Right, don't want to jump to a conclusion, but have all the men in her immediate and extended family been excluded as "persons of interest?"

Yea their MEN NEVER hurt them.

Indeed, this is probably an honor killing. CAIR probably planted the note.

Either way it should not have happened. That just ain't right.

If one disapproves of the doctrines of someones religion you can pray for or nurture their transformation (without proselytizing for any religion) not kill them or burn a burka on their front lawn.

If this is anything other than a real break-in a smart forensic team hopfully will figure it out. I'd like to live in a world where it is still real hard; to say the least, to murder someone and not get caught.

Frankly, you folks are also jumping to conclusions... that a man committed this crime. Just because we have a sausage does not mean we go around slaying people. Check everyone, don't just slam it down on the boyfriend. I always see people IMMEDIATELY jump boyfriends/men in the lives of a woman when they die. Wish I saw that ferocity when a husband dies and his wife purchased a few bottles of poison a few days before hand...

Forensics and hand writing experts can probably determine if the husband or any close relative wrote the note. I am sure the police will conduct a thorough investigation. In the meantime, let us pray for Alawadi's soul to rest in peace.

while it is extremely sad that this woman was killed, did a million "hijabs" show up for the woman who had acid thrown in her face/raped and later committed suicide in Pakistan? That was basically an institutional assist to her demise. Didn't follow the "rules" in her own country and paid for it. If you complain about one instance, make sure you complain about all of them. Nonetheless, no woman should ever have to go through any of this...no matter where she lives or what her faith is. This is way deeper than harrassment.

this story is big time propaganda, why dont they make the same noise,everytime an islamic terrorist kills an american ?? here in seattle, they would sue a cmpany and paralyzed them with protest and frivolous lawsuit,till the company caves in to their bacxkward thinking..or loose their business because the lawsuit is eating up their capital...they dont even have enough evidence that it was hate crime, but there they go...calling it a hate crime,just to condition the mind of the people about their force and what their willing to do..

A lot of us were warning all along that this was a family crime, probably by the father (statistically speaking the most likely, but also maybe the 17 y/o daughter who behaved so strangely on news video after the crime.

We were called xenophobes, racists, bigots, haters, etc., for not buying into that ridiculously transparent threatening note that was left at the scene, and stating the obvious; That a family member killed poor Shaima! We were also castigated for not being "sensitive" to the grieving family. I even at one point said, 'Ok, my condolences to whatever family members were not involved in killing her!'

Well, now that the veil of secrecy is coming off the investigation, the truth is coming out: There never was some crazed racist-bigot targeting Muslim women in El Cajon CA., let alone targeting Shaima for wearing a hijab. It was all an attempt to mislead investigators, just as many of us stated. And it was slander, painting Non-muslim Americans as hating Muslims so much that they were now targeting Muslim women for wearing a hair-covering/hijab, and starting to kill over it.

The "hate" was there, alright, but it was within that screwed up family as information coming out now suggests, wtih more undoubtedly to come. Be sure to read both pages:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/04/records-hint-iraqi-womans-death-not-a-hate-crime/

It will be interesting to see how quickly NBC/MSN/NSNBC and the rest of the mainstream media elites BURY this story now that the hope-for All-American Racist/Bigot/Xenophobic crazed killer of innocent Muslim women who only wish to modestly cover their hair, is about to be unmasked as a family affair, having nothing at all to do with "Islamophobia" or any other bigotry.

i gotta laugh at all the non towlies wearing hijabs..foools!

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this story is big time propaganda, why dont they make the same noise,everytime an islamic terrorist kills an american ?? here in seattle, they would sue a cmpany and paralyzed them with protest and frivolous lawsuit,till the company caves in to their bacxkward thinking..or loose their business because the lawsuit is eating up their capital...they dont even have enough evidence that it was hate crime, but there they go...calling it a hate crime,just to condition the mind of the people about their force and what their willing to do..

Would it make u feel any better if it was an american victim ? It may not be a hate crime but when u have a note saying to go back where u came from, it reeks of hate till proven otherwise.

Everyone,

Yeah, because Muslim men are the only ones whoever harm their wives, daughters, or female acquaintances. You never hear about anyone except Muslims treating women like sh**. Right? Either way, this is a travesty. I hope they find the the truth.

Harlen,

I hope you don't get all pissy when someone talks about "cross wearing" or "Jesus Fish" wearing fools. Wouldn't want to be a hypocrity now, right?

You never hear about anyone except Muslims treating women like sh**.

I'm unaware of any other major religion that makes an institution out of killing and maiming female adherents.

Beth,

>>You seem to be unaware that one of the biggest tenants in this country is freedom of religion -- that's ALL religions, or NO religion, not just the one YOU happen to approve of.

Just because something is called a religion does not mean that we have to respect it and refrain from criticizing it. Islam supports antisemitism, misogyny, slavery, pedophilia, rape, wife-beating and mass murder, and the Koran commands its followers to make the entire world Muslim. All over the world, every single day, people are suffering and dying because of this ideology of hate called Islam. Don't be led astray and fooled by the term "religion."

Be responsible. Vote Conservative 2012.

I have to agree.... labelling this a hate crime is very premature at this point. I think the idea of looking into her family would be a good start, with the very real possibility this was an honor killing. Perhaps her 15 year old who saw this note? It's not like this isn't without precedent. Someone goes to all this trouble to kill this woman, and leaves a note? Who would do that?

the police already seem to be leaning that way in their investigation. when asked by the press, they said this was an isolated incident and the community had nothing to worry about. how could they know that unless the culprit was only a threat to Alawadi, like a relative?

Its to early to label it a hate crime, but it is also too early to not label it a hate crime. Either way, the moment itself is premature because they named it after her.

They are not covering their heads in shame, just because you think they are doesn't make it true.

GED teacher; Funny, I seem to remember a time when catholic and protestant women were required to wear a hat or scarf in church...hasn't been that long...shame on you..hater

GED teacher; Funny, I seem to remember a time when catholic and protestant women were required to wear a hat or scarf in church...hasn't been that long...shame on you..hater

In fact, conservative sects of Mennonites still are.

Women in THIS country don't cover their heads in shame. If you WANT to be part of THIS country--then adapt!!!

Please DON'T teach my children! Because you are clearly ignorant. Many people in this country cover their heads as part of their religion and it has NOTHING to do with shame.

In addition to the Muslims, the Amish, Mennonites and conservative Jews cover their heads. Also, as mentioned, nuns cover their heads. As a young Episcopalian woman, I too covered my head in church.

You seem to be unaware that one of the biggest tenants in this country is freedom of religion -- that's ALL religions, or NO religion, not just the one YOU happen to approve of.

So, before you go back to the classroom, try a little lesson in civics AND religion please.

I might leave you with this quote to get you started ...

But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered, disgraces his head. But every woman praying or prophesying with her head uncovered disgraces her head, for it is the same as if she were shaven. For if a woman is not covered, let her be shaven. But if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. A man indeed ought not to cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God. But woman is the glory of man. For man was not created for woman, but woman for man. This is why the woman ought to have a sign of authority over her head, because of the angels.

First Epistle to the Corinthians, chapter 11. Read verses 3-10.

@GED Teacher- First of all if you really are a teacher... you are in the wrong field. You are only teaching hatred and ignorance. People who are Muslim and choose to wear a head scarf are not covering themselves out of shame. They are quite proud of who they are and they can hold their head up high with out being judged only on their looks. Cause that's what it's all about here and you know it. Women are tricked into thinking the less they wear and the more flesh they show, represents their stature as a woman and how much freedom she has. What a crock!!! FAce it all women today are stared at like slabs of beef. And then you tell me if a woman chooses to cover up and be modest then she is covering out of shame? A woman's beauty should not be flaunted for all to see. Just those that really know her. We should be judged on our personality and actions not on how attractive we look. But then again here we have the freedom to be judged on our looks by who ever passes us by... Now that is a shame.

@Beth-440386,

TY for posting Corinthians. Even though I'm not a bible thumper I do believe in the Christian faith, and others like ours( Judaisim, Islam..)... Don't in any way think this was an honor killing, just an excuse by the right to justify Christian wrongdoings.. as usual, by certain thumpers who blaspheme.....

Then again, I'm black and born in the USA.. I have seen, and heard, and read lots of hate and confliction here in the Good ole' U.S.A.... I have a reason to be suspect.

I'm Just Sayin'....

@Beth well said! Too many ignorant "Americans" think like GED. Fortunately, I am seeing more and more people like you and I who choose to support a persons freedom to worship as they choose, as our founding fathers envisioned.

Thanks to both Unbelievable and Debs -- I too believe that everyone should have the freedom to, or not to, worship as they please and am horrified by the hate-mongers out there!

I think you might be speculating that people posting in here have no compassion, simply because they are providing an opinion to what is being tagged a hate crime before there is proof. Certainly everyone hopes this woman rests in peace, but when a serious accusation is being mounted without proof, I doubt peace will find its way to this family.

well said PD_Rev

Robert, Tim McVeigh did not commit the first terrorist act in America. I assume you have heard about a group called the Ku Klus Klan...not to mention an incident now known as 911.

Muslim is not a terrorist religion, just an excuse for people that want to kill. But it was the christian religion that committed the 1st act of terrorism in this country( tim mcveay ).

Although I whole heartedly agree that no one should assume that Muslim women only wear hi-jabs because they are oppressed by the men in their religion, or all Muslims hate this country and want to hurt it, the statement that "christian" McVeigh committed the first act of terrorism in this country is untrue. 2 years earlier, by Muslims trained by Al-Qaida.

This comment is not meant to reinforce bias against Muslims. Just as all Christians aren't part of a militia (a la McVeigh) - or most for that matter, All - or most - Muslims are NOT part of Al-Qaida. I just figured getting one's facts straight before we jump on a band wagon is important.

2 years earlier, by Muslims trained by Al-Qaida.

This should have been completed "the first World Trade Center bombing took place" or something like that.

Cassandra -- it's the Ku Klux Klan and 9-11 happened AFTER the Oklahoma bombing (April 19, 1995).

However, it could be argued that there were MANY acts of terrorism in the U.S. Some could even argue the original Tea Party was an act of terrorism (especially had the Revolutionists lost).

Beth, the first attack on the WTC happened in 1993 - before McVeigh.

There is no arguing the KKK committed terrorism before other groups. And, thank you for pointing that out. I hate everything the KKK stood - and still stands - for. However, because I am a white woman from the North born after the peak of the civil rights movement, I had not related it on that level before. So thanks for the perspective.

Tam -- I was actually responding to CASSANDRA'S assertion that 9-11 (NOT the first bombing) pre-dated the OKC bombing.

But I agree with you otherwise.

GOOD ONE!

The really upsetting thing, is that these premature protests against the possible hate crime are being carried out on college campuses and school projects. If I were a school parent, you bet I would be protesting...by keeping my own daughter home on wear-a-hajib day.

Why are you against the school teaching your daughter tolerance and compassion? I mean, since you obviously can't do it yourself.

It doesn't matter whether this particular case turns out to be a hate crime or not. I took part in an experiment in which a group of women wore hijabs for a week. I dealt with bias that ranged from people assuming I needed assistance using the library computer to a few truly nasty remarks. I also received one quite threatening remark, (which got a response the creepy punk obviously didn't expect from a woman wearing a hijab).

Women can stand with each other if they wish. If you prefer to stand for hatred and to indoctrinate hatred in your own daughter... on YOUR head be it, and your head covering will be uglier than any hijab, that's for sure.

Because, Patter, all this tolerance and compassion was based on the premise that the hijab had helped lead to a hate crime, so all the protest was a reaction to a hate crime that probably never happened.

Cassandra, I just told you my own experience from wearing a hijab for only one week. There are a lot of people who want to bully, hurt, and even kill others because they dress differently from them.

You either stand with them or stand against them. Preventing your daughter from participating in a school project to promote tolerance means you stand with those who attack anyone who appears different from you, and you're teaching your daughter to do the same.

Regardless of how this individual woman died--and I too question it--the situation exists. I hope you give more thought to where you stand and I wish the best for you and your family.

Cass--I fully understand what you mean. I believe it's laudable to show empathy with other cultures. But these school projects are doing more than that: They are participating in a protest founded on unproven premises.

Patter--You sound like a good-hearted undergrad who has never stepped off a college campus. There is more to open-mindedness than simply jumping on every bandwagon that comes along. Context matters.

Dude --

Patter--You sound like a good-hearted undergrad who has never stepped off a college campus. There is more to open-mindedness than simply jumping on every bandwagon that comes along.

ROFL Don't quit your current job for anything that requires reading people.

I'm a 57 year old career Forex trader. You don't get there by being "good-hearted" and naive.

As for never stepping off a college campus, I've lived in three foreign countries, two of them third-world, and one of them Arab. And the Arab one was AFTER 9/11.

Your post really bears out the amazing tolerance that Americans have towards the Muslim community.

There are a few anti-Islamist blow-hards here and there, here on the vine. I've passed along a bit of anti-Islamist wind myself. I simply think any culture- specifically the aspirants to create Arab country #21, that can innovate the use of children in combination with bomb belts to specifically kill other kids. It is beyond sick. Despicable. I have not much mercy for those that support them and their cause. But, all in all Americans are tolerant. I remember a day , not too long agowhen Texans were proud not to take any guff from anyone and they had a tall-hat six-shooter mentality to boot to back it up. A Muslim from "Muslim reasons" shot up alot of our boys in uniform dead. I don't recall any major "remember the Alamo moments",... "Mable! git my guun!" over that one. Amazing.

Now a family doesn't have a mom.

San Diego paper says it looks like the family helped get rid of mom. Oddly enough she was planning on moving to Texas after the divorce she was trying to get from her husband.

Unfortunately she didn't get away in time. But her killer(s) did. Shaima's husband and two eldest children are now in Iraq and not scheduled to return until mid-April.

Something tells me that one or more of them won't be coming home to face justice, at least not voluntarily.

The whole thing a despicable affair!

I hear religious bias against Christians, especially Catholics, on this site everyday. Anybody concerned about that?

No.

Good point, Dandaman. There are, however, too many folks like Patter who are perfectly comfortable with that double standard.

I don't know what happened there, as I wasn't there. But take a good long look at the Muslim religion referring to women. They have no rights, nada, none! If a man from the Muslim religion feels his wife or daughter did dishonor to his famiy, the wife or daughter gets killed. They call it an honor killing. Don't believe it, research it.

In the USA, there is no excuse for honor killing. You come to our country, you will live by our laws. If you Muslims don't like it, then please get the hell out of my country. Our laws take precdent over you bull manure religious laws.

I hope they find out it was a so called honor killing, and make that SOB towel headed person pay the ulitmat price for his actions. You Muslims live in America, and you will, sooner or later, realize that our laws are the laws of this country. Your religious laws don't count here.

And as to your religious laws, where did those come from when it pertains to women? From that camel dung eating Mohammad? If so, you might want to wake up and join the 21st Century. Your old school BS does not cut it in this country.

Are you serious Mark, the police let the husband and daughter leave the country .W.T.F ???. for sure they wont be back sometime soon.

The same sort of thing happened here in australia a few years ago when a father and son killed the daughter/sister then fled back to where ever they came from. The father returned quite a while later and was arrested and charged but the son never came back.

I wish they would all go home and take their backward ways with them...

1. The women wouldn't be allowed on college campuses.

2. I would pay to watch them try.

That's probably the most reasonable comment I've read all day. Can't be a good sign for MSN's bottom line when posters start actually making sense.

Dudelips22...

People are really sheeple. WAY TOO many are devoid of the ability for form an original thought and need to follow what others say blindly, not knowing or understanding what they say or why. Of course others just do so due to pure unadulterated racism and/or bigotry, and that is their own loss. It's a big world and they do nothing but isolate themselves that way.

In the end, we all bleed the same color. Ultimately we all become food for the insects (unless you're cremated, then you're just that much more potash to use for fertilizer).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not perfect by ANY stretch of the imagination and have my own prejudices. However, I'm at least willing to give EVERYONE the benefit of the doubt, at least until they prove me wrong. Then I disassociate myself from them and they go into the dirtbag folder... and that folder has representatives from all colors, ethnicity, sex, etc. In reality, I would submit that the vast majority of people are the same way, but some just won't admit it.