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Participants holds up signs and wear name tags during a march organized by the National Christian League of Councils for slain teen Trayvon Martin in Tallahassee, Florida on Wednesday.
News Analysis
SANFORD, Fla. – For the past few weeks, while everyone has been listening to 911 tapes, watching police surveillance video, and hearing both sides in the Trayvon Martin case turn up the intensity of their arguments, there's been a lot of speculation about how all of this might end.
Some will never be satisfied unless George Zimmerman, the 28-year-old man who shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, is arrested, charged, convicted and jailed for a long time.
Others insist fairness demands an innocent man, wrongly accused in the court of public opinion, be allowed to get on with his life.
The outcome, of course, will more likely land somewhere in the middle.
Next legal steps
Angela Corey, the special prosecutor who was appointed by Florida's Gov. Rick Scott to investigate the case, has many options.
Corey can decide whether to file charges in the case herself or send the case to a grand jury. She has the latitude to convene that closed-door process here in Seminole County or someplace else. And, of course, she can decide that the Sanford police decision not to arrest Zimmerman, based on his claim of self-defense, is justified.
Trayvon Martin's family and their advocates are demanding an arrest – nothing less.
Their lawyer, Ben Crump, also would prefer that the state attorney issue a warrant for Zimmerman’s arrest herself. Crump has expressed skepticism about the grand jury process, saying he believes they're put in place, "when the police and the government really don't want to charge and arrest somebody." He added, that "private proceedings have never boded well for people from Trayvon's community."
Zimmerman's camp now includes two lawyers. Craig Sooner, Zimmerman’s original lawyer, has been joined by Hal Uhrig of Maitland, Fla., who has extensive experience with police matters, according to the bio on his website.
Sonner has said repeatedly that Zimmerman has been cooperating with authorities, and will surrender himself if charged with a crime. Sonner also said Zimmerman "has not been judged fairly" in the court of public opinion.
And if the case ever goes to court, Sonner said, "It’s going to be tough to find a neutral and detached jury to hear the facts. Because ultimately in a court case, you have a judge that rules on the law, but in the end it’s the jury that determines the facts."
Facts vs. perception
With the video and audio out there in the public square, along with media interviews of "witnesses," and so much other reporting, so many people are sure about what they think happened. And many have their own understanding of what they think the law is, or how it should be applied.
From the start, for many people, all of this has been a reminder of the Rodney King case in Los Angeles back in the early 1990s. Even that familiar chant, "No justice, No peace," echoes here in Sanford. I covered that incident and most of what followed.
Yes, there are huge differences. King was being arrested by several police officers. The Martin-Zimmerman incident is between two private citizens.
But the common denominator is that the public has seen and heard what many believe to be crucial moments in the confrontation. King and the officers were videotaped by a passerby, secretly. Remember, in the King case in state court, a jury found three officers not guilty, and did not reach a verdict on the fourth officer charged. Later, two officers were found guilty of civil rights charges in federal court, and two were acquitted.
Sanford is certainly not Los Angeles. The anger and outrage there exploded into days of violence and destruction. Here, activists are threatening to escalate their marches and rallies to acts of civil disobedience like sit-ins and "pray-ins.” Another possibility they are discussing is an economic boycott of businesses or organizations that support Florida's so-called “Stand Your Ground Law,” which Zimmerman's lawyers argue is the basis of his claim of self-defense.
Either way, a ‘tough road ahead’
The protesters face the challenge of keeping up the momentum. Two recent rallies in Miami and here in Sanford fell well short of the tens of thousands organizers had predicted.
Sonner, Zimmerman's lawyer, also has said he finds it hard to see how Zimmerman will ever get past all of this unless there's an open public resolution.
"No matter how things turn out in this case, he's got a tough road ahead," Sonner said in a recent interview. That's certainly not to say he thinks there should be a trial. He said he does not.
As the days pass, the case gets more complicated. It’s unlikely to end without more outrage, and without more pain for the two families at the center of this.
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NBC, ABC,CNN need to be prosecuted for doctoring the "news". Then all of these networks and their employees need to be sentenced for HATE crimes. They are sick Race Baters. Disgusting!
I know freedom of the press is important, but there should be responsibility and accountability with what they "report." I do agree that they try to keep something stirred up all the time. They have become not much better than the Enquirer. A propaganda machine for the left.
You send your ace reporters back to Journalist school to re-learn the basics of Fair and Unbiased news reporting.
That is where you go........
So telling the truth, that Zimmerman shot an unarmed teen to end a fight that Zimmerman started, is now race-baiting. He needs to be prosecuted. It's that simple.
"Where do we go"?
Perhaps we go to the facts and not conjecture. Then we aim for a real court of law. We cannot rely upon a judicial system if the system has already convicted someone prior to the court appearance. It's a tragedy and a shame what happened but it would be a greater tragedy to allow opinion and not fact to dictate the lives of all as our media so often does.
For this I want to thank NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, CBS and the rest of the media that feels its more important to make news rather than report it! The over the top sensationalism, and rush to judgement by so called "journalists" has served to inflame passions that incited a mob mentality which has further eroded race relations and civil rights in America.
#22 - Thu Apr 5, 2012 3:21 PM MDT
I cannot agree more with most of the above posters. The BS News stations have made this even a worse tragedy. They posted bad pictures, bad information and kept it at the "top" of the news.
In the case of this site it is clear they had already judged and they wrote news stories to support their position, the truth be damned.
We don't need a new news article on every speculation that can be dug up or made up.
The news people have become so low and despicable. It appears that "news" today is all based on who can get the best ratings, not provide real news.
I spent 3 years during high school in journalism, we were taught from the beginning to only write information that was provable, we were not to speculate or comment on a story. Speculations, comments and judgement were for the editorial page. And that page had to have integrity.
It clearly is not that way anymore. It reminds me of "no honor amongst thieves."
The media are the same today as the media from when our grandfathers/ great-grandfathers were alive. Yellow journalism got us into the Spanish American War convicting the Spanish of blowing up the battleship Maine. We are myopic in our belief that things from yesteryear were so much better. My g-g-grandfather was in the state legislature circa 1855 and wrote home that the current session would have long been over except for the large number of lawyers who spoke at great length about nothing! Nothing has changed with lawyers and nothing has changed with newspapers / journalism. Live with IT!!!!!
Media bias is rampant sorry in my life experience the real racists in america are not the now much maligned white people but the different shades of brown.
Why the media continues to enflame hatred of white people is disgusting.
I very rarely hear white people make racial slurs or talk badly about other racial groups but I hear blacks and Latinos rip each other and other people apart almost everyday.
How many other even more senseless shootings occur we never hear about?
Everyday black on black crime occurs it rarely makes news where is the compassion for those innocent victims?
Disgusting display of babbling fools
@ ray butt So you have all the facts.George started the fight?According to Trayvons Girlfriend In trayvons words some guy was following him,not chasing,stalking or hunting.Also in his girlfriends words all George did was ask a question,then the phone disconnected.After that she speculated a scuffle started.By her phone records that was 7:00pm.The shot was heard on 911 calls at 7:15.No two men even trained can fight for 15 minutes,boxers only go 3 mins.So what happened in those 15 mins?This is where the media comes in skewing the facts making guesses as to what happen they are the ones who lied to keep the heat up to sell more stories.So if george was following him then he would have to walk back to his car near where the shot was fired.You tell me what Trayvon did in those 15 mins?
MSNBC is complicit in racebaiting and distorting the facts. This is not news its spin. Spun to fit their agenda. Sensationalized news! They have made sure this was not so much about the death of person, but about race from the very start. They bring in their employee Rev Al Sharpton to stir the seeds of hate and dissent. Read between the lines people. Thousands of blacks are killed in the streets every year and never even reported by the major networks. Now they have to damage control because they've been caught. Lying liers! Just dispicible. A trusted news organization........... HA!
Rocky,
The T Mobile documentation shows that Trayvon's girlfriend called him at 7:12 PM EST and ended moments after Zimmerman reached Trayvon.
The 911 call that Zimmerman initiated began at 19:17 EST which is 7:17 PM EST, and lasted 4 min and 10 seconds, hence ending at 7:21 PM EST give or take a few seconds
Trayvon was declared dead at 7:30 PM EST after 3 unsuccessful attempts to "revive" him. They were not on the scene at the time of the shooting, but sent per the phone calls from many of the other residents at the time of the shooting (one just prior to it which captured the screams for help). Trayvon was dead 5 minutes before he was officially declared dead (2 min for the ambulance to arrive and 1 min for each attempt to revive him) as those 2 witnesses who came out to their back yard (about 100 feet away from any street or sidewalk) at the moment of the shot saw Trayvon was dead.
Hence, in a 4 minute span, 2 minutes of which was Trayvon screaming for help, Zimmerman ended his 911 call and shot Trayvon.
Trayvon didnt have any time to "plan an attack" on Zimmerman ..Zimmerman was "upset" (as witnessed by his language while on that 911 call) and has a consistent issue with violent expressions of his anger since at least 2005, when he became a legal adult (we have no access to juvenile records). This is recorded in police reports, court documents and his firing from the security guard position in 2005 (google "Zimmerman's co-worker says he was a jekyll and hyde").
What happened in the 2 minutes between Zimmerman ending his 911 call and the screaming ... it definitely wasnt Zimmerman checking the street sign as he claimed, and it wasnt that he returned to his car as he claimed.??? and if his head was bashed against pavement (while they were seen on the grass outside one callers window), injuries would be at the point of first contact .... dead center skull, not top right side of the back of the head. The injury was probably that high cuz he couldnt hit the back of his own head and lower than that. Both the witnesses and the original police officer stated that Zimmerman had "self imposed" injuries ... but that was in an article a month ago.
Skiddy
but there should be responsibility and accountability with what they "report."
Brother you said a mouthful there!
@recycled hope you are a liar.Go to sanford city web site for offical phone records.Not the estimates you are quoting from Cnn.I saw those too.But I know the media is putting there own spin on things.Reply with your sources I gave you mine.This is the real stoey is about the media hype.Try offcial sources not what your heart wants to hear
Hope, you seem to have internalized this story in a personal way.
@Rocky, you aren't right either. Martin's girlfriend's phone records are not on Sanford's website, and Zimmerman's 911 call came in at 7:09 p.m., not 7:00 p.m. That makes a difference.
Regardless, sue the SOB in civil court and take him for everything he's got...even if he's never arrested! He won't be able to run from that!
Ken, I think Latinos and blacks should have equal rights under the law. One of those rights is the presumption of innocence. This has worked well for white people, and it will work well for everybody if applied without prejudice.
This punk after walking through the gates should have been in his house with in 5 minutes, No innocent kid to me, he was up to no good. leave Zimmerman alone....
He was up to no good with his Skittles and Gatorade!
Idiot.
Recycled Hope
I am still waiting for Your reply.Read my post below I didn't put a Title on it.Antoine MD reposted your reply.I have seen it before.So still waiting.
The line about Sanford is not LA is BS. The same leaders calling for boycotts did not call for pulling a man out of his car and beating him in front of his wife and children on the evening news nationwide. Which is what happened after the Rodney King trial. They have no control of the mob anymore. I think every reporter should be forced to watch the library footage of that riot like I did at six and ten. Especially Piers Morgan he needs to understand this is not Great Britian.We did not have the nice sanitized news with the violence warning you get now. The news showed the blood running down people's faces.
Hey Ray Butt, according to witnesses Zimmerman did NOT start the fight, Trayvon Martin did. Get your facts straight at least.
The timing is referred to in the actual police report from the officers who were first on the scene.
Ofc Timothy Smith was the first officer on the scene, here is his report submitted 2/27/2012 at 3:29:
On 2/26/2012 at approximately 1917 hours I responded to 1111 Retreat View Cir. in reference to a report of a suspicious person. As I arrived on scene, dispatch advised of a report of shots fired in the same subdivision.
I was advised by dispatch that the report of shots fired was possibly coming from 1231 Twin Trees Lane. I was then advised after receiving multiple calls that there was a subject lying in the grass between the residences of 1231 Twin Trees Ln. and 2821 Retreat View Cir. I responded to 2831 Retreat View Cir. and exited my marked Sanford Police vehicle and began to canvas the area. As I walked between the buildings I observed a white male wearing a red jacket and blue jeans I also observed a black male wearing a gray hooded sweatshirt laying face-down in the grass.
I asked the subject in the red jacket, later identified as George Zimmerman (who was original caller for the suspicious person complaint), if he had seen the subject. Zimmerman stated that he had shot the subject and was still armed. Zimmerman complied with all of my verbal commands and was secured in handcuffs. Located on the inside of Zimmerman's waist band, I removed a black Kel Tek 9mm PF9semi auto handgun and holster. While I was in such close contact with Zimmerman I could observe his back appeared to be wet and was covered in grass as if he had been laying on his back on the ground. Zimmerman was also bleeding from the nose and the back of his head.
Shortly after securing Zimmerman Ofc. Ricardo Ayala arrived on scene. I advised Ofc. Ayala that I had not made contact with the black male subject laying on the ground. I observed Ofc. Ayala make contact with the subject and attempt to get a response, but was met with negative results. Shortly after this other officers began to arrive on scene and along with SFD Rescue 38 who began to give aid to the subject lying on the ground.
Zimmerman was placed in the rear of my police vehicle and was given first aid by the SFD. While the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, I over heard him state "I was yelling for someone to help me but no one would help me.” At no point did I question Zimmerman about the incident that had taken place. Once Zimmerman was cleared by the SFD, he was transported to the Sanford Police Department.
Zimmerman was placed in an interview room as SPD, where he was interviewed by Investigator D. Singleton. Zimmerman was turned over to investigators and this was the extent of my involvement in this case.
The Kel Tek handgun that I collected from Zimmerman was placed into evidence under TS-1.
Ofc. Ricardo Ayala’s statement submitted 2/27/2012 2:28
On 2/26 at approximately 1917 hours I was dispatch to 1111 Retreat View Cir in reference to a complainant seeing a suspicious person in the area. While en route dispatch stated that they were receiving calls in reference to gun shots being heard in the area where I was responding to.
Ofc. T. Smith stated via radio that he was arriving in the area. Ofc. T. Smith later states that there was only one subject shot and he had one at gunpoint.
Upon arrival Ofc. T. Smith had a white male later identified as George Zimmerman, in custody. Zimmerman was also the original caller in reference to the suspicious person.
I then noticed that there was what appeared to be a black male wearing a gray sweater, blue jeans, and white/red sneakers laying face-down on the ground. The black male had his hands underneath his body. I attempted to get a response from the black male but was met with negative results. At that time Sgt. Raimondo arrived and attempted to get a pulse on the black male but none as found. At that time Sgt. Raimondo and I turned the black male over and began CPR. Sgt. Raimondo did breaths and I did chest compressions.
Sgt. S. McCoy arrived on scene and relieved me continuing compressions. Sanford Fire Rescue arrived on scene and attempted to revive the subject but could not. Paramedic Brady pronounced the subject deceased at 1930 hours.
The scene was then secured with crime scene tape by Ofc. Mead and Ofc. Wagner. Ofc. Robertson began a crime scene contamination log.
Lt. Taylor arrived on scene and notified dispatch to have Major Crimes respond to the scene. Ofc. Mead and Ofc. Wgner were able to make contact with neighbors in the area. They were able to obtain statements from all witnesses on scene.
The scene was turned over to SPD Major Crimes.
What I find absurd is that they are trying to claim that all of Zimmerman's calls reporting suspicious people in his neighborhood, all of whom were black, does not make him a racist because he did not bring up the suspicious person's race and only mentioned it in response to questions from the police. This is bull@!$%#!!! The fact that he reported black men, and only black men, as being suspicious says pretty clearly that he is racist against blacks. Apparently Zimmerman thinks that any black man in his neighborhood that he does not know is suspicious but people of other races in the neighborhood that he does not know are not suspicious. If this does not scream racist to you than you are unbelievably naive.
There had been a number of break-ins in the neighborhood and Zimmerman was out to be the hero who caught the burglar. This idiot with no law enforcement training went out and shot an innocent black teenager in his narcissistic quest to be the neighborhood hero. This is a prime example of why neighborhood watch guidelines state to overriding principles very clearly. First, neighborhood watch members are supposed to observe and report, but never try and confront or detain suspicious persons and second, neighborhood watch personnel should never be armed. This two main principles are in place to prevent exactly the type of vigilantism that Zimmerman exhibited and to prevent the death of innocent people as occurred here. Zimmerman got out of his car and pursued Martin, so any claim of self defense or "stand your ground" is bull@!$%#. Zimmerman clearly became the aggressor the minute he ignore police directions and got out of his car to pursue Martin. To allow Zimmerman to instigate a confrontation and then claim self defense in shooting Martin would be a massive miscarriage of justice and make a mockery of the intent of the "stand your ground" law. The law was never intended to protect those who provoked confrontations and then used deadly force to end them because it was the only way they could win the confrontation. In saying this, I am even giving Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt that there was a confrontation where Martin struck him. However, the fact that the confrontation was initiated by Zimmerman when Martin was doing absolutely nothing wrong or illegal clearly says that this is not a case of self defense. This is a case of an out of control vigilante with an itchy trigger finger trying to play hero who ended up killing an innocent kid and is now trying to spin the story to avoid going to prison for committing murder.
Recycled hope I first replied to your time line(,Which is totaly wrong) on phone records.After reading again your post I have com to the conclusion that you are nut's.What a bunch of senceless speculation.You think he did it to himself.What about two of your other favorite smoking gun witnesses.The two ladies that swear it was Trayvon screaming.They came right out before george got up.Your story is babble spliced together from every bias news story put out to inflame you.Get some real facts look at police records the offical timeline.And for god's sake some of your own witness or fuzzy video.
Misscreant
They are there under 911 call's.I said Trayvons Girlfriend 's call was at 7;00 it is on the web site.Not Zimmerman.The shot was heard at 7:15 It is on site,There is a list of I think 7 listen to them.The First officer was dispatched at 7:17
Ken Johnson
If the castle doctrin stands George is immune from civil proscution,and so is everyone else involved.
So to reconstruct a timeline:
1917 hours (7:17 PM)--Zimmerman calls/officers dispatched
1921 hours (approximate)--Zimmerman's call to 911 ends after 4 min 21 sec; at this point Martin is still alive.
???? hours--911 caller is on the phone saying two men are fighting outside her back porch. Sounds of a struggle and a person calling for help is heard, and then one shot rings out. By the time the caller hangs up with 911, police are on the scene, as attested to by the caller stating that she has seen a flashlight. That would have been the first officer on the scene, as neither Zimmerman nor Martin reportedly had flashlights when found. If we can pinpoint the exact time that caller called, we will have an exact moment the bullet was fired, and that will narrow the timeframe down even more. If someone knows of a CREDIBLE link to an UNEDITED transcript of every 911 call made that night in connection with the shooting, please post the link so we can add that last piece of the puzzle. [EDIT: 911 tape transcript WITH TIMESTAMPS.]
1930 hours--Paramedic Brady declares Martin dead after Officer Ayala, Sergeant Raimondo, and Sergeant McCoy, and Paramedic Brady himself have attempted to revive Martin unsucessfully.
Now, Zimmerman's story is that he called 911 about a suspicious person, then per the dispatcher's instructions he stopped following and returned to his vehicle, at which point he says he was jumped from behind by Trayvon, punched hard enough to break his nose, had his head slammed into the sidewalk multiple times, at which point he pulled a gun and shot the teen.
But there's only nine minutes between the time Zimmerman's call disconnected and Paramedic Brady declared him dead. Assuming that each officer spent about a minute attempting resuscitation and the paramedic himself, that cuts another four (approximately) minutes off that time table.
Is that really enough time for what Zimmerman said happened to have actually happened?
(Please note--this has been reconstructed from only VERIFIABLE sources--the police report and the 911 tapes. The ONLY source that is not verifiable and is hersay is Zimmerman's account of the incident itself.)
Recycled Hope
You were fine until you get here.
First, by the police report all over the internet, one of the eyewitnesses the police talked to that night described a man in a red jacket on the ground with a man in a hoodie striking the man on the ground. The man on the ground was screaming for help.
Second, from the coroner's report, the only wound on Treyvon's body was the gunshot wound. If he isn't injured - Why is he the one screaming for help? That makes no sense at all!
Third, If a 240 man gets on top of you, and you weigh 140 lbs (he was actually 160 lbs) even if you are a football player (Treyvon was) you are not going to get him off you that easy.
Fourth, to get someone 1 1/2 times your weight down, the easiest way to get them down is fast. If they are alert to what you are doing, you are not going to get them down without a huge effort. You have to surprise them whether a significant blow to the face, Jump them from behind/side, take their legs out from underneath by dislocating a knee cap, or use their aggression to throw them tthem. I've experienced a broken nose several times. When you receive one, you are daised, can lose your balance, and some fall to the ground.
You couldn't have researched very much, because you would have found that Zimmerman also recently single handedly demanded and got justice for an African American who was mistreated by the police.
You need to stop listening to people who are misleading you. We have enough problems in our great country without making bad ones worse than they are. The only way to stop it is with verifiable truth.
Rocky,
Sorry it has been a while ... I find that life's needs tends to get in the way of posting comments. I am back now (enough gardening done before sunset and dinner was satisfying) and here are your links since you couldnt do it yourself.
ps: you gave me nothing but your synopsized version of a cnn article. I have found that cnn cant even quote anyone correctly: example - the audio specialist specifically stated they needed at least a 90% match (not 90% probability, but match) and they couldnt get that straight. They stated 60% in more than one article. When one of them screws up, the others that use their info dont verify it before vomitting it over again and again.
I used the actual 911 calls and the police report to verify what I was reading and to make an INFORMED decision of what I feel is happening.
Next time you "give your backup", USE LINKS like the rest of us do.
Here is a link to a video that has combined all of the 911 calls from that incident, beginning with Zimmerman's. You can time Zimmerman's call like I did. It is 4 min and 10 seconds long in its entirety. About 10 min into that video, you will hear one of the residents decribe 2 males fighting with the one on top wearing a white T-shirt, not a dark hoodie as Zimmerman stated Trayvon was wearing. Zimmerman was wearing a light green T-shirt.
Here is a link to an article about Trayvon's last phone call with his girlfriend. Scroll to the middle of the page to see that it was indeed 7:12 PM EST that he called her.
Apparently Zimmerman called moments before 7:17 PM since 911 dispatches police immediately (so he was stalking Trayvon for almost 5 minutes before calling 911) and according to this linked police report, the police officer was "dispatched at 1917 which is 7:17 PM EST. The 911 dispatcher did state for Zimmerman to "stay in his car" since police were on their way already. You will also see that the official time of death is 1930 hrs which is 7:30 PM EST.
The last link I will give you is for the Huffington Post article "Trayvon Martin Case: George Zimmerman Was 'Jekyll And Hyde,' Former Co-Worker Says" which is where you can see, given all of Zimmerman's issues, he is a Equal Opportunity Assaulter. He would have done the same with a white kid since he knew "daddy would take care of everything" in case it got out of hand. That is why now there is a federal investigation on the Sanford Police Department commencing and retired jugde daddy and his friend , the DA, may be getting both themselves and the florida judicial system investigated by the DoJ.
Anything else, RESEARCH IT YOURSELF.
I am not a liar and obviously a much better researcher than yourself.
Now, I shall report you for personally attacking me and my veracity.
Another 17-year old shot in Sanford and Al Sharpton in nowhere to be found. Oh wait. It was just another crack slinging gang banger shooting another crack slinger. Nothing to see here. Move along.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-04/news/os-three-shot-sanford-pregnant-woman-20120404_1_pregnant-woman-gunshot-wounds-stable-condition
JS in SD You have just intonated exactly what I and many other rational people think......The only thing you left out is the possible relationship between the states attorneys office and the Zimmerman family......Since he had a habit of being charged with criminal acts and never convicted one probably exist. People who can justify the following scenario confound me......Your son goes to a seven eleven a few blocks away and on his way back is shot and killed. He had not commited a crime until he came face to face with the shooter and then you are told nobody but the person who killed him witnessed him break any laws......Yes the shooter does have a history of violent charges but he has never been convicted... Oh yeah and the shooter will not be charged with any crime......because there were some witnesses that saw a confrontation between the shooter and your child this corroboration compels us to believe the shooter......Did they see who started it?..... no... Drug or alcohol test the shooter ?...no.. but we did drug and alcohol test your son's body and you'll be happy to know he wasn't on drugs...Why would we drug test the shooter? Now I can't think of anything that could justify that ......But then I'm sure there are people who believe that this behavior can be perfectly explained and the shooter should be exonerated .....That is until the police show up on their door with the same report about their child..... I guess I am guilty of expecting too much..........History repeats itself. When mainstream america not only accepts but expects this type of tradgedy to occur.... then you have a cauldron that is not only brewing but ticking too.
well said Mr Right now
I can only say it once you are now quoting the dispatch times.Not the phone records.Go to the sanford city web site.listen to the 911 calls note the times.The last lady antoine that was arguing your post went there read and I guessed Listen.She claimed the 911 calls were doctored.I have been through this about 20 times when they finaly go there to "prove me wrong"they nrver reply again.Not a man or a woman can say they are wrong.I will see your reply tomorrow.
Never mind Hope and right.You guys are nuts!What asylum are you guy from?Let me guess the Beatles Killed J.F.K. LOL
This quote from the article cracks me up:
"With the video and audio out there in the public square, along with media interviews of "witnesses," and so much other reporting, so many people are sure about what they think happened."
This, coming from a "news" organization that got caught doctoring the audio of the 911 calls.
Lols.
Recycled Hope
So we are to believe ONLY your side of things? Per some reports Trayvon and the girlfriend were on the phone for 16 minutes. The link YOU provided, and I have seen before, shows a call at 7:04 and 7:12. also of note is that supposedly the girl went to the hospital the next day yet that same bill shows a call to 911 on march 2 which is 5 days later.
Then you want us to take a YOUTUBE video that is clearly biased towards Trayvon as gospel? Get real. Why should we NOT believe the timeline of CNN? The recordings are available at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/16/trayvon-martin-911-audio-_n_1354909.html They include not only Georges call but subsequent calls including the voices in the background and shot fired. The appear to match with the CNN timeline as well as the estimated time of death and officers arriving on scene. Police were seen by the caller from 7:16 and the shot is clearly heard at 46 seconds after the call is started. By 7:18... two minutes into the call, police are on scene. That conforms to police reports that they were updated at 7:17 shots had been fired... George had been off the call for several minutes by that time based on the 7:09 start time of Zimmermans call and lasting 4 plus minutes moves him to 7:13 allowing 4 minutes to shot fired. Really not all that long, considering that he was easily 2 minutes into the call before losing site of Trayvon. Thank you I will stick with the transcripts of a suspect media outlet before I will trust youtube and a biased video posted there.
I've been following and researching this since March 26 when MSNBC posted their clear attempt to make this about race. That wouldn't happen to be because "The Reverend" Al Sharpton is a spokes person at MSNBC would it?
No one is calling you a liar, we are questioning your research which we obviously feel is biased or based on flawed information.
awwww did your feelings get hurt? That report comment button is down here>>>>>>
The ONLY source that is not verifiable and is hearsay is Zimmerman's account of the incident itself. Wrong
The girlfriends account is also covered under the hearsay rules of evidence, sorry to say but that is a fact.
By the way were is all the outrage about these cases, the ones were 4 young black people, one 17 and one was a pregnant woman shot just blocks from the "Justice Marches" not gotten any attention.??????
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46952161/#.T35E8ltAUTA
Just very curious is all.
Rocky, I went through all the calls, and there is nothing relating to Martin's girlfriend. She did not call 911. There is no interview with her on Sanford, Florida's website.
Robbob they just don't care about them because Lil trayvon marton is a god for that community. I'm not sure who's right or wrong in this case though. So far zimmermans statement is accurate but so is the unarmed civilian. Right about now they have no real good evidence that convicts zimmerman or justifys what he done. Either way this case has a bad ending either way. Zimmerman found guilty it will turn into a race battle because he's an american-latino (like me) But if he's found not guilty then the same thing will happen only with the black community. Both are bad outcomes because they normally end in riots to the death. Shuffling throught all the evidence it looks as if zimmerman will be in the clear but i'm still missing the un'cut 911 calls. Like I said though. Turns out bad for both sides. No justice wil ever be served after this case.
You two - Trust and Verify - seem to be cop wannabes. Entertaining at best. Thanks to you both.
BTW - Zimmerman walks as he should. The liberal media saw to it when they started playing judge and jury. As for sending journalists back to school - allow me. Not one of these so called journalists know how to research even with all their modern technological devices. These same people who call themselves journalists most likely got passed through the public school system whether or not they learned and thing. It's public school after all. Then they entered college and learned they stuff they were supposed to learn in public school was real important. So now what to do. Well, I don't think they did the right thing, they found a way out and learned how to look into a camera - NOT report the news in an unbiased fashion, which they might have learned had they paid attention in school all those years ago. Now the only way to conduct business - or journalism - is through what ever means they can - legally/illegally, right/wrong, professionally/unprofessionally. It doesn't matter, they put their spin on it and let it roll.
Just my opinion. Like it or not.
Let's see:
Sanford police site???? Official records???? I'd believe anyone but!!!
The News:
Did not make Zimmerman target this child
Did not make him get out of his car and stalk the kid
The news certainly did not dry-gulch and murder him
The body was face down. So, he attacked Zimmerman with his back to him (zimmerman)???? If he shot him while Treyvon was on top, the police would have found Treyvon on his back!!!
What Castle Doctrine???? Zimmerman was not at home--his father's house????
I would scream for help if I had a gun in my face!!!
Verifiable truth indeed, but we don't have that yet!
What other black murders got to do with this murder???? Maybe we compare how the police handle them vs this case. Otherwise, totally irrelevant!!!
One last note: ISPs can be gotten with court order for your comments of defamation of Treyvon by some here, if his parent decide to question said comments here.
This from WAGIST
Timeline of events
Here’s Zimmerman’s call to police with proper timing synced.
http://youtu.be/9BI03-MRKnI
And a map of the Retreat at Twin Lakes complex.
[Full-size version]
As I’ve written about previously, Trayvon Martin had plenty of time to make it back to his temporary residence, Brandy Green’s townhouse, if he had wanted to.
Position [F], where Martin’s shooting occurred, is only 35 yards from where Zimmerman’s truck was parked [C], and only 70 yards from Brandy Green’s townhouse [D]. It would only take Trayvon around 30 seconds to jog that distance, less if he actually ran.
Until now, it has been somewhat of a mystery why Martin never made it back to Brandy Green’s townhouse when he was so close, and how he and Zimmerman ended up at position [F], so close to Zimmerman’s truck.
Had Martin jogged straight to Brandy Green’s when George Zimmerman first reported him running at 7:11:42, he would have been there by 7:12:12. Considerably before Zimmerman could even finish giving police directions to the complex.
Here’s an estimate of Trayvon’s route back to Brandy Green’s townhouse:
This has baffled the police investigating the case as well. They couldn’t figure out why Trayvon didn’t simply go to Brandy Green’s if he felt threatened, especially when he was so close. All reports had indicated he was heading that direction.
Dudes cut and sampled the 911 call.
MSNBC = Hate Crimers.
Sad, but TRUE.
Whipping up the races for thier Corporate Masters.
Shame on you, MSNBC, SHAME on you.
And the SAME thing is going to continue happening to blacks, Native Americans, and Latinos until this issue is actually treated with the seriousness that it deserves.
Trayvon Martin isn't just Trayvon Martin
Trayvon Martin is Amadou Diallo, Abner Louima, Oscar Grant, Sean Bell, DJ Henry, Joseph Guzman, Rodney King...a long list of people of color who have been brutalized by law enforcement or representatives of law enforcement just because of what they look like. And many other nameless people who get routinely harrassed every day because of what they look like. An unarmed black female just got shot by police last weekend in Chicago. An unarmed male was shot by police in Atlanta 2 weeks ago. And these are people who are supposed to be "protecting" the community - I guess blowing unarmed people of color's brains out is what they think will do the job.
What is it going to take to realize that this is just a symptom of a larger problem in the United States (and worldwide) and understand WHY people are outraged, and take steps to solve it. This isn't about "hate". This is about an epidemic of people being mistreated by the people you ALLEGE are here to protect us. No criminal record, but every time I hear a cop siren I'm afraid. Shouldn't we do something about that?
Oh really? What people of color have any real power to deny you a job, or a loan, or anything?
The media...that is controlled by white people???
LOL, this is a racist lie. just google "racist jokes" and see how many "white jokes" come up compared to "Asian jokes", "Black jokes", "Mexican Jokes", etc. There is one racial slur for white people compared to almost 30 for black people (and no, "cracker" (short for whip-cracker) and "honkey" are NOT racial slurs). How many websites can you find on the internet that are unequivocally against whites? 0. However, you can find Jihad watch, Chimpout, Stormfront, VNN, Amren, CofCC, etc. All white supremacist sites, most with THOUSANDS of active member.
Funny how people practice racism and make this out to be about black-on-black crime, which largely stems from the illegal drug trade (with drugs that white folks smuggle into the US) and the subsequent "war on drugs". What does violence due to the drug trade have to do with the rash of non-white males (and sometimes females) being brutalized at the hands of representatives of law enforcement? I would say that me living in everyday fear of a group of people who are supposed to "protect" me is FAR worse than the threat of me being shot as a result of an illegal drug trade that I'm not even a part of.
Black on black crime doesn't make news because no one cares about black people dying.
Where do 'we' go?
I'm going to work, then going home for dinner and to enjoy the weekend.
This incident was nothing more than a statistic, the media made it about race.
Ever wonder why?
Tekknowledge - Ugh! Where do I begin. First of all you must be very young or you don't get to watch or read late night jokes from the various late night show hosts. All of them tell white jokes in their monologue - especially now with the upcoming RNC in Tampa, FL. Great fodder. And as for your statement:
Really? Really? You are American (I assume - and maybe too much) and you seem to think you are an informed person according to your post. That said, who is in the White House? A BLACK man and his family from all corners of Africa. C'mon! Even though we, Americans, know he is a bi-racial man, he said it himself, he identifies with black people. And he now holds the seat of power as THE representative of our country espousing many things I personally disagree with. And though he does have to share that power with the other two branches of our once noble government, he thinks he's omniscient. So don't go whining how people of color have no power.
And to set the record straight on black on black crime, understand that there is so much of it that if we reported and listened to every single black on black crime we'd still be watching from 1997 with no hope of ever catching up to date. Please get real. I'm originally from a major city (I don't know is NYC major enough for you) and can emphatically say that black on black crime is rampant. They don't bring their brand of crime to my former zip code because they wouldn't have a chance to do so. They would be headed off at the pass - so to speak.
I've lived in several states in this country and can tell you that blacks commit the majority of crimes EVERYWHERE. I don't know why, I'm a white woman. But statistically speaking that's the truth. You have a computer, google crime stats anywhere. Here's an idea, start with Indiana then go north to Michigan. What's even sadder is the fact that according to the newest census, blacks still only make up 12.7% of this country's population. People of Spanish descent are on the rise and have a higher percentage than blacks. Show me one state that is mostly made up of black citizens that is successful. Google Gary, Indiana and read about its history. There's an eye opener. That city became a mere ghost town post white flight in the seventies. Some of this country's most beautiful architecture reduced to rubble.
So I guess because I look at demographics and have some information, I must be a racist. Well, you and everyone else can take that trite word and stick it. I, and many like me, have long since stop caring about being called a racist by a group who are by far more racist than any other in this country. As long as I'm alive I'll live according to the OLD constitution, not the one you'd like to see in place. Now quit whining, find a job, and go to work.
OK - I'm done. Have a great day.
I am young. 25, to be exact. But I wasn't born yesterday. Most of the late night television hosts are white. In fact, George Lopez got kicked off of the air a week after he called Jay Leno a racist. Still seems like a good ol' boy institution to me. So if they say "white jokes" (which I've never heard on late night TV), those white people hosting those shows are responsible for that content, not any non-white person.
President Obama is ONE person. There were black slaveholders in the old South, and that doesn't make slavery a non-racist institution. There were black and non-white figures in high ranking positions as early as the 1860s, that doesn't mean that the USA wasn't a racist country then. So you have ONE black person, who is president of the USA, who has to do what white people want him to do to keep his job for another four years. Yeah, that's real power -_- ....A president who has been subjected to a numerous amount of childish and racist insults, disrespect, and assassination plots in record numbers. A president whose mere election sparked a meteoric rise in "militia groups", active "white supremacist" groups, and weapons sales in record numbers. A president whose foreign policy (even though he ran against intervention in foreign affairs and on an anti-imperialist stance) includes at least 3 military operations in Africa, as well as this war in Afghanistan that is costing tremendous loss of life to folks over in Asia. So how much power do people of color really have?
Okay, and your point is? End the "drug war" and you'll cut crime rates by more than a half. And I love your little "headed off at the pass" threat. Classy.
You sure about that? Not throwing other folks under the bus, but statistically Native American Reservations have the highest crime rates, Latinos have the highest incident of gang violence, Whites...obviously have the highest occurrences of domestic terrorism, serial killings, child pornography distribution, pedophilia, etc.
What is your point? As a matter a fact -- fast forward. What do you think should be done with black people? What is your point for all of this rhetoric? Are you suggesting that even if what you said is true in its proper context, as opposed to just quantitatively factual, that black people deserve to be mistreated? So what should be done, please entertain me.
I suspect you are a racist. But I'm a black person, I really have no way to prove that any white person is a racist. But I do conclude that you are a white supremacist judged by this conversation. But hey, I have no power over you, so who cares what I think?
I would need a whole lot of evidence to stop snickering at this assertion. Please, do tell, what black people are doing to affect your quality of life. Are they denying you jobs, resources, restricting your movements? Are there a number of black people out there suggesting that white people be mistreated with any real power behind it? Are there even a sizable number of black people who assert that they are superior to white people, or that white people should be mistreated or dominated? I need answers here.
So what constitution do black people want to see put in place? I just figured that black people wanted the constitution along with laws applied to them in the same manner that they are applied to white folk, i could be incorrect though. And this is exactly what I'm talking about, how you just assume I don't have a job, when I have 2 and work 7 days a week on most weeks? Mind telling me what you do for a living, and how your assumptions and attitudes directly affect some of the black people you may be "servicing"?
Are you a rogue night watch(wo)man with a CCW permit?
Are you a "teacher" dealing with black children, making assumptions that they can't learn and won't amount to anything.
Are you a "police officer" who harasses young black males on their way to work in the morning?
Are you a "loan officer" who denies black people credit when their work history, credit, and income show that they are perfectly capable of paying the loan back? Or who raises interest rates unnecessarily?
Are you a "social service worker" who attempts to pull black youth from perfectly good families because you feel that "those people" don't know how to handle children?
Or are you just a cashier who isn't helpful or follows me around Macy's when I'm in there.
You stop trying Zimmerman in the media and wait for the real facts at his legal trial.
Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law; not this media circus.
Right on Ruken.
simple answer to the rhetorical question: we go to court, and we convict Zimmerman for murder
Absolutely! Too many groups are using Trayvon Martin to further their own ambitions and insisting Zimmerman be arrested, etc. without having all the facts. Allow due process to unfold and shut down the media speculation.
Thanks to the media feeding out everything the Martin family says, Zimmerman has no chance of getting a fair trial anywhere. Unfortunately it seems like everyone believes the first story that they hear and then they close their minds.
We go no where..stop the BS protests....if it was a crime commited he would of been arrested. All facts point to it as self defense in the view of our justice system...not a person with their own opinion..case closed.
Yes, there are going to be protests and possibly riots no matter what the outcome.Be prepared to see looters on tv with televisions and tennis shoes and destroying their own neighborhoods then demand that the state rebuild what they tore up.And to all of you sympathizers.......i hope it happens in YOUR neighborhood!The media has made this a race issue and should be responsible for encouraging the seperation of Americans by race.
Ray Butt
How about this, if it is determined that a crime has been committed, we have a trial, and a jury renders a verdict based on the facts of the case, not on public opinion. And as per the constitution, we presume Mr. Zimmerman to be innocent until proven guilty.
OMG to many groups are USING Trayvon martin???
WE are AL being used by the NRA shills. The even SADDER story in all this is the spread of draconian Stand your ground laws. There is NO NEED for such savage legislation. And as anyone can see this law can be EASILY manipulated. STAND YOUR GROUND is flawed legislation pushed by the NRA whose sole goal it seems it to Arm all of America and then make a profit as we all shot each other to pieces. We should all rally AGAINST stand your ground laws state by state until they are all removed from the books ...
This whole thing portrayed as racism is getting scary, thanks medias and others for this racism revival. It doesn't matter if a racist is white or black, racism is wrong, period.
As Bahá'u'lláh said: "The earth is but one country and Mankind its citizens."
But man I hope I will never have to defend myself against an aggressor ... but do I even have the right to defend myself if attacked? because right now it sounds like Zimmerman didn't have that right.
Sure Zimmerman followed Martin and shouldn't have, but Martin should have called 911 if he was worried about that guy who was following him instead of jumping on him.
Don't need the courts. Florida has laws to handle this. George comes out sometime. He is stalked, takes a swing at his aggressor, bang - gets shot. The shooter claims self defense under the NRA doctrine of Stand Your Ground. Case closed, justice done.
Florida don't need courts and cops. It's citizens can dispense justice without them.
The more people are given the right to guns the more innocent people get killed. There are individuals with guns who think just because they carry one that gives then the right to kill, even someone who was no apparent threat. Some people I know should never be allowed a gun. Now just think of the people you know who should not be allowed a gun. Hey there are lots of people out there who should never be allowed a gun, because they have no common sense or morality. I still maintain that only individuals like solders, police officers, hunters and all those involved in national security of this country should be allowed to carry a gun. Zimmerman could of used mase or a tasser gun instead. I guess Zimmerman having a gun was used to compensate for his low self esteem. Why in the world would Trayvon Martin attack Zimmerman ? In my opinion he had to be provoked and scared @!$%#less. Trayvons cries for help proves that. Now for example if someone points a gun at you, what would a normal person do, in my opinion stop dead in their tracks, raise their hands, cry or beg not to be shot. Trayvon was crying out for help and then a shot was heard. In my opinion Zimmerman told Trayvon he was going to shoot him and Trayvon yelled out for help to draw attention. Zimmerman conviently used stand your ground law and cried out self defence. If Trayvon was a killer would he not of had a gun or weapon too? Then why would he try to kill someone close to all those appartments where there would be witnesses? Zimmermans story just does not make sense. In my opinion he made a mistake and went to far this time. I just wish he would be man enough to admit it and make things right.
Ruben:
That is all any thinking person wants. Mr. Martin's parents and millions of Americans just want him to b arrested like he should have been in the first place! We want him to have his day in court. However, the police have managed to taint most of the evidence. For God's sake, they didn't even keep Zimmerman's clothes or his gun!
Had that been a dead white kid laying on the ground, I GUARANTEE you he would have been arrested! Deny all you want America, this land is RACIST, Black men are profiled and I know from personal experience from my husband being consistently profiled!
Lots of noise about how the media plays us for advertising dollars... and look how easy it is. Few Americans seem capable of even basic critical reasoning, consuming wholesale whatever biased slant they're fed by the news desk editor, particularly if it feeds their own prejudices.
Question what you're reading. Look at the other side, because there is ALWAYS another side. Ask the "what if" questions the article glosses over, then you'll have some defense against the commentary the media calls news.
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BS, BS, BS. Criminals will always have guns, except for a few accident cases it is criminals who shoot innocent people. Laws never ever stopped them from acquiring weapons, only honest people would be punished by an anti-guns law. With a gun a person has a chance to defend him/herself. Samantha Koenig might have been alive today if she had owned a gun. I don't know how many stories I have read and heard about people who were able to either defend themselves, or their house, and hold a burglar at gun point while waiting for the cops, this happened again very recently with a 70ish year old woman.
Can't have a trial if no one gets arrested. Frankly, I hope Zim walks. He's already been tried by the media so anything the courts or cops do will be under close scrutiny. And if they really want things to go well, keep Jackson and Sharptongue out of it. And I personally think that any parent who takes their child's death as their chance for face time is abhorrent. But then look at that piece of work, Casey Anthony. Now Trayvon's mom. Nice.
From Charles' American Dictionary: Criminal n. as like breaking the law. A citizen with a gun and an issue. More like: one step from becoming a criminal.
I'm a little confused about one element of this report, perhaps some of you legal eagles can jump in here. The Martin family attorney [Crump] is reported as saying:
Aren't all criminal matters taken to a Grand Jury to determine if the person should be indited for the crime and prosecuted? Maybe I've just watched too much Law & Order, but it seems like the District Attorney is always going to the Grand Jury so I'm confused by Crump's comment.
If that's the case, then what in the world is Crump talking about, other than to continue the race baiting by implying if a Grand Jury doesn't indite Zimmerman, the fix is in. If Crump is incorrect, shouldn't he be held to account for his false comments by the State Bar?
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The 'offense' listed on the police reports label the entire incident as:
'HOMICIDE-NEGLIGENT MANSLAUGHTER-UNNECESSARY KILLING TO PREVENT UNLAWFUL ACT.'
So if this was the finding after police concluded the investigation, then why would the prosecutors decline to prosecute?
In the end however it's not what I believe or what you believe, what Al Sharpton believes or even President Obama believes-- whether a court finds him guilty or not, eventually Death the Great Equalizer is going to come for him and it will be a moot point. And if there is a God and He does judge you after you're dead, then Zimmerman will, eventually get whatever he deserves and that is between his God and him.
Here's the Sanford Police Report:
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf
I'm not sure what Offense #1 means, or statue 782.11 involves or Police Procedures for booking and charging. I suspect the police prepare this document as charges but the final decision is based on the District Attorney's review of the facts from a legal perspective. Police arrest people and collect evidence but it's up to the District Attorney to actually make the final determination, right?
I suspect the DA reviewed the evidence and decided that Zimmerman acted in self defense and thus it was not criminally negligent homicide.
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John
Aren't all criminal matters taken to a Grand Jury to determine if the person should be indited for the crime and prosecuted?
Depends on the jurisdiction and in some cases the particular crime.
Your response to Amanda is accurate as well. If the DA declines to press charges, for whatever reason, there is no case to take to trial... unless of course the police take it to the state AG and can get charges at the state level.
Or at least determined they didn't have enough evidence to get around Florida statute 776.
Why is there an excuse every time a person of color is killed by law enforcement or a representative of law enforcement??
I understand we evaluate on a case by case basis - but you're being intellectually dishonest if you don't recognize a clear pattern of brown and black people targeted for harassment - and violence - by law enforcement.
Even if this ONE time, Zimmerman REALLY acted in self defense (which the facts don't seem to support) - what about the hundreds of other times unarmed citizens have been shot in the street by "law enforcement" or their supporters, simply because of what they were perceived to be because of color, and the hundreds of other times where this type of thing has been brushed off and excused?
I would like to know why Zimmerman gets to use the stand your ground law and disregard the dispatcher telling him not to follow but then turn around and claim that the kid he was following came at him to stand his ground why should Zimmerman get the benefits of this law and not Trayvon. I dont know if Zimmerman is racist or not and I dont care if Trayvon was getting into teenage troubles at school or out the point is the kid had a person following him (that was told to not do that) and he had the right to stand his ground just like the law says.
Since the Black Panters put a 10K bounty on his head for his 'Capture', just go ahead and read dead or alive, I see some two bit punk shooting him for the cash. 'Random act of violence' and case closed.
Coolshar, I want you to think on this. Zimmerman was a concerned citizen. He had called many times to report suspicious people in the neighborhood. The cops never got there in time to ask the people what their doing, the group always left the scene before they arrived. He was going to follow the suspect to see where he was going to report it to the police.
Does that make any sense to you.
I am T. Martin. And I am WHITE. Let that sink in.
Jack, does that mean you have gold teeth and have "Made honkie" on your Facebook page? :)
Oh, and do you also look like a thug like Trayvon does on his Facebook page?
Good one Jim! LOL
That facebook page isn't even the same Trayvon Martin. Yes he has gold fronts, but that does not make him a thug.
And even if he was, does that mean he deserved to die?
I'd like a yes or no please.
No matter what version of the events you believe, you must realize the ONLY reason there have been no charges, grand jury hearing or a trial is that George Zimmerman's father has pulled strings. If you believe Zimmerman acted in self defense, a grand jury would refuse to indict him and in essence he would be "cleared"; on the other hand if the facts proved he did not act in self defense a grand jury would indict him. It is pretty clear the authorities are hoping eventually the public's attention will move on and simply trying to "wait" this out.....
Why not try him in the media? It's the only trial he may ever get. If he had a proper trial we wouldn't have to. What all you Zim boosters fail the understand is with all the evidence against him he hasn't even been charged. That in itself is the whole problem. Sorry but from where I stand listening to the tapes etc. He stalked and killed an unarmed teenager. Now maybe there are things that haven't come out yet, but at a MINIMUM it seems he should be charged.
blonde, you do know that a grand jury convenes on tuesday right? they will either decide to charge him with something inwhich case he goes to trial, or they will find insufficient evidence to charge him, in which case it would be over. either way, the burden is on the state, not on zimm and the grand jury will decide how to proceed. if they dont charge him, i hope the rabid hate mongers nbpp and sharpton let him go in peace and live his life. if they do charge him with anything, my bet is that you WONT see a gang of white people advocating for violence in retort.
Blondeness, the actual reason no charges have been filed in this case is due to the law. Section 776.032 (2) states that "A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful". Trayvon is dead and the only eye witness to come forward only saw enough of the situation to see Trayvon in a scuffle with Zimmerman. The police did not have any choice but to rely on Zimmerman's account of what occurred. This part of the law probably needs to be rewritten. It almost sets the scene for a trial to occur on whether or not the "stand your ground" law applies in a situation before you could determine the "stand your ground" law is not a defense. To complicate matters further, since the law bars the police from making an arrest in any situation where the "stand your ground" law may be used as a defense, there can't very well be a trial on whether or not the law can be used as a defense when there is no defendant. Since there is so much controversy over this situation and the FBI is even involved, yet we still have not heard there has been a decision made as to whether Mr. Zimmerman's use of force was lawful or not, I would imagine the cops don't want to risk a civil suit either.
Where do we go from here? Right over to Zimmerman's house and arrest him!
Oh my, Ragge, do you have some probable cause the rest of us haven't heard about, or do you simply believe the phony s**t the lamestream media bottom feeders have been making up? If you ever screw up, I hope you have to live with your own vigilante justice code!
probable cause? he SHOT someone, and he admitted it. we passed probable cause a long way back. try him in court, not the press.
Probable cause means that there is proof that a crime was committed and the person that you have in custody committed the crime. Anybody here have anything other than speculation or conjecture? The story handed out by the media is NOT evidence.
Butt - do you know anything other than what the lying media has told you? NBC is obviously covering Obama's ass for his once again jumping to a conclusion based soley on race and so they lied to us. They should be charged as criminals for doctoring that 911 tape and helping Obama foment racial hatreds.
http://m.thehollywoodgossip.com/2012/04/trayvon-martin-911-call-controversy-nbc-apologizes-for-editing-g/
Watermoon:
No No No... they didn't "doctor" the tapes! It was simply a "production error", RIGHT!!! Just like all the other dozens of errors the media has made in reporting about this story. They just made mistakes, it wasn't gross incompetance or malpractice. RIGHT!!!
I do agree with you and I do think the there should be some way to hold the media accountable for this mess they've created. When the media knew, or should have know, that the shooting occurred as a result of Martin allegedly assaulting Zimmerman, they should have reported that. But for over a week, there was no mention of that in the main stream media. Instead we were bombarded by daily reports of a "white male shooting an unarmed black child" and shown angelic 5 year old photos of Martin and a mug shot photo of Zimmerman. We were fed half truths and distorted information. Then the coup de grace was the NBC's Today Show, editing the original 911 recording to imply that Zimmerman was a racist, reporting Martin simply for being black.
The conduct of the media has been reprehensible, and I hope Zimmerman sues them for millions of dollars. Since they seem beyond the reach of the criminal justice system, perhaps hitting them in the pocketbook will help teach them a lesson about "fair and balanced" reporting.
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Arrest the man already!
Why.....based upon what hard evidence?
Based on what? The facts? Or your own facts you choose to buy into?
here's your evidence: armed man tracks down and confronts unarmed man, shoots him dead. no more need be said until we get to court.
But they haven't arrested him yet. And why would that be?
I'm pretty sure that if they had any real admissible evidence he would be arrested already.
@Wyatt, investigations can take weeks, or even years to complete. I do not think this one will take that long, but just because Zimmerman has not been arrested does not mean they have no evidence, and he might yet be arrested.
But Zimmerman was arrested. Did you not see him in handcuffs in the video taken at the Police Station?
Yeah didn't you see the video of him in cuffs in the police station? Rubbing his jacket against the wall and banging his head against the wall when the cops looked away in an attempt to manufacture "evidence" of a struggle?
Zimmerman's Daddy is a good old boy...that's why Officer Sirvino couldn't make an arrest stick. This goes on all the time in the south. This is still the dirty American secret...north vs south, black vs white, good old boy vs anyone else, blacks, women, whatever.
Based on what your opinion? Then you start the clock and the investigation will shut down in 180 days and go to trial whether the government is ready or not.Bright move there.
Nope he was not arrested. He was uncuffed and allowed to go...along with his gun. No arrest records exist. No gun test records, no drug tests on him, even though the deceased young man was drug tested. Even oneof the officeres wanted to hold him but he was told not to, that it was a clear case of self defense. Hard to believe but when you look at the behavior of this police dept. and even the town officials, not surprising.
This needs to be settled in court. A young man is dead. If it were your child, brother, cousin, etc. wouldn't you want to know what happened and why?
Stop accusing the media of the hype. I am not crazy about them on many occasions. However, if the media did not get involved in this story, perhaps a young man with a gun would be free to kill again. And, perhaps this time another young black person might have been killed.
Just think about it. Put aside your hate for the President and all those progressives, consider this as an issue of justice and fairness.
Was he arrested? Where are the mug shots and fingerprints of this so-called "arrest"? All we see are his old arrest photos.
He was not arrested, he was detained. Just because he's in handcuffs, means nothing. I've seen many men in handcuffs at traffic stops in LA, only to be let go.
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The police report clearly states that the gun was taken as evidence.
Where are you getting your information? Making it up like many others here?
The police routinely handcuffs black men--"for their safety."
WOW... so many lies and false statements here, it makes me hope none of you vote in November.
Gators56 - You don't "arrest" someone without probably cause. Shooting someone in self ddefense, as they're slamming your head into the ground is permissible. Based on the eyewitness testimony, the physical evidence the police observed, and Zimmerman's own statements during a five hour interview lead him to being released.
Ray Butt - Your comment is ignorant and lacking a mature understanding of the facts at hand. Nobody can say that Zimmerman "traced down" Martin and confronted him. While it's true that Zimmerman was following Martin, probably at some distance, it's likely that Martin initiated the confrontation. Zimmerman knew the police were on their way, having called 911. Martin, serving a 10 day suspense, probably mad at the world, was probably feeling a bit thuggish and probably pissed off at this guy following him and decided to punch him. Most of that is speculation, but nobody really knows exactly how Martin and Zimmerman made contact, but without facts, the police don't charge someone based on speculation.
Slodon - Zimmerman was in custody, and transported to the police station for questioning, but was not "arrested." At that point, he was being detained.
Dangerous Mind - NO, I didn't see Zimmerman banging his head against the wall, trying to inflict injuries to himself and I don't think you did either. Instead of making things up, try to stick to the facts. But you seem to be the audience that laps up Sharpton's lies, so I suspect there's little anyone can do to persuade you.
Irenermiscione - The media just didn't "hype" this story, they misrepresented almost every facet of the account. They lied, twisted the truth, or failed to report key facts, intentionally to serve their own agenda or inadvertently because of incompetence. When you have the NBC Today show intentionally editing the 911 recording to portray Zimmerman as a racist, that's far from "hype", that's malfeasance. Of course, NBC says it was simply "a production error", RIGHT!
Charles - The police handcuff EVERYONE for their safety if they're a suspect until they can unraval the facts. If you read the Sanford Police report, the responding officer (Smith) states he Zimmerman was "secured in handcuffs" immediately upon arrival at the scene. This same report says that Office Smith observed that Zimmerman was "bleeding from the nose and back of the head"
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf
Dangerous, in the police report at the scene, it is mentioned that he was bleeding for the back of his head and nose. Then at the police station, your saying he tried to make it worse, after the paramedics have already looked him over. Have you ever been in a wreck? That adrenalin high after the wreck when you feel no pain. Ever think that he might have been feeling it wearing off and leaned against the wall for support. No that would indicate your actually thinking for yourself.
"Trayvon Martin: Where do we go from here?"
That's a stupid question from the media. Where you go is report the facts and stop distorting the facts to stir up the racists
Which Racists? White, Black Yellow, Brown, Grey, multi-racial. Hell their/were all racist's. If we say we're not their full of Dog----!
Wild Bill, you hit the nail on the head! I am 53 years old and have lived in a half a dozen countries. I have never met a single person that is not prejudiced (including myself).. Anyone who says that they are not prejudiced against other races/groups is either a liar or fooling themselves.
Well put Anthony.Prejudice means pre-judging.Anyone that says he is guilty or not is pre-judging, therefore is prejudice.I wish ignorance was painful......
Wild Bill
All my friends keep telling me Im full of Shiit, but if Id have thought they meant Dog Shiit, thems would have been figitin words!....LOL But seriously, we all have prejudices and none of us want to admit it, just the nature of humans. You and me are the only ones who are perfect, and Im starting to have doubts about you....:)
All of you are so f--king lucky. None of you have to remember 1967 like I do because I hear those tensions again. None of you have to remember looking down the barrel of a machine gun manned by another 18 or 19 year old kid like I do. I hoped never to have to feel that again in my life. So thank You so f--king much.
lonereb. I spent 21 years on active duty in the Army. Being a combat vet, I have been on the receiving end of firepower that most could not even begin to imagine. Yes I have been shot and yes I have had to kill for my country. I do not use those horrors as an excuse for anything. Nor do I feel the need to use pseudo profanity or rudeness to get my point across.
Anthony you are missing the point. lonereb is referring to the National Guard enforcing martial law on US civilians within US borders. Very large difference between being in combat with trained soldiers at your side and being a civilian staring down the barrel manned by some pimple faced kid just out of high school. You at least had the option to shoot back.
trust.... I assume you are talking about Kent State. Everyone has /had options, the least of which is to follow the law. If you want to riot, b e ready for the consequences
Okay. Don't prove to us that you are an idiot. Prejudice: I don't like caviar! Racist: Black people are all inferior and makes me sick. I hate their black arses. Of course you already knew that. There are a lot of things that I do not prefer but I hate no person for the color of his and/or her skin. That's the splitting edge difference!!!
jim overlin
I believe lonereb is referring to the Detroit Riots in 1967. Kent State involved rifles not machine guns, as far as I know. Kent State was 1970. As far as lonereb following the law... I don't think stepping out your front door is a violation except during martial law which was declared while he slept.
When a police officer has to fire his gun due to an altercation, he is relieved from street duty, his gun is taken and he is on hold until an investigation is concluded.
The killer is not on hold, still has his gun and is not a police officer. Does that sound like there is a fix in or not?
The fact that is certain is that he was told not to engage the "suspect" and let the police handle it. If he had followed the ORDER, the kid would be alive, simple as that.
Why are so many wanting to make it complicated.? A trial is in order and if it is found that the killer was in danger and the shooting was justified, he will be released.
My question is, how can this killing be justified when the killer ignored the order to not follow the suspect and let the police handle it? Are we stupid, or what?
Pippo, when he was told not to follow, Zimmerman states that he stopped following and headed back to his vehicle and that is when T. Martin attacked him. Now to all that are screaming for a trial (if Zimmerman is guilty I hope he rots in Jail, but we MUST presume he is innocent.) read the posts above and look at the conflicting views of the same facts, if this case goes to court there is no doubt that that reasonable doubt can be produced, and Zimmerman walks. This is why prosecutors do not try cases until they have a strong prosecution. If Zimmerman is Guilty a premature trial would, at this time secure his freedom, on the other hand if it truly was self defense Zimmerman needs to walk. If Martin truly came up and attacked Zimmerman after Zimmerman was heading to his car, then broke his nose and started bashing his head into the ground, in that case Zimmerman had the right to shoot him. If someone was on top of me bashing my head to the ground after punching me, I would feel my life was in danger and I would have shot him also. The facts are that the scenario I just gave are possible and unless prosecution can prove otherwise reasonable, plausible doubt exists and Zimmerman is to be found innocent.
For those of you above that scream against the gun laws, better read your constitution, we have the right to protect ourselves. I would suggest that you do a study and compare crime rates by those that have legal arms and those committed with illegal arms. The fact is States that have more accessible carry laws saw the crime levels decrease when the laws were passed. I once took an oath to be willing to fight to my own death to protect the rights provided with in our constitution, it is a shame that so many are willing to throw that document out because it gets in there way of true Anarchy. Lets face it the bumper sticker that states "if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns", is true. Those who believe that only the Government should have guns, you better wake up and research why our constitution provided the 2nd amendment in the first place.
But after my rants above I will state with complete conviction, if Zimmerman is guilty let him rot, if he is innocent he must walk. Our system is not perfect but it is the best in the world, built on the premise that it would be better to let 100 guilty men walk than to punish a single innocent man. Right now there is way to much reasonable doubt, if the court is to prosecute let it due so with evidence that will condemn.
May the Lord's Blessing be upon each and everyone of you and remember these words from Matthew 5:44 "But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you", The man who said this seems to be pretty smart.
1...That wasn't an 'order' not to follow. That's YOUR take. 2-Another version has Zim getting jumped as he WAS going back to his car. (He did say "OK" when told he didn't need to follow.)IF true, lethal force would've been justified. 3-Witnesses support the contention that it was Zim who was decked with one blow, then on the ground getting his head bashed in. At that point even YOU would be entitled to use deadly force. 3-Try letting the facts play out first, THEN jumping to your preconceived conclusion. (Agree, Zim had no business pursuing the guy--stupid move, period!) 4-You've got the DOJ and FBI looking into this...and still no arrest. What's that tell you?
Zimmerman hangs up from police at 7:13:41, saying he was walking back to his truck.
DeeDee (Trayvon's girlfriend) phone call is disconnected at 7:16 according to T-Mobile phone records.
The first 911 call is received at 7:16:11,
45 seconds later, gunshot is fired, at 7:16:56
What was happening from 7:13:41 until 7:16:56
"Where do we go from here"
If Zimmerman is not arrested and or convicted then we have riots.
If Zimmerman is arrested,convicted, sentenced to a long prison term, the parents of Martin sue and destroy his family,and they also get rich of trademarking slogans, then we go on with our lives and the race hustlers and race baiters won another one.
Get some Jesse, Sharpton and Roland Martin.
Kinda simple to me.
Ahhhh, the Kangaroo Court continues.
Yep, go ahead and "incite" folks. Continue to act like a bunch of Liberal children.
I think you're spot on
he is spot on
Now we have the real cause.If the castle law holds the Martins cannot sue anyone.That is the real motive.Remenber Trayvons girlfriends call ended at 7:00 the shot was heard at 7:15.What happened in those 15 mins.Did trayvon circle back and ambush George?Will the martins have to live off the copyrights alone?The case will come down to those 15 mins.Trayvon girlfriend will fold under cross examination.
Rocky
I keep asking myself why Martin didnt just say "I live right over there and Im on my way home", if he says that, the whole incident is over. Kind of makes you wonder what the first words out of his mouth were.
Steve-2081387
Me too.He sure did seem like a good kid until they change schools on him.He must have folded to peer pressure and got in with the wrong crowd.Damm shame to.I myself even at that age would have said can I help you Sir?I can't help but sound like my parents and blame the music.You have to admit singing about killing cops,capping honkys.slapping your B!tc# and the ganster life can confuse a kid.They don't mention what happens after a few years of that kind of life.Prison or dead
Steve and Rocky, Martin was under no obligation to answer Zimmerman's questions. He had every right to say nothing, tell Zimmerman to go away, or even tell him to f off. You can lament the loss of manners and respect for your elders in this county, but that does not mean Zimmerman was correct in what he did.
Misscreant That is why George left.Then when he got back to the car all s@$t hit the fan.
So let's all just look the other way and say, oh well, another young man made a poor choice...he won't do it again. If the tables were turned would you wish for the same? This is an issue of justice. Zimmerman needs to be arrested and tried in a court of law. Let his peers decide his innocence or guilt.
That is the American way.
Then we he walked back to the car all s@$t hit the fan.
See, fixed that for you. George was not anywhere near his car when Trayvon was killed.
He may not have been under any obligation but there is such a thing as common sense. When this 19 year old kid found myself looking down the barrel of a machine gun I didn't tell that scared 18-20 year old on the other end to go to hell. I did what he said and I'm still here to remember it.
Irenermiscione
I don't like what happened either.But The problem is the Castle Law.Without proof Georeg didn't act inself defense they can't arrest him.It is the way the law is written.Even if it happened that the law was changed tomorrow They still couldn;t arrest him.Because the shooting happened under the old law.The problem everyone has is with the Castle Law.George is just the guy that they are going to use to change the law.The left has been waiting on the correct case since 2005 when the law was inacted.The law has been used over 300 times.But this is the one they have been waiting on.Put pics of a 12 year old play the race card,start all your stories with Might or May have.Surpress facts like the jewelry and screwdriver found in trayvon packback.show fuzzy footage and claim it is a smoking gun,and play people emotions.This whole thing all of it using a dead boy as a steping stone stinks.
Rocky and others
This is NOT the Castle Doctrine. This is Stand Your Ground FLORIDA style. It practically makes Dodge City look like Quaker town. Pick a fight, use lethal force when your opponent hits you first.
no cigar. She has two calls .. 7:04 and again at 7:12 That overlaps Georges call at 7:09 lasting 4 minutes and a few seconds. It appears she only called back once and gave up.. at least from her cell phone. Her next call from that phone is 5 days later on march 2 to 9-1-1. The shot is around 7:16 and relayed to officers at 7:17 who are on scene by 7:18 or so.
I agree the whole thing stinks... It is sad it took them this long and this specific incident to make their case. The kicker is the politicians are still saying the law is perfect as it is and it doesn't cover Zimmerman... The law is broken and it is a shame it covers George. My guess is they might get around to fixing it come November after the elections during lame duck session.
Misscreant
True except George was under no obligation to just stand there and get sucker punched by Trayvon and not defend himself.
irenermiscione-1
The US Constitution and laws under it are the American way. Not mob justice or the courts of public opinion. Do some reading of the FLORIDA law, deemed legal and having prior precedent. http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2010/776.032
trust, we have no proof, other than Zimmerman's statement, that Martin "sucker punched" him. His wounds are only indicative of a fight. We do not know who or how it started. That's really the crux of the matter.
rocky m... If you read the police reports the incident and shooting happened behind the houses where there was NO parking lot ... it seems like a long way to me to be struggling ... I don't believe it was racist .. I believe it was zimmerman wanting to act out his fantasy of being a cop ... I think anyone he saw that night would have been suspicious to him and if trayvon did attack him I am pretty sure that he (trayvon) was "standing his ground" the stand your ground law is the first culprit that gave way to a serious and fatal occurance ... I still have my doubts of treyvon attacking zimmerman first ... mainly because the story doesn't hold water if zimmerman was back at his vehicle ... I still don't know how a can of tea and bag of skittles can make someone suspicious ... Yes if zimmerman is arrested the courts will decide whether there is enough evidence to convict him ... but I for one have to be convinced ...
Rocky Mcgilicutty: The stand your ground law has not been used more then 300 times.
The bill that triggered copycats elsewhere has had significant consequences for Florida. According to a Tampa Bay Times analysis of public records and newspaper clips, Stand Your Ground has been invoked at least 130 times since its passage in 2005, including a dramatic spike during the past 18 months. In more than 70% of Stand Your Ground cases, it was used as self-defense in a fatality. In at least 50 cases, prosecutors declined to bring charges. Another nine defendants were given immunity in court, while nine more saw their charges dismissed. In Florida, claims of justifiable homicide in Florida have tripled since the law’s passage in 2005. Martin’s death, while tragic, “is nothing new,” says Everitt. Indeed, the law has generated its share of horror stories. What is new, however, is the national attention and the decibel of the outrage. “I felt like I was watching American history unfold,” Everitt says. “The heat on this thing is unlike anything I’ve seen. It’s not just outrage over Trayvon. It’s people connecting his death to a bad gun law. We didn’t see that after Virginia Tech. We didn’t even see that after Tucson.”
To Baxley, the original sponsor of Stand Your Ground, the proliferation of cases in which the law has been invoked “could be a confirmation that the policy is working.” He says Stand Your Ground has “empowered people to stop violent acts. It has saved lives.” As Baxley notes, proponents of Stand Your Ground profess concerns about its “inaccurate application to a very tragic and seemingly senseless death.” Zimmerman’s own lawyer has shrugged off suggestions that he could invoke Stand Your Ground as a defense. “The law does not apply to this particular circumstance,” Bush said last week, as the outrage over Martin’s death built toward a crescendo.
Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2012/03/28/beyond-trayvon-how-stand-your-ground-laws-spread-from-florida-to-half-the-u-s/#ixzz1rEi68ufK
If Trayvon had shot and killed Zimmerman I seriously doubt any of you apologist a-holes would be defending Trayvon...you'd be calling for the black kid's blood...
USA! USA! USA...my ass...what a fu#kwad country this is.
Yep, and Martin had no right to assault Zimmerman either.
While we'll likely never know just how the fight started, it's much more reasonable to assume a 17 year old punk, serving a 10 day suspension from school, his third suspension in five months, probably did initiate the fight. I say punk, not after seeing photos of a 12 year old Martin making snowmen with his family, but after reading his Twitter Tweets from a few weeks ago. Vile and disgusting comments from Martin with a Twitter hashtag of "NO_LIMITS_NIGGA".
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/the-daily-caller-obtains-trayvon-martins-tweets/
Martin probably had no idea who Zimmerman was and that Police were on their way, so it seems reasonable to me that this tough guy Martin, probably did decide to suck punch Zimmerman. Why would Zimmerman initiate a fight when he knew the Police were on their way, and Zimmerman had already stated he though Martin might be on drugs or a potential burglar.
Guess the moral of this story is, be careful who you sucker punch.
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Misscreant
trust, we have no proof, other than Zimmerman's statement, that Martin "sucker punched" him. His wounds are only indicative of a fight. We do not know who or how it started. That's really the crux of the matter.
Agreed on the "we have no proof". Police have leaked that evidence exists to support Zimmermans statement.
The crux of the matter though is not who started it though because of Florida Statute 776. 776 does not care who starts the fight only that reasonable belief existed that one MIGHT die or be seriously injured. I agree in just about any other state the crux would be who started EVERYTHING. Welcome to Muggy Buggy Florida.
Kredcorn
Yes the law has been used over 300 times.I didn't say sucessfully in each case.Read and understand what you read.
Truth verify
When the bill was interdouced it was called Castle doctrain.The media grabed part of the law" Stand your ground" and used it.
I give up Trying to seperate the Media Hype and true facts will not work here.Most of the people just don't get it that the MSM is twisting the truth.When I see post that Georges Dad the judge BTW from a different state but the "fix" in or Recycled Hope version that the wounds were self inflicted.Only makes me laught at people of have run out of facts and now creat total fiction.This incentdent where a young MAN died should not be laughted at.Don't bother to correct my spelling I do that when I am P.Oed.Hope antoine C ee U oo N ext T hursday
Misscreant
the burden of proof is not on Zimmerman to prove his statements, it is under law that the burden of proof is on the State, If the State cannot PROVE beyond reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is guilty, then the system HAS to let him go, if the prosecution can not build a case under their burden of proof they are not to even prosecute no matter what public opinion states. In fact if they are found to be prosecuting because of political pressure or public pressure there is a mis-trial and no matter what evidence comes to light Zimmerman walks. Why doesn't the people who are screaming to bring Zimmreman to trial realize it would guarantee Zimmerman to walk even if he is actually guilty.
The approach the media took to start this fire was wrong for all involved, including the Martins. If you do not think this was all to start a national crisis, look at these points.
1. this is a violation of State crime under the jurisdiction of local officials.
2. While there were other cases that the national media could concentrate on and would actually be more accurate to be on national news, they selected 1 local news story that had other comparable stories that were of similar spectrum such as a "white kid" set on fire by 2 "black kids".
3. National news has been neglected by the Media since the start of this story.
As tragic as this and many other stories are, these stories usually do not make it past the front page of the local paper, you have to ask yourself why this one. I would argue that the media is not looking for "Justice", in fact they are making it almost impossible for justice to be found. So the big question is "WHY" the media places that "why" this way "where do we (the media )go from here" since what they are desiring has nothing to do with "Justice". It is unfortunate that by splitting public opinion on this matter has caused an even larger divide in this nation, but to what purpose, if we find that purpose we will know why the media would be so willing to destroy our justice system. I would argue it is political. Why would the media keep calling Zimmerman "white" rather than Latino, simply stated the media needs to cause more division between white America and no-white America. If a divide between Black and Latino happened that would kill the chance to get the Hispanic vote this November. With the current administrations attack on the Catholic church (I am not Catholic) which last election supported the current President, he has now lost the support of that faith's Bishops and a large population of that faith and others. SO more and different lines need to be drawn in an effort to win an election, as well as drawing away from national headlines that would reflect poorly on the President (gas Prices, green companies paid for by taxes going bankrupt etc.)
So ask your self why this story (over countless others), and why now. And will it aid in justice or hinder it and to what cost.
I lived in the '67 riots in Detroit Michigan, it was during a time of growing pains with a nation that was starting to grasp the concept of true equality, I will tell you point blank it was a nation that was trying to come together. Today this country is more racially divided than even back then. So why after as a nation it showed our self to be mature enough to elect a man to the highest office regardless of skin tone, why we have since then become more divided since it was through a majority of "white" votes that elected President Obama, why would a Democrat biased media try to divide the very voters that elected President Obama. I didn't vote for him , I am a conservative, but I am curious as to why our liberal media (Historical note, it was the Democrats that opposed the civil rights movement and earlier the freeing of people in this country at the civil war).
There are a lot of questions on why in reality did the media pick to blow this story up, but justice was not their agenda.
why do we have to go anywhere? uh?, tell me?
Huh? Because What Zimmerass did was wrong. Huh? That's why. Duh!
Oh really, Mason??? Do you have some proof, or do you simply swallow the s**t that the media cooks up? Duh!
SpiderMan! Thanks fo chiming in. I swallow that you were not on the other end of that 9mm. Perhaps your loved one should have been on the other end of that 9mm. Your loved one dying for no reason. Screaming for help and no one coming to their rescue. You want PROOF "Special Ed. Clown"!
Proof:
1) Zimmerass instructed not to follow. 2) Zimmerass not handling confrontation correctly. 3) Zimmerass shooting 17 year old dead. 4) Trayvon dealing with Stranger Danger and especially a Stranger that did not properly identify himself. 5) Zimmerass allowing the situation to escalate to a scuffle and ultimately using deadly force upon a child.
Media didn't cook that up Clown... Those are the facts... "Special Ed. Clown"... LOL :-)
Mason (sorry, can't call you "sir"),
You have a lot of "facts" that could not be known by anyone that was not there. (1) Zimmerman was never "instructed not to follow." The operator told him they didn't need him to do it but never told him directly not to do it, a NOT so subtle difference. (2) One of the things that you do not KNOW without being there. (3) The ONE thing that you got right. (4) How do you know that Zimmerman "did not properly identify himself?" (5) Zimmerman's story is that he was departing the area and the other guy reengaged him. I do NOT know if it happened that way and neither do YOU. My point here is that you have no "proof" and your "facts" are plain guesswork by you and the rest of the those that have already made up their closed minds. That is why we will never find out the true story.
Pound someones head into the pavement a couple of times that is EVERY bit is lethal as shooting someone with a gun.
How many people die as a result of a fist fight?
Steelers: You need to get your story straight before you post. I will not embarrass you. I will give you an opportunity to do your homework... Most of us that have been following the 911 tapes are very clear as to what was said by the dispatcher. Zimmerasses response to the dispatcher and the obvious disregard to the instruction given by the dispatcher. I am not going to argue the point with you, because you do not have your facts straight. I am only going to reiterate my point. Zimmerass did not identify himself correctly, a scuffle insued and deadly force was used upon a child. Those are the facts. There are no Ups, Down or Sideways about this issue. All of us did not need to be there to understand the Dynamics of the events that unfolded, that unfortunate night.
The Facts Are:
17 Year Old Child Dead.
Trayvon Dealing with Stranger Danger and had no clue as to who Zimmerass was and what his role was in that community.
Zimmerass playing Neighborhood Watch Cop, ultimately uses deadly force upon a "Child".
17 Year Old Child Dead.
17 Year Old Child Dead.
17 Year Old Child Dead.
@ steelers2103 I don't have proof that trayvon circled back.But I do have a timeline nobody is talking about Trayvon girlfriends call ended at 7:00 PM the shot was heard at 7:15 PM.After George ask 'What are you doing here" he walked back to his SUV.15 minutes later the shot was heard no fight last 15 mins.So somebody reengaged someone back by Georges car where the fight and shot were both heard.!5 mins after the question.
@Mason you must not have heard the tapes.The DISPATCHER SAID WE DO NOT NEED TO DO THAT.That is not a command.As far as stranger danger Trayvon girlfriend said all George did was ask a question.And we do not know a scuffel broke out then that was speculation on her part.What we do know is that phone call was at 7:00 PM.The shot was fired at 7:15 PM fights or scuffels don't last 15 mins.Where the question was asked was not near Georges car Where the fight happened and Trayvon was killed.George walked back to his car what did Trayvon do in those 15 mins.Calling a 17 year old a child is just like showing a pic of a 12 year old like the MSM did .At 17 you can join the Army and be tried as a adult quit trying to make it sound like Trayvon was a child.That horse has been thoroughly beaten and put to bed.
Rocky, Someone did addres your infamous timeline, several posts ahead of this. In case you missed it, here it is again. Chew on it for a minute.
Recycled Hope
Rocky,
The T Mobile documentation shows that Trayvon's girlfriend called him at 7:12 PM EST and ended moments after Zimmerman reached Trayvon.
The 911 call that Zimmerman initiated began at 19:17 EST which is 7:17 PM EST, and lasted 4 min and 10 seconds, hence ending at 7:21 PM EST give or take a few seconds
Trayvon was declared dead at 7:30 PM EST after 3 unsuccessful attempts to "revive" him. They were not on the scene at the time of the shooting, but sent per the phone calls from many of the other residents at the time of the shooting (one just prior to it which captured the screams for help). Trayvon was dead 5 minutes before he was officially declared dead (2 min for the ambulance to arrive and 1 min for each attempt to revive him) as those 2 witnesses who came out to their back yard (about 100 feet away from any street or sidewalk) at the moment of the shot saw Trayvon was dead.
Hence, in a 4 minute span, 2 minutes of which was Trayvon screaming for help, Zimmerman ended his 911 call and shot Trayvon.
Trayvon didnt have any time to "plan an attack" on Zimmerman ..Zimmerman was "upset" (as witnessed by his language while on that 911 call) and has a consistent issue with violent expressions of his anger since at least 2005, when he became a legal adult (we have no access to juvenile records). This is recorded in police reports, court documents and his firing from the security guard position in 2005 (google "Zimmerman's co-worker says he was a jekyll and hyde").
What happened in the 2 minutes between Zimmerman ending his 911 call and the screaming ... it definitely wasnt Zimmerman checking the street sign as he claimed, and it wasnt that he returned to his car as he claimed.??? and if his head was bashed against pavement (while they were seen on the grass outside one callers window), injuries would be at the point of first contact .... dead center skull, not top right side of the back of the head. The injury was probably that high cuz he couldnt hit the back of his own head and lower than that. Both the witnesses and the original police officer stated that Zimmerman had "self imposed" injuries ... but that was in an article a month ago.
Wow Rocky: Another Clown that does not have his facts straight. Interesting commenting on this board and not have the facts straight. You sound dumb and ignorant, but that's Okay, we deal with your "Special Ed." types all the time. Trayvon died in the middle of the complex, nowhere near any vehicles or a parking area, or the street. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COMPLEX. Bozo the Clown! Get a better job and perhaps you can pay to watch CNN or in fact any news channel, and you would know by now that Trayvon was found dead in the middle of the complex. I have done Foster Care for the last 20 Years Rocky the Bozo Clown, and when I go to Children's Court, the Juvenile Judge considers all my kids that are under 18 to be a child. "Older Child". The horse was never touched... LOL :-) "Special Ed. Clown"... LOL :-)
Ms. Mason
Proof:
Im sure that the police will be glad to know that you were an eyewitness to the event, they must have overlooked you being at the scene and simply forgot to interview you. You may think you know what happened, but you really dont, and saying that you do just makes you look like a fool.
I saw and have seen that timeline before.It was on CNN and it's source was the huffington post(LOL the do stuff on little green men too)My source was from the Sanford City Web Site ,Go check it out.I did round the time a little it was actualy over 15 mins.My normal reply to that time line is I tell them my source.They tell me theirs,but nobody replies because I have allready named theirs.Nobody has even said you are right or sorry I had bad info.Part of my point don't believe hardly anything the media tells you on this case.I can only guess (see I will admit when I guess)that it is either a move on guns or the castle doctrin.But come on they are still showing him at 12 most the time.The MSM is playing everyone for some reason that is what we should be trying to figure out!
Stevo: Half the country look like fools... And the Majority of us Fools don't care about your type of "Fools". It's pretty much evident for the Majority of us that do have brains cells that work. In your case, I have to question your brain cells. I do not think that they work very well. As a matter of fact, I challenge you to think for a moment, just for a moment, that if you or your loved one were in the same position as Trayvon that night. Would you be making the same comments today on this board? Now take a minute and think about that, before you answer.
i didn't address my reply to antoine.please read my reply above.
Mason son, you don't know the facts, you were not there. I wonder what the story would be if the kid took the gun from the guy and shot him dead? See how easy views can be changed from what angle you look at them. You might be the half that looks like a fool to many.
Nobody has facts everybody has speculation. I learned not too long ago not to trust any news source when they report so and so said this. I found out you can't trust fox cnn or especialy msnbc by listening to cspan for one week. Try it after the House and Senate come back into session. You will be amazed that what they report is not what you heard.
PC: Huh? Sir, I see that you have just landed on our planet. Please let me walk you back to your ship, so I can Sling Shot Your Stu..pid Clown A..ss back to your planet, where you came from. Please do not return to our planet anytime soon... LOL :-)
Thank you.
Rocky, I view the information supplied by the Sanford police department with the same degree of speculation you have of the media. I will agree with you though on 1 point: No one truly knows what happened that night that is still alive except for Zimmerman and lets face it, you can't believe anything that comes from him as it will most certainly be onesided. I've read some of your other posts though and they are as biased (albeit in the other direction) as those of us who support the prosecution of whom we see as the cold blooded murderer. Perhaps, if you really wanted folks to drop their biases since they don't have ALL of the evidence, maybe you need to you drop your bias 1st. Just my opinion.
Quote Sir Mason :
Think a moment, if it was your loved one who were in the same situation as Zimmerman, was on neighborhood watch, and had followed a guy, and then the guy would have turned around and attacked him, and your loved one had to defend him/herself, and it would unfortunately end the same way it did for Zimmerman/Martin. How would you feel if people called your son a racist (while you know he isn't), posted your address in the medias, if you received threats, and so on, if you knew that because your son defended himself against an aggressor, he will never be able to live a normal life again. Take a minute and think about that too, before you answer.
And I may be wrong, but I don't believe Zimmerman is the one who attacked. Why? Because if he wanted to shoot him he would have done so from a distance, not wait and get into a fight with Martin. The fact that Martin was 17 year old is sad but irrelevant, at his size he was able to fight an adult man.
Sir mason I rest my case your quotes were from CNN or any media LOL
Anna: I will be gentle with you. You seem nice. I do not care what you believe. That facts are:
Zimmerass initiated. And because he initiated the confrontation, he allowed the situation to escalate. I have been with the Department in Los Angeles for 30 years. When I approach anyone, a citizen, a suspect, I control the situation. I am trained to do that. Zimmerass was not trained. He engaged with someone he had no business engaging with, in the first place. Had Trayvon been a real suspect, a real thug, a real gangster. Zimmerass could have been killed. Zimmerass engaged someone. Zimmerass was not trained to know how to react to a negative response. In this case, a scuffle insued and then the firing of his weapon into an innocent 17 year old boy. Zimmerass was not in the position of Authority and had no business walking around as if he were so. We can dance around this subject til we both are blue in the face. The reality is, Trayvon is dead due to the negligent act of an over zealous citizen, who had no idea what he was doing. Period.
Mason son, you sling your name calling all over this vine. Makes me think you are a biased being. If someone has a point of view you feel is different from yours you resort to name calling. I was trying to make the simple point to you that none of us no the facts about what happened yet so don't convict if the glove don't fit. LOL back at your clown a$$
Antoine
I see all your opinions are from the MSM.Well help me out. 1 Tell what you think about the Womans jewelry and large flat tiped screwdriver the school found in Trayvons backpack.2 Why in the beging of this case was it O K to bring every bit of georges past out.When it came to be Trayvons turn was it" trying to kill his character 3 "Why have they shown a pic of Trayvon when he was 12 and a mug shot of George?4 why have they started most smoking gun evidence out with Might have or may have? 5 If you saw the time line on Sanford Citys Web Site (if you believe it or not) you saw there was a 15 minute gap between Trayvons Girlfirends call and the shot.What happened?I do not like for a minute how this whole mess turned out.But I will not sit back and watch the Meida use a man .
Mason
You ain't a cop.Even cops got more sense that you.Recite the words they used to swear you in.This is a trick question but a cop would know.I am really only looking for one word
PC: I hope you enjoy your flight home... LOL :-)
Something confuses me about the whole girl friend / phone call situation. The father stated he didn't know where the son was all night. Now I have 3 grown sons and I knew where they were at night at that age. Why given the situation was there no communication between the girl and his parents? Especially on the girl's end? As I understand it her guy was being followed at night in an area where she felt he might be in danger enough that he should run and she never checked on him? That is weird. Ditto on the parent's end. If my 17 year old left home to go to the store and didn't come home / call I would have been all over the issue that night. My boys knew they were expected to call. It brings a lot of things into question including their description of his character because if everyone just waited does that mean this was not that unusual for him and this time he just was unlucky?
PJ-697731
I've wondered the same question... especially since the son was visiting after having been suspended from school for 10 days for possessing an empty baggie that tested positive for marihuana. Screw the argument that Trayvon didn't know what was in the baggie... kids don't collect empty bags. The father was "visiting" his fiance so perhaps he was happy for the alone time with her?
Sir Mason:
PLEASE don't tell me you're a police officer in Los Angeles... By Department, I'm thinking you must mean Sanitation Department. It would be sad and disturbing to think you're really a police officer, after reading your despicable and ignorant comments to people:
If you're really "on the job" please provide your badge number and Precinct, so that I can inform Internal Affairs of a dangerously unbalanced person in their midst. If you're REALLY a police officer, you need counseling and shouldn't be on the streets armed with a weapon. You lack judgement and critical thinking skills and are a ticking time bomb that needs intervention.
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John2006106
Well said
Mason
And therein lies your problem.
Dear John, Rocky and Steve: Now Ladies, Please. No need to bow down to me. Now that I have ruffled your feathers. Gentlemen, let's stick to the issue at hand, and that is if any of you have the Common Sense Ability to do so. Zimmerass has called five times since last August regarding the same thing. Suspicious looking individuals in his neighborhood. When asked by dispatch, what were the individuals, Zimmerasses response in each of the five calls were "Black". An unfortunate pattern / M.O. in the head of this over zealous, negligent citizen. Each and every one of you gentlemen are speaking from the standpoint of someone looking at the situation from the outside of Trayvon's family. Had it been any of you or one of your loved one's, all of you would be standing side by side with me and the rest of the the outraged people, in our country, wanting justice for the loss of your loved ones. Period.
Mason
Provided the FACT is that Blacks were the ones he was observing the M.O. is not an M.O. but simply reporting FACTS. I won't debate George may be over zealous or negligent but the simple fact that he was ASKED the race, rather than volunteer it, on each call and those he saw were in fact black does not make him racist, which appears to be what you are attempting to imply. Going to an NAACP conference and reporting the majority of those attending are Black is most likely valid and not racist. The calls where he reported suspicious activity happened to report it was blacks. He is also accused of reporting children playing in the street.. I didn't catch the race reported there. It is amazing how the call count keeps changing as well. 40 something is now 7 since August yet other reports have it as 7 of 9 calls. Both could be 100% accurate.
Trust Verify: If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck. It's a duck. :-)
Wow, shocking... a "Neighborhood Watch" person calling 911 five times in six months... SHOCKING (NOT)
Do you know there were eight burglaries and one shooting in the complex in 2011. So NO, it's not at all over zealous to think that someone on "Neighborhood Watch" would actually call the police when he sees something suspicious. Of course the Media told us it was 46 times last year, but that was false, just like almost every aspect of this case reported by the Media and exacerbated by the pathetic race baiter Al Sharpton. Of course, who's more pathetic, Shaprton or the sycophants to are swayed by his twisted words?
Sir Mason: it's interesting how you can only focus on how "Zimmerass" can ONLY be a "zealous, negligent citizen". I mean, there's absolutely NO OTHER possibility for anything else to have occurred?
I mean, you have juvenile delinquent, staying with his father, after being suspended for 10 days, the third suspension in five months. On one occasion Martin is found in possession of a large amount of women's jewelry and a large screw driver considered to be a "burglary tool" by the authorities. Hmmm, don't all 17 year olds carry giant screwdrivers in their backpacks so they can help out the School's Custodians by tightening loose screws they see in the school? I think not!
So we're left with trying to ponder what's more probable? Would Zimmerman just "stalk" and "pursue" a black teenager who he thought might be on drugs, with the imminent arrival of the police, or is it more probably that Martin, being a bit thuggish, a gangster wanna be, was mad at the world and approached Zimmerman, as Zimmerman was returning to his car, and punched Zimmerman in the face after some words were exchanged?
While we don't know what transpired to initiate the fight, we do have eye witnesses who saw the fight and said Martin was assaulting Zimmerman.
If it looks like a gangster, tweets like a gangster, and carries burglary tools like a gangster, it's a gangster!
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Mason
And what do you want to bet he knows which ducks are doing all the burglaries.
Why dont you just come out and say it, youre pissed off because a "white" guy shot a negro.
Mason: We really don't give a damn what you have been doing for 30 years in LA, LA, land. Florida law is what it is, and it is fairly evident you don't wish to understand that. Screw you and your idiotic suppositions.
For your next career, how about a life guard at a pool for senior citizens.
Please take the time to watch this video!The purpose of this Trayvon Martin Poetic Tribute is to raise awareness of not only the case itself, but to recognize the bigger issues of society at large. We live in a society where fear of diversity and differences are implanted in our minds through media and in all sources as a whole, which teaches us to react off of fear, vengeance, and hate. Imagine if we pay fear with unity; vengeance with forgiveness; and hate with love. Trayvon Martin case has created a stage and opportunity for us to love despite our differences. This film is only one way the outcome could have happened. We weren't there so please don't think we're saying this is how it happened. Truth of the matter is, if you actually listen to the poem, you'll notice the power in uniting through love (unconditional) and the power in forgiveness. We are not portraying right or wrong, we hope to portray the strength in love and the weakness in fear.
There is no love coming from the Racist Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the news media! They want to stir up trouble.....The death of this young man Trayvon Martin has only served to enrich these men and the news media...they are a disgrace to the human race!
SUPER! Way to Go Nancy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
More agree with Nancy- this is more evidence how people are using the Trayvon Martin case to further their own ambitions and agendas
Idiot! What agenda.
Look at these groups out there- Google some names and start connecting some dots before you ignorantly start name-calling people you jerk!
Wild Bill, Ask the New Black Panthers what their ambitions & agenda might be. You might be surprised!!!
Bottom line 24 pieces of womans jewelry and a large screwdriver (prybar) were found in Trayvons backpack at school.You don't hear much about that though.He was a burglar and got thirsty and hungry while casing houses in a new rich neighborhood.Then he got caught while in the act by a alert caring neighbor who was a APPOINTED block captain.Then he got mad then he got dead.
The people you call race baiters simply know what it takes to get attention paid to something they believe is important enough to be paid attention to. Lets not forget, Trayvon was dead days before the family was notified. Days. Not hours. The police had his ID and his address.
The people you are lamenting may be race baiters, but they have forced the issue into a national spot light and will keep it there. I wonder what would have happened if the inept police force in Sanford had done even the most basic police work. Talk to police in your area. 99.99% of the time, if there is a shooting, especially one where a death is a result (even in police involved shootings), collection of evidence is done and done as thoroughly as possible. Yet, none of that occurred in Sanford. Now why is that? If the skin color of the assailant and victim were switched, would the darker skinned assailant have been allowed to just roll out based on a Stand Your Ground Law? That thought alone is laughable.
When the s--t hits the fan I'm going to be surrounded by my nice Hispanic neighbors. This token Anglo is not leaving my safe cocoon until this s--t ends. I've been there I've done that Got the Tshirt I don't need to do it again. Remember to duck y'all.
I'll say this as long as you keep blaming Sharpton and Jackson!!! Jackson and Sharpton did not MURDER Treyvon Martin!! Jackson and Sharpton did not MURDER Treyvon Martin!! Period.
Antoine in MD: Did you not read the police reports?Did you not see that they were out there working,They had crime scene tape around the scene. Sharpton has stated that they didn't and that they didn't even secure the site. He is a lier and shows up just to cause trouble and then leaves. I for one am SO tired of hearing "If he was a white man" That is all in most of your heads because of people like sharpton and jackson. Do Not tell me that the police do not investigate crimes against black people.That is flat out untrue. Do you have any idea the times that we see where there was a shooting and the police show up to investigate-Even the people that saw the Whole murder,Suddenly Saw Nothing? They Heard Nothing!!And the Police are harassing them by asking all those questions. They show up to help and do their jobs.But when you refuse to help yourselves.What do you expect them to do??
Another thing that I have just heard lately. We are afraid of black people?? I am not afraid nor have I ever been Afraid of black people!! I am a female. And a mom.I feel so terrible for Trayvons mom and I am so sorry that it happened.But I will not persicute Zimmerman untill I know Beyond A Reasonable Doubt that he is guilty. There are people on these blogs that are So Closed minded.There is No Way they could Ever be Fair.If Jesus stood in front of them and said This man is innocent.They would call Jesus a liar.
Charles-1820634
No one said "The Reverends" murdered anyone. They are going to get people killed if they keep it up, if they haven't done so already. Treyvon was NOT murdered. He was killed. The debate is what flavor of homicide.
Charlie: I"ve got some news for you. Up until right now nobody has been charged with murder. Not Jesse, or Al, or George. Nobody murdered Trayvon Martin.
Zimmerman needs to be arrested,period.The media is doing what they do and it will be worse when the trial starts.In my opinion,and it is just that they need to charge him with man slaughter.I don't believe this was racial nor do I believe it was murder.I do believe this happened out of fear.There had been several break-ins by young black men and Zimmerman wasn't about to let this one get away.When he says on the tapes "These fu$%ing punks always get away with it",to me says it all.There is not enough evidence to say with 100% certainty that Trayvon attacked him.Zimmerman followed him and shot him out of fear.
Maybe but then the race hustlers won't be able to get the milage out of it. At least Jackson, Sharpton and Roland Martin are equal opportunity haters. If its not the whites now its hispanics like Zimmerman.
Renee, that is the 3rd reference you have made to some impending doom. Please go sit in a corner some where. You deserve a time out.
If the "race hustlers" had not gotten involved, where would we be with this case? certainly federal investigation would not be involved. Certainly the state of Florida would not be involved. You call it race hustlers. I can understand that because you are likely white and have no knowledge or understanding what it is like to live oppressed in some way or another. So get a group of like people riled up is baiting and flaming the fires in your mind because you can't understand their frustration. So, would it help you to know that it was a WHITE man who brought to the "race hustlers' " collective attention because, well, he just thought, "wow, that is just wrong that you can kill an unarmed person in cold blood and not even be arrested or detained for questioning". But maybe he was race baiting too.
Renee, you ready to place nice?
Antoine First read my reply on your re post of that time line.I forgot to address it to you.You seem very intelligent at the time.You still do except the facts in the case.In this statement you mentioned that George wasn't even detained or held for questioning.I know the MSM has been trying to make it sound like George walked,to his car and went home after it was over.But you had to have seen the fuzzy video that showed him handcuffed being lead into the station.Sorry I hate to do this I can't find vthe source in my notes.But Trayvons dad was shown a photo 12 hours after the death.It wasn't offical until three days later (another media twist).There were a few other things but I digress.You seem to be a smart person .Take some time grab a note pad and do some hard research.Get facts not speculation.
Renee Har you are exactly why this is going to end badly. That attitude you don't care who you get vengence on. Any Whitey will do.
Wow, lonereb, they way you make such broad generalizations... you sure you're not a professional bigot? Come on now, you've had some practice hating folks you never met, didn't Don't be shy. Your ease with a blanket statement gives you away; you definately skilled at blindly following the scared racial herd, sir, and I salute your finely-distilled ignorance... BRAVA, lorereb, BRAVA!!
Jackson and Sharpton did not MURDER Treyvon Martin!! Jackson and Sharpton did not MURDER Treyvon Martin!!!
Ciewywtb42mh6sps-23
Seems lonereb was referring to ONE specific commentator so no broad brush. Apparently the moderators felt that the commentator lonereb was addressing had violated one or more of the honor codes as they deleted the comment.
The part your missing is that there was a fight, now I can't say with certainty what happened, but it is not like George stalked, took aim then shot Trayvon for no reason.
all you wanted was money he started trouble and finished with trouble
Let it follow the legal course. If Zimmerman is arrested and it goes to trial, then let the evidence play out. If Trayvon did attack Zimmerman first, then Zimmerman is justified in shooting Trayvon and he is innocent. Otherwise, Zimmerman is guilty and it is murder.
This unfortuante incident will probably be decided in a court of law.....something the Liberals seem to forget that we do have a court sytem. They certainly have their Kangaroo Court out in force.
Maybe they are taking pointers from Mr. Obama in blasting the SCOTUS.
Nice try. If it wasn't for the "Liberals", this case never would have had a chance to go to court - swept under the rug, to the delight of all the KKK wannabes.
If the court doesn't see it their way and Zimmerman gets released.Do you think they are going to believe it? Do you think they care? Do you think this ends? Are you naive?
As Enzo said.
Wow, white people decrying court outcomes that don't go their way. That's a switch. I seem to recall someting from American History about dozens of lynch mobs that was formed against black males when all white juries didn't "do the right thing" when a passing verdicts in the past. I must be remembering it wrong and it was really black terrorists in black robes having chicken picnic feasts while the bitter fruit hung from the trees. That must be it.
I was reading this book I found in the toilet called "To Kill a Mockingbird"; it was supposed to have something to say about our country's history of juris inquality, but since it didn't have any pictures or a forward by Anne Coulture I just threw it back in the can. Liberal claptrap talking about equality... I would've shot the book if I had brought with me my 9mm with the extended clip and Matthew 7:12 engraved in the handle... I'll just use my Lil Limbaugh .32 I have strapped to my picture of baby Jesus.
Mr. Obama did not MURDER Treyvon Martin!! Mr. Obama did not MURDER Treyvon Martin!!!
Charles-1820634: You need help! Or do you have a stuttering problem?
KRedcorn
Leave Charles alone.. they are playing Jessica Fletcher. So far they have eliminated 3 suspects, "The Reverends" and the POTUS. Just a little over 310 million suspects to go in the USA.
Charles: Because Zimmerman killed an unarmed teen !!!
That's Right Maria! Charles is just a "Special Ed. Clown"!
Mason son, neiner, neiner, your a weiner..lol
I'll call your two clowns and raise you a fool!!
Sir Mason, PC101-3548820, Charles-1820634, you're each suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
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Not A Drone banned, rereg of BillJenkins. Multiple WilliamJenkins_III also banned.
Hay, people of Sanford!
There is a man pretending to be a preacher coming to your town.
Do the world a favor and "stand your ground" against this guy.
Zim, you do the world a favor and shoot yourself. Save us all a lot of money (you control freak douche-bag).
Now, that's what I call right down the middle and to the point.
Sane Central: You go first!
maria, almost no black guys break in houses or sell dope nor do they rob people. they are gay, that is why they run around with their pants saggin and showing their ass
Lawrence: Huh?
There are White guys that commit all sorts of crimes!!! So would I be justified to go out and MURDER them???? If you repeat that crap backwards a few times you may realize how stupid it sounds!!!!
We wait until court. Then we hope and pray for a sane Jury. Hopefully, same outcome as Dr. Murray in the Michael Jackson case, a Conviction...
Your post started as if it was going to be a fair statement, hoping that justice would be served ... then you ruined it with the last sentence.
Anna, Mason son is disingenuous. Pretends to himself that he is fair and balanced.
About 93 % of Blacks who die by homicide are killed by other Blacks. Perhaps we should work on getting that number down, rather than raising so much marching and hell raising about the other 7 %.
Don't ask where I get the percentage - it is all over the web. And, what, if was only 83 % that would be OK?
Notice that nobody takes to the streets in protest over the 93%. This is about the opportunists coming out of the woodwork to use this incident to further their own ambitions and agendas.
A kid is dead. The man that killed him is walking free. Enough said. How would you feel if the kid was yours? Would you just accept it and move on? If you had a heart, you'd fight for justice rather than complain about other people exercising their 1st amendment rights.
Right CR except I remember the same type of racial hype where the mob didn't get what they want. Your in California look up the tapes of the aftermath of the first Rodney King trial. That mob riot happened in your state and that father was a citizen of your state and his wife and kids are citizens of your state and all he was guilty of was DRIVING WHILE WHITE.
First the "kid" was about 6'4 tall, not a 13 yr old 5' tall. Secondly, if the kid was mine I would be angry and I would demand an investigation, however I wouldn't make it a racism issue. But then again I would also be angry if my kid had to defend himself and for doing so was called a racist, received threats, and some idiots would have given our home address, all this without even knowing what actually happened. I would be angry whether I was Martin's mother or Zimmerman's mother.
Jesse & Al will be sure to see that "justice" is served.
Transferring won't make this not be MURDER! Other blacks being murdered did not MURDER Treyvon Martin!!!
Trayvon was not murdered.
Where Do We Go From Here? Create a Prison State for Wannbe OG's, Lil Nigga's and Wigger's. Send their parents there to, no matter what race they are! That will stop 98% of this Bull----!
Your statement reveals you own ignorance and racist attitudes- congratulations!
Strange how I see blacks making comments, not name calling and they're entire post is FULL of downgrading her and saying she's the problem but a post like this...1 comment. What a bunch of hypocrites here...racist hypocrites.
Niggas is not a race, it is a condition. There are many white niggas!! So there!!!
Charles-1820634
You make it sound like a disease that we can vaccinate against. It's an ATTITUDE and one that Trayvon appears to have been emulating by his choice of online names and real life actions.
A movie? Perhaps on the Lifetime channel
Yea, a movie on how to keep from reproducing like rat's and how to raise those Lil Rat's up! Otherwise you go to prison with them. That will stop the lower end of the Gene poole from having more Gangtas!!
Yeah, and in the movie the character of Zimmerman would be played by a white actor no doubt
Why a White actor? I think you would play the part perfectly. How many Gangstas' do ya have?
I say 'white' actor because of how many times Zimmerman has been miscontrued as a white guy when in fact he is not- the groups protesting this like it that way.
Have you looked, "true"? Zimmerman is described as white because he IS. He is also Hispanic.
Well none of my Hispanic neighbors seem to know what a white hispanic is.The closest we can figure is that is what Augusta called Lee Trevino and ChiChi Rodriguez. Rick there is no such thing as a white black man and there is no such thing as a white hispanic. The government of the US doesn't not give breaks in all things to whites. And our Attorney General does not believe that discrimination can happen to whites. And our Attorney General says he will not file if the victim is white. So there is no such thing as a white hispanic.
truesaid
Perhaps Charlie Sheen? I think Eric Estrada is a bit old. Same with Cheech Marin.
"Well none of my Hispanic neighbors seem to know what a white hispanic is"
Because your Hispanic friends are idiots maybe?
HISPANIC IS NOT A GOD DAMNED RACE!!!!!! ITS AN ETHNIC GROUP.... JEEZ.... WHat part of that dont you get? ANY race can be Hispanic.....A new race doesnt pop into existance in under 200 damn years... ALL Hispanics have a RACIAL BACKGROUND of BLACK, or WHITE, or Native American (North or South), and sometimes Asian (some Philipinos) EVery single Hispanic person can be traced back to one of those 4, or any combination of them. Thats why you pick your race, THEN decide if you are Hispanic or NON-Hispanic on the U.S. census. And teh further you leave the U.S. no one knows what a damn hispanic is, because it was a made up U.S. term coined by the govt, and businesses a few short centuries ago to lump every single spanish speaking person into one group....depsite them all coming from completely different backgrounds.... If Hispanic is a race, then so is AMERICAN...
Extortion, plain and simple. Let's just get on with the race wars. Obviously that's what they want. Certainly they care nothing about justice or the law.
Pretty soon every lil gangster's parents are going to want a Congressional hearing on why their lil Punk Kid was killed assaulting another person. Oh, plus $50,000 amd a Trade mark! Damm Fools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Where do we go from here? We stop trying anyone in the media - the court of public opinion - let the investigations take their course and let the courts do their job. And if the prosecutors find not enough probable cause to file charges, we accept it and move on. But most of all, we stop trying people on the internet!
Wow,some of the comments here are really scary !!! You cannot lump all black people into one group,nor can you white people or Hispanic for that matter.This is a tragedy that started before that night.Zimmerman got fired for being too aggressive as a security guard,then he becomes a self appointed watch captain,has called 911 forty some times,there were a lot of break-ins from young black men,as he said these fu%$ing punks always get away with it.This was fear driven from an aggressive self appointed watch person and he should stand trial.
For this I want to thank NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CNN, CBS and the rest of the media that feels its more important to make news rather than report it! The over the top sensationalism, and rush to judgement by so called "journalists" has served to inflame passions that incited a mob mentality which has further eroded race relations and civil rights in America.
Well, for starters... "Will 'someone' of authority, perhaps at PMSNBC, PA-LEEZE send Al Sharpton to "remedial English Grammar classes, and send him to a "Speech Therapist" to cure his illiterate stuttering... asap?
Please, also try to get him some "serious Mental Illness counseling, therapy and maybe medication too".
Who knows? Maybe someday, Sharpton may actually be able to "attend a Theology School" and become a real "Rev" instead of "playing pretend like he has done all these years.
There is NO way a person who cannot speak English and cannot complete a sentence in English could have "possibly graduated from anywhere".
The guy is the ultimate moron who embarrasses himself every time he opens his illiterate, uneducated torn pocket of a mouth.
I guess that is why MSNBC gave him his own show...in prime time too. They wanted a mouth that would to play the race card for Obama...time to scare whitie. They called it mau-mauing in the 60's. And, it worked pretty well...I'm still scared.
Bill 1967 burned my scare circuits out so if they come they can kill me if they can. It will be my version of a 9mm cure.
There cannot be a playing of the race card unless someone deals the race card. The question is: Who dealt the race card???? That's the question!!!
Charles-1820634
hmmmm seems a valid question. Let's see. Al Sharpton is a spokesperson at MSNBC. MSNBC opened with White Neighborhood Watch Captain kills Black teen.
It sure insults "White people " to have a person with some possible spanish heritage being called " white " I have noticed....They are White Supremacists if they have this viewpoint.....I mean really is Zimmerman black or white ? To me he looks pretty white...But then again I am not racist...I would only describe him that way as an identifier such as brown hair...But people with that biased viewpoint also think even Italians aren't white,basically to them and old Adolf anybody without blond hair ,blue eyes and anglo-saxon pure blood is not white...So to me anybody saying he doesn't look white as a describing tool is a racist whether they know it or not.....PERIOD...
sw philly
WRONG.
The issue I have, I won't speak for everyone, is that they made this a White kills Black intentinoally. The media, Martins, and the "Reverends" portrayed this as a hate crime to garner attention. The Zimmermans further fueled this by portraying George as Hispanic, so therefore "could not be racist. The presumption that only Whites could be racist." That you, sw philly, are lumping all of us with opposing views as being racist reflects poorly on YOU. Perhaps you are a racist, a bigot, or prejudice?
Interestingly the conversation turned to what makes one White. Per many if one is half white and any race EXCEPT Black that makes them White, but only when it fits their particular views or agendas.
Not all Whites are Blonde and Blue.
Not all Racists are White.
Not all People in your corner are on your side.
Someone is tracked down in the night and shot and law enforcement hasn't charged any one or even investigated. Where's the justice in that. The media has a right to question the whole thing. Every one $itched when Dubya started a phoney war and the media didn't question it.
Adrift2:"The media has a right to question the whole thing."
The problem is the "Media" is "Doctoring" the "News". Which is criminal!
Now whether Zimmerman is guilty or not. He CANNOT get a fair trial!
Solution: Zimmerman's investigation should stop immediately!
Obama needs to go on National TV and tell the nation that Zimmerman is free to go.
The reason? The National press doctored potential evidence and made it "NEWS"!
The media has thus poisoned any potential jury.
Obama: I will now direct my Justice Dept. to make a CRIMINAL case against the NATIONAL MEDIA!
All the blame for Zimmerman being set free is the "PRESS"
After all in the USA it is INNOCENT until proved GUILTY!
It is obvious to all Zimmerman CANNOT get a fail trial.....
adrift2
Posted by the Orlando Sentinel
Police have been reluctant to provided details about all their evidence, but this is what they've disclosed to the Orlando Sentinel:
Zimmerman was on his way to the grocery store when he spotted Trayvon walking through his gated community.
Trayvon was visiting his father's fiancée, who lived there. He had been suspended from school in Miami after being found with an empty marijuana baggie. Miami schools have a zero-tolerance policy for drug possession.
Zimmerman called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Trayvon as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs.
Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.
Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.
Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police.
Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose.
Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.
Zimmerman began yelling for help.
Several witnesses heard those cries, and there's been a dispute about from whom they came: Zimmerman or Trayvon.
Lawyers for Trayvon's family say it was Trayvon, but police say their evidence indicates it was Zimmerman.
One witnesses, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him and was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.
Zimmerman then shot Trayvon once in the chest from very close range, according to authorities.
When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody lacerations to the back of his head.
Paramedics gave him first aid, but he said no to going to the hospital. He got medical care the next day.
What mikeSanJacinto
thats bull!! the evidence stated that it was NOT Zimmermans voice! And where did Travon say "you do now" and punched him? BULL! And if he was "slammed" his head how come he was not injured?!And why we he just attack him out of the blue?!
The conservative asswholes need to check their facts. This guy is guilty!
All of you keep saying Zimmerman can't get a fair trial. He can. Look at the Casey Anthony case. There was just as much, if not more media coverage, and most people thought she was guilty, but the jury did their job properly. In that case, our justice system operated correctly. If it can in that case, it can in this one.
Dear NBC,
You've distorted the facts of a very serious news report, you've effectively destroyed the reputation of a possibly innocent man, and you've stirred up the emotions of countless minorities all over the country.
APOLOGY NOT ACCEPTED! Apology not good enough!
After Zimmerman is found innocent and the riots start, YOU will be responsible.
"the evidence stated that it was NOT Zimmermans voice!"
And that's exactly why the media resorted to irresponsible "voice experts" willing to make idiots of themselves to further the story. "the evidence" isn't real evidence at all.
Drone will that matter to the people who die or are injured in the riot that follows this trial. Do You think they will care what you think? When they are burying their family and the Attorney General isn't sending a team in to file hate crime charges. Do you think they will care what you think? Do you think we will?
mothonis
What mikeSanJacinto
thats bull!! the evidence stated that it was NOT Zimmermans voice!
Drone already replied but I will add to it. The so called expert happens to own not only the company that was hired to do voice analysis but also owns the company that wrote the software he uses AND the software he is using was only released in January of this year, not the same software he has used in previous court cases. The "compare" was based off a clear recording of George in a normal voice vs someone yelling for their life (screaming like a girl) recorded over a phone (cordless??? or cell???) through a window (open, closed) and they still got a 48% match. MAYBE if they recreated the same situation, including rain, they could recompare the 9-1-1 call. They did NOT say it was Trayvon on the 9-1-1 recording claiming they have no recording to compare to. My GUESS is they pulled Georges voice from his call to dispatch where he was speaking directly into the phone, not some 50 feet away.
Mothonis, you certainly are an uneducated, mental midget.
like your mom
Zimmerman is going free,GET USED TO IT
That man will never be free. You don't think he'll be constantly looking over his shoulder for the rest of his sorry life even if he does get off? He better hope he never runs into anybody that doesn't like him. Oh wait, he can just kill them too! I forgot.
If you are lucky Zimmerman will move next door to you and protect your a$$.
If what he says is true and a wiry 140-150lb high school kid hands his ass to him, sucker punched or not, believe me, I won't be relying on him whatsoever for my protection.
Besides, I have a glock 23 and I still think Zimmerman's approach was reckless. This is not about a gun or race issue to me. This is about accountability and just making some sounds decisions.
When the fear circuits trip in the brain accoutability and sound judgement go out the window and all that is in your mind is survival.
Then stay inside his car, Mr. Zimmerman's car; don't leave; stay still to save Martin's life and his nose.
Yeah. And it could be your son, daughter or grandchild laying dead in the street the next time. And then you can just throw up your hands and say OH WELL, MUSTA BEEN SELF DEFENSE. Jeez, I thought that we had come a long way since 1968, but based on the blatantly racist posts here, either they closed down that "fair and balanced" site and the TeaTards have nowhere else to post or we still have a long, long way to go.
Billie-2352729
Riiiiight Stay in your car where you can get your head bashed in on a public street.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-04-02/news/os-two-arrested-seminole-beating-20120402_1_victim-arrest-affidavits-crimeline