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Subscribe to RSSVermont police on Wednesday charged a couple with second degree murder in the death of teacher Melissa Jenkins, and court documents allege they pretended to have car trouble to lure her to a site where she was strangled.
Allen Prue, 30, and his wife Patricia, 33, wanted to "get a girl" on Sunday night, although he and his wife "didn't plan to get one forcefully," according to court documents. Police gave no further details on a possible motive.
The two were taken into custody Tuesday night, The Caledonian-Record News reported. They were arraigned in court Wednesday morning where they pleaded not guilty. They are being held without bail.
Patricia Prue allegedly called Jenkins on Sunday night and told her they needed help because their car had broken down.
When Jenkins arrived, Allen Prue allegedly strangled her, and he and his wife then put the body in the backseat of their car and drove to their home. At some point Patricia Prue strangled Jenkins as well to "ensure she wasn’t breathing," Allen Prue allegedly told police. But Patricia Prue denied any knowledge of Jenkins' death.
Back at their home, they allegedly put Jenkins' body on a tarp, removed all her clothes and poured bleach on her body. The Prues also allegedly removed their clothes and put them on the tarp.
They then drove to a boat access at the Connecticut River, which separates Vermont from New Hampshire, and put Jenkins' body in the water, weighing it down with blocks and concealing it with brush, the documents state.
They allegedly took the tarp and the clothes to New Hampshire where they burned it.
Police were called Sunday night after Jenkins' son was found alone in her vehicle on a back road in St. Johnsbury.
Jenkins' former boyfriend told police she said that she had gotten a call from a person who used to plow her driveway and that she was going to help them, the documents say.
The ex-boyfriend told police that Allen Prue had once asked Jenkins out on a date, and that she felt uncomfortable around him.
The body of Jenkins, a 33-year-old single mother of a two-year-old boy, was found in the woods on Monday by a state trooper.
Allen Prue is a snow plow driver and a sub-contracted newspaper delivery person for The Caledonian-Record since January, the newspaper said.
Police said they searched the Prue's home in Waterford Tuesday night. No alleged motive was provided, but Vermont State Police said in a statement that "they knew Ms. Jenkins and had snow plowed her driveway a couple of years ago."
Jenkins taught science and used to coach basketball at the prestigious St. Johnsbury Academy, which counts former President Calvin Coolidge among its alumni.
"She's got a real gift with students who either haven't liked science before or learning science doesn't come easy to them," headmaster Tom Lovett said. "She's got a real gift with them."
Vermont State Police
Allen Prue and Patricia Prue are seen in booking photos.
Dozens of students gathered at the academy Monday night after the news that a body had been found. Classes were canceled Tuesday.
Jenkins grew up in Danville, a tight-knit town west of St. Johnsbury where she attended the Danville School.
A family friend said Jenkins left her home Sunday night to meet up and help someone out.
"She would do anything for anybody. She definitely will be greatly missed," said Ron Craig, of Peacham.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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What was the motive?:
Maybe that the Prue's are funny looking?
People get pretty nuts when snow-plowing is involved
Psycopathy, alki losers don't need a motive.
James 43 is right. Motive may not have mattered.
Everyone notice they are charging these animals with second degree murder? Means no death penalty. So they kill this teacher - take her life - and the State believes they deserve to keep their lives despite taking one and leaving a child motherless?
How about the child as a victim? Just ignore the child? Kill the mother, leave the child to die in a car out in the cold night and it isn't a crime?
Shameless prosecutors. Cowards and incompetent. Go hire a real prosecutor.
This can't be only yesterday lots of idiots were saying it had to be her sons Dad who did this. I know they haven't been convicted yet so are still considered innocent but I bet all those who wanted the Dad arrested won't say a thing.
Looking at those suspects, I'd say the motive was "Tuesday".
Anybody who immediately accused the father of her child of this murder feel like apologizing today?
Anybody?
Anybody?
Nah, didn't think so. Those "blame the ex FIRST" types never want to admit that they're wrong.
I never fingered dad but I'm still glad he's not being charged; at least now her son might have a safe place to grow up. If dad had been involved he would have lost them both.
Yeah unlv702 except for the part where there the death penalty in Vermont only applies to serious cases where someone like a police officer is murdered.
gtouch..... I came on here just to comment about that. Yesterday the board was full of people who wanted the ex bf/husband executed because they had it all figured out and the ex was guilty, case closed. I bet those people do not show up here today.
I hope that every single person that commented on yesterday's article about this tragedy, who accused the ex, called the father of the baby a "sperm donor", accused the victim of "risky sexual behavior with the benefit of marriage" - I hope you all feel like total crap and maybe might think twice before typing.
Probably robbery was the motive being a snowplow driver he probably did not work much this non winter
That'll never happen, the complete anonymity of the internet brings all kinds of judgmental fools out, so expecting anyone to learn from it is a waste of time.
Personally I didn't think it was the father either with what little information we had and I'm very glad he's been cleared...at least to those that accused him. I hope he and his child can live a happier life after all this is over without accusing glares from people who can't drop suspicion.
If these two did murder her they should be made to suffer a very long time, their actions not only became murder but could easily have killed the child by leaving it alone in the car on a cold night. I'm interested in their motive but for now my thoughts and well wishes go to the victims family and friends, she sounds like she was a good soul.
When the suspects married she didn't have to changer her name. Already related by the looks of things.
Looks can be deceiving, but...probably NOT in this instance.
I hope the people on here that have totally exonerated the ex, know something we don't. You still don't know if he is innocent so why are you folks saying that he is. you are just as ignorant as those who convicted him already.
spell check, i bet they do and now it's the prue's who are definitely guilty and should be put to death.
Dumb and dumber
There is simply no reason for this kind of murder...plain and simple. No way it should be defended or excused. There should be no less degree of murder unless it is in self defence or prooven to be accidental period. If you kill someone on purpose, it should be first degree and you lose. I am so tired of hearing about good people having their lives taken away and their families suffering as a result and then the perps getting off for good behavior because they were being good in prison getting free meals, an education and free medical care. Where is the justice for people like this woman, her children and so many others? We spend billions of our money to defend and house these idiots and give nothing to the victims families. This is just plain wrong and it needs to change. Did you know it cost over a hundred dollars a day to keep these lunatics in prison. F them....they are not worth the paper Ive aleady used to wipe my a@@. Want to cure the over crowding problem in our prisions and not have to spend our money to build new ones? There is an obvious solution IMHO
Vermont does not have the death penalty - New Hampshire has it for police, the only way a Vermonter can be on death row is if they commit a Federal Offense and a Federal Prosecutor takes the case.
As liberal as Vermonter's say they are - they are racist, if this were proven to be a Hate Crime, perhaps these POS could be executed. If you don't live in Burlington and have any color to your skin, you can bet people will be racist behind your back (even in Burlington)... lived there, lived through it, left quickly...
She looks like a nice mom, I hope her son will know her, and how much she must have loved him.
Allen always delivered the paper on time; he could never do a thing like this.
It probably had something to do with sex.
@ron - what are you even talking about? She had her son in the car with her - these are small towns, everyone knows everything, how do you think the police figured this one out. Judging by the age of the child and the article's statement that the man plowed her driveway "a few years ago," perhaps at that time she was with the father and perhaps words or fists were exchanged between the men...over race....
The mom/teacher is beautiful, her murderers are not in her league...if she were dating, that's something we don't know and is non of our business.
Innocent until proven guilty. Arrested fairly quickly though hopefully solid evidence. Enough to actually convict if guilty. Odd when it is a couple as well. Maybe serial killers. More victims may pop up from missing persons? Who knows only time will tell. And yes if they did do this they should also be charged with the crimes of endangering the child. If it was planned it should be jumped up to Murder 1.
They can still up the charges once more is revealed.
Even though they didn't have a trial yet..Mr & Mrs Prue are going away for a very long time in Vermonts prison system. They can shovel the snow in the prison playground for free.
Remember Mel Ignatow in Louisville, KY. He and his on again off again (and very ugly) girlfriend killed, raped & tortured his ex-girlfriend, a beautiful woman named Brenda Sue Schaeffer - because she was breaking up with him. Google his name, he was a double jeopardy case..... but the reasons behind why any two people could be so sadistic - I can't explain, yet we know they exist.
unlv702
Vermont has only one thing that will cause them to kill you, treason. In 2005 there was one Death Penalty case and it was federal for a man who carjacked with death resulting and kidnapping with death resulting.
Vermont tends not to have many murders, sure they have some but I believe its the lowest rate in the US.
When I look at those two perps photos, I hear "Dueling Banjos" in my mind.....
A methhead doesn't need a motive.
For those with serious psychosis...........Mere existence and opportunity are the driving motives.
Vermont has more cows than people - per capita they probably keep pace with most of New England (especially rural NE) with most homicides being that of domestic related deaths. Vermonters are not all love & peace ... they are like any other state (perhaps a bit more condescending). Having relatives in the state, I hear of killings, usually in Burlington, of girls walking home late.... and they had the gruesome murder of two girls in the 80's .... (very gruesome).... they keep pace, most people just don't pay attention to Vermont.
Becky S
Agree 100%. in addition to what you've already said i believe attempted murder should get the same penalty as murder. why do we reward these murderers for failing at what they tried to do?
Good gawd, talk about white trash. These two look dumber than a door knob. They called her to lure her. How in the world could they possibly think they would get away with this? Of course one of the first things the police would do is check phone records. Just incredibly stupid people. And why aren't they being charged with first degree murder?
So wait...are these two brother and sister? From the information trickling out it sounds that way. I echo jac's question, why isn't this first degree murder?
I never had a chance to read the article yesterday. Many of you say that there were posters thinking the husband had done it. Not sure what the stats are but aren't victims usually murdered by those who are closest to them???
Terrible thing. From the article, looks like she was kind and well liked, very pretty lady and devoted mom. Sorry the two neanderthals aren't being charged with first degree murder.
Well, BK&SC, it looks like Ron might be on the right track:
Vermont police on Wednesday charged a couple with second degree murder in the death of teacher Melissa Jenkins, and court documents allege they pretended to have car trouble to lure her to a site where she was strangled.
Allen Prue, 30, told police he wanted to "get a girl" on Sunday night, the court documents state, noting that in the past he had asked victim Melissa Jenkins out.
Patricia Prue, 33, allegedly called Jenkins on Sunday night and told her they needed help.
Nope, Vermont does NOT have the lowest murder rate (per capita or per 100,000):
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRord
Hey Black Kettle, you want to post something other than a bunch of BS about Vermont? The only racist people in Vermont are the backwoods hicks, same as any other state in the US. Other than that the bulk of the population here is families with children, most of which moved here or have only been here 1 generation. Not a whole lot of room for racism here. In fact, we are so against Racism Burlington recently held a Trayvon Martin rally that drew a large number of people. Why would Vermont hold a rally to end stereotyping over a case from Florida??
So what, you're black and you've been here and experienced a hard time. Did you ever consider the fact that some people in Vermont are just plain not used to black people? Doesn't mean we hate them, but honestly if you don't live in Burlington, you don't see black people.
The truth of the matter is Vermont is a generally happy place and this case is shaking things up for us.
Like I said, Burlington is different, yet you do protest too much... 1st generation? Really, I had 12 miserable years there...and there are more cows. Ever been to Enosburg or Grand Isle? Anyplace north of Burlington? French is the language, they have been farming for generations, what state threatens to secede and join Quebec? It's not Alaska....
Actually, I think you will find that Urban people from the South have no problem being racist to your face.
Keep your "Mozart in the Park," mentality and let people of color who LIVED there speak - in another forum!
Of course Vermont is a "happy place," there are more 20 & 30 somethings living off of trust funds than that of any other state.... happy, rich, not working, and rarely having to mix with those of color - go VERMONT!
This is so sick and sad it's difficult to even process.
Condolences to the family.
Is this Patricia Prue the so-called friend who told police she was the last one to see Jenkins alive? I kind of suspected the friend, not the father of the boy.
Ron, you are probably right about the sex - maybe they wanted a 3-way.
As for second degree charges, unlv, the D.A.'s office probably feels they are more likely to get a conviction for that than for first degree murder. I feel bad for the son left behind.
Keep sitting on the rocks on Church Street, talking about "deep" stuff, with your dreadlocks and Birkenstock, don't you realize you live in Disneyland? .... Try the real world out... the dreads on the white folk would not go over well anywhere else...but fairlyland.
Of course you do have that bastion of education UVM.... always a top rated party school and the MOST EXPENSIVE public university in the entire USA! Let me guess, poli sci or philosophy?
When did St. Johnsbury become a "non-hick" town? really? Give me a break, a black person would stand out there or in Danville like a Carnival Cruise ship on Lake Champlain.
Vermont is one of the few states where this really doesn't need to happen. Vermont does not, nor has it ever, required a law abiding citizen to have a permit to carry a concealed handgun. The Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no obligation to respond to your 911 call. With practice, it takes less time to draw a handgun from a concealed holster and fire an aimed shot than it does to dial 911. Had this poor woman been armed, she would probably be alive today. Of course her attackers might not be, but considering their contributions to society to this point, would they really be missed?
If the people of this country were taught the facts about dialing 911 versus being armed, even more people would be joining the record numbers of US citizens who are becoming Concealed Weapon permit holders and gun owners. CCW classes do stress the difference between a justified shooting and one that gets you sent to jail. You can pretty much bet that if you shoot an attacker, you are going to be facing at least some expensive legal fees. That being said, which would you prefer: Being judged by 12 jurors or carried out by 6 poll bearers? I really wish that people were taught the truth about self defense in this country. If you don't defend your life, who's going to? Single gun shot wounds seldom incapacitate the person shot immediately. Head and spine shots will but chest shots can take up to 2 minutes to stop the attacker, longer if they are high on drugs. During that time span they can remain completely mobile and lethal. Read the account of the Miami FBI shootout in the early 80s. Michael Platte was mortally wounded by one of the first agents to fire, but still managed to KILL two FBI agents and wound 7 others, 2 critically. Had Platte surrendered after being shot the first time, he wouldn't have made it to the hospital, his wound was that grievous. These TV shows that show a criminal crumpling up on the ground after a single abdominal shot are incredibly inaccurate and do more to bias juries against the defendant in self defense cases than I care to imagine. Sometimes it's just necessary to shoot someone repeatedly to get them to stop.
Alan Corwin is an attorney who writes books on gun laws around the country and world. He has a new book out on what to do in case it becomes necessary to shoot someone in self defense.
@Black Kettle and Sand Creek, obviously you have a bone to pick with VT. What I read is you calling people in the state racist and pointing out they don't have the lowest murder rate in the nation (it is the 2nd lowest). Just FYI, the only person discussing race is you.
As far as the death penalty, all those bemoaning that VT won't murder the killers (if convicted) seem to miss that the states without a death penalty have lower murder rates than those that do. The death penalty is not a deterent, and the vengence of the death penalty serves no purpose. Life without parole still protects society equally. And the state showing respect for life is a lead by example situation. When the state starts killing people, the respect for life is diminished.
To answer the first question in this post, the article says the motive was "to get a girl", my guess is their plan was rape.
Black Kettle & Sand Creek...lest we forget
I said nothing about dating, I said it was probably about sex and BTW you sure made up a lot of BS in your head about what may have happened in this case,much more than i ever did anyway.
Now that they know more about it and have added to this story. It seems i was right all along.
Im confused about what actually happened to the body... was the "woods" they found her body in the same "boat access" zone of water that they left it in?
I made no comments on my opinion of the death penalty (although the poster who said it costs more, I gave them a point) - you didn't read the entire page or you would see more than just 2010, VT is 6th from the bottom for 1996-2010. I don't have a bone to pick until someone picks it for me - I think one poster put it well enough:
Yes, I did consider that and living there - also knowing the area of St. Johnsbury.... this woman had a mixed race child and "hicks" - no matter their race - can and do sometimes have a problem with that... that's is all I pointed out - that his may be a Hate Crime (and here you are, not in our fairy land of Vermont). Move on... I have.
@ron - sorry that I didn't understand (and still don't) your "sex" reference, but that's all I said to you about that.....so sorry, I don't like your beloved state.
Lol Black Kettle you are ridiculous. Like Alex said the only one discussing race is you. People always forget that racism can come from any race. In a conversation like this I can't help but feel like YOU are being racist. You have nothing good to say. You are just ripping on me and Vermont. I don't wear Birkenstock, I hate the white dreadlock guys, I hate Phish, I didn't go to UVM I went to a real school, Vermont Technical College, but you know what? I love Vermont. And there is a growing refugee community that seems to like it pretty damn well too. It does sound like you stereotyped me, though, do you support Trayvon Martin? You should probably stop stereotyping white people then.
I wonder, based on your posts, if the only reason you had a hard time in Vermont was due to the fact that you are a little bit racist yourself. You're probably one of those types that jumps at every opportunity to toss out the race card. "OH WHAT? YOU SAYIN THAT CAUSE IM BLACK?" but then again I am just assuming, just like you assumed I go to UVM, wear Birkenstock, and have dreadlocks.
To all the posters who believed the ex murdered her (in a 2nd degree fashion):
Have you considered he would pay this couple to do the 2nd degree murder then throw them under the bus by anonymously tipping off the police that they did it?
(Just throwing some $4.00+ a gallon gas on the fire)
eddy - do you mean the Vietnamese population North of Battery Park who are always getting in trouble with the police because NO ONE bothered to inform them of certain laws (can't keep chickens, can't slap your daughter)... yeah...Vermont does a great job at welcoming others...that's why they are all in one neighborhood...
All I meant to point out was that if this was a HATE CRIME, perhaps the Feds could be involved and there would be more justice for this mother & family...
Way to go, you and ron are making me think VT has TOTALLY CHANGED.... so accepting (sarc). What about the death of Rejean Lussier in St. Albans? Sitting in his tractor, on his farm, gunned down with a high power SCOPE rifle....what happened to his killer? I know the family grieves everyday...but he (the murderer) was going to college and a "good kid" and HE GOT OFF... look it up... Vermonter's hear only what you want to hear.... business as usual.
Black Kettle - "Dreadlocks & Birkenstocks". That would be a great title for a book. We have a community on an island about a half-mile ferry ride from where I live in Washington State that is made up mostly of old Hippies, Humanists, & Heaven-knows-What. I'm tempted to try my hand at a short documentary. May I borrow your quote?
Mr. Righteous..... that is an interesting thought. I hope it's not true but, nevertheless, it's happened before.
@Ron: Or lack there of ?
well said eddy...the race card needs to stop being played no matter what color your skin is and the only one to bring that up was you black kettle so sounds like eddy has a point....maybe its you that has the problem...anyway this case is horrifying...hopefully its a slam dunk for the prosecution and these two are put away for a long time
I feel so sorry for the child that was left behind. Everyone always look at the ex first in any murder case. I knew the father of the child did not do this because he would have never have left the child behind. It's very apparent this murder comes down to two things. 1. He wanted to teach her a lesson because she turned him down. Very obvious the white man didn't have a chance. and 2. The wife became very jealous of the fact that she is a very pretty woman and her husband was hitting on her. someone who pours bleach on the body is hoping to make her ugly and unrecognizable as well hoping that it would kill all traces of DNA. This woman befriended the victim to get her trust just to kill her. This awful
Black Kettle, Since when is it up to anyone to INFORM a newcomer of the local rules? Are you serious?????? Does this mean that I would not have to press 1 for English if someone/anyone had just told the illegals that they had to speak English??? Dang!!!!!!!!!
Who needs to be told that they're not allowed to "slap" their daughter? I'm not even touching the chicken comment, but I sure hope someone told them what they're not allowed to do with a sheep.
@pugface - absolutely....
I am a pacifist, consider myself an inhabitant of the earth, not a state or country. There are people who are truly good, then there are the people who truly think they are good without merit- narcissists really, but that is what I meant when I said, "Dreadlocks and Birkenstocks," they are entitled child-like adults that contribute nothing to society, only talk with each other about how superior they are to the rest of us.
However, you said Hippy, Humanists, et al - my kind of people, you are more than welcome to the quote - for you have the correct (Humanist, we are all connected, myself, a tree, a squirrel, etc (that's what I believe)) belief to make it be, not an insult, but perhaps an inspiration. I'd love to read it! (no sarc).
Lizzie - only repeating what I have heard and when you accept refugees who are from a different culture, yet you offer them NO help into their NEW culture (and these are legal)...how can they not make a mistake, they don't know the language, the customs, they are put in the same neighborhood, so they do what they did back in their old country. It is not their fault that NO ONE takes the time to explain the NEW laws they live under, how wonderful for a city to claim it has refugees, but they shouldn't be treated like that, they should be the same as any other person in that city...
I was a child living there, want to pick on that? 1st-12th, Brooklyn before, Illinois after...and I'm NOT the race you all have LABELED me, part, but two more which leave people asking me (about race)...."what are you?" I'm not white, although my grandmother was and she was a wonderful person. I'm not racist, but I'm not so stupid to think it doesn't exist. Think what you will.
I didn't bring up race as an agenda, but I know VT, this teacher was not "low profile" simply because she loved and had a child that was not lily white... this is a big deal in VT, the bigger deal is those of you who have DERAILED the comments, labeling me, calling me names, because I pointed out the OBVIOUS, from EXPERIENCE that this COULD be a HATE CRIME... please, have some sense, a child lost it's mother...that is the story, was she lost due to race, maybe, maybe not....
gene85 - might want to look up who you agree with....
quote from eddy:
Dude weightism really are you kidding me? WOW. You want to know why people rag on fat people? BECAUSE ITS UNNATURAL AND GROSS. Fat does not survive in the wild. FACT. That makes it unnatural, because nature and the environment is thus that if you are physically unable to survive you will not!
He's a really nice person (sarc)... look at the statement:
You picked a winner to stand by.... and eddy, you are the entitled mean VT brat I talked about - if I go by YOUR STATEMENT above?!?
No offense meant, Black Kettle. I tend to become more of a live and let live person the older I get, 66 now, and some would find that odd as I'm very conservative in most things. I understand the connection - tree, squirrel - but I still have to believe in a higher power since I know someone or something far more powerful than us has to be responsible for this complex universe we call home. I can't even imagine we are the most intelligent life in existance. What a disapointment that would be.
The island I mentioned is an interesting place, once pretty much small farms and such, but becoming way more diverse over the last forty years. There was even a gathering of monks living in yurts over there for a few years. You might really enjoy the lifestyle, it's pretty kicked back.
When I look at their pictures, I'm thinking "paddle faster, I hear banjo music".
Why didn't the police just stand their ground when they found these two, questioned them, and after they've admitted what they did? Problem solved.
pugface - As a biochem engineer & student in the 1990's, which I chose specifically to understand how things work, I realize that all organic things are connected, Monsanto and GE (genetically engineered) crops will destroy life, our oceans are acidic because of what humans have put in them...I'll send you a friend request and hope you accept... I am not racist nor did I mean to derail the conversation, it was a different story when I logged on (no sex thing),... anyway, privately, we can talk but human cells have a frequency (and an isomer)(cancer cells have a different one), trees have one - pheromones and frequency is how we communicate with what is around us... I could pull out a bunch of scholarly journals, but.... one needs to really FEEL, enjoy the birds, watch the squirrels (and I live in the city) .... all is connected....1st Law of Thermodynamics - energy can neither be created nor destroyed :) Have a nice day! PS: we may not agree on anything....but a respectful conversation is always good!
They both look like METH HEADS !!
@alex who wanted to blast my "opinion on the race factor," funny, yesterday you were singing the tune that the Black father did it.... , how quickly you become enlightened, with the wind!
@ unlv: Before you go ranting about incompetent prosecutors, you might want to get some facts.
Vermont does not have the death penalty. It was abolished in the 1960s.
And like first degree murder under Vermont law, second degree murder can result in the next-strictest penalty possible: life in prison without parole.
Second degree murder is easier to prove than first degree murder because there are additional elements required for FDM.
Now, what's your point?
Black kettle, does someone need a job?
If that were my daughter those two would never seen a courtroom.
i get it black kettle while others may not. Earlier in the post, many asked what was a motive. you pointed out that the child was half black and you experienced vt. to be a lil on the racist or intolerant side when you lived there for the most part. I get it, im white, i def noticed that the couple was white trash which tends to suggest they may have hostility towards blacks just because they seem to be less educated as a whole. The more educated someone is, the less likely they will adopt predjudicial attitudes. I get it. Just don't expect a lot of others to. a lot of whites don't like to hear the race card being brought up but if they truly looked deep they would realize they still have predjudice of their own. they are always the first to be in uproar. What they need to realize is that blacks in this country are STILL being oppressed despite dramatic steps to improve race relations. whites do not want to admit this. they just want to rant about the disproportiat number of blacks on welfare but fail to take into account the power the past treatment of blacks in the country has on today. they fail to realize how hard it is to rise above circumstances and to see how some people are given more oppurtunity than others and would probably be feeling the same way if they were born into the ghetto. Don't infer that i think all blacks live in the ghetto, simply not true. i just think whites need to acknowledge how hard it is for blacks in this country still to this day.
"Those "blame the ex FIRST" types never want to admit that they're wrong."
Maybe it's because they usually aren't. I don't know the exact numbers but the vast majority of crimes are commited by someone close to the victim. I don't know the facts of this case but generally an ex is looked at closely since statistically they are more likely the perp.
I have this simple little rule. Don't make judgments about a case before all the facts are out. It keeps my blood pressure down and I don't end up looking like a fool.
This should reinforce a lesson many women already know and that is to be a bit skeptical in situations like this and TRUST YOUR GUT FEELINGS.
Not sure why a single mother with a little boy would leave her house in the dead of night to go help a man that the article said she was already anxious around? If she had followed her "intuition" that this guy was creepy, she might still be alive.
What's wrong with calling the police to go "help" this couple. It's sad when stories like this circulate because it tends to cause more distrust and when someone legitimately needs help maybe they won't get it.
Ted Bundy used this "help me" approach too. I for one am going to call the police and not do the rescuing. More than glad to call 911 though.
Thanks ashp, I understand that "race" is an issue people don't like to hear, but after seeing the child, and living that color in Vermont, I had to wonder. The people, who called me names, they were the same ones who were saying the "black" father did it yesterday.... or (this is precious)
way to pat oneself on the back with that ....we held a rally - you know how many other cities did also? Probably not, because you are VT & you do it best..... did you know he was killed a month ago? Where were the tears then? The rallies? The rallies were in the "Black" churches and communities...we saw how no one cared until - out of the blue, the President is involved and the mom is on TV.... some of us knew this story March 1st, but we didn't pat ourselves on the back about it, it is a tragedy that WE SEE so often. So what will VT do now? Are you going to "rally" for justice in St. Johnsbury? Rally for the "mixed kid" whose mother was killed??!
Why did you rally for Martin? I call it, from The Cure song "Jumping Someone Else's Train" ... the lyrics should resound with rob and alex at least... The Cure:
steve-o - I have a job, isn't your idol in rehab or still putting firecrackers up his a$$?
Read MY posts, I have never been derogatory to a race, religion, age or handicap and I have written extensively, more than many American's attention span.... but when I look at what you have written, well, you are true to the "Jacka$$" name you chose!
Too bad we can't try these two here, then I could see a needle in their immediate future!!
Ok all of you ragging on everyone yesterday for blaming the kids father...I think the motive is the kids father paid them to do this :)
@unlv702, humans are the only animals that kill for entertainment. Animals only kill for food, or defense. Even a cat 'playing with a mouse', is teaching its' kits how to survive. Calling these creeps animals is a disservice to the animal world. Actually, in cruelty, these two were the very epitome of human.
We live in a sin sick world depravity... as The Holy Bible, Prayer,Ten Commandments and the Name above all Names Jesus.. is hated.. people alway think they know better... Praying for this lil boy. We are made in the image of God... read the Bible The Creator of all will one day come and judge... Know Jesus a personal relationshop with Him makes all the difference.888NEEDHIM!
Black kettle: it's good to read how you keep your head when those around don't.
I commend you on your ability to communicate in a mature and intelligent manner (it's refreshing) No sarcasm.
Unbelieveable. I made a comment on here yesterday about all the people that already had the father convicted and I said they would not show up here today. I was wrong. They have shown up and are still blaming the father saying "he paid them to do it." Wtf? There is zero evidence of this and there is something truly wrong with this thought process
It's about as easy to point the finger at the obvious choice for a suspect as it is to sit there behind your computers and judge others once you are finally given the facts.... after the fact. No one is impressed by your attempt to portray total omniscience.
Just because a lot of people were basing their assumptions on the laws of probability and the rest of you said nothing, doesn't mean you can do the "told you so" dance now. Having no opinion yesterday doesn't make you right today. Get over yourselves.
Watch any crime show like dateline or 48 hours and 9 times out of 10 the spouse, significant other, lover of the significant other, rejected love interest, etc, are the ones that committed the crime. Why? Because they usually have the most to gain from the murder: Money, child custody, revenge, freedom from obligation are all common motives. So you can't blame someone for looking there first. It's the exact same approach as a detective would take.
And I am so sick of the hypocrisy on these boards when a story breaks out. Why do you even look at the comments if you don't care about what other people are thinking? The whole point of a forum is to share ideas (yes, even speculation). Wanting people to keep their uninformed opinions to themselves completely defeats the purpose of Newsvine, so who cares if you personally don't agree? If it offends you that much then don't read it. I promise we won't miss you!
Yes, there is still a chance that the baby daddy was involved. Since we are not investigating none of us will know for sure, so the possibility is still there whether you think it is fair or not.
Thought they were twin brother and sister, they sure look alike. Anybody do a dna check? Bet they make butt whupping moonshine and chew cud at the same time.
Lolly, I am not sure if you were replying to me, but if you look at my post, I said nothing about suspecting the father. I spoke only about the posters who claimed that he had done it and they knew it. They didn't know it and they were wrong. Also, if you read my posts, you would know that mine was one of the first when the story first broke, so I had no knowledge of this couple at that time and did not wait until "the facts were in." I also never said for uninformed people to keep their comments to themselves. I made the call that people were going tu judge the ex guilty before the facts were in, and they did just that. Finally, I also never told anyone to leave the vine, although you insinuated that I should.
If you did not direct your comment toward me, then please disregard this post. Thank you for reading.
How sad for the family and friends of this teacher. Why would they murder her when her little boy is still in the vehicle??? Cowards!!!! DEATH PENALTY.......
This little guy is now going to have to grow up without the love of a mom!!! To me, that is the saddest part of this entire ordeal. The kids she taught will not longer have her around to teach them.
SAD, SAD, SAD!!!
May she rest in peace and her little one grow up to be a strong individual... My heart goes out to him and the rest of her family/friends/students.
The death penalty will not bring his mom back. It is always amusing how people can say rest in peace and kill in the same breath.
their death will not bring the mother back - that is correct, but the death penalty, when carried out, is 100% effective at preventing repeat offenders and will save the tax payers in VT many thousands of dollars in food, clothing, health and dental care, and shelter that will be provided these two for the rest of their lives. There are some members of the human race who need to be removed - this is two of them.
unlv702 wrote "Means no death penalty." Probably because Vermont doesn't have the death penalty. Hasn't had it since 1964 or '65. Kind of hard for prosecutors to demand it when they can't do it don't ya think?
There is no death penalty in VT, therefore even if first degree they wouldn't get it. Consecutive life sentences is the most they can get.
Who else did they kill?
I'd bet the little boy was asleep &/or kept silent during the ordeal his mom suffered struggling to get away, & the perps didn't even notice him, or they surely would have taken him, too. They don't look like the types to leave the little boy behind out of the kindness of their hearts. Or, could be they meant to come back for him, but the friend got there first. Probably took them awhile to get the mom out in the woods where no one could hear her screams, then have their sicko fun, then kill her & try to figure out what to do with the body. They don't look smart enough to plan past the luck of nabbing, abusing, & killing their victim.
AlwaysLearning-2110156 I must have missed the part of the article that spoke what the two that have yet to be convicted done. What sicko fun did they have? Quit being an arm chair detective.
Eeeew, gross -they actually have a$$e$ for faces. This is one of those few instances where I would say guilty based on looks alone. Gross, weirdo, losers.
To Rob,
It costs more money to have someone on death row than it does to keep someone in prison for the rest of their life because of all the appeals and court costs. I'd rather just let them be locked up and watch every moment of their life that they could be spending as a free person just tick, tick, ticking away.
definite death penalty case...
Death penalty isn't assessed in second degree murder cases... AND the death penalty is not allowed in Vermont... 0/2 there
How on earth do they get "second degree murder"? Did they do it or not? If so get a rope and get it overwith!
there are legal criteria that have to be met for 1st degree murder (premeditation, murder for hire, murder in the commission of a felony etc), they might not have the evidence required to charge them with anything better at this point
Apparently, truesaid, you have no real idea how the legal system works. There's a distinct difference between 1st and 2nd degree murder. Yes, in both cases someone committed murder. It's not about did they do it or not: it's about premeditation. In this case, apparently, the prosecutors believe there was no premeditation; the crime just occured in the "heat of the moment". And hence we have second degree murder.
No death penalty in 2nd degree cases. And, as evolution1085 pointed out, no death penalty in VT, period.
No death penalty in Vermont? WTF !
*sigh*
Eeeeewwww!
^^This, I suspect.
For all of you asking why not 1st degree murder, the state must be able to prove that the murder was premeditated and that is not always easy to do, whereas 2nd degree murder is easier to prove. Doesn't mean they won't spend the rest of their lives behind bars. But, they are still innocent until the state proves otherwise.
Shandril I agree
There is no death penalty in VT
Whether you are for, against, or undecided on the death penalty we should all realize that some, NOT ALL, commit crimes in these states where the death penalty is off the table for that very reason. Complete idiots will commit crimes no matter where they are, however some have a little sense to reason what the consequences will be if they are ever caught. I do not know the laws of Vt., however I can only pray that if they are CONVICTED by a JURY, they receive life, and it would mean life with NO possibility of parole. They were charged with 2nd degree.. the police and prosecutor must have a reason for that, although I can't imagine what could possibly keep it from being 1st degree..we all have to wait and see, because we certainly do not know all the facts of the case. Stay tuned, it can always be upgraded, perhaps for the treatment of her son and the possibility of his dying in the car....God love him!
It's always sad to hear of anything like this, and I still wonder "WHO" is raising these heartless, empathy-less thugs? Just too sad all around.
My heartfelt sympathies to all the family, friends, students and the community who have been affected with this absolutely senseless tragedy.
Premeditation- whatever. Whether someone had a master plan to whack somebody ahead of time or made a split second decision, murder is what it is. But our so-called legal system has it all worked out right? Good for them- hope VT enjoys catering in food for these bastards and making sure they have the latest cable channels at taxpayer expense in 'prison'.
@truesaid.... you do know that, with all the mandatory appeals someone convicted to death is allowed to go through, it's actually more expensive to kill someone (taxpayers pay for court proceedings and most of the time the legal aide lawyers that are constitutionally granted to poor inmates) than it is to house them for life
So if these perps are convicted of only 2nd degree murder, how soon will they be back out on the street? In a liberal state like Vermont, probably way too soon.
In this case it would stop inbreeding. Look closely at the photos of those two.
So there was no premeditation? In other words, the idea to kill someone just popped in their heads? And were are somehow safer under those circumstances?
I do agree that premeditated murder is as serious as it gets, but someone who kills a person for their life insurance money is not a threat to me, but someone who kills the first person they see walking down the street is...
I think they are brother and sister, not husband and wife.
In some states (such as my own, Minnesota), first degree murder isn't an initial charge, but second degree is. A grand jury decides if first degree is appropriate.
1. As has already been pointed out, Vt does not have the death penalty.
2. Life without parole (the next strictest penalty) can be the sentence for either first or second degree murder under Vt law if there are aggravating circumstances (such as sexual assault, which appears to be present here).
3. As has been pointed out, there are added elements to prove first degree murder that simply don't have to be proved to get a conviction for second degree.
4. Thus it makes perfect sense to charge them with second degree murder.
5. I don't know the practice in Vt, but here in PA I believe all killings are charged as "homicide." Grading the offense is up to the jury based on the evidence at trial and the judge's instructions.
I would think that by calling ahead to have her come out and "help" shows that they planned the whole thing, thereby, in my opinion showing premeditation.
death penalty
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DANNY P
you know nothing about how she died or why yet you call for the death penalty? how about what at least hear some evidence first?
More hate from the pea-brained loser crowd! Evidence means nothing to these ignorant fools.
The article mentioned strangulation as a cause of death.... maybe correct, maybe not. It didn't mention any type of sexual attack, robbery, or any motive.
If it was strangulation, that is just sick because that is a very close contact, and personal deviant act that takes quite a long time...not like a shooting where it happens in seconds and can be at a distance.
Clearly the law enforcement is releasing just a bit, probably in order to protect facts and to make sure they have an unbiased jury in this case for a conviction, can't blame them for that. Not everything is for public consumption. Irregardless, such a sad and evil act against this woman and her son. I don't even want to think of what she and her son went through.
sad the only possible motive might be she owed them a few bucks for plowing they did. these people suck.
Actually, that seems like the least likely possibility. More likely the husband is a sick pervert & his sick wife helped him fulfill his sick fantasy.
Why do you think owing them money is "the only possible motive?" These could just be really sick people. Maybe the motive was robbery. Maybe they raped her and they didn't want to be identified. Maybe they're just really sick and did it for a thrill. Maybe there was no motive at all. Who knows why sick and twisted low-life people do anything? The point I'm making here is that it's best not to speculate until you know the facts. That's how rumors start.
Know the facts? Silly, Kat! Why ruin a perfectly good comment with facts?
Dolores, that actually crossed my mind. Probably not the "likely" scenario, but certainly a possibility...sad, but that does happen. ONE is weak, and the OTHER is dominating and controlling and manipulative...sick, but occasionally true. Although not the norm circumstance.
What is wrong with people. So very Sad. That poor young child. Lock them up and throw away the key.
Why is it that the losers always look like losers? Hope they get whats to them. RIP poor victim.
I am with Tom R This couple look like complete losers- snowplowing could not have made him more than $50 bucks this year!!! Newspaper delivery person really, is that even a real job. These are the kind of people that feed off of other people and cheat and steal and well even murder instead of becoming a useful part of society.
so they are guilty? and you know this how? cause the article i read had 0 facts or evidence and didn't even give a motive. i guess you're one of those " the police never make mistakes" type of people.
may i ask your view on how the police in sanford handled the trayvon martin case?
everybody looks like a loser in a booking photo, that's why they tell you to smile, but few ever do
exactly ray, have any of you ever seen a movie star in a mugshot, even they look like crap.
Why are you defending these POSs HATR— HURTER? You seem pretty convinced they are innocent. Don't tell me, you're the Dad or Mom of one of these EXTREME LOSERS !! No?
I was thinking the same thing...why do people like this always look so bad? But then, the Peterson guy who killed his wife and (ancient history) Ted Bundy was attractive. It just seems you can always look at them and say "yep, losers."
jac, no one is defending them. to assume i think they are innocent is idiotic on your part. i believe in using facts to come to a conclusion, something you are apparently not familiar with.
you know that when the female is questioned she is going to say she only helped her lover kill because she was afraid of him, he threatened her,ect. in otherwords not her fault
barb-of course, there is no honor among thieves isn't just a saying. at this point it's every man or woman for themself.
Gena, funny I was thinking the same thing; people say Ted Bundy was attractive, I was 13 when he was executed and I never thought he was at all attractive, I thought he looked like he was a few sandwiches short of a picnic with those crazy guy eyes and that awful hair, but I was not old enough to find guys his age attractive at that time so what do I know.
As for how these two look, I did not see anywhere in the article where it said they were married; could they be siblings? Then again it is proven that we find people that look similar to ourselves more attractive than others, so perhaps they were drawn by their similarities. Either way, being unattractive is not a crime, if it was more of us would be guilty than not, and who is to decide? For instance I find Brad Pitt to be a greasy looking thing that I wouldn't touch with a 99 1/2 foot pole, but many other women seriously disagree with me.
Hatr_Hurter, I am so glad to see that someone other than me are just stupid citizens. So many Nancy Graces post on newsvine.
opinions-i would want people to be fair if it was me being accused so i try to do the same.
Um. HATR, they pretty much admitted it.
read the next section of comments caer raven.
Other than naming the people arrested, there's no new news. Give us some information about this so we can understand why this tragedy happened.
A lot of the time, there is just no understanding why things like this happen. If there was, we might be able to avert it in the future. Jes' sayin'
While I understand what Uncle Gar is saying, I also agree with MONEY AT LAST! because there had to have been some reason the police were able to so quickly serve a warrant on these people and arrest them. I would love to know more regarding the circumstances, evidence found at the scene or perhaps what they believe to be a possible motive to have led them to these two. They did not just pluck these two out of nowhere. Something connected them to the crime. It seems like many times the person (or people) at fault are friends/relatives of the victim(s) that have some kind of obvious connection. So for them to go after these two seemingly random, acquaintance-like folks, who perhaps plowed her driveway at one time, seems like there has to be more they are just not telling us yet. I am all about letting police do their work (I am married to police officer), but at the same time am anxious to know more about why these two were arrested in the first place, and if they were rightly arrested, why on earth did they take this woman's life? Time will tell....
I agree, not enough information presented. The big question of "WHY?" is still lingering....
Luckily it is not your job or anyone's job here to collect the facts. The facts will become available at the appropriate. No one on this message board or not directly involved in this case are entitled to anything beyond these two were arrested and charged with 2 nd degree murder. For those bashing VT for not having the Death Penalty: You don't live here so quit your bitching.
I don't want to understand WHOEVER did this, be it these two or "the real killer". In order to understand the killer / killers would be to be in the darkest part of the devil world I would never, ever wanna go.
I'm more interested in who is raising the killers, rapists, torturers, stealing, thieving, lying, addicted sludge of this world! If we can get to them, maybe we can make a real change. And who are they living next to that doesn't see?
I'm middle aged I guess, but I remember being a part of a community that knew each other, and we knew WHO the freaks were....seriously. And right or wrong, we put them on alert that their behavior wasn't going to be tolerated...period! But then again, that was when everyone sat at the table and had dinner together, talked about their day and enjoyed their family.
Oh, and if you got home after the street lights were in full light, you would answer to it... :))
Re: Concerned
While it's true that the police will release what they want to, AND SHOULD, it doesn't mean that because someone is asking questions you have to be nasty.
The law enforcement has to maintain details for the integrity of the case, and to ensure a non-biased and "too" informed public for jury selection...for sure.
Unfortunately, like so many other things these days, we want/demand INSTANT gratification...must know all, experience all, have all right now dang it.... :(
mammamia80 - Duh! All the police had to do was check the phone records of her final phone calls (in this case a "received" one). Not really so hard now, is it? Did you even read and comprehend the story?
that part wasn't in the story at the time of most of these comments jac. do you understand what it means to update a story?
It was so HATR. The comments only started at 10:03 CT. That's only about two and a half hours ago.
sorry but no it wasn't. they even changed the headline when the new info was released. proof, the comment at the top of this reply even states there is no news "Other than naming the people arrested". otherwise comments like mammia's wouldn't make any sense.
So Whos THere you all got to pic and choose who the freaks were and warned them. Who raises these people are probably parents like yours. These people are sick demented folk, you can not blame it on the parents. I do believe these two are adults. So glad you live in that perfect glass house.
JAC-931625, HATR_HURTER is correct about the story being updated. I was reading it, my teakettle boiled, I hit refresh, made my tea, came back to the computer, and the story and headline were updated! That was after 12 noon.
Jac - My reading comprehension is fine. Many of the details were not initially included when I first read the story. But I'm glad to see there are always nasty people like you on here accusing others of being idiots simply for asking questions in the early stages of a story. Kudos! Your parents must be so proud!
10 deleted, one-line race derail from Steve R.-1932888, didn't get any more on-topic from there.
I feel bad for the child. What's wrong with these people?
So what was the motive????? These two heartless, sick, cowards need to get the DEATH PENALTY!!!!!! My heart goes out to that poor little boy. May God Bless his little soul. How very sad I am for him.
Why only second degree murder?
I'm very curious to hear why that is myself. Too bad Vermont doesn't have a death penalty. Maybe just hook their genital's up to a bug zapper.
Like someone said above, there are certain criteria that need to be met for a first degree murder conviction, like pre-meditation, or that the death happened during the commission of a felony. Maybe the prosecutors feel like there isn't enough evidence for first degree, but there is for second degree.
we know nothing of motive yet, and they may well upgrade it to murder one if the investigation shows pre-meditation.
this initial charge of murder 2 was simply done because thats the evidence they have and they want to detain the suspects. Before this goes to trial as evidence is gathered the charge could be bumped up. Without evidence to say otherwise how can you speculate?
Because there is a mixed baby, so that lessons the charges.
The article stated that the police didn't yet know the motive behind this crime. It seems it would be very difficult to prove premeditation without knowing the motive. As the investigation progresses more facts will be uncovered and there is the possibility charges could be changed to 1st degree murder. In the meantime at least they can't get out on bail.
Trash ! Behead them both in public.
you are seriously disturbed if you're ready to put them to death after hearing 0 evidence that they even committed this crime.
Once AGAIN, HATR seems pretty sure these 2 did not commit this crime.
The police didn't just randomly pluck these two off the street and charge them. They had EVIDENCE HATR ! They have the phone records and the guy confessedhe wanted to "get a girl" on Sunday night. What more do you even need HATR? You're either extremely dumb or a family member. Well of course, if you are a famly member of these 2 POSs, you would be both.
to make that assumption from me simply saying that no evidence had been given just shows your lack of critical thinking skills. once again, the phone records and get a girl part weren't in the story when my other comment 13.1 was made, but you're obviously not smart enough to get that they UPDATE these stories after comments have already been made.
It seems obviousl to me that it was premeditated simply by the fact that they lured her to a remote location, however, i have faith tha tthe prosecutors chose to charge them with 2nd degree for a good reason based on the evidence. Better to go with a solid conviction for these two wingnuts than to risk setting them free with weak evidence.
Jac watch Nancy DisGrace she will guide you.
She deserves justics. Whoever that did this should not go free. Police should do a thorough investigation and give her justic. I wish her peace in the next world.
Wood chipper!!!
A couple of pathetic creatures taking the life of an angel- How sad. Blessings on her son.
judge not lest ye be judged, especially since you have heard no evidence. if i were to judge you based on what i know of you(only what you just wrote) it would not go well for you.
Apparently, from what I've read recently, Allen Prue has almost admitted guilt:
Allen Prue, 30, told police he wanted to "get a girl" on Sunday night, the court documents state, noting that in the past he had asked victim Melissa Jenkins out.
Patricia Prue, 33, allegedly called Jenkins on Sunday night and told her they needed help.
kat, that part wasn't in the story when most of these comments were made. all it said was that the prue's had been arrested.
Everyone notice they are charging these animals with second degree murder? Means no death penalty. So they kill this teacher - take her life - and the State believes they deserve to keep their lives despite taking one and leaving a child motherless?
How about the child as a victim? Just ignore the child? Kill the mother, leave the child to die in a car out in the cold night and it isn't a crime?
Shameless prosecutors. Cowards and incompetent. Go hire a real prosecutor.
Capitol punishment was abolished in Vermont in 1965... there are legal criteria that have to be met for 1st degree murder (premeditation, murder for hire, murder in the commission of a felony etc), they might not have the evidence required to charge them with anything better at this point
evolution1085 ~ You are absolutely correct. We all must be mindful of the law in that state. The best we can hope for is that the police have enough evidence that can put them away forever. It all depends on what the maximum sentence is for the final decision by the court. So, if they are charged and found guilty of only 2nd degree murder, than the court can only sentence them up to the maximum amount of time allowed for that judgement. I'm glad you provided the legal criteria for 1st degree murder. As upset and angry as we all are, especially the victim's family, we all wish for the most extreme of punishments - death. However, death will obviously not be allowed for this case and if they are indeed guilty of this heinous crime, then we can only hope for the maximum punishment allowed under Vermont's law.
...okay, who moved the rock where these two were nesting?? Please put it back, there might be more...
This country had better wake up. Just curious about how many people are in our jails due to blatent murder. Can you imagine the money that would be saved if the ones that blatently killed would be put to death. Remember, it should be an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Accidental death is a hole other thing, but to purposefully kill someone should be paid with your own life. Enough is Enough.
100% agree. Save the state and taxpayers money having to house and feed them. My thought's exactly Robert!
Unfortunately it costs more to execute with appeals, etc...
However, I know I won't shed a tear if fellow inmates know the reason why they are incarcerated and justice is "taken care of" by one of them.
If you are so blood thirsty and all for an eye for an eye go to a third world country, they love to put people to death.
Give them both the death penalty, they are guilty and cowards, they kill and want life in prison, kill them
It appears that he likes to use heavy equipment...How about "Death by wood chipper?"
it appears you are both bloodthirsty people since you have heard no evidence and yet KNOW these people are guilty.
Dull woodchipper!!!
Feet first!!!
nothing a sudden case of high velosity lead poisioning would not cure
I realize I shouldn't judge. However,.. the male suspect appears to be among the candidates from a gene pool destined to evolve back to the trees. Only 30 years of age?! This Neanderthal would pass for 48.
Does kinda look like his family tree is a straight vertical line, don't it?
Someone should have poured chlorine in the Prue family gene pool. What a Neanderthal!!!
screw evidence, if the police arrested them they must be guilty cause the police don't make mistakes. /sarcasm
He looks like Elmer Fudd.
Well, yeah ... it's backwoods Vermont.
Come on ladies. We know all of you think he is sooo sexxxxy. (Using the Fat B*sterd voice)
Silly Wabbits!!! HE does look like Elmer!!!
Oooh, he looks such the winner.
there are monsters among us. if you do not know someone well, DO NOT LET YOUR GUARD DOWN, be aware of your surroundings and try not to put yourself in a dangerous position.
Why, oh why? That poor woman and that poor, poor little boy. My soul is racking with tears and my heart aches so much. Why, God, why?
A report is out that Mrs. Prue and Ms. jenkins were having a lesbian affair a couple of years ago and Ms. jenkins cut it off. then Mr. Prue found out and got jelous about the affair so for him to stay with Mrs. Prue, she had to help him get rid of his competition.
Get OUT! Is this for real? Maybe he was mad because he could not watch. Typical male. (Wink!)
^ that is bull@!$%#
Yeah, and a report is out that you were too fond of your neighbor's dog.
Especially your dog, Debbie. XXOO
That is disgusting and probably not even true. Even if it were, there is NO need for crass comments like the one from Suds In Denver. Someone (a mother of a young child, no less!) is dead, for crying out loud!!! If this were your mother/sister/other relative/friend/coworker/etc., how would you feel about someone saying the same thing?
Oh wow. I hope you didn't just make up that reference about the lesbian relationship between the victim and the killer. The woman is dead and she can't even defend her own reputation anymore or dispute any attacks on her character. Whether or not she had any sort of relationship with these people is completely irrelevant anyway. They plotted and murdered her, most likely sexually assaulting her in the process. Everyone continues to make comments about the physical characteristics of these two killers, as if that proves anything at all. Just because someone is not physically appealing to the general population does not make them psycho killers or products of incest. There are lots of physically unattractive people all over the place, so it's ridiculous to link these ideas together. Some killers are unattractive and some are not....it means nothing. It's their warped and depraved minds and their shameless selfish desires that make them killers and you can't see that by looking at their physical bodies.
She had a nappy haired baby. That means she was effing a niggah. What more motive.
Allen, that ignorant remark is motive, too. May you get yours, you silky haired sick f*ck.
Second degree murder charges ??????? Who was the person that she left to help?Because if it was either one of these individuals they should be charged with premeditated first degree murder, no exceptions, no " I was mentally instable" plea. If it wasn't why would they prey on a woman, especially who had a small child with her, this poor boy watched as his mother disappeared into the night and will never return back to him. Hang the SOB that did this.
That thought truly made me start crying... People who think kids that young "dont remember" but they hold onto feelings. And his memory will always haunt him even though it may not make total sense. This is too sad.