E-mail updates
Follow on Twitter
Subscribe to RSS
Mike Blake / Reuters
Mourners hold a candlelight vigil to remember Shaima Alawadi outside her home in El Cajon, Calif., on Wednesday.
The beating death of Iraqi-American Shaima Alawadi in a refugee community in a San Diego suburb has brought attention to bias crimes against Muslims, even as police caution against definitively labeling her death a hate crime.
Alawadi, a 32-year-old stay-at-home mother of five, was found beaten in the dining room of her rented home last week by her 17-year-old daughter, police said. She died March 24.
Police are investigating the killing as a possible hate crime because of a note found next to Alawadi's unconscious body that threatened the family. An FBI bias crimes squad is assisting.
On Saturday, she was buried in Iraq, in the Valley of Peace cemetery in the holy Shiite city of Najaf, about 100 miles south of Baghdad.
"The martyr (Alawadi) used to love all; she made no distinction between religions," Alawadi's father, Nabil, told Reuters.
"Her husband told me that someone threw a note saying, 'go back to your own country, you're a terrorist' ... Who is the real terrorist, Shaima, or them," he said.
There was a big jump in hate crimes against Muslims after the September 11, 2001 attacks carried out by al-Qaida, but the number subsided during the middle of the decade.
But in 2011, the number of anti-Muslim hate groups tripled to 30, according to a recent report by the Southern Poverty Law Center, which advocates for civil rights. There were 186 separate bias crimes in 2010, the highest number in five years, FBI data show.
"We are considering the hate crime aspect, but we are not labeling it as such," El Cajon Police Lt. Mark Coit said. But he said he could not reveal any details on the status of the case.
In a sign of how closely the case was being watched, the U.S. State Department expressed condolences for Alawadi's death, and Iraqi government representatives attended the funeral.
Law enforcement, and Arab and Muslim lobby groups, and even Alawadi's family is uncertain of what happened.
"The majority of the family believes that it could be anything," said Nazanin Wahid, a friend who is serving as a spokeswoman for the family. "But the fact that they found a note and that the police said initially that it resonates like a hate crime led them to believe that it could be that."
Growing immigrant community
Since Alawadi's death, at least two members of El Cajon's Muslim community have reported receiving threatening phone calls, said Sadaf Hane, civil rights director of the San Diego chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.
The Arab community in particular is prone to under-reporting such discrimination because of a distrust of the abuses of authorities, Hane added.
California police are investigating a brutal attack that left 32-year-old Shaima Alawadi dead. KNSD's Chris Chan reports.
El Cajon is in eastern San Diego County, which is home to the second-largest Iraqi community in the United States, behind Detroit. More than half of El Cajon's 100,000 residents are of Middle Eastern descent.
Like Alawadi's family, some of the city's Arab residents are Shiite refugees from Iraq who arrived in the United States in the 1980s and 1990s after fleeing their homeland after Saddam Hussein's 1980 invasion of Shiite neighbor Iran and the long war that followed.
But the town has seen an even larger surge of Iraqi newcomers since 2008 through a U.S.-funded refugee resettlement program, often joining relatives in the area, said Michael McKay, Deputy Director of Refugee Services at the Catholic Charities Diocese of San Diego.
A friend of Alawadi's family, Sura Alzaidy, told the San Diego Union Tribune newspaper the note found near Alawadi read: "Go back to your own country. You're a terrorist."
Alawadi and her husband arrived in the United States in 1993 after spending years in a refugee tent camp. Majed al Hasan was their neighbor there and later became their neighbor in El Cajon.
The Iraq they fled was terrifying, with secret police torturing and killing perceived enemies of the state, Hasan said. "They come from a war-torn country," McKay said. "To think that you're not safe, still, after coming this far is scary."
Hoodies and hijabs
This week, hundreds of mourners stood in front of Alawadi's house in a quiet cul-de-sac nestled in the hills as the sun set, lighting candles for a vigil in her honor.
Alawadi's mother arrived and her cries of sorrow pierced the air. Wails erupted around her as she walked through the crowd, sobbing and beating her chest.
Some mourners wore the traditional black cloak and scarf worn by many devout Muslim women. Others wore T-shirts that said "Justice for Shaima Alawadi" above a silhouette of a woman wearing a Muslim headscarf.
Nelvin C. Cepeda / AP
Kassim Alhimidi holds the body of his wife, Shaima Alawadi, during a memorial service at the Islamic Center of Lakeside, Calif., on Tuesday. She was buried Saturday in Iraq.
Alawadi wore such a headscarf, and advocates for the Arab and Muslim community have suggested that her scarf may have been a factor in drawing attention to her as a perceived outsider, if indeed her killing was a hate crime.
"We're not going to cry, if that's what you wanted. We're not going to take off our scarf, if that's what you wanted," Alawadi's eldest daughter, Fatima, said at the vigil, addressing her mother's killer.
For many in El Cajon, the case has drawn parallels to that of Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teenager shot in Florida last month by a Neighborhood Watch volunteer in a killing that has also drawn outrage because of its racial undertones.
"My condolences go out to the family of Trayvon," Alawadi's 15-year-old son Muhammed said at the vigil, as tears welled up in his eyes. "My candle goes out to you as well."
Some activists have begun linking the two cases on social media, spurring a popular #hoodiesandhijabs hashtag on Twitter. Martin was wearing a hoodie when he was killed. Students at several college campuses held "Hoodies and Hijabs" rallies on Thursday.
On Friday night, while his father was in Iraq, Shaima's son Ali Alawadi stayed behind for a candlelight vigil with members of the Iraqi community at the Town Center Community Park in Santee, NBCSanDiego.com reported.
"I just want to say thank you for honoring my mother," he said. "It means a lot. It gives us more confidence."
Leave a Comment:
Any possiblity that this could be an honor killing covered up to look like a hate crime?
Something about this case is odd... something doesn't quite add up and that is exactly why the police "caution against definitively labeling her death a hate crime." Watching this on the local news it was odd to see the daughter on tv talking of her mothers death and showed no emotion, no tears (this a culture thing I'm misunderstanding?). Really seemed odd to see this story immediately thrown in the "World and US section" of the news so quickly, like this is a story the mainstream news is pushing (as is the Trayvon one too). Definitely agendas are being pushed while victims are shined upon the media spotlight.
You're getting warmer...
"To date, officers have served two search warrants on the family's home and they were seen carrying away bags of evidence. Neighbors said investigators also towed away a red Nissan van registered to the victim's husband, Kassim Alhimidi, 47."
My first thought too. Most hate crimes happen on the street, not at your home in such a large Muslim populated area.
I think they need to look closer to home.
Maybe not even an honor killing.
The killing suggests there was a lot of passion -- and would that passionate of a person, REALLY leave a note pointing to a hate crime?
The notes were there as part of a premeditated plan to kill this woman, who lived in a Muslim community and who would not have been seen as a "furriner".
How are the Iraqis going to rebuild their country if we let them come over here to resettle instead of staying put to create a better reality there? Who is left behind besides the terrorists and theocracists(sp)? Sending them back to fight for their rights as Iraqi citizens is the right thing to do if we are sincer about nation building and creating democracy in the ME as opposed to abandoning the area to muslim horrors.
And they don't leave convenient notes stating "THIS IS A HATE CRIME". I've been posting this since it first came out in the news. The notes were just too convenient.
There seemed to have been past issues with the daughter staying out late and having the cops called. Also, she was the only other one home at the time, supposedly asleep upstairs.
That is very interesting Scott - I haven't heard that angle before but it certainly is something to think about. The big media outlets never tell the whole story.
Well, Deb, that's probably why they're not playing it up too much. The cops are being cagey and they know there's a reason for it, so they're afraid to get into a lot of conjecture about it.
After 9/11 people were saying "man they just awoken a sleeping giant" or "they just opened a can of worms"well, here we are..
No, it's called "dignity" and "bravery." If anything happened that was so terrible, and I was on television, I would hope to have a brave face too, and not have a running nose and red drippy eyes for strangers to comment on.
No one wants to be a show.
Keeping a brave face is part of our culture in the United States, and we tell our children that big girls and big boys don't cry (in public). Even Jackie Kennedy kept her emotions hidden when she was with her husband's body and in public.
I thought the same exact thing! When the Muslims do an honor killing they usually stone them to death so my thoughts are that the husband could have beaten her to death and put the note there himself! How hard is that? The note could have been an old note that someone had left at their house telling them to "go back to Iraq" and if it could have lead the husband to the thought of covering up his honor killing by blaming it on a hate crime! I can almost bet we will be seeing the husband brought up on charges! I just don't see someone breaking into the house to commit a hate crime! They seem to happen when people pass each othe on the street or elsewhere! I guess we will see!
Says they are Shiite .....I say Husband. All this hate crime crap from the other side of the US spread like wild fire and is a great excuse and alibi for killing your wife and covering it up with a note of hate.
We don't need another group pissed off especially the Shiite muslims.
TSHANNY - I actually thought of that. I bet they whole family stays in Iraq now. But what I really want to know is where are Sharpton and Jackson? I know Trayvon is taking up all their time, but I really think they should make a little time for this woman. I bet I'm not alone in this. See, what the dynamic duo should do is get the lynch mob and skip due process, grab Zimmerman, and go directly to the hanging tree. After all, this is just a Muslim woman - emphasis on Woman - who as we all know in the Islamic world is worth nothing but a womb to grow another Muslim fetus. I guess Sharpie and Jack-o-mouth feel the Muslims have their stuff together so why get involved when there are much more pressing issues with the white on black crime.
My first thought was that this was a hate crime. But I like to think I'm fair; and in all fairness, there has been no evidence presented yet which convinces me that this could not just have been a hastily covered up crime of passion, which happens in all cultures - as does the crime of covering up where it is considered a crime to do so.
But unlike the Trayvon case, the police are actually working on solving this crime with diligence and care.
...either honor killing or the hubby wanted a younger wife. And since in America (unlike countries in the Mid East) polygamy is illegal...hmm...
From the information they have released about the crime scene...sounds like it was staged.
If it was a @!$%# who did the killing, no way it was a racial killing. Only white folks are capable of racial crimes..
You guys skipped the initial story, it seems. She didn't die at the scene-- she died in a hospital. Her assailants beat her and left a note telling her to leave town, to "go back to your own country." Her death was not intended-- this was meant to send a message to her family. Your speculation that this was an honor killing does not hold water-- you're just trying to blame the victims, which is disturbing to say the least.
Sues-343312, how does this in any way relate to the Trayvon Martin case? Unlike the Martin case, I see nowhere in this article that the killer is known or that the police appear to be protecting the killer rather than making an arrest. Explain yourself.
This story came out during the the Trayvon stuff. From what I read she actually was an honorable muslim and her husband trained our troops to go into the muslim region. It was a hate crime, and if Jesse Jackson and Louis Fariquan had any honor in protecting minority rights, they should be marching for her as well.
I'm reluctant to jump to conclusions, but I agree with Derek; something about this case is very odd.
The murder was committed IN the home, but nothing was said about how the murderer may have gotten into or out of the home. Were there signs of forced entry?? Signs of a struggle? Did anyone see a stranger in the area? Could it have been just by chance that the murderer arrived when no one else was home?
Seems odd that a murderer would leave a note at the scene.
And I am somewhat affronted that the victim was taken back to Iraq for burial. I bristle at people who move to the U.S. and yet still consider the country they fled to be "home".
Again I state that I'm reluctant to jump to conclusions.....but this murder IS very odd.
No one knows who killed her. Lets find out first and then blame someone.
The family describes step by step, blow by blow, exactly what their "story" of the assault is. Makes me suspect this was an honor killing committed by the family (it seems there are reports the glass in the window was broken outwards rather than inwards - contrary to the family's story that someone broke in). Let the wild story begin!:
Hamidi and Alwadi had five sons and daughters, aged 17, 16, 13, 12 and eight.
Hamidi, 48, said he could not go on talking and explained that he was in a bad state before passing on the telephone to his wife’s cousin Hussein Alwadi.
“I saw her body in the dinning room a few minutes before the police arrived,” her cousin told Al Arabiya.
He said the murderer snuck into the house on Wednesday morning from the back garden.
“The garden has no fence so he was able to break the glass of the kitchen window right away and apparently he did so without making a noise.”
Hussein added that the attacker then reached for the window handle, opened it, and got inside.
“He did so after watching Shaima’s husband drive away with four of the children he was taking to school. Only Shaima and her eldest daughter Fatima stayed in the house. Fatima was asleep.”
The murderer, Hussein recounted, saw Shaima in the dinning room and attacked her with an iron rod or a spanner.
“He first hit her on her forehead then on her right ear. The third strike was on the back of her head. This was followed by five fast and consecutive strikes on her head and shoulders.”
Shaima, Hussein said, lost consciousness, upon which the attacker left the house.
“Because the attack was fast, the eldest daughter Fatima, who was asleep in the upper floor, did not hear a thing and only found out when she woke up and went downstairs to see her mother’s body drenched in blood.”
WMG-21 you don't know much about the Shiite muslims do you. Do you know any thing about sharia law, if you did you wouldn't trust what your reading in this article as being true for being a hate crime other then the hate between the husband and wife. I'm sure she kept her mouth closed about what really happened if she ever even had a chance to talk after being beat.
Sounds like maybe a family honor crime which Muslims are noted for overseas that someone is trying to pass off as a hate crime.
Alawadi's murder by beating is being investigated as a hate crime because of the note found by her body. The DA is obviously keeping a close eye on this case not being botched because of the media attention currently on the Trayvon Martin case. It's quite possible that this is indeed a hate crime - I only hope her killer will be brought to swift justice.
people continue to say disgusting things,the world is what it is..
I am confused between this Christian... God is love... and Muslims ...Religion of peace?
I would have to agree. The daughter upstairs was sleeping. If she heard a struggle, she wasn't going to say anything. There were no signs of forced entry. Chances are this woman knew her killer and let them in. In which case it would not be considered a hate crime. I'm telling you the police needs to look at the husband. I bet you it was him or someone he knows who did this and yes, I do think it was an honor killing.
Stay on topic. This doesn't have anything to do with christians. I'm tired of liberals thinking everything has to do with it being a christian's fault. Why don't I just say that Zimmerman was probably an atheist?
Unhappy, if the husband was going to kill her and leave a note, don't you think he would have finished the job? She died in the hospital from her injuries. It's quite possible she opened the door for someone and went down without a sound on the first blow, especially if she was unprepared. Thank god the animals didn't beat her daughter too.
ANY BS story to keep your minds of mush off the truly important things in this country to worry about.
If this is a hate crime, then I have a nipple on each one of my butt cheeks.
The fact is that we the public don't know enough facts to make any justified & fair guesses. In any case, it's sad that Ms. Alawadi was murdered. Whoever did it should be brought to 'justice'. Let's not fan any flames. Let's wait for more facts to come out.
Exactly, she opened the door because she recognized the person. This is a muslim neighborhood. If it were a hate crime, then someone else would have recognized a person who was not from their ethnic background. For example, if you go into an neighborhood filled with any majority ethnic group, such as jewish , indian , hispanic, etc. someone will notice that you are not from their neighborhood. That is just common sense. The fact that no one noticed anything different is what makes this so odd.
Yay! Now forever after whenever any crime happens anywhere we can be secure in the knowledge that some mouth-breathing yokel will rhetorically ask some comment section somewhere where is Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson because apparently they are the hate crime Batman and Robin now who have to be everywhere for every doubter to invoke Tawana Brawley and make some dumbass remark about universal black criminality.
Thanks for keeping it real (bigoted) ignorant knee jerks!
Now wait a minute. Flames were fanned for Trayvon. Maybe someone can explain to me what is the @!$%#ing difference? Ten thousand black people marching? The idea that we have been told that all muslims are bad? Would it have made a difference if Trayvon was muslim?
This is just sad!
And Ciewywtb42mh6sps-23 who are the bigots?
Yes, TSHANNY, I couldn't agree more. What better way to cover up a crime. And to make it believable, a hate note was left near the woman.
Did the note carry a signature? Of course not; so it could be anybody's note. A person who bore a grudge against the woman. Or a community or family honor killing? This is common in Pakistan; if the dead woman had walked past a factory full of men, unaccompanied by a male relative, that's it!
From the way the mother of the deceased reacted - chest beating defiance - they are not forgiving but seek vengeance (against their imagined so-called hate perpetrators).
The daughter of the deceased was even more defiant, even speculating that it could be due to the HIjab her mother was fond of wearing, and supposedly addressing her perceived white perpetrator or perpetrators, declared they will never back down but will continue to wear the Hijab or headscarf!
That said, they showed some goodwill, at first, by saying the majority of the family believed it could be anything; but since there was a note 'saying - "go back to your country, you are terrorists' they were inclined to believe it could be hate crime.
The deceased's son even pretended to sympathize with Trayvon Martin's tragic death, seeking to demonize further their presumed American hate perpetrator or perpetrators.
These people clearly are not peaceful people; but are time bombs wherever they go or stay. All it take is for some of their family or community members to be robbed, raped or beaten - by whoever it makes no difference - they are sure to cry wolf!
These people want to go and stay in people's country but they don't want to assimilate. They are insensitive. But they perpetually want others to be sensitive to their rights and feelings.
If you allow these people to emigrate and settle in your country, be prepared to learn to be as patient as superhuman beings, for these will perpetually test your patience.
I am talking here about a small incident. But already they display an attitude that's hard to predict what they will do in revenge if they want revenge.
It's ridiculous that they reacted this way even though they are admittedly not sure if it was hate crime. So they speculated that it might be due the Muslim headscarf, to win more sympathy and understanding for their provcative and defiant statements. And justification for their overboard reaction?
This automatically brings to my mind, the plight of an American of Libyan origin who blasted the FBI for 'torturing' him with their endless interviews to get to the bottom of why he got on the no-fly list. After he managed to come home, instead of understanding the FBI officers were only doing their job to make America safe, he claimed he was abused and singled out for his religion, and vowed to sue. He was defiant to the end. Combative and unforgiving. Are you surprised?
Even his children and wife went on cry-baby sprees and found some naive (sucker) Americans - about a dozen - of old ladies and men who thought it would better to be in the good book of Muslims than..and took to the streets with a few banners chiding the FBI.Unknowingly, though, by their foolish action they embolden these Middle Eastern people and jeopardize America's future generations!
SyriaInTurmoil
One thing you should know is that this story came out a few days ago and this womans husband trained our soldiers to deal with the culture over there so they could come home safe.
Derek-908696 regarding your "...it was odd to see the daughter on tv talking of her mothers death and showed no emotion, no tears (this a culture thing I'm misunderstanding?). "
From the article, "We're not going to cry, if that's what you wanted. We're not going to take off our scarf, if that's what you wanted," Alawadi's eldest daughter, Fatima, said at the vigil, addressing her mother's killer.
people seem to be forgetting that Sharpton only got involved with the Martin killing after the police had closed there investigation and chosen to let the confessed killer walk free. the police in San Diego are still investigating and have come to no conclusions yet. there is certainly no one who has confessed to doing it, made a lame-ass excuse, and then been told "ok, don't worry about it"- unlike the Florida case
Why is this post collapsed? How childish; there's nothing offensive in this thread, unless for some reason you WANT to believe it is a hate crime.
@ Allie - it is surprising that morons can see connections at all, but not surprising that they see connections that don't exist. I read through a bunch of posts about the Martin killing, and at least half the people did not realize that the whole thing exploded because the cops didn't do their job. Most of them did not want to realize it.
Here, already, people are accusing the media of spotlighting this: if the media mentions the murder of someone non-white/non-christian, the media are automatically following an agenda and mounting an attack on ... whatever, the white aryan christian nation or something.
Here, nobody knows. It could be a hate killing, it could be an honor killing, it could be your basic angry husband, it could be a psycho who wanted her but couldn't have her.... Nobody knows. Despite that in this forum we have the usual confederacy of dunces announcing that it is this or it is that or it is not the other.
When I was a teenager, I asked an old guy (about 50) why we had so many social problems that we couldn't solve. He said, "Because people are stupid." I didn't believe it. Now, some 50 years later, it looks like he was right. All our problems can be traced to one simple fact: the average IQ of Americans is about 89.
@ newstart2012
The software they have that allows collapsing of posts is no good. Most posts are collapsed for no reason but spite. I also think some people have learned to game it.
Which means the people who manage these forums - well, see my previous post.
P.S.
just so you know, there is no such thing in society as a "new start."
@ JimD
Now, that is why posts should get collapsed.
John, unfortunately you've got it wrong. that "reporting" about the victim's husband having been some kind of cultural advisor or trainer with the U.S. military, apparently just flat out false. According to family sources he hasn't worked at all in the past 18 years! And neither did the victim. The whole family has been on welfare in the U.S. since 1993 when they were brought here from Saudi Arabia.
Adam44
Link?
Ok. There is some wild material in this story from Al Arabiya: http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/03/27/203513.html
In post 1.44 I wrote;
I gather that info from what the victim's cousin says in that article from Al-Arabiya. However, if the husband did work with the U.S. military, as some stories have reported, then it is plausible that even the victim's brother would not know about it. So I'm going to take back that certainty that the family has been on welfare since 1993. I just can't be sure about that based on what the cousin "thinks" he knows.
Elk Meadow post 1.11. George Zimmerman behaved the same after the shooting. Showed no emotion, no tears and most posters on his story were saying basically that his behavior was proof postive that he was a cold blooded killer. Not shock, emotional shutown after a traumatic event, but behavior of a killer. Why is it the same behavior here seen differently?
I have to agree that it looks more like the husband. In muslim culture the woman has no value and is simply a burden to the male that his religion and community expect him to take on. Since when do WASPs or any other americans attack the women as the likely terrorist suspect???? and ignore the husband. And like other's attack would not likely take place at home. It was the husband or other male family member. And I don't say this just because their muslim. In white families and black families and families all over the world - it's the husband. Why they can stomach murder and not divorce is an issue that needs to be addressed in this world we live.
oh well just another day in califorina and florida...oh MSNBC...do a little dirt dig'n in arkansas...or some other state every now and then...ya' weiners...
I have to say, you are making an assumption that she opened the door for anyone. I don't always lock my doors when I'm home, despite living in a city setting- I was raised in the country and we just didn't lock doors- it's a bad habit I've brought with me through life. One day a drunk man just walked in the door and asked where he was. Scared the crap out of me. I didn't, and wouldn't open the door for a stranger- but if the door is unlocked they can just walk in.
What I want to know is when a white person is murder by some minority that the liberals will be screaming hate crime. OH, I am sorry but most liberals just think that we deserve it and it must be our own fault anyway. If they took the husband's car away, he probably murdered her people. I wished the liberals would just grow up.
Must admit my first thoughts were cover up also. This is the first I would of ever heard of someone being killed in America simply because they were Muslim. Although the truth remains to be seen, I believe this was a crime of passion, or sharia,not hate.
Seems to me I have read much more about honor killings(Muslim on Muslim crime) than Muslims being killed over their religion by Americans, or the KKK, or the like. Most hate filled groups do not operate this way anymore, and bark much more than they bite, with the exception of a rogue yahoo, who steps out on his own to do some hate crimes.
There is a lot about this case , that does not pass the smell test; the weapon used, the letter left (to put suspicion elsewhere_), knowing the victim will be home alone at that time (many in family); and now a report that the husband has not been employed for years (if true then there must be a physical or psychological reason); a whole lot of unanswered questions !
norm903 Comment collapsed by the community
How are the Iraqis going to rebuild their country if we let them come over here to resettle instead of staying put to create a better reality there? Who is left behind besides the terrorists and theocracists(sp)? Sending them back to fight for their rights as Iraqi citizens is the right thing to do if we are sincer about nation building and creating democracy in the ME as opposed to abandoning the area to muslim horrors.
___________________________________________________________________________________
Let me get this straight...These people need to stay home and fight for their rights there. Now what if our ancestors that fled England to be free should have stayed over there to fight instead. Well, I guess the Indians would have been happier, the people that became slaves would have been left in Africa and maybe would be happier, Mexico would probably still own most of the country from Kansas to California. Maybe you think we should all pack up and go back to where our ancestors came from? Not sure where I would go since I have so many different countries involved. Wow, sound complicated!!!!!
Now before you all attack I am being sarcastic and love the melting pot aspect of this country.
Why don't you try and educate yourself on the world at large instead of showing everyone how stupid you are?
1. Jesse Jackson and Louis Farrakhan don't need to protect minority rights. (Whatever the hell that means)
2. Minority by number not by class.
3. Who cares when the story first came to light?
4. And what exactly is an honorable Muslim?
Narrow minded bigots like you should have to carry a special ID/Drivers license.
The truth is no one will know if it was a hate crime until the cops find out who did it. They will probably explore both the possibility of a hate crime AND the husband killing her.... if they are good cops they will anyway.
I'm not making any judgements on this case. It's too early for that.
But, I gotta admit, the "left a note" thing struck a false note with me, as well.
To me, this seems to be a crime of passion. I can't see the perpetrator of such an act taking the time to sit down and write a note BEFORE committing it, much less AFTER.
To me, it seems more likely that such a message would be scrawled on a wall or the floor.
This isn't the 1st time an Iraqi killed his wife in Cal if true ! The last time he fled back to Iraq to escape punishment !
The Cops will get to the bottom of this !
If it is a hate crime it would be a sick person that would do this !
The husband did it as part of an honor killing Or she allowed herself to be killed as a martyr to keep @!$%# alive between muslims and white christians. Any religeon that can allow someone to blow themselves up to kill no-one in the name of allah is capable of anything.
Nice of MSNBC to FINALLY headline this case. This is something to be upset about! Where are the mobs?
We're waiting for someone she knew .... to be named.
This ain't no hate crime.
NAACP does not care about her; Arabs are not of a color that fits into their "Rainbow".
Everybody knows blacks don't like Arabs, and Arabs don't like blacks.
Jackson and Sharpton are too busy trying to get another color they don't represent executed for protecting himself.
The "Reverends" will make sure that the Hispanic young man is executed weather he is guilty or not, or I can assure you, they will see to it that blood will be spilled with a mere downward glance and a negative head-shake.
NAACP, AND RAINBOW COALITION ARE FOR BLACKS ONLY. A black rainbow !!!
Of course, they must keep a couple of other minorities around to make themselves look good, but they don't really do anything for them.
Instead of "Reverends" they should really be called "Fascists".
Is those one of those "I'm not a racist" comments we hear so much about? On what level exactly should the NAACP be involved at this point?
There are too many questions.
I remember other news stories, where the hate crime evidence turned out that the letter or the graffiti was actually done by the victim or someone close to her.
No mobs needed because the El Cajon PD is actually doing their jobs and investigating this case properly unlike what happened in the Trayvon Martin case which wasn't. Thus there's no need for the NAACP to get involved because justice is being served in this woman's murder. And again because of the note left next to her, this points to a hate crime.
oh great just what we need, more idiots crying hate crimes
No mobs because at this point nobody has any idea who did it. It could have been someone she knew, perhaps even another Iraqi, who made it look like a hate crime in any attempt to throw the police off his or her trail. I'm sure the cops are taking that rather obvious possibility into account. You cannot really compare this to the Trayvon Martin case because in that case the guy who did it readily admitted it.
Frankly, if I didn't already know how emotional people from her culture can be, as I've shared my own home with Arabs, I would suspect her husband just because of his "over the top" hugging her corpse while weeping. If a fourth generation American did that I would assume it was an act. With Iraqi immigrants it could be genuine. I'm sure the police have investigated him though since the spouse is generally the first person they suspect.
i read this on le monde like 5 days ago and wondered, why isn't the media picking up on this?
If you are going to live in America (by choice I might add) then dress like an American. Pretty simple really. Would you go to Iraq and walk around in a mini skirt?
Last time I checked websites for statistics: in U.S.A., 30% to 40% of murders of women are by someone they are intimate with; in the early 1990's, 78% of women who were victims of non-fatal violent crime knew their attacker.
Scott-2632503, how does an American dress? Headdress? Moccasins?
Hate crime?? I'm sure it was a Love Crime. Because that's all christians do... love love love! Their mythical jesus creature tells them to love their neighbors, to turn their cheek, to love love love. And that's all they do! They love muslims... they love women... whoa! they love gays and lesbians to death!! christians just love love love all the day long! aren't they just wonderful!!
There has never been so much "hate" as when the Democrat took over control of our government.
The Left perpetuates hate, lives on hate, doles out hate, lives & breathes hate.
The emergence of "hate" goes hand and hand with the Democrat party.
We have never heard all this "talk and claims" of there being any "hate" when the Dems were kept away from power. Nope, it wasn't this way before.
I agree.........what does "dress like an american"mean? My red white and blue suit? The beauty of america is that we should be able to dress how we would like without the fear of being beaten to death. I kind of thought that the "aw shucks" "good ol boy" days were over.
This can be an Honor Killing , is very common among Muslims, all is kept in secret.
Muslims, the fastest growing community? How is it possible, are they coming from Mexico too?
Okay is a melting pot of many cultures,by saying dress like an American holds no ground, beacuse this county is made up of many different types of people!!!!
@Willing.Sniper - Much like the Right, the Left actually perpetuates fear and additionally they promote dependence on the government for all things.
How many non-Muslims were murdered today in the United States? Hmmmm?
You see......extra claims of "hate" comes with Left-wing government control.They are filled to the brim with it.
Mtg303 - "No mobs needed" Exactly.
sonar guy ..... Everybody knows blacks don't like Arabs, and Arabs don't like blacks.
Actually Blacks don't like people like you.
Why is a hate crime so hard to believe, when it is so clear from this board how much Americans hate?
Scott, that is because god told them to dress that way as it is prescribed in the Quran, ofcourse, not all Muslim dress that way, only those who are religious and follow the book and the teaching of Muhammad. Now, in you religion if god told you to wear mini skirts at all time when you are outside of your home, then by all mean you can justify your action by religious believe.
two sides of extremes that have roots in hate, converting collateral damage for the cause. most people are not the stereotype, and have a real life going on not the superficial greed of the airwaves, those who seek to make people anywhere for any reason collateral damage need to be redressed with change and accountability.
willing-dumbo
Dude, you have your head in a spot that precludes the need for a colonoscopy.
@Scott-2632503
"If you are going to live in America (by choice I might add) then dress like an American. Pretty simple really. Would you go to Iraq and walk around in a mini skirt?"
We have a thing called the Constituion, it grants citizens the freedom of expression and religion. You should look it up sometimes. Iraq doesn't have a Constitiuon, they have sharia law, that is why no one wears a mini skirt there. "Dress like an American," is that the type of law you want in the U.S.? What next? Don't wear a hoodie?
Bernitch - Actually, Christians are commanded by God to love. Consider the following verses:
Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
Matthew 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Matthew 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
Matthew 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
In verse 44, the Lord Jesus Christ mentions that all persons are to love, regardless of what another person does or says that which brings displeasure to He who sent the Son. It is necessary to fulfill what is spoken of in verse 48, thereby, bringing pleasure to the Father. Whether or not you believe this, God says what He means, and means what He says. Peace be with you.
gee glad no one is over generalizing here. first off i didn't know that americans dress a certain way. i though people were free to dress however they want to in the u.s. and the now blacks hate arabs and arabs hate blacks.
I have serious doubts about this being a hate crime. Some things about it just do not add up. First of all,m this woman was in here own home at the time and there are no signs of forced entry. This would seem to indicate that she knew her attacker and let them in. The other thing that does not make sense is that the 17 year old daughter was supposedly in the house when this happened, supposedly upstairs asleep. I do not buy anyone sleeping through it while someone is beaten to death downstairs. There would have been a lot of noise and at least some initial outcries from the mother when she was first attacked that would wake up any normal person. This makes me suspicious that there is more to this story. Is it possible that this is some kind of family dispute that escalated out of control or as possibly some kind of honor killing?!?! Maybe something else was going on or the woman was involved in something that got her killed?!?! Then the family figured with all anti-muslim sentiment they could cover it up by making this out to be some kind of hate crime. I just do not buy that someone could come into a predominantly middle eastern neighborhood and go into a this woman's house to attack her without being noticed. Outsiders tend to stand out and get noticed in neighborhoods like these. Also, this type off attack with this woman apparently being singled out sounds far more like a personally motivated attack, not a racially motivated hate crime.
It is good that the police are not jumping to the any conclusions here, because I think there is far more to this story than what we are getting from the family right now. Hopefully a full investigation will reveal what really happened here.
One thing about this story that bothers me has to do with the woman being called a martyr by her husband. What made her a martyr!?!? Was she really some kind of jihadi and is that what got her killed?!?! The average person that dies is not called a martyr, only those who die fighting for something are refered to as martyrs. So, what was she fighting for and ho was she fighting against?!?! Maybe answers to those questions will tell us why she was killed. Of course the other possibility is that this calling her a martyr is just meaningless rhetoric from her husband because he is claiming she was killed by someone from the great satan andd he saw his wife as a soldier in their holy jihad for Islam which all muslims seem to feel they are part of these days! So much for the religion of peace!
Another question I have is that they came to this country to live, claiming they wanted to be Americans. Then when this woman dies they ship her body all the way back to Iraq for burrial. The reality is that they do not want to be Amricans, they want to move here and take over the land but still maintain their own way of doing things, their own laws, their own culture, etc. They do not want to assimilate and become Americans, following the laws and customs of this country. They want us to bend over backwards to accomodate them so that they can force their way of doing things down our throats.
One of our greatest Presidents Theodore Roosevelt summed up nicely in an 1894 article on immigration what this means and how this should be viewed.
"We must Americanize in every way, in speech, in political ideas and principles, and in their way of looking at relations between church and state. We welcome the German and the Irishman who becomes an American. We have no use for the German or Irishman who remains such... He must revere only our flag, not only must it come first, but no other flag should even come second." ----- (NOTE: This goes for ALL "nationalities"! German and Irish then, Mexican and Middle Eastern Muslim today.)
And a second quote from a letter Theodore Roosevelt wrote just before he died.
"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birthplace or origin. But this is predicated upon the man’s becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American.
"If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn't doing his part as an American.
bernitch, what does this have to do with christianity? Stick with the topic and don't get sidetracked because it makes you look stupid.
No, actually, they follow the words of an unprovable, mythical cult book that claims to be the product of a god. but there is no proof that their god creature exists, or that it commands them to do anything.
They just belong to another one (of many) -- "my cult is the right one, yours is the wrong one..." clubs.
cheers!
Hi Vic. Pay attention. There are many comments here about christians and muslims. Pull your head out, please.
Cheers, punkin!
Some food for thought: If this was a "hate crime", why wasn't the house trashed? No signs of forced entry? No sexual assault? Just a note? Awfully thoughtful of the "criminal(s)". Gonna haveta call shenanigans on this one.
AND The muslim Son Of A Bitch that killed the Americans in Fort Hood is still ALIVE. SSDD for hate crimes. Could it have been another muslim? They have no qualms about killing their own for political gain.
Right now, I'm seeing all kinds of speculation as to the possible suspects. None of us were there. The local authorities, with the Feds, are conducting a thorough investigation. It will take time, as it always does, as they want to make sure there is enough to convict the person(s) they arrest and bring to trial. Let them do their job.
How can this be a hate crime if you love to do it. Robert Bales at his finest!! CNN ask the Marine sniper in an interview "what does it feel like after you've killed a terrorist" The Marine answers RECOIL!!!
GOD BLESS OUR SNIPERS EACH AND EVERYONE. I have the tee-shirt to prove it.
Hate crime? It seems to me you need to find out who did it first, then determine motive. If her husband did it is it a hate crime?
And what is your point Trevor? All of the scriptures you pointed out means nothing to the masses. If those scriptures were the guiding light for America and the Christian world there would not be so many wars. Just yesterday I was reflecting on all of the wars since my birth in 1955 and I was truly depressed to count so many that were public knowledge not to mention those that were under the radar as those described to my by my cousin who retired as a Sergeant Major. Wars fought over bananas, over sugar and so forth that were intentionally kept off the public airwaves. I say your biblical quotes are what they are quotes and not some magic bullet. Just look at our past historical presence on this continent. Wars are King Cotton while our domestic being is second or maybe third order. I for one find what you have listed as poetic and not reality. Just the way it is unless you are a politician trying to get votes. Fact.
This article was posted because the media loves to stir up the masses. They succeded in getting to their target audience: YOU. You should look up what a hate crime constitutes before you display your ignorance like a badge.
before we put the lable hate on this muder, iam almost certain that the husband beat her to death, these women have no rights as it is. and anyone can write a note to throw the attention off the true reason.
If it wasn't a hate crime, well it certainly wasn't a love crime.
Wow, from these comments I can see there are a lot of ignorant people in San Diego.
Bernitch, many or some of theses comments......... Please don't distort the figure because it makes you look more stupid. Most of the some are posted from you. Get that foot out of your mouth before you trip over it or choke on it.......
LOL...cracks me up how obsessed you are with all my posts! You're sitting around, scanning the Vine, counting my posts, trying to distinguish some difference between the word "many" and "some". Whereas many could be any number!! LMFAO!!
Wow, I've really got a lot of space rented in your head. Too funny...
I think JS in SD has hit the nail on the head!
From the get go I have wondered about why someone would select a tire iron as a weapon. Doesn't basic criminology go on the premise that a violent crime like beating and stabbing usually indicates a personal connection to the victim?
Also, San Diego is home to many military personnel, both active and retired. There has been some suggestion in the media that a returning PTSD suffering person could have done this. If that was the case, wouldn't the method of death be a bit cleaner? There is no shortage of unregistered weapons in SoCal and a Navy Seal or Marine wouldn't need to be so primitive.
Lastly, if this woman's family are recent immigrants, like many of the Iraqi community in that area, I believe they are not allowed to acquired guns until full US citizens - which would make finding a firearm more challenging - so using a tire iron could be a solution to finding a weapon. I lean towards family members not liking something she has done or using the current media focus on race as a way to kill her and "turn down" unwanted focus on them. Whatever comes out in the wash, it's a rotten thing to have happened
Of course it does, although there are serial killers who have done such things to total strangers. But I don't really want to scare everybody in the San Diego area with such speculation. It won't be a serial killer unless it happens to other middle aged women.
There is also the strange detail of her daughter apparently being in the house while she was being beaten. Wouldn't someone engaged in a hate crime have taken it out on her too? Hmmmm
Odds are this was a hate crime = Her husband hated her, and he beat her to death.
Usually when a woman is killed in her own home, it is her husband or boyfriend that did it. With no evidence of any strangers being there, and no forced entry, the husband is looking very suspicious.
When you consider these things you need to stop relating everything to your situation. Just because your husband wants to beat you do death, doesn't mean all husbands beat their wives.
There is no such thing as a hate crime. That is a made up term for certain segments of the population to try and impose their viewpoints in situations that they deem need correcting.
In this case, there is no hate crime, since that term is made up. It is a crime, period. It does not matter if you murder somebody because they screwed you in a business deal or because you don't like the color of their eyes. It is murder. That is it. Let the court system take care of it, and get rid of this politically correct b.s. terminology.
In crime and law, hate crimes (also known as bias-motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group, usually defined by racial group, religion, sexual orientation, disability, class, ethnicity, nationality, age, sex, gender identity, social status or political affiliation.
Guess what Pat . You just made it a hate crime again. You say there is no such thing as hate crimes. Maybe I hate people wHo believe this way and want to kill them all? Would that mean ,You could be next? God you are stupid!
So a hate crime is only different from a regular crime, based on motive?
That kind of stance shouldn't be the standard: a crime is a crime, if you attack or kill someone, it's flat out wrong, WHY shouldn't make a difference.
Amen!
once a repub, with thinking like that i see why you went to the liberal side.
Agreed on no such thing as hate crime.
If you kille some one you should die, and soon, no matter what the reason, too many idiotic laws now, to cover the feel good libs.
You murder ---you die. life would be much better,
oncearepub
Nice call jerk!!!! If you were able to comprehend what you read then you would see he is saying that murder is murder - to try and satisfy a particular sector of our society is wrong. I personally, think that having DUI laws fit the same lame excuse to have that law. If you are driving recklessly it is irrelevant if you are drunk or sober - you are still a menace to other drivers and should be arrested, regardless of what you are under.
When you take a life, you destroy humanity.
We differentiate between crimes related to terrorism and non-terrorism. Aren't all violent crimes a form of terrorism?
I think a hate crime is a form of terrorism.
exactly, Pat......a "hate crime" is a recently conjured up term to bestow special protection for certain groups. Of course, whites don't fall into that "protected" category.
Under the guidance of Eric Holder and Obama (both racists), the DOJ is inappropriately using the "violation of civil rights" law to go after people whom they couldn't otherwise prosecute under regular laws of murder, etc. A perfect example of this is the recently imprisoned Border Patrol Agent who was cleared by two seperate investigations only to be prosecuted under "civil rights" violation (of an illegal drug smuggler nonetheless) in order to appease the Mexican government and the Hispanic constituency in America.
"hate crimes" prosecution just gives them more ammo to go after people who commit crimes against someone of another race, unless the person violated is white.
I agree that murder is murder, but there are still certain acts that are in themselves expressions of hatred or intimidation. Examples include burning a cross on a black person's lawn or painting swastikas on a synagogue. Neither of these acts involves a crime per se more serious than vandalism and tresspassing, but the more serious crime is attempting to intimidate an entire ethnic group or religion. I think the hate crime laws should only pertain to this sort of thing, and not a crime like murder which is already a capital crime.
Confucius,
why wouldn't the motive matter? Motive is the first thing you establish in a murder investigation once a suspect has been brought it. For what reason would this person have killed the victim? The very first question that is asked almost every time. When you kill, assault, or commit some other crime based upon the nationality, ancestry, or gender of another individual it is correctly labeled a hate crime. You committed that crime because you hate whatever bias group the victim fell under.
If a Black supremacist kills a White guy because he is White, that is a hate crime. If a fanatical Christian kills an abortion doctor because his or her practice, that is a hate crime . Hate crimes should be punished greater then normal crimes to, along with proper education, continue the fight to stamp out bigotry, racism, and sexism.
Yeah -- you and your KKK buddies would love that.
That's EXACTLY what it is, and exactly why it is classified in the manner it is, and exactly why it is prosecuted. Someone else here said something stupid like "only the crime itself (like killing someone) is what matters. WHY they did it isn't important..." And that is another MORONIC statement. Criminal intent (WHY someone commits a crime) is a critical element in establishing the overall burden of proof, and in sentencing.
Too many uneducated redneck morons just can't seem to understand these kinds of salient details. They need to stay in ther little sandboxes...
"In crime and law, hate crimes (also known as bias-motivated crimes) occur when a perpetrator targets a victim because of his or her perceived membership in a certain social group, usually defined by racial group, religion, sexual orientation, disability, class, ethnicity, nationality, age, sex, gender identity, social status or political affiliation."
So, what ISN'T a hate crime? My "social status" usually shows that I MIGHT have ten bucks in my pocket. Someone around the corner can really hate me for that...
All crimes against others are hate crimes. No victim is "special". Period. All those "hate" laws, without exception, serve only conniving political manipulations, and nothing else.
As for this particular case - my sincere condolences to the family of Shaima Alawadi. May she rest in peace.
And may the perpetrator(s) be found and punished swiftly!
So, when the KKK lynches someone, or drags a black guy behind their pick-up truck until he is dead, and these acts send terror and fear into that victim's racial group ----- you're saying that should no longer be a critical factor (terrorizing a whole population of people) because, in this case, it was a murder??
what nonsense...
jesus h nipple on a biscuit. I'll never understand how some of you think.
Keep trying, Very Awed. Someday (perhaps) you'll accidentally trip over a concept called Critical Thinking.
Yes, edub, they do. And there is case law to prove that.
No need to tell lies to make a point here. Especially lies that can be easily researched and debunked. It's just makes you look like someone who has no integrity.
And, for the whiney little twaddles that will screech "prove it, prove it!" -- just go look at the FBI criminal statistics.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2010/narratives/hate-crime-2010-victims
Among the single-bias hate crime incidents in 2010, 17.7 percent were victims of an anti-white bias.
Cheers!
To the no-hate-crime crowd: Of course there are hate crimes, numbnuts. Of course motive matters when adjudicating a killing. I'm surprised you idiots haven't watched enough TV to know that.
@Bernitch - they have no integrity. What they do have is lies. A few are duped and retell lies they've heard on Fux and its ilk. Some are driven by their passions - akin to hatreds - to lie. Some are lying to bamboozle the stupid, aka the republican base, in the interests of their lords and masters.
Meanwhile, we shouldn't forget, they're helping Sanatorium and the other church ladies to beat back...could it be... SATAN.
The only things that can be honestly said about this crime is (a) no one out here in mediaville knows who did it or why, and (b) it appears as if the police are doing their jobs.
Are you telling me that hate crimes do not exist, and that there are only crimes? I remember when 9/11 happened a lot of Sheiks were being attacked. Sheiks are not even Muslim, but they wear turbans. What do they have to do with 9/11? Nothing, but they were still being attacked right. Why? Because either people could not differentiate between Muslims and Sheiks or they found an opportunity to take out their anxieties against the people of that religion. Hate crimes do exist, it is a crime motivated by racism just as domestic violence is crime motivated by a domestic partner.
The problem here is that there is only one known thing which points to a "hate" crime: the note(s). Who writes notes before they kill someone? Someone who knows the victim and is trying to make it seem like someone else (in this case. a bigot) did the deed. But we are going to find out soon enough that this was done by someone she knew.
Hate crimes are quite real and not simply generic "crimes". They are specifically aimed at whatever group of people for whatever sick reason and generally quite gruesome if murder or particularly cruel if not. They are very specific and different from ordinary crimes and therefore laws quite justly exist defining them as separate and distinct from ordinary crimes. It cannot always of course be 100% clear that a crime is specifically a hate crime, but its generally evident. Honestly, the perpetrators who are caught are often quite proud to announce it was simply a hate crime that they committed.
I believe the reason they give special attention to "hate" crimes is that they instill fear in entire groups of people. When a person is targeted because of who they are (race, religion, sexual orientation, etc) it terrorizes entire communities who worry that they will be next. Also, many hate crimes are linked back to organizations that encourage such actions and have many members so even if one is imprisoned, there are 10 more to take their place. Most(though not all) other violent crimes are commited in the heat of the moment with little consideration to the outcome and once the perpetrator is in jail people feel safe again.
I think people should probably with hold pointing fingers at the husband until the police have concluded their investigation. At least this department seems to be doing their job. I'd hope whatever monster beat this poor woman to death gets what's coming to him(or her).
People often don't get it without a visual.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Duluth-lynching-postcard.jpg
Check out this kind of hate crime. Do you think this sort of activity TERRORIZES a specific group of people? Of course it does! These were upstanding, god-fearing christian white males in the 1920's doing this. Killing. And the killing was done to also terrorize an entire population of people. The whole time, justifying their hatred and murder with BuyBull scriptures. Much like the BuyBull-thumpers today justify their hatred and killing with "god says so" scriptures they pull out of the BuyBull.
Some things change, but some things stay the same. It's weird how people like victormuro, and others, dismiss this very concept... pretty sad folks.
Well, since murder is ALREADY a capital crime in most states, just what else do you suggest we do to punish the KKK killer more than just executing him? Bring in starving lions? Torture? Maybe hang his dead body from a tree to be devoured by ravens?
The problem many of us are having with "hate crimes" is that it is applied specially and unequally. Nobody would say a serial rapist-murderer who's preferred victims were white women was guilty of a "hate crime" although he obviously hates women. The black kids who allegedly set a white kid on fire haven't been charged with a "hate crime" so far as I know. Such laws send the message that some lives are more worthy than others, and that's just plain wrong. You are just as dead whether someone kills you because he wants to rape you and leave no witness to testify or if he does it because he doesn't like the color of your skin. BOTH are manifestations of sheer hate. Both leave behind grieving friends, co-workers, and family. OTOH, the judge or jury should be allowed to consider motive as one factor when it comes to sentencing.
BTW, when is the last time the KKK lynched anyone? Do they even still exist anymore? The FBI waged an effective campaign to put them out of business without the benefit of any hate crime legislation.
Yep. Nearly 100 years ago.
That sounds like hate speech against religious people to me. Just saying...
I don't recall seeing too many killings of nonchristians by Christians in the 21st century so far. And I'd notice, being Jewish and all.
Oom ponder this. American Indian women as specifically targeted for rape by outsiders to the reservations. Now these outsiders cannot be prosecuted by American Indian tribal courts because a law was passed almost 100 years ago forbidding tribal courts, law enforcement, etc to arrest and try these vermin for any criminal offense as though the tribes might carry out an unjust sentence due to vengeance. Only the FBI has jurisdiction over non-native people for crimes committed on reservations. In turn the FBI will not take the time to investigate and bring to justice these crimes against American citizens. Now why do you think these outsiders target American Indian women on reservations? In turn would one not deduce these heinous events were hate crimes since they target only one race of people and not by pure accident but you never hear of any of these perpetrators being charged with a hate crime. Does this make sense to you?
regarding the comments as to why there is a difference between a given crime & a hate crime designation. It's the law of the land & is in fact a statute. Not all beatings result in death. If a person targets another because of their color, or because their gay for instance & this can be proven, than the penalty is a greater punishment than simply battery of a person. Murder is murder no doubt. However if the "Hate crime" statute is invoked years are added to the sentence.
If hate crime is a conjured up term so is racist.
It's entirely possible that fellow Muslims killed her
Check this out:
I had a link there to another news outlet; they deleted it.
Yeah, they did it to mine too. Wonder why?
It's deleted because you haven't posted on this site long or often enough, or you have a track record of having to be disciplined for post violations.
I can't remember how long I posted before I could get links to post, but the moderator will inform you when you get posting privileges.
not true, it was deleted because we are being fed information only info that they want us to have,
hasn't any one else but me noticed that there is a news black out lately?
my wife thought i was going nuts,, but now that she has watched for a couple of weeks,
even she sees it. wake up america!
when you see a breaking news item, research it, i did
some were as old as 1 year old and made to look like it just happened.
OMFG Thomas! I wasn't sure -- but then you said YOUR WIFE NOTICED IT!!
OMFG...OMFG...OMFG!! If your WIFE noticed it, then it's a FACT!!!
Thomas -- did your wife peek through the curtains and see the lady across the street wiggle her nose, and make things disappear, too?
Thomas--did your.........
Take away the rn and you have bewitch or just take away the ern and you have ...... That suits you better because you comment like a nagging ......
uh-oh. Vic -- are you still pissed-off at your mom? you really should let that anger go. grow up, punkin!
Wrong again, don't assume because you know where that leads to. You need to start using this chatroom properly so that most of your postings wont collapse, punkin......lol
the hateful, intolerant religious right ALWAYS collapse posts on the Vine. Nothing new. the book burning, book banning right-wing can be counted on to censor others and collapse posts all the time here. It doesn't bother me one bit.
You mean like the book burning/banning that was going in Germany before WWII or any other book banning that goes on around this turning sphere. Why are you assuming again in your 1st line? Maybe it isn't proper to post hatred on this site and just stick to the topic. Think about that 1 Bewitch.
Just stick to the topic. Now when a religious story is posted here then comment about religion until then, "STICK TO THE SUBJECT"
Read this whole thread, punkin (not just MY posts, which you are obsessed with). A lotta people and a lotta posts here commenting on religion!
Cheers!
It's entirely possible that you killed her
as per the headline, i dont know if it's a hate crime. you reporters are suppose to be answering that question.
Do you really believe that journalists are here to be the judge and jury of this case?
dan-654358
I think they did a decent job in this case of presenting the facts. It is not their job to reach a hypothesis, The article said the Muslims were wondering.
It does sound more to me like an honor killing frame-up though.
I hear that honor killings happens a lot in Dearborn, Michigan as well. Cops there are a little bit shady because most of them are muslim and they know a honor killing when they see one, but won't say anything.
There's really nothing new to report here except the "hoodies and hijabs" campaign. It's a ridiculous equation. I suspect that there has also been some pressure brought to bear on the media as to why they are not "covering" this story as intensely as they are the Martin case. Of course that's easy enough to answer: Nothing new has come out in recent days, and it's likely to turn out that this was a crime perpetrated NOT by some wild-eyed racist-bigot, but rather by someone the vicftim knew very or fairly well. Stay tuned.
It was not a hate crime. I sure she was beat to death out of love.
who gives a flying f-ck. i am so tired of hearib about 3rd world countries bitching after we help them. get over it and find a new life.
Where are all the people that come out begging for sympathy and understanding for people like the one who brutally killed 13 innocent civilians, mostly children and women in Afghanistan. Every comment, or almost evey one, I've seen so far has not condemned this based on what is known.
Iraq was attacked in a vicious crime against peace, 100,000 innocent people or more killed and/or maimed, at the least; the infrastructure destroyed, the economy destroyed, so who in the world could EVER give a flying f-ck about fascist, criminal uncaring monsters like you.
Amazing how there aren't 1,000's of black people marching for HER justice...
How often does the US State Department send condolences to American families of boys killed in Iraq or Astan? Really, I'd like to know.
A mother being beaten to death, in her home, is a terrible thing and the perps should be pursued relentlessly. But really, do we have national news stories, FBI and State Dept. involvement and people marching in the streets when a fundamental Christian is killed in a home invasion? This country is dying a slow death from terminal stupidity.
Logic please note the difference. They have not found her killer(s) yet. Zimmerman was arrested then released that same night and is not facing a trial. It is not Treyvon getting killed they are marching about, it is the fact that Zimmerman is not on trial for his actions.
Self defense is not a cop out, it does not exempt you from murder laws. It is a guilty plea submitted to a court that says yes, I did kill this person but I did so because my life was in danger. Same thing with that other case with the kid being covered in gas.
It is not the crime that is being protested it is the fact that the perpetrator and the victim are not getting the due process they are entitled to.
Ken 593675 ...who gives a flying f-ck. i am so tired of hearib about 3rd world countries bitching after we help them. get over it and find a new life.
Name a third world country that we really helped.
Amazing how nobody is. Well, not really (for this country)...
notacommie-1732574
"How often does the US State Department send condolences to American families of boys killed in Iraq or Astan? Really, I'd like to know.
A mother being beaten to death, in her home, is a terrible thing and the perps should be pursued relentlessly. But really, do we have national news stories, FBI and State Dept. involvement and people marching in the streets when a fundamental Christian is killed in a home invasion? This country is dying a slow death from terminal stupidity."
A lot I am sure, remember that guy Pvt. Danny Chen. He was bullied and he commit ed suicide. The second question it depends if it was a hate crime, if suddenly people started hating Christians and started attacking people of that faith generally. If suddenly there were anti-christian remarks as crimes were being committed. Then yes it is possible. But, it doesn't happen or goes un-reported because Christiantiy is the majority here in the U.S. compared to other religions.
LOGICisEZ123
"Amazing how there aren't 1,000's of black people marching for HER justice..."
No because they are too busy marching for the pending case of Tryvon Martin. Not to mention there are thousands of Arabs marching for her or atleast holding candles.
truthin, you're suspended for a week for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
.....as opposed to all the other murders done out of love and compassion....?
Hey, it happens!
you CAN love someone to death...
till death do you part
It is strange that she was singled out in a town with a majority middle eastern population. Could one her own have suspected her of being a terrorist? Believe it or not most Middle Eastern immigrants did not move here to blow us up, and might do something to someone they thought might want to.
Did you read the story. Her husband worked for the United States "kinda like a spy".
To posters making a statement that they are uncomfortable with her body being taken back to Iraq for burial. You are idiots. Burial with your family is a very comfortable feeling while you are alive. I want to be in a family plot, etc. Probably won't happen but that is what I want. I think it is nice that she is there. It was her home.
Do you know if they did an autopsy before releasing the body to the family?
I thought muslims required internment within 24 hours. How the hell can an autopsy have been conducted then have the body shipped all the back to iraq within 24 hours. I bet the authorities showed deference and allowed them to just take her home without gathering important information from her autopsy. Kow-towing to Muslims is the PC thing to do after all...just sayin'
Glenn, they just don't do that regardless of a person's religion, because violent crime is everybody's business, not just the family's. I would be horrified if they had allowed such a thing, which would be just plain illegal. I'm sure there are exceptions to Islamic law in the case of murder. In fact I'm not even sure if the 24 hour things is an actual religious law as opposed to a mere tradition.
This has been on the news here in San Diego for about a week now. Maybe hate crime or a burglary gone wrong.
(yes, Virginia, there are 'hate crimes' in America)
It's only bigotry and hatred, they want to deny that Christians could be capable of doing hate crimes against Muslims. They really ought to get to know a few Muslim families to see that they are every bit as devoted and loving as Christian families. How many White Christian husband;s will murder their wives this weekend? This month. Will it be labled an Honor Killing? Or simply murder.
Bob, You can scratch "burglary gone wrong" off of your list. What burglar would bash in someone's head with a tire iron and then sit down to write a threatening note? Very outlandish scenario, plus it is quite a leap from burglar to murderer.
Karin, in all likelihood (my opinion of course) this was neither a "hate crime," nor an "honor killing." It was probably a family member (or very close) who did the crime or had it done. For what reason, still unknown.
KAREN
There will be plenty of white christian men murdering their wives no doubt. The difference is they'll be doing it out of anger or selfishness, not because their holy scriptures tell them it is the correct thing to do as the Quran does.
Actually, the Qu'ran doesn't advocate murdering your wife, either.
Husband killed her and left fake notes to make it look like a hate crime and cover his tracks.
dont suppose you mind offering evidence for your conclusions? why bother, its just the way Muslims are right?
"To date, officers have served two search warrants on the family's home and they were seen carrying away bags of evidence. Neighbors said investigators also towed away a red Nissan van registered to the victim's husband, Kassim Alhimidi, 47."
@jackofspade, I see you do agree, you hit the nail on the head.
yep! He probably saved an old note that somebody actually left them some time in the past and it is probably what put the thought in his mind! I just do not see someone coming in their home to beat this woman just because they hated Muslims! I am betting the woman was sick of her husband holding her down! America is a Free nation yet some Muslim woman come here and see how free our beautiful American woman are and they end up wanting that freedom too! Their husbands don't want this because they want total control of their woman...like a jealous American man who beats his wife cause he thinks she is cheating even though she isn't! These Muslim men don't want other men to even see their wife's face, ankles, etc so imagine if their wife cheats on them!
We don't know. Not enough facts. If we want to be fair, we must wait for more info.
I'm very sure the homicide detectives are smart enough to figure out that possibility as part of their investigation.
@ Scott, where did you see the info about a 2nd warrant being served and those items being taken away? Can you link to it? thanks.
@Adam44, I read that also yesterday. Either on an earlier version of this article or over on a CNN article. It said the family home had been searched, articles bagged and carted away and a red SUV was towed away.
This is a shame, no wonder given the hate against the Muslims being spewed by the main stream news media and even the republican presidential candidates....some wacko reacted to it.....hate has no place in a civilized world.....
A good thing that you're not the lead detective in this case or the actual killer would get away.
since there were no signs of forced entry, it's likely to be an inside job. Either that, or an Arab killer masquerading as a door to door salesman. /sarcasm
Then again, I'm sure her family member really hated her when he or she was beating her to death with the tire iron. So in that sense, I guess it's a "hate crime".
All murders are "hate crimes," but not all "hate crimes" are murder. I appreciate the methodical approach the SD police are taking, while communicating to the public (via the media) how they are going about this (i.e. with an open mind). "The facts, lady. Just the facts..." May the family find comfort in this tragic loss. Salam fikoom.
Allah or his messenger or their acolyte beat her to death. Why? Because she JUST WOULDN'T LISTEN!
If those of you don't see hate in this crime, you should join the police and prove to them it isn't one. Pat 394, if there isn't such a thing as a hate crime then your logic says there is no such thing as a terrorist
It's been said one person's "terrorist" is another person's "freedom fighter". But I think there's a pretty clear difference between acts or war/terrorism for some cause vs. a crime that targets one person. Hate crime is a different matter entirely since it is very difficult to prove the motive for a murder if it isn't a robbery gone bad or a jealous spouse or some such obvious thing. Murder is always a "hate crime" except in very rare cases such as a mercy killing.
A hate crime, or bias intimidation, certainly does exist and is a valid classification of murder or action. For example: The millions who died in Nazi concentration camps and the genocide in Rwanda. It means the reason for the crime is not robbery, revenge or jealousy but a hatred of the person's race, religion or orientation. It is based on the perpetrator's fear, intolerance and ignorance.
Well, duh, spiritguy, since the killers came out and admitted they wanted to get rid of ALL members of these ethnic groups. (And yes, it was also ethnic in the case of the Holocaust since an ethnic Jew who converted to Christianity would not be spared.) Genocide is a hate crime. Killing one person is killing one person, whatever your motive.
Nonsense. If there is no such thing as a hate crime, there is no such thing as terrorism, racism, genocide (hey it's really just mass murder) etc. You guys want it both ways.
el cajon(cahon) is a cesspool of republican rednecks...besides the nudist colony...
Hate much?
Poor state of affairs just reading thru some of these comments....no sympathy for a mom of 5 kids killed in a cold blooded way....people are either blaming the victim or her faith, what a shame.
if she were black or Hispanic or just non-muslim it wouldnt be a question, everyone would believe it was racially motivated and that the killer was not her husband as some of these so called people suggest. This woman deserves justice just as badly as trayvon martin
Just because search warrants on the house were served don't mean that the husband/other family member did it. I do believe reading that there was no forced entry, so of course the police will check the house and family out, not because they did it, but when it is a spouse killed and no forced entry, the surviving spouse is always a suspect.
You three obviously haven't been following this case very closely.
The police are doing a thorough investigation, which means they will investigate the scene of the crime (the home) and the family members, especially if they have no other suspects. Doesn't mean they did it. I'm hoping it wasn't anyone in the family. To do that and then try to make it look like a hate crime really will be damaging to their community.
Right, because blacks and Hispanic men NEVER kill their wives. /sarcasm
If the victim were purple with pink polka dots and worshipped Zeus, under these circumstances the husband would still be the prime suspect unless he had an iron clad alibi, and the daughter would probably be a suspect as well since she was the only other person known to be there at the time of the murder.
Even in the days of KKK lynchings, how many middle aged housewives were targeted? And the note means nothing. Most people who kill don't particularly want to get caught so they will plant fake evidence if they can.
The simple truth is that this poor woman is more likely to have been a victim of intimate partner violence than a hate crime. Every 7.4 hours a woman is killed in the U.S. by an intimate partner. (FBI, 2005)
"Karo Kuri" also known as honor killings or femicide are believed to be the cause of almost 70% of female murders in the middle east. Often times referred to as "stove death" as the victims are burned to death.
Article 341 of Jordanian Law considers Karo Kuri a legitimate act of defense when "The act of Killing another or harming another was committed as an act in defense of his life, or his honor, or somebody else's life or honor". (Ruggi, 1998)
The U.S. prosecutes wife beating and certainly murder thus it would make absolute sense for this woman's father, brother, husband or son to cover their act of Karo Kuri as a hate crime to deflect attention from what they consider their right.
That the case remains unsolved is the issue here. Once the case is solved, then the motive will be clear.
Solving the case will determine the motive.
As long as the case remains unsolved, then the motive is purely speculation.
A note left at the scene means nothing. It could be there to throw off the investigation.
Muslims accusing others of hate crimes lol
Only thing funnier: christians accusing others of hate crimes.
LOL!
Bernitch would be more appropriately called Ostrich.
I have no idea yet. I'm still trying to understand the Shafia family murder trial we just went though here in Canada. It's not like I have read much about this Alawadi case yet. I will need to see much more evidence before I can make an opinion.
Eric
There is a police update scheduled for Monday morning. Hopefully an announcement of an arrest too.
OF course it was!!!!!! What is wrong with people??? We need to show the same outarge that we have shown for Trayvon.
We have turned into a Police State because of all the hate filled speeches and rhetoric feed to people on a daily basis since 2001. The Police think they can shoot anyone of color as long as they raise a hand in their own defense. More people have gone out to purchase guns in order to protect themselves from a "marketing of FEAR" that isn;t even there.
Our Country has turned into the exact same place they said we should fear.
Guess what?? I lot of us want to leave this FAKE COUNTRY
Then go.
Maybe you can take a DVD of "Moscow on the Hudson" (1984) with you. I'm thinking of the scene where the Russian has had a bad day, been mugged, and discriminated against by his own new-citizen girlfriend, and is reminded by the other immigrants that he is free to leave whenever he likes, unlike the various countries they all escaped from.
But you're probably thinking about going to Canada.
Diane R
By all means, leave.
Don't let the door slam you in the ass.
Diane R
You are free to leave
take the guest workers with you
Diane R,
HUH?!? The man who shot Treyvon Martin wasn't a cop. He wasn't even a neighborhood watch guy except in his own mind. He is just a nutcase. Maybe we're becoming a less free country, but the people who deserve blame for that are the politicians who make ridiculous laws, the people who vote for them, and those who are too lazy to vote at all.
Just like Alec Baldwin, right? sheesh.
The comparisons to Treyvon Martin are completely spurious. The two cases have nothing in common. Nothing!
Diane R I am a Muslim, and I am saying this: Do not assume that this was a hate crime. Let the investigators figure this out. I remember there was a case where a man and his wife was shot in New Jersey not too long ago. He tried to pin it as a hate crime. Then the police found out that man was a fraud, he stole 2 million dollars worth from a guy, had his girlfriend take his wife out, and shoot him to make it look like a hate crime. They had a child together now his father is in prison and his mother is dead. Google Kashif Parvez. Do not Assume. Protesting outside about hate crimes really doesn't do anything. Protesting is effective if it is for being against the government or a law. If it is a person who commits the crime, protesting doesn't change things in any way. Appreciate the freedoms that this country has granted, that is one of the main reasons why Muslim people immigrated here in the first place.
Assuming you are posting from the United States, you'll find no laws or guns being used to make you stay here. If I was as fearful as you, I'd certainly be packing my bags and moving to.........???
Let me know if you do decide to leave. I'll make some sandwiches for your trip.
@Phenomenal112 - That was an excellent post. More Muslims need to come forward in a reasonable and responsible manner like you. It reminds me of a case a few years back when a hate-crime was reported when a Muslim owned business had burned. It was later learned that the owner did it himself to collect insurance. The terrorist supporters at the terrorist supporting, hamas-linked cair never removed it from their list of "anti-Muslim hate crimes". Many of the "hate-crimes" they've listed over the years have been dodgy at best. Two Muslim girls having to leave their backbacks at the counter of a video store was listed as TWO bias incidents (apparently, as Muslim, they were above reproach, and shouldn't have been made to leave their backpacks at the counter like everyone else did).
Diane R; do you need any financial help? I understand airfare these days is pretty steep. I have a friend at ICE that may be able to expedite any passport needs you may have. Anything to assist you in leaving our "fake country". Remember to drink your kool-aid, Diane, and don't forget to breed.
Diane R; It would be a hate crime to make you stay....
Diane R. Back in the late fifties early sixties my dad used to say "love it or leave it". However, I told him that I'm sure he might "love it and change it for the best". Don't leave. If you want something changed: Stand up; shout out and march. As far the the words "fake country". It does feel that way sometimes. Fake could mean many things. i.e. Romney...he wants to run our country...fake .... Blaming one person for the oil prices.. fake, etc.... I believe in loving thy neighbor as yourself. I don't do it. Fake.....etc.
my money is on it was another muslim who killed her. Was she dating a non muslim? or even worse...did she show some skin....
Is there a website where we can place bets on who did it?
Her husband should be carefully examined in this case. Those hate mails and calls were probably charades.
The husband is always carefully examined. But even if it wasn't the husband or the daughter, it's virtually certain that it was somebody the victim knew well enough to let into her home.
I do not lock my doors in the daytime and only when I go to bed at night. I love the outside coming in. Sure something may happen, but just because a person walks in won't mean I know them.
I don't know where you live but as a city girl I can't imagine not locking my door. At very least, a drunk college student might walk in and pass out on my couch. (There are literally thousands of them in my neighborhood.) I lived that way throughout the 70s and 80s, before I had kids, but I'm a bit more careful these days.
All murders are hate crimes. They aren't murdering you because they love you.
What about all the people that died while their loving evangelical family tries to beat the demons out of them?
or the loving christians who, instead of taking their own children to a doctor, prayed over them instead, and watched their kids die in front of them...
or loving christians who instead................ Wrong. Out of all your postings here, just 1 of them was not directly pointed towards christianity. Is there hate here?
1. each post is factual. it's called point - counterpoint.
2. I had three posts, above, that primarily discussed hate crime legislation and the FBI crime statistics webpage where you can look up that information.
Vic, are you pretending to be completely stupid, or is it really a problem for you to follow logic and factual information?
Once again... but this one will be censored, too, by the religious right...
1. each post is factual. it's called point - counterpoint.
2. I had three posts, above, that primarily discussed hate crime legislation and the FBI crime statistics webpage where you can look up that information.
Vic, are you pretending to be completely stupid and dishonest, or is it really a problem for you to follow logic and factual information?
Bernitch, I admit that there were more than 1 not directed toward christianity and I was wrong but your hatred towards religion postings really outweigh your postings on this topic, do you agree? Again when there's a story here about the Evolution or a relegion theory then post your opinions about that topic being discussed because that is thinking logically.
First. I don't tell you how to post. But, I'm amused that you follow me around so much...
Second, this topic has a HUGE undertone about religion. This is about a possible a hate crime toward someone based upon her religion. And the fact is, there is a strong hate-sentiment in the US of christians hating muslims.
Coming here and chasting someone (me) for commenting well within the topic of this thread is utterly ridiculous.
Get real. You're acting like a clown.
I am so tired of hearing people comment about the poor Muslims being hated by NON-Muslims.The fact is More , & I mean a lot more crimes have been committed by Muslims against Non-Muslims in the modern world than visa-versa. I can think of just 1 where about 3,000 were murdered at one time. Not to mention the various attempts of murder perpetrated ( 1st world trade center bombing, various American Embassies around the world, airplane hijackings etc.). Trying to come up with examples of the reverse, but can't seem to think of any. Don't be an ass & point out Iraq or Afganistan. We are there to help, even though they don't seem to want or appreciate it. Muslims never give the USA credit for our help and in fact cite that we are the evil ones. They don't even appreciate it was the USA that stopped Mislosovich from continued genocide against Muslims.
The only group that cannot claim to be victims of hate crimes is white. Everyone else is a victim. That's how far reality and the truth have been distorted.
FLAT OUT LIE!
Only cowards have to resort to lies to make a point.
FBI Criminal Statistics: Among the single-bias hate crime incidents in 2010, 17.7% were victims of an anti-white bias.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2010/narratives/hate-crime-2010-victims
No use being a coward or a liar. It doesn't serve your cause! Grow up!
Why hasn't Bernitch been banned for insults yet?
Procrustes posted something that was a FLAT OUT LIE. And in reply, I posted information that proved his post was a FLAT OUT LIE.
Telling a FLAT OUT LIE just to try and make a point is a VERY cowardly thing to do.
No insults. I stated factual information in my reply, nothing more.
No, Procrushtes was merely misinformed.
No use being a coward or a liar.
You're acting like a clown.
Vic, are you pretending to be completely stupid and dishonest,
And, for the whiney little twaddles
Too many uneducated redneck morons
No insults. I stated factual information in my reply, nothing more.
Seriously? If I were to call you a name, Newsvine would suspend me in a second; I'm a Conservative and not allowed to disagree. You, sir, aren't as intellectually superior as you would like everyone to believe; just another liberal trolling the threads spewing your hate at anyone who might see things differently. My advice is to put down "Rules For Radicals" and pick up "Robert's Rules For Debate"; otherwise nothing you say is even remotely valid. My opinion.
No doubt this was a hate crime. The question is who was the intended victim, an Iraqi woman or all of us? Who perpetrated the crime, a bigot or a radical? This murder may not be what the appearance is giving.
It could just be plain old murder with clues left behind intentionally to mislead the investigators ....
I am not saying that there aren't people in this country who hate brownies and are more than capable of doing something like this but i don't think those kinda people are gonna run the risk of a home invasion in such a heavily immigrant area and take the time to beat someone to death.
Brownies?!? What, you hate the aggressive way they sell cookies? Unless you are talking about the junior Girl Scouts, who's a brownie? Are Hispanics, Arabs, Sephardic Jews, Indians, Pakistanis, Afghanis, and, say, Greeks and Italians all one new ethinic group, called brownies?
It was definitly a hate crime. Someone HATED her enough to kill her. Hey oom, I like brownies too, especially the Alice B Toklass kind. woo hoo!
Bingo! Thank you Mr. India. Someone hated her enough to kill her but it's far from clear that they hated her because of her race/religion, country of origin.
Ooam yaqoob : yep.
There are whites, blacks, yellows and then there are us brownies ...
These are the basic 4 hues that humanity can be broadly divided in.
You forgot the other Indians, the one from this hemisphere, who have long been considered "red". So far no greenies, but it would be a great mutation to have, particularly if it involved chlorophyll. Dieting would be easy. Just stop eating and bask in the sun instead.
But of course ethnicity is more than hue. In my life I have only known one albino, who happened to be obviously African American in his features and even his speech, hence "a white black guy."
Mr. India you have forgotten a race of people called American Indians of red skin tone but actually they have over 500 different nations so they are not really American Indians but names such as Muscogee, Lakota, Nakota and so on. The true minority in this entire world of about 2 million strong American Indians after recovering from a decimated number of 250K due to a major holocaust.
Ah yes ...i forgot.
Add red to the human palette :-)
Perhaps a Shiite V.S. Sunni type of thing ? Just saying....
just sain you are an id10t
All this speculation but nobody knows what really happened. Could have been a hate crime, or a family member, or some whacko like Charles Manson trying to start a race war. Lets be reasonable because it sure sounds like the Police and FBI are all over this. I hope they find whom ever beat this woman to death and throw the book at them...No matter who it is,
The victim's cousin Hussein seems to know an awful lot about what happened.
Adam44-I haven't yet heard anything about cousin Hussein. I have my doubts about this being a hate crime but I'll admit to only reading two articles about it on MSN. Neither seemed to contain much info either way. The notes they mentioned didn't seem "hate-full" enough to be left by somebody who'd actually beat a stranger to death for the color of her skin or her religion. Could you enlighten me as to what cousin Hussein has said?
Hi Michelle. Sure, here's the link to an article in Al-Arabiya which interviews close family members: http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/03/27/203513.html
The amount of detail that cousin Hussein supplies is breathtaking. It's like he was right there while the crime was committed. There's a lot of other interesting info too.
Thanks, Adam.
I am taking into consideration that this family has moved here from a country where laws and values are much different from our own. Women in those countries are considered property of the husband not a partner. Honor killings are commonplace in these countries and are considered justified. Not long ago a father ran down his own daughters because they were acting too westernized for his liking. As any good muslim he killed them. I am sure he still believes he was justified.
Spoken like someone who has never known an actual Arab. I'm not denying that honor killings exist but it would usually be a member of the woman's family of origin who did it. As for husbands and wives not being partners, that's absurd. Arab women are a lot like stereotypical Jewish women; they have a LOT of power in the home. My former next door neighbor, a Palestinian, simply told her husband he HAD to retire while she went back to work. He did so with no argument because he knew better. How many American born husbands would do that?
Well said, Oom Yaaqub!
OomYaaqub, Have you actually READ the Torah or the Koran? I have, and the Koran does treat women as little more than property. The only advantage woman have is that they can inherit property. In ANCIENT Hebrew society (I'm talking before the Roman occupation), women were treated with a respect that was unparalleled at the time, and that has only been recently matched by modern society.