Dear Al and Jesse,

Please let the court determine guilt. What you are promoting is vigalanteism and it is just as bad as your worst fears about Zimmerman killing Martin. I can't spell today, sorry.

Do we really want to start convicting people based on public opinion? Due process is there for a reason. It protects someones freedom from being based on a popularity contest. Honestly, all these people should be charged with tampering with a witness. How can Zimmerman ever get a fair trial? He can't, he's already been convicted by the people.

Look you all can buy into this rabble rousing but I was 19 in 1967 and I remember what that was like. I especially remember going to my front porch at 6:30am to get the paper finding myself facing a machine gun mounted on a jeep manned and pointed in my direction and a trooper telling me to get my butt back in the house. My city was under martial law for 3 days. Leaving your property made you subject to arrest. If you want those memories go to it. I've been there, I've done that and I don't need to do it again.

The BlueFlies are swarming in (Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton), and you can be sure more will come provided cameras are around.

Catchy phrase, "We want an arrest. Shot in the chest." Almost as good as the multi-million dollar one, "If it does not fit, you must aquit." There is somthing about a tribal chant that really brings it home.

saxon baby you haven't seen the VIDEO yet, hey???

sid - you are as ignorant as all the others who want to lynch Zimmerman without waiting for all the evidence to be released. That video is so grainy that it wouldn't be possible to see a six inch gash down the back of Zimmerman's head. In addition, he is looking toward the floor. It is nearly impossible to get a good view of his nose. Grow up and stop allowing the biased media and the likes of Al and Jesse to influence you. You are exactly what they want...ignorant people whom they can manipulate for their hidden agendas.



At a press conference before the march, Jealous and Sharpton denied media reports that Sharpton planned to call for an economic boycott of Sanford or the surrounding central Florida area, calling it a "media fabrication."

Who is "Jealous" or is this what they call a fruedian slip

Massive march? ...who made up that headline. Jesse and Al are a long way from Dr. King. And this is a long way from the massive marches in Selma. Don't you get it. You've won! The guy will be indicted. And the truth of what happened will come out. Oh I forgot. This isn't about Trayvon. It's about publicity. It's about making Jesse and Al feel important. It's about the news being able to get eyeballs to sell advertising. When the truth comes out I hope Jesse and Al will apologize (don't count on it) if this really was self defense as a result of actions by a young black male who decided to beat the crap out of a guy who was bothering him. There may well be a case for manslaughter by an over zealous wantabee cop who thought profiling was ok. But turning this into a premeditated hate crime and murder just raises the tensions between blacks and whites that can lead to unforeseen consequences...perhaps even additional deaths to innocents. If this occurs I hope the lawyers for these new victims, and I pray there aren't any, sue Al and Jesse for a hate crime as a result of their self-indulgent, irresponsible behaviors.

My Burst...I got it...Benjamin Jealous, President of the NAACP, In the Photo caption the call him "Benjamin Justice"

@carrm...Yea, I'd love nothing more than have my families loss exploited by these turd balls

The banner reads: "Justice for Treyvon".

If you want justice then wait for Zimmerman to be charged. Lynch mob mentality proves nothing. It's come to the point that Rev. Al and Jesse Jackson undermines the judicial system in this Nation of Ours.

Al and Jesse know better than to incite those that listen their revenge talk with-out a trial and conviction of Zimmerman.

Let Justice prevail by using the judicial system that WE have at hand.

Radical, yeah, notice that there are no white people in those pictures? Of course, black people will say that is because no white person cares (even though it was a white person that did the petition on change.org) There are no white people there because they don't want them to be there or the white people are smart enough to be scared to be there.

Demanding an arrest. That is a little too much at this point.

If the Story that was first published was true, then i would agree. After hearing the tapes and finding out that TM returned on his own free choice and then started to batter Zim, Zim had the right to defend himself with what ever means he had. So now we are going to start arresting everyone before we know the whole story. I think the procedure is don't leave town until we find out more. Putting hand cuffs on someone is standard procedure and does not say you are under arrest. Just mean you are detained and is more for the officers safety and to keep you put till they can work out the problem. If no problem, then they let you go.

all of you who are basing your findings of guilt on a granny video, taken about one hour later after the emt's treated zimmerman, are only looking at one piece of bad footage evidence; no testimony yet, on what the emt's found, what the evidence was found at the scene, where the fight occurred, the initial interview with homicide detectives, hospital report of when zimmerman went to the hospital later, photo's taken of zimmerman at the police station, DNA of the crime scene, interview with persons who heard the fight; lets all wait until all the evidence is in, before we convict or acquit; that is how the system works; I did it for almost 40 years, many times my initial impression was changed after all the evidence came in, do not be led by a lynch mob mentality, the Florida Bureau of Investigation is now doing the examination, they are real pro's, worked with them over the years, they know their job, wait and see, Justice is slow and delibrate !

My, how the tenor of the discussion has changed over time. I remember posting one or two things suggesting there was more to the story than the simple account originally presented, only to be called several inflammatory names. Now there are so many calls to let law enforcement take its course. Due process could not be more important in emotional cases like this.

Glad to see the Rotund Rev.'s Jackson and Sharpton getting some exercise !! I heard some of Rev. Jackson's speech and was pleased to hear him denounce ALL of the killings of young Black men, which are far more often at the hands of their Black peers than some overzealous cop or cop wannabe !!

As I said on a previous thread, I don't need any new information on Trayvon or video of George Zimmerman to believe something stinks in Sanford. I hope the spotlight on Sanford will result in some openings in the Sanford Police department, starting at the top, after the dust has cleared !! I also hope that George Zimmerman will soon get a chance to answer for his actions in a court of law, since Trayvon Martin will never have a chance to answer for his.

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are two of the most pathetic, racist, lying scummedia whores in this nation. Every time I see a picture of these two it turns my stomach.

You know, whether you agree with people judging before all the evidence is weighed, whether you think it was murder, manslaughter, or self defense, whether you hate Jackson and Sharpton, can any one of you not think that this case does deserve a fair and thorough investigation just as any other case does? This is what this is all about. If that had happened in the first place this wild speculation, the marches, and all the rest of the mess wouldn't be happening. Yes, there is racism that yes, does lead to some getting away with horrible crimes. I do think some have gotten totally carried away and need to just stop.

But I also remember the 60s, and I remember blacks being treated like crap and being shot. It was okay for people to shoot a black person and the police chatted with the shooter (if they weren't the ones that shot them) instead of arresting him. So if you wonder why people get so emotional about this case, it is NOT because a black boy was shot. I mean that is awful and yes, I know black teens die often, so who cares, right? Well, I care and many other people do too, and it's awful if someone gets shot no matter who it is, but when it seems that the police brush off proper procedures and appear to not investigate to make sure all witnesses are heard, all forensic evidence is gathered, and that it really was self defense, then you will have these results. Racism may be a bit more subtle now, but it is definitely around on all "sides" and does definitely affect law enforcement, sentences, and the treatment of suspects and victims. If you don't believe that you must be living under a rock, since it is common.

I do think that the point has been made and it is being investigated, so it is time to let the feds do their thing and see what happens, but those who say it has nothing to do with race and that the boy was a thug who caused it and that the case should be closed are no more reasonable than those who want to hang Z without a trial. I just hope no more people are hurt or killed because of the reactions on all sides. Sigh. This brings back horrible memories for many, many people, and I hate to say it, but expecting everyone who remembers to act totally reasonable....well, it probably isn't going to happen, unfortunately.

Kangaroo Court continues by the Left.

Unbelievable that some folks will try and push this to the limit WITHOUT a complete law enforcement investigation and resulting court case.

The ONLY reason for these "marches" is because Mr. Obama weighed in without knowing the facts either.

Where are all these folks when OTHER crimes similiar to this were committed throughout the country ?

The coverup only makes things worse.

Anyone associated with ALEC needs to go to jail. Might as well lock up all the members of the C Street "church" while we're at it. Once the prez gets reelected, it's clean up time.

I do foresee this law getting overturned in a lot of states.

If Al and Jesse would of wore their hoodies, would they qualify to be Obama's sons?

I have been following this story, yet been very reluctant to comment.

Saxon I am with you on this one . What many people fail to understand that once you press charges the clock starts ticking, As in a "Speedy Trail" That is why in so many cases it takes longer to submit the charges, till the DA's have a full investigation in hand and the charges will stand up in court. No DA likes to lose a case or have it thrown out for lack of evidence. Justice may seem slow many times, but till someone shows me something better then what we have now, I'll keep our for of judicial system. Still the best in the world and I am not saying it is flawless or doesn't make mistakes, but it is still the best one going .

The kid couldve walked to any house during the "chase" and gotten help. Instead he chose to ambush Zimmerman. Why would a scared 17 year old ambush the person chasing him with a gun? Probably because he wanted the gun. The gun would look great with his gold teeth and gangsta clothing. Oh you think Trayvon looks like the cute adorable 13 or 14 year old in the pictures you are all fed?

I bet $100 the kids motivation was to take Zimmerman's gun.

I watched an interview with the prosecutor and she stated that "she" would probably make the decision whether to prosecute Zimmy versus sending it to a grand jury. I feel that justice would be better served if the grand jury made the decision. Based on the public evidence--the SOB should be charged with 1st degree murder.

" where ya been, Jesse, finally got a cause to get your face back in the news? but ultimately it will not bring the young man back to his parents"... (1970's gypsy)..

I don't think that was his (their) intention gypsy.. Free publicity over-rides and hate tactics are universal.

My feelings lie with those who say this case should be investigated ... and not by the Sanford police. Of one point, there IS enough evidence ... that the initial response was terribly flawed.

No matter which side of the issue you argue ... there are points that are clear.

1. The gun should have been confiscated until an outcome was determined by more than the officer on site and to determine if he was lawfully allowed to have it (past record MIGHT come into play).

2. I have yet to see or hear of an autopsy report that describes the condition of Martin. Were there injuries to his hands that would have indicated a struggle? It was reported Zimmerman's nose was bleeding, was HIS blood mingled with Martin's? Blood testing can be done.

3. Since Zimmerman claimed to be attacked, why were there not pictures taken of HIS (alleged) injuries that night?

4. How does the verbal warning of dispatch for him not to follow Martin affect a self-defense plea?

All of these questions, and more, SHOULD have been part of the initial investigation. They were apparently not. That is why most people are upset. Since Martin had no voice, the only one believed was Zimmerman, evidence or not.

What hypocrite's, talk about vigilantism! what do you call that mob? Al and Jesse are the real vigilante's in this story and they should be arrested before they incite a riot, can't a judge put a gag order on those two mouthpieces, they are contaminating the case and causing discontent, they are disrupting commerce and instigating civil unrest, they are dragging the entire community into this and that is wrong. Martin did something stupid and got himself killed that is the real story. Trayvon got himself killed because he made a bad judgement call, you can't run around beating up on people, and that is what young people need to learn, there may be consequences for your actions that you may not be prepared to deal with. if one life is lost because of their actions I hope the law will come down on them for the trouble they are instigating and doing so with premeditation. they are nothing but agitators.

Arrest the guy, dont arrest the guy - i dont really care - but STOP with the non-stop coverage! I was sympathetic, and even a little upset. I simply dont care any more. I cant eat another bite of this crap and the media keeps trying shovel more and more down the throats of public. At this point, screw Tayvon - just stop reporting it when there is NOTHING NEW TO REPORT!

Beth,

Imagine this. Some 17 year old tries to rape you and in the struggle you manage to pull your gun and shoot the kid.

That night the police look at the facts and dont arrest you.

The next day the media wants your head because you shouldve used more restraint.

The next week the local DA pulls your case back up but determines the evidence doesnt warrant an arrest.

The media and local celebrities vilify you, even giving out your home address on Twitter.

And you come to this week and find out that another DA will be brought in to see if the first two groups did the right thing.

How many times would you like to be dragged through this system simply because you were attacked.

And I said it once and I will say it again, no kid being stalked by a man with a gun decides an ambush is the right way to go. The kid wanted the gun.

How can Zimmerman ever get a fair trial?

Maybe that's the intent of the media...create a firestorm to polarize the nation.

If there is a trial, the outcome will not sit well with either side, and in a country where guns are everywhere, heads will roll.

Martial law coming to a city near you?

Problem>Reaction>Solution?

This may be more than just two guys getting into an 'altercation'....and the way the media has been irresponsible in handling it, makes one wonder 'who's really running the show?'

There is no more evidence to get.

Oh really? So where's the bloodstains on Zimmerman? If he shot Trayvon at point blank back spatter from the gunshot should have soaked him. Why are there no reports corroborating that he was covered in blood?

And I said it once and I will say it again, no kid being stalked by a man with a gun decides an ambush is the right way to go. The kid wanted the gun.

If you ask me that sounds like the type of baseless conjecture that the pro-Zimmerman camp keeps preaching against.

Firstly, I'm all for a legitimate investigation into the matter and an arrest as warranted.

Secondly, now we get Al Sharpton moving back to his roots- puddin' stirrer. His call to "escolate" is pretty much the same MO he used that got a few people killed in NYC a while back. Similarly, he vilified the police for the Tawana Brawley case before it was found out to be a sham. Jessie- well what do you say about Jessie? Unless there's a check in it for him, he's not generally interested.

Now Rosanne Barr is tweeting Zimmerman's real address. So she wants some culpability if he gets "escolated" upon?

America Today - Anthony

Could you be more hyperbolic or outrageous? The rape you describe might actually be an action worthy of self defense. However, there was no indication that Trayvon Martin was a rapist. In fact, all of the evidence so far seems to indicate that he was prey. George Zimmerman decided, apparently solely on the basis of Martin's race and perhaps his hoodie, that he was one of those "@!$%#s who always get away." He became Zimmerman's target not because of anything that he did (like walk, or carry Skittles or iced tea) but because George Zimmerman made the irrational decision that he was someone who needed to be not watched, but confronted. A "reasonable person" would have watched. A "reasonable person" would have heeded the police dispatcher instructions not to follow. A reasonable person would have waited for police (which, by the way, arrived in a very few minutes). George Zimmerman did not act as a reasonable person. If he is ever arrested and goes to trial, as he should, he will present a defense that a "reasonable person" would have thought his life in danger and that lethal force was appropriate. Again, George Zimmerman was not acting as a "reasonable man" and he absolutely caused the unnecessary death of a juvenile.

I frequently wonder why so many people who have very little regard for justice and due process choose very patriotic-sounding screen names.

Beth -

The case was investigated. There was an autopsy done. There were witnesses that place Martin on top of Zimmermen attacking him. How do you know that other than the officer documenting Zimmerman's injuries there were no photos taken in the police station? The police turn over their investigation results to the prosecutor, not to the news media. The prosecutor determined that he couldn't make a conviction based on the evidence and didn't charge Zimmerman. After all of the uproar, a special prosecutor has been appointed to further investigate the matter. This is what Martin's supporters asked for. Other than to get publicity and/or to inspire racial discord, there is no need for the marches to continue.

Again, key point there were witnesses at the scene that say Martin attacked Zimmerman.

Just get ready.

If you think its a media circus now wait until the next DA determines that Zimmerman cant be arraigned.

Cities will burn.

It was my understanding that although no arrests were made, the case was still in progress. There was a technical word they used - can't think of it, but it meant at any time an arrest could be made.

The conversations I have heard between Zimmerman and the 911 person were vague. Like why did Martin pose such a worry? I mean even in gated community people do walk around? The 911 person didn't ask why the suspicion? She also is not the person to tell Zimmerman he cannot follow Martin. The 911 operator is not the law.

Look if nobody follows Martin or any other suspect, and instead wait until the police get there, the suspect would be long gone or done damage already. I do think just keep an close observation is best, and leave the confrontation to the police. I would do that even if I was carrying a gun.

Somebody on another site I think had the best perspective. Zimmerman went way out of his way to help people in need. Some, risking their lives, have stepped up to say this already. So he assisted virtual strangers more than most people ever would. He did the same thing with this "duty". He went way past what was deemed normal, or prudent when dealing with Martin. So Zimmerman may be a person very prone to not have boundaries. He is showing extreme behavior.

I have a neighbor that I think is just like him. Many would say my neighbor is a fantastic neighbor always looking out for everybody. So he is first to spy a car that doesn't belong, or a person trespassing and calling the police. He is extremely nosy I think, but many like that he sticks his nose everywhere. I don't like it because it is extreme behavior. Often guns are involved which is scary. He just doesn't have boundaries even when administering help. So let's say a tree falls down. He is first to come saw up the wood whether he was asked to or not. So I mean he is sawing up that tree on private property. If it snows deep, he is the first to start plowing everybody's driveway. See what I mean?

I think Zimmerman fancied himself the savior for good and against potential bad. He went too far and it may be true that Martin, a young teenager, decided to strike back because of Zimmerman's suggestions, or following him which sparked some rage.

All this go back to africa crap is so redundant,stupid and as played out as roller derby.Black people Live in this country, work in this counttry, serve in this country.We arent going anywhere. And by the way... white people dont have exclusive rights to live here in it.

Black people who live in this country,a country that we once we lived in as slaves,from the beggining were never treated fairly. were never allowed the same equal anything.No one with white skin will ever understand that,and many of you will never even try to empathize with it because your incapapable of that feeling of compassion,Hence the "go back to africa"comments whenever we have to demand equality. How dare we desire the same rights as you! What would you know what it is like to always be under the pressure of being "guilty" no matter what, simply because of our skin. no matter how well educated,or dressed ,or well spoken, or accomplished.Dont expect your brain to grasp what i am saying.

There are some basic facts in the trevon case that no matter what etnicity you belong to , that cant be disputed. 1. Trevon was a child. a 17 year old teenager. not perfect,and not a criminal. he had no criminal background.2. he had no weapon. 3. he was were he was suppose to be.He was not robbing anyone ,or killing anyone.4. he had no drugs in his system.and 5 he was pursued and shot and killed by someone who felt he looked suspicious based on him being a young black male.Those are the facts.

Who cares about some ugly little black wannabe gangster getting his ends? black people always do this stupid @!$%#. They didn't even care one bit about Treyvon when he was alive and now its some natinal uproar propogated by the media; namely, YOU MSNBC. No one cares about this but ou try so hard to make us care. Get on with your lives, I bet another ten ghetto looking black gangsters got shot since his death. Good riddance if you ask me.

Nobody's forcing you to click on the links, I would suggest going to another site that seems to be more in line with your preferences. Like Stormfront.

so very sick of it

When did the black community become Judge, Jury and Executioner? Did the white community protest and march when OJ got away with killing 2 white people? So tired of the Treyvon B.S.

I wasnt there and neither were Jesse, Al and the other activists. Let the system work, one way or the other. Does it always work correctly, NO. Obviously we learned that with OJ and Casey Anthony. But it is a great system. If you dont like our system, go back to Africa and live under their system of justice.

Uh--check history. Whites were the only ones allowed on juries for the first couple centuries of this country's existence. Hell, they would lynch a black man just for looking at a white woman. What planet is yours?

Someone want to tell me why this band of Negro Rebel Rousers are allowed to march down multiple main streets blocking traffic and raising racial aggressions is ok , and why our government seems to sanction this Protest without any police action. Why is it that as long as a negro is upset we all have to bow down and allow, If these guys were occupy wallstreet protestors wouldnt they be getting pepper sprayed and forcibly disbanded or arrested.? AMAZING, Hey Occupy Wall street I have a new strategy for you quit using harmless non violent WHITE college kids and hire a bunch of biased racially agressive Negro's and let them spread your message, cause the way i see it in america unless you use the BULL$HIT "OPPRESSED BLACK MAN" card, protesting is practically illegal in the U.S.A. (thanks patriot act).

Im so sick of this backwards racism I want to puke.

P.S. Al, Jesse, and the NAACP, why dont you try getting all the facts first and then complain, oh thats right because once all the facts are in your boy Trayvon might not shine like that little cute 13 year old black kid (that all the LYING pictures weve been fed) would lead us to believe.

Don,

Of course Trayvon isnt a rapist. It shouldve been obvious that I was making a statement about double triple or even more jeopardy. Beth stated she wanted this investigated again by a third party. I chose the rapist scenario to stir up the feelings associated with being dragged through our justice system over and over again because a mob demands it.

Lolfatty,

Baseless conjecture? You tell me why a "kid" chooses to ambush his supposed assailant when he is surrounded by homes, in a gated community, that he couldve sought help at. Is the thought that Trayvon not being the angel he has been painted as bother you so much? Is it such a stretch to think he may of wanted the gun?

If anything America needs to realize that her children are running rampant. America needs to teach their kids how to respond to this type of situation. At one time we had public service pieces on TV that taught kids what to do. Today we have bits about staying away from Meth.

Bring back the belt! Removing the paddle from schools was a big mistake. It would be like dismantling our entire nuke force and then wondering why China and Russia invade.

A deterrent is a deterrent.

If Trayvon was suspended from his school and living in the gated community because of a poor attitude why was their no supervision? You people let your kids run wild and then wonder why things like this happens.

Pathetic.

@Beth-440836:

Yours is one of the most cogent comments I have seen on here in weeks. The summation you presented encapsulates the major issue, which can be succinctly stated:

• Individuals such as the Martin family, and organizations such as the NAACP, are up in arms over the nearly immediate decision by law enforcement to not follow the standard investigative procedures during a shooting incident. In a rush to judgment (by law enforcement, NOT by the judicial system or even a grand jury to consider an indictment), the Sanford Police Department acted improperly.
• Proper investigative techniques employed by police should have considered a tox screen by drawing blood from Mr. Zimmerman, first and foremost. The presence of either alcohol or drugs could indicate an individual's psychological state at the time; further, his judgment of the situation at hand, or his actions, could have been clouded by those substances or even a completely legal, prescribed medication, such as Xanax, that could have been in his system.
• It is SOP to take photographs of the purported "victim," in this case, Mr. Zimmerman, to document evidence that he was indeed attacked. Even if he were deemed guiltless of a crime, on the spot, even Mr. Zimmerman should know that in efforts to fend off the zeal of litigious family members, documented photographic evidence of his "defensive wounds" and inflicted damage would be necessary in the very likely event of a civil suit later.

• Documentation from the medical examiner is critical, as well. Did Mr. Martin have bruised, bleeding, or split knuckles, indicating his purported "sucker punching" of Mr. Zimmerman? Were swabs and scrapings of Martin's fingernails performed to test if any of Mr. Zimmerman's DNA could be found, indicating "scratching" and other defensive gestures?

• What evidentiary procedures were put into place to contain, seal and test Mr. Martin's clothing to indicate if any of Mr. Zimmerman's blood were comingled with his? The presence of Zimmerman's blood would be a near certainty if he were bleeding profusely from cranial as well as nasal wounds. If they were indeed rolling around in the grass during a tussle, Zimmerman's blood should be all over him. Witnesses, and Zimmerman himself, stated on the record that Zimmerman was kneeling/standing over Martin at the time he shot him.

The people up in arms are simply clamoring for due process, not Zimmerman's head on a platter (though a lot of people on here are claiming that is what the peaceful protesters want).

Where was Martin's due process in all of this?

To Really

1. Zimmerman had a concealed weapons permit on him, as required.

However, there is question as to prior record/arrest might nullify the permit. Additionally, if a gun was used to kill someone, it should be taken in until the case is cleared anyway. That's common sense. If it is ruled self-defense, give it back.

2. The mortician found no evidence of a struggle on Martin. However, an eyewitness SAW Martin on top of Zimmerman struggling with him. The police report clearly states that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head.

That's a mortician, not a coroner. Generally speaking, morticians are not trained for forensics work. My point here, this should have been done in a formal autopsy. This could actually strengthen Zimmerman's case.

As to what eyewitnesses SEE, that's been proven over and over again to be unreliable (just ask the Innocence Project).

3. Apparently there is a medical report of his injuries taken by the paramedics who cleaned him up.

I still maintain it makes no sense if an attack were part of the case, then there were no photos taken. If there were, I would think that Zimmerman's attorney would at least allude to them in discussions over the video.

4. Because Zimmerman stated that he was returning to his SUV when he was attacked by Martin.

How do you know this? Because ZIMMERMAN said it. Again, Martin had no voice.

Taken along with the only witness who SAW the two men fighting and stated that it was Zimmerman crying for help, not Martin, it is unlikely that a jury would vote to acquit.

My entire point ... there should be an investigation because it was not handled correctly. Not who is guilty or not guilty, not my job. But you have really failed to answer the questions I had either.

And, btw, did you truly mean the last sentence you wrote?

To lolfattynerdswhoknew:what a stupid idiotic thing to say"'They didnt even care about Trevon when he was alive"'we didnt know who Trevon was before this stupid.DUH!!!! thought nerds were intelligent.And what kind of human being would think its ok for kids to be killed?

I think it was perfect storm culminating in the kids death. No fault and just a tragic accident. I think the kid was talking to his girlfriend and thought he'd try to show how cool he was by resisting this neighborhood crime watch guy. He did so, and it cost him his life because Zimmerman was carrying a gun and decided to defend himself. Period. Weapons are designed to prevent someone from attacking you. If there is a perceived threat you take down that threat. When you're carrying a weapon there is always the threat of the attacker getting that weapon from you. You kill that person. Period. And it is your right to kill that person. If the kid decided that night to talk to the guy and tell him his story then this wouldn't have happened. Instead he wanted to play the tough guy. The kid learned a lesson the hard-way. There is ALWAYS someone tougher than you.

Two british tourists shot dead by black man trying to rob them:

Baseless conjecture? You tell me why a "kid" chooses to ambush his supposed assailant when he is surrounded by homes, in a gated community, that he couldve sought help at. Is the thought that Trayvon not being the angel he has been painted as bother you so much? Is it such a stretch to think he may of wanted the gun?

I'm sorry, did I use too many big words? There's precisely zero evidence that Trayvon is the one who attacked first except for Zimmerman's say-so, and he's the one that has the biggest motivation to lie about events. But apparently you were there and saw everything right?

To lolfattynerdswhoknew:what a stupid idiotic thing to say"'They didnt even care about Trevon when he was alive"'we didnt know who Trevon was before this stupid.DUH!!!! thought nerds were intelligent.And what kind of human being would think its ok for kids to be killed?

Do you not understand how quotations work? Or are you just an idiot?

Glad to see most of the people here have some sense. We are all so sick of hearing about it. I think enough has been said to know the man was defending himself from the wanna be thug. So sick of hearing "oh poor us" because of a freaking skin color.

To beth440386; you were incorrect.The witness said it was a young kids voice screaming help!

It is clear there is still an enormous racial problem in America simmering just below the surface. It has now exploded again. We've seen it from the left continuing to call everyone against Obama's failed policies a "racist" (by that logic every black and hispanic person against Bush's failed policies was a racist too). We've seen it from the right excusing the LAPD for their manufacturing evidence in the OJ case (whether or not he was/is guilty of said murders will ultimately be judged in God's eyes, but his post-trial shenanigans and jail time for other offenses don't bode well for his character here on earth).

With that said, Al Sharpton has promoted racial divide, instigation, and civil racial anarchy in the streets with his call for an "escalation." What does that mean? Zimmerman is MIA and may even be out of the country at this point, possibly in Peru where his mother is from. If the man is too cowardly to come forward and hiding like a rat, there is nothing we can do about it. America as a whole is not racist, but there are racists in America - in all skin colors.

The amount of black on black violence goes all but ignored by the race instigators like Al & Jesse. If they honestly cared about crime against African-Americans, they'd address their own demons. But they won't. There's just no social combustion there, and the media sure won't trump that up any more than they report black on white killings. And then there are people like Spike Lee tweeting a wrong address of some elderly white people who are also now in hiding. And the New Black Panthers putting out a bounty dead or alive on him? Where is the accountability THERE? When was the last time you saw people protesting in New York City, Atlanta, Miami, Detroit, Chicago, and LA for black on black murders and tweeting their addresses and bounties and the media all too thrilled to throw fuel on the fire?

Make no mistake that Zimmerman needs to be found and brought to justice, starting with a questioning by law enforcement. Anyone who calls 911 something like 50 times as a self-appointed neighborhood "watchman" has issues and should have been confronted by law enforcement early on. The 911 dispatcher telling him to "back off" is damning as well. He had no business pursuing Trayvon. The local police department bungled this from start to finish, but the guy has gone under the radar now and there is really nothing more that society/law can do about it until he is found or turns himself in. Calling for social unrest on the borderline of riots is not what this nation is about. Everyone who believes in "innocent until proven guilty" would do justice themselves in reacting to what they preach.

History of Al Sharpton: In 1983 he was caught on tape discussing laundering drug money in a sting with an FBI informant. He championed the Jena Six, a group of black men who nearly beat a white teen, Justin Baker, to death, marginalizing their crime to incite racial hatred. He has incited riots and people have died as a result:

"Sharpton made his name and his fame as the one to lead a protest movement after every racially charged in New York over the last thirty years...Especially early in his career, he seemed content and even eager to inflame racial hatreds at the risk of violence, as long as it gave him publicity and power.

Several of these protests escalated to the point of violence, in several cases by those who Sharpton championed. Examples include the Crown Heights Riot of 1991 and a 1995 arson attack on a Jewish Harlem jeweler that resulted in 8 deaths.

...in 1987 black teenager Tawana Bradley claimed that six white law enforcement officers -- including then-assistant district attorney Steven Pagones -- had abducted and raped her, scrawled racial insluts on her body and smeared her with feces. Miss Brawley refused to speak with authorities or the media, but Sharpton and her two other advisors were soon making wild claims. Sharpton compared State Attorney General Robert Abrams, a Jew, to Adolph Hitler.

Within a year a grand jury announced the story was a hoax and specifically cleared Pagones and a police officer of the charges. Pagones sued Sharpton for more than $150 million for defamation."

http://www.realchange.org/sharpton.htm

As to the cries of racism and justice, where are they crying out for the victims of black thugs beating and killing white people and members of other races? This is being labeled a 'hate crime' and yet no attention is addressed to the black-on-white hate crimes, crimes far more numerous and essentially under-reported in the media.

http://www.balckracismandracehatred.blogspot.com/2012/03/15-cases-of-brutalracist-beatings-and.html

typo:

http://www.blackracismandracehatred.blogspot.com/2012/03/15-cases-of-brutalracist-beatings-and.html

I can see where both sides are coming from. Personally I believe Zimmerman SHOULD have been arrested, standing ones ground does not mean chasing after them even after being told by operators not to follow. But I question why this has turned into an unlawful killing into a racial case. The police didn't arrest him because he was white, they didn't arrest him because they believe it's the law that he should protect himself. These people who are posting addresses in a misguided attempt for justice are both encouraging vigilantism and even more anger and HALF of them aren't even giving the correct addresses. Tell me, if these men had been two black men, would Al and Jesse be marching? If it had been two white men, would Al and Jesse be marching?

Zimmerman shouldn't have had a gun, he had no business doing what he did and I feel terrible for the family of that poor kid, however this mass sensationalism is getting out of control. Black Panthers, Actors and Actresses, Al and Jesse, they don't have any business fanning the flames when you can damn well be sure if this hadn't been considered racial crime they wouldn't have paid attention. The police dropped the ball on this, and it's been brought to the attention of thousands of people, but to bring it to the point that regular people offer a bounty on him, and others post false addresses or put out information they have no business putting out, is something we need to take a step back from.

WWorthington(the fourth!),

Since when is yelling (or flamming) the way to make your point other then a child of 7?

Our President Obama, the constitutional law professor, has already prounced judgment in this matter and judgment from the President of The United States is based solely upon race.

lolfattynerdswhoknew ...(#1.46)..."Oh really? So where's the bloodstains on Zimmerman? If he shot Trayvon at point blank back spatter from the gunshot should have soaked him. Why are there no reports corroborating that he was covered in blood?"

Backsplatter ?? Soaked him ???......Too much CSI on TV or Video Games....The entrance wound from a 9mm is about 3/8 of an inch in diameter....I highly doubt blood would splatter back out of the little hole in the hoodie. If the bullet passed clean thru, it would leave about a 1 inch hole in the back of the hoodie, counting for the expansion of a hollow point.

Backsplatter ?? Soaked him ???......Too much CSI on TV or Video Games....The entrance wound from a 9mm is about 3/8 of an inch in diameter....I highly doubt blood would splatter back out of the little hole in the hoodie. If the bullet passed clean thru, it would leave about a 1 inch hole in the back of the hoodie, counting for the expansion of a hollow point.

High velocity at less than three feet? Zimmerman shouldn't be spotless if Trayvon really was on top of him when he fired.

Until all the Evidence is Presented in A Court of Law; Arrest, Trial, Conviction in the Court of Public Opinion is no different than the Salem Witch Trials.

Instead of weaselling out of Jury Duty, maybe if more of you did your Civic Duty you might learn something. Or if you want a Free (risk of being killed later) Law School Education become a US Military Officer and get a Certification in the Four Legal Authorities Over the US Military (UN International, Local, US Civil (and Felony Criminal), UCMJ)(tons of History as Legal Precedents).

Regardless of what your non factual personal opinions are there are established Rules. The question becomes if any of these Rules were violated or not by anyone or any side.

A very important Rule is Presumption of Guilt. This was Violated the First Time Martin's Parents went Public and is now reached a point that regardless of if Zimmerman did a something or not because he cannot get a "Fair And Just" Trial with an Unbiased Jury of His Peers he can be acquitted on that Technicality. By stating, "Murder", "Murderer", "Killer", "Killed" and not Alleged, Accused or Suspected is Evidence of Presumption of Guilt to gain sympathy in the Court of Public Opinion (Lynch Mob Psychology). Another real important Presumption of Guilt is demanding an Arrest and Conviction prior to the conclusion of the Investigations, Detention, Hearing, enough Evidence then issuance of an Arrest Warrant, then if guilty Conviction.

What this means is that if acquitted even on a Technicality, Zimmerman can Legally Go After those above that wrongfully accused him Publicly and get everything they have or will ever have (garnishments). And yes, that includes those that thru online petitions demanded his False Arrest and Conviction.

The Difference between Detention and Arrest. The Legal Precedents of False Arrest (US Taxpayer paid multiple Millions of Settlements).

Rules of Evidence and Procedures, don't laugh we have to Follow Rules of Evidence and Procedures here (Afghanistan) or get prosecuted by the hundreds of Civilian Lawyers sent here as part of President Obama's US Civilian Surge. If we cannot, "Prove Beyond A Reasonable Doubt" in a Court of Law, we have to let those "Accused" that shot at us go. In all Cases the "Burden of Proof" as part of the Rule of Law rests on the "Accuser" NOT the "Accused". as "Innocent Until Proven Guilty Beyond a Reasonable Doubt". By even having a minute (small) amount of Doubt, no detention, no charges, no warrant, no arrest, no conviction and acquittal.

There is also the problem with ANY evidence released before the conclusion of the Investigations. Rules of Evidence and "Tainted Evidence".

The idea that some Evidence is not admissable in a Homicide, is also wrong. As to why by Court Order ALL of both Zimmerman's and Martin's Records of everything must be made available. That does include the Sealed Juvenille Records of Martin, that the Law Enforcement cannot even admit they have until Court Orders are issued. These Records include and are not limited to School Records, Finanical Records, Medical and Dental Records, Law Enforcement Records including Internal Affairs, All Government Records, Social Services, Real Estate, Taxes, etc.. As soon as Martin's Parent said that attempts to smear their son's reputation were happening by releasing the reason for his suspension from school were released (Drugs), they cast doubt on themselves and their son, requiring further in depth investigations (who did he get the Drugs from, where did the money come from, did his parents know, were the drugs other than what they were (laced or cured with something more), video survelliance from where he bought the iced tea and skittles as his behavior, routes, etc..

Just as a personal opinion based on observation of Facts, Obese Zimmerman chasing after High School Football Player (trained for Physical Violence) Martin. Just visualize that. As far as 17 being a "Boy", "Innocent Child", etc., how about the whole KONY 2012 thing, as the Child Soldiers of Africa (firsthand experience at the Sudan).

Until all the Evidence is Presented in A Court of Law; Arrest, Trial, Conviction in the Court of Public Opinion is no different than the Salem Witch Trials.

Mygirl

So what youre saying is if you gave Sharpton and Jackson an enema, they would both end up 2 ft. tall.

lolfattynerdswhoknew....(#1.79)....." Zimmerman shouldn't be spotless if Trayvon really was on top of him when he fired."

Nobody said "spotless".....You said "soaked"......The Police cuffed Zimmerman, took him into custody for questioning, took his gun and also took the clothes he was wearing. I don't know if they returned his gun to him.

You people really like to hold on to false pretenses don't you. First off just because someone is shot does not mean that blood will come gushing out soaking someone immediately. The rate that a bullet travels out of a pistol does not start to diminish until its several hundred yards away or more. Second when shot with a small caliber bullet like a 9mm the bullet hole and exit wound (if any) will be very small and not result in the splattering and intense bleeding you people think. I blame Hollywood for this. The other main aspect that people around here seem to hold on to hard is that there was no visual evidence of damage to Zimmerman's face. It specifically states that the wound was on the BACK of his head and not visible in the pictures that have been leaked. A broken nose would not be visible either only 4 hours after the event. Also it has been clearly stated by witnesses that Zimmerman was on his back. I guess none of you have seen fights where people get pounded on while on the ground. The blood flows on the quickest path to the ground thanks to our friend gravity so the majority of the blood would have most likely have poured down across his face and not his clothes.

All evidence that has been leaked/presented in this case point to Zimmerman being acquitted of this crime at present. Especially with the stand your ground law. Any intelligent individual should be able to see this. Lets see where it goes from here and not reach any false conclusions.

Nobody said "spotless".....You said "soaked"......The Police cuffed Zimmerman, took him into custody for questioning, took his gun and also took the clothes he was wearing. I don't know if they returned his gun to him.

So you're nitpicking over semantics?

Once again: no one cared nor cares about treyvon. THIS IS ALL A PUBLICITY STUNT manufactured by the media to insite racial hated IN ORDER TO DRIVE UP THEIR RATINGS.

This has nothing to do with justice you lemmings! Its the ultimate beautiful expression of divisive rhetoric in action. Long live King Obama!

The most foodstamps and welfare money spent in one city in one day ever in history. Wonder what percentage of the people there have criminal records, warrants, and are living in subsidized housing. If they put that much energy into working at a real job instead of trying to rap and sell drugs they would not have time to protest. Why are they not in Chicago protesting the BLACK on BLACK killings that are happening everyday?

About 2 weeks ago in Sh8tcago Ill. There were 13 or so killed in a weekend. Everyone from a REAL child to mostly twenty somethings. Lots more injured. These were mainly gang related shootings. Why didn't we hear about these. Where are the Sharptons and Jacksons of the world protesting gangbangers. The most gun regulated city in the U.S. and all we hear is murder by blacks on blacks.

It is alright to pick your fight but don't blame anyone but yourselves when no one care anymore. GIVE IT UP.

Exactly flexmind. I wonder how many people of any color have been murdered by blacks since Treyvon Martin. Oh I know, we're not supposed to ask that question. I make us racist.

America Today Anothony-"I didn't know the 21st Century method was to take a rock&bash the pedophiles head in".Sir,I know not where YOU live,but in my neighborhood,if a kid sees someone leering or following them,that is EXACTLY what they do,repeatedly until backup via Parents&Police can arrive.Our kids always travel in groups so as not to be alone&we don't allow younger ones out of the yard unless escorted.They have been instructed to do whatever it takes to get away safely from a"Stranger" including calling 911.This method has resulted in our neighborhood that used to have 10 of the creeps in a 3 mile square radius to ZERO in less than a year.That was over 10 years ago&NONE dare prowl here anymore,let alone move in here.Word gets around fast in their creepo world.As one Officer put it"They're afraid of getting killed the second they walk in there&that's not even the Parents,so they decide to troll elsewhere,keep up the good work!".Works well here,maybe you should try it where you are?

A truth of this issue is that those in control, are using pawns like that Albert Hall Blue Lodge wanna be Freemason pawn Jesse Jackson and his Company by pushing the race card to make $$, and thats why this is a media storm. Worse things happen everyday that go unnoticed...They do not care about either Martin or Zimmerman at all. Just as long as they have a platform to push the proverbial RACE card they have the only reason they need to start ripping the USA apart , they will continue to use all you stupid sheeple out there to do just that... wake up.

LN -- As a neighborhood watch volunteer, that not his job! He called 911. Great. They told him not to follow. What does he do? Follow! What happens? The obvious: a confrontation. All he had to do was wait for the real cops to arrive and let them do their jobs, then there would have been no need for him to "defend" himself against anything or anyone.

When you are in possession of a gun; You are in control. You should use ALL of your common sense to AVOID any situation that could possibly put you in the position of having to use that weapon. At least that is what common sense would tell you. UNLESS you are power hunger, angry and out of control; you avoid trouble!

Oh, thank you KMB for some common sense!

your posts make no sense.so you know zimmerman was power hungry and out of control. have you ever had to defend yourself while being beaten possibly to death? didn't think so.

Roy, I never said Trayvon was an angel. As more info comes out, it appears he was anything but an angel. However, as more info comes out about Zimmerman (his arrest record, the video of him at the police station, etc.), it appears he has a few problems, too.

All I'm saying is that I believe the man should've been arrested -- I still believe he should be arrested -- and that this should be settled in a court of law.

And I'm also saying that I believe Sharpton and Jackson and the "New" Black Panthers need to keep the hell out of it because they're only getting involved for their own selfish reasons and agendas.

Actually, I don't even believe Zimmerman's action has to do anything with racial profiling. He is a nobody who probably romanticizes about being a hero, otherwise why on Earth he would move around with a loaded gun in an HOA? Now the media says that the victim attacked Zimmerman. Isn't it well known that the best defense is an offense? Trayvon was afraid of being followed and said so to his girlfriend on the phone so instead of being attacked (as he may have thought), he attacked first. It's still not a reason to be shot. If this idiot Zimmerman just followed the dispatcher's instructions, we wouldn't be facing a national up-rise right now.

He should have been arrested and the investigation done correctly in the first place. Not "after" people spoke out. As to Al. Yeah I think most folk see him as only doing these things to try to be Martin. He will never be that because he seems anti white where as Martin was just wanting equal rights. Big difference.
All I know is this guy should be in jail right now. So many others are in jail until trial that have done less. Why not him? Does he have a rich parent or someone backing him in politics? Now that would be more to the story!

RTB, why should ANYONE have to explain ANYTHING to a complete stranger -- a civilian, mind you, not a cop in uniform or even undercover w/a badge -- who approaches you?? You're just assuming that Zimmerman even asked Martin anything, and you're also assuming that Zimmerman waited for an explanation.

Do you think Zimmerman could actually see the gold teeth on a dark, rainy night from the distance of his car? Or do you think Zimmerman somehow "channelled" Martin's Facebook page?? And so what if Martin is wearing a hoodie (it was raining) or had gold teeth? Since when is that against the law? I have 2 gold caps on my molars from root canals. Does that mean Zimmerman would have had the right to kill me if I was walking by myself in his neighborhood and he thought I -- an older white woman with 2 gold teeth -- looked suspicious??

Jeez!! All I said was Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were a couple of jerks who should stay out of this whole thing and that Zimmerman should've been arrested!!

Dress like a gang member, rtb-780938??? Seriously? It was raining. It put his hood up. You really should get your info from less biased sources. GZ stalked this kid. He was instructed to back off and didn't. He had no authority to question him, let alone follow him. Trayvon had no obligation to explain himself, and every right to defend himself if HE felt threatened, just as you or I would.

Zimmerman violated every protocol that neighborhood watch uses. All you do is watch!!. You don't carry a loaded gun, you don't chase people and confront them, all you do is watch and report. Zimmerman precipitated this entire situation and the outcome. At any time he followed the directives of neighborhood watch Trayvon would be alive and no harm would have come to anyone! Whatever else Zimmerman is guilty of, he is certainly guilty not following the rules that govern the conduct of neighborhood watch volunteers.

...we wouldn't be facing a national up-rise right now.

kisboros - you hit the nail on its head. Al, Jesse, the NAACP, et al., need to realize that they can't mandate that someone be arrested by staging marches for which they import people from out of state. Why don't they use the money that was spent on importing marchers to do some good, perhaps donating to a youth center named after Trayvon? Instead, they are so focused on enhancing their own images that they will do anything to foment controversy. You can rest assured that if Trayvon were white and Zimmerman black, none of these jokers would be getting involved.

Everyone seems to have forgotten that the "Stand Your Ground" law was enacted after a major hurricane to give people the right to defend their property and life, if need be, from looters. Perhaps it never would have been enacted if looters didn't assume that the misfortune of others gives them a right to confiscate property that does not belong to them.

Ms Wilberforce at this point nobody cares about justice anymore all they want is vengence. Just like the riot after the Rodney King trial. Google the news coverage on that. A young white father was pulled from his car and beaten by a mob in front of his wife and children and it was broadcast natiowide on the evening news. Justice isn't what anyone wants anymore vengence is.

lonereb, I remember the Rodney King aftermath very well, and what happened during the riots and especially to Reginald Denny -- see? I still remember his name after all these years -- was beyond brutal and a travesty. And I agree that by now it's more about vengeance than justice.

But since I never imagined that my comment would create so much hullabaloo, you know what I'm going to do right now?

Go watch Animal Planet and too cute puppies and kittens who, thankfully, cannot speak or type! :D

Kisboros,

If this idiot Zimmerman just followed the dispatcher's instructions, we wouldn't be facing a national up-rise right now.

You are wrong, If all these Racists, weren't getting national attention there wouldn't be a national uprising. Seriously, a Black organization puts a $10,000 bounty on his head, and YOU tolerate that? That is racist in itself. Obama uses this for political gain , and you excuse HIS racism?

All thats goi8ng on is the Black KKK is in full swing and FULLY ENDORSED like people like you.

Mrs. Wilberforce uses the "but for" test in finding "But for" Zimmerman's action Trayvon would still be alive. I say this is a tragic incident which could have been prevented at many levels, in both communities. However, I can not judge the merits on facts I do not know about what occured between Trayvon and Zimmerman. What fact I do know is that "but for" Trayvon's behavior in school he would not have been put in this situation, that is fact. If I could use this tragedy to teach any young person a thing, it would be - do what you are supposed to do, pay attention in school, follow the rules, obey your parents and teachers. It's a dangerous world and School is where he belonged and, "but for" his behavior, where he would have been instead of in Sanford where he died.

The media has adverising to sell. They keep us tuned in with pictures of a young Trayvon and mugshots of Zimmerman. Stir the pot sell more soap is their motto. The truth may never be known but it did not have to happen, that is clear. The community watch should never had Zimmerman "on watch" armed. He should have obeyed the police dispatcher and not left his vehicle. Perhaps possession of the gun gave him "nerve" to follow a "suspicious" person on foot.

Nevertheless, Trayvon had no business in Sanford. He belonged in Miami in class. Where he would have been if he wasn't on his third suspension since October. Someone, presumably a parent, pastor or the school should have intervened by now to help put him on a different path. Instead he is dead and Pastors and his parents cry for justice. Where were they while he was deciding to spray paint profanity on school lockers, where were they when he was filling his school bag with women's gold jewelry and burglary tools, where they when the marijuana was put in his backpack, where they when he was portraying himself as a thug on facebook ? This behavior should have sent alarm bells off. The entire world hears them now but why didn't Trayvon hear from them when he needed guidance and nurturing ?

When you are in possession of a gun; You are in control. You should use ALL of your common sense to AVOID any situation that could possibly put you in the position of having to use that weapon. At least that is what common sense would tell you. UNLESS you are power hunger, angry and out of control; you avoid trouble

UNLESS you're jumped by a tough boy who got something to prove.

Then you get to take a lot @!$%# for handing him his ass on a platter or as the wanna-be tough boys so eloquently phrase it, 'cap his ass'.

Darwinism at work.

Case closed.

Radical1

All Obama wants this to do is take your mind off of high gas prices. Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Where is the justice for the confirmed 9600 blacks killed by blacks last year and the fact that 75% of the criminals behind bars are blacks while they only constitute 18% of the U.S. population.

Blacks have the same intelligence as whites. Urban Prep Charter Academy in an Illinois ghetto sends 100% of it black high school graduating senior class to 4 year universities.

It is the blacks that get themselves in trouble. The Japanese lost everything in WWII internment camps and the Chinese were treated as slaves for hundreds of years. Both have been model citizens.

Under Obama 60% of black children live with one guardian and less than 40% of families have two parents. The numbers have fallen drastically in the last three years.

It is Jesse Jackson who said the following: "There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved."

Over 90% of black crime is caused by blacks. The blacks have to learn to be model citizens and behave as competent U.S. citizens.

tibiaornottibia Rush is now a showman who makes millions of dollars a year and is probably a billionaire! How much are you worth. If you SHUT UP and listen, you will learn things from Rush as I have learned a lot from this leftist liberal lost cause racist Msnbc.com.

The blacks can be become a valuable contribution to society or they can continue to be a negative factor and continue causing bad race relations. Only the blacks are raising their children poorly and make up 75% of the prison population and have the lowest earnings per person. They did this to themselves. If they want to have a bad reputation, no Latino, no white, no Jew, no Japanese and no Chinese put them in the social position they are.

When you think that Japanese were rounded up like cattle after Pearl Harbor, lost their homes, businesses and every thing they owned and fought their way back to be model citizens,

I ask all you blacks why you can't do it. Japanese stand out like sore thumbs! Hassadic Jews are mocked daily on the streets. Chinese in a lot of areas are looked at second class citizens and they all play an important part in the U.S. community. Why are not blacks learning from MLK and Jesse Jackson?

Why are blacks sheep who vote always 96% of the time democratic when the democrats do nothing for them!

23-24 states have these laws. A friend was a manager of a liquor store at night and he had a loaded .45 behind the counter. Twice in one week he was held up. Twice he killed the robber.

The police said "GOOD JOB!" Florida has one of the highest crime rates in the U.S. and the east coast is terrible. Only with violent force can these criminals be tamed. In California, there was an interview with some gang members. They said they were never going to get older than 35.

Where is the black leadership teaching the blacks to be model parents, have the children go to school, stop being criminals, learn to talk right, dress right and behave themselves. All these marches and meetings with Obama is fueling race tensions and making people buy more guns to protect themselves. But then you are all too wound up thinking you are Gods in your minds to absorb the facts, statistics and ideas.

Those people marching and asking for justice are asking that Zimmerman be arrested and convicted. They aren't asked for the truth, whatever it is, but revenge because the street says Zimmerman is guilty.

What is so very sad is that this is exactly the behavior that whites did to blacks without blinking an eye so many years ago. A black man in a white neighborhood and something goes wrong, and he is found guilty and hung or sent to prison never to be seen again. Nobody denies that even today there is prejudice on both sides. It is nuts to assume that bias is only carried by white people. It just isn't so.

Here is an interesting stat that should instead be a big concern for the black community. Within all minority groups, it is Hispanics that start small businesses by a nice lead, with Asians next with blacks barely registering. So after all this time, they aren't being employed, and they aren't staying in school, and they aren't starting businesses when they can't get a job. Keep in mind that most of these businesses are 1 man operations, meaning they are employing themselves. So a Hispanic can't get employed, but they can go out and start a lawn care service and begin mowing lawns. I know many that have done done this. How about buying a truck and serving food on a corner or at a ballpark such as a few Mexicans I have known. Think about this.

your boy sharpton.

Zimmerman is a cop beater and a woman beater. He's also a deadbeat who refuses to pay his credit card bills. People should be ashamed to stick up for him. It's obvious who was the criminal - Zimmerman.

But for Zimmerman's own actions Trayvon Martin would still be alive.

Yep, other than the inconvient matter of Martin's assault on Zimmerman. I really really doubt that if Martin hadn't attacked and started beating Zimmerman, that Zimmerman would have had to use leathal force to save his left.

Martin seems to be far from the angelic "son of Obama" that the media have been portraying. Just saw the People Magazine Article of the Martin shooting. Funny, they didnt' include the photo Martin choose to use on his Tweeter account.

Do any of you even know his Tweeter hashtag or have read any of his tweets? Have any of you read the police reports? How many of you even know there was an eyewitness who obseved the assault. Funny that this wasn't reported for over a week by the Main Stream Media.

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I think the neighborhood watch has lost credibility, anyone from neighborhood watch approach me, Imma go off. Self defence?

Looks to me like an old time vigilante hang 'em high and someone has a noose ready. Where is the noose for the other 9600 black men this year who deliberately murdered other blacks?

Mrs Wilberforce - with all due respect, there appears to be no proof that he did not listen to the police.

I haven't seen anyone discuss this, but can you explain how a 160 lb "kid" can get a 240 lb man on the ground and on top of him without surprising him?

I think the other thing that is lost is that Zimmerman had acted appropriately on at least 2 other occasions leading to the arrest and conviction of criminals.

Both of these people made bad decisions and that equals 1 dead man. If there is enough evidence to convict Zimmerman he will be arrested and tried, convicted, and punished. Until then, it is silly to offer rewards for the capture of people (actually is a federal crime), or break other laws to make a point that may not even be true.

When was there last a rally for a white man murdered by a black man, and the parents of the white child were invited into the white house and MSNBC.com gave it so much coverage. MSNBC.com is becoming an extremely racist internet site. But as long as the big shots make money and are part of the 1% what do they care!

dictionary-72

I remember when Bill Cosby came out and was giving the young black youth encouragement to be a better role model and don't dress in the baggie jeans and don't have un wed babies. His own culture (African-American) turned on him and called him an "Uncle Tom" for doing so.

Blazin' fool You understand it completely! The blacks don't want to integrate with the U.S. society. Now there is a famous school, I donated money to, called Urban Prep Charter Academy, which only accepts black students from the ghettos for the last two years every graduating senior has been accepted to an accredited 4 year university! It is the black leaders who are holding down the black society!!!!!

Look what can be done and look at Sharpton, Obama and the rest, they don't want the blacks to succeed! Then they don't have issues and racism to lead their war charges!

The underlying reason behind the marches in Sanford and outrage from people around the world in this case is because of the racial profiling that continues to take place daily in the US and other parts of the world. For those who attempt to debate why there's such a disproportionate number of young African American males in the prison system look no further than the government, state and local law enforcement agencies. What started as the drug war in the 1980's has never been about rooting out the drug kingpins or violent offenders, instead people of color mainly young black youth have been rounded up en-masse and jailed for possession and other low level crimes. Ironically white youth have approximately three times the numbered of drug-related visits to the emergency room as their African American counterparts but blacks are arrested at a much higher rate. Why? Because of racial profiling which is creating a giant racial under caste system in the US.

Michelle Alexander details this drug war nightmare in her book "The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness".

This dialog should have happened across the US a long time ago as racial profiling of black males has been going on for decades unchecked. Trayvon Martin's death and the lack of action by the Sanford PD to investigate his death is a prime example of this ongoing injustice within the system.

Al Sharpton, Spike Lee and the Black Panthers all need to be arrested for the actions! Al Sharpton needs to be fired so email MSNBC and tell them you demand he be fired for inciting riots!

email: mediainquiries@msnbc.com

while your at it write your congressman and demand that these three be held accountable for any damage or harm comes from their actions.

Mtg303 Let me repeat what you missed. This is from Jesse Jackson a famous black civil rights leader who has his finger on the pulse. He is as black as Obama and Martin so no racism here. Quite evidently you cannot understand the points I am making. Anyhow here are the exact words of Jesse Jackson:

"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved."

He is afraid of blacks. If any woman or a white man is walking down a street and four black boys come your way, you are going to cross the street!

Blacks have to understand that just having a baby and putting a weird or unusual name on a child does not terminate their responsibilities as a parent. It took me 25 years to be a parent to my daughter through college and almost 30 years to be a parent to my son and set him up in business.

You are not going to pull that old chestnut on me about racial profiling!!! I lived in Florida and we had a black man who came and took care of the yard when my father went away and I had many people who were dark who I never thought any different of because of their skin college. There is racial profiling now because of the terrible behavior of the blacks. 75% of the jailed population is black. I believe it was MLK who cried that 3 out of 4 black men by the time they are 35 are in jail, have been in jail or are out on parole. Those are appalling statistics. You get Al Sharpton not being ashamed about that Brawley incident, proud that he is an apologist for the blacks.

Name me one Irishman, one Japanese, One Chinese, One Native American who has such a terrible record! The man is an insult to the human race.

You must be quite unintelligent and blind. There is racial profiling every second. In Mexico, every tourist is a target! There is a bullseye on every back! They will steal every thing. I just paid $18.00 for a chip for a printer cartridge that the man paid .50 cents for! In Japan don't bother showing up late 5 minutes for a meeting, you are out. Australia is the most racist country on earth and there are absolutely no illegals. They love to rat out anyone, especially foreigners for any reason. They even refused to take the islanders who island is sinking. They have a special satellite that tracks all boats and then the navy takes the boat with refugees to a certain country and 99% are not admitted.

You really have to educate yourself on the effects of marijuana on DNA and brain cells, work ethic and how other drugs affect the human body. Too many blacks are on drugs and they will not get the good jobs. You want black children to take drugs and not get good jobs?????? Great for you!

I can see you going to G.M. demanding to get the first car built on all drugged assembly line. Nobody should use drugs. You want blacks to better themselves you get them off drugs and get them into good schools based on Urban Prep. Obama and Sharpton are too stupid to send a committee there and institute those processes in public schools.

I had a horrible pain in my stomach at 3 am and I thought I bust something and went to the local hospital located in a bad section of a neighboring town. There was triage so I had to wait while knifing, gun shot and accident victims came in and I sat watching t.v. peacefully waiting my turn. In comes this black "child" and immediately goes to the t.v. and without asking permission changes the channel. GREAT MANNERS! WONDERFUL PERSONALITY! So I get up and put back what I was watching. The f***ing bastard pulls a knife on me. I am 60 and he was 16-20 and the cop comes out and takes away the knife and puts him under arrest. Nice eh????? Racial profiling right? He pulls a knife because I was waiting my turn and watching tv. And you ask me why the black bast**d was arrested? Attempted murder! This is the way they act! No consideration, no politeness, no necessity but way willing to cause harm for any reason what soever.

You want blacks to use drugs and you want to read black apologists go ahead. I am going to die soon and I am moving where there is .8% blacks and having guns in my night table and in my car.

And yes I had to use guns in other countries and I have killed people.

The blacks want dialogue, learn manners, learn correct child rearing, use birth control, learn to control their bodies, learn to be polite considerate, educated and show respect for other people. Don't copy mannerism and gangster behavior and dress because it is cool

By the way, in Urban Prep Charter Academy, there is a no 2nd chance honor system. All the young men have to wear a jacket, tie, black shoes and have their hear cut close.

Al Sharpton claims to be a minister and as such his salary is tax free. I wonder how the IRS feels about him taking a paying job on MSNBC.COM?

"He should have been arrested."

"He was arrested. He was taken, in handcuffs, to the police station. That is an arrest. He just wasn't charged, so they had to release him."

[fingers in ears] "He should have been arrested."

"I already told you. He was arrested. But they can't hold him forever without charge."

"LA LA LA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU. HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ARRESTED."

I am getting a little tired of hearing people say that he should have been arrested when the fact is that he was arrested. People say they want an arrest. But they don't. The arrest already occurred. If that's all the people wanted, they would be sated. What they want is a lynching.

Dictionary:

The blacks don't want to integrate with the U.S. society.

I mostly disagree. Most black people want to integrate with the U.S. society and, in fact, do. A smaller number (that are good at getting in the news) find it more convenient to stir up racial tensions and pretend that they are being continually held back, when they only hold themselves back for the purpose of the show.

WATCH ZIMMERMAN contaminate his jacket. He says he was on concrete sidewalk being pounded on. Watch police video,view from camera in front of squad looking to back of car. when cop puts something in trunk and walks away, cops not watching him, for a split second Zimmerman takes on step back and rubs his back on wall, leans against it takes feet forward to push his back against wall and maybe strikes head against wall. Officer tells him to come, Zimmerman pushes of wall. Wall however is painted white, but jacket will look scuffed instead from sidewalk.1 1/2 seconds to do it. I tried reporting this! SOMEONE REPORT THIS!!!!!!!

Dictionary:

Nobody should use drugs.

Okay, I don't think you thought that statement through. Did you know that alcohol, caffiene, aspirin, and NyQuil (sorry about the brand name) are all drugs? Have you ever seen an office when they run out of coffee? It's not a pretty picture. It's also not allowed to last very long. Prohibition didn't last very long because it attempted to take away the leadership's recreational drug of choice. The rest of it is just a double-standard.

Pvblivs It is impossible to have a coherent conversation with you. If Sharpton was removed and not charged he was detained. If he was charged with something he would have been arrested.

If a policeman stops your car an tells you to get out and puts handcuffs on you, you are detained. If he takes you to jail and fills out documents for some illegal action you may have committed then you are arrested.

So you are not familiar with the English language and abusing your right to make a coherent comment.

Most definitely they don't want to integrate. Look at the media. Are they letting the legal system carry out the laws of the land and allow the process to continue? Are 75% of the incarcerated people in jails black? Are blacks killing 94% of their own people? Are blacks as the other person yelled and screamed about tremendously abusing illegal substances? Are blacks making the right decisions about education?

Of course not. Martin was suspended for a month. Tell me how his school grades were going to be affected by him being out of school for a month. He wa not going to make up the work! He was not going to college! He was going out on the street!

If Blacks want to integrate with the U.S. society then tell me why 3 out of 4 black men before they are 35 are in jail, have been in jail or are out on parole. You don't integrate into a society by being a criminal.

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are nothing more than hateful racist pigs. They do not help black people.

I see Martin's mother has released another sweet little innocent boy picture of her son. How old is this one?

How much money is she making off this rally? Let's see, she has how many attorneys now, a PR rep and an agent. Nice, just real nice.

Pvblivs You did not finish high school did you? The statement you made "I don't think.." means you are incapable of thinking. You mean to say in place of "I don't think...." "I think.....or I believe." People judge you by how you speak and write. You are not doing a good job writing.

People who are not serious in commenting are a$$holes.

Prohibition was giving into a psychological need. Pick up a book on medicine which will adequately explain to you how different chemical substances affect different areas of the brain and why. Fantastically interesting but you will get bored after the introduction. Besides you don't have the vocabulary or intelligence to understand the mapping of the U.S. brain and what centers are affected and what are the effects and after affects of drugs.

You are really pitiful in your lame attempts to hold an intelligent conversation.

jac-931625 Did you expect anything different? I am waiting for the investigation to end and the fallout on these people.

Remember that stupid flake Fluke and her $3000 for birth control. Didn't it strike you as strange the story died so quickly? 15 minutes from Georgetown Law School is a Planned Parenthood clinic. I called them up and birth control for three years costs $96.00 and an initial $25 consultation. The woman gets a contraceptive shot every 3 months that costs 8 dollars. The fake story on the lesbian friend would have been handled there and the cyst on the ovary too at minimal expense. A letter was sent to every member of congress and oops............. Obama looked like an A$$hole for believing her.

dictionary72 - it's too bad that you're going to die soon but you won't be missed here. You're the one that's a confused uninformed racist bigot. After the 100 year old system of peonage ended in the US just a few years later we were on to "the war on drugs" incarcerating young black males at disproportionate rate for the same crimes of their white counterparts. You do realize that the system of peonage created a whole mindset that justified the future racial profiling of African American males? Of course your kind would just as soon deny that it ever happened or that it wouldn't affect future generations or create a racial under caste system in the US. Did you even read or research Michelle Alexander's book "The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness"? Or the article

There have been massive racial injustices done in the US with regards to incarcerating African American males and their sentencing in the courts of law. Of course you would deny that because you're ready to die anyway and your head is stuck in the sand - still doesn't make it untrue.

The events of the evening are against Zimmerman and his story. First, Zimmerman was told by a dispatcher that he did not need to follow Martin after Zimmerman reported the boy was running away from him. The fact that there was an altercation shortly after that conversation indicates that Zimmerman did not heed the dispatcher's advice and continued to follow Martin. Furthermore, a girl to whom Martin was speaking on his cell phone as this was happening said Martin told her he was being followed by a strange man who accosted him on the street. When Martin asked the man why he was following him, Zimmerman did not identify himself except to demand that Martin explain what he was doing there. The girl reported the sound of pushing and shoving before the phone went dead.

So Zimmerman caught up to the boy against the advice of the police dispatcher, he did not identify himself as a neighborhood watch citizen, and he got into a pushing match with a frightened boy whom he wound up shooting to death. Never mind the racist remarks made by Zimmerman or the unfounded speculation that the boy was on drugs as he was walking home with nothing more than a pocketful of skittles. Zimmerman shot an unarmed boy without clear justification.

As far as the prosecution of this case is concerned, the Stand Your Ground statute of Florida does not apply because Zimmerman opted to follow Martin, thus changing the nature of Zimmerman's defense. In fact, because it was Martin who was confronted by Zimmerman, many legal experts believe it would have been Travon who would be covered by the Stand Your Ground law, thereby taking away Zimmerman's immunity in a self-defense case.

Zimmerman will be facing serious charges soon, and it is well he should.

The article

Dictionary:

Your screen name is ironic. You should consult one. Anyway, using "www (dot) dictionary (dot) com" as a reference:

ar·rest

   /əˈrɛst/ Show Spelled[uh-rest] Show IPA

verb (used with object)

1.
to seize (a person) by legal authority or warrant; take into custody: The police arrested the burglar.

It would appear that the dictionary agrees with my use of the word arrest. Perhaps I'm not the one causing difficulty with coherent conversation. Zimmerman was seized by legal authority and he was taken into custody. He was arrested. By the way, that's "legal authority or warrant"; they don't both have to apply.

Are 75% of the incarcerated people in jails black?

This reminds me of the old saying "figures don't lie; but liars can figure." Most of the people in jail may be black; but most people who are black are not in jail. If remains my contention that most black people want to integrate and do so.

Are blacks as the other person yelled and screamed about tremendously abusing illegal substances?

I see that you switched from "drugs" to "illegal substances." It doesn't really help. The legislators make their recreational drugs of choice legal and outlaw the ones of their critics. I see an abuse of power there.

Of course not. Martin was suspended for a month. Tell me how his school grades were going to be affected by him being out of school for a month. He wa not going to make up the work! He was not going to college! He was going out on the street!

I already agree that Martin was a "bad apple." I just don't consider him representative. Furthermore, the fact that Sharpton needed to import "marchers" shows that he is not really representative either.

Mtg303 I got startling news for you! You are going to die too! You were born to die. You are the confused uninformed racist. If you are black and approving of this nonsense, then you are a racist instead of looking and waiting for the judicial system to work.

After you have been an adult for over 50 years, one learns to understand the ridiculous comments made on here. The leftist liberal democrats always start with insults and never try to reason. The world will not miss you and if what MLK stated is correct then few blacks will make it successfully in this life with your attitude.

Here we have another semi literate. Peonage started in what is now the U.S. when England made the colonies penal colonies shortly after colonization. That has been for almost 400 years and not 100 years.

The U.S. will always need janitors, and people to menial jobs. Keep on believing that marijuana and other recreational drugs do not affect the mind and do not read the article that took 25 years of world wide study on the effects of marijuana and understand how marijuana use affects DNA and learning centers. The facts and statistics are not what you want to know. You want to be under educated and comfortable.

You demonstrated how completely uneducated you are. There is and always will be racial profiling. If you were intelligent you would do studies and teach people how to overcome racial profiling but then you wouldn't have an issue would you?????

You need the blacks to be incompetent, under educated, disrespectful, and imitate the baddies from the drug culture. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to comment.

The Japanese lost everything when they were interred after Pearl Harbor and now they are considered one of the best resources the U.S. has. Why haven't the blacks learned?

Try using what nature gave you and use your brain, common sense and free will. Nature gave that to you. You don't need someone to indoctrinate you and brain wash you what to think! There are always quasi scientists, writers and people with agendas.

The pilgrims started with massive racial injustice and so did the native Americans. Every single group has had it and overcame it. Except the blacks. Not only are they overwhelmingly criminals, and fill up jails, they have the highest rate of illegitimate children, lost rate of two parent households, highest rate of children in one guardian households, lowest family income, highest school drop out rate, lowest test school test scores, highest infant death rate and highest death rate in the U.S.

90% of crimes on blacks are caused by blacks. Of the 10,000 blacks killed violently 94% are caused by blacks. Blacks vote democratic 96% . They don't think, just get in the voting booth and pull the democratic lever automatically.

Explain why the leaders are sitting down and explaining how this is all wrong!

Dictionary:

Pvblivs You did not finish high school did you?

Yes I did. How about yourself?

The statement you made "I don't think.." means you are incapable of thinking.

That would have been true enough had I stopped with those three words. But I didn't. The statement that I actually made identifies a hypothesis (your having thought your statement through to understand the implications) that does not match my thoughts.

People judge you by how you speak and write.

Indeed they do. They also judge you by those factual errors that you keep making.

The leftist liberal democrats always start with insults and never try to reason.

Here we have another semi literate.

You demonstrated how completely uneducated you are.

As we can see, Dictionary decries the use of insults (by others) yet uses them as a staple himself.

Pvblivs What were the criminal charges that were leveled? If there were none, then he was detained. Did you finish highschool?

Since you don't want to accept the state and federal facts and statistics given by the federal government and state governments you want to be ignorant.

335,000,000 people in U.S. 18% are black. About 60 million. 82% are non whites. Therefore thinking logically, which you can't incarceration rates should be the same. 18% of the people in jail should be black and 82% should be white. However there are more than 400% more blacks in jail than the population statistics state should be. In other words 4 times more blacks are in jail than the population would indicate.

Of course you are mixing metaphors and making no sense. If blacks wanted to integrate, then they would overly attempt to make up for their bad reputation. What is happening now is worsening the theory that they want to integrate. There are laws and all people races and color have to follow them. You don't want to, then you don't want blacks to integrate.

If you had a medical degree and had gone to medical school and spent 4 years in a university 4 years in med school and 2 year of internship, then you would accept the medical community definition and common usage of the word drug.

. A substance used in the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of a disease or as a component of a medication.
b. Such a substance as recognized or defined by the U.S. Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.

2. A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction.

Over the counter preparation are not commonly known as drugs. But then your ignorance knows no bounds. You are a god in your brain.

No one knows yet how bad an apple Martin was. I am waiting for the ownership of the rings and earrings to be determined. I am also waiting for the report of search of his house to be published and the reports of his association with his associates.

There is a law in many states that everyone entering an established have to remove their motorcycle helmets so that the cameras can take their pictures. I expect something soon about using hoods to be prohibited. It is known that gangs use hoods to execute crimes.
What I really want to see passed in every state is the law against known criminals from associating. That would really hurt the blacks with such a history of criminal activity.

Pvblivs I am defining your inabilities and those are facts and not insults.

Wrong again dictionary72 - American peonage started to take root after the end of slavery but without "free labor" to build roads and infrastructure a system was devised to "re-create" that free labor. For over 100 years in the US incarcerated African Americans replaced slave labor from 1868 until the mid 1960's. Many African American prisoners were "leased" like property to private projects for as little as $8.00 a month per prisoner and were worked literally to death. Their crimes? Hanging out on public sidewalks, shooting dice and other insignificant offenses. PBS published a special about American peonage recently called "Slavery By Another Name." Deny it all you want, it happened.

Further notes on the subject I point to

Peonage (From Wiki)

Labor was in great need to support the expanding agriculture, mining, industrial, and public-work jobs that arose from conquerors settling in the Americas. To account for these jobs a system came about where creditors forced debtors to work for them. This system of involuntary servitude was called peonage.

The origin of this form of involuntary servitude goes back to the Spanish conquest of Mexico when conquistadors forced poor Natives to work for Spanish planters and mine operators. Peonage was prevalent in Spanish America especially in the countries of Mexico, Guatemala, Ecuador, and Peru. It remains an important part of social life, as among the Urarina of the Peruvian Amazon.^[2]

Peonage was also common in the South of the United States after the American Civil War. Poor white farmers and African-Americans who could not afford their own land would farm another person's land. This was called sharecropping and initially the benefits were mutual. The land owner would pay for the seeds and tools in exchange for a percentage of the money earned from the crop and a portion of the crop. However, as time passed many landowners began to abuse this system. Instead of the benefits remaining mutual, the landowner would force the tenant farmer to buy seeds and tools from the land owner’s store which had inflated prices. Other tactics included debiting expenses against the sharecropper's profits after the crop was harvested and miscalculating the net profit from the harvest, thereby keeping the sharecropper in perpetual debt to the landowner. Since the tenant farmers could not offset the costs they were forced into involuntary labor due to the debts they owed the land owner.

Under laws enacted in the South specifically to intimidate blacks, tens of thousands of African Americans were arbitrarily arrested, hit with outrageous fines, and charged for the costs of their own arrests. With no means to pay these debts, prisoners were sold as forced laborers to coal mines, lumber camps, brickyards, railroads, quarries and farm plantations. Thousands of other African Americans were seized by southern landowners and compelled into years of involuntary servitude. Government officials leased falsely imprisoned blacks to small-town entrepreneurs, provincial farmers, and dozens of corporations looking for cheap labor. Armies of black men, and also women and children, labored without compensation, were repeatedly bought and sold, and were forced through beatings and physical torture to do the bidding of white masters for decades after the official abolition of American slavery.^[3]

Mtg303 I speak several languages plus I studied latin. Peon comes from the root word pe or pie or foot or foot worker. Peon existed for several thousand years in Spanish. Peonage is when a worker is forced to work and as in the U.S., when they were colonies of England, before slavery, the English sent English criminals and debtors to the new world to work off their sentences, fines and/or debt. Learn or don't comment. Peonage was a type of white slavery as most women who were prisoners also had to be prostitutes of women of convenience to the men they were indebted. Read your history. During the depression, when there was absolutely no work, this was impossible. If you only read and look at tv, your brain cells are going to atrophy. Time to remember you were given a brain for a reason. You were born with commonsense, reasoning and a free will. Use it or lose. Mostly people like yourself lose nature's gift. You always accept what the media, newspapers, tv, radio, the internet says without getting at least three confirmations. I take nothing you say as the truth. When I have time I will look. But when I lived in the south of Miami, there was a black town Dania, and the blacks who lived there, lived well and had manners, all had jobs, were polite and integrated into society. This stupidity today will only cause the blacks much more grief and when the truth comes out then, I doubt that you will have much to say if anything. I still want to know who the rings and earrings that were found in possession of Martin belonged to. I am shocked that the school did not call the police and have him arrested for having articles that could not possibly be his. Schools are too lenient. Just tell me how was he supposed to graduate when he has missed so much school? What types of jobs would be open to him besides drug supplier?

Mtg303 You are so badly informed and completely unread, your words are meaningless. The first forced labor in the Americas were the Native Americans, then the debtors and finally the black slaves. You do know how the black slaves got to the Americas?????? Your own kings and family members sold your ancestors into slavery. Kingdoms also went to war, captured the enemy and held them for the ships. So if you are going to harp on black slavery, look in the mirror. Today you are doing the same thing. You are enslaving your own people by not educating them and demanding of them that they behave themselves and be good citizens.

Indians were slaves in the south of the United States except for the Native American tribes in Florida which never signed a peace treaty first with the Spanish and later with the United States. These are the Seminoles and they are rich through their casinos.

Share cropping is not peonage. You need to get some good books and study. The poor whites were called red necks from working in the sun. The huge land owners were not interested in the crops. They wanted the rents in case of crop failures. Also if the share croppers couldn't pay the rent it was easy to get rid of them and put in others. If the deal was part of the crop and the crop failed, then the share croppers had an out.

Your lack of knowledge is legendary. This system came from England well over 700 years ago. Nobles would rent out their lands and force the tenants to buy everything from them. There is nothing new under the sun. You are talking ancient history. Factory stores were the same way. Workers worked in factories, and were given credit at factory stores, that would charge outrageous interest and prices. So what? Everyone today is greedy. Ebay is greedy. They see that fuel charges are going up, the U.S.P.S. is going to raise prices and their business model is falling apart. That is why they are shifting to stores to sell ebay. The stores are going to list and the retailers are going to pay Ebay part of the sales.

And what does all have to do with today the blacks being racists, criminals and getting deep into the drug business? Are there no black leaders who can teach these people to be responsible, mature, educated and decent human beings who want to assimilate into the U.S. society?

The Japanese lost everything when they were interred at the beginning of ww II and they rebounded?

The Jews who fled Europe lost their homes, factories and had to work at menial tasks before Roosevelt stopped their immigration into the U.S. The Chinese were used as forced labor on the Intercontinental railroad for slave wages. Today the Jews, Japanese, and Chinese are model citizens. What is wrong with the blacks that they behave like the criminals that they are and their own leaders have denounced them for?

Sailcat-2064101 I am glad you were there, an eyewitness and know all the facts. Go the district attorney and tell him what you know and be sworn in as a witness. This is going to be funny! You leftist make me laugh how you like and try to invent things!

You want to know how a 6"3" 160 foot ball player can bring down a 5'8" 220 rolly polly older man, easy!

Kick him in the testicles or just give him a really good football tackle! He will go over like a ton of bricks. From there on it is easy! Jump on him, bounce his head once and he will be out for several minutes.

A few days ago a car crossing gate hit me, gave me a shot on the top of my head and I was out for several minutes.

dictionary72 - your response is weak at best and because you've studied so diligently you should best know how to respond on something you know nothing of except for the root word meaning of peon. Instead of spouting out justifications for your bigotry towards blacks, I presume African American black people exclusively - you might remember you too were given a brain to use to distinguish between negative racial stereotypes and reality. If you're an American read YOUR US history and study peonage as it was openly practiced in the South - and secretly in other parts of the United States. What I've attempted to point out to you dictionary72 is a long standing mindset of racial profiling. Instead you responded by choosing to be ignorant and not verify the information I've provided and resorted to what you do to justify your stance. Attempt to refute the information I've provided before you respond to discredit what's before you, admit that you might be misinformed on US history. If you have the time to respond then you have the time to research before you post a comment on the subject.

As far as further disintegrating Trayvon Martin's character, I want no part of it since the teenager is now dead from being shot barely a month after turning 17. I can't assume this kid was a drug dealer as he appeared to being walking back to his father's finance's home after buying Skittles and ice tea. What is obvious is the Sanford PD did an injustice to this investigation and that is the point at hand.

Dictionary:

If there were none, then he was detained.

And, as per the dictionary reference, that detention was an arrest. One can be arrested without being charged. But the police have a limited amount of time that they can hold someone in such a state.

Did you finish highschool?

I already answered that. Are you not paying attention?

335,000,000 people in U.S. 18% are black. About 60 million. 82% are non whites. Therefore thinking logically, [unwarranted insult removed] incarceration rates should be the same. 18% of the people in jail should be black and 82% should be white. However there are more than 400% more blacks in jail than the population statistics state should be. In other words 4 times more blacks are in jail than the population would indicate

I do not dispute that blacks make up a greater percentage of the prison population than they do the general population. However, you overlook my point. It is still a minority of blacks that are in prison. In order to make the point that you are trying to make you would need to compare the number of black people in prison to the total number of black people in general population. But you don't do that. If (for example) 0.1% of white people are in prison and 4% of black people are in prison, it gives a high ratio of blacks to whites in the prison population. But it doesn't really indicate that blacks are generally criminals. It means that criminals are rare but tend to be black.

Of course you are mixing metaphors and making no sense. If blacks wanted to integrate, then they would overly attempt to make up for their bad reputation. What is happening now is worsening the theory that they want to integrate.

I will reiterate. Most black people wish to integrate and do integrate. But they don't show up in the news that often. For some reason, working a job and paying a mortgage just isn't seen as newsworthy. Maybe it's because most people do it (regardless of skin color.) The people that Sharpton has to import to make his "march" work are not representative of black people in general. Most black people are not participating in that.

Over the counter preparation are not commonly known as drugs.

Only because people want to avoid the negative connotations of the word. They fit the definition you gave: " A chemical substance, such as a narcotic or hallucinogen, that affects the central nervous system, causing changes in behavior and often addiction." Caffeinne and alcohol are highly addictive substances.

Pvblivs I am defining your inabilities and those are facts and not insults.

No, those are not facts. Indeed, they are contrafactual. For example, I am not a god in my mind. And your false claim that I was would require that you had the ability to read minds.

Learn or don't comment.

I assume then that you will stop posting now?

I take nothing you [Mtg] say as the truth.

Your fact checking has proven to be non-existent. What you take as truth doesn't seem to mean much.

dictionary 72 - you are in complete denial regarding the practice of United States Peonage. No evidence I could provide would be enough to open your nasty, narrow mind and I will not try. I thought to reason with you but you have again proven that your meds are busy at work - may your closed eyes to racism be one day opened. But that's probably impossible because you are part of the problem and not the solution.

Blacks have the same intelligence as whites. Urban Prep Charter Academy in an Illinois ghetto

What does blacks having the same intelligence as whites, or Urban Prep in Chicago having all its students accepted to college have to do with Trayvon Martin being killed?

You're pushing the same cultural racism as the rest of them. I guess you think that I, as a black person, am going to fall to my knees with gratitude because you say you think we "have the same intelligence as whites". Nope.

Again, what do your comments have to do with Trayvon Martin being killed? That's the issue under discussion.

What fact I do know is that "but for" Trayvon's behavior in school he would not have been put in this situation, that is fact.

He could just as well have visited his father over the summer, and still found himself in that situation. What justification for his murder would you come up with then? His being suspended is irrelevant. He didn't deserve to die because he got suspended.

Plantsmantx:

It's not a question of Martin "deserving to die." Zimmerman shot him in defense of his own life at the moment. If, somehow, they had both survived this and Zimmerman then went to exact revenge, then it would be murder. Zimmerman was justified because he was trying to get out of a life-threatening situation, not because Martin was supposedly worth less.

What life-threatening situation? I ask that question even though you didn't really address my point, which is the fact that his being suspended from school is irrelevant.

It really does come down to Martin being considered less, because Zimmerman intruded upon Martin's space without authority. The very attitude that drives these "stand your ground laws" asserts that if you put yourself in a life-threatening situation by forcefully intruding upon another person's space, then that person has the right under the law to not just threaten, but take your life. So, if George Zimmerman put himself in a life-threatening situation by forcefully intruding upon Martin's space without authority, Martin had the right under the law to threaten and even take Zimmerman's life.

That's under the written law. Of course, under the unwritten societal and racial law, Martin didn't have that right, because he was black.

Plantsmatrix:

What life-threatening situation?

Getting beaten to death.

I ask that question even though you didn't really address my point,

I did address your point. You asked why Martin "deserved to die." Killing in self-defense does not assume that the one killed deserves to die, but rather that the one defending himself deserves his own chance to live. Zimmerman didn't shoot Martin because Martin was suspended from school. That "point" is just a red herring. Zimmerman shot Martin because Zimmerman did not want to be beaten to death.

So, if George Zimmerman put himself in a life-threatening situation by forcefully intruding upon Martin's space without authority,

That's just it. Based on what has come out, I don't think Zimmerman invaded Martin's space. I think he followed him from a distance so that he could point him out to the police and Martin invaded Zimmerman's space so that a ***** wouldn't rat him out. The information we have suggests that when the dispatcher told Zimmerman he didn't need to follow Martin, Zimmerman simply arranged to meet with the police by the mailboxes. That is not confronting Martin.

Zimmerman ignored the advice of the police dispatcher by getting out of his car, following the boy, and confronting him in a hostile manner. Legal experts have said quite publicly that by doing so, Zimmerman is therefore ineligible to be defended under Florida's Stand Your Ground law and he surrendered the opportunity to plead self defense. Zimmerman overstepped his authority, ignored his training, ignored the advice of the police dispatcher and stepped into the realm of the aggressor by confronting the boy. It is Martin, in fact, who would have been able to use the Stand Your Ground statute to defend his actions, not Zimmerman.

iF IT WERE MY CHILD; i WOULD BE MARCHING FOR JUSTICE TO BE SERVED.
But I would not invite Sharpton or Jackson as they would NOT HELP but would hurt the cause!

Justice moves at the speed of proper investigation and court action...not your emotional needs. Do you want proper investigation or what your whims dictate?

These people are marching because the slogan "justice for Trayvon" has been trademark to the kid's parents and they need more air time to sell all the merchandise to repay the greedy organizations behind them. By the way we should stop calling him a "kid". He was 6 feet and 160 lbs. Much bigger than most Hispanic adult male, including the one who shot him.

News Flash! Your sense of entitlement for your so called justice is driving everyone nuts. GO GET A JOB, SPEND TIME WITH YOUR KIDS, AND STOP WITH YOUR MOB MENTALITY.

I don't know why these people are marching.

Maybe because this death is the near bitch-proof opportunity to display racism and see just how many @!$%#ing morons you can find to fall for it?

izmee - Definitely...but, reverse racism right?

@ jsm1977, When has a person's size ever determined there age? That is offensive to "small people" isn't it? Because by your definition a person who is 4'0'' 70lbs. is a child even though they are 48 years old. The truth is he was a teenager, not even old enough to vote or buy cigs or join the army and was gunned down by a man.

Even though there is a lot of misleading or false information there are two facts in this case that cannot be denied. 1.) Zimmerman engaged Trayvon even though he was told to stand down 2.) Zimmerman looked pristine in the video footage from the police station, not like someone who has been badly beaten. Bloody nose and skull bashed into a curb but no blood anywhere on his clothing... Questionable...

I do have a question that is irritating the hell out of me and maybe someone can clear this up... If Zimmerman was a convicted felon isn't it illegal for him to carry a firearm?

For all we know maybe Trayvon was leading up to be a bad individual anyway, and my answer is so what. Maybe he was going to rob a house that night, if he was he might have been shot anyway. If he was a criminal I'm sure he would of had his day in court sooner or later.

I have never been a neighborhood watch volunteer, but I have been a security guard and they tell you to never engage in a physical altercation. Ask questions, if they comply and answer your questions you document it and tell your superior. If you think a person is up to no good you call the police and document everything that the person(s) is doing. The key point is to avoid physical contact at all costs. If you think someone is up to no good why in the hell would you engage them? What if Trayvon had a gun on his person, since all you people + Zimmerman think he was such a thug? Would you really risk putting yourself in the line of fire, especially if you think the person is dangerous and could possibly armed?

@ Jesse and Al: When are you guys going to give it up? You are not doing anything for the black community and it is in my opinion that you can only fight racism if you fight it for everyone, not just the people of your same skin color.

Martin is not a child. Just because there is a technical language about a few days short of 18 does not mean a man is a child. They are putting 14 year olds behind bars for life as adults.

jd-3335053

News Flash! Your sense of entitlement for your so called justice is driving everyone nuts. GO GET A JOB, SPEND TIME WITH YOUR KIDS, AND STOP WITH YOUR MOB MENTALITY

jd (Just Dumb)

jd,

You have nauseating gumption.

The insensitivity, racism and stupidity here is profound.

Why did so many of you abandon Fox and storm over here?

Rush and O'Reilly will miss you.

These marchers are marching for Justice.

When the son of a judge murders an innocent African American teenager, lie about the incident and walks free...that is injustice. If justice had prevailed, these demonstrations may not have even occured...although, there is no apology that is necessary for these peaceful protests.

It is good to see and know that Trayvon Martin has so many supporters.

The hateful rants that are posted on this forum, exactly mimick the southern drawls of the 1950's and the 1960's when the "steaming" racists called the Civil Rights protesters, "troublemakers, instigators, rabble rousers...when words such as.."this is not the right time for them to March," crooned from justice denyers. Why do you all not come out and say exactly what you are thinking..."so what, a [N] was killed, who cares."

Everyone at the march for Treyvon Martin has a constitutional right to "air their grievances."

Heh...is that not what our founding fathers and Constitution says.

If people cannot march for a murdered person's offender to be arrested, then when should they march?

Because, you haters are so comfortable in your lives and nestled and cocooned in society, you do not believe in the cause of the marchers. You do not know the immense pain that Mr. & Mrs. Martin are experiencing...nor do you care. You know only pain, when your dog whimpers because he has a slight "tummy ache" or when your parakeet is fatigued from "molting."

Why do you haters not just go out and put your White sheets on?

You are too cowardly to do so.

Get a Job?

Until the "entitled" Barrons on Wall Street robbed America, many people in this country had a job! JB, I am glad to dissapoint you and to tell you that not one of the pictured marchers were part of the financial gangs on Wall Street that "picked the pockets" of our citizenry. It is a blundering narrow-mind to assume that Black=Lazy=unemployed.

Spend time with your children.

How do the Martin's spend time with their son?

Trayvon is dead.

How does a parent spend quality time with their children knowing that after coming from a store with a bag of Skittles, a rabid predator with a loaded gun, can fire a bullet and end their child's life? What is really in your hearts is that...Trayvon was a person of color...his life is meaningless.

Mob Mentality?

Our Constitution calls it the 1st Amendment:

"the unabridged right to free speech and peaceful assembly."

Hats off to the moral and brave people in London.

The solidarity shown in Great Britain, yes...not far from the queen's court...was heartwarming.

What a true sense of justice for joining yes...Jackson and Sharpton, in calling for an arrest.

find me a white sheet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are marching because the last three years has been more and more race baiting and encouraging such backward behavior and besides they got nothing better to do since we support most of those who do this kind of thing. They get bussed in and fed by their community users who need them to remain relevant and to get donations of our tax money from the government for the so called "good" things they do. Strangely enough the neighborbhoods represented by these race baiters remain the most deadly to the youth there in the nation. So who do you think they are really serving except themselves.

New Bulliten 25 Walker

If Zimmerman were guarded by the Secret Service these demonsrations would be a felony if they came anywhere near him. That one came from your President who signed such a law just recently, apparently for some reason expecting demonstrations near him or preparing to stop people from demonstrating against him. More backward racism .

The insensitivity, racism and stupidity here is profound.

True, but I don't think the people calling for Zimmerman's head are going to go away any time soon.

These marchers are marching for Justice.

No, they only use "justice" as a pretty word.

When the son of a judge murders an innocent African American teenager, lie about the incident and walks free...that is injustice.

Fortunately, that didn't happen. What did happen was that Martin decided he could beat a ***** to death to keep him from ratting him out to the cops and Zimmerman shot him in defense of his own life. Zimmerman was arrested. But there was no basis to charge him. So the police had to release him.

Why do you haters not just go out and put your White sheets on?

The haters in this instance (which include yourself) would probably be inclined to use black sheets for the "Black Power" movement.

How does a parent spend quality time with their children knowing that after coming from a store with a bag of Skittles, a rabid predator with a loaded gun, can fire a bullet and end their child's life?

Well, if Zimmerman were the rabid predator you claim, he would probably have killed several others along the way, shot from the safety of his truck, and would certainly not have called the police. But then, I suppose that you think Martin was "love punching" Zimmerman.

I am begining to know why robert embry wants a white sheet. We have a racist President who puts up with Black Panthers that want to kill a white/hispanical person. If the Panthers harm Mr. Zimmerman in any way there will be more white sheeted people in the black neighbor than you can count.

BTW: I would not doubt that Eric Holder has another plan called "Fast and Furious 2" supply guns to the Black Panthers to get Zimmerman.

No one talks about all these gangbangers like the Blood and Crips. They kill at will and no one cares. That is the citys problem. No one would have cared if he was a gangbanger. Who to say that Martin wasn't.

Zimmerman may have killed Treyvon because he is a racist (let's not forget hus infamous words on tape with 911 "d--d--- c--ns" and "they always get away"), but the demand for a true judicial process to determine guilt by the evidence (and there is so much more Zimmy never realized would be there) is NOT racial by those demanding a fair, untainted trial.

This is NOT a replay of the 60s. This is not blacks demanding ehir civil rights and for whites do something to correct social issues. This is Americans of all creeds, colors, ethnic backgrounds, etc, of all ages from grammar school to the elderly WHO DO BELIEVE in the American judicial process demanding that the wheels of justice that got stuck in the mud in Sanford, FL be yanked out of the mud and be allowed to grind away to find the truth to what occurred that night that Zimmerman shot a gun and Treyvon died.

Apparently, the only ones against dicovery of the truth appear to be white supremist types (the same voices that want to erradicate women's rights to complete, personal and private medical care) who are looking at the superfulous to distract from the core issue ... DUE PROCESS, with the truth supported by the over-abundance of evidence to protect BOTH individuals rights, not merely one person's say so just because he was able to get up and walk away.

We are concerned with ONE incidence of a shooting .... NOT all the shootings that have occurred since europeans stole gunpowder from the chinese during Marco Polo's time. If this one case sets a precedence, great. If it doesnt, so be it .... the next time injustice gets stuck in the mud, we will need to demand it be yanked out of the mud and rinsed off once again.

Those who want justice are indeed Americans of all walks of life of all ages ... those who rather see it go away and sweep it under the rug, well hell, they just dont appreciate the real meaning of being an American.

Those yelling what about all the injustices beyond this case ... all I can say is you look like the type who would berated adoptive parents for adopting 1 or 2 kids instead of all of them. You would say "why just those 2, why not all of them ... they all need homes. Should that mean they shouldnt adpot any because they cant afford to adopt millions??? NO.

One step at a time ... one case at a time .... one family at a time. Let's get this right.

Each one of us must take the responsibility that those rights for every American citizen/legal resident not be denied through incompetence, negligence, bigotry, ego, conspiracy, or anything else by those entrusted by the American citizens of this country. Nothing must impede or prevent the wheels of justice grinding to the truth of any case, including this one.

And regarding the Sanford Police Department's reputation of race relations, here you go...

Lee's predecessor, Brian Tooley, retired early when faced with criticism that Sanford police dragged its feet in arresting Justin Collison on charges of knocking out a homeless black man.

It took a month for Collison, the son of a police lieutenant, to be arrested and charged in 2010 with battery, even though the attack was captured on video. Collison eventually pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor and was sentenced to probation late last year.

The department was also criticized for delaying the arrest of two security guards with close ties to the department who shot a 16-year-old boy to death in 2005. The guards were arrested several months after the shooting and were eventually cleared.

One of the two guards who shot Travares McGill was a police volunteer and the other was the son of a former police officer. Bryan Ansley and William Swofford claimed they feared for their lives when they shot the teen through a car window.

Read more: #ixzz1qlMja7x1

There's a pattern of botching cases involving African American males in Sanford, FL.

Where does this #ixzz1qlMja7x1 lead to? I would like to see more about what you said but what you supplied leads nowhere.

I'm now off to read the new report that says the screams are not Zimmerman's.

robert embry-3303428

find me a white sheet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

robert,

Thank you for your confession!

They are marching because the last three years has been more and more race baiting

Shaking my head,

Your dense interpretation of this case, has left me "shaking my head."

"race baiting?"

This particular murder case has strangely stalled.

There is no mystery here.

Zimmerman is the son of a judge.

He murdered an African-American child, Trayvon Martin.

Zimmerman's act occured first.

In this case, the "wheels of justice" have become stuck.

After the wheels locked up, only then did the peaceful demonstrators take an admirable stand for Justice.

Zimmerman should be charged with murder and prosecuted.

encouraging such backward behavior and besides they got nothing better to do

"backwards?"

If the marchers are backwards, than so are the founding father's and the Constitution.

The 1st Amendment:

"the unabridged right to free speech and peaceful assembly."

nothing better to do

Standing up for what is right is a noble way for our citizens to use their time.

They get bussed in

If the blind such as Romney, Gingrich and Santorum can "bus in" their confused followers, it is great to know that the marchers, who are people of good moral conscience, can galvanize their supporters to voice their concerns that America stands for what is right.

our tax money

The greedy 1% has more of your "tax money" than the marchers will ever see.

The above folks did not use "your tax money" for the good of our country...check our unemployment stats

You are ill-informed.

The NAACP is a privately funded organization.

..stupid.

the neighborhoods represented by these race baiters remain the most deadly

If their neighborhoods are deadly it is because of racism and our stubbornly skewed society.

So who do you think they are really serving except themselves.

By being able to walk the streets of Sanford, Florida and come out alive, is the best way that the marchers can "serve themselves."

Pvblis,

A cursory review of your "post" illustrates that you are trapped in confusion.

No, they only use "justice" as a pretty word.

Your above phrase...says everything, rather very little about you.

You have denigrated the word "justice."

Thus, you have trampled on our Constitution.

Here is the BEST news for you...

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/01/10963191-trayvon-martin-case-audio-screams-were-not-george-zimmermans-2-experts-say

Good day.

Jesse,

If you can post without using expletives, it would help whatever point you are trying to make.

I am on the Martin side.

kmg - why choose sides when all the evidence has not been made public? Would you still be "on Martin's side" if there were video showing him on top of Zimmerman and ramming his head into the ground, as has been suggested by some witnesses?

This isn't an issue of sides. It is an issue of seeking truth and justice.

ABCzyx - yes I would still be on Martin's side if this "video" you made up were reality.

I would want to know that I can legally beat the @!$%# out of a stranger following me and harrassing me.

I would also want it to know that he could not PROVOKE the situation and then kill me when I defend myself WITHOUT facing AT LEAST a manslaughter charge.

What almost all of you who are on GZ'z side are misconstruing is that there is no lynch mob going on. What people want is for this to go before a jury!!!! The fact that George Zimmerman, the only survivor of this confrontation, was let go and the case closed based SOLELY on his word is what has people irate.

I couldn't give two @!$%#s if it was an asian person shooting a muslim , a white guy shooting a hermaphrodite, or, as in this case, a hispanic shooting a black youth. The point is, the police @!$%#ed up and that's that. Clearly, CLEARLY, this case warrants AT LEAST a proper investigation.

By the way, it's George Zimmerman's OWN WORDS that has made race an issue.

@ivanho: There is clearly a lynch mob mentality going on; just look at the number of people that went to Zimmerman's house when the racist Spike Lee tweeted the incorrect address. If it was the true address and he was there, I have very liitle doubt that it would have escalated to a violent confrontation.

In addtion, your assertion that you can beat someone following you and that that person doesn't have the right to use deadly force on you if he believes his life to be in danger (even if he provoked the situation), is incorrect. If people like you would take the time to understand the law, we wouldn't have the rush to judgement that is going on. Here is the FL law for reference:

Fl Statute
776-013

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a
forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force..

I would want to know that I can legally beat the @!$%# out of a stranger following me and harrassing me.

Earth to Ivanhoe, not sure what planet you're on tough-boy, but it isnt legal to be the @!$%# out of someone following you and harassing you. So when you're getting a hard-on thinking about how tough you are, keep in mind the last guy that tried that stupid @!$%# and got his tough-boy ass shot, and deservedly so. His last name was Martin, in fact.

You wanting to be next or something, tough-boy?

There's no shortage of people who will hand you your ass.

The ONLY difference between this tragedy and the numerous tragedies that had gone on before this and will most definitely will go on afterward is media exposure.. You don't hear about the others 1, 2, 3 because most can't hold up to media profit.. Lookit.. There's a possible (white-hispanic?) racist killer, a possible innocent (black) youngster and the cops (of varying intellect)are neck deep in their on mire.. Priceless! Except of course, monetarily speaking. Meanwhile it becomes a whodunit white/black roller coaster that will definitely explode in accordance to the final outcome.. More media attention, more media profits and who really wins? Why congress of course.. Now they have everybody looking off so they can, unchallenged, pass policy and mandates that NONE OF US WANT!! AND the front runners where, as time runs out, it's that much closer so that each can continue to bash the others and NOT have to address the real problems that none of them could fix in any case... Atta way to take advantage of an otherwise sad situation guys (for this manipulation alone, you should vote each other a good old healthy taxpayer raise 'cause.. we know you deserve it)..

if there were video showing him on top of Zimmerman and ramming his head into the ground

If Zimmerman didn't ignore proper protocols and the advice of the dispatcher, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

The "IF" game is fun, isn't it?

If Martin had walked straight to his fathers house we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Your right the"if" game is fun.

The only sensible one I've heard so far was Mike Tyson. He wouldn't let Piers Morgan push him into making a racist remark. He also said he thought Zimmermans brother was telling the truth.

I watched part of that interview (skyrim took priority)...But is telling when Mike Tyson is the voice of reason...

Yes, for Bill. That is the confusion many are feeling, and they want answers. I saw the brother and father and what they said didn't make sense when compared to the calls and the police statements. I really don't have the facts and would be content to wait for the investigation to conclude, but I do want to know one is being done. That was the problem...this isn't up to us without the facts to make the conclusion, but I agree it is very confusing.

I think the confusion is intentional. But hopefully between the state and federal authorities looking into this the truth will come out. Whate er they find, it won't please everyone.

Xant...It's only a BIG deal when someone with white blood kills a black. It does not count if a black is killed by another black. Have you paid any attention to what goes on in Africa? It's like the Holocaust but it never ends.

You need a mayor with cojones.

Northcut, who is all the same?

Rabble rousers Dog Patch. They light the fuse but they won't be there when the explosion starts and they won't take responsiblity for turning up the heat. They also won't pay the damages to the people who lose everything in a riot situation.

WTF wrong comment- sorry!

If you mean blacks, the same could and SHOULD be said about whites who KILL bunnies for sport, KILL their children and wives, and go to work and KILL everybody there, go to college and KILL everybody there...all of this just because they didnt get their way...is THAT what you mean?

If you had a brain you would be dangerous - compare your stats with the stats for the crimes that most blacks commit from the time they start walking and talking! They do the most of EVERYTHING dishonest and crooked. Of course, that is what they are taught by dey momma who be hooked up on pot or crack and kain't gets out ob dat bed to train dem proper - do dey duz crime instead of working - their motto is: I like what YOU has so I's gonna tak it fer me so I's can buy some mo gold teeth, braids, used caddy's and pants dat hangs down pass da butt! Pathetic!

Anybody wearing a hoodie. Last 7 robbers on tape here were wearing hoodies 6 hispanic 1 white.

I put up my hood when it's cold, raining, or snowing, or even if it's too sunny since I burn easily. Wearing a hoodie isn't a crime and doesn't suggest thuggish intent. People who wear the hoods inside bother me as well, since the above reasons don't exist. it was rainy and wearing a hood wasn't unreasonable in this case, though. Martin wasn't holding up a 7-11 or committing and other crime, so although I see your point, it is not the same thing.

Travon Martin should have gone in the house. Zimmerman had every right to be involved in keeping his neighborhood safe and observe whoever he wanted to. Have you ever heard get involved? Well if you're laying on the ground screaming for help and people walk by ... do what you have to do ... just make sure you don't get your brains bashed in so you aren't a babbling vegetable for the rest of your life.

lol. nice

terry, American is awake and it's full of racist Americans who share common conservative values. Those values are more important than being a respectful American.

Trayvon Martins death isn't threatening anyone's rights. They complained that Zimmerman hasn't been arrested. Well, the case has been handed over to other legal officials and he still hasn't been arrested. Therefore they don't have sufficient evidence. That wouldn't change if the kid was any other color. If you don't have the proof, you can just put someone in jail.

AtheistLefty

American is awake and it's full of racist Americans who share common conservative values.

Guess Atheist leftist can't be racist....You appear well versed on those lacking of intelligence. Is this the result of being the target of demeaning remarks regarding your "intelligence" by parents or teachers or just the reflection in your mirror? If the mirror...try changing the glass. If your parents or teachers...listen to them.

There are too many people who are not on the right side of justice. This is all about just doing the right thing. If they just stop the cover up and do the right thing it all will help resolve some of the problems.

spar, feeling good? Does the hate ooze from all your pores at once. Do you smile after typing your vile comments. I dare you to go out on the streets and state what you've type.

Terry this has gone beyond justice and only vengence will satify the mob. Since I already went through this crap when I was 19 you can have all the experiences having my civil rights suspended for three days is an experience I do not wish to repeat. When leaving your yard and stepping onto the sidewalk makes you subject to arrest come back and tell me this situation is right.

And what rights are those, terryknight? The "right" to be in a gated community where you don't live? Where I come from that's called trespassing. Especially when walking behind the houses instead of on the sidewalk. His own shady actions are what got him killed.

You know, lone, while I am sorry you experienced what you did, I don't think you got the whole picture. So you couldn't leave your house for three days? Sucks, but the point is that someone was SHOT and the way it wasn't handled was most likely not fair and impartial. We aren't talking about you not leaving your house for three days. I agree that people need to take a breath and let the feds do their work, but what you fail to understand apparently is that the reason people got so upset in the first place and why they got so mad many times when you were younger is that some people's civil rights were NEVER respected and that they were always "suspects" and treated like crap. They couldn't go out of their houses (when they were allowed to even get one) any day of any year without wondering if someone would hurt them or claim they were criminals, haul them off somewhere and lynch them or just shoot them and dump them somewhere.

So you didn't like that for three days???? How would you like it as a part of your daily life? That is what this is all about, and although I do definitely agree people need to stop going over the line and need to behave themselves while legitimate investigations are being done, I do understand feeling threatened and I do get why there is anger and fear here.

AtheistLefty:

you are the most uninformed and delusional person I've ever had the displeasure to read. You've drank so much of this crazy koolade you can't tell what is fact - here's one for you: the only thing you are missing is an arm band with a black swastika on it and your arm held stiffly at a 45 degree angle yelling "Sig Heil"!

I'm thankful that people like you are a rare oddity!

athiestlefty america is so sound asleep if a train was to wreck outside their bedrooms they would not feel it let alone hear it . . . . ..

Zimmerman was a LEFTIE! Not Conservative. A registered Democrat.

You mean quit dumb@!$%#.

And you hide here. Make you feel big? Did you get your racist feelings out? You are a nobody who has a computer and that's all.

"The Truth"

Atheist, if I'm not mistaken, what you are accusing Ed of is exactly what you are doing. Just because you have different view points doesn't mean that hes wrong and you are right.

So don't call someone out for "hiding" when you are no different.

You are a nobody who has a computer and that's all

Everybody on this and all other vines including Atheist and me are also a nobody who has a computer.............So what is you point?

I have no problem going out on the street and stating my support for Trayvon's family and Zimmerman being arrested. Can you racists say and do the same thing? I'll see you on the news if you have any balls.

You do that Lefty but I've already lived through 1967. And I already watched a young father be pulled from his car and beaten by a mob in front of his wife and children on my evening news. So I choose to pass . Al and Jessie should know better they were around then too. The only people who lost in the race riots of 1967 were the Black people who lived in those neighborhoods. It was their homes that burned. It was the stores in their neighbohoods that burned. I want justice too but this is getting dangerous. I've been there I do not want to go there again.

im atheist as well but im not retarded you better bring you a sign wear a t-shirt or hoodie because when you get out there supporting the "cause" you will find you who the true racist are....... good luck brother

And you know Trayvon Martin to be a punk how exactly? And George Zimmerman's arrest, assault and failed employment records make him what exactly... besides the killer we all already know him to be that is.

Very mature...all three of you are shining examples of why these problems exist.

TerryKnight-This was a kid built into a man's body & the brains of a three year old

You are talking about Zimmerman, right?

Not a smart white boy though

Hmmm, Lets see. Mob Mentality out to demand justice. Been there, done that...It was called lynchings... (in the Old West.) I agree that Sharpton needs to NOT be around this, as he is a Professional Instigator. And we as a Country are headed towards a slippery slope when we start using the media to decide the legal fate of anyone. I will not return to these comments, so any witty rebuttals will fall on deaf eyes.

Around the same time Trayvon was shot another African American man was murdered by the police in White Plains, New York:

The police responded to a medical alert call at 5 in the morning. The resident of the apartment, Kenneth Chamberlain, said through the closed door that he was fine and didn’t need medical assistance. Yet an hour later, after calling him a "n----r" and breaking down his front door, the police shot and killed him. All this is documented on tape. At first officers said he was attacking them. However, a video shows that when they entered the apartment, he was dressed only in boxers and had no weapon in his hands.

Is it just me or have there been a lot more hate crimes against African American men lately?

It's his job to be a skeptic. Police deal with criminiality constantly and I would be surprised if he didn't want to arrest him. He'd probably want to arrest his mother ... that's how he's trained. There's no hurry for this arrest because there's no flight risk. The clock starts ticking on the speedy trial as soon as there's an arrest and if the reports aren't ready when the case is heard ... too bad. This case was scheduled to go to the Grand Jury on April 12, 2012.

Amanda, I don't know if that might be the case, but, I'm sure if someone wanted to go through the news, they could find all kinds of killings that doesn't include a black man being killed. More than likely do to statistics it will be a black man committing them. That is to include black on black crimes. So would you consider the crimes committed toward white people, as being hate crimes?

So if you're trying to be sanctimonious, you are really only showing your own racist attitude. So I guess you could say that would be; the pot calling the kettle black. The best thing to remember is when you start to worry about what color a person is that's being killed, instead of them just being a human being. I think Michael J. said it best The man in the mirror.

A federal judge can not try anyone for manslaughter. The best he can do is charge him with violation of Martins civil rights and try him for that. The only time murder is a federal crime is if the victim is a federal officer or it happens on an Indian Resevation. Is Sanford an Indian Reservation?

Really?-1739510---The conviction is guaranteed: the same way OJ's "innocence" was guaranteed.

When is white America going to get sick of being intimidated?

If white America is as racists as Sharpton and the other race pimps make them out to be how did Obama get elected?

Dang I am ever proud to be Hispanic oops Zimmerman is half Hispanic well if are all sticking to race I'm on his side.

Lol, are you seriously implying Trayvon Martin is the president's son? I know Obama said if he had a son, he wishes it would be like Trayvon, but once it becomes common knowledge that he was a drug dealer, I think everyone here will be singing a different tune.

I believe the president has taken a personal interest in this case. This story is huge. It is an election year and he needs his black caucus. I believe he has given Holder instructions to follow up on this at the federal level. Maybe I'm wrong but lets just see how this all plays out.

I know Obama said if he had a son, he wishes it would be like Trayvon

No- he said that if he had a son, he would look like Trayvon.

The Boston globe claimed Obama was Irish and returning to his roots on his last visit to Ireland. So which is it?

You sound so stupid you should check yourself into the penitentiary.

you can't throw people in jail for fun. an investigation is going on to see if he violated the stand your ground law. this country runs on laws, not do what you like whenever like 3rd world countries. the stories presented to the public via the media are always washed and filtered to either rouse riots or to cause the growth of one opinion or another. the only fact is zimmerman admitted he killed trayvon. all else is muddled up opinion

You contradict yourself. He's innocent until proven guilty, but let's put him in jail even though we obviously don't have the right evidence to do so.

dboygoode

Are you really as ignorant as you sound?

Just curious.

Exactly! Where are they for the Kansas City teen who was set on fire with gasoline on his front porch? Where are they for the mother who was beaten to death in California? These stories hardly make the news, yet we have been hearing this for 34 DAYS.