Body in icy lake is missing Alaska barista, police say

Mark Thiessen / AP

FBI Special Agent in Charge Mary Rook addresses a news conference in Anchorage, Alaska, on Monday.

ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Divers searching an icy Alaska lake found a body they believe is of 18-year-old barista Samantha Koenig, who was abducted two months ago from a drive-up coffee stand, authorities said Monday.

A dive team recovered the body in icy Matanuska Lake, about 35 miles northeast of Anchorage, Police Chief Mark Mew told reporters at a news conference, and will conduct forensic tests to confirm that it belongs to Samantha Koenig.


Investigators believe she died within hours of her Feb. 1 abduction from the Anchorage coffee stand, Mew said.

"Investigators further believe that the person responsible for Samantha's death acted alone, and we're confident we have that person in custody," he said, adding that charges for Koenig's kidnapping and murder "will be forthcoming."

The sole person held in connection with Koenig's disappearance is Israel Keyes, a 34-year-old Anchorage construction contractor.

He was arrested last month in Lufkin, Texas, and charged in federal court with illegally using another person's bank card to withdraw cash in various states. He has pleaded innocent and was being held without bail.

AP

Anchorage barista Samantha Koenig, 18, in this police file image.

Koenig was forced from her coffee stand at the end of her evening shift by what appeared to be an armed man, according to security-camera video. The video was not publicly distributed, but police said it showed a thin white man abducting the barista.

Self-defense lessons
The case has gained a lot of attention in Anchorage. Posters of Koenig have been prominently displayed around town and family members and friends established a reward fund for information leading to her return. Supporters have held candlelight vigils for the missing teen, and volunteers have offered self-defense lessons to other Anchorage baristas.

Mary Rook, special agent in charge of the FBI's Anchorage Division said investigators believed there was no connection between the abductor and the Koenig family, according to NBC News Alaska affiliate KTUU.com.

KTUU.com: Samantha Koenig's Body Found in Matanuska Lake

Rook credited callers and officials who provided information in the case from Alaska, as well as the Lower 48, for their role in the investigation.

AP

This undated handout photo provided by the Anchorage Police Department shows 34-year-old Israel Keyes.

"We received hundreds of phone calls from people in Anchorage and from many locations across the Lower 48," Rook said.

"Likewise, when assistance was required in Arizona, New Mexico and Texas, local, state and federal authorities moved quickly to support and move this investigation forward. In fact, were it not for the efforts of several very alert and dedicated Texas law enforcement officers, Samantha's abductor may still be at large."

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So tragic and disgusting that such a young life had to end so violently. Obvious the guy who is in custody is not the smartest if he was using other persons credit cards to withdraw cash especially as he possibly just committed a murder.

My thoughts and prayers are with the family of the girl.

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#1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 4:01 AM EDT

Prayers and condolences to the family. This is a tragic loss for them.

Here's hoping they strap Mr. Keyes up to ole' smokey and "rehabilitate" him.

  • 56 votes
#1.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:06 AM EDT

If this guy is guilty I hope they execute him. If we started executing all murders who are convicted based on physical evidence maybe these scum would think twice before killing someone. The reason I draw the distinction that the conviction be based on physical evidence is that there have been too many cases where convictions based solely on circumstantial evidence have been overturned. The way the law is today, the average convicted murderer spends less than 20 years in prison. Under a sentence of 25 years to life, which is fairly typical in murder cases, the person is eligible for parole after no more than 18 years and most seem to get parole. This is hardly a fitting punishment when there victims do not get to come back from being dead in 20 years. If you murder someone you should never again get to walk free.

My condolences go out to this poor girls family and friends, may she rest in peace.

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#1.2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:22 AM EDT

I'm with JS. They may not think twice but they won't do it again if they are executed.

  • 65 votes
#1.3 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:37 AM EDT

If the victim were my family member I'd hope he would get paroled earlier. Can't say why but.....

  • 37 votes
#1.4 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:52 AM EDT

Sorry, but evidence consistently shows that capital punishment is not a significant deterrent for future criminals. It is inherent in the human psyche to think (if these people stop to think at all) that they will be the one to get away with it. Many just act out of so-called passion, heat of the moment, and don't even stop to think that far into it. If you want to argue for the execution of criminals, that is entirely your right, but do not delude yourself that it is for any greater cause than vengeance. Not saying vengeance may not be enough of a reason for some, but it is vengeance for crimes already committed and will do nothing to stop others in the future.

  • 42 votes
#1.5 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:00 AM EDT

Saddened, I mostly agree with you. I wouldn't entirely discount the deterrence effect though as there must certainly be among the tens of thousands of murderers some who would, had they not thought otherwise, been more restrained and not committed the murder. It is far more expensive to convict and execute in capital cases too, but I'm not in favor of using cost as a reason to oppose the death penalty (as is the case here in California now).

Some people by their actions have commited acts which are so heinous that a just society can, and should I think, seek measured vengeance in the way of capital punishment for the victims of those crimes. Once executed that person will never harm another person again. And there are many cases of just that happening, where someone convicted of murder has gone on to kill again, or do great harm to other people if not kill them.

  • 11 votes
#1.6 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:19 AM EDT

Put a lil Crisco on his temple's and hook him up to the ole fry daddy. Cook for 3 minutes.

  • 27 votes
#1.7 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:20 AM EDT

Saddened -

Vengeance? Maybe. Justice? Maybe. I personally have never bought into the "deterrent" argument - I agree with you that the death penalty is not a deterrent. Dependent upon the crime, however, I argue that it can be appropriate. There are just some things that, in my opinion, rise to that level.

You call it vengeance, I call it justice.

Having said that - the way it is administered is ridiculous and often arbitrary - which is why I actually come down on imposing a moratorium on death penalty cases until the system is repaired.

  • 15 votes
#1.8 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:21 AM EDT

I agree about your comments concerning those who have not committed murder yet, however capital punishment is 100% effective at ensuring that those who have already done the deed do not get a chance to be paroled and repeat the crime. A person like this is broken, he may eventually be able to learn how to fool a parole board or behavioral health people but he will never be right. The sooner he is removed from the land of the living the better

  • 24 votes
#1.9 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:24 AM EDT

Capital punishment is not just for vengeance. It is a prevention method. The criminal in question won't ever commit that crime again. Otherwise, what is to stop them from getting back into the "heat of the moment" again?

  • 22 votes
#1.10 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:24 AM EDT

So let's say it's a fact that capital punishment will not or never will be a deterrent and will only ever be considered as vengeance. If the accused is found guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt and IS executed, the sob will not ever stand the chance of being released from prison to have the opportunity to yet again take another innocent life. IMO that's all the reason in the world we need for using capital punishment. An eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. You take an innocent life, you forfeit your's.

  • 8 votes
#1.11 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:25 AM EDT

Well, saddened, we learned that in grade school back in the 50s...at the same time that we learned about recidivism rates! The point of executing them is so they don't repeat. The reason for the justice system is mostly to keep society at large safe and removing obvious threats seems to be the most effective method.

  • 12 votes
#1.12 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:31 AM EDT

Alaska does not have the Death penalty. He should get life without parole though. Or better yet, Hard labor for life.

  • 9 votes
#1.13 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:33 AM EDT

I'm pretty sure he will be incarcerated in Washington or Oregon State. In the past Alaska didn't have a state correctional facility. Don't think they have one now.

  • 2 votes
#1.14 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:04 AM EDT

I have two beautiful daughters,21 and 27. as a father i cry for your child, beautiful one of a kind,and why?

will never no!

Now again as a father this dirt bag sets there,HE MITE BE THERE FOR YEARS!

death to easy.we need a new type of prison ? build the big walls,set up the guards out side the wall!!!

job:don't let anyone out, now throw this sick murderer in.

  • 4 votes
#1.15 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:36 AM EDT

If they can prove and know for sure, they should fly low over the northern territory and drop him off to a few polar Bears. that would only be fair.

  • 5 votes
#1.16 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:44 AM EDT

Capital punishment may not be a deterent for future murderers but it sure does prevent anymore any more by the executed killer.

  • 6 votes
#1.17 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:47 AM EDT

Some very good comments on here. Yes it can be hard to choose what is really best and there are many arguments both ways but when we are sure this is the piece of scum that did the crime then I agree at least we know he won't do it again once he is executed. In the same breath I also agree our system is broken and does need repaired, not just death row but the penal system as a whole (that extends beyond this discussion to include those who are there for reasons they shouldn't be: ie possession of weed). I also think hard labor would be good too when deemed that the inmate can do the work without being a threat to others. No more loitering around the "yard" or lifting weights all the time, make them work while they are there. The for profit system has to go and the cost argument for a death row inmate, clearly there is an issue there as well if it is costing more to execute than to keep in the system for life.

At any rate this is just one more problem and issue that needs to be addressed that the a$$ clowns in DC ignore.

As for this piece of scum, first reaction is find an iced over lake somewhere, cut a hole and throw him in it, but that's not fair to the lake and wouldn't be right since that would take us down to his level. So do the reasonable thing, bullet, gun, done. No eye for eye type deal or making it gruesome or in humane (yes I know about the victim's side and all not trying to overlook that), just kill him and be done with it.

May this poor girl rest in peace now. I hope that her family can now find some closure. You have my deepest sympathies and my condolences.

It is time

  • 4 votes
#1.18 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:49 AM EDT

Eric, smarts or lack thereof has nothing to do with the enormous amount of predatory crime against females of all ages in the U.S.

At these levels, it's difficult to imagine how U.S. parents today cannot look down at their newborn son and wonder if he will harm others, as so many parents of newborn girls hope to god their daughter will never be a victim of him or so many of those like him.

  • 3 votes
#1.19 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:59 AM EDT

I feel terrible for the Koenig family, the loss of a child is the worst. My prayers go out to them that they make find some solace in this tragedy/heinous act

  • 3 votes
#1.20 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:04 PM EDT

The only time I agree with the death penalty being used is if it is obvious the murderer actually did the crime, whether it be from confession, credible witness, video tape, camera, so on... I do think that there should be less then a slap on the hand when you commit a crime, especially in killing someone else, if you don't give them the choice, you shouldn't have the choice either.

For this woman, I feel horrible for her and her family, my prayers and condolences go to them, I hope in getting her body back they can being the long process of healing. It's horrible losing a friend or family member, it's even worse never knowing what happened or having a way for closure. I'm so sorry for their loss.

  • 4 votes
#1.21 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:05 PM EDT

Didn't he get arrested in Texas for using someone else's bank card? They should try him there. Texas has death penalty (DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS!); it will take care of the scumbag for good.

  • 3 votes
#1.22 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:16 PM EDT

DelFairChild - We do have a State Correctional facility in Alaska, it's in the city of Seward. If you've heard of Robert Hansen, the serial killer that flew prostitutes in his plane to the knik River to release them only to hunt them down and kill them, he was convicted and is serving a life + sentance there. It's unfortunate (in my opinion) that we don't have the death penalty here.

  • 7 votes
#1.23 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:17 PM EDT

My position on the death penalty for crimes like this, with undisputable evidence? My name says it all.

  • 3 votes
#1.24 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:18 PM EDT

Good looking girl ....

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    #1.25 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:21 PM EDT

    Few would disagree that the people who do these killings should be disassembled almost as quickly as they are found to be guilty. Free, they represent an enormous danger to our citizens as individuals, and to our society as a whole..

    Along with such people we should consider what must be done with those who inflame others to kill wantonly in response to uncontrollable rage stirred up -- in sick minds -- by those same professional rabble rousers and merchants of hate.

    • 4 votes
    #1.26 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:29 PM EDT

    You would think that the P.O.S. Keyes would tell them what he did with her.

    How soon can we put the needle in this guy?

    .

    • 6 votes
    #1.27 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:30 PM EDT

    I do not see someone committing murder wavering on the issue of "What if I get caught?"

    I don't think many murderers calculate getting caught into their moment of violence. For that reason I do not think the difference between a prison sentence of 10 years and execution would enter their mind. To you and I sitting in front of our computers, feeling guilty about not getting the grass mowed or the laundry done, it may be a big difference, but in most cases, not to someone who is in the act of taking another life.

    In a population in which the reaching of a destination is more highly valued than the journey, violence is just an optional route, which may be riskier, but still an option. Consider bonuses for intentionally injuring football opponents. Were you supportive of all the public outrage, the headlines, the public pilloring? Do you even know the team involved, the coaches and players, the outcome? Do you even know what to what I'm referring?

      #1.28 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:58 PM EDT

      Who cares if capital punishment is a deterrent. Life in prison is a waste of money on worthless murderers and rapists. We could be spending this money a lot wiser (not that we will of course, because we entrust a crooked government to do this for us).

      • 5 votes
      #1.29 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 1:08 PM EDT

      "Capitol Punishment" is CERTAINLY a deterrent!!! It ensures that at least ONE homicidal lunatic will be 'deterred' from further acts of homicide...

      • 7 votes
      #1.30 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 1:13 PM EDT

      GreenTimer says: ""Do you even know what to what I'm referring?""

      Actually, GreenTimer, I'm afraid that I, along with many others, simply have a difficult time understanding you at all... "What to what" ARE you referring???

      • 3 votes
      #1.31 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 1:18 PM EDT

      The death penalty has no place in a civilized society. Sentences need to be much harsher (and not just for murder), without recurring to the death sentence. There are other sentences that are quite appropriate for certain crimes: a life term without possibility of parole. The inmate has to work to provide for his room and board. If the inmate does not want to work, he/she does not get to eat. Or you may want to parole certain inmates, but not before they have spent 40-50 years in jail and they are in their seventies.

      The inmate population would swell, which would require the construction of new jails. So what? Let's put contruction people to work. After the jails are built, let's hire plenty of security personnel. I'm sure there are plenty of army-trained soldiers coming back from Afghanistan who can handle the task. Who's going to pay for all this? The inmates themselves will help defray the cost, by working and selling what they produce.

        #1.32 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 1:26 PM EDT

        Angelo, it seems as if even senior citizens released on parole can go out and commit more crimes; I say NO PAROLE and in this man's case dig a prison cell in ice and let hime spend the rest of his life there. NO HEAT allowed, of course.

          #1.33 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 1:53 PM EDT

          The death penalty is too good for people like this. Let them rot in jail the rest of their lives with absolutely no hope of ever getting out. There was a dietitian at one prison who came up with a recipe that included all the nutrition a human needs but would gag anybody. That should be all a person like this gets. And no TV, radio, or other entertainment. Just books that describe how vile it is to take a life. There is no point in spending millions and making a celebrity out of someone like this. Make the penalty as abhorrent as possible. The court should choose between rehabilitation and punishment and keep the vile criminals in animal cages that could be washed down with a fire hose with them in it. They should never see the light of day again, or be let out of the cage. That way, giving a person the millions that would have been spent on trying execute them, if they are found innocent, would be no big expense. And they would still be alive. There should be frequent reviews of the cases where people are assigned as animals in case a mistake was made.

          • 1 vote
          #1.34 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 2:15 PM EDT

          Dont screw around in Texas to bad we couldnt hold the trial their then later the immunization..

            #1.35 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 2:28 PM EDT

            I think our criminal justice system needs a complete overhaul. First, we need to use jails for those who can be rehabilitated, not waste our hard-earned money on keeping murders alive. Second, jail should consist of 3 items: hard labor, exercise, education. Hard labor to earn their keep and pay restitution, exercise to stay healthy and education so they won't have to return to a life of crime.

            Murderers should be kept in separate, smaller prisons. Once tried and convicted of first degree murder, death penalty to be carried out within 90 days. All appeals must be exhausted in that time-frame. Convicted killer can elect to forego the 90 days and be immediately put to death. Caveat: DNA evidence must support that the person on trial is the murderer.

            The above systems should reduce our prison populations substantially. No more money wasted on life-long sentences or people returning to prison because they have no skills to get a job. This solution is not perfect, but it is a start to get people talking.

            • 2 votes
            #1.36 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 2:38 PM EDT

            Let criminals who are being rehabilitated man the fire hoses and let them experience the stench of animal living in a cage, with no clothes, toilet, or shower, with only straw bedding and see if they offend again. Rehabilitation should be thorough, with no excuse for a return visit. The money saved abolishing capital punishment and keeping animals that stay forever in their cages, would easily pay to help keep people out of the human zoo.

              #1.37 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 2:41 PM EDT

              I think what Green Timer is referring to is the total degeneration of our society as a whole. His reference to the recent scandalous and outrageous bounty system that certain NFL teams had in place in recent years is just an example he is using to point this out. Do you think the founders of football as a sport would have ever endorsed such a barbaric idea? No way ever. They had better respect for them selves and also as much for their opponent knowing how a game they loved their whole life and worked hard endlessly to play at a professional level meant as much to them as well as to the guys across the line. Wealth, power, greed, and the need to win or succeed at any cost has crept into every aspect of our daily lives. Money has corrupted morals and turned us into a nation of greed. What Green Timer is saying is senseless violence has just become another every day occurrence accepted in so many aspects of our daily lives. If I paid someone to injure somebody for me I would expect there to be repercussions yet look at all the posts about these teams that were doing exactly that and see the number of the comments from people that do not see a problem with it. There was a time when most players that injured others had a really hard time dealing with the fact they hurt another player yet today we pay them bonuses for it? Football is violent yes and most players are out to hit each other as hard as they can every play accepted. That is what makes it a cool sport to watch. Do we need to bring money into every corner of our life?

                #1.38 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 2:41 PM EDT

                .

                  #1.39 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 2:50 PM EDT

                  @Angelo

                  The death penalty has no place in a civilized society.

                  Take a look around.....we are FAR from a 'civilized society'.

                  • 1 vote
                  #1.40 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 2:51 PM EDT

                  This guy has demonstrated that he lacks human dignity and respect, if he is guilty. So why give it to him?

                    #1.41 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 2:53 PM EDT

                    Yes, I know it is a bit extreme, but killing someone shows even less respect for human life.

                      #1.42 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 3:00 PM EDT

                      Place him in the same cell that the one guy that beat a drug dealer to death with a baseball bat for 3 days. He is incarcerated in Alaska for killing his girlfriends drug dealer and killing a black guy for bragging about how the black guy killed his mother. The dude told his cellmate to shut up about killing his mom and he wouldn't so he broke his neck. He says he hate criminals and will keep killing them if he has a chance. Put this guy in the same cell.

                      • 1 vote
                      #1.43 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 3:36 PM EDT

                      Sick Sick man. I hope Samantha did not suffer like Debrah Rehor who was killed by Paul T. Stavenjord in/near Chulitna, Alaska. If quilty I hope this animal gets 198 years just like Stavenjord for the murders of Deborah Rehor and Carl Beery

                      Stavenjord used to like to play the flute. I hope he and this killer play the skin flute in prison for a long time

                        #1.44 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 4:10 PM EDT

                        Pray...

                        • 1 vote
                        #1.45 - Wed Apr 4, 2012 1:25 AM EDT
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                        she was such a beautiful young woman. this is horrible and a terrible tragedy. i can't fathom how that guy they arrested could have done something like this. what a monster. prayers to her family in their loss. so young, i have kids older than her..too short a life.

                        • 26 votes
                        Reply#2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 4:03 AM EDT

                        are you saying it would be less tragic if she were overweight and unattractive? What does her looks have to do with it? Oh yeah, I know. It's men who control the media, and its men who care only about beautiful girls. What kind of woman hater are you, marinemom? I assume you are a marine, and that mom stands for "Me Only.care.about.hot.woMen" Ugggh. yucko.

                        • 2 votes
                        #2.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:07 AM EDT

                        Hey Stoopid - get a grip. Reread marinemom's post without your tainted hate-glasses on and see that the comments were purely innocent. Let's play nice, shall we?

                        • 23 votes
                        #2.2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:24 AM EDT

                        I'm with you Jennifer - nicely done

                        • 11 votes
                        #2.3 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:35 AM EDT

                        Stoopid - living up to your name, I see. Marinemom's first two statements are stand alone truths and are not dependent on each other. The leap of logic you make in your post is, well... stoopid.

                        • 10 votes
                        #2.4 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:00 AM EDT

                        I think every girl is beautiful some more then others and what marinemom said I couldn't have said it any better, to see such a beautiful girl with so much promise a head of her be taken by such a piece of defication is something I have a hard time handling but what marinemom said was very respectful and in no way shape or form deserve a comment like yours stupid (stoopid). If you want to defend all the over weight girls of this world then lets start off by being fair and say in most cases not all over weight is totally controllable and what makes it impossible is lack of control and lazyness so stoopid I am right there with you on defending those that are over weight as long as their over weight has nothing to do with them being lazy and not able to control their food intake but I don't think any girl is ugly I love them all just that this girl was very much better looking then most.

                        • 2 votes
                        #2.5 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:04 AM EDT

                        I have two beautiful daughters,21 and 27. as a father i cry for your child, beautiful one of a kind,and why?

                        will never no!

                        Now again as a father this dirt bag sets there,HE MITE BE THERE FOR YEARS!

                        death to easy.we need a new type of prison ? build the big walls,set up the guards out side the wall!!!

                        job:don't let anyone out, now throw this sick murderer in.

                          #2.6 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:34 AM EDT

                          Poor stoopid, been smoking to much (weed). Bless this family Lord and take care of of them. Let justice be done.

                          • 2 votes
                          #2.7 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:01 PM EDT

                          I come back here, eyes diverted to the ground. I am quite embarrassed at the thoughtless words I have uttered. All of your teaching comments are well received. I promise to become a better newsviner, and better person. Thank you all for the interest you have taken in me, to help raise me up from my childish behavior. I owe each of you a debt I cannot repay. I am currently writing a ballad to express my feelings in art; though you won't likely hear it, I hope some of you can be proud of me. I am looking into adopting an orphan child, and am drawing up plans to create a trust fund to provide educational opportunities for others. Thank you once more.

                            #2.8 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 1:41 PM EDT

                            I agree. if she was ugly, i wouldn't care.

                              #2.9 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 2:00 PM EDT
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                              Comment author avatarHandsomeAndTruthfulExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                              Damn, it's bad enough that these contractors do poor workmanship and refuse to fix defects, intentional or unintentional, now they're murdering young women! Shameful!

                              • 3 votes
                              Reply#3 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 4:13 AM EDT

                              Way to brush a broad stroke there, pal; seems you just chose the wrong guy.

                              • 9 votes
                              #3.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 7:09 AM EDT

                              You're an idiot. You aught to be a painting contractor. You painted anyone and everyone with a wide brush. I feel sorry for anyone doing work for you. You're probably a cheap SOB and you get what you pay for.

                              • 13 votes
                              #3.2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 7:11 AM EDT

                              Women in Alaska have a saying: "The odds are good, but the goods are odd."

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                              #3.3 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 7:44 AM EDT

                              Young women need to be taught to scream, fight and run from would-be abductors, even if the guy has a gun. It's better to try to get away even if you get shot in the attempt. Once a guy like that has you in his car, your chances of survival drop considerably.

                              It's horrible to contemplate the terror this poor girl endured. Condolences to her family and friends.

                              • 14 votes
                              #3.4 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 7:56 AM EDT

                              kaybeetoys - Exactly. Young men too. Everyone needs to know when to obey & when to resist. If a man approaches with a gun, you do anything he asks, no resistance. If he wants to move you to another location, you do absolutely EVERYTHING you can to escape. Run fight, scream, whatever your gut tells you. Because, if he wants to move you to another location, he has already planned to kill you.

                              • 12 votes
                              #3.5 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 8:42 AM EDT

                              Soounds to me like the inevitable outcome of shopping for the lowest possible price and now bitching about getting exactly what you paid for.

                                #3.6 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:08 AM EDT

                                Because, if he wants to move you to another location, he has already planned to kill you

                                This happened to my wife. She fought like hell, called the police and they got the man. Unfortunately, that man was me. I was trying to get her to a surprise birthday party without giving the surprise away. In hindsight, the mask and gun were probably overkill. On the bright side, my parole will probably go through this time.

                                • 5 votes
                                #3.7 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:01 AM EDT

                                WOW, to say that you are STOOPID is the understatement of the century!

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                                #3.8 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:35 AM EDT

                                You put a mask on and pulled a gun on your wife as a surprise birthday present? I hope she told the police to keep you. What were you planning next pretending you were going to run her down in the car? or here's one take her up on a clift and tell her you are going to push her off. Oh wait how about just getting her some roses and have them delivered to her and then they just might stop calling you stupid!!

                                  #3.9 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:28 AM EDT

                                  Shopping for the lowest price possible? Nope! My wife and I actually selected one of the better contractors in our area. We also went to 6 homes already occupied and spoke to the homeowners. All of them said he did great work and his service after the fact was very good also. Looking back, I think a couple of them lied because their houses were still under warranty. Heck, maybe all of them lied to us! We had numerous things go wrong, mainly because of poor workmanship and the clod said if we wanted him to fix them, he would charge us! This was while we still had warranty left! Homeowners in Nebraska have no recourse because they pamper those clods here. You can win a case in court, but forget about actually collecting any damages.

                                  Now you have an idea why I'm not a fan of contractors, and now they're murdering young girls!

                                    #3.10 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:49 AM EDT

                                    stoopit, is that the best story you can come up with. Mask and GUN, for a surprise birthday party, I don't believe that for a second??? Whose Wife was it??? Not yours for sure???

                                      #3.11 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:36 PM EDT

                                      Oh, that's right, HandsomeAndTruthful, this is all supposed to be about you.

                                      Am I the only one here who couldn't care less about this guy's problems with contractors? And now back to our regularly scheduled discussion...

                                      Was it ever stated whose credit card this monster was using in Texas? There's a bit of a disconnect here for me and I'm wondering how they made the connection between this guy using the card to being Samantha's abductor and ultimate killer. Now, if it was her credit card he was using I could see why but it just says that he was using "someone else's."

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #3.12 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:48 PM EDT
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                                      R.I.P. young lady such a tragic end for one so young. Condolences to family and friends.

                                      • 24 votes
                                      Reply#4 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 4:37 AM EDT
                                      Comment author avatarWisdomIsCrucialExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                      R.I.P. So many things happening in Lufkin, TX i hear nowadays... ah damn. I like the headband though.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      Reply#5 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 4:54 AM EDT

                                      Except this happened in Alaska.

                                      • 9 votes
                                      #5.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 8:33 AM EDT

                                      They guy was caught in Texas

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #5.2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:06 AM EDT
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                                      EVEN A BLIND MAN CAN SEE THAT THE CONTRACTOR IS A '' METH '' ADDICT ; if they follow his trail of activities while in alaska , they will find that contracting was only but an extra curricular. it's a shame how drugs , after it destroys a family , goes right after an innocent family. ONLY GOD KNOWS THE PAIN THIS FAMILY IS SUFFERING BECAUSE OF DRUG ADDICTION SPILLOVER !!!!!!!!!!

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #6 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 4:58 AM EDT

                                      Drugs have nothing to do with this. Hes a criminal and a psycho.

                                      Some criminals and murderers drink booze, you going to rail on booze because of it? And blame their crime on booze?

                                      • 10 votes
                                      #6.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 5:20 AM EDT

                                      Booze is not as bad as meth.

                                      • 11 votes
                                      #6.2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 5:33 AM EDT

                                      I second that...most of the population can handle alcohol, and don't commit crimes to feed their habit.

                                      • 10 votes
                                      #6.3 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 6:19 AM EDT

                                      A meth addict?? YOU must be on crack to come up with that!

                                      First impressions are often misconstrued, and you're first impression is completly biased and slanted toward what YOU WANT TO HEAR..

                                      Listen to the facts, hear the story.. Sociopaths are crazy and independent.. Sometimes drugs, sometimes other things.. This guy was merely a sick individual with no feelings for anybody.

                                      • 12 votes
                                      #6.4 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 6:46 AM EDT
                                      Comment author avatarrepublicans or just plain greedyExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                      another one !!!!!!! no druggies on my forum , '' or you'll draw back a nubb

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #6.5 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 7:06 AM EDT

                                      not saying he isn't a crack addict, but why do you say this? We can't see his teeth and he doesn't have sores on his face like normal crack addicts do...(I use to work in the system) he looks clean and well kept.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #6.6 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:32 AM EDT
                                      Comment author avatarI'd bang BristolExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                      This white on white crime must stop at once!

                                      • 7 votes
                                      #6.7 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:38 AM EDT

                                      Hey Wm. Sanders you sure don't much about alcohol. You must be an alky in denial. The volume of destructive alkys for excedes methheads in physical injuries, health problems, murder by auto. This is because of the incredible number of drunks who think can handle it is in the 10s of millions. Your statement about alcohol is ignorance to it's highest degree.

                                      I agree meth is as bad as it can get in the drug, ruins many lives in the USA, but the damage caused by alcohol to the USA far exceeds that of meth.

                                      • 7 votes
                                      #6.8 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:44 AM EDT

                                      That is in poor taste

                                      • 4 votes
                                      #6.9 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:48 AM EDT

                                      Hey Wm. Sanders you sure don't much about alcohol. You must be an alky in denial.

                                      And you know this...how? (FYI, I hardly drink).

                                      There are examples of people who have too much to drink. But by and large, the majority of the population drinks in moderation, and don't turn their homes into toxic waste sites for some of the "hair of the dog", or rob people for their next fix.

                                      Oh, and please be considerate about who you call ignorant...there is that CoH thing. Other people are a lot less forgiving.

                                      • 2 votes
                                      #6.10 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:19 AM EDT

                                      ** **** Bristol, that was just unnecessary race baiting. Why go there? Why rile people up for no good reason whatsoever? When you are the first person to bring race into the discussion, chances are you are the one a little too preoccupied with it. There are cases where race is clearly an issue (Trayvon Martin) and there are cases where it is not (the case at hand). When it is an issue, you have every right to raise your voice and shout to the mountains and I'll be right there with you. When it is not an issue, you're just a troll to try to make it one. What exactly was your point?

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #6.11 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:24 AM EDT

                                      Saddened, Bristol is a well-known troll. Ignore him.

                                      • 6 votes
                                      #6.12 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:06 AM EDT

                                      Simmer down a bit, people, and do not use your own petty differences and idiosyncrasies to push your personal agendas on this blog, when an innocent person was murdered by a psycho and a family is grieving. Open you own site, or get a life.

                                        #6.13 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:18 AM EDT

                                        So Wm Sanders

                                        If alcohol is not very harmful then was is it illegal in about half or more of Alaska'a communities. Thousands are killed in Alaska everyyear due to alcohol. Alcohol is a depressant, taking a depressant in that envirorment is extremely dangerous. It is a fact that many suicides and death to loved ones occur often in Alaska and elsewhere due to alcohol. Alcohol is one of the most dangerous drugs along with about the only one that can kill you from detox

                                        • 3 votes
                                        #6.14 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:31 AM EDT

                                        Saddened when or why is race an issue? Is it an issue just because you say it is? Everyone has a right to comment just like your ignorance claiming race was an or the issue in the Martin case. It is not an issue just because you say it is, some would say you are the racist for even bringing it up(Martin). Unlike you have posted many times, Zimmerman was not told Not to follow him, he did not say "effing coon"(it was punk) and it may have been Zimmerman calling out for help. The so called voice experts are no experts, one use a voice to text program(Easy Voice) and the other listened to it(human analysis) By the way Bristol is a troll and I don't agree with it(he/she)

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #6.15 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:44 AM EDT

                                        This white on white crime must stop at once!

                                        @ Bristol, yes, as soon Sharpton and Jackson start condemning black on black murders instead of picking and choosing their racist rants and rallies. BTW, you look like you'd bang anything that's dead or alive..

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #6.16 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:56 AM EDT

                                        Human Beings require sunlight. It signals the release of chemicals that regulate mood, sleep, metabolisim and other vital mechainsms. The use of alcohol is a method of self medication. It is critically important that people living in these climates are aware of the damaging effects of the long periods of darkness. There is a reason for the rates of alcoholism and depression. I am very sorry for this young woman and her family. The murderer deserves punishment to the fullest extent allowed, however, simply doing this does nothing to prevent further tragedies. Underlying causes need to be addressed.

                                          #6.17 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:04 PM EDT

                                          So who condemns white on white murders? Rush Limbaugh? Glenn Beck? David Duke? Sharpton and Jackson condemns black on black crime all the time (just because you don't know how to Google their past accomplishments doesn't mean they haven't done exactly as you claimed they havent), but where's the white outcry for all the crimes endemic of your own community?

                                          Yeah, another case of Missing White Girl syndrome, and it is sad how someone so young, pretty, and staggeringly white can be taken from us so soon. Its just so unfair that Samantha is gone when her life held so much promise. There's nothing to find in her background that could ever possibly excuse such a terrible crime committed against her.

                                          Trayvon, on the other hand, probably deserved everything he got because you know how "those people" are. Afterall, he did pose for a camera once like a gangsta, which means he was probably the biggest drug dealer since Johnny Depp in that one movie ("Blow")... did I say Johnny Depp? I meant Denzel Washington (come on, its not like white people do drugs statistically on average at the same rates as everyone else). For all we know it wasn't even Zimmerman's gun; it was probably Martin's gun to begin with and he only planted it on Zimmerman to make people think black people are never the victims of crime.

                                          But I digress, poor missing white girl...

                                          (P.S. Seriously, this Samantha Koenig murder IS sad, and she does deserve some peace and justice. But then again so does EVERY victim of violence. Just because one is conditioned to fear and despise whole groups of people for 19th Century race-blending myths and customs doesn't mean those people are fair game to ridicule or deserving of apathy when they become victims too. Either we're all the same, or you're just a jackass for picking and choosing who is worthy to mourn.)

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #6.18 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:46 PM EDT

                                          1. lol, Bristol's comment was funny. Why is everyone so uptight?

                                          2. How did that guy lure that girl anywhere with him? He even looks terrifying!

                                          3. What is that on her bandana? Pot leaves? lol.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #6.19 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 1:07 PM EDT

                                          Mule's Brother - I am right there with you. As a victim of domestic violence, brought on by alcohol, I know only too well the effects that alcohol can have on someone. Anyone that says alcohol is not as "bad" or as addictive as meth, or crack, has absolutely no idea what they are talking about. It is more widely acceptable to drink, but that doesn't make it any less addictive or dangerous.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #6.20 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 2:16 PM EDT

                                          I'm here commenting just like everone else. Some of you morons get mad and say I'm a troll. If I troll then we all troll. Get a life!

                                            #6.21 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 3:10 PM EDT
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                                            If he's guilty...

                                            Scumbag...belongs in prison (solitary confinement) for the rest of his days.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            Reply#7 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 4:59 AM EDT

                                            If he's guilty he deserves to be hanged in public with those in juvenile detention forced to watch what they are headed for unless they change

                                            • 28 votes
                                            #7.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 5:09 AM EDT

                                            Not solitary - put him in general population and let him get ripped apart by the other animals in there.

                                            • 6 votes
                                            #7.2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:22 AM EDT

                                            Zeke, what would qualify this murderer for solitary confinement? Why is he different than any other convict? (We are assuming he is guilty, although it doesn't look good for him).

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #7.3 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:40 AM EDT

                                            Solitary confinement, bread and water and castration so he can't enjoy himself and just leave a nice rusty dull blade in his cell. Hell with being humane. Lethal injection is too easy.

                                            • 4 votes
                                            #7.4 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:43 AM EDT

                                            Agreed! I've always said murderers should die the same way they murdered....and at the hands of the closest family member!

                                            • 3 votes
                                            #7.5 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:14 AM EDT

                                            Law-abiding American taxpayers can't afford the two million men in prison now. Yet, our culture and society keep cranking out guys like this off a broken assembly line. The U.S. better finally implement some early childhood psych intervention or these vermin will wipe out all the decent folk. So many lives are destroyed by these men, families forever broken, parents despondent over the death of their child. No other developed nation has these levels of male violence and predation. They are a killing machine, nothing more.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #7.6 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:10 PM EDT
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                                            The article mentions nothing about why this particular lake was searched. As usual, wish there was more information. Very sorry to hear that this beautiful young lady was murdered.

                                            • 6 votes
                                            Reply#8 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 5:00 AM EDT

                                            After he got caught using the credit cards, he may have told where he dumped the body. He was stupid enough to get tracked using them, so he probably wanted the "fame" of the murder.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #8.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:28 AM EDT

                                            There's so much talk about death penalty not working. The thing is, 25 years on death row is not a deterrant. Give them the trial, with all evidence making it clear that "that person is the perpetrator", and when the death penalty is given, take them right out on the courthouse steps and hang them. The only way the death penalty is so much more expensive than life in prison is that it takes that 25 years to get er done!

                                            • 5 votes
                                            #8.2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:24 AM EDT

                                            Patricia,

                                            The problem with your solution is that you would be killing dozens if not hundreds of innocent people. Over 130 people have been taken off death row since 1976. What if it was your son who was falsely accused by eye witnesses? Wouldn't you be grateful for having DNA evidence a chance to prove it wasn't him?

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #8.3 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 1:23 PM EDT

                                            Hence why now would be a good starting time to implement those actions.....if we have DNA evidence to proove such actions why not stop adding to the over crouded situation in the prison system and get rid of the murderers and child molesters/rapists as they get brought in and PROOVED (by DNA evidence) and found guily by the court.

                                              #8.4 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 6:55 PM EDT
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                                              At least they found her body. I hate to sound cruel, but never being able to recover a body can be nerve racking to a family.

                                              • 23 votes
                                              Reply#9 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 5:04 AM EDT

                                              Yes, I didn't think they'd find her alive, but at least the family knows now. That must be the worst, not knowing.

                                              • 2 votes
                                              #9.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 8:34 AM EDT

                                              I agree - I didn't expect to hear a happy ending to this one, but for the family I sure was hoping for a miracle. Heartbreaking. And tho it may not ease their grief now, they have closure. Not knowing must be terrible...

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #9.2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:39 AM EDT

                                              Let alone how badly it can complicate a prosecution. You might remember the Utah guy who just killed his two kids and burned the house down. If they had been able to find his missing wife in the two years since he went "camping" in single digit weather, he would have been arrested and convicted long before he could have slain his children in such horrific fashion.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #9.3 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:23 AM EDT

                                              I can relate. My younger sister disappeared almost 21 years ago and has not been found to date. The primary suspect committed suicide about a week later when the investigation started closing in on him. He didn't provide any information about her whereabouts before his demise. The police told our family that we received the ultimate justice when he took his life. They were wrong. I have told them multiple times over the years my biggest regret is I didn't beat that sob until he surrendered the information. Of course then they would have arrested me! What justice? As far as I am concerned he took the cowards way out. My heart and prayers go out to the Koenig family.

                                              • 3 votes
                                              #9.4 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:26 AM EDT

                                              ...how to comprehend a murdering person's behaviors when they're even comtemplating doing such a thing to anyone is impossible for me...when one takes that 'thought' and acts on it without any justifiable life-threating provocation, they deserve no understanding; only swift action ending their opportunity to think, act or live at all any longer....

                                                #9.5 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:56 AM EDT

                                                the best self-defense for a a woman is a small caliber "purse pistol"

                                                  #9.6 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:59 AM EDT

                                                  A missing person is always a terrible trial for friends and family. It is equally horrific for them to now have to deal with being forever separated from her particularly in such a violent way. I am very sorry for their loss and fhe loss of this beautiful young woman. RIP.

                                                    #9.7 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:13 PM EDT
                                                    Comment author avatarJessica Hinckleyvia Facebook

                                                    It definitely costs more to execute someone than to keep them in prison for life. I'm not opposed to capital punishment, but I also understand the upside and downside. This guy def. deserves the needle for what he did to that poor girl AND her family.

                                                      #9.8 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 1:39 PM EDT
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                                                      As children most of us were told children stories of evil creatures who preyed upon humans: trolls, goblins, ogres and such.

                                                      They don't exist.

                                                      But the equivalent evil exists in the form of human monsters, such as the man who committed this kidnapping and murder. They look as seem outwardly like the rest of us, but are in truth as removed from normal human emotions and morality as any fairy tale ogre.

                                                      One can but wonder what aspect of human nature makes such creatures possible, and be glad when yet another is captured and removed from society.

                                                      • 14 votes
                                                      Reply#10 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 5:08 AM EDT

                                                      Beware the evil one walks amongst us!!

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                                                      #10.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:19 AM EDT

                                                      Your point about human monsters is so right. One of these monsters strangled and beat my sister 14 years ago. Her children awoke to this monster killing their mother. Myself and my family have never fully gotten over this loss. She was my sister and my best friend. Now, this monster should have done life in prison, right? Oh, no, the state attorney here in Iowa decided to allow a plea bargain and the monster managed to get just a 15 year sentence, in which he was done in 7. Now, the only reason this monster still walks among us, is so that the financial restitution to her kids can be paid. He now owns property in Mo. and his neighbors have no idea that this monster killed, murdered my sister! The only justice I can someday count on is from God above. I have trouble getting an attorney help me sue for back child support since I raised the monster's kid!!! There is no justice here, at least not for me and my family. So, now everytime I hear about another young soul taken too early by a monster, I pray for their family and pray that maybe they will get justice!!

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                                                      #10.2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:11 AM EDT

                                                      KJinttheQC, I sympathize. I do not know what goes through the mind of some law enforcement officials when they allow the accused the plead out to a lesser charge in such a case, which by your description should have been easy enough to prosecute.

                                                      Unfortunately, all law enforcement is done through agencies run by humans, and while most of us are not monsters, many fall a couple of yards short of the goal line in terms of competence in their chose professions.

                                                      I hope somehow you can find a way to put your pain and anger behind you, but I do not know if I could.

                                                        #10.3 - Wed Apr 4, 2012 7:11 AM EDT
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                                                        Comment author avatarGreg4422Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                                        This was obviously a case of self defense.

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                                                        Reply#11 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 5:10 AM EDT

                                                        i feel where you're comin from

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                                                        #11.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 6:44 AM EDT

                                                        Greg, your sarcasm is lost on those who rush to judgement. Once they have decided what happened, no amount of information will change their minds. I get your point...

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                                                        #11.3 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:42 AM EDT

                                                        Do_Not_Mess_With_Texas...

                                                        Funny you say that, because the scumbag who killed her sure was wearing a hoodie.. hmm

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                                                        #11.4 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:45 AM EDT

                                                        More instagators is all they are.

                                                          #11.5 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 3:18 PM EDT
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                                                          So sad... Condolences to Samanthas family, friends, co-workers... And of course her town, who im sure lived in fear waiting for someone to be caught. Atleast they can give her a proper burial. And not have to wonder. Not knowing is the worst.

                                                          I hope this bastard pays through the nose for this. Put him in general population, and make sure they know what he did. He'll pay every single day hes alive in there. Lots of those guys have a sister, or a cousin, or a daughter too. This dirtbag will get his due.

                                                          • 6 votes
                                                          Reply#12 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 5:16 AM EDT

                                                          You don't hear too much from Alaskan crimes, pretty girl too.

                                                          • 2 votes
                                                          Reply#13 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 5:16 AM EDT

                                                          Only if you watch Alaska State Troopers.

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                                                          #13.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:34 AM EDT
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                                                          @Greg... It's obvious that you are an inconsiderate a-hole. I'm not sure what your malfuntion is, but your comment on this article makes no f-n sense. It's bad enough that you said similar crap regarding the California shooting.

                                                          Either post something meaningful or shut the hell up.

                                                          • 13 votes
                                                          Reply#14 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 5:21 AM EDT
                                                          Comment author avatarGreg4422Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                                          free speech... Google it

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                                                          #14.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 5:24 AM EDT

                                                          Do you keep hitting the arrow up button to like your own post? I only ask because I've done that accidentally on my posts, but in your case, I don't think anyone would like your posts other than you.

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                                                          #14.2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 5:36 AM EDT

                                                          Greg,

                                                          You have a right to free speech...now why not use it as if you had a brain to go with it.

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                                                          #14.3 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 7:41 AM EDT

                                                          I agree that Greg's post comes off as tasteless and inappropriate as a comment to this story.

                                                          However, my interpretation of his comment is that he is equating the claim of "self defense" by George Zimmerman in the killing of Treyvon Martin. Greg is making a point that the killer of this innocent victim turning around and claiming "self defense" is just as ludicrous as the claim made by Zimmerman.

                                                          I, myself, think the connection tenuous at best, but his comment isn't as "stupid" as many posters think.

                                                          • 4 votes
                                                          #14.4 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:06 AM EDT

                                                          @LordPyrinc, I do not consider Greg's comment out of line at all. I think his intent is to provoke conversation. He is not demeaning this crime. He is suggesting that the killing in Florida is no more justifiable than this crime in Alaska. Why are we so afraid of ideas different than our own?

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                                                          #14.5 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:48 AM EDT

                                                          We are not discussing the crim in Florida. There's too much notarity in the case of Zimmerman v Martin.

                                                          The media has blown that case up beyond belief.

                                                            #14.6 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:34 AM EDT
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                                                            APD's (Anchorage Police Dept.) decision to withhold the video surveillance tape of the abduction, yet all the while asking the public' help in identifying the abductor, still rankles many here. And today, with Chief Mew's statement that Samantha Koenig was likely killed "within hours" of being taken, still has left many wondering if "hours" means 5 or 6 or 7, or if it means 24 or 48 or 72, and if releasing the video tape might have led to identification of her murderer.

                                                            Regardless, it's been a sad day for our area. This case was watched closely by many.

                                                            • 17 votes
                                                            Reply#15 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 5:31 AM EDT

                                                            I'm in Ohio, and I have been following the case, too, from the beginning. I know several folks in Alaska, and it's been a terrible winter, weatherwise and otherwise, for them all. The stress of this kidnapping had to play on everyone's nerves. For those who haven't been following this story, you might want to google it, and get more details. Many uninformed posters on this vine should get the information, that was not provided by MSNBC: such as--the lady did fight back when she was kidnapped; there is surveillance tape; the search for her has been steadily ongoing; Anchorage is a very modern city; etc. It's not a bunch of backwoods igloo dwellers.

                                                            Local people pulled together in support of the family and searched as best they could. I was very saddened (but not really surprised) by the discovery. Many condolences to the family and friends of Samantha.

                                                            As far as the monster who did this to her, I hope the Alaskans get their chance to give him the justice he deserves.

                                                            (Lastly, a number of trolls can be found on almost all parts of the vine. To delete or collapse them for violating the Code of Honor (or just being a troll), the little arrow/exclamation box at the bottom of every post is available. Click on the exclamation mark and pull down to the applicable statement. The moderator will handle the problem from there.)

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                                                            #15.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:08 AM EDT

                                                            Denny, I know the police need to take care of business and a lot of times it requires that they do not release information but in this case I believe you are right. A little more information to the public would have been helpful.

                                                              #15.2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:24 AM EDT

                                                              Maybe they were concerned that if he still had her alive and in custody, the plastering of his face everywhere would entice him to just kill the girl right off in fear....Not a GOOD reason but maybe a reason they police decided to go with nonetheless.... My utter condolences to her family. I really think pepper spray should be given to all employees that have to close up shop. Just saying...

                                                              • 1 vote
                                                              #15.3 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:45 AM EDT

                                                              Denny, I think the decision to withhold the video was was sound. The concluded that the harm to the family was not worth the exposure. There was probably little to be gained from seeing the actual crime. We do not always need to see the last minutes of someone's life...

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                                                              #15.4 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:52 AM EDT

                                                              Many of us suggested photographic "stills" from the video be used to help identify the abductor. APD (Anchorage Police Dept.) may still take a lot of heat over their refusal to do so and help identify the abductor. At this point it is not known definitively how long Samantha was alive after she was abducted.

                                                              APD's description of the abductor as "armed" and "significantly taller" than Samantha did absolutely nothing in allowing us--the public--to assist in IDing the guy, which is what APD was pleading for. APD was being too cute by half, many of us feel, by refusing to release images (or the video tape) of the guy.

                                                              Regardless, a young lady has been murdered. That's the ultimate tragedy.

                                                                #15.5 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 1:42 PM EDT

                                                                hmd28:

                                                                Hornet or wasp spray is much more affective than pepper spray and it's readily available over the counter. It's a sure shot from about 20-25 feet away and will effectively disable the perp. so no need to be up close as is required with pepper spray. I read about this on the internet. Just thought I'd pass it along.

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                                                                #15.6 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 3:50 PM EDT
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                                                                Lets hope they get the rotten narcissist and keep him away from decent human beings until it comes time to "check out"....There wil never be any "excuse" for this viciousness..

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                                                                Reply#16 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 6:18 AM EDT

                                                                Careful Bob; Your last sentence could cheat many attorneys out of their fees!!

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                                                                #16.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:40 AM EDT
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                                                                At least the family has some closure (we hope). And while we shouldn't rush to judgement, if the guy in question is guilty and convicted, he should get the needle. Such "upstanding" citizens should NOT be walking the streets anywhere...period.

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                                                                Reply#17 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 6:23 AM EDT
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                                                                sorry for the death of the young lady but was she a waitress (server)?

                                                                  Reply#18 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 6:27 AM EDT

                                                                  She was a barista, a coffee brewer/crafter, i.e. the people at Starbucks who make your coffee drinks.

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                                                                  #18.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 7:40 AM EDT

                                                                  FYI, there is a coffee shack on just about every other block in Anchorage and Fairbanks. Most baristas are young women, and they work singly or in pairs.

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                                                                  #18.2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 7:49 AM EDT

                                                                  These companys should really provide better safety training for their employees. Pepper spray is what...5 bucks? I understand panic buttons being pricey...but at least train employees to recognize potetionally dangerous situations...crisis pervention...Gas stations...convenience stores...these are always the folks that get targeted. I wish we valued people over products these days.

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                                                                  #18.3 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:49 AM EDT

                                                                  I have a niece here in Anchorage who worked in one of those coffe stands and she dealt with alot of harassment from male customers. And with the amount of darkness here in the winters, it makes that job a dangerous one for a young girl to be doing alone.

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                                                                  #18.4 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:54 AM EDT

                                                                  Baristas then should not work or travel alone. They should always be in pairs for greater safety. And I agree with the article is that self-defense courses should be manditory for baristas and, for that matter, other women who work in any kind of business.

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                                                                  #18.5 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:15 AM EDT

                                                                  Rich ha....She was an 18 year old woman..with a job..might have been working her way through school or working while she figured out what she wanted to do. She was an 18 year old woman that was a daughter and/or sister. "Just a server" ? Is she not as important as a stockbroker or Carpenter? I hope you are not implying that.

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                                                                  #18.6 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 11:41 AM EDT
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                                                                  Anyone ever hear how often drugs are involved in crimes like this? It would point to what a total failure the war on drugs has been. I doubt our gov't even cares about how it affects innocent lives.

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                                                                  Reply#19 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 6:37 AM EDT
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                                                                  Shes wearing a pot leaf headband in the picture provided. How innocent can she really be?

                                                                    #19.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:10 PM EDT

                                                                    A ridiculous comment, Bondoo-doo.

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                                                                    #19.2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:47 PM EDT

                                                                    You are right about the pot headband, but really, I don't think that liking weed should be punished by death. She didn't deserve to have her life taken. Maybe the perp was looking for money for his habit, if he has one, but I think this was probably a random crime. She may have been targeted because she was working alone, and it was easier for him to commit the crime. It is sad for the family involved and also for the entire community.

                                                                      #19.3 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 12:58 PM EDT

                                                                      So Bondoo... What are you suggesting? That because she wore a headband (and you have no idea of the context in which she's wearing this - not that it matters, anyway) with pot leaves on it she deserved to be abducted and killed?

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                                                                      #19.4 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 1:04 PM EDT

                                                                      I think Bondoo was just making a connection with the hoodie Trayvon was wearing. I may be wrong but that is my take on it.

                                                                        #19.5 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 3:55 PM EDT
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                                                                        Alaska has its share of weirdos and losers running from their homes to aplace where no one knows them and they hear of opportunities to make money. Its like a get away for criminals. Worked with em in prison system. Few were from Alaska, other then the natives, which has its own legal problems due to isolation and alcohol. Crazy place. Terrible for the young lady. Just went to work like any other day and happened to encounter a predator. I hope they catch him and deal with him, BUT knowing the Alaska system, he will be allowed to have flat screen tv's in his cell, special meals, etc etc etc.... they really baby their convicts.

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                                                                        Reply#20 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 6:40 AM EDT

                                                                        I live in Juneau, Alaska and I, unfortunately, have to agree with you George. The law here tends to "baby" their criminals while making life hell for the victims. They are so busy "protecting" the rights of the bad people, that the good people of Alaska get their rights trampled on. I hope that Samantha's family, friends and co-workers find some peace knowing that she was found. We need to bring back and enforce the death penalty in the State of Alaska!! Samantha was taken in violence, now I pray that she Rests in Peace.

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                                                                        #20.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:15 AM EDT
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                                                                        It really makes me mad that someone can just abduct someone and kill them for what? Look what's comprised of a persons life. Good times with friends, birthdays, marriage, possibly kids; all snuffed-out do to someone who doesn't care and will never care, unless they get caught and are facing life in prison or the death penalty. What makes me really irrate is when a person decides to take their own life, and in the process, kill their family members like their kids. It's like they think that their kids can't or won't survive without them. So, because they can't handle life, they kill everyone and then themselves.

                                                                        Anyway, I feel strongly that every state needs the death penalty, and the death penalty process should be expedited when there is 100% proof, whether by the defendents own confession(being ever-so mindful of mentally handicapped people), or if there is no chance that someone else could have committed the crime. This would save taxpayers money in the long run, and for those who oppose the death penalty this is the reasoning behind my opinion.

                                                                        The state is justified in putting to death a murderer because it's in response to what the defendent did in the first place. Had the defendent not killed, there wouldn't be no issue. Kids, at a certain time of their educational upbringing, should be taught that if you kill someone there is an ultimate price for that. Also, I think the issue of juveniles killing someone, and then being released when they are 21 is totally wrong. When I was growing up, I knew right from wrong, and I sure the hell knew that killing someone was wrong as well.

                                                                        Anyway, we live in a world and society where given the chance, a person will kill someone for no good reason. While it's nice to forgive, that is not a good enough reason when it comes to scum like the guy pictured above.

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                                                                        Reply#21 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 6:42 AM EDT

                                                                        Unfortunately Alaska does not have the death penalty. I agree with you 100% , I would have to lean a little further to the extreme though, I dislike the fact that we have to make treat these guys as humane as we do in putting them to death. I would be curious to know if the death penalty was made to be a lot more painful and was expedited if that would deter more people like Mr Keyes.

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                                                                        #21.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 8:13 AM EDT
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                                                                        I wonder what other crimes this guy has done since he was a kid. He should hang for taking this young lady's life. What a senseless waste.

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                                                                        Reply#22 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 6:53 AM EDT

                                                                        This is one great reason my daughters started jiu jitsu and muay tai when they were seven. They can hold their own against most of the boys their age. If you don't know their capabilities and mess with them, good luck.

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                                                                        Reply#23 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 7:07 AM EDT

                                                                        He was armed with a gun Rob.

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                                                                        #23.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 7:38 AM EDT

                                                                        I mean all I have is a picture but i doubt that crazy was professionally trained with that gun. If she was going to end up in the lake anyways, at least she had a better shot disarming him or getting away.

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                                                                        #23.2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 9:53 AM EDT

                                                                        I am a single Mom with 2 young girls...martial arts sound like a good idea for all 3 of us! There are 2 excellent books on the issue of protecting ourselves from these predators..both by Gavin DeBecker. The Gift of Fear........ and for parents....Protecting the Gift. What I took away from these books is that fear IS a gift, and we as woman have been socialized to be nice and ignore our in sense that something is not quite right, to our own detriment. The 2nd point that stuck with me is that it is paramount that you do everything in your power to not give someone who is trying to harm you privacy....never let them take you to another location. If they are trying to grab you and take you somewhere they are going to probably kill you when they are done....so fight for your life right there! There is a chance you might get hurt, but there is also a chance that they might give up, or someone will see you need help. It is tragic and this young woman is not to blame in any way, but I wouldn't want my daughters to work in such a place....too isolated. My condolences to the family their pain is unimaginable.

                                                                          #23.3 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 1:03 PM EDT

                                                                          Sorry to burst your bubble ROB898687, but ju jitsu, muy thai, and most others SPORTS self defense arts are USELESS against a gun, knife, crowbar, insane lunatic. When the rules are thrown out the window your kids will find out they can't defend themselves and you will realize you have instilled a false sense of security for them. Seek NON SPORT COMBAT SCHOOLS that address the real issues.

                                                                            #23.4 - Wed Apr 4, 2012 6:01 PM EDT
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                                                                            EVEN A BLIND MAN CAN SEE THAT THE CONTRACTOR IS A '' METH '' ADDICT ; if they follow his trail of activities while in alaska , they will find that contracting was only but an extra curricular. it's a shame how drugs , after it destroys a family , goes right after an innocent family. ONLY GOD KNOWS THE PAIN THIS FAMILY IS SUFFERING BECAUSE OF DRUG ADDICTION SPILLOVER !!!!!!!!!!

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                                                                            Reply#24 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 7:08 AM EDT

                                                                            After posting this senseless message once already, didn't think you would be dumb enough to post the same thing again...I was wrong.

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                                                                            #24.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 7:48 AM EDT

                                                                            to "Republicans or Just Plain Greedy": How do you know this creep is a meth addict? By what he did or by how he looks?

                                                                              #24.2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:18 AM EDT
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                                                                              Agree with rob- self defense is best. Also a over the shoulder purse for the ladies with a Lady S&W would have put this clown in his place. You may as well go down fighting.

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                                                                              Reply#25 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 7:19 AM EDT

                                                                              I agree Stonepipe.

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                                                                              #25.1 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 8:56 AM EDT

                                                                              My question is this - was Keyes a regular, or even a semi-regular at her store? If he was, there would have been no cause for her to suspect him untill the gun was pointed at her, then it would have been too late to pull her own. You can't point a gun at everyone who comes into the store - you won't have customers. That is the inherent disadvantage of law abiding citizens.....by the time you know something is wrong, it is usually too late.

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                                                                              #25.2 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 10:47 AM EDT

                                                                              Deb-if you have a over the shoulder purse, say "wait, I have money" and you get the purse aimed at him and you shoot through the purse! You can get a new purse, he can't get a new head. Besides, listen to the voice in your head. Few people are really good at masking what they are.

                                                                                #25.4 - Tue Apr 3, 2012 3:11 PM EDT
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