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Subscribe to RSSAs thousands protested how Trayvon Martin's shooting was handled, witnesses of the boy's death say they believe the shooter is guilty. NBC's Ron Allen reports.
A woman who says she and her roommate witnessed the final moments of Trayvon Martin's life told Dateline NBC that George Zimmerman had "his hands pressed on his back" and "never turned him over or tried to help him."
Zimmerman's lawyer, when shown part of the interview being aired Sunday night on Dateline, emphasized that his client would be claiming self-defense.
"I think there were efforts made to render aid to Trayvon," Craig Sonner told NBC's TODAY show.
Mary Cutcher told Dateline that she and her roommate both saw Zimmerman "straddling the body, basically a foot on both sides of Trayvon's body, and his hands pressed on his back."
Cutcher added that Zimmerman told her and her roommate to call the police.
"Zimmerman never turned him over or tried to help him or CPR or anything," Cutcher said.
Sonner also reiterated what he had said in recent days, that Zimmerman suffered a broken nose and a gash to the back of his head.
A lawyer for George Zimmerman, who shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, believes further investigation will exonerate his client. NBC's Lester Holt has more.
Ben Crump, a Martin family attorney, told NBC News that Sonner was "blaming the victim."
"Its real simple, if George Zimmerman had done what a neighborhood watchman is supposed to do -- watch -- Trayvon Martin would be alive today," he added.
"Trayvon Martin does not have to identify himself to a stranger," he noted. "George Zimmerman never identified who he was to Trayvon." "If he (Zimmerman) doesn't get out of the car ... if he doesn't act as if he's the police, none of this happens."
A friend of Zimmerman's who appeared on TODAY with Sonner added that Zimmerman, 28, was distraught over the teen's death.
"Right after the shooting he couldn't stop crying," said Joe Oliver, who is African American and a former TV reporter and anchor in Orlando.
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Zimmerman has not been charged in the Feb. 26 shooting that has ignited racial tensions and raised questions about the Sanford police's handling of the case. Martin was black, and Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is Hispanic.
In a separate interview Sunday, Oliver said that "I'm a black male and all that I know is that George has never given me any reason whatsoever to believe he has anything against people of color.''
On Saturday, Sonner said he believes evidence will show that Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law was properly applied.
"Is George a racist? The answer is no, absolutely not. He's not a racist," Sonner said about his client. "The incident that transpired is not racially motivated or a hate crime in any way. It was self-defense."
Sonner said he's spoken with several of Zimmerman's friends, including some who are African American. "They only have good things to say about him," Sonner said.
In light of the Trayvon Martin incident, a Meet the Press roundtable breaks down violence by citizens against blacks in America.
They're reluctant to come forward, though, because they fear that the backlash over the investigation will make them and their families targets, too, Sonner said.
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Sonner declined to detail what transpired between Zimmerman and the 17-year-old Martin, who was unarmed, but he said he believes the case falls under Florida's stand-your-ground law, which dictates that a person has the right to stand his or her ground and "meet force with force" if attacked.
"I believe what the evidence will show is that this case does fall under that," Sonner said. "I believe we have a good case."
If charges are brought against his client, Zimmerman would be willing to turn himself in to police, Sonner said. "We will follow the law," Sonner said.
Sonner would not say where Zimmerman was.
White House adviser David Plouffe discusses President Obama's conversations on the Trayvon Martin case.
Amid the outcry over the lack of charges against Zimmerman, the Sanford police chief and state's attorney in the case have both stepped aside.
The U.S. Justice Department has opened a civil rights probe into the shooting, and a grand jury is scheduled to meet April 10 to consider evidence in the case.
Daryl Parks, another Martin family attorney, said federal officials and local officials met with the teen's family Thursday and gave them "a strong sense that (the Department of) Justice was very committed" to investigating the case.
Indeed, President Barack Obama weighed in Friday, calling the shooting a tragedy and saying, "When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids."
But Parks added "it was clear from Justice's statements that charges of a hate crime are going to be a challenge."
Parks also said the Florida Department of Law Enforcement has told the family's legal team that they know Zimmerman's whereabouts, but that it was not clear whether they are offering protection to Zimmerman, who has been in hiding and has received death threats in recent weeks.
Martin's parents also met Friday with the newly-appointed special prosecutor in the case, and the family's legal team plans to pursue a civil case against the Twin Lakes homeowner's association, Parks said.
About 400 people rallied Saturday in downtown Chicago to protest Martin's killing. In a racially divided city beset by shootings, gang violence and run-ins with police, the teen's death brought to mind the 1955 slaying of Emmitt Till, a 14-year-old black boy from Chicago who was shot and bludgeoned to death while visiting Mississippi for supposedly whistling at a white woman. His body was found in the Tallahatchie River.
No one was ever convicted, but Till's killing galvanized the civil rights movement.
"It's a precedent that with the right excuse it's OK to gun down black males," protester Ashten Fizer said of Martin's killing. "It's a return of Jim Crow."
In Washington, D.C., a large crowd gathered in Freedom Plaza to call for justice in the shooting.
Among the demonstrators Saturday was Jimmy Neal, a District of Columbia resident who said his daughter has been asking him questions he didn't want to answer.
Jonathan Ernst / Reuters
People gather at a "Stand Up for Trayvon Martin" rally in Washington, D.C., on Saturday.
"She's asked me the question ... 'Why, daddy, when he was carrying candy and a soda or iced tea and why did the man kill him?' I had to explain that to her. And those are discussions you don't plan to have with your kids," Neal said.
"Hoodie Marches" were organized Saturday in two South Carolina cities over social media. Many of the people participating carried bags of Skittles and wore hooded sweat shirts, like the one Martin wore when he was killed.
Martin was holding a bag of the candy while walking to his father's fiancée's home from a convenience store when Zimmerman started following him, telling police dispatchers he looked suspicious. At some point, the two got into a fight in the gated community and Zimmerman pulled out his gun.
Zimmerman dropped out of public view shortly after the shooting and his whereabouts were unknown. The New Black Panther Party, an African American organization taking its name from the radical group of the 1960s, has placed a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman.
"All these people who are threatening George, what makes them any better than the person they think he is?'' Oliver said. "You've got all these people wanting to lynch the man and they don't know the whole story.''
NBC's Ron Allen as well as The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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The most prevalent form of violence in my town seems to be black on black violence. Black youth killing black youth. But the black civil rights leaders of today and president Obama don't seem to be concerned about it.
The truth of the matter is, Zimmerman took the law into his own hands; whether he is a racist or not. He was wrong, and the police was wrong for merely taking his word for it without questioning him, nor giving him a lie detector test to ascertain the veracity of his story. Although lie detector tests are not legal, it would still provide evidence of probability. I doubt if Zimmerman will pass a lie detector test regarding any of his claims. All of those comments that I am hearing in support of Zmmerman are merely from apparently racist people who don't wan to admit their racial hatred for black people. They know who they are. A bunch of weak and insensitive cowards.
If it is racism to hate a person who robs you then I am racist. If it is racism to hate a person who mugs you then I'm a racist. If its racism to hate gang members who only want to conduct themselves in society by stealing, drug dealing criminals then I am a racist. The jails are full of people who I am racist against. If we had more people armed and dangerous maybe there would be less crime.
This is what all you people get for jumping to conclusions and jumping on a bandwagon. A witness has come forth claiming that TRAYVON was the aggressor. The screams of "HELP!" from the 911 tape were those of ZIMMERMAN getting pummeled by TRAYVON! Also, the media has used a 5-year old "smiling-poor-little-kid" picture of Trayvon and a non-smiling "orange-jail-jumpsuit-type picture of Zimmerman to further this negative bias. Trayvon Martin NOW is 6'3", gold grill, likes gansta music, was out at 3:00 a.m. and was suspended from school. Why do we not see these facts? Another gun grab, more race baiting ...
This has become the Tawanna Bradley & Duke Lacrosse scandals all over again. I bet we don't see any apologies from the left over this either ......
The witness that said it was Zimmerman screaming is phantom named "John" who has only told his story to a Fox news affiliate. The shooting took place at around 7:30 pm. Martin may have been 6'3", but he also only weighed 140 pounds. Zimmerman had about 80 pounds on him. Martin was suspended for tardiness according to his English teacher. The picture of Martin in the grey hooded sweatshirt is a current photo. I have seen no reports of him having a "gold grill."
Why do you not see these facts? Who's jumping on what bandwagon?
WTF does his father being WHITE have ANYTHING to do with an IDIOT with a gun??? News Outlets are so stupid.... lol I wouldn't even consider this a piece of news. It's a piece of race fear mongering BS....
We know that the Hispanic side of him would have run back to Mexico
I do not have to know Zimmeramn to expect him to protect a 17 year old boy and make sure he got home safe. I do not care if he is a racist or not, lets say he is not, that does not allow him to follow a young man, who is walking home from the store, and make him feel uncomfortable. A gentle hello, are you OK, and off Zimmerman goes back to his home where he belongs. He could have called the police if he did not feel comfortable once he was home. He acted crazy and killed someone. He did not help this boy when he was alive and he sure didn't help him after he killed him, why would he. Maybe he is nice enough to his family and friends, but I sure wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley. There isn't a kid in my white neighborhood that doesn't wear the standand hoodie, hell I wear one when I walk and the wind is blowing. Stop making excuses for this violent act and call it what is was, violence with a gun, the kid didn't have a chance with skittles. Poor Mr. Zimmerman, he has a broken nose, cry me a river.
That kid with skittles shouldn't have attacked a law abiding citizen with a gun. Cry me a river over a punk kid getting his just due. wayyyyyyyyyyyy
colelee-Are you trying to be funny?? If Trayvon was the aggressor then he is to blame-When did Trayvon discover that Zimmerman had a gun-my guess after the fight started-or are you the type armed with skittles would attack a guy with a gun-no I think both of them were scared of the other and Trayvon got the better of the fist fight but since Zimmerman had a gun he won the battle
Put Zimmerman in jail already HE'S A COLD BLOODED "MURDERER" How would any of you feel if your child was killed in that manner? you would want JUSTICE TO BE SERVED!!!!!!
If my kid were black, I would kill my wife!!!
Only kidding!!
If someone broke my nose and put a gash in my head and I had a gun I would use and so would anyone else.
jb-If someone with a gun was stalking me, and came up behind me and grabbed me, you can bet the stalker would get AT LEAST, a broken nose and a gash in his head. If the stalker (zimmerman) actually DID have a gash in his head. The boy would have been legally and morally justified in defending himself from the stalker. Too bad the boy didn't have a gun, too. Then he might still be alive.
Let's at least get a few of the facts before we start putting the guy in prison. I don't know if he is guilty of murder or he acted in self-defense, but we should at least wait for the evidence instead of jumping to conclusions.
Lets get a few facts straight:
1. Zimmerman is Neighborhood Watch, not a police officer. He had no right to be carrying a gun in the first place.
2. The dispatcher told him to wait in his car for the police. He chose not to, meaning Zimmerman himself caused the situation.
3. Martin was unarmed. There is no possible way the law should apply even if it was used as intended. Because Zimmerman simply could have drawn his gun and held him off even if Martin did attack him.
Its entirely possible that Zimmerman inflicted his wounds after the fact or the wounds were inflicted by Martin defending himself. By looking at pictures of both, Zimmerman outweighed Martin by a lot, so I don't see how he could have justifiably considered Martin a threat unless he had a weapon. And he didn't.
If Zimmerman isn't prosecuted and convicted, I hope Martin's family can find legal ways to make his life a living hell.
Exactly.
"Facts" apparently, don't matter to some.
Zimmerman was back at his car when Trayvon came towards him. Listen to the evidence again.
You are lying, jb. The killing happened on the sidewalk. zimmerman wasn't in his car. He got out of his car to stalk and attack the boy.
This is amazing. Everyone seems to "know" the facts, yet the facts seem to be contradictory. How about waiting for the investigation and then form an informed opinion.
I thought rushing to judgment and vigilante justice, including placing a bounty on someone's head, was what the civil rights movement was against. I read articles where people lament that no one has learned anything from history or from the decades since slavery. This is usually aimed at discrimination against blacks. Yet, here it is. What would the great civil rights leaders have to say.
Finally, we have a special prosecutor. We have the DOJ and a grand jury. Ok. Let's do this right. Let's have a solid investigation and fair trial. There are so many special interests involved here that the facts don't matter. It is an election year too. I hope no one uses this to buy votes.
You mean like how Zimmerman "rushed to judgement" concerning a kid that was walking to his step-mother's house?
Yep. That's what I thought.
Was he there to buy crack??
The only problem is...I could tell you a thing or two about that "special" prosecutor. As far as vote buying, don't worry, it's in the works, but not by the side you are thinking of. Finally, The Civil Rights Act is federal...and the FBI literally had to invade many Southern States to enforce it. The only good thing about this scenario is that the feds are monitoring this situation very closely and may press charges if the state fails to. Perhaps this is the only reason Florida is taking action at all....and it is quite a disengenuous action at that due to the players involved.
I trust justice will be served, whether innocent or guilty. I think what most people are upset about is that Zimmerman wasn't arrested, and this failure was due to the complete confidence the police department had in Zimmerman. An initial investigation was hardly done. This is "fill-in-the-blank" investigation Florida will be conducting will likely be a scam. Does anyone even recognize Trayvon as a human being in this drama? I am sickened.
Perhaps the only God send in this entire ordeal is that the Feds, are indeed, involved closely.
renee-by the stalker's (zimmerman's) own words on the 9-1-1- call. By the fact that he called the boy a "coon", and implied that the boy was stealing and thieving. By the fact that the armed stalker (zimmerman) continued to follow the boy even though the dispatcher suggested he stop.
By the fact that the boy had a bag of skittles in his hand. Too bad he didn't have a gun-he might still be alive now, having successfully defended himself against a nutjob paranoid gun slinger vigilante agressor instigator.
Renee, Zimmerman listed race as one of his reasons for suspicion.
you have seen the msnbc verson of Travon or whatever his name is, but here is his facebook pic..... more like the gangsta thug look to me.
So unfortunate that what you "look" like gets you shot, eh?
Just like there's no such thing as rape, because of what all those women "looked" like.
Zimmerman doesn't look black so everyone wants to make him out to be racist. Funny how that works isn't?
if it talks like a gansta, walks like a gansta, dresses like a gangsta, has a facebook page that shows him looken like a gangsta, guess what.... he gets shot. Hey, even i can look innocent if you went back to my 8th grade pic........ how about showing his latest gangsta pics instead of the "little innocent boy" crap in the State Controlled Obama Media pics?
harry, the fact that kids like to mug for the camera does not mean they deserve to die.
Look at all the crooked suits on Wall Street, look at all the suits holding political seats, look at the pedophiles wearing coaching uniforms - give me a break with "looks".
@harry0052
It's doesn't matter whether Trayvon Martin looked like a gangsta or not. This is a free country and people should be able to dress how they want and not get shot.
yes and little trayvon was just whistling Disney songs and so totally innocent of it all. All i can say is that if my neighborhood was being robbed by young black hoodlums and i seen this cat strolling down the street, id sure have my gun locked and loaded and ready. Attempted robbery and two carjacking attempts have taught me a lot in regards to young black males strolling down the street, and being from the south side of chicago is a real learning curve as far as race is concerned. Just look at every single neighborhood they have moved into and see what has happened to the town..... once proud neighborhoods destroyed by no one taking care of the property, and stores closing down because they are being robbed blind, and nothing but drugs and gangs...... just check it out, and you will see why the whites flee and home values plummet when they move in..... its just a fact of life in chicago, and not being racist. Roseland, Harvey, Dixmore, South Holland, Markham, Chicago Heights, Olympia Fields, Blue Island, all destroyed and ghettos now.
More and more info is coming out: Zimmerman stupidly followed Trayvon, but indications are that Zimmerman was hit from behind by a much bigger kid then the pics posted by the Press of a m-u-c-h younger Trayvon. Zimmerman had a broken nose; and a witness has Zimmerman being pummeled by the much bigger and stronger Trayvon; zpolice reports indicate the young man was shot from the front while being beating the man with the gun; The female witness in this article says Zimmermen wasn't doing anything to help- but holding his back while straddling him after this shooting indicates nothing. He was probably in shock from the beting and the aftermath of events...So who was wrong here??? The police told Zimmerman not to follow but he did anyway OR Trayvon who was told by his girlfriend to run- but instead decided to double back and attack Zimmerman. There's a lot here, and the best thing to do is have an honest investigation and wait for the outcome when all facts will come to light. By the way, Obama's comments are just political fodder because this is white vs black, and he loves to use the race card whenevr he can exploit it...where has he been when black youth are being shot everyday by those of same color? Shouldn't he be against shootings of ANY race or color ALL the time. What a phoney. My condolances to both the Zimmerman and Martin families.
You are making some assumptions in there yourself. Tempting, isn't it?
Sorry, fireplace. If zimmerman was being pummeled from above, he wouldn't have been able to get the gun out without the gun being taken away from him.
What happened was that the stalker (zimmerman) came up behind the boy, grabbed at him, and the boy, frightened, turned around and began to defend himself. Which was what he was legally and morally obligated to do. The stalker (zimmerman) fell back, hit his head, drew out his gun, and shot the boy.
The boy wasn't "doubling back". He was trying to get to what he thought was a safe location. His father's apartment.
If you want to see the real Travon, go to his facebook page..... there you will see what he really was, a gangsta thug, and if i saw him by my house looken like that, id be loading and cocking myself.
Let me get this straight a young kid walking down the street with Candy and an iced tea... going to his future step mom's house for the game or to play games with friends and family... it was raining.. so pulls his hoodie up to keep dry as possible. any person would do that white or black or native american or hispanice or mexican.. no matter what color of skin they were. This so called captain of the local neighbor watch patrol .. saw this kid suspicious with somthing in his hands that he could not see.. I could have simply called to the kid and ask how he was doing . and politely asked if he needed direction.. but no instead he treated this poor kid like a common thug. whether it came from past experience.. but you DO NOT follow the suspect.. LET the Police handle it. they are properly trained to handle situations like this .. and this neighborhood captain was too overly zealous thought he was mr big man who is gonna save the neighbor... this could have been prevented if he listened to the Police dispatcher telling to NOT follow this kid... This kid could have been still alive today.... I have one question for Mr. Zimmerman, what would have happened if the kid did have a gun instead of Candy and iced Tea.. Mr Zimmerman I would strongly believe you would have been the one on the ground dead from a gunshot wound.. cuz theminute you yelled at that kid you would have been shot... but that did not happened now did it... You simply ignored the police telling you to stay away and let the trained professionals handle this case... but instead you chose to ignore the request of the police followed and scared this kid into running and you shot him in COLD BLOODED MURDER!!!!! I hope they charge you and I hope you get convicted and I hope you rot in hell in prison... this kid could have had a promising career that could have saved someone life or help others in a meaningful way.. instead you killed him now we will never know what this kid could have been .. could a brain surgeon or the next president who would rally for the american public.. and not the corporate world. like our past presidents before Obama.
You forgot to say that he was dancing and singing a Walt Disney tune.
if these people would just go to his facebook page, they would see the real Treyvor. He looks just like one of obamas poll watchers that were carrying billy clubs.
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Regardless how this turns out, Joe Oliver is a good man. He has to know that speaking out on behalf of Zimmerman will result in those who want to convict Zimmerman before he has his day in court somehow thinking that Oliver is a traitor. Given that, if I were in trouble and needed somebody to stand beside me, I would want a friend like Joe Oliver.
Joe don't know squat!!! He interjects himself into a story to get face time. Period. He does not care about Georgie boy nor Trayvon. He is looking for a damn job! Sorry SOB.
After this, Zimmerman will never get hired any where,especially not a police officer.
Zimmerman called the police to report that Martin was acting suspiciously. The dispatcher told him he didn't need to follow the teenager. He followed him anyway. An altercation broke out, and Martin was shot, and killed by Zimmerman. If Zimmerman hadn't followed him, Martin would not have been shot and killed by Zimmerman. Zimmerman acted contrary to what he was advised to do, by the police. I firmly believe in the right to carry a concealed weapon, if you have the proper permit. But Zimmerman went beyond what the law allows, since he instigated the incedent by following Martin, after being advised not to do that. The burden is on him, and his lawyer to prove self-defense. He killed the boy, and a judge and jury will be responsible for deciding self-defense, or assault, with a weapon, and murder.
If you've been following along, some don't care about what's been confirmed.
Mark i agree with most of what you have said... except for the police part. Let me tell you why
I work in a bar and on a evening I had a inraged young black man get upset about something, in the procces of this he pulled out a firearm. He was outside threating to kill 16 people inside the bar i was resposible for. So i called 911, the police headquarters and jail are 5 city blocks from the bar.
While on the phone with dispatch im told to lock the front door and wait as officers are on the way. You can hear in the recording the young man threasting to kill everybody..... 18 minutes go buy on the phone 18 MINUTES!!! the suspect was able to go to his car 5 times and elude officers that evening.
They caught him 3 days later and arrested him. His story was completley different the the 17 of the witnesses stories... Needless to say that young man is in prison now.
The point of this story is the police dont want to stop a crime in action, they are only there to fill out paper work and draw lines. They dont get payed enough in my town and will tell you they dont want to engage a armed person. So i wouldnt have listened to dispach if I thought something was wrong myself. Time to response is so important to handling situations.
Freedman1 sounds like a typical Florida Juror. Sure hope he isn't called on this one!
I understand that making it a hate crime would produce a stiffer sentence.The only factor that I see as relevant is that Zimmerman was told to stand down and he did not. Anything that happened after that is directly related to Zimmerman's actions.
The Zimmerman bum just couldn't pick on somebody his own size. A round in the ring with Mohammed Ali should await him -just for a starter.
you do realize that young man was 6'2 and not the litte boy you see in photos right??? I mean your not that dumb are you? They have already disclosed the photos being used are over 5 years old. Not to mention I kickbox and there are plenty of woman and kids his age that hand me my ars when sparring... dont let age or size nor gender hinder your opinion. That is just plain ignorant, if you beleive your statement true....
Why not have an Internet trial??
I don't think we get any choice in that one.
So let me get this right.... If it was a Black on Black or White on White or Hispanic on Hispanic crime we all would still just be watching American Idiol right... cause who gives a crap about those crimes.... Race has nothing to do with this crime... mindless sheep lead by their Hilter... sound familar????
If race had nothing to do with this crime, then why did Zimmerman list it as one of his reasons for "suspicion"?
Because the kid was acting suspiciously and his black neigbor friend even said that most of the high crimes in the neighborhood where comitted by blacks.... So when looking for suscpicious people you would tend to go with the discription. Wouldnt you?
Bottom line for me is let justice take its place. If the man is guilty by all means throw the book at him... There is more to this story then a suspended from high school, 6 foot 2, not being displined child, angel now in the eyes of all due to left wing media using a 5 year old photo to sell his child likness. Unseal the childs records and let the truth come out please...
I think the focus should be that Zimmerman was acting outside of his responsibility of neighborhood WATCH. He was told not to follow him and he took the law into his own hands. I think he might have been paranoid about previous crimes and that could have motivated him, however, he still has to take responsibility for what he did. I don't see this as a racial issue so much as a vigilante type of issue. NONE of us were there and saw what really happened, but at the least it seems like negligent homicide.
This case and yes, there will be a case, trial and conviction, is one of many"real life" problems throughout our country. We are all equal, no white, black, hispanic or asian individual is better than anyone else. We have no right to question the integrity of someone, especially if they have not stepped into our comfort zone. We all are on this earth together and it is time we all work together to make our world better. Otherwise, killing each other off, one by one, will never solve anything.
If this is not a hate crime please someone tell me what he meant when he called trayvon a fuc^$#@ COON, can someone please explain it to me because maybe Im the confused on????????????????
Where have you heard this information??? Media im sure cause that was never said.... dont buy eveything your sold
I heard it on the 911 tape that was released, the one of zimmerman himself.
Why is it that when BLACK people get injured or hurt that communities and local governemnts get scared and feel they have to do something to appease the communities...? I'll tell you why. Its because of the actions of these same people and their left leaning bigot friends that will take to the streets and RIOT.
Oh they will call it protesting in the name of some good cause but we all see the destruction that comes from it. Dont be decieved..... its a part of the culture. You may feel I am a racist or something akin ...but I am not. I do however have my own prejudices or inclinations but that comes from experience.
All people of every race have felt and do feel these pre-determined ideas....even if they may seem to others as racist biases. I assure you I treat all people the way I would want to be treated and I expect that when I treat someone in an ill manner they will in turn do so to me.
When I was raised I was heard that black people would rob you and harm you if you were not careful and in the wrong place at the right time. This has always turned out to be the case in my experience and I am sure many others as well. However, I do not hate all black people ...just ones that do these crimes and ones that I "think" may do these crimes.
I do know from experience that ALL .......ok I know some black people will say and some white .....will say not ALL but If I am lying ....well let god strike me down......you ALL know its true.....ALL black people ...raise their kids to distrust ALL WHITE people. Maybe even other races as well but at least ALL white people.
Now with that in mind .....do ALL white people mis-trust ALL black people....? Were they raised that way? Even your upsatnding god fearing black people are raised to mis-trust ALL white people. Come on ... you know its the truth. I have and had many black people tell me to my face and when confronted they will tell you YES we were raised to mis-trust ALL white people. So how is it that ALL white people are the racist?
I tell you the truth ...until All people of every creed and color decide that evil is wrong then evil will be wrong...and actions will be thier behavior. Good actions will result from good behavior and Evil actions will result from evil behavior.
Lastly, we all have our preconcieved ideas ....most of which turn out to be true. However, it is not based on color so much as culture. I am not a bigot to color. I am not a bigot to sex. But I am so called bigot .... when it comes to a culture that on one hand says it values woman in church (and thier mothers) but will gladly rape a young girl at party with a whole bunch of other guys/girls. I am a bigot when a culture allows for the permissive tearing down of family values such as purity, self worth and a hard work ethic for self gratification, gangster life styles and governemnt subsidies. This would include all other color and creeds as well as black. Yeah I am a biogot I guess.
I suppose Jesus is a bigot too. The Samaritan could have kept on going and not helped ..... but it was because he was a good person that he helped. It wasnt his skin color or the travelers that made him do the right thing. As such .... we need to be aware of our differences and what makes us afraid of one another and learn. Maybe then .....maybe then ..... but probably not. Evil will win in this lifetime and I cant wait for the next. Praise be to My lord and Christ ..Jesus.
Since Jesus would have been considered black, no he wouldn't. Its how white treat blacks is the reason why blacks think the way they do.
Ken-
Another attempt to rewrite history by the left leaning socialist anti-American Anti-Christian zealots. Scripture clearly describes Mary as being Jew. A descendant from Abraham. Joseph also a Jew but not Jesus's Biological father.
23And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
24Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,
25Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,
26Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,
27Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,
28Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,
29Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,
30Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,
31Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,
32Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,
33Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,
34Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,
35Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,
36Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,
37Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
As a Jew ....which scripture clearly states came from the Arabic race ......... how would Jesus be considered....Black or African? He is a Jew. If you mean to say that he MAY have been dark in skin color ..... The Jewish race came out of the Ur of the Chaldees .....
Ur is considered by many to be the city of Ur Kasdim mentioned in the Book of Genesis (Biblical Hebrew אוּר) as the birthplace of the patriarch Abram (Abraham; Arabic: Ibrahim), traditionally believed to be sometime in the 2nd millennium BC.
In Genesis 12:1, after Abram and his father Terah have left Ur Kaśdim for the city of Harran in Aram-Naharaim, God instructs Abram to leave his native land (Hebrew mowledeth). The traditional Jewish understanding of the word mowledeth is "birthplace"
Arabs.... Arabs can be dark in skin color and they are not Black ...in the meaning yu are using.
After the flood there were three sons of Noah that repoopulated the earth.
Shem, Ham and Japeth
Shem's descendants
Shem is traditionally held to be the ancestor of the Semitic people; Religious Jews and Arabs consider themselves sons of Shem through Arpachshad (thus, Semites).
In the view of some 17th century European scholars (e.g., John Webb), the people of China and India descended from him as well.[5]
[edit] Arpachshad's family (genealogy of Abraham) and the Line of Joktan
The genealogy at this point lists several generations of Arpachshad's descendants, on account of their connection with the Hebrew nation and the rest of Genesis:
[edit] Joktan's Sons
Ham's descendants
Africans were thus anciently understood to be the sons of Ham, particularly his descendant Cush, as Cu@!$%#es are referred to throughout scripture as being the inhabitants of East Africa, and they and the Yoruba still trace their ancestry through Ham today. Beginning in the 9th century with the Jewish grammarian Judah ibn Quraysh, a relationship between the Semitic and Cu@!$%#ic languages was seen; modern linguists group these two families, along with the Egyptian, Berber, Chadic, and Omotic language groups into the larger Afro-Asiatic language family. In addition, languages in the southern half of Africa are now seen as belonging to several distinct families independent of the Afro-Asiatic group. Some now discarded Hamitic theories have become viewed as racist; in particular a theory proposed in the 19th century by Speke, that the Tutsi were supposedly Hamitic and thus inherently superior.[citation needed]
The 17th-century Jesuit, Athanasius Kircher, thought that the Chinese had also descended from Ham, via Egyptians.[5]
Japheth's descendants
Note: the Greek Septuagint (LXX) of Genesis includes an additional son of Japheth, "Elisa", in between Javan and Tubal; however, as this name is found in no other ancient source, nor in I Chronicles, he is almost universally agreed to be a duplicate of Elisha, son of Javan. Nevertheless, the presence of Elisa (as well as that of Cainan son of Arpachshad, below) in the Greek Bible accounts for the traditional enumeration among early Christian sources of 72 families and languages, from the 72 names in this chapter, as opposed to the 70 names, families and languages usually found in Jewish sources.[citation needed]
Japheth is traditionally seen as the ancestor of Europeans, as well as some more eastern nations; thus Japhetic has been used as a synonym for Caucasians. Caucasian itself derives in part from the assumption that the tribe of Japheth developed its distinctive racial characteristics in the Caucasus, where Mount Ararat is located. The term Japhetic was also applied by the early linguists (brothers Grimm, William Jones, Rasmus C. Rask and others) to what later became known as the Indo-European language group, on the assumption that, if descended from Japheth, the principal languages of Europe would have a common origin, which apart from Uralic, Kartvelian, Pontic, Dagestanian, and Basque, appears to be the case. In a conflicting sense, the term was also used by the Soviet linguist Nikolai Marr in his Japhetic theory intended to demonstrate that the languages of the Caucasus formed part of a once-widespread pre-Indo-European language group.[citation needed
So much for FACTS......huh? Its an ineresting thing about FACTS ....they dont go away.
Fireplace: Obama did NOT,get it did NOT take sides in this at all.He simply said it is a tragedy and it is.You need to listen to whole interview on CNN.These women also stated it was Trayvon yelling for help.Also go to the National Sheriff Association website and find out what they have to say about this man and the so-called neighborhood watch program there.The NSA states under NO,get it NO circumstances was he to take the law into his own hands.You really should check on things before making yourself look stupid.
Odumba commenting at all on this matter shows he is a racist. Did he comment on the 6 year old little white girl who was shot to her death be a black gangster last week? NO why, cause he didn't care about a little white girl getting shot by a black man.
Do you have a link to the story, no. The only reason why he committed on the story is because someone asked him a question.
Colelee, are you really this stupid?
colelee, then Romney and Santorum are reacists too, becuase they were asked the same question and gave much the same answer.
Yes, ken, colelee is really that stupid, and I don't say that lightly.
colelee, the six year old was shot by two Latino men, with ties to the Latin Kings gang. Get your facts straight before you spew.
It was Obama's fault!!! I think he should step down!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i9iTYe6tEk&feature=related
I don't give a damm what color or race Zimmerman is, all I know by the stories is that he is a MURDERER!!!!!!! MURDERER!!!! MURDERER!!!!!!!!!!MURDERER!!!!!!
wow saying it in capital letters must make it true lololol. Punk a z z black kid shot. Now we won't have to house him in prison next year. cry me a river