marches, all of this nonsense is a knee jerk reaction. People cannot even wait to see what happens before jumping on a bandwagon.

What a joke on all sides.

friendlyfan,

Thanks for proving that you're as ignorant as you are illiterate.

First off, making personal attacks against me only makes you a moron. Yes, I can make attacks too. There, now we're even.

Secondly, my point in regards to racism was that you had a bunch of people screaming that this was a "racist incident" right off the bat, because they were under the MISTAKEN impression that Zimmerman was a white guy and because Trayvon was black. I realize your lack of intelligence makes this hard to understand, but try and keep up here.

Making the "racist" claim before ANY real evidence was there, beyond the fact that people BELIEVED Zimmerman was white and Trayvon was black is an ignorant and misguided belief. He was already branded a racist before ANY evidence was brought to light one way or the other.

If you can't see how wrong that is, then you're even more ignorant than you appear to be.

And how exactly does his mother being hispanic have NO value, JUST because his father is white?? You are your father's race??? Seriously?? Are you THAT freakin narrow-minded?

Go grow up and come back when you have some real intelligence and maybe at least one mature argument to make, because right now you're just a f**king joke pal.

You are your father's race??? WHAT BS!!!!!! Real latinos can't say Zimmerman??? Wow, that sounds like an insult to latinos. Hope none of your friends read this dude, because they're liable to kick your ignorant a$$ for you.

What a clown.

Hard to believe it's 2012 and white Americans are still so filled with ignorance and fear that they believe that it's okay to murder a 14 year old black boy. It's also hard to feel anything but embarrassment and shame for living in such a backward country.

guess no one remembers the two white college kids who were kidnapped raped and murdered by 5 black guys and 1 black girl, the young man was sodomized murdered ,wrapped in a carpet and set on fire, the young lady was raped murdered and found in a 55 gallon drum in the back yard of the black folks, she had bleach poured down her throat, none of these animals were charged with a hate crime . why ? because they were members of a gang, so the cops figured it was a crime of opportunity. because they were in a gang it cannot be considered a hate crime. so the lesson here is, if you commit a hate crime, just tell the cops you are in a gang. that is what we are teaching these animals.

schoolyard

I knew Al Sharpton would jump all over this as soon as the cameras start rolling!

schoolyard,

What should Al Sharpton be doing...whistling " I wish I was in Dixie, hooray, hooray"...in support of Zimmerman?

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If Zimmerman was black nobody would have ever heard about Trayvon.

Undoubtedly true, Jack. Have you pondered why that might be? Do you think it might have anything to do with the fact that the police did virtually nothing until some very good and very persistent journalists uncovered strong indications that racism appeared to be the motive for both the murder and the decision by local law enforcement to release the shooter, allowing him to keep his firearm, fail to notify the family for three days and ignore their obligation to conduct a full investigation.

Do you not understand that many of us are passionate about justice for racially motivated murders?

Do you not understand that many of us believe that the NRA-driven "stand your ground" laws, which are heavily financed by the gun manufacturers and dealers, are thinly veiled "license to kill" laws which are not only dangerous, but unnecessary for the purposes of public safety.

Hard to believe that in 2012, when a black man is president of the US, that the race card is pulled so frequently. Also hard to understand how a group of people can rush to judgement, become judge, jury and executioner before they even know the facts. Do you have all the facts? Do you know for a fact that what you claim is indeed the truth? Are you a victim of 'vigilante justice' mentality? You, know, lets kill him, he's got to be guilty, why, we know he's guilty and the police are liars and Tyvon is twelve years old because the picture of him was taken when he was twelve years old. If you feel embarassment and shame for living in such a 'backwards' country perhaps you should pay attention to facts, rather than engaging in hyperbole and a need to extract revenge.

He was almost 18 and he was assaulting Zimmerman. If someone was beating me while I was on the ground I too would shoot them. White, black, brown, bam dead. And I do carry a gun. If you don't know the facts then STFU!

mygirl

Demanding an investigation is not "rushing to judgement". The reason for the protests is that people do not have all of the facts and law enforcement, before the protests, did not seem at all interested in gathering the facts. If there were a true "vigilante" justice attitude going on from the protesters George Zimmerman would be history. The real vigilante appears from all of the evidence gathered in the past ten days to be Zimmerman himself, but we justice seekers are willing and eager for justice to take its legal course. That means a complete and impartial investigation. That means not misapplying a "stand your ground" law to cover the ass of a stalker who was clearly seeking confrontation. That means law enforcement doing its job.

In case you haven't been paying attention, Zimmerman used racial slurs on the 911 call and followed Trayvon Martin in spite of instructions from both the 911 dispatcher and the rules governing the behavior of neighborhood watch participants.

Kaci...It's a free country...Get the F out!

Derek....Your absolutely right. Racism still exists against blacks and sadly probably will never end, but for you to say it exists for all except whites...You are a Dumb a** Idiot!

EBC

Zimmerman had a gun, Trayvon Martin did not - nor is there any evidence that Zimmerman had any reason to believe Trayvon was armed (unless you are one of the racists who believe wearing a hoody is evidence that the hoody wearer is armed and dangerous). Zimmerman was told not to pursue. He chose not to follow those instructions.

There is every reason to believe that Zimmerman chased and attacked Trayvon Martin and, possibly that Martin fought back (but that has not been proven) - so Zimmerman killed him and now claims self defense. Zimmerman did not exhibit any reasonable level of rational thinking and, unfortunately, the country is full of armed and dangerous people with the same kind of mind set. There is also good evidence to believe that the murder was racially motivated.

You stand ready to kill another human being. Good for you. I don't know you. Good for me.

Kick

The level of your conversation deserves the "no value" tag. I hope I was the first to give you one.

don: so I guess the New Black Panthers placing a bounty on Zimmerman is alright with you? In post #1.45 you state that you don't know what happened, so are you rushing to judgement? Are you aware of what an on-going police investigation is? It means that the police are investigating and if they find enough evidence in the course of that investigation to determine that a crime has been committed then they will make an arrest. Just because someone isn't arrested immediately doesn't mean that they can't be arrested later. Lots of examples of that. Scott Peterson comes to mind.

Don, STFU. Were you there? Lets look at this from the other side of the coin. Since it seem your impossible of not beleiving everything you read. A man with a concealed weapon was attacked, when he defended himself with that concealed weapon a young man died. If you were there and saw the gun out, please report it to the police so that they can arrest him If not SHUT THE **** UP.

The Black Panthers have issued a bounty for this man's arrest. Yep, he will not last the night. Someone is going to kill him and say he was resisting arrest. How is that for all you that have been shouting for convition without trial. All it takes is one too many people to shoot off their mouth and someone dies. Your responsible for his death then. But oh no, no one is ever responsible for getting people killed. I hope that the parents of this 'poor' boy are charged with inciting riots and manslaughter when the bounty turns up getting Zimmerman killed.

@Mygirl, its too bad that even if there is evidence of wrong doing, even a half rate defense attorney will be able to get the case thrown out because of all the media attention the case is getting.

mygirl, Britt

You pay too little attention. I did say I didn't have all of the evidence. I also said that I want a full investigation. I am not willing to have George Zimmerman punished unless and until he is convicted of a crime. I have my opinions and suspicions, but I don't believe anyone should be punished on suspicions.

The bounty on Zimmerman is not alright with me. I want the police to investigate, and I think that the special prosecutor ordered by the governor of Florida is the right move, since the local law enforcement did not do their job.

Here's something you should pay attention to. Just because I am on the side of justice and want a full investigation does not mean that I agree with everyone who is on my side of the issue. Vigilante justice is wrong. Period. The Black Panthers are wrong and if the evidence shows that George Zimmerman was acting as a vigilante when he shot the innocent boy, Trayvon Martin, he should be convicted of first degree murder.

Britt ...... your insults are out of line and by using such language you only reveal yourself for what you are.

Don: I am reminded of Sacco and Vanzetti and Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. If you don't know who they were, go do a search. Especially Sacco and Vanzetti. Ethel was executed despite being innocent.

mygirl

I know who they were. So what is your point? I only want a thorough, impartial investigation and, if warranted, a fair trial. Do you?

My point is that there is a group out calling for him 'dead or alive,' there is massive media coverage, Al and Jesse are calling the 'racist' mantra again, the president has weighed in stating something like 'Tyvon could have been my son' or words to that effect. There are school walk-outs, the FBI, the DOJ, T-shirts etc, etc, all calling for Zimmerman's hide.

With all the outcry, all the 'rush to judgements' happening, he is already tried and convicted in the court of public opinion. Fair trial? Impartial investigation? How? Even the president has weighed in before all the facts are in and made an opinion decidedly not in Zimmerman's favor and that comes before anything resembling a complete investigation. Now, if the investigation exonerates Zimmerman, he's STILL going to be guilty, regardless. Whatever happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty? I have no idea of guilt or innocence in this matter and neither does anyone else currently calling for Zimmerman's arrest.

Now, if you were really aware of all the facts behind the arrests of Sacco and Vanzetti you would understand my point.

Go do some research and then get back with me...otherwise, I think I am attempting to communicate with a closed mind.

mygirl

My point is that you were accusing me, personally, for rushing to judgement. I did not. I do not accuse you of rushing to judgement that Zimmerman was within his rights as many conservatives and "stand your ground" supporters have done. People may have their opinions but what is necessary right now is an impartial investigation, just as I have been stating all along. Why must you make some ridiculous condescending statement like "do some research" to me. All I want is the truth.

As for Zimmerman's problems, anyone who kills another human being is going to be subject to the opinions of other people. Anyone. And you are foolish to believe that there will not be opinions expressed and that not all of the opinions will agree with yours. That is not the President's fault and, as a matter of fact, he did not rush to judgement. He just called for a fair investigation.

Sometimes bad things happen to self-appointed law enforcement people who like to carry guns and act like they are a big deal. Whether or not Zimmerman was guilty of a crime he certainly did not use good judgement and now he is paying a price for it.

Your reference to Sacco and Vanzetti does not apply, at least at this time. If after an actual law enforcement investigation and, perhaps, a trial you believe that Zimmerman was not treated justly you may have a point. As for now, you do not.

Don: The President of the United States has made a rush to judgement, like he did when the professor was arrested at his home. Obama immediately assumed the police were at fault and until all the facts were in, it seemed as though they were. This is no different.

And no, with the incredible homicide rate in the US, in NO way is it axiomatic that someone will be subjected to the opinions of other people in the way and on the scale that is currently happening in this particular instance. The New Black Panthers don't issue Wanted Dead or Alive posters, they don't get out and say that if the accused is murdered as a result of their actions that it is a case of 'an eye for an eye.'

The President doesn't weigh in on the debate, Jessee and Al don't fly in to be on TV, massive school walk-outs don't happen...no, in no way is this like your 'average' homicide. If the president were truly impartial and seeking a fair investigation he would not have injected the 'Tyvon would be my son' comment, rather, he would have stated that it was an ongoing investigation and left it at that.

The issue is becoming one that far exceeds the original event. It is now RACISM rather than stupid Zimmerman. We don't know the facts but New Black Panthers stepping into the fray and placing bounties is not a good thing. Interesting that no one is censuring them for their actions. Don't hear the President coming out and telling everyone to take a deep breath and calm down, don't hear the president or anyone in the black community censuring the NBP for their actions either.

@boffer. . . . . If you saw the video of the Rodney King beating you would have seen Rodney lying face down and NOT moving (for a moment), when the cops continued to beat him he got up and tried to run. At what point does anyone have the right to resist the police when being beaten, huh. Is it when they fear for THEIR safety, is it when they fear for THEIR life, of course it is. Anyone has the right to resist the police if the police continue to beat them after they stop resisting, in fact many times (if you look close enough) the policeman will push & pull on the victim and make it look like they are resisting. The police have many tactics they use to mislead the public, investigations, courts, etc. And the only reason any cop got off from the original Rodney King trial was a change of venue from LA to the very white city of Saugust about 50 miles away. AND, in the 2nd trial the cops were charged with with federal civil rights violations and several cops went to jail for 2 years each. Now, you're not quite correct and I'm white, so there!

The black Panthers basically have called a hit on Zimmerman. They should be investigated and the ones setting up this $10,000 reward sould be arrested and tried for conspiracy to commit murder. This has been blown so out of proportion because the victim was a black teen and the shooter half white. IF Zimmerman had NO white in him this wouldn't be worldwide news right now. The black panthers, religious leaders and even the POTUS wouldn't be in the media commenting. We all know this but a certain sector of this country will take any cause up to continue racial hatred and violence. NO way are all these peole JUST out for justice for Martin, thy want discord,disorder, medial frenzy and ulitmately they want rioting in the streets all over this nation. President Obama should be in the edia encouraging all to let the juidical process mov forward and that all people need to maintain cool heads than this turing into riots, injuries and deaths ir WRONG and he should be DENOUNCING this reward on Zimmermans life. Strange how silent he is!!!!!!!!! Is the racial hatred and violence to come part of a campaign stratedgy? He should be enouraging Florida and this nation to take a serious look at the laws in this country and make some changes. Why is he NOT doing this. BEfore you all start to post back hatefu things get this straight, I am a democrat who beleives he needs to step up and lead the entire nation Now!!!! Not just lead from th balck half of his heritage. HE of all people in this country should stand for equality and fairness for all RACES and all races should demand that he does NOW!!!!

The people that can't see the wrong here should think about what if it were your son that got killed by a Black guy would you just go (Oh well), I doubt it, the problem is you people don't care unless it's something that directly affects you, soon this will spread and people will think well if he can Kill someone and just claim Self defence maybe I can do the same, is that what you people want because that is the next message these people will think you're sending ....

They're doing it because they know they're going to lose the whitehouse this nov. Yep going down the road so to speak and now we're all doomed; rick santorum is going to be president and we'll have to go to church on sunday!

The last thing we need is a "national" murder law. Each state already has murder statutes on the books now and they work just fine. The facts of this one incident don't warrant creation of a federal murder law. In fact, our federal courts are not equipped to deal with more crime than they are dealing with now.

That's right AtheistLefty it is only good for the trustworthy government to have guns correct? Oh wait and I forgot the ever loving, peaceful, wrongfully accused, criminals as well... You continue to prove to me that those with no moral core have no ability to think for themselves. I am not a violent nor a very religious person but I will fight to the death to maintain freedom from those who wish to control others. Guns do not kill people, mindless idiots with no education who have guns and no sanctity for life kill people! I know just a right wing paranoid freak your saying? well if you cannot see the liberties and freedoms being taken from you daily by your Leftist, corrupt government then not only are you a simpleton but also a sheep being led to slaughter. Via Con Dios Muchacho!

Almost all states have a Castle Law. Whatever state you live in, read that law, and understand what it means. It could save you a lot of trouble, money, and possibly your life.

The stand your ground law is not a murder law. The law simply states that you have the right to defend your self from a attacker without having the fear of going to jail. But this case does not apply, what Zimmerman did was cold blooded murder. This was not self defense. If anything Travyon Martin was protected by the stand your gruond law. Don't attack the law Zimmerman is the bad guy here. He is also a traitor to all law abiding gun owners.

Al Sharpton should be red flag # 1 to anyone who doesn't already have a knee-jerk agenda that they're desperately looking to fulfill. The number one killer of young black men is...wait for it...young black men. So why does that fact get ignored, while this one case is subject to so much internet hyperbole?

But there appears to be no shortage of racist liberals that seem to be pursuing the vocation of being outraged. They are doing exactly what they are accusing the neighborhood watch Captain of doing- they want to be his judge, jury, and executioner, even though they haven't even seen the initial police report.

But it's all starting to fall apart already. Turns out, the neighborhood watch Captain isn't white- he's Hispanic. That sorta takes the wind out of the sails of all the aspiring professional third-party victims out there. And although the liberal media has already tried to spin this by putting a mug shot of the neighborhood watch Captain next to a cherry-picked photo of Martin from when he was about 10 years old, Facebook photos for Trayvon Martin show a young black man with gold teeth, throwing gang signs, and sagging trousers displaying a vertical foot of bloused boxers, with the "N" word proudly superimposed on his self-portrait. Martin didn't live in the gated community, and was only there because he had been suspended from school, for reasons that his school would not reveal, and his mother couldn't handle him. Martin, only a few months shy of adulthood, was reportedly at least six feet tall. A witness has reportedly given a statement to a local news agency revealing that Martin was on top of the bloodied neighborhood watch Captain, who was calling for help. And information has come out indicating that the pistol was found with a full magazine and only the round in the chamber discharged- a malfunction that can be induced when an attacker grabs the defender's pistol PRIOR to it being discharged.

But I guess when you've already made up your mind, you don't need to be bothered by things like "facts".

Honestly, I don't know how any member of the NRA or the Florida state legislature who voted for this "Shoot First" law can sleep at night. I may never understand how these people can look themselves in the mirror.

Stand your ground does not apply in this case, even Zimmerman's lawyer is saying that. It can still be self defense if it's proven Zimmerman was attacked and in fear for his life. The evidence thus far points to Martin being on top and beating Zimmerman. Grass stains on his back, a broken nose, blood on the back of his head, Martin lying face down, all point to Martin being on top. Now, this does not mean Martin was the attacker, merely that, in the confrontation, he came out "on top" (excuse the pun).

"Honestly, I don't know how any member of the NRA or the Florida state legislature who voted for this "Shoot First" law can sleep at night. I may never understand how these people can look themselves in the mirror."

Here's how I sleep at night with this law: People are sick of crime. Sick of having to run first while the criminal takes their wallet and steals their sense of security. Sick of having to surrender first while the criminal goes free to commit another crime. This a law allows an armed citizen to protect themselves without some lawyer showing that they didn't do it quite right and sending the victim to jail; While the criminal goes free.

Where are these facts published?

vern

WOW, 1st he wasn't the neighborhood watch captain. They in fact didn't have a neighborhood watch program. One was never registered nor did anyone ever go to any local neighborhood watch meetings. He self appointed himself a neighborhood captain. The homeowners association was the 1st to point that out.

Zimmerman came from a mixed marriage. The news calls him white, most likely because that is what in puts on everything.

There was on witness in a local paper that refused to be identified. That said the kid was on top. You failed to talk about the others that did not say the same. They went on local TV and said it. They both heard the kid yelling for help. But never took a statement from them until after they went on the news.

And information has come out indicating that the pistol was found with a full magazine and only the round in the chamber discharged- a malfunction that can be induced when an attacker grabs the defender's pistol PRIOR to it being discharged

You don't know guns do you? With a semi, if you fire a round. It will automatically load the next round out of the magazine into the chamber. So the magazine could not have been full.

you don't need to be bothered by things like "facts"

All you have said here. Is a lot of Bulls@it! NO FACTS at all.

Zimmerman is a paranoid driven nut case. He isn't law enforcement of any kind only neighborhood watch.

What is he doing with a gun? I have law enforcement in my family. He wants the publicity and now he has it.

charge him with at least 2nd degree murder. I wouldn't want him wandering my neighborhood. He's a loose

cannon looking for just this kind of incident.

Audrey how cwn you say he wants publicity? Have you seen him on camera at all. No he is in hiding. His lawyer just spoke for the first time. No one but the people investigating the case know what happened that night. How can any of us judge this person with out the facts. We are taking away his right for a fair trail by talking about it.

Gosh Toasty, once again looking to place blame. So now it was the NRA who killed him? The Florida legislature? How did they pull the trigger here? Oh, wait, I remember, you also said that the teaparty killed and wounded all those people in Tucson, the ones around Gabby Giffords. Never, ever, blame the person, always blame something else to further your agenda? So, if it is proven that the shooting was in self-defense, will you demand that people not be allowed to defend themselves?

Toasty, So then if you had the means to defend your self.....and some one threatened your or your families lives......you would offer up your self to appease the offenders and follow some passive law? Come here to Detroit.....you can walk off my porch and head east..... see how far you get.

A legal adviser to Zimmerman said the shooting had nothing to do with race.

"I asked him, 'Are you a racist? Do you have anything against black people?' and he said 'No'," Zimmerman's legal adviser, Craig Sonner, told CNN on Friday.

Zimmerman was told not to follow Martin, and he agreed not to follow Martin. Then he followed Martin anyway. So his word is worthless in terms of truth and trustworthiness

Add to that that he isn't going to admit to being racist -- the evidence proves that he is -- while facing possible prosecution for civil rights violations on the basis of racial discrimination.

As for those jabbering about "defending against" "gov't tyranny" with their pop-gun:

The gov't doesn't care about your pop-gun. The gov't isn't afraid of your pop-gun. The govv't has bazookas and artillery, planes and nukes. The gov't can take you out without ever being in range of your pop-gun. So keep clinging to the delusion, or telling the lie, that you need a gun in order to "defend against" not only overwhelming force, but also against the Constitution itself:

"US Con., Art. I., S. 8, C.15. The Congres (not the self-righteous law-illiterate private individual gun-nut) shall have Power To provide for calling forth the Militia to . . . SUPPRESS INSURRECTIONS."

Flnobody: The community where Zimmerman lived in did have a neighborhood watch program. The program was set up by the Sanford police dept. A representative of the Sanford police dept. came out to the community to establish the program, and at the same time, annointed Zimmerman as captain of the neighborhood watch. From a Christian Science Montior article about Zimmerman:

But Zimmerman's family, his neighbors and his lawyer paint a different picture: That of a devoted neighbor, keen enough to protect the neighborhood that residents, in establishing a local Neighborhood Watch group last year, appointed him the captain. The organization was not registered with the national Neighborhood Watch program, but was set up with the assistance of the Sanford Police Department. Zimmerman initiated the program, according to Wendy Dorival, the department's volunteer coordinator.

The only thing about this is that the neighborhood watch program wasn't registered. Also, as someone who has been on a neighborhood watch program, you are only supposed to do two things while on a watch: Observe and Report. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. You don't carry firearms, any weapons of any kind, you don't confront people whom you think may or may not be suspicious, you observe and report. If you see someone, for example, breaking into a house, you call the police. You don't try to apprehend the person commiting the act, unless you want to take a chance of getting hurt or killed yourself. The handbook that Zimmerman and many others who start neighborhood watch programs receive outline several times in the book about taking the law into your own hands, and the possible consequences of such acts. You are only there as the eyes and ears of the neighborhood, and to report anything suspicious. Period.

What if this was the scenario? -
Just What If?
Would it change things?

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Zimmerman approaches young Trayvon, they have a brief, two question conversation:

"Why are you following me"?
"What are you doing here?"

Neither question is answered.

Trayvon Martin turns and runs. George Zimmerman gives pursuit.

A lean 17 year old vs. a fat 28 year old. Trayvon gets away. Zimmerman loses him, and is headed back to his vehicle to await police.

Right now, nothing more needs to happen.

But something does. Young Trayvon circles back, and attacks Zimmerman from behind, hitting him in the head, and knocking him to the ground.

If this was the scenario, would this be the first act of violence? Would it be the first crime?

Just pretend - if this were the way things went down, would it be a rash decision on the part of the juvenile which was the culprit for the bad results? Or should Zimmerman still be hanged?

Do two wrongs ever make a right?

JNagarya,

Thanks for proving that you're as ignorant as those you profess to disagree with.

First off, the government DOES care about our "pop guns". The government IS afraid of our "pop guns". I realize it takes more intelligence than you possess to understand why, so I will educate you on exactly why you are dead wrong.

An armed populace is ALWAYS a threat to government rule. It doesn't matter how many tanks, bazookas and airplanes the government has. Don't believe me? Ask Ghadaffi about how well he did against the Libyan rebels, when he was the one with the tanks and heavy artillery.

Oh, that's right. He's dead.

I love mindless drones like you. Your emotionally driven bs overrides whatever minor intellect you happen to possess. Keep on deluding yourself if it helps you sleep at night though.

And the majority of us who own those "pop guns" care far more about the Constitution than YOU ever will. At least we understand it, when you obviously don't. And a lot of us so-called "gun nuts" are far more law literate than you are.

Just pretend - if this were the way things went down, would it be a rash decision on the part of the juvenile which was the culprit for the bad results? Or should Zimmerman still be hanged?

That's a lot of "What if's". What if Zimmerman grabbed Trayvon before Trayvon could run? That would make Zimmerman the aggressor. If some fat guy who's clearly not a cop asks me what I'm doing in his neighborhood and then grabs me before I can run, then I have every right to defend myself.

Since when did one man with a gun become an insurrection? Better go check under your bed for insurrectionists. I am sure the police where you live can be there in minutes but in rural sections of this country you are going to wait 20 minutes minimun. I know one town that only has one full time cop on his day off you get the mayor not very intimidating holding down the fort until the sheriff comes from 20 miles away. So castle laws make sense and so do damn big dogs.

Since when did one man with a gun become an insurrection? Better go check under your bed for insurrectionists. I am sure the police where you live can be there in minutes but in rural sections of this country you are going to wait 20 minutes minimun. I know one town that only has one full time cop on his day off you get the mayor not very intimidating holding down the fort until the sheriff comes from 20 miles away. So castle laws make sense and so do damn big dogs.

Castle laws aren't relevant here. "Stand your ground" laws are, there's a huge difference between the two.

"Murder law?" Perhaps you can quote the law to us, so we can all see just how much you know. Another whiny brain dead poster screams out his ignorance. If you are going to post drivel, which you obviously have, at least have the common decency to have the slightest clue about that which you speak.

Just to help you out, and keep you from looking like a complete maroon, I'll give you a little help. It is a self defense law. One which protects people from possible death. It does not protect the guilty. And if Zimmerman is guilty he will be sentenced 25 years to life with no parole.

If the scenario were true, lolfattynerdswhoknew, would it still be right to hang Zimmerman?

It's good to know that no matter what the scenario, it's ok to take Zimmerman out.

If the scenario were true, lolfattynerdswhoknew, would it still be right to hang Zimmerman?

It's good to know that no matter what the scenario, it's ok to take Zimmerman out.

Are you saying we shouldn't put him behind bars even if he murdered someone in cold blood? I don't think you understand how this whole "law" thing works.

schoolyard

I knew Al Sharpton would jump all over this as soon as the cameras start rolling!

schoolyard,

What should Al Sharpton be doing...whistling " I wish I was in Dixie, hooray, hooray"...in support of Zimmerman?

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If Zimmerman was black nobody would have ever heard about Trayvon.

The crimes that African Americans comitt against other African Americans are a result of the vestiges of racism. African Americans know that by the system, Black life is unfortunately deemed meaningless.

Zimmerman's legal adviser, Craig, appears as racist as Zimmerman appears. Zimmerman disobeyed the police order that night to stay in his car. Instead, he chased after the boy. That act in itself does not sound as if he were threatened or intimidated. He shot first and didn't even call out for Martin to stop or stand still. But then this is the behavior you get when there are no real "Gun Laws" and bigotry still exists, esp. in FL. So much for that new law in FL, which isn't any better than FL's voting machines or elections. My sympathy goes out to this family with the loss of their young son, and to any of the other black families when a similar event happens.

lolfattynerdswhoknew -

No. I'm only asking your opinion on the matter. If the scenario outlined above were true, would it still be ok to hang Zimmerman?

I bet if the victim were white, the shooter would be brought to justice. But then FL has laws that are as backward as their voting machines and elections.

Amusing, so many possible scenarios, so many what-if's and nobody know for a fact what happened but they are ever so ready to 'hang' Zimmerman, they want to be judge, jury and executioners. They want him to be guilty, they need him to be guilty, the only problem with all the multiple 'what if's' is that they may just kill an innocent man. Who knew that the black community would be so willing to convict someone before a trial could happen, before a jury could hear any evidence and before said jury could pass sentence. If any group should be wary of 'vigilante justice' it should be the black community. Now, before you get all postal here, there are black militant groups offering a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman.

freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, freedom of religious worship, and the right to bear arms

Make The

us a better place.

The right to bare arms is the second amendment from the US constitution.

'A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.'

It means that people were able to keep guns to protect themselves and the country if the British attack again.( I think this is the Grey area need to be ( REFINE )

Since there's no danger that the British will to attack the Country ,this second Amendment need to be refine as stated in Constitution only the Regulated Militia ,the Military and Police have the right,or Citizen must attended 3 months compulsory the right Responsibility Course of handling fire arms and permits are issues base on 2 year expiry date or Just abolish this Citizens right IF they refused to attend this course as from the US constitution.

As freedom of speech, freedom of the press,The Individual must be allowed to challenge those making wild allegations,slandering,lies to the court, till to the truth without this constitution protections.If allowed,then it makes sense whether its "Fox Entertainment" or " Fox news" what they want it to be ,"real news or slander news" ,It doesn't matters,its to up the readers to decides.

Wizard of Wisdom (post #2.20):

So … you own a pop gun, and that makes you an expert on the Constitution? That’s all it takes? Wow. I guess getting a law degree is a waste of effort and money. Maybe instead of the Supreme Court, we should leave all constitutional decisions up to you. Oh, that’s right … the Supreme Court is mandated by that Constitution you claim to know so much about.

FYI, The government IS the Constitution. And the Constitution does NOT fear your pop gun – in fact, it allows you to own it. Almost every country in the world has now granted its citizens the right to bear arms. The USA was simply the FIRST country to constitutionally guarantee that.

You certainly handed out those insults though. Whenever you start insulting someone, you reveal that your argument is weak. If your argument was strong, you wouldn’t need to use insults to prop it up or to disguise its weakness.

Now I have a Constitutional question for you: when the Constitution doesn’t specifically address a matter in res, to what does it defer?

25Walker,

The crimes that African Americans comitt against other African Americans are a result of the vestiges of racism

What an utter copout!! So it's all Whitey's fault huh? No self-responsibility for all the African-Americans huh? No holding people account for their actions? Wow, you REALLY live in Delusion Land don't you?

Of course, it's people like you that will excuse anything and everything as long as it can be blamed on somebody else. Small wonder the country is in the mess it's in. No ownership of your actions, no self-responsibility. It's always BLAME SOMEBODY ELSE!!

You know what the saddest thing is? You probably honestly believe that lunacy you spouted. Unfortunately, there are a lot of others that believe as you do.

What a terrible way to go through life.

Jim,

Thanks for proving your total ignorance of the Constitution.

I have news for you genius. The government IS NOT the Constitution. The government derives its power FROM the Constitution. The government is supposed to FOLLOW the Constitution.

Considering what the Constitution SAYS and what the government DOES, that isn't the case anymore. As for the Supreme Court, they haven't exactly followed the Constitution all of the time either, but that's for another discussion.

Come back when you have something more intelligent to say...and yeah, I can hurl insults too. Just like you did.

lolfattynerdswhoknew -

No. I'm only asking your opinion on the matter. If the scenario outlined above were true, would it still be ok to hang Zimmerman?

Again with the "hanging" . . .

If the scenario were true, then he should be charged with something less than 1st degree murder, but he should not get off scot-free without facing a trial whatsoever. At this point the problem is that he has not faced a trial.

Jack335

you almost can type an English sentence there. You have no clue what you are talking about. This discussion is NOT about gun ownership. Come back when you can write a coherent sentence and paragraph.

In the mean time

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2012/national-right-to-carry-reciprocity-act-of-2012-introduced-in-us-senate.aspx

Who knew that the black community would be so willing to convict someone before a trial could happen, before a jury could hear any evidence and before said jury could pass sentence. If any group should be wary of 'vigilante justice' it should be the black community. Now, before you get all postal here, there are black militant groups offering a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman.

I don't think you actually know what any of those words mean.

And by the way Jim,

In answer to your question, anything not specifically listed as a duty or power of the federal government is delegated to the States. However, that also doesn't happen much these days.

His death is a rallying cry for both black and white people. This should not be a story about race, it should be a story about justice. There are whites protesting beside blacks. The media is promoting race because it sells news.

Thanks to the racial divisiveness: The New Black Panthers now are calling for Zimmerman to be taken Dead or Alive and offering a $10K bounty on his head. Where is the media outrage against this???????? The police aren't stepping in and saying putting a hit on an American citizen is illegal either.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11778354-wanted-dead-or-alive-poster-issued-for-george-zimmerman-by-new-black-panther-party

The Black Panthers are well known (google it) for the killing and wounding of over 60 police officers in the late 60's. Quite a few of those officers were targeted ONLY because they wore a police officer uniform. Now this group has the nerve to speak of unjust targeting????? Again where is the media criticism??

It's just sad that the death of this child has become a circus and eventually will be forgotten in the media promoted hatred.

the New Panther Party has put out a bounty on George Zimmerman. This will only incite and already explosive situation. I hope and pray that cooler heads prevail. This is already a tragedy.

lolfattyetc: I know exactly what those words mean, I wrote them. Now, if you have difficulty with reading comprehension, well...practice reading.

Notice that you don't make any assumptions that perhaps no charges should be filed, but then, perhaps you are in posession of all the facts in this matter, determining the outcome that you demand must happen can only mean that you have the all the facts and know exactly what happened.

At this point the problem is that he has not faced a trial.

Drew Peterson spent two years before being arrested, and he still hasn't been to trial. Another investigation is underway, and the Grand Jury will consider the results next month.

No, I blame them for creating the law that has let this murderer escape justice.

It's amazing how people have 'convicted' Zimmerman without having even a sliver of the facts in the case.

Perhaps we should take a deep breath and wait until the investigation is completed, and we might be surprised when all of the facts are known.

And at a protest in Sanford, Fla., where the shooting took place, members of the New Black Panther Party announced they are offering a $10,000 reward for the "capture" of George Zimmerman, the man whot shot Martin. When asked if he was inciting violence, the group's leader, Mikhail Muhammad, said, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth," the Orlando Sentinel reported.

So the Black Panthers who are offering this bounty need arrested for inciting a lynching. They're vigilantes now. Amazing how many people are anti-courts system when it doesn't fit into who they want lynched. This is like the Casey Anthony case...yeah, she was guilty, but the alternative is lynch mobbery. You either want a court system or not. It will never be perefect, but it's that or nothing...and you don't get to support it until it doesn't suit you, then conveniently call for lynching. Arrest the Black Panthers in question for inciting violence, lynching, and vigilantism In my State those laws are on the books...let's hope they are in Florida too.

Martin's family believes he was killed in part because he was black.

Well that's an opinion. It seems in the 911 call Zimmerman didn't know the race of the hoodie wearing Trayvon until he walked toward Zimmerman, at which time he told the 911 operator who was asking Trayvon's race that the 17 year old was in fact a black male. When you wear a hoodie in the rain it's hard to see what race you are...I know, I wear hoodies constantly.

It's possible Zimmerman was racist, but it's not a sure thing...nor is it why he called the police. He called the cops because he was a pranoid loser. No one calls the cops, neighborhood watch or not, for someone walking in the rain and having a hoodie on. Only a nutcase paranoid loser does that. Then he told the 911 caller "they always get away"...as if walking in the rain with a hoodie on was a crime! It's clearly not a crime, a waste of a 911 call, and a waste of police resources.

This paranoid mindset is why this escalated to gunshot victim and a possible murder (I say it's murder). Zimmerman is mentally ill and really percieved a threat...that wasn't there. He followed Trayvon, even after the 911 operator told him not too. In my State that means Zimmerman caused the problem. Even with our Castle Law ans "stand your ground law" (which I support) that makes Zimmerman the aggressor, and therefore responsible for all that follows. His paranoia caused this.

The only two facts in question that need to be discovered are these:

1. Did Zimmerman follow Trayvon and confront him as he was walking on his way.

2. Did Zimmerman cause Trayvon to defend himself in a physical confrontation, or did Trayvon attack Zimmerman unprovoked.

If Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, that's possibly enoug to make allow that follows a felony...on Zimmerman's head.

If Zimmerman caused Trayvon to defend himself, then Trayvom was the victim of a murder. If Trayvon (by some WEIRD chance) attacked Zimmerman, and Zimmerman's confrontation wasn't impeding Trayvon's travel or a physical confrontation, then Trayvon caused his own death legally.

I doubt very seriously a man (Zimmerman) who was clearly paranoid (his state of mind is demonstrated in calling 911 to begin with, and by saying "they always get away" when there was no crime) didn't start this problem...so in my mind it's 99% Zimmerman murdered Trayvon.

My support for the gun laws does not change, and this whole movement should NOT turn into anti-gun nonsense. To do so, it will lose credibility. These laws DO NOT legalize murder AT ALL. They legalize self defense. That is likely not what Zimmerman did. This is bad police work, not a bad law. Suprise, the police suck at their job. Why do you think that is?

Because they have no competition, a complete monopoly on violence. This ALWAYS leads to higher costs and crappier service.

You lefties risk chasing away allies on this issue by constantly attacing the law, not your beloved government employees and union members...the cops. This an issue of bad police work, and maybe racist police...but not necessarily a racist murderer (although it is possible), or a bad law. If you want us to help you quit attacking our gun rights.

And for those crying about the NRA...they didn't put these laws in place, nor did they support the Heller case going to the Supreme Court years ago. Why? Because the NRA hates universal gun rights...they NEVER wanted blacks to have the right to bear arms with whites. Hence, the original Black Panthers had my support for their declaration that they had the RIGHT to arm themselves and walk around in public carrying openly (open-carry) just like whites. This is why I'm STRONGLY pro-gun rights, and in fact for concealed carry, not just open carry...but I'm ANTI-NRA.

Stop turning this into a circle jerk of anti-gun nonsense...focus on the fact this was likely (I'm 99% sure) a murder. The fickle, stupid, and violent mob can only lead to lynching...and that isn't cool no matter who is lynched. And self defense should always be legal, and should of been from the start. The law is NOT the problem, the cops and prosecutors are.

After hearing that the New Black Panthers have put a bounty on Zimmerman, how can anyone who does not call for their immediate arrest for attempted murder for hire sleep at night? Enough is enough with these clowns. They take bats to white voters and now this. You people scream about injustice and ignore this. Where is your outrage? If the KKK put a bounty on someone you would all scream bloody murder. What gives?

To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.

T Roosevelt

Toasty: Et tu? Wait, I thought you were a liberal? Guess not. Only teacons (or whatever derogatory terms you use) are out there ready to convict someone before all the facts are in. Guess you're a closet teapug? Tearuglitan..tearepug...nevermind...

Thanks to the racial divisiveness: The New Black Panthers now are calling for Zimmerman to be taken Dead or Alive and offering a $10K bounty on his head. Where is the media outrage against this???????? The police aren't stepping in and saying putting a hit on an American citizen is illegal either.

"WANTED!!! For the murder of Trayvon Martin... ALIVE, not dead or harmed," the poster read.

You fail at reading comprehension.

news.yahoo.com/10-000-reward-offered-us-black-teens-killer-201659364.html

@proindividual,

Take a few minutes to read all the information on the setting if you would. The area had been burglarized several times by black youths. This is a possible cause for the paranoia.

Lets think about this for a second. The reason the neighborhood watch was formed was because the area had been robbed several times by young black men. Think about that for a second. Your neighbors had been robbed by a group of black teens, and you see a black teen walking through the area alone talking on the phone. Are you going to sit back and let him look around randomly or are you going to call the cops.

Zimmerman was told to not follow. His response was that they always get away. Hmm.. sounds like he had called the cops in the past and by the time the cops arrived the supsects were gone. Would you follow them to see where the boy was going in case the cops did not arrive in time. So sorry for using my head for something other than a hat rack.

People Think, not everything in this case has been revealed. But as far as the public are concerned the man is guilty and will probably die before the trial is even considered. Where is the justice then.

Suppose, that Zimmerman saw him as a possible thief and approached him with his gun in his pocket. Trayvon sees only a hispanic giving him lip and throws the first punch. In the fight Zimmerman pulls his pistol and fires it into the boy, killing him. Is that murder or self-defense?

To those stating that the posters calling for Zimmerman Dead or Alive, don't say dead, guess again.Simply type Zimmerman Dead or Alive posters into your search engine. Lots and lots of examples of those posters out there.

Britt, That's irrelevant.

You can't profile by race...you racist.

It's paranoia. I don't care if it was burglarized that day...walking in the rain with a hoodie up is NOT a crime, or grounds to call the cops...unless you're a paranoid weirdo.

I grew up in ghetto dude, we wouldn't call the cops for that and we had more reason to be suspicious than this upscale neighborhood.

You're making excuses for racial profiling, PERIOD.

And the neighborhood watch wasn't formed for that reason...he called the cops literally 4 dozen times in the recent months. He's paranoid!!!

It couldn't be more clear.

I've been robbed twice...so don't presume to tell me how this guy wasn't paranoid...PERIOD.

Him saying "they always get away" is clear paranoia. Get away with what? Walking in the rain with a hood up? It's ridiculous. Criminals get away everyday...but they're commiting CRIMES. This loon was paranoid.

He's guilty in my eyes because he FOLLOWED the kid and likely either laid his hands on him or impeded histravel physically. Unless facts come out to the contrary, all his statements in the 911 call back up that theory.

Your theory of what happened doesn't fit the facts. It's possible, but highly unlikely.

And you've already said that racial profiling (which I don't think Zimmerman even did) is okay with you. You've eliminated yourself from having any rational opinion on the subject. Zimmerman didn't know his race when he called 911...so not only is your opinion on racial profiling racist, it doesn't even fit the case here.

When asked if he was inciting violence, the group's (New Black Panthers) leader, Mikhail Muhammad, said, "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."

Where is the outrage? When it's hate speech from the Left it's always excuses that I hear. There are obviously moderates on that side but the cacophony from the rabid extremes drowns it out.

To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.

T Roosevelt

Strange. My post appears to be missing. I suppose the truth hurts more than just agreeing and throwing the race card everywhere. Sigh. Whatever. Remember folks, it's criminal to be a white man in the USA.

bicfj

If Zimmerman the shooter had been black and Travon the victim had been white...

Zimmerman the black would have been arrested, in jail, and well on his way to a trial and a conviction.

And Travon the white victim would become another sainted victim of black violence.

There is one BIG difference, and what ive been talking about all along. If this was a case of a Black Killing a White, there would be NO charge of Racism, there would be NO media blitz, NO Presidential input, NO national rally s. and if you believe that then you will understand why i say ALL this attention and outrage is Racism against Whites. No one CARES when Black kills White, or Black Kills Black, but white kills Black and you get all this outrage, thats pure Racism. and its against Whites.

People like toasty and his ilk just HAVE to blame someone or something. Nevermind that it might be good for the rest of the people and this is an unusual situation, just blame and bitch and moan. Liberals............................................

I know, what sort of pinko commie wants justice to be served in a murder...?

So, Jack, when will you be taking your freedom of speech class so you will be qualified to speak????

Well toasty, why don't we wait to see IF it IS a murder????

All reasonable people want justice.

Unfortunately, people like Toasty aren't interested in due process of law. They are interested in seeing results of their belief system. Doesn't matter if they're left wingers or right wingers. They demand instant justice and are not interested in the truth, the facts or the REAL police work involved to determine what laws were violated.

Toasty and people who believe like they do claim that murder was committed. Really? Were they there? Did they witniss it directly? The answer is no. They get their information second hand from the media and think that they KNOW what happened. Unfortunately, this is true of most people on most issues.

Please allow the REAL experts and the REAL law enforcement officials to do their job. You are neither qualified nor in any position to judge this issue in a rational, LEGAL manner.

As for the Black Panthers, they need to be publically condemned for offering a bounty on Zimmerman. It is not their place to play vigilantes or foment vigilantism. They are simply adding to the problems surrounding this issue.

Condemn them...or consider yourselves hypocrites if you claim to believe in justice.

The same kind of 'pinko commie' who calls for 'justice' before all the facts in the case are known.

Well, Mr Zimmerman would not have need to pull the B.S. line of selfdefence had he followed the instructions of the police dispatcher, to NOT FOLLOW HIM in the first place. But no he was going to take charge of the suspicious looking person,( in his own neighborhood). He was armed and looking for a confrontation.

freedman1 # 2.19

But something does. Young Trayvon circles back, and attacks Zimmerman from behind, hitting him in the head, and knocking him to the ground.

I have to disagree to the scenario that you laid out I know one thing I would have ran home to my dad and told him of the things that had transpired and then called the police on Zimmerman, not attacked him as you say MIGHT have happened or WHAT IF. (One more excuse for the defence lawyer ) An a teen would not go after a man of that size that is what dad is for. And I do know that is not a WHAT IF. He is trying to use a law to his advantage,that does not apply.

Okay here is your answer Yes! He does desirve to get arrested,he was the Instgator in this Tragidy. He did not follow the instructions from the police dispatcher. Had he done that one simple thing Travon would be alive today.

So, kilroy, you just KNOW that he deserves to be arrested!! Great, so much for letting the police do their job.................................

WE live in Myrtle Beach where our friends had their son shot in the back a few years back during black bike week when he asked some guys not to park in his yard and when he turned to go back to the house one of the guys shot him in the back and killed him , it never got this kind of publicty or the president say anything about it , I guess because he was white and the shooter was black , they have trouble every year during bike week , I think Al Sharpton needs to bring his butt down here and see what goes on, but he and Jessie only see what they want to.

Britt Carter

@proindividual,

Take a few minutes to read all the information on the setting if you would. The area had been burglarized several times by black youths. This is a possible cause for the paranoia.

This may be a reason for concern, but it is not a reason to disregard the rules that govern community watch volunteers nor the instructions from the 911 dispatcher. Zimmerman acted recklessly and whether or not he is convicted of any crime he needlessly too actions that resulted in the death of an innocent young man.

Here's a question for you: How did they know that the neighborhood was burglarized by black youths if they did not catch the burglars? Here's another: do all black youths need to be responsible for something other black youths did? Zimmerman was irrational and so are you.

Here's a question for you: How did they know that the neighborhood was burglarized by black youths if they did not catch the burglars? Here's another: do all black youths need to be responsible for something other black youths did? Zimmerman was irrational and so are you.

We don't have those details in the news or any reports so far on the burglars.

Do all hispanics/whites have to suffer for what Zimmerman did?

don97524,

Your own comments are irrational so I wouldn't be calling others irrational if I were you.

First off, just because they were not caught does not mean they were not identified. Skin color is far easier to identify than actual facial features. Someone sees a person or persons breaking into their car or into someone's home, the odds are that the most identifiable features will be the color of their clothes and the color of their skin. That's not an opinion, that's a statistical fact.

Catching them is another matter entirely. Please exercise some common sense sometime.

Also, your question about all black youths being responsible is irrelevant. Britt Carter was referring to "possible causes of paranoia". They said nothing about agreeing or disagreeing with Zimmerman's actions. They merely referred to a possible cause for the paranoia.

Please actually attempt to understand what someone else says before you start calling them irrational. It'll help keep you from looking foolish in the future.

usa1967 So much for letting the police do their job LOL!

They did not do their job Mr. usa1967 that is why there is such an outcry DUH! And if they would have done their job as you call it, praytell why was the F.B.I. called in HMMM! And he disobeyed their instructions and went after the boy You make me sick with your thinking. I did not say that he should get life or 20 years. Fact is, he took it upon his own to cause this and someone died. And I suppose you know better and he was justified in the killing even though he was the instigator.

From your comments it would seem that you are the one that knows it all. So your 45 and still have not learned anything.

lolfattynerdswhoknew... Look at the link I provided and the sign says "Dead or Alive" perhaps you should read more closely before commenting? There are videos of posters being held saying that by demonstrators and audio of one of the panthers saying it.

Even the taking of someone by force except by law enforcement for violating the law is considered kidnapping and that is illegal. It's just asking for more innocent people to get killed.

"Honestly, I don't know how any member of the NRA or the Florida state legislature who voted for this "Shoot First" law can sleep at night. I may never understand how these people can look themselves in the mirror." Probably as well as Eric Holder with Fast and Furious

Sorry Wiz, but I'm the one calling for an investigation, that makes me the one on the side of the law.

No, Toasty, you're not calling for an investigation, you're calling for a witch hunt because according to yours and many other posts by others, you guys have your minds made up. An investigation implies that all the facts will be considered and obviously from the national outrage calling for his kidnap and murder, you guys have already decided guilt and are ready to move on to the sentencing phase. Vigilantism is no more honorable when you practice it than when he allegedly did. Someone honestly calling for an investigation would be pointing out the standard presumption of innocence.

Wizard of Wisdom,

Thank you for posting a masterpiece of self-contradiction.

“The government is supposed to FOLLOW the Constitution”

I’m glad you agree with me. Yes, the Constitution governs us, so our Constitution is our government. Next?

“In answer to your question, anything not specifically listed as a duty or power of the federal government is delegated to the States.”

The real answer to my question, by the way, is English Common Law.

Also, better brush up on the fourteenth and fifteenth amendments, since they take precedence over the tenth.

Now, I advise you to follow your own advice. It is not ME hurling insults; these came from you, and I now return them.

"I have news for you genius. Come back when you have something more intelligent to say."

You say "Nobody raises an eyebrow over black-on-black murder." You should have said "Nobody raises an eyebrow over black-on-black murder where the murderer is not charged by the police when the police have him in custody." Are you saying that this situation is commonplace? I would hope not (but, since you are saying that it is not reported, I guess I wouldn't hear about it).

No need to wonder why this case is getting so much press. 1.7 million people agree that the incompetence and blatant racism in the Sanford Police Dept. has to stop. Had they done their job by investigating the shooting, charged and arrested Zimmerman we probably wouldn't have learned of this news. However because they did absolutely NOTHING the Sanford Police will be investigated too. Why the national outcry? Injustices such as these have been taking place for far too long, the public is outraged and now the FBI is involved.

I do agree with what you said about Sharpeton and Jackson. The more stink they generate, the more money they receive in donations. Why doesn't Faux Noise interview them, and ask them point blank, why don't you show up when a black kills a black? Why don't you show up when a white kills a white? Etc etc.

But none of the corporate news, owned by corporations, will do so.

I don't really know if this argument, which I see again and again, is sincere or just hateful. But I'll give the benefit of doubt, and answer: The reason this is national news is not the murder per se, tragic as it was. It is because George Zimmerman got away with murder, courtesy of the Sanford PD. If he was black, there's no chance in hell that he would have not been jail since day 1.

Sally Ann, the reason that everyone is so outraged has little to do with whether the shooter was black too, or if both the shooter and victim had been white. people are angry because the police department under whose jurisdiction this happened gave only the most cursory check of this murder and then closed the book on it. the only reason there is even a hope of justice in this case is because a national political activist or two DID choose to get involved when the family of the victim begged them to do so. this law has been used to protect multiple questionable shootings and killings that were white on white- but no white political activists were able to get any traction on this issue. why? maybe because of the stranglehold that the NRA and Republicans have over the governance of Florida?

the REAL villain in this whole sad story is this awful 'Stand Your Ground' law. this is not the first time that an aggressor has been allowed to walk away scot free after provoking confrontation and then shooting someone in Florida since this law was enacted. it is a dream gift to any of the gun-happy yoyo's with a persecution complex and a lack of impulse control who then go out and qualify for a concealed carry permit. the best thing that can come out of this whole sad situation is not just justice for this one dead kid (and I pray he gets it), but that the validity of this and similar laws can be really called out into the open and hopefully done away with. this type of law goes far beyond the 'Castle Law' principle and sets the stage for egregious murder.

I'm a "gun happy" yo-yo I guess.......... lol Proud member of the NRA.

Please cite references for the "cases" you mention. We will be waiting.........

You wrote "How many people are murdered in the US each year? Why no outcry for them? And Jack Smith his correct. Nobody raises an eyebrow over black-on-black murder."

The difference is black-on-black murders are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. See, that's the thing, this case wasn't..... even though they knew who did it. Bottom line, Zimmerman was fed up because there was something like 14 burglaries in the last 12 months and most of them were done by black males. He assumed Trayvon was one of those criminals. That's why on the 911 tape he says in frustration "THESE @#$%*&$! ALWAYS GET AWAY!

Think about it, if he's going to confront and stop a criminal from getting away he would have to use force! What else is he going to do, stop him with his words? So he went after the teen physically engaged him and got more than he bargained for. Once he lost control of the situation when Trayvon fought back he pulled his weapon and shot him. We know that Zimmerman struck Trayvon first because.....

1.) it only makes sense due to the fact Zimmerman intended to STOP what he perceived as a CRIMINAL from getting away.

2.)Trayvon's girlfriend who was on the phone at the time states that her boyfriend was approached by Zimmerman, words were exchanged, Trayvon was shoved and his phone dropped and the call went dead.

The police felt compelled to let their friend Zimmerman go free, because he has been a great help to them in solving crimes. He is a brother to them. That's why they didn't bother to drug test him (routine for a murder case). That's why they corrected witness statements to fit his version of events. That's why ABC News had to pull Trayvon's cell phone records 3 weeks after the murder and not the police when it happened. This Police Dept, has a history of looking the other way when one of it's own or a relative of one of it's own does something illegal.

Black youths should be alot more scared of other black youths than white racists. They take alot more lives.

kahrcarrier just about every member of my family is also a gun happy yo-yo as well. but I was raised that your relationship with guns is the business of you, your guns, and whomever you choose to shoot with- not something that you run around yapping about in public or on the internet. if you want to brag on your 'persecution complex and lack of impulse control' as well, go right ahead! and when you decide to kill some innocent person just cause you feel like it, maybe you will get away with it too. or maybe not.

and if you're curious about the tripling of the cases of 'self-defense' shootings/killings in Florida since this law was enacted, then use your own d**n keyboard and google. there's been several investigative pieces done on that subject during the last week. if you actually give a crap you'll find the info yourself, just like I did

bicfj,

Wow, you're a regular tyrant huh?

Guns except hunting guns aren't needed in a civilized society? I love egotistical self-righteous fools like you. So, because we like guns, that somehow makes us uncivilized? Hah, thanks for the compliment. Take your "civilized" society and shove it up your fourth point of contact.

I'm a law-abiding citizen, as well as a former law enforcement officer. I've forgotten more about weapons handling and weapons safety than you will ever know. Your comment is ignorant and based on nothing but your emotionally driven viewpoint. It has nothing to do with logic.

Please consider how illogical and asinine your comment is. If you attempt to make guns illegal to own, then you will make a lot more "criminals". I'm not a violent person, but I will cheerfully go to war against anyone dumb enough to attempt to take away my guns JUST because a bunch of idiots think it's a good idea.

Don't violate MY rights because YOU don't like guns.

This case get the media attention because of the manner of which the murder was committed when Zimmerman was told to stay in his car. But Zimmerman had to be macho rather than so intimidated as he claimed to have been.

The wizard of Wisdom

Guns except hunting guns aren't needed in a civilized society? I love egotistical self-righteous fools like you. So, because we like guns, that somehow makes us uncivilized? Hah, thanks for the compliment. Take your "civilized" society and shove it up your fourth point of contact.

Yep real civilized there. Perhaps is is because of attitudes like yours some of us find the need to defend ourselves from "civilized" folks.

How many people are murdered in the US each year?

Between 11,000 and 13,000 a year on average...by guns. It's higher if you add in other causes of death.

But there are 100,000,000 legal gun owners, and more than 75% of all gun murders are done by criminals, not legal gun owners.

Even if we ignore the 75%+ criminal caused murders, and just divide the 12,000 (average) gun murders by the 100,000,000 legal gun owners (who own 200,000,000 guns combined legally), we get .012% (not 1.2%) of gun owners kill someone.

That means 99.988% of gun owners murder NO ONE. We can't try to say guns are major problem in society if we think rationally and logically. We'd limit the rights of 99.988% for what less than .012% do (and remember, that's ignoring that over 3/4 of those murders are NOT by law abiding gun owners).

That's fascism, tyranny, or whatever you want to call it. It's a nonsense threat to your life.

Gun murder kills 12,000 Americans a year...the flu kills 33,000. End of rational argument.

trust verify,

You wouldn't need to defend yourselves from people like me if you didn't try to violate my rights just because you don't happen to like guns.

Leave me alone and I'll be more than happy to leave you alone. Try and take my legal right to own a gun away just because you don't want people to own guns...and then we'll have a problem.

I'm not interested in being "civilized". I'm interested in my freedom and the rights granted to me under the Constitution. Screw with either at your own peril.

Pro Individual and Wizard of Wisdom.........................I just gotta say VERY WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I couldn't express it better if I tried!!

In response to 2.62

usa1967 So much for letting the police do their job LOL!

They did not do their job Mr. usa1967 that is why there is such an outcry DUH! And if they would have done their job as you call it, pray tell why was the F.B.I. called in HMMM! And he disobeyed their instructions and went after the boy You make me sick with your thinking. I did not say that he should get life or 20 years. Fact is, he took it upon his own to cause this and someone died. And I suppose you know better and he was justified in the killing even though he was the instigator.

From your comments it would seem that you are the one that knows it all. So your 45 and still have not learned anything.

#2.67 - Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:42 PM EDT

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From all your other comments they are one liners or two lines not much of an opinion in your head is there. He asked a hypothetical question, I gave him an answer. I can wait for due process but it will have to come from an outside source since the local good ol' boys can't do their job right in the first place. Now they too will be investigated.

I could very easily pull you on top of me and yell out for help and then pullout my pistol,pull the trigger and make it look like I was defending myself and you were the one that was in the wrong. I wanted to make sure you got my response back to your one liner.

@ bicfj

It is finally time now.

To investigate and restrict the NRA that can cause such damaging legislation. That regularly results in repeated headlines of more and more people being killed by people who have access to guns. And don't have the common sense to know what they are doing when they reach for these guns. It is time to arm the police with the most effective guns until all the bad gun users are removed from the scene. Then the police will only need non-lethal restraints in their work. Guns except hunting guns are not needed in a civilized society. If the NRA would be de-fanged a civilized society could be reached.

You are delusional aren't you.

From the words of the late Charlton Heston.

"FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!" Then, you can have my guns. But not mine they'll go to another family member Just like my dads guns went to me an my brother!

Trayvon Martin may not be so innocent, there is more to the story we have not heard. Typically people don’t get shot without any reason. This is NOT a race issue as the media portrays. Zimmerman, a Hispanic guy, may have actually been defending himself. But of course it's a field day when someone kills an African American. If you want to look like a "gangsta" that rapes, robs, and murders innocent people, then you have to accept peoples (well considered) assumptions of, "this is what trouble looks like". It would be the no different than a Caucasian dressed as “trouble”. I would be on my guard and be ready to deal with the perceived threat – no matter the skin color. Call it human nature or animal instinct – either way it is survival skills. I am sosick of the race card being pulled. Simply stated: act like good people and people will treat you good.

It’s unfortunate that we racial profile. But, if you look at the crime in the U.S. you will see the majority of it is done by African Americans. Blackon white murder is 18 times greater than white on black. Same with the prison populations - they are full of African Americans. This is life. African Americans never take responsibility for anything. It is because of their high crime rate that people, like Zimmerman, are created. And look at all of the black on black crime. That is how most young black men are killed. And yet we have outrage over Trayvon because the shooter is non-black and it allows the media to exploit this and get people all excited.

It leaves me to wonder why we never here of such outrage (with organized demonstrations leading to presidential comments) over the constant drive by shootings and random murders of black teenagers. Granted most of these shootings are done by blacks against other blacks. But there are plenty of times that innocent whites get killed by blacks – whether by mistake, under false suspicion, or at the wrong place at the wrong time. Where are President Obama’s comments about how this could be “his son” with the immediate Justice Department investigation and the organized “million hoodie marches” springing up in cities? Can you imagine the media outrage if a white teenager had been shot by a black vigilante and President Bush said, "That young man could be my son." The double standard and constant play of the race card is getting really old and people are seeing through it.

Lonnie Fester, I find your post very offensive and guess what, I'm a 65 yr. old white woman that wears my hoodie whenever I need it!! This case is about a white/hispanic wanna-be cop, who ignored the dispatchers telling him that he didn't need to follow this young man!!! ThePD in Sanford, FL., should be held accountable for their non-action that night!!! Even in a police-involved shooting, the officers gun is taken away immediately, but they didn't take Zimmerman's, did they? And your comment about Africian Americans never take responsibility about anything is just pure BS!!! I know whites and hispanics that do the same thing, so you are racial profiling!!!

Great input and you are absolutely correct. People are seeing thru the race card play. It IS getting very old and when this Justice Dept is out in 2012 (hopefully) we will get a real Justice Dept in that doesn't go down and guarantee a family a verdict. When there is a black on white crime, they sit back and do nothing and again, you are correct, blacks commit the majority of the crimes. Look at the prisons and look at some of the larger cities like LA, DC, Birmingham and Montgomery, AL, Chicago, Memphis, and the list goes on. The day is coming when the race card isn't going to work and I am sick of Sharpie and Jesse running their mouths every time they get a chance to be in front of a camera. We haven't heard all the facts in this case yet so right now this is just all the blacks demonstrating on just the fact that a black kid was killed without knowing all the facts involved. But hey, anything for a demonstration (it's been so long since they've had one) and the Black Panthers?? Now there's an org a race should be proud of!! It puts the black race in one big picture frame. I don't know if or when we will get all the facts of this case but I don't think we have them now. But, I agree with you, if this were a black on white murder, we wouldn't be talking about it now because it wouldn't even be in the papers and the Justice Dept wouldn't be involved--and we would all know why.

ANY decent human being of ANY color should be disgusted and outraged by the legalized murder of an unarmed teenager chased down by the supposed "victim" for the crime of walking in a neighborhood. If you can't see that truth, you can't see anything.

Every time you see a crime, someone has a "hoodie" on. To conceal their identity, of course. LETS make hoodies illegal...haha..How about no hats in a bank whatsoever.....This will reduce bank roberries substantially. Never happen as banks are too scared to 'offend" customers.

I am upset by what happened to the Martin kid but I'm old enough to remember the riots of the 60's and the aftermath of the Rodney King trial. Waking up to Nat Guard patrolling your neighborhood with mounted machine guns isn't fun. Watching a young father pulled from his car and beaten in front of his wife and child on national tv wasn't fun. And hearing Blacks say that was justified because of the rage caused by racism made me understand nobody will care if they kill me at a time like that. You won't see the feds come if it is you at a time like that. Eric Holder says discrimination can't happen to us they won't file a case on his watch. So when they get upset and kill you you're just f--ked.

Lonereb: I'm also old enough to remember the Rodney King beating and the fact that after the riots and burnings and beatings and killings, the truth came out. King was higher than a kite, attacking the police and he was a big guy. It wasn't a case of the cops suddenly ganging up on a peaceful black guy.

Now, having said that, there was a case of the cops tasering and beating a white homeless man to death recently. Also, another case of the cops tying a sick man to a chair and repeatedly pepper spraying him to death. Soooo, long story short, the cops aren't always wonderful 'civil servants' and black guys aren't always innocent

Mygirl

Soooo, long story short, the cops aren't always wonderful 'civil servants' and black guys aren't always innocent.

That's true. But I think the point is that when people like Sharpton inflame these riots, they encourage their supporters to kill anyone whose skin isn't dark enough.

Pvblis: I agree on the inflammatory effects of the Sharptons and Jacksons. I also see a huge disconnect when a group like the New Black Panthers, a racist group that has gone on record to state that 'killing cracker babies' is necessary, gets out and puts a hit on a man. They aren't censured by the Sharptons or Jacksons, they aren't censured by the President, quite the contrary. That is hypocricy. There are black racists and there are white racists. Either group should be censured, not pretending that because a group is black that somehow, their racism is justified. No racism from any group is justifiable or acceptable.

termlimits: Your "witness" somehow was never interviewed by police, and you are completely wrong about police "backing up claims" the screams on the 911 call were Zimmerman's. In fact, the police record is exactly contradicting that story--the evidence they DO have, including the tape recording by the girlfriend, on the phone with the teenager at the time, has Trevvon fearful of the guy following him in a car and yelling after him. There is no police report of Zimmerman being harmed or bloodied in any way when they showed up. Oh, the boy had been suspended from school? Well then, I guess if that's true, murder of an unarmed teen was justified. Zimmerman outweighed the boy by over 85 pounds, followed him down by car after police dispatch told him not too, called him a "f..n coon" on the 911 tape, and was armed with a gun. That is not in dispute by alleged "witnesses" talking only to TV stations and not to police. JUST sayin,

Pure BS! None of the details you relate were in the police report.

Where can we view the police report you refer to? sounds like it could shed some light for us all...

There's no need for Zimmerman's attorney to attempt to argue that this was not racial motivated.

Martin was killed in the town of Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26. The shooting has set off a nationwide debate over race and justice. Martin's family believes he was killed in part because he was black. Neighborhood crime-watch captain George Zimmerman, whose father is white and mother is Hispanic, claimed self-defense. He has not been arrested, though state and federal authorities are still investigating.

A legal adviser to Zimmerman said the shooting had nothing to do with race.

"I asked him, 'Are you a racist? Do you have anything against black people?' and he said 'No'," Zimmerman's legal adviser, Craig Sonner, told CNN on Friday.

On the 911 tape Zimmerman already revealed he is a racist and that this shooting death was racially motivated probably making it murder.

"This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about," Zimmerman told dispatchers, adding, "These @!$%#s. They always get away."

The dispatcher, hearing heavy breathing on the phone, asked Zimmerman: "Are you following him?"

"Yeah," Zimmerman said.

"Okay, we don't need you to do that," the dispatcher responded.

This is a national public outcry because the Sanford Police Dept. did not investigate the shooting even though they were in possession of the 911 tape, they never pressed any charges against Zimmerman or arrested him. Instead they turned a blind eye to extreme prejudice. The State of Florida did nothing as well so now nearly a month after Trayvon Martin's death it will be investigated and dealt with on a Federal level.

Don't know about this witness, but the things noted when the police arrived were consistent with Martin being on top and beating Zimmerman. The alleged 911 tape where Zimmerman utters a racial slur is inaudible, so no one can tell what he said. Sorry, AP-1414066, you are just repeating the same old nonsense.

Where is this police report that every one is quoting. I cant seem to find it. I think that both sides are just repeating information they heard. I for one will not pass judgment until all the facts are revealed. As for the 911 tape. Yes he was told not to follow him so he was wrong for continuing to follow him. As for the racial slur I cant tell what he said. I think that people just want to make it out to be a race thing. He could still be wrong and it not be race related.

See that is what the people don't want to hear. This young man had a troubled past. I'm sure the mother sent the son to stay(visit) HIS FATHER TO STRAIGHTEN HIM UP. Trayvon was not known in this gated community which was predominately white. He dressed like a thug were he lived with his mother. When the father was interviewed he wore a nice button down shirt and fitting jeans. If you want to look and run like a thug then expect that you will be judged like a thug. Dress like a slut, people think your a slut. Same difference. The black community is taking this tragedy and running with racial card

AP-1414066 - I think the epithet used was "f..n phone"

He did that right when the call was breaking up.

I listened to that tape on CNN what I heard sounded like a wet vac sucking water and I couldn't make one word out.

@Blazin'fool...

Reportedly, Trayvon was suspended for being tardy to class too many times. I remember my brother, who was a 4.0 kind and quiet teen, being suspended for tardiness when in high school...fortunately he lived to become an engineer in the field of metallurgy and is a decent, contributing member of society.

I wear hoodies (I am a white, middle aged woman who has been employed for many years as a Registered Nurse) and all of my children, who were honor students and have received college scholarships and degrees, have worn hoodies since they were toddlers. Maybe you don't understand that hoodies are simply a sweatshirt with a hood...like all the professional sports teams supply their players with for practice and warm-ups.

Maybe what you consider "dressing like a thug" is not what I or most people consider to be unusual dress. Maybe what you consider to be "dressing like a slut" is not what I or someone else considers to be inappropriate dress, either. Maybe you could print out a "thug" dress code, and a "slut" dress code, so we will all know one when we see one, and be able to attach your demeaning labels to the correct "undesirables" when we see them....or maybe not...there are still many of us who really prefer to look at people for who they are and not how they dress...or what color they are.

And, if Trayvon was running from this cop-wanna-be, as reports and 911 calls seem to indicate, he was obviously wise, as Zimmerman ended up killing him. I thought we all try to teach our kids to avoid trouble, walk away from bullies and others who want to cause confrontations, and attempt to get away from stalkers and threatening strangers?

Zimmerman was handcuffed after police arrived and taken into custody for questioning but was released by police without being charged. Police have interviewed Zimmerman two times since then.

"When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr. Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony. By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based on the facts and circumstances they had at the time. Additionally, when any police officer makes an arrest for any reason, the officer MUST swear and affirm that he/she is making the arrest in good faith and with probable cause. If the arrest is done maliciously and in bad faith, the officer and the City may be held liable." ~ Bill Lee, Police Chief

He never said the N word or anything Racial. The word he used on the tape was a**holes. I don't know what recording everyone else heard, but the one I heard you can plainly hear the word "Holes" right after the bleep. Why isn't anyone mentioning the blood on Zimmermans face, back of his head and the grass stains on his back!

@lonereb...

To me, it sounded like Zimmerman was walking fast/running while on the 911 call, and thus you hear wind or the sound of air rushing by the phone mic., thus the sound you describe. I also believe I can hear him loading and/or chambering the gun while on the same 911 call...which would point to a murder charge, in my opinion. As Zimmerman accused young Trayvon of...this Zimmerman was up to no good, and defied the orders of the 911 operator. Whatever his intentions were, it appears he wanted to take the law into his own hands, and an innocent child and his family paid the price.

KJR - I think I heard him mutter "That kid looks like Obama. I'm gonna get Obama."

In that case, this could be an assassination hate crime.

kjr

I also believe I can hear him loading and/or chambering the gun while on the same 911 call.

what you "believe" you hear has no bearing on the case. It is what the police and DA believe.

You apparently have no idea how to chamber a round. If the slide is closed it generally takes TWO hands. More than likely he did have one chambered before he even left his home.

the 911 dispatcher has no authority to make any order and only suggested a course of action.

I won't disagree on Zimmerman has issues.

I agree that Trayvon is a victim. The focus needs to be on the faulty law or there will be more.

This man is Hispanic. Wasn't Iran looking for Hispanics to do some Cabinet level hit squad assignments?

It wouldn't hurt to have Homeland Security take a look.

So Zimmerman is told NOT to follow the young man, he follows the young man. Martin sees the man following him and is moving away, Zimmerman loses him yet finds him again and the struggle ensues. Martin stands his ground or because he feels threatened attacks Zimmerman. Now according to law who was the aggressor? Was a crime in progress that Zimmerman saw or was anyone in danger? I feel because Zimmerman made contact first with the boy by following him the boy had a right to protect himself,even if the man walks away to his truck he gave the impression of threat and so by law the kid could defend himself. But what is said by Zimmerman was he was following and wasn't about to let this kid get away. The kid posed no danger till accosted and Zimmerman had no authority to detain, question or touch this young man. Zimmerman needs to face a judge in this matter!

trust_verify says,...

what you "believe" you hear has no bearing on the case. It is what the police and DA believe.

And I believe this is a news vine....not an arrest warrant for Zimmerman. Newsvine is intended for people to post comments, thoughts, opinions, etc. relating to news articles.

Did you listen to the tape again? If so, do you hear the sounds I am referring to, and if so, what is your opinion as to what they are? And, actually I do have an idea of how to chamber a round. I grew up around guns and hunters, and belonged to the local rifle/shooting club during my teens...actually won marksman awards, and have shot many different types of rifles and pistols. Zimmerman could have stopped and set the phone down or held it on his shoulder while he used two hands to handle the pistol.

And Zimmerman agreed to follow the "suggestion" and cease following the youth, even as he continued to follow Trayvon. That is why he refused to meet law enforcement at the mailboxes and instead asked that they call him when they arrive, so he can let them know where he is at. Reportedly, the rules of the neighborhood watch (reportedly set up in association with the Sanford PD) require agreement to observe and report ONLY...not pursue and/or confront.

'The telecommunications call taker asked Zimmerman, “Are you following him?” Zimmerman replied, “Yes.” The call taker stated, “You don’t need to do that.”

'The call taker’s suggestion is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmerman would be required to follow. Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer, when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.' ~ Bill Lee, Police Chief

"Mr. Zimmerman was not acting outside the legal boundaries of Florida Statute by carrying his weapon when this incident occurred. He was in fact on a personal errand in his vehicle when he observed Mr. Martin in the community and called the Sanford Police Department." ~ Bill Lee, Police Chief

Freedmabn1, your responding as if Zimmerman was a person of authority. Zimmerman did not witness a crime in progress. Travon had just left the 7 Eleven, heading home when Zimmerman spotted him. Its 7pm-everyone in that housing complex was awake. Because they heard Travon's crys for help. Zimmerman felt powerful because he had a gun on him - and he meditated on the fact that he was eventaly going to use his gun - "they always get away" Zimmerman stated he was running - he then told the police where Travon will be found. Zimmerman left his vehicle with his gun. When neighbors heard Travon's calls for help, Zimmerman shot Travon. Travon was face down in the grass. I don't see your statements to be valid. Im with the other millions of people who are sick of guns and sick of those who use them.

The shooter waked away from the killing with his gun and no action was taken to verify his account of the shooting. Trayvon Martin was taken to the morgue and tested for drugs (Zimmerman wasn't) and his parents found his body 2 days later. What's wrong with this picture?

You don't hear the other side of the story on some of these news sites. When the President is saying how his son would have looked like Martin, there is only one side that is coming through. When a black congresswoman is calling for the firing of the white police chief, and threatening to not renew the contract of his boss if he's not fired, it's all pretty much one sided. She ought to be charged with interfering with a police investigation and voted out of office. When you see a picture of Martin, age 10 and smiling, next to a horrible picture of Zimmerman, looking mad, it's all one sided. When there are million hoodies storming the city, crying racism and foul play, without waiting for an official investigation, it's one sided.

The 911 tapes tell it all. Zimmerman wasnt supposed to be pursuing him in the first place. Right before the cop asks him is he following him Zimmerman says f..ing coons. he was all sketchy with the dispatcher when he was being asked about his specific information, claiming that Trayvon ran and he didnt know where he was so he didnt want to give his info out. He didnt want to agree to meet the cop by the mail boxes because he planned to continue the pursuit. So he asked if when the officer responded he could be called so he could tell the officer where he was.

It doesnt get creepy until you hear the woman who is calling 911 shortly thereafter because she hears someone screaming help outside of her door. On the tape you can hear him fairly clearly screaming for help. Of course hearing him screaming that way she or whoever was with her didnt want to get involved. But thats besides the point. The point is there was screaming (on the tape of the woman calling 911) for nearly 45 seconds before the shot went off. Which means Zimmerman had him cornered for at least that long (longer due to the fact it took the neighbor time to recognize what was going on, dial 911, and get a response) before he pulled the trigger. And the sounds stay steady for the entire time they didnt fade as if they were running farther from her door. So the pursuit was over at this point and Zimmerman had his man in his sights.

It wasnt a split-second decision to shoot or be harmed. And a person screaming help isnt usually attacking as they do so. Those screams were horrific and I can just imagine the horror this kid endured for those last seconds as he sees a man coming at him, gun out and aimed. terrible.

I cant post links because I am new here but all i can say is YouTube it. Hear for yourself. Then come back and tell me that was justified or no.

He was interviewed at the police station. He did not just walk away.

Anyone give his vision crap statements base on self defense ,and still walk away.

As for what actually transpired between Trayvon and Zimmerman, we don't yet know the truth or all the facts,

We will never know the facts because the police didn't do their job and collect the evidence. They took Zimmerman's word and let him walk away wearing his clothes, took no photos and let the murder weapon stay with Zimmerman.

Google is your friend. Use it!

Don't believe everything you read on the "net" False stories, and fabrications, made up by individuals that have no idea what they are talking about. HE SAID SHE SAID!! Wait until the investigation is complete please...

The bible is one thing that may be true, but no-one has any proof.

And any white slob in sight will be beaten or killed has happened before. And the Black leaders will say killing this poor slob was justified and the feds will go home without investigation and hopefully they will catch the rioter that kills him but don't hold your breath.

A young man named Daryl Deadman in a Mississippi town, recently ran his truck over another man just because he was black. The incident was caught on camera. Mr. Deadman was arrested and convicted. At the sentencing hearing the family of the victim pleaded that he would not receive the death penalty. In his statement to the court young Mr. Deadman asked for forgiveness he said he was young and full of hate. He received life in prison.

There was no riot involved. The main difference is that an arrest was made in a timely fashion and that and both citizens were given proper treatment under the law. It is a disgrace that in 2012 we must march and demonstrate for some Americans to be treated like citizens.

Frank

another difference between your case and this one is the STATE and the particular laws involved. How about you READ the factual details, not the hearsay, and then read the FLORIDA law that covers Stand Your Ground. Then you get back to us on what they can charge Zimmerman with besides felony stupid.

Well said. Wearing a hoodie or walking through a gated community is not a cause to be executed.

It's the purple people that I'm most suspicious of.

Some blacks are so dark they have a purple-ish tint to them. That's why they got the name "Moolie" which is Italian for eggplant, which are black vegetables with a purple-ish tint. You see? You learned something today.

Italian for Egg Plant is Pianta Uovo, get your facts right and

yo bill dickhead, my facts are straight, just checked and confirmed, go to urban dictionary and look the work up...

1.
moolie
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Italian slang for a black person. Short for "moulinyan," Italian dialect for "eggplant."
"There's a lot of moolies in Bushwick," said Vinny.

Yeah well where I live they call eggs blanquillos too but the correct spanish term is Huevo or as my friends father told her these are not little white things.

Bill-

Not so. Eggplant (One word) in L'Italiano is melanzana. The rest of what "What would Reagan Do" has posted is correct. American english slang has twisted it into Mooly.

Ciao!

Sharky:

Well said. Wearing a hoodie or walking through a gated community is not a cause to be executed.

Are you suggesting that Zimmerman used a shotgun with a scope from the safety of his truck and Trayvon never saw anything coming? The information that we have so far indicates that Zimmerman was stupid and pursued this person. It also suggests that Zimmerman shot Trayvon when Trayvon was beating on Zimmerman.

Susan, the police had finished the investigation and had found the shooter not to be guilty of anything. The investigation has been reopened because of the outcry. Al Sharpton is speaking out because the initial investigation was an injustice (or, at least not investigated enough as would be in any normal shooting resulting in death).

The reason this is national news, is because the police DID "investigate" and decided that Zimmerman shouldn't be charged.

What do you mean the police didn't have time to do their investigation? The Sanford Police dispatcher was the first witness to the shooting (by hearing it) but the department did nothing at all to enforce the law against murder. Instead the Stanford police defended their state law of self defense.

"This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about," Zimmerman told dispatchers, adding, "These @!$%#s. They always get away."

The dispatcher, hearing heavy breathing on the phone, asked Zimmerman: "Are you following him?"

"Yeah," Zimmerman said.

"Okay, we don't need you to do that," the dispatcher responded.

So how is it self defense since Zimmerman pursued the teenager and how can the Sanford police or the State of Florida call this self defense?

Martin’s family has pushed for a gag order on the police report. This is the original Police report.

Zimmerman sees Martin and questions him. Martin ignores him and then mouths off. Zimmerman says for Martin to wait for the police and turns around and is headed back to his car. Martin attacks Zimmerman from behind. Zimmerman does not have his weapon out at the tim. He is knocked to the ground and hits his head. Martin breaks his nose. the 911 tape records Zimmermans voice pleading for help and this is confirmed by witnesses. Keep in mind that Martin is not the kid shown by all the news media, he is 6'-3" he's a big guy.

Zimmerman struggles with Marten and finally shoots Martin who is still on the attack. When the police arrived they found Zimmerman with a bloody nose and injuries to the back of his head. He also had abrasions to his upper torso consistent with a struggle. SOUNDS LIKE VALID SELF DEFENSE TO ME

I witnessed a hit and run years back and when I was on the phone talking to the 911 operator and was told not to follow. Im sure the driver that left the scene of the accident was thankful the operators preprogramed response.

You wrote "Martin’s family has pushed for a gag order on the police report. This is the original Police report.

Zimmerman sees Martin and questions him. Martin ignores him and then mouths off. Zimmerman says for Martin to wait for the police and turns around and is headed back to his car. Martin attacks Zimmerman from behind."

O.K. If I were Martin's family I would love for this report to be released because it would show just how much of liar Zimmerman truly is.

First off, Trayvon wouldn't care if Zimmerman called the police because Trayvon wasn't doing anything wrong, and he has NO criminal record.

Secondly, even if Trayvon was a THUG with a long rap sheet, and outstanding warrants, why would he turn around and initiate a fight between himself and Zimmerman if he knew Zimmerman had just called the police, and the police were on their way. Did he WANT to get arrested and go to jail? We're talking about a small suburb here. The police response time is less than 2 minutes.

If Zimmerman was SO concerned about a criminal getting away, why would he go through all the trouble of watching the guy, following him, and finally chasing him down simply to inform him to stay put, the police are on their way?

Yeah...right, like a real criminal is going to say "Hey thanks man, I'll sit right here and wait for the police to arrive and arrest me." LOL!!! Seriously?

Fact of the matter is, Trayvon's girlfriend who was on the phone with Trayvon has a different version of events. She claims she told the teen to run, but he said no he'll just walk fast. He walked fast at first, but then began to run. He dipped through a shortcut and thought he lost Zimmerman, but Zimmerman reappeared. Zimmerman was on foot by then and approached the teen. He asked him "What are you do over here?" the teen responded "Why are you following me? Zimmerman again asked "WHAT ARE YOU DOING OVER HERE!" She then claims it sounded as if Trayvon was shoved, the phone falls, and the call is ended abruptly. That was the last time she would hear from him.

Bottom line, when this report was taken they didn't know who Trayvon Martin was. They assumed he was a THUG and concocted this story thinking no one would ever give a crap about this guy. That's why they never bothered to contact his family, and his body laid unclaimed in the city morgue for two days. Now that we know that Trayvon was a A and B student who was suspended from school only for excessive tardiness, and has never been in trouble with the law, this report looks even more ridiculous than the day it was filed.

You wrote "Martin’s family has pushed for a gag order on the police report. This is the original Police report.

Zimmerman sees Martin and questions him. Martin ignores him and then mouths off. Zimmerman says for Martin to wait for the police and turns around and is headed back to his car. Martin attacks Zimmerman from behind."

O.K. If I were Martin's family I would love for this report to be released because it would show just how much of liar Zimmerman truly is.

First off, Trayvon wouldn't care if Zimmerman called the police because Trayvon wasn't doing anything wrong, and he has NO criminal record.

Secondly, even if Trayvon was a THUG with a long rap sheet, and outstanding warrants, why would he turn around and initiate a fight between himself and Zimmerman if he knew Zimmerman had just called the police, and the police were on their way. Did he WANT to get arrested and go to jail? We're talking about a small suburb here. The police response time is less than 2 minutes.

If Zimmerman was SO concerned about a criminal getting away, why would he go through all the trouble of watching the guy, following him, and finally chasing him down simply to inform him to stay put, the police are on their way?

Yeah...right, like a real criminal is going to say "Hey thanks man, I'll sit right here and wait for the police to arrive and arrest me." LOL!!! Seriously?

Fact of the matter is, Trayvon's girlfriend who was on the phone with Trayvon has a different version of events. She claims she told the teen to run, but he said no he'll just walk fast. He walked fast at first, but then began to run. He dipped through a shortcut and thought he lost Zimmerman, but Zimmerman reappeared. Zimmerman was on foot by then and approached the teen. He asked him "What are you do over here?" the teen responded "Why are you following me? Zimmerman again asked "WHAT ARE YOU DOING OVER HERE!" She then claims it sounded as if Trayvon was shoved, the phone falls, and the call is ended abruptly. That was the last time she would hear from him.

Bottom line, when this report was taken they didn't know who Trayvon Martin was. They assumed he was a THUG and concocted this story thinking no one would ever give a crap about this guy. That's why they never bothered to contact his family, and his body laid unclaimed in the city morgue for two days. Now that we know that Trayvon was a A and B student who was suspended from school only for excessive tardiness, and has never been in trouble with the law, this report looks even more ridiculous than the day it was filed.

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#10.6 - Sat Mar 24, 2012 6:51 PM EDT

mark all you have presented is SPECULATION.

The bottom line is this. The two of them were engaged in mutual battery. The statements and physical evidence presented to the POLICE at the time of the incident support that detail. The evidence also supports that Zimmerman was getting the snot beat out of him. Read the flawed law already. Zimmerman "reasonably believed" his life was in danger under the LAW.

That Trayvon died is tragic. That he lay in the morgue for 3 days is a sad thing. That he apparently didn't have ID on him may have contributed to that. That he dropped his cell phone and it either broke or the police were clueless as to how to access it is not good. NONE of those things have ANY bearing on charging Zimmerman. If you and everyone else would FOCUS your anger where it belongs there would be a lot less potential for this to blow up and a WHOLE lot of self defense happening.

If you don't like the LAW get it changed.

I don't care if the boy did attack him, if somebody was following you and told you to wait for the police to come because you were "looking suspicious" wouldn't you have the urge to punch the guy in the face? no matter how you look at it Zimmerman shouldn't have been following him in the first place, and the stand your ground law might have even allowed Martin to get away with punching the armed man who was stalking him. Zimmerman had no right to follow him and was completely in the wrong here. Zimmerman deserved to get beat for following a 14 year-old boy after the police told him not to, and he deserves to go to prison for murdur. The kid was perfectly in his rights to attack the guy. it was basicly a citizen's arrest for wearing a hoodie.

Go Black Panthers. What everyone fails to see is that if Zimmerman did not assume and stereotype this young black male in the first place then choose to act as the police and attempt to follow and apprehend him within 70 yards of his home (you know the one where his father lived, his father paid maintenance fees and everything else just like Zimmerman or whomever else lived there) no of this would have taken place. I support the Black Panthers!!! The way I see it is if Zimmerman can act as the police, judge and sentence Trayvon to death, then we the American people can act as judge and jury as well!!! Go Black Panthers! Finally someone attempting to do something for our young black males when everyone else deems that they are worthless and automatically up to no good just based on the color of their skin....oh and because they are wearing a hoodie per Geraldo who basically said it was his fault for wearing a hoodie. Idiots for sure!

Trust_Verify

"The bottom line is this. The two of them were engaged in mutual battery......If you don't like the LAW get it changed."

"if in fact Zimmerman attacked Martin then Martin is well within his right to defend himself, and this would not be mutual battery. I don't care if Trayvon was beating the SNOT out of Zimmerman that is still no excuse to use lethal force when he was the one who instigated the exchange in the first place.

The Republican authors of this bill do not agree with your position. They assert that Mr. Zimmerman is not protected under their law because he knowingly pursued the youth. That is not consistent with someone who is defending themselves.

The Stand Your Ground Law was not the problem here. The problem was a corrupt police department that viewed Mr. Zimmerman as one of their own and attempted to protect him. This department was under fire just a year ago for a similar situation where they let a guy go who was caught on surveillance beating a homeless guy half to death, but because the perpetrator involved was kin to one of the police officers they didn't charge him with anything. It's not so much a racial thing, although that is definitely a component. It's an issue of abuse of power with in Sanford's law enforcement.

momofour-you support the black panthers putting out a $10,000 contract om Zimmermans life??? The black panthers should be investigated by the FBI and the DOJ for conspiracy to commit murder and those putting out the reward should be arrested and tried as criminals just as much as Zmmerman should, and really more as their actions are much more premediated. If Zimerman had NO white in him the black panther and all these prominent black celebs, religious leaders and even the POTUS wouldn't be commenting all over the media. Seems like there are segments of people in this county that want to encourage racial hatred and violence and look forward to riots in the streets. President Obama is strangey silent where he should be leading the entire nation, every race to maintain cool heads ad not let this whole thing degrade even further than it has. WHY IS HE NOT DOING THIS????? And before any of you start balsting me as racist I am a democrat that beleives the POTUS should lead rom both halves of his heritage for the entire nation, that is what he was hired for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MOMOFOUR-NO you can NOT act as the judge, jury and executioner i this case or any other. YOU don't have that right. YOur jut s bad as you say Zimmerman and th police in this town are. Innocent until prven guily and tis should go to a fair trial not (murder) execution by black panther.!!!!!

Fact of the matter is, Trayvon's girlfriend who was on the phone with Trayvon has a different version of events. She claims she told the teen to run, but he said no he'll just walk fast. He walked fast at first, but then began to run. He dipped through a shortcut and thought he lost Zimmerman, but Zimmerman reappeared. Zimmerman was on foot by then and approached the teen. He asked him "What are you do over here?" the teen responded "Why are you following me? Zimmerman again asked "WHAT ARE YOU DOING OVER HERE!" She then claims it sounded as if Trayvon was shoved, the phone falls, and the call is ended abruptly. That was the last time she would hear from him.

All hearsay, unless the government releases the recording of the phone conversation that they are not supposed to have in the first place.

The New Black Panther Party put up a $10,000 reward for the capture of Trayvon
Martin’s shooter, the Orlando Sentinel reported Saturday, following a
demonstration by the group in Florida.

The party called for black men to
mobilize and capture George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who said
he shot the teen as an act of self-defense. He has not been charged with a crime
and has not made any public statements since the Feb. 26 incident.

A
report from the AFP describes a poster from the group seeking Zimmerman “ALIVE…
not dead or harmed.”

From the Sentinel story:

When asked
whether he was inciting violence, (New Black Panther Party leader Mikhail)
Muhammad replied defiantly saying: “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a
tooth.”

The bounty announcement came moments after members of the group
called for the mobilization of 5,000 black men to capture
Zimmerman…

Muhammad said members of his group would search for Zimmerman
themselves in Maitland and Jacksonville — where the 28-year old worked before
the shooting, employees there told the Orlando Sentinel. But he declined to say
when they will begin their hunt….

“If the government won’t do the job,
we’ll do it,” Muhammad said, leading his group of eight party members in chants
like “freedom or death” and “justice for Trayvon” while making the iconic
gesture of raising their fists into the air.

Muhammad told the paper the
national organization has begun fundraising for their efforts and hopes to
collect $1 million by next week.

This is what we are dealing with people.

amen to that........my thoughts too......

Mark-4095914

"if in fact Zimmerman attacked Martin then Martin is well within his right to defend himself, and this would not be mutual battery. I don't care if Trayvon was beating the SNOT out of Zimmerman that is still no excuse to use lethal force when he was the one who instigated the exchange in the first place.

Presuming neutral competent police arrived on the scene while the two of them were engaged in the physical confrontation: They BOTH would be cited for causing a disturbance and mutual combat. Since they were "touching" it is battery in most jurisdictions. Whether YOU care or not you need to look at the law. If you don't want the law to apply then it doesn't apply at all and you can go have your riot. The FACT that Trayvon was beating the snot out of Zimmerman invokes the "reasonable belief" of fearing for bodily injury if not death. Here you go read the LAW.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.

The LAW and judicial system don't care what the INTENT of the legislation was they care what was WRITTEN. FL judges have already ruled in cases where people have been chased down and killed. The reasonable belief is the qualifier and if in fact Zimmerman was attacked at his vehicle the police MAY have believed that applied as well.

Contrary to initial reports Zimmerman was taken into custody, questioned and released based on the Stand Your Ground statute. The police referred the case (passed the buck if you ask me) to the local DA. The investigation was ongoing, or so they claim. I really don't care what the Martin family LAWYER has to say about charges coming down. He already admits the feds don't have enough to make it a hate crime, this after earlier saying how it was a federal crime.

Read the law please. Do you see where the police could see the law prevents them from filing charges due to precedent rulings.

The politicians, especially the sponsor, is playing CYA. Of course he is saying it's not his law that is flawed but that it doesn't apply. I don't see an aggressor exception, I don't see a gated community exception, I don't see a George Zimmerman exception. I see "reasonable belief" requirement and as I asked someone else. Mark, If you are getting the snot beat out of you(figuratively and literally) would you have a reasonable belief you might suffer bodily injury and maybe even death?

There was nothing ILLEGAL about Zimmerman being on the street or in the area. There was nothing illegal about following Trayvon. Stupid yes, illegal no.

Oh, you know Zimmerman well huh? You know he's racist, do you? You hope he's shot dead, but you hate guns. That makes no sense.

Seriously............Do you expect any of them to make sense? Even ODUMBA makes no sense but they still blindly support him. By and large, the black race doesn't have a clue as to how they are getting HOSED by the so-called LEADERS.

So much for "due process." Leroy would rather be judge, jury, and executioner, regardless of what evidence comes to light or a jury decides.

Any fool can see what happened here. We KNOW that Zimmerman was the persuer. We KNOW that Zimmerman was the only one armed. If Trayvon fought back when he was cornered, SO FREAKIN WHAT!! Zimmerman hunted and killed this kid, period.

leroy brown -- Gee. You have your facts. How nice for you. The law only cares about what you can prove,not what you hope is true to support your preconceived notions.

Leroy, people like you are exactly why we have due process. You've already made your mind up and no amount of evidence will change it. Fortunately for Zimmerman, a jury will decide his fate (assuming there's enough evidence to charge him) and not you.

Don't take this as a statement I believe he's innocent. I have no idea as I wasn't there and haven't heard any of the first-hand testimony. Neither have you. But I'm not so quick to condemn as you apparently are and I trust the police to do their job. They can't very well not do so under such public scrutiny.

Bad BAD LEROY BROWN, THE BADDEST MAN IN THE WHOLE DAMN TOWN..How about O.J. Leroy???? Two white people killed by him?? He did it, you can't assume anything..

No Leroy all you see is one side just as all others see is the other side no need for testimony you all have your mind made up and anybody that says something you don't agree with is a liar. I don't think Zimmerman could get a fair trial anywhere in the US by now.

The public scrutiny is enforcing SPD to do the job they should've done in the first place!!

Of course it should be proven, IN A COURT OF LAW. If it were for the shoddy police "investigation", there wouldn't even be a trial. Hopefully, that will change now the case has caught national attention and an FBI investigation will probably take place.

And by the way, the burden goes both ways: Zimmerman has to PROVE it was self-defense.

So why did the police not keep the gun, grass stained clothes and take pictures of the shooting scene? Why did they test Martin for drugs and send Zimmerman on his way with his gun? Why was Martin put in the morgue for 2 days and his parents never notified? I have never heard of a shooting anywhere where the one pulling the trigger walks away without being booked and finger printed. If I shot my neighbors dog while being attacked I would expect more investigation than Zimmerman received.

Mike-2541961

“The evidence actually points to Martin being the attacker”

How can you come up with such an idiotic statement when all the facts are not known at this time? You are merely speculating on this just to suit want you want to believe. You need to wait until the investigation on this sad event is complete before posting such asinine comments.

Hartlessbeest, your statement can be put to both sides of this. None of us know the facts. Only what the media is spouting to make a big story.

What if it turns out Martin was the bad guy here? Are all the protesters and marchers and shouters going to recant? Say their sorry?

Nope.

dariopy - I may be wrong but Zimmerman doesn't have to prove squat. He has the presumption of innocence (it's the American way) until proven guilty. This is assuming he is charged with a crime. And I have no idea whether he will or should be; like everyone else, I am only privy to the speculation and rumors abounding.

I still think Al Sharpton is a media whore who just looks for opportunities to get in front of the camera. I will have more respect for him when HIS outrage crosses color lines; I've been seeing him for lo, these many years, and it hasn't crossed that line so far. Just saying.....

Just because Zimmerman sustained injuries doesn't mean he wasn't the attacker. Trayvon's girlfriend who was on the phone with Trayvon at the time contends that Trayvon had been trying to get away from Zimmerman and that Zimmerman shoved Trayvon. The phone dropped and the call was ended.

If her account is correct, it doesn't matter if Trayvon was kicking his ass after that point, he had no right to pull his gun and shoot the kid dead.

Sharky-If this young man was walking back to his dads' house after going to the store for a drink and skittles why wouldn't his dad have gone looking for him or called the police when he didn't come back?? IF the girlfriend heard all this going on over the phone why would she have not called one or both of his parents or contacted some one who could?? These parents ar so concerned and the girlfriend knew an incident was happening how in the world does it take them 2 or 3 days to look for him???? much less that long to find him in the mourge???? It just doesn't make sense!!!??!!??!!

Mark-you don't make sense either. IF trayvon was kicking his ass and trying to cause serious bodily harm or death then he pulled the gun in self defense.

Mark-4095914

Just because Zimmerman sustained injuries doesn't mean he wasn't the attacker. Trayvon's girlfriend who was on the phone with Trayvon at the time contends that Trayvon had been trying to get away from Zimmerman and that Zimmerman shoved Trayvon. The phone dropped and the call was ended.

If her account is correct, it doesn't matter if Trayvon was kicking his ass after that point, he had no right to pull his gun and shoot the kid dead.

If you go by the law he would have still been justified.

Zimmerman is using,

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or

(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

And,

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).

And he could use this if they decide he was the aggressor.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

The law is on Zimmermans side of this.

Notice section 776.032 at the top and bottom,

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution

As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

According to the law, Zimmerman could have hit the kid first then the kid hit him back but once Zimmerman was pinned to the ground and he was in fear (even just in his own mind) of great bodily harm. It was legal for him to shoot the kid.

Because we KNOW there is racism in this country, even as those in power and media try to say we are paranoid. This murder supports our beliefs. We are so tired of the same argument, from 1955 to 2012. When will you stop denying that it is sad to be black in this country?

My heart goes out to this kid's family and my sympathy goes out to the black community who deals with this all the time.

You're right Arrive, racism is alive and well and not going away. Just so you know, there are many many black people that do not like white people due to the racism you speak of, it goes both ways. It's sad a young man got murdered, but on Friday there was a trial that finished up where i live in Boston, a quadruple murder in a black neighborhood called Mattapan, google if you'd like, a mother and 2 year old boy were gunned down along with 2 others by other black men. Clearly a product of the gang-banging hip hop scene. You say this happens all the time, you're right but most of the time it's not a Hispanic or white man shooting a black young man but a black man shooting a black man. The jails are filled with 80% of african-amercian males. As far as the media and those in power-this is not the 1950's. We have a black president, woman secretary of state, black politicians, judges, and police. Please wake up and see that the violence is not only racial but more of a social issue amongst young black men.

Martin’s family has pushed for a gag order on the police report. This is the original Police report.

Zimmerman sees Martin and questions him. Martin ignores him and then mouths off. Zimmerman says for Martin to wait for the police and turns around and is headed back to his car. Martin attacks Zimmerman from behind. Zimmerman does not have his weapon out at the tim. He is knocked to the ground and hits his head. Martin breaks his nose. the 911 tape records Zimmermans voice pleading for help and this is confirmed by witnesses. Keep in mind that Martin is not the kid shown by all the news media, he is 6'-3" he's a big guy.

Zimmerman struggles with Marten and finally shoots Martin who is still on the attack. When the police arrived they found Zimmerman with a bloody nose and injuries to the back of his head. He also had abrasions to his upper torso consistent with a struggle.

THIS "RACE CARD" IS WAY TOO WORN OUT! EVERYONE IS SCREAMING ZIMMERMAN IS WHITE, AND AS IT TURNS OUT HE IS 100% HISPANIC - HIS PARENTS ARE BOTH HISPANIC - FROM EQUADOR, HIS CURRENT STEP-FATHER IS WHITE. I AGREE WITH YOU THERE IS PREJUDICE BUT THE PENDULUM HAS SWUNG THE OTHER WAY AND IT IS NOT AGAINST BLACKS ANYMORE.

Thank You, Thank You, Thank You. Exactly Right! Nobody in all of these posts against Zimmerman mentions the blood on Zimmermans face and head and the grass stains on his back. Once the self defense claim is invoked, the police must find in their investigation that there was evidence that this was NOT self defense. There was no evidence that it wasn't self defense. Following someone while your on watch is not provoking some one to use violence against you. Doesn't matter the dispatcher said, "we don't need you to do that". That is NOT a lawful order that has to be obeyed or the fact that the watch doesn't want you to follow or even carry a gun. That's between the watch and zimmerman. He broke no laws! Zimmerman was in the Watch frame of mind. In his mind he was on duty to keep an eye out to protect his neighborhood. There were previous break-ins by (fact) black youths. It's not racial or profiling if that's what the previous break-ins were. If someone commits a crime and it was reported a black male was seen running from the scene, the police can concentrate and look and question suspicious black males, not white, Hispanic, Asian, or even women. Supreme Court has upheld these actions as not biased in any way. Yes, if Zimm. didn't get out and follow Treyvon would be alive today. But, Zimm. still broke no laws by following. Suspicious black male, acting kinda strange, walking in the rain ( suspicious), Then started running (Suspicious) and yes Treyvon was probably afraid, he didn't know who this guy was following him so he ran. But Zimm, in his "Watch" frame of mind saw an already suspicious person running. He was determined to not let him get away. That's why he followed. His statements of "These a**holes always get away" was what he said. He never used the N word. Also that's why he told the dispatcher, have the police call me at this number when they arrive so he could point Treyvon out and not get away like the others. Yes, he made his mind up to follow at that point when he was told not, doesn't matter under the law. Why did Treyvon decided to stop running. He's a 6'2" high school football athlete and in great shape and could have for sure out run Zimm. and made it all the Way home. He decided to stop and just walk fast. Zimm caught up and was confronted by Treyvon who stopped and turned and asked, what do you want or why are you following me or something to that affect. Zimm. then asked what are you doing here. Treyvon did nothing wrong, was afraid, which is understandable, and had every right to do so. Neither one of these actions was provoking a fight or engagement. By neither one I mean Treyvon stopping and asking him or Zimm. following to ask him. It's down to this: If Zimm grabbed him, or tried to detain him by physical force in any way, he then provoked Treyvon into hitting him and Treyvon has the right to claim self defense, not Zimm. But if Treyvon just hit him for asking questions, even if he was afraid, that's not provocation to be attacked like Zimm was. It's like if I was following someone down the street or anywhere and that person got mad or even wasn't mad, but worried, afraid or concerned and stopped and asked me why I'm following him, and I said because I wanted to. That does NOT give him the right to hit or touch me in any way. Seems wrong, but that's the law. You should contact the police and report him. I know it don't seem right, there's no police around, who can help me right now. If you were following me and I stopped and asked why are you following me and you said the same thing and I shot you. I'm going to jail. If you took a swing at me and even missed, I can shoot you and it's self defense. The law makes it more fair so I don't have to wait and see if you keep trying to hit me or I run and see if you chase me. Way more people were convicted of some form of Murder and were innocent before this law was put into place.

Arrive-1 wrote:

When will you stop denying that it is sad to be black in this country?

I never have, but it's unfair to single out the US for criticism on this point. Blacks are oppressed all over the world. Their history is unique and often, as you say, sad. I wish it were different.

Actually, in the case of global oppression, it is women who are the most oppressed.

Black women must really be oppressed then

Really? Are black women more specially oppressed than say, Afghani women, Indian women, Sri Lankan women, etc. Instead of always making something about race, which only divides further, perhaps less about race and more about human rights.

Why should anybody calm down? Zimmerman was out for blood before he got out of his car to question the 17 year old teenager and I don't care what his height was. He had skittles and an ice tea in his hands wearing a hoodie in the rain when Zimmerman spotted him walking down the street.

"This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about," Zimmerman told dispatchers, adding, "These @!$%#s. They always get away."

The dispatcher, hearing heavy breathing on the phone, asked Zimmerman: "Are you following him?"

"Yeah," Zimmerman said.

"Okay, we don't need you to do that," the dispatcher responded.

So after the police instructed Zimmerman not to follow or approach the teenager he does it any way and ends up killing him because he was already out for blood.

"These @!$%#s. They always get away."

His own words on record. Making sure this one doesn't get away even if it meant provoking a fight.

If Zimmerman was so helpless, what the hell was he doing following that kid and why did Zimmerman get out of his car???????? Because he wanted to be the tough guy. With a gun.

Stop making Zimmerman the victim. Travon is the victim here and nothing you say can make it otherwise.

YOU SOUND VERY CLOSE-MINDED -

Martin’s family has pushed for a gag order on the police report. This is the original Police report.

Zimmerman sees Martin and questions him. Martin ignores him and then mouths off. Zimmerman says for Martin to wait for the police and turns around and is headed back to his car. Martin attacks Zimmerman from behind. Zimmerman does not have his weapon out at the tim. He is knocked to the ground and hits his head. Martin breaks his nose. the 911 tape records Zimmermans voice pleading for help and this is confirmed by witnesses. Keep in mind that Martin is not the kid shown by all the news media, he is 6'-3" he's a big guy.

Zimmerman struggles with Marten and finally shoots Martin who is still on the attack. When the police arrived they found Zimmerman with a bloody nose and injuries to the back of his head. He also had abrasions to his upper torso consistent with a struggle.

The only thing Zimmerman is a victim of, is that of his own stupidity. He was told not to follow the teenager. He didn't listen. He played with fire, got burned, and killed an innocent teenager. And, he has probably destroyed his own life. What a tragic waste.

If someone is doing something wrong, I don't care what 911 says about waiting for police. If someone is doing something wrong, stop them. To many people stand aside for crime. That is the real tragic thing in the US.

We do not know who the bad guy was yet. Nothing anyone on this board can say will change that. People picked sides, while having no idea what happened yet.

Kongadong,

Suppose you are right that what you describe is the police report. ( I doubt it as I have been unable to uncover it after two days searching). What was the source of this detailed information? Zimmerman? Couldn't have been Martin, he was lying there dead! So, if it was Zimmerman's statement only, you would think that after the 911 recording, it would have been more prudent to bring Zimmerman, his gun, to police headquarters for further investigation?

Where is the medical report to show these injuries you claim Zimmerman had gotten in a struggle with Martin? No pictures taken by the police? Maybe he tripped chasing after Martin and caused them himself? Guess we will never know for sure as the police didn't have him examined and documented by qualified medical personnel!

How tall is Zimmerman? They say in the media he is about 280lbs. Pretty big adult guy compared to a 6' 3" 140 lb skinny kid. Anyway, why was he even confronting this "big" tall kid? He was told not to follow!

And you don't think his parents should not go public when the police said it was a case of self defense and no further investigation is needed! You total lack of actual facts plus your bias towards black Americans who are spokesmen for their people is pathetic to say the least.

@Boredofstupid

There has been nothing to support that a crime was being commited though, so while i agree that people should try to help if a crime is in progress they should not be allowed to follow a kid for dressing suspicious. Now if he had a sock on his head I might see some reason to follow him, but this was rediculous.

I think the reason the media is telling a 1 sided story is to help make these riots as violent as possible so they can have more interesting news to report on.

The family is pushing for a gag order? That means they can't talk about it either. They seem to want it all over the media. The media, celebs, political activist are all getting involved with the family and encouraging as much coverage and protests as possible.

Why wasn't the family calling all the hospitals, fire stations and anyplace else they could think of to locate Trayvon? Why weren't they demanding knowledge of his whereabouts and why did his body languish in the morgue for three days? Why didn't his girlfriend call his parents or the police? Why weren't the family more proactive in locating their son? That bothers me greatly. If it were my child I'd be frantic trying to locate him and I can guarantee I'd be asking the morgue if they had any unidentified body on hand. Ditto the hospital and the cops. He was missing for three days, where were they in attempting to discover his whereabouts?

Why did it take this long for there to be an outcry? It should have happened days after the event, not weeks. Sharpton and Jackson are now in the picture, calling for blood. Did the family wait for them to start demanding justice? If they did, I haven't heard anything about it. I would appreciate some info on this issue and can't seem to find it. I find a timeline but no mention of why his family waited so long to look for him.

Terry: That's not his fight. Where was your leader? Where were your preachers? Oh, they were running for office, too busy to bother about murders and mundane local stuff like that.

Arrive, you are such a hypocrite, on a different post you whined about racism...and here you say your preaches and your leaders. You are exactly the type that has divided the country and caused racial issues to continue. We all live in one nation and we all have the same leaders, a reverend is a person of clery which is religion not color. You sound like a fool when you speak of Sharpton and Jackson, it's no secert they only care about black people and get very rich doing so. White people are not aloud to have their own things or they get yelled at, we don't have our own leaders or reverends, we don't have our own tv channel or whites only or college funds. Look at your post again and ask yourself who is the racist ad why do i think that the various races in our country should have their own things...

54buick,

Naw! I think Carl Rove, Rush Limburgh and a few others already have that locked up. (vile pieces of garbage thing) He would have to wait a long time in line to get where you suggest he is. Just saying! LOL!

Your name belies what you are. It should be "lemming".

Srsly?! Do you truly believe he would be so bold and so dumb to say 'Yes'?

Martin’s family has pushed for a gag order on the police report. This is the original Police report.

Zimmerman sees Martin and questions him. Martin ignores him and then mouths off. Zimmerman says for Martin to wait for the police and turns around and is headed back to his car. Martin attacks Zimmerman from behind. Zimmerman does not have his weapon out at the tim. He is knocked to the ground and hits his head. Martin breaks his nose. the 911 tape records Zimmermans voice pleading for help and this is confirmed by witnesses. Keep in mind that Martin is not the kid shown by all the news media, he is 6'-3" he's a big guy.

Zimmerman struggles with Marten and finally shoots Martin who is still on the attack. When the police arrived they found Zimmerman with a bloody nose and injuries to the back of his head. He also had abrasions to his upper torso consistent with a struggle. IT SEEMS TO ME THE "RACE CARD" PENDULUM HAS SWUNG THE OTHER WAY.

mysong41,

do you have anything against black people??

do you have anything against white people??

have you EVER said the "N' word?

have you EVER said the "H" word??...Honky..If so you are a hyppocrite..Even black people say the "n' word

But Zimmerman is hispanic. he's not even white. Why do they keep saying he's white and racist?

Because if he actually is hispanic, then they lost a lot of their bluster. They don't want to hear that he's anything other than white even though his own parents say he's hispanic.

Hispanics are considered white by folks that aren't racist.

Keith-1952

Hispanics are considered white by folks that aren't racist.

Then Hispanics must be racist as they consider themselves Hispanic.

trust_verify, I am just trying to answer the idiots. Are you one too, or did you not read the comments I was replying to?

Many of these Hillbillies keep saying Hispanic is not a race, giving yourself a designation does not mean you are claiming a race.

So, I guess you will need to explain to me what your point is.

hispanics hate black people more than white do . the bottom line is What if this was Your son be he black. white, or hispanics. This will not be good if he walks for hispanics in this country.

Keith-1952

trust_verify, I am just trying to answer the idiots. Are you one too, or did you not read the comments I was replying to?

Which comment were you replying to? ALL I saw was your single line comment as a stand alone. NO Context. I apologize if you were being sarcastic. Make it easier on everyone, either put a (sarcasm) after it or at least put a name, like you did with me, as to who you are replying to.

Trust_verify I am not sure where you and I got off track. We often agree on these posts so I assume that we probably do here also. I think I was answering another post and you at the same time. I did not intend to include you in the idiot comments.

accepted Keith... it does get confusing. As you will see in other postings here I also am getting tired of some of the.... ahem.. repeated empty questions.

At least you two are mature and adult enough to talk out a problem civilly. Thumbs up to you both! Your appropriate behavior really was needed the night of this event and will be until this case is resolved.

thanks skrewdworld.

We do have the advantage over that night though.... We can step away and think things through before responding or at least put things on "pause".

I agree patience will be needed to resolve this case. As it stands some of the key players need to quit fanning the flames while the system slowly grinds forward. April 10 is a long way off and that is the SOONEST that things can even be considered. The challenge is people today are accustomed to instant gratification or resolution and while the events of that evening happened in less than 20 minutes we are already at 29 days and counting and that is generally FAST for a homicide.

How often do the police shoot unarmed criminals because at the moment they feared for their life? So why is everyone trying this guy in the paper and on line? I never read so many left wing idiots in my life, never waste a good tragedy to bring in your political BS to the table. The main stream media is getting so obvious that they and their left wing pol's start telling us everyone wants this guy hung and everyone wants more gun laws to be put on the books. They got busted with fast and furious and you don't even hear about that, why not? Lets have some honest new's and honest government . We sure don't get it now with communists running the show.

I check the like button my mistake I don't agree with comment at ALL!