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FBI and SWAT teams surround an apartment building in Modesto, Calif. Thursday.
Updated at 6:35 p.m. ET: Police found a body Friday afternoon inside a fire-gutted Modesto, Calif., apartment where a suspect had barricaded himself inside after a deputy and a civilian were shot dead.
The body was found in the rubble left by a raging blaze that broke out overnight, Modesto police spokesman Officer Chris Adams said.
The fire erupted during a daylong standoff with a man who police said opened fire as authorities tried to serve an eviction notice.
Adams said it will take days or weeks to identify the charred body, which authorities could not determine was a man or woman, the Modesto Bee reported. Police had waited for clearance from fire officials before entering.
At one point during the standoff, police broke the apartment windows with bean bag shots and fired flash-bang grenades and tear gas. Authorities evacuated nearby residents in the development of freestanding buildings, each divided into four apartments.
Earlier, Stanislaus County Sheriff Adam Christianson said the gunman, whose identity was not released, was presumed dead, The Modesto Bee reported.
According to CBS San Francisco, the deputy was serving an eviction notice at an apartment at the Whispering Woods development in Modesto when the gunman opened fire. A neighbor who asked not to be named said she heard at least 30 gunshots. Hours later, the fire erupted.
The blaze was mostly put out by firefighters shortly before 2 a.m. local time (5 a.m. ET) Friday. At 6:55 a.m. (9:55 a.m. ET), fire crews were mopping up hot spots and making sure to put out any spot fires.
"At this point we're just waiting for it to be safe enough for us to go inside," Christianson said.
It was not clear how the fire began, but the Modesto Bee reported that the county sheriff has acknowledged that flash-bang devices and tear gas could have been responsible.
Officials named the deputy killed as 16-year police veteran Robert Paris, 53, who is survived by his parents, a brother and two adult children. The civilian was identified as Glendon Engert, 35, of Modesto.
'Another dark day'
Christianson called the incident "another dark day" for law enforcement in California.
KCRA
Large flames shot out of an apartment building in Modesto, Calif. late Thursday night where a suspect was believed holed up after a sheriff's deputy and civilian were shot to death.
Neighbors Yemen Zokari and Steven Gasterlum, who said they live with their baby two doors down from the suspect gunman, told the AP that they looked out the window when they heard gunshots Thursday morning.
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They said they saw two men lying on the ground, one on his stomach and another on his back closer to the door of the house from where the shots came.
"There was another officer that was kneeling on the side of the house while they were laying there," Zokari said. "I think he was staying out of the way from being shot."
Christianson said he believed that his deputies did not return fire.
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The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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His name was Jimmy Russells. God bless his jimmies. Never forget 4/12/12! Only the dead can know peace from this rustling. Shh no tears... Only jimmies now.
Saw allot of what the article was talking about on the news out here yesterday. The equipment used or at least brought out. Made me think that The shooter was well trained They were shooting tear gas from early on. And even had reports of flash bang grenades. My thoughts were if he has military training from Iraq. (first war) The gas and flash bangs wont do anything.
First off we need to help our Veterans when they get home. More and more are coming back from wars. And they are coming back to nothing there to support their return. Some of them need help due to PTSD And they deserve the help. Due to their service. Congress not the president needs to provide some sort of better benefits to our troops
It is terrible when this type of thing happens. Two people lost their lives for sure and the suspect may have lost his as well. Over an eviction notice. But please do not lump all our troops into one category. As needing mental help.
Is the shooter alive and still holded up? If he is still wasting taxpayer dollars send in Janet Reno and she will finish the house burning and take no prisoners.........
4-12-2012 Never Forget James "Jimmy" Russels.
Shh no tears, only dreams now.
Remember one thing - law enforcement officers have NOTHING to do with your eviction. They are simply ORDERED by a Court to go evict a person.
The person responsible for your eviction is NOT law enforcement it is your landlord!
So they went on a diet, the shooter was baked, not fried, works for me.
You cannot even imagine how unrustled our jimmies are.
I wonder if the chief of police is related to Major Booris. "We had to destroy the town in order to save it."
There it is, this crap has got to stop. More innocent people killed by military training. Was the murder was wearing a military hoodie or combat boots to give them the clues?
Paul, we are all "terrorist" don't cha know?
What the hell is that comment even doing in that story? Never heard of a gangbanger shoot out referring to whether the shooters had military training or not. Never heard any reference to drug killings being military training related.
Makes all VETS look like potential mad dog killers. Damn the MSM.
They don't report the news. They CREATE the news.
Never heard of a gangbanger having the dedication to get military training. See people wearing fatigues clothing and assume they have military background? Is that the case? NBC news is so bad anymore. How much of it is fact and how much is guessing?
Sorry, but it happens all the time. They join the military get out after 2-4 years and train other gang members in tactics and firearms. It's not just street gangs either, some of them join bike clubs.
Paul, 3 things come to mind immediately:
1. You are black and a convicted felon
2. You were educated in public schools
3. You are a complete, butt sucking moron!
Crashrandy
3 thing are very apparent:
Hey, you did finish 8th grade!
No spelling or grammar errors, what a feat for you!
Moron!
Butt sucker!
I need to add a 4th, which is probably a direct result of # 1, and that is, queer as well!
You idiot, lmao at you!
Hey ladies, calm down. There is no need to be upset. For it is foretold that on the day of the great rustling, no mortals shall live in fear.
Anyone who ends this type of statement with "LMAO"...is a moron. Public OR private school educated. White, Black, Green, or Purple. This isn't gang related, its mental health related. Mental Illness isn't prejudice, it doesn't care what color someone's skin is, their level or lack of education, or how much money is in their checking account.
sounds more like he just didn't want to be homeless, and had no place left to turn. yes a little over the top but this isn't a comunist country and u don't have the right to a roof over your head , or food in your stomach yes there is plenty at the store but if you don't have the cash you are gona go hungry. yes at one time there were plenty of jobs that paid well enough , but now there just isn't . so whom will go hungry? whom will be homeless ? it's all about luck not anything else and timing . but here we are the united states and cant even keep our people happy and sheltered ( happy to the extent that they all have job those whom would like one anyway ) oh and edjucation plays a part in the better paying jobs as well . but please lets not make the equasion that poor= ignorant nor that edjucation= inteligence couse it doesn't .
It is to bad the officer did not have more information about the frame of mind the guy was in so that they could have approach the situation differently. As for the fire I am not so sure it was not intentionally lit by swat. "To hell with due process the guy killed one of our ours so to hell with him." Little Wako? When a group of bullies with badges feel threatened they will lose all cool and forget the rules of engagement. all their toys did not effect the battle hardened Vet so they lit him on fire. That's what our vets get... They give it all and no help upon return. The Sheriff did not deserve to be killed or the locksmith or the Vet without due process.
I fear it will only get worse before it gets better.
People are so desperate now days, they feel like violence is the only way they can keep what little they have. It's a horrible story from both sides. My sympathies to the police officers families.
My sympathies go to James H Ferrario also known as Jimmy Russells. Goodnight sweet prince.
Hopefully the maggot was burned alive. If we had more executions we wouldn't have this problem. Let's start with the ACLU.
Texas keeps churning out executions like an assembly line and they seem to never have a shortage of people to execute. So your assumption that we wouldn't have this problem is we executed even more people is wrong.
Your comment to kill a group of people that were not convicted of a crime is most disturbing. No trial? Just kill them, eh?
Chum, have you ever heard of some scumbag murderer re-committing after his execution? Too bad they couldn't put a B-40 up his keester and see how high he'd fly.
Have you ever heard of no more murders after a murderer was executed?
No, but I have heard of them killing far more people and being far more ruthless in an attempt to get away. Severe penalties dont deter crime. But they can make criminals ruthless and more violent when cornered. A guy thats going to be hung no matter what, isnt going to give up peacefully, putting LEO and everyone in the area at risk. And its going to create a criminal less likely to leave a witness alive.
In the end, more likely to cost more lives, not less.
LMAO. Airborne, looks like this page is full of strong left wing progressive idiots. I like your style and your thoughts. We can get along quite nicely without those anti Christian aclu pukes.
Executions for murderers like this guy and for any attorney that tries to use tricks the murderers off the hook. Hope this scum bag popped open like an over done hot dog and was in great pain for some time. He wont be killing any more cops or any one else.
As for all of you who dislike my remarks, I could give a $hit less. Bite me.
Wonder how many of those put death in Texas were actually Texans? Fewer than you think!
Yeah, let's execute those ACLU idiots. How dare they defend the civil rights of the people whether they be Democrat or Republican.
I say we start with conservatives first. They're nothing but a pain in the ass anyway.
Completely irrelevant. I used Texas as an example since they have the highest execution rate. It makes no difference where the executed were from.
Just the fact that there is always a waiting line for executions, speaks about how killing criminals doesn't deter future criminals.
Airborn,
So if we execute the ACLU, people like this mental midget with a gun won't kill people anymore?
Ban handguns.
Takenaka. This is in California. His handgun was banned.
Bruce: Don't expect logic from Airborn. He's gonna string 'em ACLU varmints high fer justice! It's the Murcan way!
myspellchecker: California has some strong gun laws but handguns are not banned there.
For outlaws, anyway!
Um, no, for lawful citizens. Handguns are not banned in California just because you insist that they are.
What are the requirements for a California CCW?
1. Legal resident
2. At least 21 years of age
3. Good Cause
4. Good Moral Character
What is Good Cause?
You must articulate a situation or circumstances whereby the department can determine you have a need, not a desire, to carry a concealed firearm. There is an Attorney General Opinion which defines Good Cause.
In Florida, as with many other states, we can get a CCW with nothing more than a desire to carry a gun.
Yes, as it is in most states,
....SHALL issue ..... and not .... MAY issue....
An armed society is a polite society.
CCW and "banned handguns" are two different things. Apples and oranges, as I suspect you know.
I guess that explains how all those non criminals snap and kill their families, shoot up restaurants and shoot at complete strangers.
And yet will still carrry concealed and I have never killed anyone.
NYMike You can't control stupid or crazy. All you can do is protect yourself. How do you stop a person in a car that wants to kill themselves by ramming another car head on. You can't!!!!! It just happened here.
YOU CAN"T CONTROL CRAZY.
More guns & ammo for the righteous would at least give us a fightin chance against the feeble & evil!
You're right Mike. They could just shoot people coming out of abortion clinics instead of blowing the place up. :-)
I am affraid as time goes on and our goverment becomes more tyrannical more law enforcement are going to be killed by citizens.
That is why I believe Odumba will make a major push, should he get re-elected again (God forbid), for gun control if not an outright gun grab like the did in New Orleans, after Katrina blew over.
I really believe that the goverment will go for a gun grab and use the Trayvon incident, all of the shootings going on in the nation, and the Mexican boarder as a reason to grab the guns.
They are also closing thousands of miles of forest roads in the national forests. They don't want people in the deep woods because there are a lot of soldiers that will not give up their weapons and head for the forest for cover and use guerrilla tactics to keep from being enslaved by a government such as the Soviet Union. Remember the movie Defiance 2008!
I've got my escape plan and a couple burried in PVC pipe in the flower boxes.
Larry, when was the last time someone shot up an abortion clinic? When was the last time a Liberal cut up his over extended credit card? Obama Biden who's on top?
wlee, when was the last time a conservative cut up his over extended credit card? You think only liberals have over extended debt? If so you are lacking some thought process.
Verno, especially funny in light of Newt bouncing some checks this week.
Verno, since I'm not a Republican I don't know the answer to your question, perhaps you should ask Bush. So are you going to answer my question?
Here you go wlee;
January 1, 2012 Bobby Joe Rogers, 41, firebombed the American Family Planning Clinic in Pensacola, Florida with a Molotov Cocktail; the fire gutted the building. Rogers told investigators that he was motivated to commit the crime by his opposition to abortion, and that what more directly prompted the act was seeing a patient enter the clinic during one of the frequent anti-abortion protests there. The clinic had previously been bombed at Christmas in 1984 and was the site of the murder of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett in 1994.
April 1, 2012 A bomb exploded on the windowsill of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Grand Chute Wisconsin, resulting in a fire that damaged one of the clinic's examination rooms. No injuries were reported. On April 3, the FBI arrested 50-year-old Francis Grady on charges of "arson of a building used in interstate commerce" and "intentionally damaging the property of a facility that provides reproductive health services".
Are those recent enough for you? The latest act of violence against a clinic that performs abortions was less than two weeks ago.
Nymike, yeah It apparently wasn't worthy enough to reach us here in Calif. Do I detect a bit of an attitude, or is that just typical of New Yorkers?
This is going to happen more and more as things get worse. I really don't have much sympathy for the cop. When you act as muscle for some rich douche bag landlord, you get what you get. The risk goes with the job. Did you think people would love you for throwing them in the street, possibly ruining their life and costing them what little they own? Probably not. Maybe you should have, might have been going home tonight if you had.
The authorities act callously all the time, it shouldnt be surprising to you when its returned by the public who are often the victims of your callousness.. One of these days the peasants are going to revolt. I think they are close now. Everyone I know is preparing for some kind of collapse or uprising. People with nothing to lose are dangerous.
My sympathies lie with the families of the dead, however, they were not "protecting the community" as stated by Christianson. They were taking a man's home. No excuse for the man to commit murder, but let's not pretend the cop was a hero or "protecting" us from the non-mortgage paying cartels infesting the communities. I am not saying he should be living there for free, but other arrangements can be made. There seems to be a lot of these incidents lately. Tragic all the way around
Castle Doctrine. Man felt threatened in his own home. He had every right to shoot those coming to take his home!
And you think that because a few cops apply street justice to some scumbags this killer is justified in gunning down two people over a simple eviction notice? You probably think Charlie Manson was railroaded too.
The guy wasn't paying the rent so out he goes. It's the way it works all over the world. That "rich landlord" wouldn't be rich if they had to let all the free loaders stay for nothing. You try dealing with dead beat renters. It's not fun.
@lynseypug,
It was NOT his home. Have a comprehension problem? It was an APARTMENT. The bum was NOT paying the rent. It had to go through the courts to get the eviction notice. He knew it was coming. He was waiting for those deputies so he could ambush them. Cold blooded murder any way you look at it. No castle doctrine involved here at all.
My heart goes out to the fallen officer's family and to the family of the innocent civilian too. I hope this scum is roasting in hell right now.
You anti cop people make me sick enough to puke. Ever wonder what it would be like if there were NO cops? No laws?
@Freedom4Everyone
Your "logic" just plain sucks. So does your comment about the fallen officer. You must be one of those "occupiers" as your mind set certainly dictates as much.
Serving an eviction notice is NOT acting like a muscle for some "rich douche bag landlord". It is the LAW. Oh, hell, I forgot. You people don't care for the law. At least the killer got his just dues. That makes me smile.
Um, there would be no black citizens shot 75 times reaching for their wallet?
Ray, it was his home. Not his apartment by ownership but still his home.
Maybe you can tell that to the police officers that failed to follow the law when they refused to arrest the killer of Trayvon Martin in Florida. I'm sure they would like to hear your words of encouragement. Personally You appear to have a mental problem which would make you in my honest opinion unfit to carry a gun.
I dont care for any law that allows a few aholes to write all the rules to favor themselves. Must be convenient to own all the land and expect everyone to pay you rent.
When the government took away my right to homestead, they took on the responsibility of making sure I have a decent job I can raise a family on. No job, im Homesteading. Dont give a @!$%# about any laws made by rich scumbags.
Freedom, the cop was just doing his job he didn't write the law. Not all landlords are rich, what was he supposed to do let him live there rent free. I like how you blame everyone else but yourself for your plight quite telling.
I can't believe that 5 people gave a "thumbs up" to Freedom4Everyone's crazy view.
You want to live somewhere where there is no law enforcement? Fine, go immigrate to Somalia. That pitiful country is an example of a society without a functioning government or law enforcement. Move there and see how you like it.
I am moving to Somalia as a matter of fact. Well in my Yacht off the coast anyway. And you would be surprised how many people agree with my view. People are getting sick of being told its their fault for being poor while they are being exploited and raped by banks, the rich, and the government that serves themselves and only themselves.. Life is easy when everything is set up in your favor. Its a nightmare when it isnt. Ask any poor person.
The rich, the banks, the government are being seen more and more as oppressors. Fair or unfair thats the way it is. Disregard that at your own peril.
PS: I have no plight either lol.. I just see things from a poor persons perspective, because I crawled out of it and know the system for what it really is. A system entirely set up for the rich, mostly to exploit the poor.
Freedom, do you think you're the only one who started out poor? Not all rich inherited their money. I'm far from being rich but I refuse to blame them for where I'm at in life. I'm exactly as far as I was willing to push myself.
You have obviously never been truly poor either, Or i wouldnt need to explain it to you.
Poor people are exploited constantly, and its why they feel the way they do. Perhaps if you paid more attention to what banks and some landlords are doing to poor people, you might understand better. I guess its just easier to blame them as whiners huh..
Oh well, when the rioters burn down your neighborhood, dont say I didnt warn you..
Freedom, raised by my mother with 3 other siblings she working as a waitress at the pancake house living in the Stoner Av. projects, later upgraded to a two bedroom duplex at 98 dollars a month. I think I know a little bit about being poor. I didn't let that hold me back and neither did my brother and sisters, I could have when I contracted and worked 6 months and was unemployed 6 months, but I refused to play the victim. I now have a good job at a University, not rich but living comfortably.
Well thats great. Unfortunately that doesnt always happen for everyone. And it doesnt change the fact that many poor people are being exploited and getting screwed over. I can point you to plenty of people who will tell you how they lost everything to the banks when the housing market collapsed. Banks got bailed out, everyone else lost their shirt. People who were able to pay something, just not what they could before, yet the banks chose to foreclose. They didnt have to, but hey, who doesnt want a free house and screw a family out of their life savings.
Freedom, I'm not defending banks and believe there are plenty of crooks out there, I'm just saying there are ways out, you just have to work for them. All good things come from failure, it's up to each individual where he chooses to end up. Do some have more of an advantage yes, should you let that hold you back no
More importantly, an eviction, while painful, is not the end of life. Killing people over it is. However, if I were law enforcement here, I would not assume the body found belongs to the killer until that is positively determined to be the case!
Soft cry for more gun control!
Nice twist, cop. You wern't trying to protect the community. You were serving the bank who wanted to take this man's house!
I don't know the whole story, but if he is like me, he's been out of work for more than two years and cannot buy a job. He has gone through his saving and what little pension he had saved up. The only thing he may have had left was what he had paid on the princeple of his house and now he was going to loose that too....
Perhaps the bankers and courts should serve their own papers..... hmmmmm.....
Not only a cry for more gun control, but begging for more money. Obviously, according to Christianson, this could have been prevented if only they had taken more money out of our pockets and put it into theirs. I have never heard anyone from a government agency say " you know what, we have more than enough money to operate because we are very efficent with our budgets"
I stand corrected, this was an appartment, so the guy didn't own the building he was living in.
I guess he did not want to go live in a shelter for homeless men or live under a bridge.
In any case, I don't know where the notion came from this man was in his own home.
I am sorry.
It is an admirable trait to admit mistakes and apologize. Cudos to you switchblade. We could all learn from your example. Thank you.
"The bank" was not "taking this man's house." His landlord who owned the apartment building was trying to evict him for non payment of rent, as you now understand. Perhaps there should be better, more humane processes for this sort of event; but, whatever form an eviction takes (a homeowner from home or a renter from a rental) people need to remember that even with a bad situation, life can go on. Bring a gun to the situation and maybe not.
Just to make it clear, for those that are having a hard time... The man lived in an apartment. You know.. in the complex that was on fire. The police admit that their arsenal may have caused the blaze.. Then again, perhaps this guy knew this day was coming and set it on fire himself.
Police do not have a "choice" what they do on the job. Much like military, they follow orders from people that are a higher rank in the force than themselves. Although they should have some discretionary leeway on things, most do not exercise that, and just follow orders.
Being a dumb follower has led to some of the worst tragedies in mankinds history. How many German soldiers claimed they were just following orders? How many got away with that excuse. None.
YOU are responsible for what you do, and who you work for.
I think one of these days, police may find mass numbers of lynch mobs hunting them down. That would not surprise me at all. And they wont be taking any excuses about following orders.
I have had that debate with myself for years. I have come to the conclusion that if being a policeman was the last job on earth, I guess I would just have to starve to death. You could not pay me enough to be a policeman.
There are some good ones but they are far and few between. The only difference between a hardened criminal and a policeman is the badge.
You are so right! Look what is happening to our country. The brainwashed are following the leader over the rainbow to utopia.
switchblade I wouldn't want to be a cop either for two reasons the dirt bags you have to deal with and the ungrateful citizenry , yeah there are some bad cops just like in all society, how many of you rushed into the twin towers to save people you didn't know
@ wlee-950886
Dude, don't lay that guilt crap on me. What do you want.... an oreo cookie with the $65,000 yearly salary you make? I am sure the cops in New York make in excess of $65,000 a year.
No one is holding a gun to your head and tellling you to go into the "twin towers to save people you didn't know!" You chose to go into those towers and you were compensated for it!
Cops all think they should be elevated as hero's for doing what they get paid to do, when in reality they are the biggest liars, thieves, law breakers, and conniving criminals around.
switchblade , you missed my point, I'm not trying to make you feel guilty, I'm showing you the other side of cops,BTW I'm not a cop. How many times have you heard a cop say I'm not a hero just doing my job quite a few I believe. I've had way more good encounters with cops then bad
@ wlee-950886
Ok....but, I have never had a cop say he was just doing his job.... and almost every encounter I have had with a cop has been a bad one.
Cops don't like "contempt" of cop! I don't have much use for them. I guess it shows when I encounter one of them.
In the state I live in, we can carry our hand guns openly in plain sight without a license in certain cities. I have my CCW and was riding my Harley up the road. I get pulled over by the local LE and he jacks me up. Makes me sit on the curb with arms crossed on my chest and starts accusing me of running from him...."why you accelarate so fast from the red light?" I shrug what are you talking about.? You were going at leas 50 mph (road speed 45)... I say, "Dude, obviously you have never ridden a Harley....they accelarate faster than cars.....duhhhh.
I was eathing lunch just prior to the above stop and a couple of county boys saw me while we were eating. They must have heard the call because they were right there. They must have told that cop I had the right to open carry and that I was not out to rob a bank cus the local LE let me go. But what a deal.
Switchblade...people like yourself making ignorant comments about law enforcement's job AGAIN! This MURDERED officer wasn't "serving" the bank...he was doing his JOB which according to his department's policy is to assist with evictions IN THE EVENT that the person being evicted (like this nutsack) become violent. This is not a bank or court issue. This is about a person who had nothing to lose and had so much anger he took it out on someone who was only DOING WHAT HE WAS ORDERED TO DO. Being out of work and angry and frustrated is NO excuse to kill ANYBODY. Period.
I was following orders isnt an excuse many people accept. And the cop was so serving the bank or the landlord, he sure as hell wasnt serving the guy he was tossing in the street.
Fact is, police should not be acting as muscle for banks and landlords.
Freedom, You have some excellent points. Very well said.
Dude, what part of "protecting the community" was this now dead cop serving by serving and eviction notice?
I stand by my original post!
"Freedom, You have some excellent points. Very well said."
Really? You must have a Magic Monitor. One that only shows you what you want to see.
This clown's actions are being excused by some because he was "defending" his home? The police weren't there to execute him, he was being EVICTED.
Now we have two people dead. Two people who very well may have left behind a wife and children.
As for the owner of the building being rich, two things. One, owning a 4-plex apartment does not make anyone rich. This could be all the owner has. Or, he/she might be the owner of the L.A. Lakers among other things. But none of you know that. Two, being rich does not make you inherently evil nor responsible for others. And a truly rich person, owning this building along with other investments, may not even know anything about this attempted eviction; someone else manages it for him.
Laws exist for a reason. One of the biggest reasons is reflected in the opinions of some who have posted here. The opinion that they are always right, their interests supercede everyone else's, what THEY want is all that's important and the laws be damned.
This is how people like Hitler, Saddam Hussein, etc. come to power. Their interests outweigh anyone else's. Of course, this is an imperfect analogy. Hitler and Saddam were clearly more intelligent than the posters I'm refering to.
Most police officers do a great job but there are so many "Bullys with a Badge" it sets a bad example and people dwell on that. You can simply do your job without being a Dick.........
Kicking someone out into the street is not like giving someone a ticket. You render someone homeless, they often lose everything. All their belongings, personal momentos, heirlooms, etc. It can ruin their life. Not everyone is able to pick up the pieces. In this case, the guy obviously felt it was over, and might as well go out taking someone with him, thats how much he thought it was serious.
And we dont know the circumstances of his eviction do we. But considering what I know of the law, and the system, I suspect this poor guy got hosed, like thousands and thousands of others who have been rendered homeless by the greedy predatory banks. And dont get me started on greedy landlords and developers, and the manipulation of land to keep rents high...
@ jetjoky
The original statement was:
That now very dead cop was not protecting the community. Nobody said laws were not broken. No body said the guy should get to live in the appartment for free.
I don't know the whole story of what happened, but the cop was not protecting the community while serving eviction papers.
I am too old to go into the street and would think things are pretty bad if it were to happen to me.
Yes, and not too mention that once this dude was homeless, what were his chances of finding gainful employment then? We know his credit rating had to be sterling too. There are supposed to be law that prohibit employers from looking at credit reports but I know some still do anyway. Try and prove it though. Same with age discrimination. While male over 45 is the most discriminated human being on the plannet. Take his job away, place to live, destroy his credit, and it gets tough....
So, who would you have serve eviction papers? Traditionally, they are served by law enforcement or other neutral process servers so as to avoid confrontations between the landlord and tenant, which DOES protect the community from violence in most cases. I am one of your despised "liberals" but have a silly notion that folks who refuse to or can't pay rent need to leave the property that does not belong to them. If it is a "can't" rather than a refusal, there should be a social safety net so they DON"T end up on the street. But that means people like the rest of us have to willingly pay taxes so that can happen! Which some, but not all, of us are willing to do.
Let me clear up the confusion about the fire. It was set by the police to burn the man alive. That's what the police did in Waco Texas in 1993, when they burned alive about 85 people in the Branch Davidian compound, including over a dozen children. Why lie about it?
Eddie, you are correct, and sadly the police enjoy those moments. That's usually why they sign up. The FBI in Waco thought they were due some "payback" and then promptly murdered several innocent children
When the blaze started. That was my first thought. Tear gas attempt failed. Flash bang failed. Wait him out failed. There were three people there to serve out the eviction. Two Officers and a Locksmith.Two of the three were shot dead on the spot. The second officer took cover. Which tells me the suspect could shoot very well. Reports also came in that he carried assault rifles and military gear.
I don't think they wanted to enter period. The FBI even brought out the works on this. I think they already knew by the time they got there who they were dealing with. With the amount of surrounding counties officers showing up as well. Multiple swat teams from other Counties And the FBI there to.
Eddie, yeah that's what cops do they burn down entire apt. complexes to evict someone,check please!
As usual the media tells the story the way the police want it to be told. More misimformation than truth. I live here and I watched and listened to what was happening. Here is the truth they aren't sharing with the media.
1) The police were not there to serve this guy with an eviction notice. They had brought a locksmith with them and he was in the process of drilling out the lock on the front door when he was shot from inside the apartment. The officer standing with him began to retreat while returning fire and was hit while moving away from the door. His female partner had rolled her ankle and had taken cover behind a bush next to a wall of the building. Nobody, including the neighbors knows who was doing the shooting.
2) This street has seen a rise in drive by shootings and sometime last month someone walked up to an apartment and shot the guy inside through the front window while he was watching TV. Many of the residents have weapons to protect their families. The fact that this subject was armed and ready to defend himself surprises no one except the police. He had surveilance cameras which he installed, however they could not have been working because the power had been turned off at the beginning of the month.
3) More than 100 police from the area surrounded the house and evacuated most of the residents on that street because they feared the man may have explosives and an arsenal of weapons inside based on information they had recieved from the landlord over the phone. Again, nobody had seen the suspect or any type of explosives. The photo headlining this story was taken while swat was removing lady and her three children who lived in unit 3 above the suspects apartment which was #1, a downstairs apartment.
4) The police continued to shoot both tear gas and flash bang devices through the windows which they had broken out with bean bag rounds at the same time they shot out the inoperable surveillance cameras.
5) This whole incedent began at approx. 11:00 am. at approx. 9:30 six swat team members were seen finally entering the downstairs apartment. Approx. 3-4 minutes later they exited the apartment alone. Shortly after exiting smoke could be seen billowing out of more than 1 of the broken out windows. Less than 5 minutes later then entire building was engulfed in flames and the fire dept. that was on scene all day was not allowed to attempt to extinguish the fire since the building was not secured and they feared explosions.
6) The fire department could be seen dousing the buildings next to this unit to keep them from becoming ingulfed as well. They continued this until the entire fourplex had collapsed and burned itself out.
7) At approx. 02:00 am the police said that the fire was exstiguished and that they could not say if the suspect was inside until they had entered and searched what was left. At approx. 07:30 am the sherriff claimed that they were pretty certain that the suspect had perished in the fire which he said could have been caused by one of the 100+ incindiary devices they had shot into the building over the course of the 14 hour standoff.
OK, Bull@!$%#!!! Like I said, I live here and pay taxes in this county. This was one giant waste of time and resources. The fire was set and allowed to burn to cover up the incompetence of this counties sherriff. All these different swat teams surrounding this apartment and a helicopter circling over head for over 12 hours and the apartment turns out to be empty. So they burn the thing down just to save face and they first claimed that the suspect barricaded inside had lit the fire himself. That story got changed when word got out that someone had seen the six officers enter the apartment prior to it burning. It has been evident for years that the sherriffs office is corrupt at the top so it's no surprise to me how this turned out. It's gotten to the point that the police in Mexico come here for training. Except that now Mexico probably has more clean cops than this county. Lets hurry and get this swept under that rug so we can start building a new pile of dirt. Some took a bite out of crime yesterday and got a 12 hour headstart. Nobody knows who or what that person looks like but some here in Calimexico have named him Scott Free.
Better get use to it. There never will be " . . . sufficient resources . . ." to protect any community unless you are a mind reader. Sad.
He probably thought they were there to enforce obama's NDAA against him and stood his ground.
Yeah, 7.62, I'm sure that's exactly what it was. By the way, I'm assuming you are referring to the section dealing with indefinite detention. Read up on it. It is not what Obama's detractors say it is. The Udall Amendment which worked against the expansion of indefinite detention was rejected largely by Republicans. Obama included a signing statement (not a big fan of signing statements, but I agree with this one):
"Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation. My Administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law."
But, hey, any news story is a good excuse to blame Obama, huh?
Well? Which is it?
Maybe they could post those eviction notices on the front door of their homes while they are away.
If they don't comply by a certain time then you lock them out of their house while they are away.
Might get a little costly don't you think? People watching a house for people to leave? A notice would probably be tossed on the ground after/if it was read. Chalk up one more sad story.
How much do you suppose it cost once those 100+ officers, all that SWAT team apparatus, fire trucks, fireman, FBI, and EMT crews showed up?
A couple of guys watching the door, the man leaves, the let themselves in with the landlord supplied key and change the lock. The appartment does not burn, the SWAT team stays where they should never leave, FBI can get after bank robbers, and EMT can rescue heart attack victims.
Better all the way around to find a better way than confronting a man who is pissed off and has nothing left to lose.
Some people only leave if forced to. And even then sometimes they resist.
Hire a temporary laborer.
All that destruction from one unstable person.
All this over an eviction? Since when did evictions require the presence of the FBI?
Since the person being evicted opens fire and immediately kills two, wounds another and apparently was not finished.
SWAT, FBI, "100's" of cops, etc. weren't there until this deranged guy started killing people.
Get a friggin' clue.
I'm afraid a clue is one thing missing in this story.
Still no federal crime there, joky.
were any of the suspects trayvons if so look out rev and rev coming to your town
Dude,
LOL!
Yes, LOL.
Someone needs to start proof reading these articles.
Guess this dude thought he was entitled to free rent.
I have had that debate with myself for years. I have come to the conclusion that if being a policeman was the last job on earth, I guess I would just have to starve to death. You could not pay me enough to be a policeman.
There are some good ones but they are far and few between. The only difference between a hardened criminal and a policeman is the badge
Switchblade, I agree with your statement completely!! That badge apparently gives police officers the right to lie, steal, and kill without reprecussions. I have long said that "to protect and serve" meant to protect and serve the ones dressed in blue, or else it is f*ck you. The police officers lie in court (perjury, for anyone else), steal (claiming that they are confiscating, but then it does not show up or gets lost in "evidence"), and kill innocent people every day! Does anyone expect them to get charged with arson for setting this fire with their flashbangs? Some of you comment that he should have paid his rent. Well, what about the other families the police have displaced, who did pay their rent? Apparently, there are many of you out there who have never been targeted or harassed by police officers or are naively unaware of how much they abuse their powers!
hey how many times you been busted for being innocent ? dont give us the crap your being targeted if you keep yourself away from those who would taint you and you will have no problems- BTW I am a retired cop
@ anative5
Check this story out:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/waitress-12000-tip-back-police/story?id=16087809
This waitress gets a $12,000 tip. She thinks someone left it by mistake. Cops take it. Said she could have it back after 60 days. Then 90 days. Then they told her the money was drug money and the money had a smell of marjuana on it. She has to sue the police department to get the money back....what a load of crap!
What ya think about that, odb2?
I never met an honest cop. One will lie the other one will swear to it.
I got stoped one day by a cop. He said how much you had to drink. I said none. I smell alcohol. I told him agian that I had not had anything to drink. He said, "maybe you spilled some on your cloths (I was wearing a sport jacket, shirt and tie). I said, "I am going to tell you one more time, I have had nothing to drink." I then said, "Perhaps you are the town drunk by night and cop by day. Maybe you spilled alcohol on your uniform." That really pissed him off... but he let me go...
Odb2, I have never been busted! That's probably what irks them so much! They keep harassing me and my family, but they have not been able to entrap me or find something they can reasonably accuse me of. By now, they know I will go to a lawyer & I know my rights! They don't like me because I refuse to be intimidated by them!!!
"Oooh...! Oooh...! The cops are out to get me! Make them get out of my head! Oooh...! Oooh...!"
anative and why would they want to harass you? I feel as though you're leaving something out of your story.
Cops harrass everyone young. Perhaps if you were being stopped everywhere you go, while they rifle your pockets, because they smell something that isnt there, you would understand. Im going to guess you are older guys who remember how it was. Well how it was, doesnt exist any more. Cops act like the Gestapo nowadays. And you will hear that from every young person you ask. Try it.
@ jetjoky
yeah, must be nice to be part of the Good Ol' boys club, the Thin Blue Line, or Fraternity of Blue fart eaters.....
However, if your name is Amadou Diallo, it is not so funny. You are trying to get into your appartment and 4 cops come up behind you and you turn to show your wallet with ID in it, and they shoot you 41 times. You even have bullets that passed through the bottoms of your feet cus you are already deat from the first 10 that hit you.
The the 'fart eaters' get on the witness stand and give fake tears, "Amadou, please don't die...." and the foreskinned face judge rules it a justifiable homicide....way to go boys....
just think if all the nighbors had had a gun then we could have a old fashion melee lots of blood and funerals- this is what the NRA stands for everybody stnd their ground right or wrong lets just kill someone
nah..... Cops are the only ones who get away with shooting people and do all the bloodletting.
Check out this story:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/11/ex-new-orleans-cop-gets-20-months-for-lying-about-shooting-after-katrina/
Dirt bags...they should all hang by their nuts.....
Probably another person with the entitlement mentality. He thought he was entitled to live free in the apartment.
What about the other families who lost their homes because of these police tactics? They apparently paid their rent!
@Letusreason, Just maybe we should have some kind of special housing for our Veterans/Military men and women when they get home.
I think this is the least that their Country could do for them, after they have giving so much to the Country.
Well wont have to worry about anyone living in that house anymore !!!