Exactly. The photos circulating in the media are nearly 4 years old. Current photos of this kid don't look anything like you've seen on MSNBC. You think Obama's kid would have gold teeth and tattoos?

Who the h*ll cares if he had some marijuana "residue" in his bookbag !!

Christ, marijuana is probably one of the most valuable plants in the world with a thousand medicinal uses plus another thousand commercial uses as hemp. It is the safest recreational intoxicant known to mankind. Why do we keep demonizing this valuable plant? It's completely stupid.

Half the kids in America probably have marijuana "residue" in their bookbags.

This has nothing to do with the stalking and confrontation by Zimmerman that resulted in Trayvon's murder.

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If Zimmerman had marijuana residue in his bookbag he wouldn't have shot the kid.

What I love is that this is intended to villify Martin in the court of public opinion. However, recent polling shows that over half the U.S. population supports the decriminalization of cannabis. This is not a fact that is going to sway enough people to make the public do an "about-face" on the subject. People who already support Zimmerman will use this to "bolster their arguement" and those that support Martin will find it as much a non-issue as I did...

One other little tidbit... the baggie "may have contained pot" but had nothing in it at the time... almost 90% of the monetary bills in circulation have traces of cocaine on them... That makes us all as guilty as Martin in this instance, just because we are carrying cash...

This news doesn't need to be "leaked" by police. It was ALL OVER his facebook. Friends (thugs) asking him where he was because they needed "plant" -- clearly he was a drug dealer.

Where are the toxicology results on Zimmerman? Oh yeah, the Sanford police didn't take any and let him walk after interviewing him. It is my understanding that most states drug and alcohol screen shooters in any cases regardless of if the victim lived or not? All this stuff coming about Trayvon seems like a smear campaign by this guy's defense lawyer. His lawyer has been on the talk show circuit yesterday and today and all this stuff starts to come out that don't relate to the case, such as the facebook page that all of a sudden started popping up.

This guy Zimmerman was a complete PARANOID.

Calls 911 more than 50 times over NOTHING. Things like little 7 year olds playing.

The guy is a total nutcase.

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recent polling shows that over half the U.S. population supports the decriminalization of cannabis.

Maybe, but certainly not for minors.

almost 90% of the monetary bills in circulation have traces of cocaine on them... That makes us all as guilty as Martin in this instance, just because we are carrying cash...

This is an urban legend. Folks who can afford snortable coke can also afford proper paraphernalia.

Good one Stanford police for leaking that info which has nothing to do with the murder case. Let's destroy Martin's character and place distractions away from the Stanford police since they blotched the investigation from the start. Good one. No wonder the residents from that area distrust the police.

What's next? Martin kills puppies too?

Who cares? The classic red herring. Does this have ANYTHING to do with this case? And is the school system supposed to release to the media their disciplinary procedures for students?

Satanick - many public schools have banned that kind of dress, because it causes problems both during and after school. Do they ban only the baggy look, NO! Out went the skinny jeans too and the low cut tops too!

Zimmerman was also wearing a hoodie that night. But it was red, and I guess since he is Caucasian that doesn't count?

I-belive

Sorry to see any young person killed. But when music and culture teach are kids that dressing like a gang banger or a tug etc. is proper attire

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I am a 62 year old white male who finds a hoodie one of the most useful articles of attire ever invented, and often wear one. Does that make me a gang banger?

I don't care what "dirt" people try to dig up on Trayvon. The question remains, what crime was he(trayvon) committing to deserve being murdered? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! No matter how the media, ignorant racist, pacifists want to make Trayvon the guilty one, it won't work. Whether he sold pot or not, he was not doing anything wrong when he was murdered...that is what really matters! This man Zimmerman was the one looking for trouble. He went AGAINST police orders. Why are people on this post forgetting this? Zimmerman was the aggressor who provoked Trayvon. And if Trayvon was fighting back, so what? He did was anyone in his situation would have done. Zimmerman provoked Trayvon, plain and simple.

many public schools have banned that kind of dress, because it causes problems both during and after school.

Problems such as...?

Obviously problems with pot residue. Come on Satanic.

Also my dad grew up in the sixties, he had long hair and never buttoned up his shirt. His dad hated how he dressed. I grew up in the 80's/90's I wore Ramones t-@!$%#es suspenders and ripped skinny jeans. My dad hated how I dressed.

Fashion evolves and most of the time the older generation hates it.

Half the kids in America probably have marijuana "residue" in their bookbags.

This has nothing to do with the stalking and confrontation by Zimmerman that resulted in Trayvon's murder.

We all know that the pot/suspension has nothing to do with the murder. In fact no one is actually saying that. This is simply a campaign effort to counter all the positive BS the media pumped out for the last 3 weeks about how sweet and innocent Trayvon was.

Advice to victims and their families...be careful about RUNNING to the media to SHARE your tragedy. They will turn over every rock to get more dirt for their story. Nothing is out of bounds. Not facebook, school records, police reports, etc..

I sure wouldn't want my less then great moments put all over the news for everyone to judge.

Kids are kids, and 28 year old men with prior criminal assaults roaming the street with a gun and committing murder belong in jail (see definition of murder for clarification).

Any questions?

Regardless of what this 17 year old was suspended for, or how he dresses or appears in a Facebook page, the fact remains that he was a kid who DID NOT have any criminal record, and has been described by his teachers as a good student with a kind and cheerful disposition. He was a kid who reportedly was walking home to where he was staying with his father...after going to the neighborhood store to buy his little brother some candy. The facts state he was unarmed and he had committed no crime that we (or Zimmerman) are aware of. Therefore, these reported leaks concerning possible past incidents are unrelated and have nothing to do with this situation...they seem a diversion aimed at clouding the issue. Trayvon could have been a thirty year old convicted felon walking around on parole with a bag of marijuana in his pocket, and George Zimmerman still would have been in the wrong to arm himself with a handgun and leave his vehicle to chase/pursue and confront him. Zimmerman is NOT a police officer, and his actions would be viewed as aggressive and threatening by any normal, non-threatening person walking through a neighborhood.

Zimmerman acted against the rules of the Neighborhood watch group...and against the stated directions of the 911 operator who told him not to follow this young man, and even though he agreed to follow her directions and stop, he did not. That makes Zimmerman a liar, as well as refusing to follow orders/rules, and acting in a derelict and dangerous way. Zimmerman reportedly was arrested previously for assaulting a police officer...so why was he patrolling a neighborhood armed with a weapon? Are we really to trust Zimmerman's account of how Trayvon ended up shot by Zimmerman's weapon? Do we really understand why the Stanford P.D. closed this case so quickly without a thorough investigation?

So it turns out the facebook pics are of someone else named Trayvon Martin, not the victim in the case being debated.

"They killed my son and now they're trying to kill his reputation," she said.

The attempted character assassination of Trayvon Martin is another desperate attempt by the system to avoid arresting George Zimmerman for murder. It does not matter if Trayvon had been suspended 5 times. Such alleged suspensions still did not give Zimmerman the right to disobey police orders and get out of his car, stalk Trayvon, and in cold-blood, murder this child.

There is no legal justification for Trayvon's murder!

Zimmerman prowled for Trayvon.

This creep cannot claim self defense.

Zimmerman did not have legal authority or a valid reason for pursuing young, Mr. Martin.

If there was any altercation, against this stranger it was Trayon who was defending himself.

Why does our system not stand up for what is right and immediately arrest Zimmerman?

If Zimmerman rotted in prison for 40 years, he would still have his life.

...Trayvon will remain dead.

Yeah a baggie with marijuana residue. So it is ok for him to get shot for nothing. You wackjobs in the press and in real life, I know Reefer Madness still has a hold on you but understand it was propaganda. Guess weed residue is a whole lot worse than Zimmerman's violence.

justoneguy

Trayvon was most likely a lowlife. Did he 'deserve' to get shot? Nobody does. Let the investigation reveal what it might without all the screaming.

justoneguy,

How do you describe a "lowlife?"

People of reason are rejecting the media's attempt to disparage Trayvon's character.

Do you equate people of color as being lowlifes?

If you do, because of their color, you are advocating that people of color should be deprived of their very lives.

Here's are the facts on Zimmerman: he was arrested for resisting arrest, between January 1, 2012 and February 26th 2012, this nut called 911 at least 41 times; he disobeyed police orders not to get out of his car, he roamed the community with a gun looking for a person of color to kill, and this psychopath did just that, he saw a young Black male, aimed his gun at the stranger and killed a Black child.

Now, who do you think is the "lowlife?"

...surely, not Trayvon.

Zimmerman should be arrested!

deja vu Tawana Brawley

"They're trying to assassinate his character" And you mom are trying to cover it up and cash in. You yanked his Face Book pictures the next day and now you're trying to trade mark his name so the cash will flow to you. I agree with the rest of you that Zimmerman needs some jail time but Martin's mother is a piece of work. Mother of the year material anyone???????

If my head is getting bashed into the sidewalk, and if I'm carrying ~ I'm using.

Fine, but if you had been pursuing the person who performed the bashing, you'd likely be guilty of manslaughter.

I wonder if that's true, DrowningGrover. Let's freeze frame. Police arrive 5 minutes earlier. See Young Trayvon bashing a man's head in the sidewalk & pounding his face. Who get's arrested?

Freeze frame. Police arrive 10 minutes earlier, find both Martin & Zimmerman. Martin tells cops - 'This guy was following me.' Zimmerman tells cops 'I asked him his business in the neighborhood, and he ran off.' Who get's arrested?

At what point in time has the situation escalated into 'crime'?

No crime was committed until the physical altercation took place, but Zimmerman lost any/all right to claim he "stood his ground" when he exited his vehicle and chased Martin. The altercation took place far from Zimmerman's truck and the street (so Zim's "I was checking a streetsign" excuse is a clear lie), that's why it's manslaughter and not murder.

I think if the claim for 'standing one's ground' is made, it is at the point of criminality, ie, laying on the sidewalk getting a head bashing. That is a when shooting becomes self-defense, DrowningGrover. Isn't it?

BigAl Las Vegas

Were you there or simply responding to the "news" reports? Where were Jesse Jackson and Sharpton when other black youths were killed by black murderers? Yes, this was a tragic event, but you do NOT KNOW what happened.

I didn't know that skipping school and maybe smoking weed were crimes punishable by death. Guess you learn something new everyday.

Just when I thought this couldn't get anymore sickening, they start a smear campaign against a dead 17 year old boy. And what's worse??? Racists buy it and are happy about it.

Some of you people are downright gross. Thank God the nation is moving away from your mentalities.

Zimmerman was the aggressor who provoked Trayvon. And if Trayvon was fighting back, so what? He did was anyone in his situation would have done. Zimmerman provoked Trayvon, plain and simple.

AT one time Zimmerman was following, but IF Zimmerman was walking away and Trayvon then approached him, then Trayvon was the aggressor and that occurred right before the shooting. And I'm kinda thinking that is what I heard or read. If I'm wrong please show me.

Sarah, you're right. Skipping school and smoking pot are not crimes punishable by death. In fact, possession of women's rings, earrings, and burglary tools is not a crime punishable by death, either. While we're at it, assault on a man by punching his face and bashing his head into the sidewalk is also not a crime punishable by death.

On the other hand, self defense is not a crime at all.

Freedman,

It's been blatantly clear from the first time you posted about this on a different article that you are nothing more than a racist and that all the evidence to the contrary doesn't matter in the face of your bigotry. That being said, my mama always told me, "Never wrestle with a pig, everyone gets dirty and the pig loves it". Enjoy your hatred, I, as can most people, see it for what it is and have no desire to interact with you.

I think if the claim for 'standing one's ground' is made, it is at the point of criminality, ie, laying on the sidewalk getting a head bashing. That is a when shooting becomes self-defense, DrowningGrover. Isn't it?

Not really. The claim of "stand your ground" is lost on the first aggressive action, that is Zimmerman exiting his vehicle to pursue Trayvon. At that point, although he had not committed any crime, he loses "stand your ground" protection, and the author of the law agrees.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

Zimmerman (2) initially provoked the use of force against himself, and violated (2b) in that he did not in good faith attempt to withdraw from physical contact with Martin. If he was trying to withdraw from physical contact, he would not have left his vehicle on the side of the road and followed Trayvon down a side walkway, around a corner, and through several backyards before the final confrontation occured.

If Zimmerman was struck by Martin first, this is manslaughter as one cannot provoke a confrontation and then claim self-defense (and if Zim struck Martin first, it's clearly murder, although they'll never prove that as it's Zim's word against that of a dead man).

Trayvon is no innocent "little" child here. He is an angry young man who was going down the wrong path.

He learned what other young gang banges need to learn: you hit an armed man, you are going to get shot!

None of you address or want to address the fact that there are witnesses to the fact Trayvon was on top of George beating him. I guess denial is bliss but come on...

There was justice for Trayvon and he received it. You hit someone and he is armed the chances are you are going to die. Trayvon will never hit anyone else again.

I think we're letting ourselves get confused. Zimmerman's claim is one of self-defense.

When does self-defense kick in? Getting your head bashed in and a broken nose is not enough. A couple of broke ribs & Zimmerman has a claim? What does it take to defend yourself? Are you suggesting Zimmerman lost all rights to self defense the moment he got out of his car?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2110078/Boy-13-doused-gasoline-set-alight-racially-motivated-attack-Kansas-City.html

Who will speak for this child at the hearing on race relations today?

Too bad, everyone believes the first Media Report is true on all subjects.

The American Public must not jump the gun in assuming what is first reported on any subject, is the truth, exact details of a horrific story such as this one or any other.. There are 911 calls, damning to Trayvon Martin. He was murdered of which no one deserves. Sympathies to his parents, but they right now what to only think about what they remember.

Zimmerman has not been charged yet. Why?---Is there more to come out about this murder? One doesn't break his own nose, nor bash their head--The Florida Police are sloppy (I've had experience with them)---much like the series of Mayberry.

I think we're letting ourselves get confused. Zimmerman's claim is one of self-defense.

I'm not confused. His claim of self-defense is bull@!$%#.

Are you suggesting Zimmerman lost all rights to self defense the moment he got out of his car?

Basically yes, and the author of Stand your ground agrees with me. While not technically the moment he got out of the car, it became so when he chased Trayvon down a sidewalk and through several backyards (several hundred feet), at that point he was giving up his self-defense claim. You cannot provoke a confrontation and then claim self-defense when the ensuing altercation isn't going the way you thought it might.

Nevermind the fact that Zimmerman's claim to police that he "exited his vehicle to check a street-sign" is clearly BS, as one doesn't leave the street to go behind a row of townhomes to check a streetsign. His statement is clear lie.

{Note, the altercation and body took place between 1231 Twin Trees Lane and 2821 Retreat View Circle per the police report. Check the map, there is no way Zimmerman went down that walkway to "check a street sign" nor does his 911 call in anyway suggest he was intent on returning to his vehicle).

http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=1231+Twin+Trees+Lane,+Sanford,+FL&daddr=2821+Retreat+View+Cir,+Sanford,+FL+32771&hl=en&ll=28.792908,-81.329609&spn=0.00099,0.001601&sll=28.792764,-81.32948&sspn=0.007917,0.01281&geocode=FS1YtwEdoAEn-yndu6QxmBLniDFyQgo766n8sQ%3BFbxXtwEduAIn-ynB2q4vmBLniDErvh1tDxUHlw&oq=1231+twin&mra=atm&dirflg=w&t=m&z=19

Who will speak for this child at the hearing on race relations today?

Probable the police who are investigating that crime that they claim is a "hate crime." Stop posting this BS, it has nothing to do with this Zimmerman/Martin case, you're wasting space and brain cells.

As an aside, I asked one of my gang banger buddies about tactics. He told me that baiting is a big tool in the gang business. Basically, it entails assessing the opponent. If you think he's out of shape - run him. Make him chase you. He'll be winded, you can take him out a lot easier.

If my head is getting bashed into the sidewalk, and if I'm carrying ~ I'm using.

If your head is getting smashed into the sidwalk because you stalked and harassed, you deserve it.

Zimmerman, by exiting his verhicle after being told not to, was clearly the architect of his own demise in any physical altercation that took place

As an aside, I asked one of my gang banger buddies about tactics. He told me that baiting is a big tool in the gang business. Basically, it entails assessing the opponent. If you think he's out of shape - run him. Make him chase you. He'll be winded, you can take him out a lot easier.

Your posts just get more and more ridiculous. Seriously? You're gang-banging buddies? You think Trayvon was baiting Zimmerman? He was a couple backyards from his damn house! Zimmerman didn't have to get out of his truck and follow Martin into those backyards.

I get it, you take Zimmerman at his word as if Zimmerman has no agenda in pushing a particular narrative, and you ignore that fact that the location of the altercation and Zim's own 911 tape completely destroy the narrative he's pushing (i.e., "poor me, I was simply checking a street sign and returning to the my truck when I got jumped" despite the fact that the incident occurred no where near a street sign nor his truck).

Now you're accusing Martin of being a gangbanger simply because by asserting so, you can absolve yourself or any remorse about this situation and feel like Zimmerman did nothing wrong in this entire tragedy.

I can't fathom how any objective observer can listen to the 911 tapes in this case, look up where the incident occurred, look at how the Sanford PD handled (or mishandled) this case, and come to the conclusion that George Zimmerman is a saint and did no wrong here. It's just mind-numbing, manslaughter at the very least....

Freedman,

It's been blatantly clear from the first time you posted about this on a different article that you are nothing more than a racist and that all the evidence to the contrary doesn't matter in the face of your bigotry. That being said, my mama always told me, "Never wrestle with a pig, everyone gets dirty and the pig loves it". Enjoy your hatred, I, as can most people, see it for what it is and have no desire to interact with you.

^this. I tried very hard for over a week now to try and have a civil conversation with freedman and come to reasonable conclusions on this case, but he's quite simply making up any assertion and claiming whatever facts he has to in order to state that George Zimmerman did NO WRONG in any of this. I'm sorry, but that crap doesn't fly. It's looking more and more like the quoted above is the case here although I loathe to insinuate such...

When Trayvons mother says "they killed my son", who is she referring to, whitey? If so then she is the one holding the race card. As far as we know Zimm acted alone and regardless of what racial slur some may think they hear on the 911 tapes, the audio is not clear enough to determine any word at all. You hear what you want to hear. As for the Black Panthers, they are a discredit to the race (the human race) and are clearly an outlaw organization and need to be locked-up for perpetuating racism. It is very sad when any child dies, even if the child himself were the cause, and it would appear that is what happened. I am not defending Zimm and believe he will face a jury, but it looks like he is guilty of nothing more than defending his own life.

I get it, you take Zimmerman at his word

That's exactly right DrowningGrover. That is the entire basis of our legal system. It works the same way whether your name is O.J. Simpson, Anthony Casey, or George Zimmerman. In the United States every man is assumed to be innocent. Somebody else has to prove him guilty. If there are alternate theories, the one the exonerates the man is the one that is chosen. That's because there has to be no reasonable doubt in anybody's mind that the man committed a crime. That takes 12 unanimous votes of a jury.

In this case, that might be hard to achieve. I have a reasonable doubt. It sure seems possible that this man was in fact attacked, feared for his life and well being, and responded legally to an assault by reason of self defense. Sometimes, it's the cops that are begging the D.A. to prosecute a man because he's a scum bag. But they cannot if they can't prove the particulars in front of them. In this case all the evidence in front of the men that initially investigated the scene seemed to indicate the same thing.

I'm all for a Grand Jury investigating the facts. Let it happen. It will take a couple more weeks for that to take place. In the meantime, George Zimmerman stands as an innocent man. That is my assumption, and it should be yours too.

I tell you what, I have the utmost respect for Joe Oliver, the black man who has come forward as Zimmerman's friend. Who says he's known Zimmerman for ten years, and believes his story. What kind of guts is that? Would you stand up for your friend in the middle of a lynching? I wonder if he's an Uncle Tom? Is he black enough, do you think? One thing Oliver did say is that he thinks the press made things worse by describing Zimmerman as white. Oliver says Zimmerman is Latino, and it should have been reported that way from the beginning. Oliver also says the whole incident could have been avoided had Trayvon simply responded with "I'm staying with my dad."

FYI - I really do know some gang bangers. At least wannabe's. Doesn't everybody? I know rappers, and Christians, Muslims and atheists too. Nonetheless, I am told that baiting is a common gang tool.

freedman1

If my head is getting bashed into the sidewalk, and if I'm carrying ~ I'm using.

feedman1,

Trayvon was not a threat to anyone.

Zimmerman should never have been near Trayvon.

Against police orders, this rogue "sociopathic cowboy" stalked Trayvon.

It is clear that you are an insignificant person in your dwelling, your community, if you "work" your job and clearly in the world. Without your hate to submerge yourself into, freedman(000000000000000000000000000000000000000000) you would be left to crawl into a corner and just rot. As long as there are freedom and justice "robbers" like you, people of good conscience will always work to ensure that our system is fair.

Zimmerman deserves a long, hard stretch in a Florida prison.

Sarah,

I agree with you.

freedman(0) is a true racist.

He and his racist posse enjoy spewing their venom.

People who have common sense do not buy their lies and "deflective" twists.

Against Trayvon, the smear campaign will not work.

Zimmerman killed an innocent Black child.

Oliver also says the whole incident could have been avoided had Trayvon simply responded with "I'm staying with my dad."

Hell, I can do one better. This whole incident could have been avoided had Zimmerman simply followed the instructions of 911 dispatch and stayed in his damn truck.

Above is a prime example of why this case is so sad. Ignorance of the actual law as cited correctly by Freedman1, and then attacking HIM for writing the truth you disagree with.

Go ahead..attack me while you're at it...but first you'd better look up the real law...not that of your own (arbitrary and varied) personal ignorant opinion.

PS: It wouldn't hurt you to look SOMETHING up. Start with "arbitrary."

Go ahead..attack me while you're at it...but first you'd better look up the real law...not that of your own (arbitrary and varied) personal ignorant opinion.

I hope you're not talking to me, as I've actually cited the relevant portions of the law on this very thread.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0776/0776.html

Specifically, 776.041 applies here.

Ignorance of the actual law as cited correctly by Freedman1, and then attacking HIM for writing the truth you disagree with.

While Freedman1 correctly cites the law, he improperly points to Martin as the sole aggressor in the incident, when it's rather clear by 911 tapes, the directive of 911 dispatch, the location of the body in relation to the street, and the statements by Martin's girlfriend (if they are to be believed) that Zimmerman pursued Martin thereby acting aggressively and losing the protection of the "stand your ground" law. And the author of the law agrees with me.

My comment directly above @ #1.65 is referring to 25Walker's comment @1.63.

Drowning Grover: Thanks for your comments, but particularly what you wrote in your last paragraph is conjecture only... the 911 tapes are ANYTHING but clear...Martin's girlfriend's "statements"..., etc, etc..(the rest).

C'mon now!

Is it just me or is no one bothered by the fact that the kid was in a
"Gated" Fenced-in, Community that had posted signs, and community
watch signs on their walls.... So the kid is at least guilty of Trespassing...
should he get shot for that ... Absolutely not !!! So when Zimmerman
"pursued" 6'-3" 150lb Martin everyone seems to infer that it was
a "Public" street where this happened, and not a "Private"
posted community, too bad they didn't have camera's like most places where you
live behind walls! I think that anything that "We", the public spew
out our collective mouths is pure speculation, let all the facts come out then
make up your minds... The only thing that we can be sure of is that this IS a
Tragic incident for "ALL" involved!!!

Is it just me or is no one bothered by the fact that the kid was in a
"Gated" Fenced-in, Community that had posted signs, and community
watch signs on their walls.... So the kid is at least guilty of Trespassing...

I'm sure it's not just you, but that doesn't make your statement relevant. Trayvon was not trespassing. He was a guest of a resident in that community - his father's fiance.

Annie-1496690

Above is a prime example of why this case is so sad. Ignorance of the actual law as cited correctly by Freedman1, and then attacking HIM for writing the truth you disagree with.

Go ahead..attack me while you're at it...but first you'd better look up the real law...not that of your own (arbitrary and varied) personal ignorant opinion.

PS: It wouldn't hurt you to look SOMETHING up. Start with "arbitrary."

Annie,

Thank you for giving me the "opportunity" to expand on my comments about freedman's(0) racist rants.

Arrogantly, you state "look SOMETHING up."

As freedman(0) is a clear hater and you may clandestinely admire him, I will push this aspect aside and start with the highest law in the land.

The Declaration of Independence:

"...all men are...endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

The U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence are the unsurpassable laws of this land.

You can visit Washington, D.C.'s national archives and view both of these documents for yourself.

Florida's "arbitrary" stand your ground law cannot give sick, racist vigilantes, such as Zimmerman, the right to snuff out innocent lives, such as the young life of Trayvon Martin. "Arbitrary" laws do not give citizens the right to tout guns, kill at will, falsely claim "self defense" and, thus, circumvent our Constitution, the amendements and the Declaration of Independence.

"Ignorance?"

Ignorance is believing that a less than reputable citizen such as Zimmerman: who was twice arrested for assault, had a girlfriend who took out a restraining order on him to protect herself, who within 2 months called 911 41 times, on February 26, 2012, who disobeyed Sanford police orders not to get out of his car, who had a gun visibly strapped to his body, who without any legal justification accosted Trayvon, and then shot and killed him: was only engaging in an act of "self defense."

If you chose to believe the above totally unbelievable self-defense "crutch," you are free to do so.

Freedman(0) is attacking a dead child.

There is nothing more sad and cowardly than freedman's(0) actions.

You can "lock" arms with him.

In his horrible nonsense, you are free to join freedman(0.)

25Walker Good post sir. The sad part is, that people like him or Switchblade make it on a jury. I have to wonder just how they stood on the Casey Anthony case(SB you still have yet to respond to me on the other story, you know about your toting a gun as well).

Switchblade

Aside from the "male machoism" in your reply,

Well excuse me, I hadn't thought of it that way??! I guess you could take it that way couldn't you HA ha.

I was more in the line of it being, a FREE Alaskan AMERICAN ! You have not rights to put you hands on anyone what so ever. And as far as the: how do you know that you would be successful in "kicking me all around?" .It is in Jest--Man you crack me up--- Or did you think otherwise??? Were you thinking like I was daring you or something>>>???

See that is what I would call two perfectly good examples of misinterpretingthe meaning of what I meant in my statement. Am I anger towards you.? No I have no anger or hate about this or what you think or believe. AND finally the best one for you You'll love it I promise!!

I too carry a concealed weapon or in the summer I carry it out in the open

I feel sorry for you that you have to have that to feel safe---REALLY I do. Me I have no worries (As Mick would say) But mostly I hope that you never find yourself in Zimmermans shoes. Becausse you're the one that make the choice to killl or to wound.

And yes that would have been all that would have been needed, not to kill. So you, your self take care. .I am not a train expet in anything but I do know how to cripple someone If I have to,But I don't have to, see.

#1.214 - Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:13 PM EDT

I'll save you the trouble of going back to where you don't want to go, and the last comment to you below this one

Oh one more thing there Switchblade

I have seen people like you that carry a concealed weapon, They all have entered into their altercation with supremacy(acting the tough guy)because they know that they are packing, It gives them the feeling of power over whomever they confront. I've seen them take on more than they could handle and that is when they go for their gun,even though they should have stayed out of it. And they were arrested for brandishing a firearm in a public place with the intent to do harm . No one got killed I might add, because their were to many people around to tell the story that they were the one to instegate the confrontation. So you see it is to bad that there was no one with Trayvon. If there were I do not think that Mr. Zimmerman would have been so quick to kill or to even confront them. He felt safe knowing he had a gun for backup. It is easy to call the police and say that someone is coming after you,even while your in pursuit of them and make them out to be the bad guy to support your claims as to having to defend yourself from dangerous people. You feel one way about this and I on the other side and Yes when the D.A. has Zimmerman arrested and charges brought against him for manslauter the lawyers and the D.A. will have their chance to prove their cases. They should have arrested him, Taken his cloths from that night and they should have drug tested him as they did Trayvon They should have taken his gun they should have a lot of photos to show Zimmerman's face that night and they should have done a better job of all thing pertaining to this killing. Zimmerman should have left his gun in his car, but really he should not have left his car.

He should not have Presumed he was guilty of wrong doing, On his first contact with Trayvon he should have Said who he was and not talked like he was demanding his answer and in his following of Trayvon he should have went up to him from the very beginning and not have taken so long to do so. So as not to make Trayvon feel terrorized and frightened.. Hi.my name is George Zimmerman I am on the neighborhood watch program here in this neighborhood, just wondering what your up to and to see if your lost? are you lost? Like Mr freeman1 had stated he has done both,been the one asking the questions an been the one answering the questions from a local resident(Bet the resident did not watch him for a long time before making his first contact with him either) .Getting back to last night statement concerning kicking you all around. Just for the sake of argument you putting your hands on me or pushing me is an assalt on me, you have already broken the law haven't you. so being within my rights I do have the right to defend myself from you (the instigator Right?) you may think you have the upper hand but I am not 17 an140 lbs,I am a man, in his 50's,and about 200 lbs. So I do know when it is time to talk and when it is time to cripple you for life. You would not get up you would not have the oppertunity to go for your weapon. You would have to have your hand on your gun the whole time you were near me, as you would not have a chance to pull it out to use, after you push me of coarse.(that is where Mr.Zimmerman went wrong again)ANd if your hand is on your weapon, Then you are the one that is being the terroristic threat,aren't you...Yes you would be.

prime example of knowing when to talk an fight watch the movie Wiatt Earp(Kevin Costner) In the beginning his dad tells him that very thing, he learned it. So have I from my own experiences. I too know that fist fighting get you an them hurt I did not say fist fight either(as he smiles a sly smile to you sir get the picture here ) See in life we all die. It's how we die that matters. And I am a firm believer in when it is your time.... It is time,no getting around that one.(least wise for me)

IF you really care to know It was Zimmerman that was the terrorist Putting fear into a person that had done nothing wrong and minding his own business.

I do not have to wish or hope that someone takes out Mr.Zimmerman either way they find him guilty or not. You can count on your last dollar that someone will use that same defence on Mr Zimmerman. Heck it might even be used on you one day. So please do not be so quick to put your noise in someone else's business. That is a sure fire way to get hurt or even killed. So when you finally read this post do not take it as a personal attack on you,because it is not. I would not want you to misinterpret me again. So enjoy your day Life is short. Sometimes you just never know do you!??

You can also bet that both sides of the legal argument teams will be looking into all these comments to use the very things that we have said here on this vine for their defence and prosecution.

I still think your comment was a COLD HEARTED thing to say NO ONE DESIRVESE THAT

What people wear does not make them any kind of thug or gang banger. I am now in the city where Zimmerman moved from and found that he took his criminal way with him to Fla. They has requested that they take all of his records off the internet but I have seen them before they did that. If someone was following me for no reason I would fight to. If you get backed up in a corner you are going to fight your way out. So what makes Trayvon any different. Will you judge your daughter being a hoe when she walks out the house with a tank top and mini skirt on? And when she gets assaulted because of what she is wearing, wouldn't you want justice for that crime. Then the parents of Trayvon is no different either. What makes them different is because of the color of their skin, which I think is BS!!!

I agree Kathy, good posting. Voted up!

@Kathy,

So, you confirm, Zimmerman has more of a criminal history, than is being alleged?

Yep, as it turns out it is deja vu Tawana Brawley. If there had been a case against Zimmerman the cops would have got him and locked him up that very night. That police chief saw the racial hysteria coming and made the correct decision to step down, because he knew he would become a kicking boy and lightning rod and that no amount of facts or reason were going to stop it. The activists were going to get their way and the media was going to play it up, all because of all the PC crap in this country. Just more racial hysteria by racists like Al Sharpton.

Sign me up to be shot next, I have plenty of bags that used to contain marijuana, guess I deserve to die.

Thats the way this article makes it sound. small bag of NOTHING = good enough excuse to be killed! Pathetic!

this is about his supension, it is part of the public debate. there is no reason anybody should be shot but for the facts directly related to the incident. but if i am going to make an informed opinion on this matter i do want to know these things. in fact, it may helpthe deceased case if his suspension was only for this. had it been something along the lines of theft or being in an unauthorized area, it is completely relevant to the event and changes the narrative greatly.

Oh, but don't you remember all those news articles from the 20s and 30s about how marijuana make those damn "darkies" get all uppity and violent, so they'd start raping white women? (sorry if that sounded racially insensitive, but I was making an ironic and hyperbolic point) I can see that this is where it's headed; "Martin was a crazed pot-head, who attacked Zimmerman unprovoked because he was suffering *reefer madness*." It's a non-issue that has nothing to do with what happened, and is just intended to color your perspective against Martin as "another black trouble-maker". In fact, I imagine that had Martin been stoned at the time, he'd have been less aggressive in his response to Zimmerman's confrontation.

What I love is that this is intended to villify Martin in the court of public opinion. However, recent polling shows that over half the U.S. population supports the decriminalization of cannabis. This is not a fact that is going to sway enough people to make the public do an "about-face" on the subject. People who already support Zimmerman will use this to "bolster their arguement" and those that support Martin will find it as much a non-issue as I did...

One other little tidbit... the baggie "may have contained pot" but had nothing in it at the time... almost 90% of the monetary bills in circulation have traces of cocaine on them... That makes us all as guilty as Martin in this instance, just because we are carrying cash...

recent polling shows that over half the U.S. population supports the decriminalization of cannabis.

Maybe, but certainly not for minors.

almost 90% of the monetary bills in circulation have traces of cocaine on them... That makes us all as guilty as Martin in this instance, just because we are carrying cash...

This is an urban legend. Folks who can afford snortable coke can also afford proper paraphernalia.

Brad, marijuana is not more harmful to the body than alcohol is.

Good one Stanford police for leaking that info which has nothing to do with the murder case. Let's destroy Martin's character and place distractions away from the Stanford police since they blotched the investigation from the start. Good one. No wonder the residents from that area distrust the police.

What's next? Martin kills puppies too?

information about this case is now surfacing.

For all you posters who "pre-judge", there is something we use in the United States everyday....and that is called.....THE DAD GUM COURT SYSTEM.

and i don't know but ... isn't Zimmerman like 3x the size of Martin? how he Martin going to be smashing his face into the cement ... ?

Good catch on the cocaine bit, I like to see who's paying attention... However, my point on decriminalization is simply that marijuana is not seen as a big deal but the majority of Americans; had this been a baggie the had previously held meth, cocaine, heroine, or other much harder drugs, then I could see a case that maybe Martin wasn't as good a kid as his family is making him out to be, but a baggie of weed won't make most people suddenly say, "Oh, I didn't realize that he was such a bad person" like find those other drugs would...

@Dave 2267,

almost 90% of the monetary bills in circulation have traces of cocaine on them... That makes us all as guilty as Martin in this instance, just because we are carrying cash...

"This is an urban legend. Folks who can afford snortable coke can also afford proper paraphernalia."

Though 90% is probably extremely exaggerated, using bills is not. It's smarter to use a bill to snort cocaine, because it's not paraphernalia. On the other hand the items that you refer to are & can result in being busted for possession of paraphernalia. When it comes to method of ingesting an illegal substance, street smarts outweighs money. If you're not street smart you're going to need money to get out of jail.

I think it not appropriate to try the case in public but only the victim knows what they feared. A knife?

The fact that he was suspended from school is pertinent to the case because it's why he was even in the area to begin with:

Martin was visiting his father in Sanford while he was suspended by Miami-Dade schools.

This is not a character assassination - it's a statement of fact. Now, do I think the fact that he was suspended for having a baggie that may have contained weed at some point is important, or in any way justifies his tragic death? Absolutely not. But, I'm disturbed by the notion that the emotionally-charged circumstances somehow justify obscuring or outright omitting the less-than-wholesome aspects of the victim in a mob-like rush to condemn the man who pulled the trigger. Innocent until proven guilty.

Raddave: You are right about that. Alcohol damages brain cells too. No more drinking for me. :)

Classic red herring. An unarmed 17 year old black male deserves to die defending himself from a large unidentified male because he smoked a bit of weed.

Wonderful.

Enough with the overreactions already (especially you, Mel). No one said a baggie was justification for the killing, but since the kid was suspended, the issue had to be explained. If he'd been suspended for bullying or taking weapons to school, that would make a difference on how people viewed this incident. Now we know the suspension was no big deal and we can move on.

What would the knee-jerk PC liberal crowd do without killings like these?

What would the shrill, sanctimonious, shamefully-delighted Feisty Redheads of this nation spend their time on without incidents such as this?

How would the modern-day witch-hunters occupy their valuable lives without posters of dead children to parade around whatever issue they happen to have an itch for that particular morning?

What's most disgusting about this event isn't the shooting... It's the secret orgasmic pleasure some of you low-lives take in using it as a platform for your own vain agendas.

Congratulations liberal America. You've finally exposed your mindless collective self as the salivating, blood-thirsty horde of judgmental thought-police you've always been.

How black is that kettle again, pot?

I'm disturbed by the notion that the emotionally-charged circumstances somehow justify obscuring or outright omitting the less-than-wholesome aspects of the victim

How often do murder victims have their characters assassinated posthumously?

I saw this one coming. Within minutes of the Giffords shooting Loughner went from being a right-wing wacko who was hopped up on too much Glenn Beck (which was the truth) to a "dope smoking liberal who tried to kill her because she wasn't liberal enough". Spin is the name of the game and a good portion of the public has their brains stuck on permanent spin cycle.

They are going to smear this kid and his family like nothing you have ever seen, it's going to get ugly.

Oh! Dang! Say it isn't so! Not our wonder kid Trayvon!!!

Heck! I bet somebody planted it there knowing he was going to get killed and use it to show he was a bad boy afterall!

To the brainiac who said why not just have a fist fight! The kid probably had a 6 INCH reach advantage. Just the kind of odds you want to go up against! One of the reports I read the kid had already started fighting!

Pappa Dave,

110 pound advantage to the guy with the gun. Try again.

By the way, the kid was being chased. Did he not have the right to 'stand his ground' too? Is it not clear that's a bad law for anyone but fear-stricken right wingers who see threats in the clouds?

There has to be more to the story than a month's suspension for having a baggie with traces of marijuana. How big was the baggie and how much was for his use and how much for sale. The medical report shows what chemicals in what quantity in Martin's system?

So much has yet to come out.

I say black man

Good point so his murder is justified. I knew we just had it all wrong. Thanks for clearing that up.

can anyone think objectively enough for 30 seconds and see the media has played them with a lot of propoganda, instead of releasing all the facts involved....what if the facts as the police state them are true..?? What if Zimmerman was attacked/sucker punched and then had his head repeatedly slammed against the pavement? Regardless of size, some people are better at street fighting, which would indicate why this potentially 'bigger,' guy carried a weapon in the first place.

Martins picture portrays a little kid... the dude was 6'4 and 200lbs. If he was pounding my head into the sidewalk and i had a gun, he'd be just as dead.

Common plea: "It ain't my/our fault!" ""My son/daughter wouldn't do that!"

He did. He died because he did. Now stop reading this BS and go back to work.

twink: To answer your question--no. No one can think objectively for 30 secs when their mind is already made up.

The person in that pic is not 200lbs. I'm 6'2 180 and way thicker than him.

"and i don't know but ... isn't Zimmerman like 3x the size of Martin? how he Martin going to be smashing his face into the cement ... ?"

Zimmerman did a face plant on his fat face and blamed the kid. If he can actually run that fast he be in the NFL. LOL.

PappaDave-956353 hahaha your a wusssy.....

Fitzbaum No need to insult oneself, looking in the mirror is enough. but that was funny though.

dictionary72 So angry. A perfect princess never gets so angry.

Radical1,

I have no idea why whites are so hated. You?

Honestly people, the police report and 911 call have been publicly available for a month. Don't you folks know how to use Google? It would've saved 98% of you from looking like the back end of a horse, with all the blather about innocent baby Trayvon. Pat yourself on the back, at least, if you didn't fall for the march thing or buy a Trayvon Rocks t-shirt. Still not too late, though, since his mom has trademarked her dead son's name(s). No word on whether she'll also try to patent his Facebook and Twitter vulgarities.

http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/martinpolicreport.pdf

Bilal-19 There is no murder until the court says so. You are no judge jury or know anything about it.

Reverse the wording. Why do blacks constitute 75% of the population in jails?

And why did Jesse Jackson say the following: "There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved."

And why are 10,000 blacks killed violently in the U.S. and 94% of the murders of black people are committed by other black people!

Answer me those questions and I got a thousand more!

How is this related to the case? It isn't any more than the information that Martin was carrying Ice Tea and Skittles. At this point, everyone knows Martin was carrying Ice Tea and Skittles. The entire nation knows what he looked like when he was 15 years old. Those looking to further their cause by casting Martin as a small child coming home from grabbing candy - in order to bolster support - surely should have seen this one coming. And, for those who are emotional and impressionable, the fact that he was suspended for suspicion of possessing drugs will significantly change their outlook on what happened that night. For those few who are objective and intelligent, well, they weren't pursuaded to view this case differently by Ice Tea and Skittles and they aren't going to be swayed by this report either. Only the facts matter, and right now, I don't believe we have all of them.

Pics or "head vs. concrete" didn't happen.

thepunisher-2054749 And you know all this as sworn testimony because??????????????

Bring it on! Demonize Trayvon! It doesn't negate the fact that he was murdered by Zimmerman.

Rest in peace, child. It looks as though it may be a bit longer before justice is served. Trayvon's mom should not despair for the truth will come out--deflect it all with great faith.

Bilal-19 There is no murder until the court says so.

Says the lynch mob.

Why do blacks constitute 75% of the population in jails?

So you think its the chicken. Naturally my response is its the egg. Are we in this to learn from one another or to be right. I'm not interested in the latter.

And why are 10,000 blacks killed violently in the U.S. and 94% of the murders of black people are committed by other black people!

What happens when you put 10 people in a sealed off room with one plate of food? What happens when your justice system declares that killing a black person is not really that bad of a crime?

And why did Jesse Jackson say the following: "There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved."

You'll have to ask him. I will tell you this. I'm the type that would give you the shirt off my back. I'd likely come to your aid if you were being mugged. Yet, I've seen purses clutched while I was wearing a suit. A SUIT. If I was a weaker minded individual I might get angry and start to think less of myself. But I'm not so I just get offended. Give two fcuks about Jesse Jackson, he leads his bank account to equality. And that's why he didn't die with MLK.

Why can't the blacks learn to behave themselves?

Do you really want to know, or do you think your rhetoric is actually effective with anyone not already convinced? Because if you really wanted to know, you wouldn't be here asking.

Even if Martin's character was juvenile, that is not submittable evidence in court and irrelevant to this story.

To be honest, if some wack job followed my to my door step I would tell them to take a hike. I could see where words could be exchanged.

But the simple fact is, the person with the gun instigated any possibilities of a confrontation and being a civilian that is called murder.

This is some BACKGROUND on George Zimmerman while we at it! His father Robert J.Zimmerman is a former Judge and George has had several arrests for violence!

Which is why he could not become a cop, among psychological reasons......

http://current.com/community/93716665_george-zimmerman-had-felony-assault-on-police-officer-charge-in-05-2-domestic-assaults.htm

It's amazing how much Trayvon Martin has grown since he was killed. He started out as 6' 140-150 pounds and is not 6'2 or 6'3 and 220 pounds. Must be the good life in the morgue.

@Wilberta Berry

I figured there had to be some connection between the police department and Zimmerman. Why cahrges were dropped for assaulting an enforcement officer

thepunisher-2054749 And you know all this as sworn testimony because??????????????

I don't neither do you.......so whats your point? We can sling mud at each other all day, but unless your a hot chick that's nude. I could care less.

@Dictionary72 You can site all the black on black crime stats you want they still will not justify zimmermans action he killed this kid in cold blood.

Where's the INVESTIGATIVE reporting? The kid was "visiting" his family in Sanford.(city). Did the family live in this 'gated community' ? And if not, what was the kid doing there?

SO very much we don't know.

I'm part of a community watch group. Many of us have a C.C.P. We rarely if ever 'carry'. But then, we live in a community of less than 1% minority. I don't like the idea of this fellow carrying a firearm while on 'watch'. But then I'm not familiar with the community/neighborhood either.

Where's the facts?

@OverPaidCivilServant......Facts do not stir the hornets nest. Factless reporting does, report writing 101, don't tell me you skipped that class.

Just because this kid has gangsta style poses in pictures on his friend's facebook pages (parents took his down), a gold tooth cap, history of stealing and drugs (no arrests), was 6'3" vs 5' whatever, a former football player, and much less innocent than the media has portrayed him to be. Even if Zimmerman lost Trayvon after pursuit and was attacked on his way back to his vehcile, Zimmerman got out of the vehicle and pursued when he was told not to, which means that Zimmerman has lost the right to use the stand you ground defense. It also does not mean that he may or may not have been acting in self-defense!!!

Thus Zimmerman should be arrested and tried. After all of the evidence has been presented then he should be found guilty or not guilty in a court of law and not by the media.

Okay... so then they were both breaking the law...

Zimmerman still shot an unarmed person in an altercation he initiated.

Defending a bad shoot discredits good shoots. People in favor of self defense don't need that.

I have to assume now this kid deserved to get shot because he had an empty baggy of pot...if that is the case...we should have had a bail of folks shot over the past years for the same thing...well...was not done then nor should it ever be done. The question is..at least to me..how could this boy be fighting with some one while his cell phone wqs on...? Would think that would be a tough one to do. Is it now going to be against the law for any kid to walk home from a store...carring candy....just how much of a threat can candy be ? To zimmerman...must have been an awlful lot. I have to wonder if this zimmerman would have followed a grown man the same way..

Bilal-19 Your comments explain every question that has been asked. As long as you and the blacks hold that attitude then you will not progress as a race and a people. Every body of immigrants and people have had to adjust to the human condition in the U.S. If people don't want to then the laws have to take effect. You want 10,000 dead black people and 9,400 killed by black people then there is something dramatically wrong with your thinking and nothing I can say, Jesse Jackson or any other person can say to you or teach you.

You are too far lost in your mind to be intelligent enough to much less know the answers less the questions.

ivan, NC Don't be so naive. Don't try to understand that is printed. Getting suspended for a month is more than an empty bag of weed. You really have to stretch to not understand. But that is a given.

The facts are clear. Zimmerman was told not to follow. Zimmerman made racist remarks and stalked a minor. Zimmerman had a history of reporting people of color. Zimmerman will be indicted.

harold-1908400 I deliberately stated that all the facts did not come out. There are videos, which you probably did not see that said that the Martin was 6'3" a football player, tackled Zimmerman, banged his head on the cement and smashed his nose. Why are there witnesses to that?

Martin was shot standing up face to face with Zimmerman. All the people who said that Zimmerman was chasing Martin and shot him from behind have gotten awful quiet.

Anyhow I am against guns, although I have had to use them in the past against intruders and kidnappers. As I said before a lot more has to come out. I saw the preliminary data but as it was heresy, I need to see the official police version and the sworn testimony of the witnesses.

As usual MSNBC.COM has a liberal leftist slant on this and they may look as foolish as the $3000 Fluke birth control story that turned out that planned parenthood was charging $96.00 for 3 years of birth control and not $3000.

takenaka There had been a series of robberies in the gated community by blacks. Read the story. How did Zimmerman wind up on the floor with Martin on top of him? You just have to wait till the authorized version comes out and then you can see. A 17 year old is not a minor. 17 year olds are charged as adults for crimes. Read the news.

Mike P101 Too many what ifs and maybes or could have happened. We have to wait for the sworn testimony, forensics and real facts. Inciting on no evidence is ridiculous.

Suspended three times from school, found with burglar tools, women's rings and earrings? Defacing public property, one doesn't get suspended for a month for a baggie that might have had marijuana!

Much more to come.

I can see that this man is very interested in his education and had plans to become a moral upstanding educated member of society. I would like to know more about the rings and earrings.

Trayvon Martin was suspended three times from school

Wouldn't it be far more appropriate - if even relevant - for this information to come out during GEORGE ZIMMERMAN'S MURDER TRIAL?!?

dictionary72

Suspended three times from school, found with burglar tools, women's rings and earrings? Defacing public property...

Funny I've never heard of anyone picking a lock with a bag of Skittles and an iced tea.

one doesn't get suspended for a month for a baggie that might have had marijuana!

No, not in Florida. Apparently they just get murdered by vigilantes.

Rick's Real From your comments I am sure you know what it means to be a dic.

If you don't want the school and police to give out the information, take it up with them. The black boy saw Zimmerman bleeding on the ground. You are going to tell him not to talk to the police and the journalist too?

You want the police who saw Zimmerman bleeding and took him for medical treatment to not talk too?

You only want to talk?

How astute of all of you. Didn't you realize that in a court case everybody gets investigated? Did you think that only one side of a fight is investigated? Did you think the defense was just going to accept the 13 y/o boy pictures and say poor little angel? You have now entered the adult criminal justice system.

Regardless of what this 17 year old was suspended for, or how he dresses or appears in a Facebook page, the fact remains that he was a kid who DID NOT have any criminal record, and has been described by his teachers as a good student with a kind and cheerful disposition. He was a kid who reportedly was walking home to where he was staying with his father...after going to the neighborhood store to buy his little brother some candy. The facts state he was unarmed and he had committed no crime that we (or Zimmerman) are aware of. Therefore, these reported leaks concerning possible past incidents are unrelated and have nothing to do with this situation...they seem a diversion aimed at clouding the issue. Trayvon could have been a thirty year old convicted felon walking around on parole with a bag of marijuana in his pocket, and George Zimmerman still would have been in the wrong to arm himself with a handgun and leave his vehicle to chase/pursue and confront him. Zimmerman is NOT a police officer, and his actions would be viewed as aggressive and threatening by any normal, non-threatening person walking through a neighborhood.

Zimmerman acted against the rules of the Neighborhood watch group...and against the stated directions of the 911 operator who told him not to follow this young man, and even though he agreed to follow her directions and stop, he did not. That makes Zimmerman a liar, as well as refusing to follow orders/rules, and acting in a derelict and dangerous way. Zimmerman reportedly was arrested previously for assaulting a police officer...so why was he patrolling a neighborhood armed with a weapon? Are we really to trust Zimmerman's account of how Trayvon ended up shot by Zimmerman's weapon? Do we really understand why the Stanford P.D. closed this case so quickly without a thorough investigation?

Zimmerman was not hurt badly and did not decide to go for medical treatment until the next day, according to police reporting. Even if Trayvon did inflict injuries to this stranger who was following him, how do minor injuries condone this man deciding to use deadly force with a weapon against a smaller kid (reportedly Zimmerman outweighed Trayvon by over 50 pounds) who had committed no crime?

Martin's killing has ignited racial tensions. Martin was black; Zimmerman's father is white and his mother Hispanic.

OK, where is the MSNDC article on the following:

• http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station

Maybe the article could be titled: "Boy set afire by teenagers but released to parents custody" or something like that. (Note: don't want race to get in the headline, yet this Martin shooting has pulled all the stops out by the mdia to MAKE IT a Racist topic)

This boy was suspended from school three times.

So... @!$%#ing... What?

Whoever even brought this irrelevant piece of information up should be horsewhipped.

What passes for the media today is a disgrace.

The issue to begin with was the burglaries in that gated community that was making owners very uneasy. Zimmerman seeing this 17 yr old male in his community, not knowing him, made the call to 911. Now we find out that Martin had some strange items in his backpack that may suggest the teenager was up to more trouble than his family members may have known. Any amount of drugs cost money and so where did that money come from? Did he work?

Let's say we find out he was responsible for some small burglaries. Does that have any bearing on the case? Not really except perhaps his demeanor that may have been what bothered Zimmerman. The issue is what happened that caused Zimmerman to shoot this teenager? What bothered Zimmerman about this teenager so much to call the police? We just don't know.

Martin is NOT the little boy in the picture. They should stop using that picture because it doesn't represent the person killed that was nearly grown up. Originally when this case came to light, the media was happy to let people imagine that Zimmerman had killed a little boy. Who gave that picture to the media and why that picture?

At the same time, the parents are right to not want to shred their son's character anymore than we should want to shred Zimmerman's character, that also have parents. The latter being called all sorts of awful names even though nobody still knows what happened.

The event was a terrible event and I hope we can get to the real truth about what happened before more damage is done with a media intent on fueling the fire along with activists that are just dying for a fight.

Equally the media needs to stop referring to Martin as a white Hispanic. If a child has a black and white parent he is called a black child. Obama is a black man not a white black man. The intent of this labeling is to imply Zimmerman is white and therefore suggesting it is a white/black issue which it is not. Was there racial bias, or more likely a high level of fear and anger over the break-ins?

Classic red herring. An unarmed 17 year old black male deserves to die defending himself from a large unidentified male because he smoked a bit of weed.

Another red herring overlooked - Showing pictures of a 12 y.o. when he has already had his 17th birthday.

This boy was suspended from school three times.

So... @!$%#ing... What?

So he wasn't the innocent 12 y.o. that the media is portraying him as.

What passes for the media today is a disgrace.

Agreed.

Martin was suspended 3 times. Wooptydo. Still normal for any teens his age. I still didn't see any violence record from the kid. But Zimmerman on the other hand...........

Police originally told Martin’s parents that Zimmerman had a clean record. That information has turned out to be false. In 2005 a woman accused Zimmerman of domestic violence and had an injunction filed against him. The month prior he had been arrested for shoving a police officer at a bar near the University of Central Florida.

http://www.northmobilepost.com/tag/george-zimmerman-criminal-record/

You feel safe having a person with his record roaming around the gated community as a neighborhood watch with a concealed weapon?

I feel safer with an individual that was suspended with a empty weed bag / skipped class / being late than a individual with a violent past with a gun.

can anyone think objectively enough for 30 seconds and see the media has played them with a lot of propoganda, instead of releasing all the facts involved....what if the facts as the police state them are true..?? What if Zimmerman was attacked/sucker punched and then had his head repeatedly slammed against the pavement? Regardless of size, some people are better at street fighting, which would indicate why this potentially 'bigger,' guy carried a weapon in the first place.

What if Zimmerman grabbed Trayvon from behind and he retaliated, thinking he was being attacked? That would mean Trayvon was invoking stand your ground laws and had every right to fight him.

The police report leaves out a lot of details that an autopsy should be able to help clear up. Little things, like the distance from the body the gun was fired at. If it was close range, then Zimmerman's claims might have credibility. If it was from further away then it's getting sketchier. Funny how the people demanding objectivity only want to consider the possibility that Zimmerman shouldn't be charged with anything.

Listen to the 911 call. Sounds like a teenager and completely stopped once the gun was shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXxGE00KoDc

And witnesses speaks out on the shooting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cWwUAbbWnk&feature=related

You all go talk to the 10,000 black people of which 9,400 were killed by blacks and look at the drop out black rate in school, the 60% of black children who grow up with one guardian and only 40% of black families have a live in two parents and tell me there is not something wrong in the black community!

75% of the people in jail are black and you are all missing the picture. The black family is broken! The black race is in trouble and now the blacks are blaming all their problems on Zimmerman.

Now we now from the success at Union Prep Charter Academy which sends 100% of the graduating class all black men to 4 year universities that the problem is not intelligence. It is the black system of teaching their children and maintaining families.

The school has on record three incidents with Martin. We all know there is a hell of a lot more he got away with. He is no angel. That is the reason for the neighbor patrol.

But the BLACKS have to clean up their act. The Japanese did it, The Irish did it, The Chinese did it and every other race and nationality did it. The civil war ended 147 years ago and the blacks were freed. WWII was over 67 years ago and the Japanese came back. The Chinese rebuilt their culture in the U.S. after they were imported as slave labor to build the railroads. The Irish fought in the wars and helped build the railroad, so why can't the blacks learn from the other examples, have children, teach them to be honest citizens, model human beings, bring up their children to respect others and respect themselves. MLK should would not want to see today what happened to his dream!

had-enough-470242 Voice analysis technology will determine whose voice is on the machine. Just wait. I am sure that in a few days you will know for certain.

There is no use speculating until the witnesses are sworn in and the testimony and forensic evidence is placed legally in the court.

But if Zimmerman, the doctors, the police, the witnesses all testify that he, Zimmerman was injured, then Lazarus can not arise from the dead and break Zimmerman's nose, cause head and face wounds and return to the dead.

Do not forget how much injuries on Mr. Martin's body. And do not forget the report of the injury of Zimmerman's nose is noted 30 days later after Martin's death.

If Zimmerman stayed in his car, he could have saved Martin's life and his broken nose.

This has become a mess. Since honest people have stood up and said, this needs to be investigated, the truth needs to be found, the racist right has rallyed. And now the most truly disgusting side of America is coming out. And I don't mean the NAACP, Jessie Jackson, or Rev. Sharpton. I mean some out and out racists, who are probably also opposed to anything that is government funded, but are not afraid to spread their lies and hate on a medium created by government subsidies.

Come on folks, the bottom line is the watch man should never have gotten out of his car! He was told not to follow. If he had observed only, the shooting would never have happened. I believe the first policeman on the scene set Zimmerman up with his story of self defense. I read where this cop had been involved with cover-ups previously! It does happen.

what kind of ignorant hateful and blind statment youve just stated... I feel sorry for you and your sence of honor and pride. The rasist left have started this whole bad of @!$%#. By using false photos of the childs age, making him out to be a saint. His Facebook shows him differently... AS far as im concered at this point anyone whom thinks this is race related do us normal non racist americans a favor... Shut up, or by all means leave our country as your a cancer to society

NAACP, Jessie Jackson, or Rev. Sharpton rhese groups and people are mor than happy to keep you full of hate and contoll your feible minds... ^^^^ Idiots... absoult morons are the voice of blacks today. thats sad

on another note their was a black on black killing in my town this week...No one seems to care about that one... cause its a true fact and media proves it that black on black is the most common crimes. You all hate eachother and need to stop!

So he wasn't the innocent 12 y.o. that the media is portraying him as.

The media have consistently reported that he was 17. Don't know where you got 12, unless that's what Fuxnews has pulled out of their a$$es. And yes, he was innocent of any crime.

His Facebook shows him differently.

Yes, and every picture on Facebook is an honest portrayal of the persons depicted, just like Wikipedia is completely reliable fact. Oh, and BTW, it's not YOUR country. Go start your own, if you don't want to share. There are probably a few deserted islands left somewhere that you could pick up cheap.

I was suspended twice from school as a teenager, and should have been suspended much more.

I must be a horrible person that deserves to die.

on another note their was a black on black killing in my town this week

Was the black man who committed the murder arrested? Is there a warrant out for his arrest?

Yes, of course he was arrested...

That's the main reason people are upset here, that Zimmerman has not been arrested, that the police botched the case and didn't bother investigating, and that it would have all been swept under the rug if not for protestors/media.

Your moral equivalency argument fails, because you can bet your @ss if Zimmerman was black and Trayvon was white... Zimmerman would be locked up right now.

found with burglar tools

It was a screwdriver. Wow, just couldn't wait to turn that into a kit in your little world, could you? And the kid had a girlfriend, so that just might be a better explanation for the rings and earrings than the presence of a screwdriver. Or maybe he did steal those items. IT'S NOT RELEVANT to Zimmerman's actions.

Where's the INVESTIGATIVE reporting? The kid was "visiting" his family in Sanford.(city). Did the family live in this 'gated community' ? And if not, what was the kid doing there?

The kid was with his father and brother, visiting the father's girlfriend who lives in the community (his parents are divorced). The investigative reporting has been ongoing for several weeks now, but you have to read more than one story, past the headline, and more than just the captions on the pictures.

flbikerchick,

No, it isn't relevant to Zimmerman's actions; what ever they might have actually been. However, it does cast doubt on the sweet innocent child eating candy that has been painted for - and so eagerly consumed - by the public. It all comes down to whether (and if how) Trayvon attacked Zimmerman first, and, whether he was beating Zimmerman's head off concrete when Zimmerman pulled the trigger. People die from trauma to the head. If you've been mugged by a "young boy" eating candy you'd know that the experience is far from pleasant and much closer to life threatening than most believe. Having said that, there are a lot of ifs involved. Yet, the public doesn't have patience to wait and prefers to let emotion rule. Let the investigation take it's course. The only thing missing is Trayvon's ability to defend himself in this matter.

"They killed my son and now they're trying to kill his reputation," she said.

It is understandable that Trayvon's mother is distraut, but who is 'THEY'? Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon...who else is she referring to?

Trayvon was such a cherrished innocent child...laying in the morgue for three days as 'John Doe'.

With all of the unanswered questions...and the media's obvious attempt at stirring up drama...it's best to wait for all of the facts rather than jumping to your favorite conclusion.

Let me get this straight, this kid was expelled from school, he's a minor and out roving around at night and he's innocent. Not bloody likely. Guess who the guilt should be shared by, HIS PARENTS! Negligence on their part.

Uh, marksman, how are you any different than those who so quickly brand Zimmerman as a gun toting, racist vigilante?

Explain your question. Trayvon was still a child, a minor. Negligence on the parents part.

The issue to begin with was the burglaries in that gated community that was making owners very uneasy. Zimmerman seeing this 17 yr old male in his community, not knowing him, made the call to 911. Now we find out that Martin had some strange items in his backpack that may suggest the teenager was up to more trouble than his family members may have known. Any amount of drugs cost money and so where did that money come from? Did he work?

/palmface

You really need to read some articles on this story. Martin didn't even have a backpack on the night in question, good god...

Let me get this straight, this kid was expelled from school, he's a minor and out roving around at night and he's innocent. Not bloody likely.

he wasn't expelled, he was suspended for 5 days for an empty marijuana baggy. And he wasn't out "roving around at night," he was walking back to the house he was staying at.

Dude, he was out roving around, otherwise, he wouldn't be walking back.

Dude, he was out roving around, otherwise, he wouldn't be walking back.

fine, so he was "roving" to the local 7-11 for some snacks. That still doesn't make it ok for Zimmerman to pursue and subsequently shoot him.

"Even if Zimmerman lost Trayvon after pursuit and was attacked on his way back to his vehcile, Zimmerman got out of the vehicle and pursued when he was told not to, which means that Zimmerman has lost the right to use the stand you ground defense. It also does not mean that he may or may not have been acting in self-defense!!"

--Not completely true. A victim that has overpowered his attacker (and rightly so) becomes the aggressor when he does not back off after the attacker ceases his attack. If Trayvon attacked Zimmerman after Zimmerman gave up and was headed back to his vehicle, then at that point Trayvon became the aggressor.

"Thus Zimmerman should be arrested and tried. After all of the evidence has been presented then he should be found guilty or not guilty in a court of law and not by the media."

--Very true. How about we calm down the mob mentality, especially now that the incident has caught the attention of the proper authorities, and let due process happen. The problem is, now everyone is so inflamed by the half-a$$ed and hate-mongering "news" reports, that people may riot and murder (think R. King) if their idea of "justice" isn't the outcome of the formal hearings.

I think the news media does an injustice to the court system, the victim, and even the perpetrator by blasting all the "details" to high heaven like this, which seem to change and contradict on an almost daily basis. The public has a right to know that something happened, but the details and facts should probably come only from the cold, analytical light of a sober court, not blaring sensationalistic headlines.

An empty plastic bag that "May have" contained marajuana? Or maybe a cheese sandwich?

Once again a feeble attempt to use this story to demonize cannabis. Pathetic! Tired of hearing it.

CC GWRider,

By getting out of his vehicle and following Martin to make sure he didn't commit a crime before the police arrived, he didn't break any laws. He also didn't lose the right to use the stand your ground defense if he was attacked by Trayvon on the way back to his vehicle. It just cast some doubt on that particular defense. That is, unless we're making up laws as we go along; in which case, I agree with you.

By getting out of his vehicle and following Martin to make sure he didn't commit a crime before the police arrived, he didn't break any laws. He also didn't lose the right to use the stand your ground defense

Funny, the AUTHOR of the "stand your ground" law disagrees.

flbikerchick

found with burglar tools

It was a screwdriver.

Late at night, *suspicious* behavoir..that IS considered a burgler tool..btw.

And you like many keep saying, as does the article.. he was "visiting family" .. did the familiy live inTHIS gated community? (and sorry to burst your bubble, I've read many stories from different sources) and have YET to find some of those answers. If this HUGE 17 year olds parent was in THIS gated community, why don't they say so?

I don't think we'll ever know the last few seconds of this mess. I do know, no matter what color, while I'm on my local community watch, if a STRANGER to the area, doesn't come right out and be honest about his intentions, things are going to escalate. Perhaps Trayvon didn't like that this guy was calling the cops on him? Who knows.

Too many facts not put out as of yet.

I will tell you also, while on patrol, in the middle of the night, and maybe during daylight also, if you LOOK suspicious, you WILL be followed. So to me that's a no brainer. That's how many a crime is foiled, by community involvement.

To me, this has NOTHING to do with race. Not the least bit. And those making it a race issue, should be ashamed !!!!!

(oh, btw, the fact you can't find a "report" on the kid, is a no brainer. You aren't going to get that..he's a minor.. remember?) And the link posted to the gentlemans "record" .. I don't see a RECORD ! Just allegations. Was the pushing match with the cop with an off-duty cop? Shoot, it's in a bar. Who knows what happened there either.

Read that DrowningGrover. Unfortunately, his intent, and the way the law was written are not necessarily the same thing. I think it should be better defined to prevent situations like this. However, as the law is currently written, in the circumstance that Trayvon attacked him without Zimmerman initiating contact (as in coming up and aggressively asking him what is he up to) then Zimmerman still could meet the criteria of the Law.

Late at night, *suspicious* behavoir..that IS considered a burgler tool..btw.

/palmface. Trayvon did not have a screwdriver on him the night he was killed. Again, READ.

And you like many keep saying, as does the article.. he was "visiting family" .. did the familiy live inTHIS gated community? (and sorry to burst your bubble, I've read many stories from different sources) and have YET to find some of those answers.

His father's girlfriend lives in the community, he was staying there at the time. Again, READ.

I do know, no matter what color, while I'm on my local community watch, if a STRANGER to the area, doesn't come right out and be honest about his intentions, things are going to escalate.

yep, and if things escalate and you kill that person, you'd be guilty of manslaughter too. It's neighborhood WATCH, not neighborhood VIGILANTE. No one is under any obligations to answer ANY of your questions or be forthcoming about their intentions.

I will tell you also, while on patrol, in the middle of the night, and maybe during daylight also, if you LOOK suspicious, you WILL be followed

the incident in question happened around 7pm. Hardly the middle of the night. And again, if you confront that individual, YOU are the aggressor and lose all "stand your ground" protection.

Read that DrowningGrover. Unfortunately, his intent, and the way the law was written are not necessarily the same thing. I think it should be better defined to prevent situations like this. However, as the law is currently written, in the circumstance that Trayvon attacked him without Zimmerman initiating contact (as in coming up and aggressively asking him what is he up to) then Zimmerman still could meet the criteria of the Law.

Good point Zoroaster about intent vs. language, but it's pretty clear at this point that Zimmerman DID approach Trayvon (hell, he even followed him into a backyard walkway and his own 911 tape proves it) and if the phone call Martin made to his girlfriend is to be trusted, Zimmerman DID aggressively ask him what he was up to.

This is why "stand your ground," even as written shouldn't apply here and Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter.

dictionary72

If you don't want the school and police to give out the information, take it up with them. The black boy saw Zimmerman bleeding on the ground. You are going to tell him not to talk to the police and the journalist too?

You want the police who saw Zimmerman bleeding and took him for medical treatment to not talk too?

You only want to talk?

I suspect I know why you use the moniker "Dictionary"... is it because, though you have many words, they are placed in such an order so as not to make sense when trying to read them as structured sentences?

It appears as if Florida has become a pure, lawless vigilante state. And since, in America, we are all entitled by our constitution to equal justice under law, then I guess Florida residents, in the name of equal justice, would be well justified in finding and killing George Zimmerman; and, based on how Florida handles its vigilante killer(s) they would then need to be set free.

DG..bud..

You really should get out in the real world more often.

I'll keep this one simple for you....was it THIS community he mother lives in?

and....oh never mind...sighhhhh.

I don't condone what happened. Some things you don't do. You don't 'carry' while ...

Oh never mind....see..I still have my ears open to ALL of what comes in. I haven't taken a solid stand. I wasn't there.

And you're WRONG about what community patrols can do/not do. Do you not care about your neighborhood? Or are you the type, that say, sees some kids fighting and does something about it...or just stand to the side and watch?

It's real easy sittn' in a chair and say what is/isn't, and what you'd do/not do.

Get out some, join a community watch. See what actually goes on. You might be surprised.

GET INVOLVED.. .or shut the heck up !!

The kid did not deserve to be murdered because he looks like a thug. Think about it! this boy was followed and was provoked and now his life is gone. Now all the law-enforcement personnel is out looking for trash on this kid who lost his life. I truly believe in Vigilante Justice in this case.

Dave, those facebook photos were fake.

www. wtsp. com/news/article/247194/19/Fake-Trayvon-Martin-picture-circulates-on-the-web-image-actually-shows-a-different-person

lol nice source, but I saw the pictures before they were deleted from his facebook with my own eyes...and his friends comments asking for "plant" so nice try.

@DanTheManOfVegas,

The young man was kicked out of school for 5 days for the bag with pot residue, he wasn't shot for the offense. It's relevance, in part, plays to his character. Character assassination, unfortunately, is all too often used in cases of rape as well.

Dave in that case let's kill all 17 year olds in America...maybe we can like you go through all their facebook pages and decide who lives and who dies because all these little 17 rebel wannabes white and black, hispanics doesn't matter they are all villains for the way they dress, giving the middle finger on fb, girls be dressing and acting like sluts...I agree with you kill them all

How is Dave a racist?!Really Hating Haters,act more mature.Trayvon did dress like a thug,but I guess you can't say anything bad about Trayvon since he's black.

that was NOT Trayvon Martin. It was another kid. And, is it a capital offense to "dress like a thug?"

No its that you can't infer anything from some facebook photos, Mr. pennsylvanian.

Except for the fact that he's 125 soaking wet and has the physique of a child and is certainly not strong enough to pummel a 250lb man into the concrete. We don't know that he didn't... Just like we don't know he's a bad kid... Mr. pennsylvanian. I mean, duh.

Oh I forgot he's black, nevermind. I'll bet half the folks commenting actually believe they're not bigoted.

And since when is fcuk you a gang sign?

Dave, the link I gave you was to a Tampa Bay news report.  from that article:

As public outrage over the shooting of a Florida teen by a neighborhood watchman grows, so too has a backlash against 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

An unarmed Martin was shot and killed in February as he was returning to a home from a 7-Eleven by 28-year-old George Zimmerman. Claiming self defense, Zimmerman has not been arrested.

Photo Gallery: Trayvon Martin photos

Rallies and protests have since erupted, demanding Zimmerman's arrest. Meanwhile, others have come to Zimmerman's defense and some have questioned the media's bias and narrative surrounding the shooting.

Over the weekend, a picture began circulating that claimed to show Martin in a less-than-flattering light: shirtless, sagging pants, and giving the finger to the camera.

The image quickly circulated across blogs and websites, with many claiming it as evidence that Martin was not as innocent as family and supporters claimed, as well as alleging media bias.

There is one problem to that claim: the picture is not Trayvon Martin.

Or at the very least, he's not the one who made worldwide headlines after his death. The Facebook page the picture came from appears to belong to a different Trayvon Martin, whereas the image is nowhere to be found on the slain teen's profile.

Street Wise Pundit, a liberal blog, claims the widely circulated "fake" Trayvon Martin picture originated on a white supremacist website.

raddave, Slimm's Facebook and Twitter pages were scrubbed more than a week ago, but not before a lot of people under 80 and who know how to use a computer found them.

Who the hell cares about face book, pot or hoodies. This kid was unarmed and was killed by a guy with a gun and the cops didn't arrest the guy with the gun. I don't think it's unreasonable to wonder why the cops didn't do their job and conduct a complete investigation to get to the bottom of what really happened that night. All this speculation and LEAKED information is designed to deflect blame away from the shooter and the cops........ It looks like murder is legal in Florida now and it has become a very dangerous place for anyone living or visiting there....... Another bastion of civilization has fallen to "conservative" Republican barbarism.

In your fantasy Dave.

with an attitude like that you will probably remain justoneguy for quite some time. the real low lifes out there are the pharma-scum and the politicians from both sides of the aisle who are in their pocket. In my eyes people who provide access to mj are no different than the bootleggers of days gone by. you know all those patriarchs of nascar and families like the kennedys.

Dave, are you afraid of Black men?

Dave is either a troll or an idiot. Neither deserves much of a reply.

The backlash against Trayvon Martin shows one thing very strongly. Racism is alive and well in America. What, you right wingers are offended? Then, stop bringing up crap like a more than one year ago school suspension for a baggie that may have had pot in it, and using it to condemn a kid as a gang-banging drupg dealer. Which is exactly what you will read above, posted by the racists who also hate anything developed by the federal government. Shouldn't that include the Internet, developed by the federal government, and on which they are so free to spread their hate.

How do thugs dress? What do you consider a thug? Why whenever someone says thug 1st thought comes to mind is blacks? Lol i remember the days when only guys in the mobb were considered thugs...None of them were black though smh ... On another note Its sad when your stereo typed by your attire but what can you expect from a bunch of stereotypical peasants... 98% of them dont know the difference between race & ethnicity... Zimmerman was Hispanic & Trayvon was Black True but something is wrong there because Trayvons race is being thrown all over but they only state zimmermans culture/ethinicity (Hispanic) which isnt in fact a race at all... Hispanics are Black, white, Asian, indigneous etc wth is wrong with you guys... Stupidity flows from your minds like faucet water .... Often! Shut of the valve please...

I read these blogs for entertainment. Comments from both sides are biased anyway you look at it. No one knows the facts of what happened at this point in time. Let the legal system play out and then when it does and you know the facts then write from that perspective.

I think it's time for every black person in Florida to arm themselves and stand their ground.

I cant believe his school problems has anything to do with him being murdered and that is what it was pure murder. His school problems are his and his parents issue. These poor people have lost a son and some of you think its a joke what if the shoe was on the other foot.Its not time for all blacks to stand their ground its time all americans stood up and stand their ground against this murderer

At least he was attending school, I think that is a big point here. So he was late a few times, so what... he went, he actually made the effort to get an education. If he was a bad kid he wouldn't have even tried.

And, yes, this is clearly an attempt at character assassination.

I realize Dave is likely a troll (as I keep reading this same garbage repeated on every thread related to this case), but I's sure like to see some reports that lead Dave (or anyone else) to believe Trayvon Martin was a "drug dealer." That sounds like it was pulled out of Dave's butt to me....

I have an idea, lets inject this with racist comments, hoards of civil rights leaders, irresponsible reporting, and then bring in the black panthers to place a bounty on the shooters head. Lets go for some more public opinion and outrage justice. There is no reason to wait for the facts or wait for a court to decide what is all too obvious. Even if everyone who did the same thing in the Duke lacrosse case was wrong, maybe this time they will be right. Maybe.

@Kim-3137919

At least he was attending school, I think that is a big point here. So he was late a few times, so what... he went, he actually made the effort to get an education. If he was a bad kid he wouldn't have even tried.

Not even a mention of how he was, apparently, a B+ student...... If people are gonna sling mud lets mention the FACT the Zimmerman was arrested for assault on a police officer in his past.

Get the facts first people. While the kid was never arrested check out the Orange Count Clerks public case page:

• 1984-DR-003476-O

WEBB, STEPHANIE vs. ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE A
04/04/1984
Family

UIFSA Enforcement
Closed - Non SRS

• 1989-DR-007656-O

ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE A vs. ZIMMERMAN, NANETTE
09/18/1989
Div 31
Shea, Timothy R
Dissolution of Marriage Indigent
Closed - SRS

• 1993-DR-013581-O

MOREIRA, NANETTE vs. ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE SR
12/08/1993
Div 46
White, Keith F
Domestic Violence
Closed - SRS

• 2005-CF-009525-A-O

ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983
07/18/2005
Div 10
OKane, Julie H
Criminal Felony
Closed
CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITH VIOLENCE
BATTERY ON LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER

• 2005-MM-010436-A-O

ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
10/05/1983
07/18/2005
Orlando
Miller, W Michael
Misdemeanor
Closed
CR-RESISTING OFFICER WITHOUT VIOLENCE

• 2005-DR-012980-O

ZUAZO, VERONICA vs. ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE M
08/09/2005
Div 44
44, TBA
Domestic Violence
Closed - SRS

• 2005-DR-013069-O

ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE M vs. ZUAZO, VERONICA A
08/10/2005
Div 46
White, Keith F
Domestic Violence
Closed - SRS

• 2006-TR-219362-A-O

0244RCN
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
12/14/2006
Orlando
Officer, 98 Hearing
Civil Traffic Infraction
Closed
TR- UNLAWFUL SPEED

• 2006-TR-219364-A-O

0245RCN
ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE MICHAEL
12/14/2006
Orlando
Officer, 98 Hearing
Civil Traffic Infraction
Closed
TR- CERT OF REGISTRATION POSSESS REQ

• 2008-SC-000064-O

CAPITAL ONE BANK, vs. ZIMMERMAN, GEORGE
01/03/2008
Div 73
Allen, Faye L
SC - Breach $501-$2,500
Re-Closed

Back child support, resisting an officer, speeding, a couple of domestic violence cases. Why has this not been brought to the forefront as has the incorrect (not the Treyvon Martin who was shot) Facebook pics and the empty baggie allegations?? Lets also ignore the 46 paranoid calls, from Zimmerman, to the police since Jan. 2011

I don't think minorities will EVER get an even playing field.

Sad to see the lame excuses I have seen on here. Kid failing to identify himself to a complete stranger, who was following him around in a pickup truck, his fault. Defending himself from that stranger who got out of his truck and approached him against the advisement of the police, his fault. Wearing a hoodie, his fault. Being in a neighborhood where he "isn't supposed to be", his fault.

I was hoping that my kids, and now my grand's, would not have to deal with this bigotry..... So much for that...

Trayvon sounds like any other high school junior or senior doing dumb things to impress friends. Who didn't do stupid things at that age? If we all must be judged by the same criteria by which Zimmerman judged Trayvon, we are in deep $***!

Even IF he did have a small amount of marijuana residue on him, he deserves to die? Hell, I'm 53 and I still smoke the MJ once in a while, and carry a small pipe with MJ residue in it. But if I "happened" to be black and wearing a hoodie, then of course, I must be a drug dealing gangbanger. That's the wild leap of logic the RW nutters NEED to make in what's going to be long stream of baseless smears and character assassination.

I would expect nothing less from the racists who know deep in their regressive genes that their days are numbered.

So what if he has put up the middle finger on facebook, millions of kids do that everyday. So what if they found an EMPTY plastic bag in his backpack, millions of American adults, and youth smoke weed everyday. So what if he wrote W.T.F in school on a locker. All that does is make him a TYPICAL teenage kid in America. It still does NOT justify the homicide committed aginst him by some gun toting lunitic stalking Black males on the streets of Sanford. So what if he had to knock Zimmermen out when he confronted him with NO LEGAL right. MArtin had the right to defend himself also. That in and of it's self DOES NOT make hime eligible for the DEATH PENALTY!

Trayvon is no innocent "little" child here. He is an angry young man who was going down the wrong path.

He learned what other young gang bangers need to learn: you hit an armed man, you are going to get shot!

None of you address or want to address the fact that there are witnesses to the fact Trayvon was on top of George beating him. I guess denial is bliss but come on...

There was justice for Trayvon and he received it. You hit someone and he is armed the chances are you are going to die. Trayvon will never hit anyone else again.

switchblade "He learned what other young gang bangers need to learn: you hit an armed man, you are going to get shot!"

A) does being black make him a gangbanger? racist much?

B) if Trayvon had been the one armed, and Zimmerman had been the one to hit him - and trayvon "stood his ground" would you be saying the same thing? DOUBT IT

"None of you address or want to address the fact that there are witnesses to the fact Trayvon was on top of George beating him. I guess denial is bliss but come on..."

A) I havent heard or read of any witnesses who saw trayvon follow zimmerman and hit him. only the aftermath apparently of the "scuffle".

B) one witness describes Zimmerman on top of Trayvon, another describes Trayvon on top of Zimmerman when Zimmerman shot him.

Witnesses have lied before, have been wrong before, and we know this how? Evidenced by the tons of people who have recently been released from prison because DNA evidence proves they didnt do what eye witnesses claimed they did.

So as such, you are taking the word of a guy who has A REAL LEGIT CRIMINAL HISTORY AND A RECENT HISTORY OF PARANOID 911 CALLS...and the word of "witnesses" who may or may not have even witnessed it, but are friends with zimmerman and have a vested interest in helping their friend...or who may in fact think just like you BLACK KID = GANGBANGER, PERIOD.

reality check: if zimmerman walks free, he's not going to live very long.

some "gangbanger" is going to even the score. and someone like me isnt going to shed a tear for someone like zimmerman, who's record proves he's a violent man.

karma indeed will suck for him.

@Jessica-1170252

We know how innocent Trayvon is; i.e., suspended 10 days for drug violations, stealing jewlery out of lockers, facebook pages with guns and gangsta bling... come on... Trayvon was going down the wrong path in life.

So, if the justice system exonerates Geoge Zimmerman, you going to carry out vigilante justice on George Zimmerman? "reality check: if zimmerman walks free, he's not going to live very long." This is a very childish statement and should land you in jail for making a threat. You are no better than what you claim George Zimmerman did.

I do not care what color a person is if he is in a gang. There are plenty of people I ride my Harley-Davidson with that would go to war against a rival motorcycle club... and the ones I ride with do not like people of color riding with them. These guys are extreem gangbangers and they are white. For me, I have nothing against people of color. In fact, I like dating women of color and enjoy their company.

In reality, you care nothing about the facts since eye witnesses mean nothing to you, you just want George Zimmerman drawn and quarted; i.,e, "reality check: if zimmerman walks free, he's not going to live very long."

I does explain the skittles though.

It has nothing to do with the shooting nor did the article suggest it did. We've known for some time Martin was under suspension. It's natural to wonder why. The article was merely answering that question. You're the one making associations.

Well, you know them pot heads. Always having the munchies.

AG, I hadn't wondered why he was suspended, I wonder(ed) why he was murdered, didn't you? What's important an empty baggy or a murder, you tell us.

Why wouldn't you wonder? It's apparently the reason he was in that particular neighborhood as he normally wouldn't live there. Are your thoughts always so single-minded? Or are you just trying to put me down by suggesting Martin's death should be the foremost thing in my mind all the time? How childish.

It's apparently the reason he was in that particular neighborhood as he normally wouldn't live there.

He was with his father and brother, visiting the father's girlfriend, who lived in that neighborhood. Nice try linking two completely unrelated incidents, though.

It's apparently the reason he was in that particular neighborhood as he normally wouldn't live there.

The neighborhood has been reported as being "multicultural"....was that an attempt to make Zimmerman less of a racist? Trying to portray the neighbors as "non-white" TOO? Making it appear as though "just being black" wouldn't get anyone "followed around"??

I guess it's all what YOU read into it!

The Racists posting on here will never see things differently, Trayvon was a black boy in a hoodie, walking where de DID NOT BELONG!

What is wrong with you two (flbikerchick and Jo-An)? Why are you so determined to read racism into every comment that doesn't agree with you? Are you that prejudiced? Who cares why he was in the neighborhood? I'd read he was staying with his father because of the suspension and normally wouldn't be there. The racial composition of the area is irrelevant, but not to you two. It's natural to wonder what he was suspended for, or are you devoid of human curiosity in addition to being bigoted towards any opinion not your own?

AG,

Why did you write:

It's apparently the reason he was in that particular neighborhood as he normally wouldn't live there.

Please explain what you meant by that? Why would he not "normally live there"? I don't understand?

I believe AG was trying to highlight that he did not normally stay in that neighborhood because he normally does not stay with his father. I don't believe he was trying to insert race but simply read he was staying with his father because of a suspension and wondered why. Why so touchy? AG wasn't trying to be demeaning only observant.

It's easier to make racism the point rather than stating the facts. As the facts trickle out...maybe racism will fade into the background where it should have been in the first place. While ones clothing and skin color are not indicative of guilt....those same factors do not indicate innocence either.

I have serious difficulties with the fact that a shooting occurred in the neighborhood where the father and brother were, and Trayvon ended up in the morgue as a 'John Doe'. If a shooting occurred in my neighborhood and I did not know where my son's were...I would be in officer's faces until I was able to confirm the victim is, or is not my child.

Thank you, Kreslev. That's exactly what I meant. Some people try to insert controversy into everything instead of just reading the words. (Btw, I'm a she, not that that matters.)

My bad, sorry AG, I was a raving lunatic about someone else's racist remark and "assumed"....whoops, sorry!

Sorry. I will do better next time. ;)

Thanks, for helping me out, Kreslev...

:)

It's okay, Jo-An. The climate on these boards almost forces people to take things the wrong way. :)

:)

Even if we disagree, I NEVER want to insult or demean anyone! Sometimes my "good intentions" get the best of me! LOL...Sometimes, I really become a raving lunatic....

:)

So then what you are saying is that it is ok to shoot someone because they look "shady?"

Is that what you read Dan? Cause that issn't waht I wrote? But i'll tell ya what, if the "kid" isn't the angel that he has been protrayed and he instead is a punk and did attack, then... Yeah, if I was getting beat on, i'd pull the trigger.

What would you was a minor heading back from the store and this stranger kept following you? What if you ran away since you was taught to run away from strangers. What if that same stranger found you, got out and started to yell and started to run toward you?

Would you just stand there and get assaulted, raped or even kidnapped? Obviously that neighborhood is not safe according to the reports.

Or would you fight back?

So then what you are saying is that it is ok to shoot someone because they look "shady?"

Evidently, in Florida it is.

DanTheManOfVegas: No, he's not saying it's OK to shoot someone because they look shady. He's saying it's ok to follow someone in your neighborhood when you are the appointed head of neighborhood watch if they look shady...then if someone jumps you from behind and jumps on top of you, you have the right to defend yourself.

Dave, it is NOT ok for Neighborhood watch to follow someone, whether they think they are shady or not.

@raddave says who? The phone lady said "we don't need you to do that" -- nowhere did an official or law enforcement personnel order Zimmerman to not follow the kid.

I have a feeling Zimmerman followed him so that when the cops arrived, and called his cell (as he asked them to on the call), he could tell them where he was located. Zimmerman turned a corner and Martin jumped him from behind.

Given the graphic description of the attack on Zimmerman, there has to pictures and a hospital report of the broken nose and blood coming from the back of his head since the 140lb kid was able to tackle and smash this man head to the point of blood.

How do you KNOW this isn't how he looks? You are implying that because he is black that he is 'ghetto' and normally looks as such. People are such racists and they don't even know it.

Actually Dave it says very clearly in the Neighborhood Watch program and in Police guidelines for NW programs that they absolutely not engage with anyone, simply report to the place what is going on and then back off and let the police do their job. Why would any NW "captain" or whatever he was, who was appointed to that position, break so many rules (don't carry firearms, don't engage suspects, don't follow or harass suspects) if he had no intention of using the gun? Whether Martin was a thug or not, unless Zimmerman witnessed him actually breaking the law he should not have even gotten out of his car. And even then, why not just report to the police and let them take care of it? The guy wanted to use his gun, wanted to feel like a "man". Let's not forget the various quotes taken directly from the 911 calls " these people always get away..." and others to that effect. What is happening now is character assassination on the part of Zimmerman and the police as they ineptly try to "unscrew the pregnant woman", to quote an old joke. You can't do it.

@msgfromme, hey then what are you saying. Should I shoot you too, cause your handle looks like you can be a creepy old pediphile.

@Dave-3537810, no where does comon sense says to follow people and engage them if you are not an officer of the law. Oh, I forgot, I keep giving people like you and Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt, but you keep proving me wrong that you just like zimmerman don't have any common sense. I bet you be dumb enough to go into a bar full of mexicans and proclaim they are illegals on the mexican side of the border no less.

@Scott M. -- Zimmerman was FOLLOWING Martin to report to the police his location. To Zimmerman's surprise, as he turned the corner, Martin was hiding behind a bush when he jumped Zimmerman from behind. I agree, Martin felt threatened, but he initiated the confrontation, not the other way around. Zimmerman was clearly trying to follow and wait for police and trying to get info on Martin's whereabouts to properly inform the police of his whereabouts.

@thepun: Like I said, he was not trying to engage. He was jumped from behind while trying to follow.

He was told NOT to follow. He is going to be indicted.

Punisher... are you really as superficially dense as you come across? It is obvious that you fancy yourself a real bad boy comedian what with your hilarious poke at me and @Dave... And all that coming from a horses ass that uses a comic book handle? Tell your Mom it's time for you to put your big boy jammies on... you know, the super hero ones with the feet... you must be tired from making all your clever remarks...

So you believing Zimmerman's statements over other witnesses? He was the only person alive that really knows what inspired. We only have what Zimmerman said, 911 call, Martin's girlfriend and other witnesses to go by. If you go by all statesments, none seems to match so someone is lying.

If you shot a unarmed 17 yr black teen, and broke every single neighborhood watch rules and you are the only one there that knows what inspired........... would you lie too?

Remember, Zimmerman was breathing hard and the 911 operator asked what are you doing. He responded by stating he is chasing the kid, then was told not to do that, he still did it anyways.

I am sorry but what I have heard is that this was what Zimmerman is claming that happend. No one saw who started the fight. FACT: Zimmerman was following the boy. FACT: Zimmerman was told that he did not need to do that. FACT: Zimmerman got out of the safety of his vehicle with a loaded weapon. So he initiated and was the threat not Trayvon. Had he stayed in the car Trayvon would still be alive. There are two sides to every story and unfortunatley thanks to Zimmerman we will never know Trayvon's because he is the one that is dead.

Listen to the 911 call. Sounds like a teenager and completely stopped once the gun was shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXxGE00KoDc

And witnesses speaks out on the shooting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cWwUAbbWnk&feature=related

He's saying it's ok to follow someone in your neighborhood when you are the appointed head of neighborhood watch

The rules of the Neighborhood Watch in that neighborhood, which Zimmerman was NOT an official member of, clearly state that members are to report to the police, but are not to approach, follow or attempt to contain any suspicious person. The rule book actually states that twice, in bold. But of course, if Zimmerman had been an actual member, instead of a self-appointed vigilante, he might have known that.

msgfromme

Punisher... are you really as superficially dense as you come across?

hahahaha you make me laughed so hard, nice try at a come back. It just made you look even dumber. If I do come across as dense its to point out how stupid comments like yours are. But hey pediphile away mister comic book guy. You can find my comics on isle 4 top left shelf. hahahahahaha

Hey guys, lets get the name of the city right. It is not Stanford--it's Sanford (no T)

I listened to the 911 recording and it doesn't sound like a kid to me at all. Also, of course the yelling would stop after the gun shot, whichever one was yelling.

Right, this could completely go against any story that Martin was violent, if they are trying to portray it that way! But he probably would have had more than one bag of Skittles if he was high.

Absolutely a fair point. I guess we'll just see what else comes out about the case and go from there...but I totally agree with you. I really don't know what to think, but I am open to any possibility since I didn't personally see what happened. It's a sad situation no matter how you look at it, though.

Heck, if he hadn't been shot he probably would have done serious damage to a bag of Doritos.

Maybe if that Zimmerman guy had smoked some he would've been more laid back and not been so ready to shoot someone like he did. He still had no reason to shoot or even follow that kid!! :( Plus if the kid was scared of him and saw he had a gun could it be he was PROTECTING himself!!? I'd be pretty nervous if someone was following me, that's for sure especially if they had a gun.

yes he was so scared of him he jumped him from behind according to what has been posted. If he was honestly afraid why didn't HE call 911? According to the tapes when told not to follow TM he started going back to his truck and that is when GZ was attacked. I heard the screaming on the tape and the shot, he sounded like he was being beat up and I do believe it was GZ being beat up by the kid as by so many accounts it was the kid on top.

Me thinks the black dude stole the skittles from the fat white dude. The fat dude, triped and did a face plant trying to chase the black dude, seeing that his skittles were getting away, pull his gun out and shot the black dude. I guess you can pin that on the weed, after all you can't resist the munchies.

@ just me 3905469 funny how there were others that said Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon while he was face down and how they said it was not a grow man that was screaming but sounded more like a child. Also the screams came to a complete stop after the shot. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM yeah it was definatley Zimmerman screaming for his life when he was the one that had a gun. NOT!!!!

I heard that he once forgot to do his homework and did not open the door for an old lady at the 7-Eleven. Now everything is out in the open!

Listen to the 911 call. Sounds like a teenager and completely stopped once the gun was shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXxGE00KoDc

And witnesses speaks out on the shooting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cWwUAbbWnk&feature=related

had-enough - I listened and I don't hear a kid screaming at all. And the screaming would stop after the gun shot regardless of who it was doing the screaming. If I had a gun why would I start a physical fight? The guy is already tried and convicted in public opinion, why don't we try waiting for all the facts?

cds3456, that was after the struggle and the gunshot, Zimmerman was looking at Martin to see if was breathing and was likely in shock.

had-enough-470242, so you are imagining Zimmerman is holding Martin at gun point while Martin screams for help for a good 30 seconds and then Zimmerman decides to murder him in cold blood now that the whole neihborhood is awake and the police are on the way? Yeah, that makes sense, not.

relly, here in Florida he's lucky he didn't go to prison for possession. Murder somebody, no big deal - get caught with a joint in your ashtray, 16 years. That's Florida.

That's a red state for ya...

RTypo, so all the blue states gets high while all the red states can murder? WT......... So a purple state can have both? That explains Colorado. hmmmmm fascinating.....

Schools have zero tolerance policy on drugs and guns. Doesn't matter if there is a full bag or just a residue.

Hell, a father was arrested after her 4 yr old drawn a picture of a gun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=serjF_dosog

7 yr old was charged for bringing a toy gun to school

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Cops-Charge-7-Year-Old-for-Bringing-Toy-Gun-to-Class-115125844.html

There are a lot of facts that is being hidden. Why isn't there a recent picture of this kid? Why are we seeing a pictures taken years ago? Witnesses have verified that this guy was getting his butt beat up. Two things I have learned, many times the facts are covered up because certain people see this as a race thing, when in reality, it was pure self defense. Too many facts are still unknown, and sooner or later, it will all come out. The truth always does.

I don't know too many people who aren't racist that would refer to black people as "coons." Maybe the shooting wasn't racially motivated, but Zimmerman's actions and comments prior to that certainly suggest that he is.

I read somewhere that the bag incident was a year ago and the latest suspension was for trying to beat up a bus driver. Or was that more mis-information?

@Mom90210, I'm sure if you look, and try hard enough, you'll find an excuse for why Martin should be dead. And you will be more ignorant, and stupid for it!

Not only is Zimmerman still roaming the streets, he still has his gun! And he's in an unknown location. So there's good reason to be afraid to visit FL.

One thing that isn't hearsay, a 17 year old boy was stalked and killed by an armed adult. Those are FACTS.

No, they aren't, eraser. There are several versions of what happened going around, one of which is that Zimmerman was on his way back to his SUV when Martin jumped him from behind. This is why we have investigations, to determine facts. Maybe you should wait for the investigation before jumping to conclusions.

AG99, so eraser was a little off, the facts is that one 17 yr old got shot by 20 something yr old and died. There aren't several versions of those facts dude. or are you saying that trayvon shot and killed zimmerman?

"Stalked and killed" is criminal. Self-defense is not. The investigation and possible trial is to determine which is a fact and which isn't. Eraser's "FACTS" aren't anything of the sort.

Martin on top of Zimmerman in a full mount delivering a heavy dose of ground-and-pound is enough to fear for one's life...I wouldn't be surprised if Martin envisioned himself as Anderson Silva as he rained down the blows on the defenseless Zimmerman.

If you had a choice...let 'Anderson Silva' tee off on you or use deadly force...every one on this forum would use deadly force...unless you're a glutton for punishment.

This is why we have investigations, to determine facts. Maybe you should wait for the investigation before jumping to conclusions.

And if people had not gotten outraged, there wouldn't have been an investigation. The Sanford police barely bothered to gather statements, and in one case actually corrected a witness' statement. They weren't interested in investigating this. They had to be forced.

flbickerchick: It's one thing to be outraged; it's another to form a lynch mob. Have you read some of the comments on msnbc this past month? Some of them are more than rabid; they're practically insane with rage. What chance has Zimmerman of ever getting an impartial jury now? Too many people have no intention of ever considering any evidence that suggests this was anything other than a racially motivated hate crime.

AG99 you're correct and even if they had video of Zimmerman being attached and bludgeoned by Martin, they would still say it was murder. They've already made up their minds on very little fact and a lot of hearsay.

We don't know any of this is true. there are reports that the kid was in and out of juvvy. True? Who knows? And FL Corrections Dept. cannot release juvenile records---So we don't really know anything about this kid--except the parents were caught LYING in what they did tell us. Instead of jumping to conclusions based on race--why not let the facts come out--on both sides.

As to Zimmerman, if he didn't resist arrest in the bar, why did they book him? Who knows? But I don't think this is a simple murder with the kid blameless. What would Zimmerman's motive be? He didn't even know the kid? Too many questions right now on both sides--but the media is spinning this all Martin's way--and that's not necessarily fair--or as we found out--true.

LofiDuff, the article clearly states Florida released that he had no juvi record, so who's the one jumping to conclusions?

@LoriDuff, I'll tell you the facts, zimmerman shot the kid cause he got his arse whooped by a 17yr old and lost his fat face on the ground. What was he suppose to tell his friends, that some 17yr old kid beat the snot out of him. Some people are just poor losers.

thepunisher-2054749: Let me ask you this how did ZIM know the kid was only 17 yrs old?

You telling me everyone you meet you know what there age is right off the bat.

Dont think so, I have meet 40 year olds that look no older than 15 years old and I have meet some 17 year olds that looked as though they were in there late 20's.

So again cause he got his arse whooped by a 17yr old and lost=BS do to I dont think Zim even knew the kid was even a kid. I bet that Zim thought the kid was an Adult from start to finish.

So quit spewing BS

Thank you.

@Leatherneck918 - seems you have a fetish or some sort. but anyways my BS is just as valid as your BS. What's the old saying, "if you can't handle the heat then get out of the kitchen". Looks like Zimmaster had a napolean complex to me, and it caught up to him getting his arse whooped. So you tell me, just cause you got your arse kicked to the ground, when you've initiated the conflict its ok to shoot the person who just whooped your arse. Sounds like a sore loser to me.

Why was Trayvon presented as young small frame kid ? Zimmerman was trying to protect neighborhood from hoodlums .Show the true pictures of Trayvon size . If he was not up to no good why was he lingering in the heighborhood as a gated neighbor hood why did they not have a gate check ? Trayvon should have ID'ed him self . If he did not have a reason to hide .It seems to me when he thru the phone down while talking to girl friend so he could jump Zimmerman . Fits the attack .

@LoriDuff,

except the parents were caught LYING in what they did tell us.

What did the parents lie about?

@Leatherneck,

On the 911 tape, Zimmerman say's he thinks Trayvon is in his late teens.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/16/trayvon-martin-911-audio-_n_1354909.html

@Faye,

Trayvon was 6'2" and around 140lbs

Jo-An-4354969:On the 911 tape, Zimmerman say's he thinks Trayvon is in his late teens.

Late teens=18 or 19=ADULT or are we not concidering 18 to 19 years old not adults. HMMM Earth to JO-AN coming JO-AN might just want to insert foot in mouth now.

Thanks

Thermen Merman: What do people like you dont understand. ZIM does not have a record of battery on a Police officer. Why the charges were dropped... So the only thing on ZIM's record is just an Arrest, yet no charges assigned to the arrest=Means charges were dropped. That means sunshine that it never happened.

Hey pencilneck, are you zimmer's friend or what? You seem to stick up for the dude an awful lot. How do you know the battery charges weren't droped to a lesser offense? If it did, did the lesser offense happened?

As a first time offender, Zimmerman entered a "Diversion Program" for an "assault on a LEO". If completed successfully, it doesn't show up on your record.

Zimmerman also had a restraining order put on him by an ex girlfriend for domestic violence.

thepunisher-2054749: Then he would have an offense on his record and in fact he does not=Dropped not lessened. No I am no friend of ZIM, nor do I live in Florida.

Why not, look at all of us dumb moths to the flame.

Yet you are here posting away...... like dumb moths to the flame

Thermen, you do know that in order to get an assault charge on a leo all you have to do is push his hand away from you if he is reaching for you; right? Yeah tell me about it, I think this is a bull@!$%# charge myself. You ought to be able to at least hit him or something before they can charge someone with assault. Any ways welcome to the police states of America.

Had-enough he did say = us.

Anyways I wish the Martins would have come clean about Trayvon past and the way he dressed and everything, so this couldn't be a deterrent in the case. Most all teens dress like this these days and act thuggish, mine did and now that they've grown up a little bit they have changed. Trayvon will not get that choice to make.

I mean if the investigation comes out that Trayvon was in the wrong, really what can anyone say. If it would have been anyone on this sight going through the same situation they've probably done the same. As far as not following someone, that is a BS excuse and anyone concerned about their neighborhood would do the same. I can remember when the whole community raised the kids and you'd get in trouble away from home, then when you got back home.

I guess the moral of this story is too hug your kids no matter how old they are and tell them ya love them. You may not get the chance to do so tomorrow! Sad just Sad.

Racist? How about the Black Panthers offering a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman. Racist?

Oz. cant you post that story please??

Google it. It has been reported many times.

Tom in NH, Use your search engine & type, Black Panthers bounty on Zimmerman. That is what I did. You will be amazed.

I'm not sure if that is racist. Sounds like vigilante justice to me. I read the story, They didn't say we will give anyone 10K to kill the honkey Zimmerman. Also on the same serch result page there was an article about Jesse Jackson denouncing the black panthers bounty.

Good point!

If it is okay for Zimmerman to act as a Vigilante, what can he expect?

Hopefully, the fact that Jesse Jackson denounced the bounty idea, will calm some people down. But, sadly, it probably won't.

Nowhere in this article does it indicate the statement that your making.

How about the Black Panthers offering a $10,000 bounty on Zimmerman. Racist?

Yes, it probably is racially motivated. Does that make it OK?

Of course he was trying to make it political. There was a large national outcry so of course obama is going to get his name associated with it.

First I would like to say this is a bad thing that happened to this kid, terrible, with this being said he should not have worn a hoodie, kids should not be allowed to wear hoodies period, they are looked at as bad kids for wearing them, why!! because Gangbangers wear hoodies, bad kids wear hoodies, a lot of bad kids sag there pants, this is a fact. People yell Racism, it's not, take off the hoodie and act like you got a brain in your head, if you know that wearing a hoodie could bring you some problems, TAKE IT OFF, or don't wear it with the hood up, YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT AND A GANGSTA. If serial killers had a dress code and wore let's say Black leather pants and a Orange shirt, do you think I would go out dressed the same way, NO!!!!!. The Black community yells Racism everytime a Black person has a crime commited on them, and of course Jessie Jackson and Rev Al Sharpton come climbing out of the wood work complaning.

For christ sake..IT WAS RAINING! If that boy had only been wearing a SUIT AND TIE he wouldn't have ended up DEAD!. The comments on here are moronic!.

Where do you live, in White Bread America, an all White community, when I see someone wearing a hoodie I automatically think they are bad, WHY!!!! because bad kids do wear hoodies, Gangbangers wear hoodies, THIS IS FACT, just stop wearing the hoodies, sagging pants, PROBLEM SOLVED IF YOUR A GOOD KID.

NavyVet he was asked a question about it at a press conference. He didn't call a press conference to talk about it...God forbid he answer a question candidly. He didn't call for Zimmerman to be lynched, he said it should be investigated. Obviously the FBI felt the same way since they started their investigation before Obama even said that. Man you people will do anything to villify Obama.

@Steve K-3196796....hahahah you need serious help, looks like you just defined a new phoebia, phoebia of the hoodies. I guess lets shoot the master hoodie him self, Bill Bilichick. That is one scary dude if you ask me. But I'm ok for shooting that beaver dude, I'm sick of seeing that purple hoodie of his.

any time the president makes a comment in the media it is political. that is the way it works when you are a politician. politics in this country are becoming some sort of religion with many corrupt and vile branches infecting their followers with lies and half-truthes. The same roots feed the trunk that all the branches spring from and apparently few people can see that we are all leaves from the same tree.

It honestly blows my mind that someone would associate an article of clothing with the good or badness of another person. Have you ever worn a hoody? They are quite comfortable, especially if one is faced with foul weather, that hood will help reduce your exposure to the elements and help you retain more of your body heat. I wore a hoody today while I was tuning up the bosses lawnmower and changing my spark plugs. When I got home I did a little weed while wearing a sleeve-less t-shirt in the garage while my bro waxed his snowboard.

Steve, you lunkhead, I've been wearing hoodies since before you were born only they weren't called hoodies then, they were just sweatshirts with hoods. I have at least 4 in my closet now, and I'm not BLACK, and I'm not MALE, and I'm not a TEEN, and sometimes I even walk around the neighborhood after dark with the hood up when it's cold. Next time I'm going to take a can of iced tea and some skittles, and then it will be okay if our neighborhood watch guy shoots me because I was asking for it? It's going to look pretty bad when they find a skinny old white woman dead under that hoodie, but I had it coming, right?

Further, my son has a closet full of hoodies, but that doesn't mean his pants sag and it doesn't mean he has no brain in his head. He's not a gangsta and he's not an idiot, he just happens to think hoodies are comfortable and he'll probably be wearing them right up into his old age. He is thirty years old, works full time, wife and family, outstanding son, husband, and father.

This kid would have been shot dead that night if he'd been wearing a suit and tie or if he'd been wearing a plain t-shirt and jeans because his blackness would have clearly visible, so he would have been shot because he was black and therefore bad. It wasn't the hoodie that got him killed, and it won't be a hoodie that would get me or my son shot and killed in the dark. It would have been the fault of the idiot carrying a gun around in the dark.

Gangbangers wear hoodies, bad kids wear hoodies

So do high school and college athletes. Why don't you go watch Geraldo open another vault?

Churchmouse- I may be older than you, it all depends where you live, I live in a gang infested town where gangsters and bad kids wear hoodies, so if you are a good kid and wear a hoodie your going to get treated differant, this is fact, just be smart and stop wearing the hoodies, or don't put the hood up, hands in the pocket, walking in the dark with your head down, YOU LOOK SUSPICIOUS, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Back when I was growing up if you wore Blue jeans and a White Tee shirt or a Black leather jacket people thought you were bad, this is a new world, it is very violent, and kids are a lot worse then they were back then, there terrible and a lot of you out there just do not want to except it.

Man you people believe anything now it turn out he attack Zimmerman from behind and as for the rest of his record release and such nothing more then what his moms lawyers are doing with baby pictures and lies,there was no one Innocent in this and for all you bandwagon people who bought the lie and stirring of the pot by the news I say this is why this country is going down hill so fast!No backbone ,no thought only jump on the wagon with little or no evidence of a issue! Shame on the lawyer for dragging it through the mud and making it a racist situations.

Obama gets blasted for commenting and he would get blasted for not commenting. He was asked a question and responded like any parent would have. But for all the people who hate and despise him, this is another example of Obama "exploiting" an issue.

You do realize you're an idiot.

If by instigated you mean walking home with skittles then you are right. If someone was following me, had a gun and I felt threatened by and maybe get a leg up on, you sure as hell bet I'd attack them. And Zimmerman sustained "minor injuries" according to the cops, so the violence inflicted couldn't have been bad.

The witnesses are suggesting his head was being beaten on the ground. I've been in fights, and if that happened the guy would have a whole hell of a lot more damage.