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Subscribe to RSSFive victims, all of them black males, were shot within hours of each other Friday in the city's predominantly African-American north side. NBC's Janet Shamlian reports.
Two Oklahoma men were held on more than $9 million bond Monday following a shooting rampage that claimed three lives, injured two, and shook Tulsa's black community.
Alvin Watts, 32, and Jake England, 19, appeared before Judge Bill Hiddle via teleconference from the Tulsa County Jail Monday. They wore orange jumpsuits and said nothing as the judge set bail in a session that lasted less than two minutes.
The two men are held on suspicion of three counts of first-degree murder, two counts of attempted murder and one count of possession of a firearm with intent to kill, NBC News reported, in a shooting spree that targeted people in predominantly black neighborhoods.
The judge set an April 16 court date for the formal arraignment.
In Tulsa, a community steps up after heinous shootings
According to TulsaWorld.com, police found the two men together on Sunday at a home not far from where the shootings occurred early Friday. Anonymous tips had indicated to police that England was the shooter, the TulsaWorld.com reported.
England's father Carl was shot and killed two years ago by an African-American man during a scuffle, and England, it appeared from a posting Thursday on his Facebook wall, was deeply disturbed by it.
“Today is two years that my dad has been gone shot by a f------ n----- it's hard not to go off between that and sheran I'm gone in the head,” he wrote, according to the Tulsa World.
Sheran was Sheran Hart Wilde, England’s fiancée, who killed herself in January.
Those killed in the alleged shooting spree were identified as Dannaer Fields, 49, Bobby Clark, 54, and William Allen, 31. All are black, but police aren't saying whether they believe the killings were racially motivated.
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Meanwhile, there were 5 killed and 23 wounded in Chicago over the weekend. Not sensational as an American Indian killing African Americans, but hey, since when is black on black shootings news? What's the count so far YTD in Chicago? Don't know, the media doesn't report it.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/04/09/5-killed-23-wounded-in-weekend-shootings/
Nor do they report the daily white on white crimes. Do you think it's the uniqueness of the case. Almost everyone else does.
One of many incidents of shootings over this weekend that barely draws a shoulder-shrug in our society anymore.
There was a time when a story like this would DOMINATE the headlines minute-after-minute, hour-after-hour, day-after-day, for weeks-upon-weeks.
This story will disappear from the headlines within the next 48-hours or so.
The harsh reality is that a person is murdered in this country by a firearm at a clip of about one-an-hour.
Every year in the United States, nearly twice-as-many citizens are murdered by firearm than the total amount of soldiers we've lost in Iraq and Afghanistan - a somber and telling statistic.
Where's the outrage?
Understand, these statistics do not include accidental shootings or suicides.
I own a Winchester SX3 by the way, but I fully understand the implications.
HR,
So true. I'm from Detroit, and have a better chance of being shot in my own city, than I would have if I had been shipped out to Iraq.
That's scary.
Sarah, what in god's name are you doing living in Detroit? You'd be safer in Somolia. By the way, your picture is pretty darn hot! You go girl!!!
HR Dawg - The harsh reality is that far more people defend themselves or others with a legal firearm than are murdered by firearms every year. Studies range from the hundreds of thousands a year and up. Of the 9,000 firearm homicides in the US, how many were committed with legal firearms vice illegal ones? THAT is the real issue, not that people have firearms.
Proud,
There are a few of us left up here. Just a few, mind you.
You seem to be of reasonable intelligence, so what can I take away from your last statement,"There are a few of us left up here. Just a few, mind you."??? Please don't tell me you fell into this White vs. Black thing too!!!
No, as in people living in Detroit. Have you been there? If you have you know people move OUT of Detroit, not INTO it. Sh**, half of it's burnt down.
Murder is murder, no matter how you put it.
One of my favorite quotes is "if you want revenge as you begin to dig the grave of that person you are planning revenge on you should also begin to dig your own grave also." It is very true!
Sympathy and condolences for the victims' family and friends.
I think its way past time that the black race starts dealing with its problems and come up to a little discipline and responsibility in their 'hoods and lives. I really think that most blacks want peace and serenity , but they don't dare stare down their young thugs, the thugs rule and become more and more vicious and bloodthirsty. Try to get control please, your all looking more and more like a sub-species without hope of redemption...I know I'm going to get a rant and a collapse....but hip! hip! buy the bar a round!
so a couple of white people kill and mame a bunch of blacks for absolutely no reason and its Blacks that need to deal with their problems?Seems like the problem here lies in the white community. Please go to FBI.gov and look up the stats on hate crimes--you will note that whites account for the overwhelming majority of hate crimes (over 60% in 2008). How do blacks deal with a problem that is not their own--perhaps the on-going legacy of racist white people need to stop feeding their families the poison that causes these incidents to occur in the first place.
I will note that blacks account for many many crimes against each other and other races--but HATE CRIMES are a white thing. That history of hate goes back hundreds of years. THAT needs to be addressed alongside the "black race dealing with it's problems". Teaching and passing on hate is more sub-species than anything you mentioned. If you want to see vicious and bloodthirsty (to quote you) take a gander at the loooonnnngggg history of blacks being hit with stiffer and stiffer penalties for the same crimes as whites (If you dare deny that either you are delusional or do not have access to the internet;we know you have internet access). How does a group redeem themselves when even the basic principles of justice are so often withheld from that race? It is also well documented that many crimes committed by blacks are drug related--go back to FBI.gov and see who the main dealers and suppliers of drugs in this country are--yup, whites;yet the majority of people serving time for drug related offenses are black.
You are correct that blacks, for the most part, want peace and serenity--do you have any idea where one might fid that? perhaps in a gated community? perhaps minding their own business on a sunny day in Tulsa?
It's easy to say "deal with your problems" when you have alll the resources to do it...blacks are not always, and certainly not as often, offered those resourses that you get by sheer "virtue" of skin color.
J Dubbya.... I definitely feel the black race has not made many gains since the Civil Rights days and feel that the "gangsta youth" ya'll are raisin' and afraid of, hurt the good, acceptable youth of your people that are tryin' to reach a bridge,, and yes I did say your people. I fear for your neighborhoods and when traveling I always whisper to the Hotel clerk before checking in, "is it safe here" especially if I see too many hoodies and people walkin' with a spring in one air jordan! Retake your inner cities and slap that boy when he talks back at ya, and if he comes home with a Gold Grille start cryin', its too late!
Please get a hold of all the white boys shooting up innocent people in our schools. I have never heard of a black child doing a school shooting. Please also get a hold of all your serial killers. 99% of serial killers are white. Thank you.
And so the same can be said about whites too! Stop raping little kids, murdering your wives, killing your own kids, and all the other crimes that for some reason whites carry out more than any other race!!!! Because I'd like to think that most whites just want peace and tranquility and not to be looked upon as trash. This country just can't take it any more.
Fruity--I equate the Civil rights successes equally with the abolition of slavery in that both successes were more on paper than in the actual hearts of communities. When slavery was abolished things got WORSE for many blacks--It probably doesn't interest you to study black-american history but there are certainly enough documentaries and films out these days that you get a grip on what it was like for most blacks post-slavery. Civil rights successes, similarly, were more on paper than in the hearts of non-black americans. Obviously racist laws are still in full effect to this day- you are un aware of them because they do not affect you or your family on a daily basis.
I've been to some white neighborhoods that left me BEGGING for a one-way ticket to East NY or Washington Heights just for some civility. There are some horriffic white ghettos, too! I understand your fear because I've felt the same way walking on a street with meth-addled toothless violent gun-weilding whites! When I see a white guy in a "wife-beater" I high-tail it outta there!!
I challenge you to Slap that white boy the next time he says the n-word or makes sexy eyes at his cousin or sister. Retake your country folk and reign in those rednecks a-hootin-ana-hollerin for a lynchin on a Friday night!
Once again--its easy for you to say "get it together" when you already have the things in place to facilitate that. If the playing field were exactly level we wouldn't need to have this conversation...
Another example that the news only covers stories of white on black crime. The reverse rarely makes the headlines becuase it doesn't sell and doesn't get the attention of the professional race baiters: Jessie and Al.
It could be that HATE CRIMES get all the attention...then you would still be right because whites commit the majority of those--by a long shot (FBI.GOV)..You dont like race baiting--blacks don't like racists. It's a stalemate!
You are right and all hate crimes are committed by republicans and right wing nut cases. It is impossible for a liberal or Democrat to do it. Maybe we will all be reading about you someday ProudTParty!
I did post the federal website where the info is easily found--but I know that facts have no bearing on right wing opinions and you'd rather DIE than accept the truth if the truth does not match your opinion exactly.
If you thought that 2+2=5 no amount of facts or scientific scrutiny could tell you otherwise. enjoy your ignorance--i envy you...I wish I were dumb and happy, toooo!!
Tell me one democrat that committed a hate crime. It is against the creed. And that makes you an ignorant aa hole.
I think you've proven who the a-hole is...guess you DID see the unquestionable stats--so now instead of admitting your theories and ideas are completely spurious (like an adult)you will just lash out with more hatred and misdirected anger. Thank you for proving my point about you and your kind perfectly!!! I imagine you are not smart enough to know when youve been completely and utterly outsmarted, so I will leave you with this:
The problem with the world is that foolish people are so sure of themselves, while the wise are so full of doubt. --B. Russell
Have a nice day!
JDubbaya are you as stupid today as you were yesterday or is this just a special occasion? I'm afraid you are to ignorant to know that you have been exposed as a fool. And I'll leave it at that.
lol..you crack me up. You can insult me all you want-FACTS back up each statement I made. Can you say the same? Having a battle of wits with you is unfair as you are unarmed. I pity your pathetic attempt to get a rise out of me but I admire your staunch adherence to the tenets of idiocracy. Thanks for the laugh...
should answer a few questions
and btw 72.4% of the population in the U.S. is white, 12.6% is black, if you can do the math then theres a very good point made for many of the arguments here.
Trust that the rights of redneck swine like these to freely obtain firearms were well protected by the NRA and their paid stooges in Congress.This is the well-regulated militia that have guns (dick substitutes) coming out of their a**holes just to protect us all from the socialists and other lefties.
joel...you aren't saying your gonna bring your "substitute" to a gun fight are ya...maybe you ought to rethink that!!
Fruity
When was the last "gunfight" you went to or even heard of--We are 150 years past the times when there existed such things and even then the gun toters were low class morons--much as now.
They are two up and coming members of the republican party. They most likely have a bright future in store for them with the kcohs and rove and all like that. They fit right in.
For hundreds of years black people have been oppressed, murdered, raped, burned, treated like animals, etc. for doing things such as looking at a white woman, or walking down the street, or driving a nice car.....For years crimes against blacks have gone unpunished! White judges, cops, lawyers, etc. have bent or broken the law to keep white people out of jail for committing horrible crimes against African Americans. Black people are fed up with people not going to jail after crimes against them are blatantly committed, which is why when an incident like the Travon Martin thing happens, and the guy does not go to jail, people get really upset! As soon as this new crime happened in Tulsa, I saw people already asking "where's Jessie and Al now". First of all, it just freakin happened, and second they of course caught the A-holes who did it, so there's no need for anyone else to get involved with this case. Al Sharpton and Jessie were asked by the parents for their support in the Travon case because a guy shot and killed their 17 y/o boy coming from the store, and the guy is not in jail. Please tell me there's someone who wouldn't do everything possible to find justice for their child...
White people are also fed up with the fact that crimes against them by blacks and other minorities are not reported. Not true!! I see crimes against whites all the time in the paper. Not that many are labeled hate crimes though.
The truth is on you see crimes against both races in the news, and sometimes you don't. Weather the media fuels a story or the parents who want justice for the loss of their son, or both..It's just how people decide what they want out there for others to see.
I really wish that one day, we can see things from each others side, and maybe really try to walk in the others shoes.
Tryin...yawn.
Good post.
Well when you get rid of retardicans, gopers, baggers, the KKK, skinheads, scumtorum,rmoney,newturd,retardican minion voters and the like you will eliminate racism and bigotry and achieve your nirvana. That pretty much eliminates the "Other side". If you could do the aforementioned you would have no need to talk with them and wearing their shoes would be pretty disgusting anyway.
TryinNot2Hate:, much of your post is approaching 100 years old, get into the 21st century when you try to explain how blacks are treated. They generally get bonus points on tests for promotions etc. Things have changed so much when it comes to the way blacks are treated yet they still complain and complain, that seems to keep their so called plight in the news. In many ways they are being treated better that whites this day and age. Sharpton and Jackson are idiots who just want their 15 minutes of fame, they are more the cause of the problem than the solution. Concerning the Zimmerman/Martin incident, no one knows exactly what happened, I am sure you would not want Zimmerman prosecuted if he, in fact, killed Martin in self defense. We don't know what happened, when we do I am sure justice will be done!
We complain because a lot of us are still wondering where this new found treatment of Black America is. If this is what the trickle down effect then guess what: IT'S NOT WORKING!!!!! I'm just wondering why White America is doing all the complaining now??? You(whites) were born with a limitless credit card in America: YOUR SKIN TONE!!!!! Don't be mad at us because you don't know how to use it!!!
Cousin Will...you guys havn't been over here from Africa long enough to understand how community works, and pay your credit card bill, not just the interest on it! Get over yourself and your downtrodden past!
This is the place where racist, hate conservative television (Fox), racist hate conservative radio, racist hate conservative political pandering (Republican Party) and racially blind arch conservative judicial system (Supreme Court) have left the USA.Throw arch conservative, monopolistic, unethical corporate business practices from the largest global corporations into the mix and we have a prescription for an unprecendented horror soon. People of good faith from all races and cultures better wake up to this growing horror and fast. Or it will destroy everything in sight. These two evil accolytes are only pawns to a much more sinister plot in our midst. They are equivalent to the Brownshirt Goons, Hitler unleashed in Europe during the buildup to WW2.
once again it is a cultural issue, these guys were raised around people who are violent! I spent the afternoon talking about sports and positivethings! I don,t live in a perfect world but we don't want to hurt anyone.
Guess if same crime had been committed in Florida, they could have claimed self defense. Even if they were indicted, they would probably get a Casey Anthony jury and let them go. Hopefully whole state will be submerged and wash away with global warming and rising seas. Good Riddance !!!
This is just another example of the wonderful work the Tulsa PD does for its citizens!! All police departments have their ocassional problems within, it is just like any other business where you have 7-800 employees there are going to be an ocassional "bad apple". Whereas it is usually noted that there is the 10%, Tulsa PD has about 1/2 of one percent that is an amazing figure when you consider 991/2% are above reproach. Please keep that in mind when you think about the TPD. As citizens of Tulsa you are very lucky and even more fortunate now that you have Chief Chuck Jordan. He is a good man and will be a wonderful leader of the Tulsa PD.
Fruity why are you yawning?
Bottom line is both races kill people. Whites kill blacks and themselves in schools, and their families before killing themselves (which I'll never understand; Go ahead and kill yourself, but why do you have to kill your entire family kids, mother in-laws, wife, etc?), blacks kill other blacks mostly and some whites for a variety of reasons.....What the f&ck are we doing??? We're destroying ourselves!!!!
Anyone who kills someone else for any reason short of an accident or self-defense, needs to be arrested and prosecuted....
Death drive. You can see that violence and killing connects people, and unites them in some way. No news stories generate as much widespread excitement and attention as the murder and war stories.
TryinNot2Hate....Amen brother...I agree we are destroying ourselves and living more and more in fear of others different than us....
what's going to happen if Mitt wins?
If most think that Pres. Obama is divisive then they will get a big wake up to what Romney wants for "His" America!!! (i.e.)" We need to take back "OUR" country!"
BE SMART AND VOTE FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!
First thing Romney is gonna do is take away everyone's citizenship.....and when you reappy, it will be for fewer rights. When the paperwork is done, he'll sell us and US to china for a profit.
This shooting has nothing to do with politics. These two, went around looking for black men to shoot. They are not getting out. Their trail will be for sentencing; life without parole or death.
Turn out the lights the racial harmony party is over.
jimmy...I agree, it was a forced harmony anyway..it would never take root!
Sad thing is, most white people complaining about black people is kind of funny considering that most of white america don't live nowhere near a black community and come into contact with them rarely. But regardless of race, we all have to come together as a nation and stop with all the bull@!$%#!!!!!!!!!!!
Cousin Will...if I'm traveling I WILL avoid Black areas of the city, its called self-preservation! And I do cross the street instead of wading through a group of black youths coming down the walk....hey ya never know!
I think it has to do with where you are. There are some white neighborhoods that I wouldn't go in. However, I wouldn't go so far as to say I fear walking in all white neighborhoods. Your comment is all inclusive, which automatically make it less than knowledgeable and somewhat biased.
Tulsa Mike I'm just pointed that racism between blacks and whites started long ago by whites, and has continued till this day, and this is one of the reasons why are so angry and tired of this bs. Not that crimes against whites or anyone else is justified ok?
I don't where you're getting that blacks are treated than whites. Really dude? Tell me right now if Travon was white and Zimmerman were black, regardless of what happened, would he not be in jail until trial...
Call Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson what you want, but there were asked by the family for support.. I don't really care if they're just trying to get on TV, if I thought the Grand Dragon of the KKK would help support me in bringing to justice someone who just shot my son, I'd give him a buzz...
Cmon you're really gonna say the Zimmerman should not be arrested? 1.Told not to pursue the kid! 2. Should not have had a gun in the first on patrol or that fact that he had a restraining order against him which you're not supposed to be in possession of a fire arm. 3. Daddy is an ex-judge........ You make me tired dude!!!
these two are scum, however if they some how came up with the bail money they would be out on the streets again right, so no bail these two have a reservation to hell
Connection to the Trayvon Martin murder? Since his killer was not arrested or even charged, now nearly two months after the murder and intense scrutiny, maybe these two racist killers in Tulsa thought they could get away with murdering Blacks as well...
hey jake....did your girlfriend kill herself because of you?
They do not represent the white community! They are a couple of murderous idiots! Do OJ and Rodney King represent the black community? I don't think so!
So don't point your finger at me!
Only if we all had the common sense to realize this, there would be less biased comments on this site. Ignorant people behave in ignorant ways.
I am constantly stating that some people think ignorance is cute. Well it's not. Some of you gives the impression that Americans are racist, ignorant, and incompetent. It is time the sane people of our nation denounce such ignorance and disassociate ourselves from these idiots. The ignorant morons who insist on dividing the people play a major role in destroying our country. We all have common enemies, and they are lowering the standard and quality of life for the common people. They depend on our division to manipulate and control us. As long as we are distracted by fighting among ourselves, we can not focus on the real problems that they present. If we remain divided, we will never be able to challenge them or or our dysfunctional political system that supports their actions. I am confident that we can meet on moderate grounds and solve most of the issues that has our country in a decline. Only a united people can rebuild America. Ignorant fools, who insist on dividing us, should be treated as outcast. They are a threat to the future of our nation. Ignorance and racism is a product of mental instability.
My goodness Tyrone. I have been searching for the words to express my feelings. You, sir, have beaten me to the punch!
Thank you for your sound and articulate thoughts!
$9 million bail? I can hardly wait to see all the comments if these 2 get bailed out! Boy would Al and Jesse blow a gasket.
kyscotty: Hmmmmmmm. Tells us to what socio-economic class you belong, doesn't it?
Really TJefferson? And which socio-economic class is that? By the way, if you want to appear to be intelligent that would be: "to WHICH socio-economic class"!
Houtkop: You're correct! The word I wanted is "which."
US Houtkop that's a very good point!! There stupid, a-hole, hateful people in all races!!