Indefinitely. High-profile cases are automatically placed into PC (Protective Custody), where no one will harm them because everyone is in the same basic situation as them. So nope, you'll have to give up your fantasies of what you'd like to happen to them in the shower rooms. It hardly ever happens outside of Hollywood films and the wildly sadistic imaginations of the American public.

On the other hand, if they are allowed into the General Population, these guys will no doubt be immediately recruited into a White supremacist prison gang because they hate Blacks and are willing and eager to kill them on sight. That's a badge of honor in some prison social circles.

They won't stay in protective custody forever.

"a White supremacist prison gang". But the article says the one guy is a Cherokee Indian.

Oh wait...he's a White Cherokee Indian.

Shandril....You ever been to prison?

Why not just say NO bail, are you kidding me, $9 million in bail?

How very strange, they look like such nice young men. The clean-cut look, the unmistakeable intelligence in their eyes, the well-styled hair - surely there's been a mistake.

I sure hope they find the real killers.

White Supremacists ALWAYS provide the best refutations of their insane beliefs!

One of many incidents of shootings over this weekend that barely draws a shoulder-shrug in our society anymore.

There was a time when a story like this would DOMINATE the headlines minute-after-minute, hour-after-hour, day-after-day, for weeks-upon-weeks.

This story will disappear from the headlines within the next 48-hours or so.

The harsh reality is that a person is murdered in this country by a firearm at a clip of about one-an-hour.

Every year in the United States, nearly twice-as-many citizens are murdered by firearm than the total amount of soldiers we've lost in Iraq and Afghanistan - a somber and telling statistic.

Where's the outrage?

Understand, these statistics do not include accidental shootings or suicides.

I own a Winchester SX3 by the way, but I fully understand the implications.

Momus2009, exactly what is your point? You do comprehend that these 2 aren't in prison yet, right? Prison is AFTER you are convicted and in most states for terms of 365 days or more. At this point they're in a jail.

And it is SOP throughout jails in the country to keep people like this in Protective Custody, along with tree jumpers, pedophiles, etc. for the entire duration until their trial takes place. Heck many places they even will go into lockdown when transporting high profile prisoners such as these two to the court house or even when they are in jail going to medical, going to attorney visits, etc.

Once convicted, sentenced and assigned to a prison, it will be a different story.

David Walker...As I kept reading your comment, I was certain you were going to say something about being surprised they weren't wearing gangsta-rappa type hoodies.

they should be able to get it dropped down to illegal pointing of a weapon...4 years on each count...

Sorry man, most likely they will be recruited into white racist gangs. Going to jail these days means very little.

Longer than they should.

protected custody is like having...casey baby sit ya' in a neighbor hood...where zimmerman's the security...

Suddenly every white guy is afraid of skittle-red-riding-hood. What a world.

I don't believe two people having a scuffle is considered a hate crime. But just keep up with your spiel and I'm sure it will eventually get there. These two went looking for black to kill and they found them. Quite a difference in the two situations.

Also, do you think if a white person had killed the father they would have gone out and started shooting white people? Hardly.

Sorry, for some reason this posted on the wrong thread...

Shandril,

Was he shot simply for being white??? If not, than it wasn't a hate crime...

The critical identifying element of hate crimes is the bias motivation of the perpetrator. The distinguishing factor can be obscured by the very term hate crime, which is the popular term used in connection with bias-motivated violence. In fact, bias crime is a more accurate label. Many if not most crimes are motivated by hatred of one kind or another. Not every crime that is motivated by hatred for the victim is a bias crime. Hate-based violence causes a bias crime only when this hatred is connected with antipathy for a group, such as a racial or ethnic group, or for an individual because of membership in that group. In some form, virtually every state in the United States expressly criminalizes bias crimes.

Read more: Hate Crimes - Elements Of Bias Crimes, How Bias Crimes Differ From Other Crimes, Scope Of The Problem - JRank Articles http://law.jrank.org/pages/1318/Hate-Crimes.html#ixzz1rYl95x4K

It's no different than thugs in Baltimore any Friday night.

Shandril... please understand this is coming from a white man, so there is no bigotry or race involved.

There wasn't media coverage because, at least according to the information previously provided, England and another went to the home of the African-Americans residence. Johnson shot England in self defense.

That being said, Johnson was only charged and convicted of "pointing a firearm". Why was the POSSESSION of a firearm by a felon, Johnson, not prosecuted?

Is it possible that he came into possession of the firearm from one of the assaulters? Maybe he shot the guy with his own gun. None of this has bearing on the fact that these two excuses went looking for targets based on a need for revenge. Vigilantes are not law enforcers. They are avengers. They committted cold-blooded murder. That is reprehensible. Sorry, for the perps past suffering--not these men's fault. If they no what's good for them they will plea and avoid the death penalty. The saddest part is the little boy who will now be raised in foster care unless a grandparent comes forward to take custody.

Olde Sarge... The way I read the previous "report" Mr. Johnson drew his own weapon... I'm NOT defending the actions of England... He and his partner were wrong... period end of story.

But I still question why a felon was not prosecuted for the illegal possession of a firearm. To the best of my knowledge, felons are prohibited from owning firearms in all states.

Sarah, I look at that website quite a bit and there is some text to the fact that it is somewhat subjective as to whether or not a crime is a hate crime. If black on white not a hate crime, white on black probably a hate crime.

Upstate,

The point is, race doesn't matter regarding whether or not it can be considered a hate crime. It's the motivation of the killer that's the determining factor.

If race doesn't matter how many blacks have been charged with a hate crime? So if a black man kills a white man, the media and the justice system doesn't infer that race had anything to do with the killing. So it was just a plain jane killing. However, if a white person kills a black person the media and the justice department under Holder immediately want to infer race was the motivation. So that suggests that ONLY whites target blacks based on race. That is simply ridiculous. Unfortunately there is plenty of hate on both sides so statistically it would be impossible for so few black crimes to not be racially motivated.

We aren't solving a darn thing. The media is purposely starting racial divide and many race baitors are thrilled to comply.

Clearly these two killers, if they are the ones that did the shooting, are deranged and need to be locked away for a long time. Everybody would want that. If the one shooter was still angry over his dad's death, which I would not be surprised he would have intense feelings, he needed mental help. This is why the ME mess will never get sorted out. It is an eye for an eye. Who can forget. Who takes the first step forwards forgiveness?

I don't get it...if some-one is shot dead, were they shot dead because somebody loved them. Believe me if I shoot you dead, I will no doubt hate you at that particular instant.

From reading the news accounts of Carl England's murder, it was more than a "scuffle." He went to his daughter's apartment to help her after Pernell Jefferson tried to break into the apt. Jefferson then left the scene w/the inanition of getting a gun, came back and shot Carl England in the chest. Jefferson has never been charged w/England's murder, but he's currently in prison for another crime. He has a rap sheet dating back to at least 1992.

So much for the "scuffle" assertion.

If race doesn't matter how many blacks have been charged with a hate crime?

As many as have met the elements of the hate crime statutes, wherein they were motivated to kill their victims based on their perception of the victim's inclusion in a specific demographic only.

I don't get it...if some-one is shot dead, were they shot dead because somebody loved them. Believe me if I shoot you dead, I will no doubt hate you at that particular instant.

No, the question is... Were they shot because, and only because, someone perceived them to be a member of a specific group or class???

Of course the armed robber isn't shooting someone based on his "love" for them, he's shooting someone for any number of reasons... panic, anger, worry they can identifiy him/her... But, in a hate crime, the shooter has one reason, and one reason only... that perceived inclusion of the victim into a certain group.

Shandril...in the eyes of the law and more pointedly the eyes of the victims and their families, what happened to Englands father two years ago has no bearing on the current crime in question. His fathers murderer was tried and convicted and is serving time.

England and his accomplice are accused of randomly gunning down African American People. Yes this is proably the text book example of a hate crime. The sad fact is that if this case is taken over by the Federal Authorities as a Hate Crime Case then these two can actually avoid the needle for the death penalty for such a heinous, premeditated, action.

Sarah....I don't feel comfortable in a different tribe and I doubt any one else does, so if I'm packin' and some one actin' up around me....my flee/anger response could/wil kick in...just sayin'! After its all over and hindsight is .....

While the legal definition of a hate crime is doing something based on race alone, it seems that the media and a large portion of the public push the phrase whenever the supposed victim is darker than the supposed attacker. Between the media throwing out bits of information and unbased opinion, 'community leaders' revving up everyone with rallies and speeches, etc., we lose the right of 'innocent until proven guilty.' For those chosen few cases, someone decides that this specific crime is much more horrific than all the others with the exact circumstances, simply because the person that got hurt has a darker skin tone. We need to leave the investigation and decisions to the police, judge, jury, even if that means they decide there isn't anything that they could reasonably charge them with.

Jake England watched his father get killed as he "scuffled" with the black man that was attempting to kick down his daughters door. The father wasn't armed, the black man was. The killing was ruled justifiable homicide. It was reverse Trayvon Martin but Jesse and Al did not show up.

The killin' of a white person by a black person is very rare. typically, or in 90% or more, the killin' is black on black. Also typically, those murders are not solved because there are no witnesses nor investigations. They are often just a communication problem between choir boys. (the hoodies, both killas' and victims, are referred to as "choir boys in New Orleans because of they are always referred to by the mother as good boys that went to church on Sunday?)

The killing of a white person by a black is rare?..........LOL And blacks rarely mug, rape, beat whites also? Get real

We should have a protest and riot every time a white is killed by a black.

thanks for the link. So it is a misnomer to think that all hate crimes are white on black. Good to know.

All these definitions and excuses for why, and what is just another way to look for justification, for this crime. This kind of action and reaction to a crime, black on white is all to familiar and long past centuries. White in my opinion to be considered (the weakest) is a shame. Any crime committed against them by black people, they surely hate all black people for it. So in other words it’s ok for the whites to rape, murder, and kidnap their own race. But as soon as someone black comet’s a crime against them hate and revenge comes to the surface, (because it’s always been there). The whole thing is sickening and has been from what I can remember. They could not even begin to comprehend or pull through the B.S black folks have been dealing with, up to 2012. Suicide not, getting through it yes. MEMO: there are criminals in every race you can think of, some just haven’t been caught yet and particular, their not even being looked at. Black folks, Absolutely STRONG.

"White in my opinion to be considered (the weakest) is a shame." "Black folks, Absolutely STRONG." Sound like a fukn bigot yourself.

In recent good news, the fact that the case is not going to grand jury means that there will probably be an arrest and open trial.

Not relying on a grand jury most likely means that the special prosecutor believes that the evidence she has is strong enough to warrant arrest and trial, of what charge we will have to wait. My thought is it will be excessive force resulting in manslaughter.

i'm puzzled by gun-rights folks' adoption of Zimmerman as a cause célèbre. One would think that they would indict his stupid actions to protect their own rights to continue to own and conceal-carry ...

... unless their glee is fueled by other more disturbing factors

Duh!!! It's the fear of White America is going the way of the dinosaurs. I'd be scared too if the land where I live is turning into something that I couldn't understand. Not all, but a lot wish this country would rewind its self back to Pre-Civil Rights Era(i.e) Slavery!!! And it really hurt their feelings when they saw first hand the swearing in of an African-American President. Karma ain't it a BITCH!!!!!!!!!

"i'm puzzled by gun-rights folks' adoption of Zimmerman as a cause célèbre."

Why are you puzzled, I'm all for right to own guns. I am against accessive force used in the zimmer incident. So why did you make that ignorant statement. What are your disturbing factors to make you do such a idiotic thing.

punisher, I'm not sure I understand your post. I'm going to respond to what I think you said. I think you are agreeing with me - although the fact that you say my statement is idiotic calls that into question :).

I don't begrudge your right to own guns - I own a couple myself, although I wouldn't consider myself a gun nut. What I am saying is that if one is a proponent of the right to keep and bear arms, one should denounce Zimmerman's actions instead of celebrating them. Gleefully cheering for Zimmerman sheds a very unfavorable light on gun owners and gun ownership in the wake of a dead unarmed teenager. The apparent fervor with which people are siding with Zimmerman is what I find puzzling.

As to the disturbing factors, let me spell that out since subtlety does not seem to be doing the job. Judging by many of the posts on newsvine, some people are siding with Zimmerman on racial grounds. There seems to be a concerted effort to cast Treyvon Martin in a bad light solely based on the fact that he was black and wore a hoodie - for that he is called epithets. As if that somehow implies that he got what he deserved. Those factors I find distubing, hence my "ignorant" statement.

Let me give you a piece of advice: in the future if you are going to call a post ignorant and idiotic, you may want to tighten up your punctuation, grammar, and spelling - not to mention your message. To not do so undermines your argument.

Jm, well, I guess if my grammer, spelling, etc... undermines my argument. Then you would have to question the reader not the writer, if that is the only argument. Last time I checked the vine wasn't english 101. However, you made a generalization on gun rights folks. Which do you think is worst, to make a blanketed statement or to pick a side in that case base one's beliefs? For the record, I'm not one to cheer for zimmerman, as I think he is in the wrong. If you actually look deeper into these post rooting for zimmerman you find that there is a common denominator, but it isn't gun rights folks.

Like I said in my post, I think we are in agreement, it was just hard to tell in the midst of being called ignorant and idiotic.

I think our "argument", to the extent there is one, boils down to ruffled feathers over my use of the phrase "gun-rights folks", with whose assertion to keep and bear arms I don't have any qualms. Like I said, I own guns although I am not active in the NRA nor any such organization. In my original post I was replying to EWUSNRET who seems ecstatic at the prospect of Zimmerman getting off and who ended his cheer with "stand your ground". If you bristled at a blanket statement then I guess apologies are in order. You are hereby excluded from that blanket group.

At the end of the day I think we are on the same side of the argument - however in-artfully one or the other of us put it.

For the same reason we don't look at manslaughter and 1st Degree murder in the same way. There are different levels of maliciousness in crimes, some are more insidious and dangerous to our society and cultural mores than are others.

A bar fight that goes on too long, an armed robbery that gets out of hand, a sexual sadist... We can all see the differences in the motivations there. The sadist who tortures and kills the innocent stranger is inherently more dangerous to our society and way of life than is the drunken frat boy who punches his friend too hard one night.

Those that hunt and prey on strangers based on nothing more than the "group" or "class" they perceived them to be in, is inherently more evil and more dangerous than the bar fight, or even the armed robbery, it's right up there with the sadist. The motivation behind it is solely evil and unjustifiable. Even the robbery you can say is more property motivated, that isn't true when looking at hate crime.

are the victims any more dead because some pathetic POS "hated" them?

While we are at it, lets remove any distinction between 1st degree murder, 2nd degree murder and manslaughter. After all, the victims are no more dead in any of these circumstances.

You miss the point entirely regarding hate crimes.

Ah, Sarah, you beat me by 1 minute! I'm losing my edge :(

I have fingers of lightening when it comes to the keyboard, lol.

Remind me to never get into a keyboard duel with you then. :)

If you look at the statistics on the website, Non-whites kill whites at a considerably larger rate then whites kill non-whites, (yes whites mostly kill whites and non-whites mostly kill non-whites) but the criteria for hate crimes makes it so that when a white kills a non-white it is much more likely to be a hate crime then when a non-white kills a white. Statistically speaking it is either a bunch of horse manure that these statistics are so skewed, or the criteria for what constitutes a hate crime is seriously flawed.

If you think that the bloods, the crips and all of the hispanic based gangs where race is part of being in the gang, do not hate white people and therefor when they kill a white person it is not a hate crime, then I have a large gothic style bridge in a major metropolitan that I would like to sell you at a reasonable price.

It is funny that when we put into law protections for minorities that very shortly thereafter some in the majority "get tired" of them.

Upstate: your stats are mostly true. What must be at play is that there are more hate crimes perpetrated by Caucasians than minorities: meaning that the underlying reason for the crime is pure hatred of the victim’s race or sexual orientation. I truly can’t recall a recent case were a black person killed a white person just because they were white.

The term "hate crime" isn't simply a generic term meaning somebody committed a crime because they "hate" the person.

A hate crime is when the crime committed is not only against the victim, but also intended to send a message of hate or warning to an entire ethnic or religious group as a whole.

"Personally, I'm getting very tired of this whole "hate crime" BS."

Why are you tired of the BS. If hate didn't exist, there wouldn't be such BS. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's not true. I'd bet if I spouted off a bunch of mathematical equations and theories, you'd be very confused and tired of it, but it doesn't make it any less true.

UpstateNY-2142934
If you think that the bloods, the crips and all of the hispanic based gangs where race is part of being in the gang, do not hate white people and therefor when they kill a white person it is not a hate crime, then I have a large gothic style bridge in a major metropolitan that I would like to sell you at a reasonable price.

Obviously UpstateNY, Left out a few. Gangs, Hate Groups all the same to me!

List of Active US Hate Groups as of 2000
(Alphabetical List of Groups by USA State)
(research from Southern Law Poverty Center Intelligence Report)

ALABAMA (39)
Alabama White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Anniston
League of the South
Atalla
League of the South
Auburn
Alabama White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Birmingham

ALASKA (1)
Women for Aryan Unity
Eagle River
Hammerskin Nation
Glendale
Hammerskin Nation
Mesa
World Church of the Creator
Mesa
National Alliance
Phoenix
Underground Skinhead Action

ARKANSAS (18)
American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Cedarville
Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Harrison
American Front
Harrison
National Alliance
Little Rock
Invisible Empire National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Luxora
Imperial Klans of America
Magnolia
International Keystone Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Parkin
RangerSkin Nation
Pine Bluff
Imperial Klans of America
Plainview

CALIFORNIA (29)
Underground Skinhead Action
Arvin
Underground Skinhead Action
Ceres
Women for Aryan Unity
Costa Mesa
Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance
Escondido
White Aryan Resistance
Fallbrook
Hammerskin Nation
Hemet
Underground Skinhead Action
Long Beach

COLORADO (7)
American Third Position
Arvada
Underground Skinhead Action
Battlement Mesa
Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance
De Beque
Melchizedek Vigilance
Denver
National Alliance
Denver

NORTH DAKOTA (1)
OHIO (26)

OKLAHOMA (5)
United Confederate Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
White Aryan Resistance
Catoosa
American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Collinsville
Elohim City
Muldrow
Artisan Publishers
Muskogee

OREGON (5)
Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance
Hammerskin Nation
Clackamas
Underground Skinhead Action
Estacada
Thule Publications
Portland
National Socialist Vanguard
The Dalles

PENNSYLVANIA (27)
International Keystone Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
East Texas
Aryan Nations/Aryan National Alliance
Easton
National Alliance
Fairless Hills
Hammerskin Nation
Hanover
International Keystone Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
Johnstown
United White Klans
Nanticoke

SOUTH CAROLINA (12)
SOUTH DAKOTA (1)
TEXAS (38)
UTAH (3)
VIRGINIA (26)
WASHINGTON (12)
WISCONSIN (8)
WEST VIRGINIA (3)
WYOMING (1)

Get the picture?

Thank you really that is perfect. A nice fat list for you all - thats not even a complete list - its perfect none the less.

Momus,

I posted this a bit ago and no one ever really answered me. It's a bit off topic, but I think it brings your point home nicely...

The official police report had Trayvon Martin listed at 160 lbs. The most conservative estimate of Zimmerman's weight was 200 lbs. That means that the weight difference between myself and Trayvon is around 10 lbs less than the difference between Trayvon and Zimmerman.

Now, take a good look at my picture...

If Trayvon had followed me, confronted me, was armed and I wasn't, and I freaked out and starting punching/fighting him, would Trayvon have been justified in shooting me.

Nice analogy. It puts thing in perspective in a pretty dramatic way.

BTW, you just told the world your weight... I thought women typically avoided that...

Sarah,

You are, by far, too gorgeous for anyone to even think about wanting to punch you.

Lol, yes I did just tell the world my weight, and I did consider that before I posted. Which speaks volumes to gender relations in our society. But that's a different thread.

Momus,

Thank you, and believe me when I say I have a right hook that's knocked grown men on their asses before. :)

Sarah..you are gorgeous, but your not a" tranny" are ya, you could be holding a friends baby...just sayin' I mean it doesn't matter but I won't buy ya a round til I know. hip! hip!

LOL, that's my sister, she was sitting down in the picture. You have no idea how often I get the "soccer mom" thing.

And no, I'm not a tranny.

The official police report had Trayvon Martin listed at 160 lbs. The most conservative estimate of Zimmerman's weight was 200 lbs. That means that the weight difference between myself and Trayvon is around 10 lbs less than the difference between Trayvon and Zimmerman.

Height differences?

Are you aware of physics? Your weight is a contributing factor to the force behind the punch. That's why they tell females to swing from the hips and lower body, that's where are weight and muscle is. Height may give you a longer striking range, but it won't give you a harder punch.

Answer the question.

Answer the question.

Sure after you have answered mine rather than throwing in some obfuscation.

Obfuscation, meaning disproving the point you're trying to make??? Height doesn't play a role in force, that's why we don't have "height classes" in professional boxing.

So, stop with the strawman and answer the question...

No as in blowing a bunch of smoke. Which you continue to do. You keep calling for an answer but won't give one.

I already explained why I don't have to. The question you asked has nothing to do with the point I'm making.

Height plays no role in my point. If it helps I'm 5'6, but again, that plays no role whatsoever in the situation I gave you or how hard I punch. Height doesn't effect the physical strength of someone.

Hey, bassai, here's your answer, trayvon was around what 6'2 maybe 6'3 zimmer was around 5'10 difference 4 maybe 5 inches, reach probably 5 or 6 inches. But sarah is right, height has nothing to do with power behind the punch, weight makes about 30% difference in the power. It's all about speed. Bruce Lee was pushing what 170-180, but could knock out a guy twice his size, why cause he proved that speed equals power.

Height does contribute to force... if you swing round-house, it gives you more force the longer your arms are. Also, if you are wrestling/fighting.... the length provides much advantage, tripping, pinning, fulcrum point, i've wrestled many that are heavier than me, and i've been able to put them in holds, get them into positions that negate their weight (lying flat on their back) and then punch the crap out of them.... So Sarah, if I followed you, and then you got the upper hand on me, had me on my back where I now weigh 0 pounds compared to you.... and I took a few good shots and my head started getting slammed into concrete hard.... I wouldnt shoot you once, I'd empty the Fing clip!

Sarah, you're so right the only thing that does matter is weight, a reach advatage does not mean you're going to hit harder ...........

If weight is the only thing that matters, why do we watch UFC or boxing fights? They should just weigh in and who ever has the mot weight wins! Great thinking everyone, you are so intelligent!

Weight has something to do with it, if each person stood still and they took turn hitting each other as hard as the could.... even then, notice I said something to do with it....

Come on people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Losing faith......

Karen,

If height matters, why is boxing divided into weight classes, and not height classes?

The speed behind your swing isn't generated by how long your arm is, it's generated by the muscles in your core, shoulders, arms and hips. And what's muscle???? Oh yes, weight.

That's why super models aren't strong. They're tall, but not strong.

Please explain the physics behind height as a generating source for strength.

That is pretty sick. If his crime was racially motivated then this should also be in the news prime-time. Hate crime statutes are applicable to any race.

There are 60K gun deaths alone in the US a year. National media can’t cover every murder. I assume they are covering Tryvon because Zimmerman has not been arrested. This case, I guess, because 5 people were shot randomly. I feel bad about Nancy and Bob Strait, and that person should fry.

Tao, there is more like 18,000 murders a year in the US and probably 12,000 are by guns, check Sarahs references to crime statistics and the numbers are available there.

To be honest, Tao did say gun deaths and not murders.

Thanks for the correction. My point is that the national media can't cover each one. Again it is sad what happened to Nancy and Bob Strait. A kid I knew in HS killed his father in cold blood becuase he wanted his car. That never made national news.

Raymond...great! Tell it as it is! hip! hip! barkeep get Ray a round!

Then stop all the whining and get the stories out in the news!!!!

Well since the person was arrested what's so news worthy about it, now if the guy was released without being charged that would be news worthy, see the difference ????????? It's like comparing an Apple to an Orange .....

What crime did Jeremiah Wright commit against whom?

No, it is not legislating against what people think. It is legislating the actions of those people based on what they think.

Will fed up, if you didn't hate so much, there wouldn't be such laws right?

Ash: Wright breaths!That's enough of a crime!

Bill, now it is two black men? No, it was one and it was after England had assaulted him.

Sad thing is that NO, blacks do not kill whites in hate crime situations. Mostly it's out of fear. Now most white on black crime is more than likely racially motivated.

Bill, your GED is showing.

that crime was ruled 'justified'. Look up the facts before you embarrass yourself :)

Why don't you use your brain and google to see what happened to them. Not hard at all. Most children can do it.

You are evidencing your lack of critical (and investigative) skills. The killing of his father was deemed 'justified' homicide. #cheers

Well the judge could have made it simple and said "No Bail". That would end the whole question about excessive bail, no wouldn't it?

Wrong thread and article linda.

The kid did not take revenge. Revenge would be the kid waiting for his father's murderer to get out than kill him. The kid drove around looking for black men asking for directions than shot them. It is a hate crime. Don't you know the new evidence on the OJ trail. His son did it. These fools cannot afford a lawyer like Johnny.

From Texas...maybe if them black men had gave him directions he wouldn't have had to shoot! It might have been the jackpot winner!....just sayin' Crazy world!...barkeep I need a shot with a beer...Canadian Whiskey please! Barkeep I'll leave after this one...just need a bracer for the "new normal" world out there!

"A black man murdered a white man, no one is concerened. "

The black man is in jail. He is not walking freely in the streets.

"The victim son takes revenge and every body is concerned."

Not so top gun, I see, or are you really that dumb? Revenge is not to go out and shoot anyone and everyone.

Why are you sure of that Cameron? Spell it out. Let your own bigotry show.

....yeah, those black convicts are really homosexuals who need prison as an excuse to sleep with each other......

"Did it occur to the 19 year-old that his dad was shot by a bad man with a gun he shouldn't have had."

Also, did it occur to the 19 yr old that his dad went looking for trouble and got shot by a bad man, not just any black person.

Yeah, but sometimes people have a REALLY good reason...self defense is a GREAT one.

No self defense in this one or Martins case, just right wing murder.