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Peter Bauer /The Daytona Beach News-Journal via AP
An experimental plane crashed into a supermarket at a Florida shopping center Monday evening.
Updated at 1:30 p.m. ET: Shoppers at a Florida supermarket shouted "Get Out! Get Out!" and "Publix is on fire!" when a small experimental plane crashed through the roof Monday evening, 911 audio reports released Tuesday show. Five people were injured with burns as fire shot through the roof and into the store.
Fire officials said the injured include three shoppers and the two people on the plane, both of whom were hospitalized.
"It was horrific," Randy Felix, told The Daytona Beach News-Journal. "When I turned around, I saw the ceiling caving in. Once the tiles were down, there was just pure fire and then the fire was propelled towards the doors almost to the cash registers."
Felix, who had just finished ordering at the deli, told The News-Journal that he saw a young man running toward him with his legs burned.
Calls to 911 said the single-engine plane showed signs of trouble moments before it hit the roof of the DeLand, Fla., supermarket of the Publix chain.
Listen to 911 audio of the crash and aftermath via KJXT-TV
"I was sitting on my back porch and I just heard a big explosion," one man who lives nearby told NBC affiliate WESH.com. "I came out to see what it was and saw the smoke billowing out of the top of Publix."
WESH.com reported that the plane was an amphibious experimental aircraft that took off from DeLand Municipal Airport and suffered engine failure.
The crash occurred at the Northgate Shopping Center in the 200 block of International Speedway Boulevard, a half-mile from the DeLand Municipal Airport, about 7:30 p.m.
The plane crashed in the back of the store, near the meat department, but those up front said they could still feel the heat from the fire, WESH.com reported.
Amanda Carr was checking out when the plane crash occurred.
"The lights went out and the building shook," Carr told the News-Journal. "I just saw a big ball of fire burning in the middle of the store, and I ran out."
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This is why it's generally a good idea to test experimental planes over unpopulated areas. But then again, this is Florida, so you can't expect too much from them.
FAA governs that.
"Experimental" is also a lable that can be applied to a home-built kit airplane such as those made by Rutan, not necessarily an untested aircraft that someone is flying for the first time.
Thanks for pointing that out Mark, especially to the non-aviators posting here. Next I expect to read that the aircraft "stalled" and then see posters talking about reasons why the engine would quit running......
"Experimental" is a classification given to HOME BUILT aircraft. These are aircraft that are generally built from plans, but usually from kits. Generally, they are no more safe or unsafe than any other type of small, GA (General Aviation) aircraft.
The plane could have been one such as this, as it was described as "amphibious":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osprey_Osprey_2
When you lose power on take-off, there are few options. And sometimes, a pilot will get distracted and stall the plane and crash. This could happen in any type of small plane - and does, with regularity.
Most "experimental" aircraft use the same engines as in General Aviation aircraft. So this type of accident could have happened to someone in a "certified" aircraft like a Cessna.
A Home Built is classified as "Experimental" even if 1000 of the example have been built and flown, and the plane in particular has been flown for hundreds of hours. No real "experimentation" is being done.
REAL Experimental aircraft, such a prototypes, ARE generally flown over isolated areas or the water, for the reasons you state.
I can understand your confusion on this point. The idiot media, which has a responsibility to inform us, does not take the time to research anything - they just re-barf police reports and press releases.
For more information, you might want to check out www.EAA.org
Regardless, my original point still stands: people from Florida are idiots.
Well, you got no argument from me there. One reason I left.
"But then again, this is Florida, so you can't expect too much from them."
Also, if I'm not mistaken, it's the same state in which the original 911 hijackers trained just to learn how to fly a plane and not land one.
Surprised that their oversight doesn't seem to have improved since then.
My best friend from high school was actually at the same flight school as a couple of the hijackers and in a few of their classes.
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Words from another brain dead abortion survivor. ^^
I wonder what part of the north or midwest the pilot moved from to live in Florida.
Chris, does it hurt, being that stupid?
Xbonz and klone - you're really not helping your case. Just so you're aware.
My case doesn't NEED help. Anyone who reads your comments knows exactly what you are.
Just so you're aware.
I'm thinking, as these planes are made nearby this area, it was a Sea Rey Amphib. They're experimental amphibs and the kits are sold either unassembled (do it yourself) or for an extra $20k, they put it all together for you and even has been checked by the FAA. I think if I had the money, I'd rather have it professionally assembled...and people making general remarks about people from Florida; I would have to say after living there for almost 5 years, the 'indigenous' Florida people were genuinely caring, considerate and a pleasure to be around. The transplants from the north east coast, I quickly learned, were all about themselves; greedy, selfish, RUDE, intolerant...TOTAL IDIOTS. And I am from the Midwest...Xbonz. Let me guess..you're from New Jersey. ICK!!!
"Regardless, my original point still stands: people from Florida are idiots."
Out of curiousity. What is your zip code? I am sure all who reside there are Mensa members.
I'm so glad there are so many experts on general aviation on this site </sarcasm>. There is a problem with generalizing. For example, your post sounds really stupid, so you must be an idiot in all facets of your life.
It takes a fairly intelligent person to build, engine, electrically wire, and flight-test an aircraft. In addition, it takes time, brains, and dedication to earn your pilot's license. In this gentleman's case, since he was flying an amphibian, I surmise that he also had a seaplane rating in addition to his basic private certificate. So, despite the general perception of the population of Florida, I doubt the pilot was an idiot.
If you knew what you were talking about, you would also have noticed that two people on the plane were injured; which, unless the pilot was breaking FAA regulations, means that the plane was already out of its mandatory test period during which only the pilot in command (and necessary crew) would be allowed to fly in the aircraft.
We don't know what happened in this case. I do know (cause I looked on google earth), that Deland has two active runways (12-30 and 23-5). I also know, again tanks to google earth, that there is a Publix supermarket 0.6 nautical miles off the departure end of runway 23. Assuming that he crashed on take off, it wouldn't be far fetched to assume that his engine quit just after departure and probably with 300-700 feet of altitude (guessing on a 500fpm climb) which wouldn't give this pilot a lot of altitude to manage his emergency. He was also short on options as the immediate area off of runway 23 is densely built up. His only bets were probably the publix parking lot or roof and heavily trafficked highway 17/92.
These are all educated guesses. We will have to wait for the NTSB report to know for sure. But I think this pilot took one of the few options available to him and he probably avoided a lot more injuries or deaths by hitting the roof of the suppermarket and not a busy highway or a row of houses.
So all you morons making stupid comments, back the f#@k off and give this dude some credit and respect.
The Sea Ray Amphib was the plane I was thinking off. Nice plane too.
As for Floridians, I don't think they are any better or worse than anyone anywhere else.
But there is a "Culture of Belligerence" in Florida - the need of some people to overcompensate for their inadequacies by driving around in monster trucks, straight-pipe motorcycles, and penis boats, making all sorts of noise and posturing as a bad-arse.
It gets tiring after a while.
And of course, Florida has not cornered the market on this. It is just a very, very large populous State, so a lot of stuff happens there.
JM, you are correct, and as I pointed out, when you lose power on takeoff, there are few options. But often, a pilot will not keep the nose down and stall. It happens - to both experimental and certified aircraft.
I think the idea that this is somehow and indictment of experimental aircraft, is flawed.
I agree Robert. On the Sea Rey being a kickass plane (when not crashing into a Publix!--but honestly, this is the 1st report of one going down I've ever heard). I'd love to have one also!
And you do see the arrogance of people everywhere but it is seemingly more rampant in FL, simply due to the population density. That's another reason I was so grateful to leave. It was claustrophobic every day driving to work in Tampa. The entire time we lived there, I think I used my high beams for a total time of less than ONE MINUTE! You wouldn't have an oncoming car, so *blink* high beams, then immediately, an oncomer! We moved back to Iowa. CLEAN AIR...water that doesn't taste like someone ground up a book of matches and mixed it in your glass (or shower!) and again...the people. More tolerance--less idiots, lol.
and that's Sea REY. (vs. RAY--that's the boat--and was my job in FL. I was a Sea Ray sport cruiser and yacht salesman in Tampa/Clearwater--I would love to be a salesman for the REY's though!)
Was the pilot one of The Mentally Ill? They are to blame for everything nowadays, it seems.
Chris - The only thing wrong with Xbonz statement is that it was so true I now have to clean coffee off my monitor from laughing so hard. I grew up in Florida and the only thing wrong with the place was that we had so many people moving down from up north and telling everyone how they needed to live. Well, they got their way. It looks like up north, only with palm trees. So if you think Floridians are idiots, thank the New York school system for that.
Reminds me of the T-shirt that my friends had down there, it read, "I don't care HOW you did it up North!"
A common complaint of the locals, I'm afraid.
The other weird thing was a plumber in Pompano whose slogan was "We Show Up!"
This puzzled me, as showing up seemed sort of, well, a given thing, if you want to get paid.
A year later, they were my favorite plumber. They actually showed up.
In Chris' defense, I think he was trying to be funny, but it backfired. Need to use more emoticons, Chris! ;)
Unfortunately, third-degree burns are not very funny.
No, I really think native Floridians are the shallow end of America's gene pool.
Agreed. I experienced this first hand on a C-172 on my first night flight. Lost the engine on take off about 200 ft off the tarmac. The only reason I'm here typing this is because I was using a 5000 ft runway and had a hell of an instructor who took over and landed (barely) on the remaining runway.
I'm also active in the homebuilt community (2/3 of the way thru an RV-8). So I have had some exposure to both certified and homebuilt aircraft. The fact that I have set every rivet and tightened every bolt on that plane gives me an additional level of confidence that this is going to be way more solid than the 30-40 year old C-172 that almost roasted my ass.
I get the whole experimental designation, and the risks of living near an airport. I do, however, hope the pilot at least TRIED to not hit this store, with whatever means were available to him or her. Tried & failed is better than not caring at all.
You guys do not get what "experimental" means. The term can apply to ANY plane that does not have or conform to a type certificate. For instance, when they attached one 777 engine to a 747, that 747 did not conform to its type certificate because one engine was not the same as the other approved engines and it was officially given an "experimental" certificate.
Modify a stock P-51 to race it and its "experimental" because it does not conform to its certificate.
It has nothing to do with kit planes, it is just a fact that kit planes cant easily have type certificates because different people build them and no two are the same unles the 51% rule applies (manufacturer assembles 51% or more of the plane). Even then it is just too difficult to attain a type certificate under this scenario so experimental is the usually the only option.
Experimental planes are usually just as safe and well built as typed aircraft.
Immediately following takeoff is without a doubt the most dangerous time for an aircraft. There are many things that can go wrong and the pilot has virtually no time to react to the situation. The biggest dangers are the aircraft stalling, losing power for some reason, or getting hit by a downdraft. The plane is usually moving relatively slowly so it has reduced lift, even if it has flaps to extend, and has no altitude to recover from a stall, the effects of a sudden downdraft or to attempt a restart if the engine cuts out for some reason. I am sure that pilot did what he could to try and minimize damage and potential casualties on the ground. The fact that it sounds like no one died means he achieved his goal.
Of course MSNBC has done their usual stellar job of reporting. Thanks to some other, I do not need to explain what experimental means when talking about small aircraft like this. I do have one other bone to pick with MSNBC. The article say:
If six people were injured and three were in the supermarket and two in the plane, where was the sixth person, floating down in a parachute :-) ?!?! Last time I checked 3 + 2 was still equal to 5. Was the error in the total injured (should have said five) or were there really six people hurt and they got the number of people in the store or on the plane that were injured wrong.
StotMata, You are correct, but the vast majority of EXPERIMENTAL aircraft are homebuilts - kits or planes built.
Boeing may have a few hundred "experimental" aircraft at most, at Oshkosh every year, thousands show up. When you see "Experimental" aircraft in the news, likely it is a homebuilt, kitbuilt plane.
I noticed I used the term "certified" here, but "certificated" I think is the correct term.
JS in SD, I think the phrase you are looking for is "Fly the plane" - people get distracted during such emergencies and get into an inadvertent stall/spin scenario. They try to restart the engine and forget to fly the plane.
*sigh* Internet n00bs and their thinly veiled threats... oh, they'll always be amusing. You go ahead and pay some shady internet "tracker" service $70 to find which country my IP proxy is in, if it makes you feel better. Just don't blame me when your identity gets stolen.
I admit, I know nothing about the aviation world, so I was going to ask if anyone could fill me in on experimental planes, as well as guidelines and certification requirements to fly them, etc. I'm glad there are people who have left informative posts and I no longer need to ask!
It's great to know that there were no fatalities in this accident. It could have been so much worse, so even though there were injuries, it's a relief that everyone came away from the incident with their lives intact.
If Floridians weren't idiots, then we wouldn't hear about all the jacked up @!$%# that happens down there all the time. Most of the news classified as 'weird' happens in Florida. Also, it's the same state that let Casey Anthony go! It's a state full of idiots!!
Was the Pilot White? Are the injured Black? Better watch out, this will become the next Rasist Attack against Blacks..I saw "Florida" in the story and expected to see AS, and JJ marching on the Airport demanding a hanging.
what_the_81, Florida only got that way when the fascist rightwing started stealing elections, gerrymandering the election district lines and packing the state capital full of all these rightwing folks. Before this happened and all the stupid ultra-rightwing laws were passed Florida was a great place. Now it just sucks.
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What a sad coincidence - a few hours back an experimental plane crashed in Phoenix AZ killing 2 people in the plane. My condolences to the families involved in both incidents.
What_the_81.... The jury foreman of the trial you are referencing is not from Florida. He was born in Pennsylvania and grew up in Ohio.
Good riddance.
Xbonz, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
I work in a grocery store, in the back, near the meat dept. A railroad track runs literally 10 ft from the back of the store about 5 feet below the roof line. We always joked about it derailing and taking us all out. I guess thats not as unlikely as we thought.
Well, just have an escape plan: if you hear a loud rumble and the ground begins to shake, shove as much Boar's Head as you can under your shirt and bolt for the front of the store.
Or, as we used to say at the frat house: grab your meat and beat it.
That experimental plane was just standing its ground. The super market was in its way and acting aggressively towards the air plane. It had every right to crash into it to protect itself.
If it was a black plane, MSNBC will be calling for the lynch mob soon and crucify that plane through deceptive reporting tactics (like showing pictures of the store when it first opened while showing the plane as some mock up of an Me 209.)
PocketClam-20 FTW!!
That's true, hell has no fury like a meat department scorned!
Let me guess Pocketclam-20, your an attorney, right? To bad some were injured but at least no one was killed.
Florida .. AGAIN !
Moron. AGAIN!
Florida gave us 8 years of George Bush.
And thanks for that!
was the pilot a white hispanic? if so perhaps msnbc can probe further to make sure this wasnt a racial experimental plane crash.
"Florida .. AGAIN"
What a stupid comment. Things happen in every state. Not just Florida.
No .....Nun of us FLuRIdioTS shud be flyin aREoPLanES......
I think it's kind of funny.No matter what state something happens in,you always see people saying "Florida...again,California...again,Ohio...again" and so on.Stuff happens in every state.Yea,Florida's a little crazy sometimes.But at least we can admit to our crazy,and not try to act like we're perfect.You're not perfect either,and neither is the state you live in.And if you judge the whole population of ANY state by some crap you see on the news,then you must be very narrow minded.
I'm perfect. It's the rest of you that keep screwing me up.
Chris,I haven't screwed up anything or anyone. Pretty sure Florida isn't the state with a barista in an icy lake.We're also not the state where a marijuana school got busted.We're not the ones with priests joking about abusing kids.My point is,stuff happens everywhere,even in your own state,and your own town.You may not be directly responsible for it,but I'm not responsible for anything crashing into a grocery store either.Only one or 2 people are,not all of Florida.Where are YOU from that's so awesomely perfect,where nothing ever happens?It's just stupid to judge a whole state by what a handful of people do.
You mad, bro?
I'm not a bro,and no I'm not mad.Just pointing out that no matter what you think,you and your state are not perfect either,and you shouldn't judge a whole population by a handful of idiots.There's a reason Florida is a tourism hotspot,and it's not because people are just dying to get hit by a plane when they're shopping.
What happened to people's sense-of-humor!
I have a sense of humor. I have to. I live here.
The black panthers thought Zimmerman was in the store, so they decided to take him out.
Is that really supposed to be funny?
You're so clever. Now go run along and have your milk and cookies. Grown-ups are talking.
Felix, who had just finished ordering at the deli, told The News-Journal that he saw a young man running toward him with his legs burned.
“Yeah. I had just ordered a half pound of pastrami. But when this guy gives it to me, it’s more like two-thirds of a pound. So I says Hey, that’s too much! And he says It’s pretty close, but I says It’s point-six-two. You’ve got a scale right there—can’t you tell when it says point-five, and just stop? And then this plane comes through the ceiling.“
Calls to 911 said the single-engine plane showed signs of trouble moments before it hit the roof of the DeLand, Fla., supermarket of the Publix chain.
One 911 caller exclaimed, “There’s a plane—it’s upside-down! And it’s on fire! Oh, look! One of the wings just fell off. I think something might be wrong!”
The plane crashed in the back of the store, near the meat department, igniting a flash barbecue and summoning hundreds of hungry local residents.
karl-dean - Shouldn't you be busy with your Nashville mayor responsibilities?
I heard other news orgs earlier this morn treating this like some little humorous fun story to laugh about.
yea, sounds hilarious.
Never a dull moment in Florida.
True Dat!!!! Such crazy people here, must be in the water or something!
even
No it's not the water. We just import a lot of people from other states.
Rotor- Just a quick question, have you *seen* New York City? Yeah, it's Florida that's got all the imports. Wow.
rotor
You live in Florida?
I am sorry for any loss of life and for those injured. It isn't funny.
This is msnbc, tragedy is funny.
since when did winn-dixie become an airport, I guess I'll have to shop some where else, I don't want to have to stand in line for screening, the registers lines are bad enough....
Read the article, ModelTrainMan. Publix, not Winn Dixie. Wouldn't mind actually if a Winn Dixie or two were taken out. Hate shopping there. Would much rather shop at Publix.
publix, pubics, who cares, they all sell pink slime....
who's your daddy...
Model -
Some people, having no wit, don't get sarcasm. Well, maybe they have half a wit..............
here a wit, there a wit, everywhere a wit wit, old mcdonald had a farm
We've got a plane, a crash and a fire but no mention of the pilot's condition.
6 injuries including both occupants of the plane. Says it right in the article. I would imagine that you won't get any specific details such as gory descriptions of the actual wounds until the injured make their own statements to the press. I have built and operated several experimental aircraft over the last 35 years. Only one was ever involved in an accident, a friend forgot to lower the gear when landing in Tucson, AZ and completed wiped the plane out. All were thoroughly tested in a designated unpopulated area as per FAA directive for the first 40 hours (proven aircraft designs using certifed aviation engines can have this test period reduced to 25 hours). After this period I could take non-paying passengers and fly wherever I wanted just like any other certified aircraft but I ALWAYS had to have EXPERIMENTAL marked clearly on the exterior and in the cockpit. In general I have found these homebuilt aircraft to meet or exceed the quality of Witchita spam cans.
"a friend forgot to lower the gear when landing in Tucson, AZ and completed wiped the plane out."
And that kind of accident regularly happens with certified aircraft as well, which is why hull coverage for a retractable is much higher than for fixed gear.
I think the media likes the word "Experimental" as it sounds dangerous, when it just means a kit-built or home-built plane.
I hope the folks in the plane and on the ground are OK. Burns are nothing to laugh at, as some folks have done here.
These small amphibious planes have a real niche in the Carribean community, but have had a hard time making it past the experimental designation largely due to business issues. In this case, it's not the experimental portion of the plane that failed. You'll notice it was engine failure, not some failure of the airframe, such as caused the crash of John Denver's experimental plane. Usually these planes have a non-experimental Lycoming or, at worst, highly reliable Subaru engine. Engine failure is usually a maintenance, not design issue. Let's just be grateful no one was killed.
John Denver's plane crashed when he ran out of gas. I read the accident report on this, and apparently the guy he bought it from put the fuel selector switch and sight gauges in an odd location, which Denver could not reach, due to his small stature. It was behind the pilot's seat, apparently.
It was ruled pilot error, as the pilot-in-command has to insure he has enough fuel before taking off, regardless of the poor design by the builder of the aircraft.
See: http://www.avweb.com/other/ntsb9905.html
"The maintenance technician who helped the pilot move the airplane out of the hangar before the accident flight mentioned that the fuel sight gauges were only visible to the rear cockpit occupant. The pilot then asked the technician about the quantity of fuel shown. The technician told the pilot that he had "less than half in the right tank and less than a quarter in the left tank." The technician said that he estimated the fuel quantity based on the assumption that the gauge presentation was linear. The technician provided a shop inspection mirror to the pilot so that he could look over his shoulder at the fuel sight gauges. The mirror was recovered in the wreckage.
According to other pilots who were familiar with the airplane and/or had flown it, to change the fuel selector a pilot had to: 1) Remove his hand from the right side control stick if he was hand flying the aircraft; 2) Release the shoulder harness; 3) Turn his upper body 90 degrees to the left to reach the handle; and 4) Turn the handle to another position. Two pilots shared their experiences of having inadvertently run a fuel tank dry with nearly catastrophic consequences because of the selector and sight gauge locations.
PROBABLE CAUSE
How did the airplane ever get an airworthiness certificate if the fuel selector and sight gauges were unmarked? The FARs state clearly that controls must be labeled with function and operation.
Beats me. But some people have odd ideas about design. Supposedly the builder didn't want "fuel in the cockpit" so he mounted the sign gauges and selector switch in the back.
Not all homebuilts are created equal.
But then again, a 20-year-old certified aircraft, in poor mechanical condition, could be just as unsafe.
The thing that puzzles me is why John Denver was so eager to buy this plane. It sounded like a nightmare.
So, Chris - have you met all of us in Florida to know we're all brain dead idiots? Florida is comprised of people from all over the U.S. & world. We're very complex down here & comprised of all kinds of peoples & their cultures.
Today Publix Customers in our deli we have fresh cut ham for only $2.99 a pound and we also have a plane for only $5.99 a pound, so come on over and get some while it's hot and thanks for shopping at Publix, "AL" clean up in the deli.....
I'm surprised no bad jokes have been made yet about this, so I'll say it and be over and done with it. I can't just hear it now - fire in the meat department: "I'll take my steaks well done, thank you". Enuf said. I hope that all those injured will recover quickly and well. It really just goes to show you that life can change in a split second. Luckily, so far no deaths have been reported.
You're kidding, right? "No bad jokes made yet"? Did you happen to read the comment directly above yours, or any of the others?
lol Just about every comment here is a bad joke.
To those of you who are always dissing on Florida: The majority of Florida residents are not native Floridians. Florida is populated by people from almost every place on earth. They come here to enjoy the perfect climate, low taxes and low cost of living. I have never heard of anyone from Florida wanting to retire and move "up north" If you are unhappy with our state then I suggest you pack your carpet bag and leave. Those of us who are natives of the Sunshine State will be glad to open all 6 lanes of I-75 and I-95 in a northerly direction to expedite your exit.
With pleasure. Hurricanes, 100% humidity and bugs the size of hockey pucks? No, thank you.
Years ago, on my first visit to Florida, I came out of the bathroom at a friend's house and exclaimed, "There are baby lobsters in your bathtub!" (They were scorpions.) Days later while in the lobby of a hotel, I felt a sharp pinching on my leg. I slapped my leg, stomped my foot a few times, and a lo and behold, a big cockroach fell out of my pant leg. Memories...
The taxes are what drove me out of Florida. $12,000 a year for property taxes on a three-bedroom, two bath house in Pompano Beach?
Maybe Florida has no income tax, but it ain't free, by a long shot.
You don't have to shovel the heat.
I'm not convinced that FL is overwhelmingly populated by idiots. Even then, I'd put up with quite a bit of idiocy to live in weather like Florida's.
Florida's weather really isn't as great as people make it out to be.It should be the heatstroke state,not the sunshine state.I can't stand our weather.It's either humid and hot as hell,or raining.I'd take just about any other state's weather over Florida's.
boatbum - I agree with you. I lived in Florida for nine years until I lost my job and couldn't find another. I really miss it there. It was much cheaper to live there and I felt a lot better too. Now back in NJ for four years and the bills and taxes are killing me, not to mention arthritis. What I didn't care for about
Florida was a mean spiritedness from native Floridians towards northerners who moved there as well as from some northerners who had lived up north too long, I guess. There are plenty of small airports near me and plenty of fliers who crash landed here and there. I hope the Publix is okay - that's the best supermarket around. Love their sandwiches!!!
Most native Floridians would not be hostile to northerners if the northerners did not assume that we are all ignorant crackers and are here only to serve your food in the restaurants and to work the checkout counters at Publix and Walmart. Admittedly, all northerners are not like that but the majority kinda' look down their noses at us as soon as they hear our accents. Even with an MBA and 30 years as a professional I have not lost my southern accent and it never ceases to amaze me how the attitude of strangers changes as soon as they hear me speak. In most cases it has worked to my advantage because they immediately think they are dealing with an IQ that hovers around room temperature.
@jerseykat, There sandwiches are now toasted at that location....
For reals? I moved to Nashville from up north and haven't experienced anything like that. Of course, Nashville is roughly 50% ex-northerners according to my very un-scientific calculations that may be skewed by that fact that I may likely be drawn to other ex-northerners.
They also have a german chocolate cake to die for. I go straight to Publix every time I hit Florida to stock up for my stay. I wish their stores were more nationally located. I have never had bad experiences with anyone there. The ones that didn't look friendly never spoke anyway. LOL
I have an almost completed, futuristic looking hovercraft that I built from plans that I ordered through Popular Mechanics magazine. It's powered with a lawnmower engine, and I will fly it as soon as I receive a part that I ordered in 1962.
Wow, not one Vegetarian used this story to say 'That's why you should stay away from the Meat department!'.
So where's the picture? The only picture I got was one of some old lady pulling some kind of skin off her face.
The pilot was heard to say "Pardon me, do you have any Grey Poupon?"
maybe if someone in the store had a gun they could have "stood their ground" and shot at these flames and taught them who was boss...
And yet another ignorant excuse for a human being is heard from.
I hope they don't let you vote or breed. The thought of that is truly frightening
Ask John Denver about experimental aircraft safety.......
See my posting above. The Long E-Z is a Burt Rutan design and hundreds, if not thousands of them have been built and flown safely.
The fact that the builder of that plane decided to put the fuel selector switch in a weird location that a very short-statured Denver could not reach, is not an indictment of the design or Experimental aircraft in general.
As as the NTSB pointed out, Denver would not have crashed, if he bothered to put fuel in the plane. taking off with 15 gallons for a cross-country flight is not a smart idea, particularly in a plane you just bought and are flying for the first time.
It is a shame what happened to him, but it was also poor judgement on his part - not any indicia of the relative safety of kit or plans-built aircraft.
There was just pure fire in that thar grocery store