Poll: Most Amercians support NRA, right to protect self, but also a few gun limits

Most Americans support the right to use deadly force to protect themselves -- even in public places -- and have a favorable view of the National Rifle Association, the main gun-lobby group, a Reuters/Ipsos poll showed.

However, there was also strong support from respondents for background checks as well as limiting the sale of automatic weapons and keeping guns out of churches, stores and workplaces.


The online survey showed that 68 percent, or two out of three respondents, had a favorable opinion of the NRA, which starts its annual convention in St. Louis, Missouri, on Friday.

Eighty-two percent of Republicans saw the gun lobbying group in a positive light as well as 55 percent of Democrats, findings that run counter to the perception of Democrats as anti-NRA.

Most of the 1,922 people surveyed nationwide from April Monday through Thursday said they supported laws that allow Americans to use deadly force to protect themselves from danger in their own home or in a public place.

"Americans do hold to this idea that people should be allowed to defend themselves and using deadly force is fine, in those circumstances," said pollster Chris Jackson. "In the theoretical ... there's a certain tolerance of vigilantism."

The poll was conducted amid a nationwide debate over gun rights and race after the Florida shooting of an unarmed black teenager, Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman, a neighborhood crime watch volunteer who is white and Hispanic.

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The poll results were welcomed by the NRA, which is one of the most powerful lobby groups in the country and regularly clashes with anti-gun groups and often with Democrats as it seeks to protect and expand gun rights across the United States.

"Regardless of how others try to distort our position, the general public knows where we stand," said NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam. "It shows the failure of the continuing efforts of many to try and discredit the National Rifle Association."

Mitt Romney, the likely Republican presidential nominee, spoke to the convention on Friday, vowing to reverse what he calls the restrictive gun policies of President Barack Obama's administration.

Romney sticks to broad attack on Obama in NRA speech

"We need a president who will stand up for the rights of hunters, sportsmen, and those seeking to protect their homes and their families," he said. "President Obama has not. I will."

Eighty-seven percent of respondents -- with high numbers among both Republicans and Democrats -- supported the use of deadly force to protect themselves from danger in their home.

Two-thirds said they backed laws permitting the use of deadly force to protect themselves in public.

See the poll findings

Gun restrictions needed, most say
According to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, nearly 100,000 people are shot every year in the United States in murders, suicides, accidents or police intervention.

Government statistics show 31,347 people died in the United States in 2009 from gunshots, including 11,493 in homicides.

Ninety-one percent of those who responded to the survey agreed on the need for background checks before a firearm can be sold. Only 6 percent said they thought gun ownership should require no, or very few restrictions.

Nearly three-quarters of respondents said they supported limiting the sale of automatic weapons, and 62 percent oppose bringing firearms into churches, workplaces or stores.

"A fairly large number of Americans support strong regulation, or at least moderate regulation of gun ownership," said Jackson. "Which is sort of counter to the narrative you often hear that legislators can't touch our guns or you'll have to pay."

Nearly half of those surveyed felt crime rates were rising where they lived - even though FBI statistics show that violent crime has declined for the past 4 1/2 years.

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"People's perception of crime always over-represents reality," said Jackson. "I think that indicates the mind frame that the American public is in - there's always a constant low-level worrying about street crime."

As a result, 85 percent of those polled said they did not believe police could stop all crime and 77 percent felt regular people had to "step up" to help prevent crime from happening.

The survey included 650 Republicans, 752 Democrats and 520 independents. The precision of the Reuters/Ipsos online poll is measured using a credibility interval and this poll has a credibility interval of plus or minus 2.6 percentage points for all respondents.

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Whether or not one considers the Second Amendment their basis for believing in the right to own and "bear" arms and whether or not the issue is defending one's family or preparing to fight government oppression, it is a fundamental right for Americans to own and carry weapons under ordinary circumstances and with certain necessary restrictions. The current administration has been very friendly to gun enthusiasts because Obama has no problem with non-violent gun owners he has a commanding grasp of the Constitution and he knows what all good politicians knows. But, the truth is that the NRA has used an inordinate amount of money, influence and corrupt power to con the public and to turn this into a political battle that should never have become political. The carnage that we have seen and the death of phenomenal numbers of innocent children and family members most often with family owned weapons and the deaths of multiple people in mass murders by maniacs proves conclusively that limits, restrictions and strict laws are essential. The NRA has opposed all reasonable laws and restrictions solely because of greed and extremism. The public has been hoodwinked into thinking that their rights are threatened, when in fact their safety and the rights of innocent victims are what have been threatened. This country has a long and sordid history of gun violence dating back to the beginning and the "wild, wild west". There is nothing glamorous or glorious about death and destruction, however. It's tiem to decide whether or not we want to be civilized and live in the 21st century, or whether we are going to live live backward and paranoid woodsmen who have little regard for the sancity of life.

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Reply#184 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:59 AM EDT

So true. I would empasize the following - "The NRA has opposed all reasonable laws and restrictions solely because of greed ...". I believe it is almost entirely about money, and the remainder is about excercising power. The "slippery slope" arguement has no facts nor data to support it. A truly patriotic organization would wholeheartedly support all forms of gun safety regulation, not just the "safety" related to the mechanical operation of the tool.

    #184.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:14 PM EDT

    NRA is NOT apposed to ALL reasonable laws and restrictions as you say they are. Emphasis on the word REASONABLE some laws and restrictions are not. OK Fire Away with anti gun rhetoric.

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    #184.2 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:46 PM EDT
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    I don't trust polls. Especially one from a Liberal MSN.

    Information about any poll and complete viewable documentation of the poll, should be made available, along with it's posting.

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    Reply#185 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:00 PM EDT

    stymie222

    you might want to go back and actually read it. It was a Rueters/lpsos (? haven't the foggiest idea what that is) poll... NOT MSN.

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    #185.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:27 PM EDT
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    This poll is from an incredibly small base of individuals. I don't see how Reuters can claim it if reflective of American opinions, as they proclaim. Seems to me they are jumping the gun so to speak.

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    Reply#186 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:00 PM EDT

    Most polls are very small numerically, but the results are surprisingly close regardless of the numbers polled in all polls.

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    #186.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:28 PM EDT
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    We don't need more---or less, we need to enforce what is already on the books. If we can't do that then more laws won't do us much good anyway. All that said NO amount of regulation is going to stop someone who has it in their mind to violate the law. Understand that in most of these high profile cases the shooter(s) have no regard for the law in the first place, no matter how many are passed it won't change that. We need to take the laws that we have and enforce them to the fullest. We should also remember that no matter what we do that things will happen we can't ever control--a formerly sane person will have some event that will cause them to snap or some other such thing. Gun deaths are tragic (any violent death is for that matter) but personally I'll take my chances in a free and armed society than the alternative any day.

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    Reply#187 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:02 PM EDT

    The curent gun laws are not sufficient to protect individuals from people who will commit crimes any way. And some will as you say. I believe if we make it much harder for those with criminal intent to obtain guns and ammunition, we will see a reduction in gun violence over time. It seems in some states, legislators are very willing to make it harder to vote than to own a gun. Why is this when there is very little evidence of voter fraud in this country and there is a mountain of evidence in every state regarding gun violence?

      #187.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:20 PM EDT

      Hammer60

      ALL the laws this country currently has in place have not and never will stop the CRIMINAL from perpetrating whatever act they desire. They ARE called criminals for a reason. And to go one step further, they even call some criminals "career criminals".... so obviously they have no respect for the law, or you or me for that matter.

      Here's a link to another MSNBC story currently posted.... it's about the killing of three Yemeni store workers in North Carolina. I guess they didn't realize murder was against the law.

      http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/13/11188105-suspects-in-triple-murder-robbery-were-fresh-from-prison?lite

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      #187.2 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:36 PM EDT
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      "I support ones right to own guns for hunting and self defense. I do not support the right to allow someone to carry a concelled weapon (unless required by a persons job, i.e. the police)." How the hell can I defend myself if I am outside my home against multiple attackers or weapon producing thugs without a concealed weapon? Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

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      Reply#188 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:03 PM EDT

      The legaly licensed concealed carriers are not the ones you need to be concerned with. They are law abiding citizens that have no desire whatsoever to violate you in any way. Actually it's just the opposite, they will protect you when it comes right down to it, if they can. It's the illegal concealed carry of criminals that you need to be concerned with, they don't obey the the law, hence the moniker "criminals". They are not carrying for protection or defense, they are carrying for offensive purposes and could care less about any laws. That's exactly why we law abiding, legally licensed citizens feel the need to arm ourselves, to be prepared for them when they decide to strike. Believe me when I say that if all the criminals out there knew that all the rest of us were unarmed with no way to fight back we would not be able to come out from behind locked doors in broad daylight , much less after dark. I know because I have had to unholster mine on two different occasions and had I not had it in one of those instances I seriously doubt that I would be writing this right now.

        #188.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:44 PM EDT
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        If the NRA was filled with the angry, shoot everyone, gun nuts that the left wing loves to pretend that the NRA is filled with, then there wouldn't be a left wing in this country.

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        Reply#189 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:06 PM EDT

        Well said Ian, I am an INDEPENDENT "in the center."

        I believe in free market capitalism.... but NOT right wing Greed!!!!!

        I believe in some liberal concepts.... but NOT handing over our guns that keep us FREE.

        Why can't the Right Wing religious zealots "share some of the wealth (fair pay)?"

        Why can't left wing liberals forget about gun bans?

        Ian is correct............ "ALL OF US FREE" because we are armed to the teeth and will allow NO ONE to take that away. I will fight to the DEATH for my right to bear arms.

          #189.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:36 PM EDT

          Just because Independents and Democrats do not belong to the radical NRA or militias does not mean they do not own guns or know how to use them against criminals. The difference between NRA members and USA Citizens is this......We do not find a need to belong to a gun lobbying group associated with radical militias, kkk, white supremies or redneck gun carrying, gun waving group. Too me it just shows a sign of weakness and a little man complex.

            #189.2 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:03 PM EDT
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            My post was deleted off ...nothing even bad about it or derogatory. Tells you something about america. In china, tienamin square cant be found on the internet. All traces deleted. The chinese people don't know anything.

              Reply#190 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:06 PM EDT

              This story about most people favoring the gun laws is only somewhat correct' they tried to slant it buy saying semiautomatics are in disfavor when nothing of the sort comes close - most gun shops can't keep a high capacity semiautomatic on the shelf because everybody wants them - so' this poll is somewhat false and slanted in it's bias against paramilitary and high capacity firearms.

              It's called inserting poison into the candy bar' so you wont taste it when you swallow it.

              C'mon you fuc*ing dumbass reporter did you really think you could slip you're anti-gun bullshi* comment up our asse$ without us seeing it for what it is?

                Reply#191 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:07 PM EDT

                MSNBC is amazing. This article again refers to Zimmerman as a "white hispanic". As if skin color had anything to do with what happened. Stop trying to create a racist incident out of the tragic death of a teenager. Have you ever written an article describing someone as a black hispanic? How about a puerto rican jew? I mean seriously, how desperate are you to try and perpetuate a racist society? Does it improve your readership? Does it comfort you to try and convince people that "white hispanics" are out hunting young black men? How about calling someone a light skinned black? Why don't we over define people by the degree of melanin in thier skin. Can we have a separate category for dark black on light black crime? The death of Trayvon was horrible. As a father to 2 young boys I can't even imagine the horror his parents are living through - but I can't help but think that it is news outlets and reverends who can buy their credentials who are using the death of this boy for their own ends.

                The only racial tension in this society is the tension perpetuated by so called "black leaders" who like to claim that whites rejoice in the death of black children. It isn't true. While we will always have racists in this country, both black, white, asian and other, the overwhelming majority of americans don't care who their neighbors are as long as the person across the street or next door takes care of their property, respects each persons privacy and quiet enjoyment and maybe waves good morning on the way to work.

                It is appalling to hear story after story about the black panthers putting bounties on George Zimmermans head or touting an upcoming race war and how white blood needs to be shed - just as appalling as hearing about those 2 idiots in Kansas who killed african americans because their family member was murdered a year ago.

                As a race, humans will never be completely free from racism - but as a country the US is the best country in the world to be black, white, asian, indian or whatever combination you may like and that's a fact.

                Every murder between races isn't racist just the same as every murder between people of the same race is tragic. The far greater tragedy is when people, whether out of despair or misguidance, use the death of a boy to further their own goals.

                I hope Trayvon's family finds peace and justice - unhampered by political pressure from a justice department that refuses to investigate Black Panther voting intimidation caught on video - and that George Zimmermans fate is found justly, by a jury of his peers interested only in finding the truth and applying the law according to the facts that night and not according to someone's political agenda.

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                Reply#192 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:09 PM EDT

                The COMMUNIST MANIFESTO states that you "MUST" disarm a nation if you want to enslave them.

                KEEP YOUR GUNS FOLKS. You are screwed without them.

                Why are police departments around the country receiving heavily armored ASSAULT VEHICLES. I saw one in the little town of Lamar, Colorado... zip code 81052!!! Why do they need an assault vehicle?

                Recent gun violence is a drop in the bucket compared to a dictatorship. Think it couldn't happen here??? You are a 1st Class Fool if you think it can't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......... Period....... End of Story.

                You think your wealthy (or well off) fellow Americans won't turn against you??? They already have!!!

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                Reply#193 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:26 PM EDT

                13dev---Hogwash. More looney crap from the fringe.

                  #193.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:37 PM EDT

                  Typical of anyone that can't counter with a valid, rational argument.... just label the person as crazy, and nutjob or a lunatic.

                  While his post might read as "black helicopter" to you, it is worth pointing out that the Nazis were pretty successful with first requiring the registration of all guns, and then later using that registration to collect all the guns from its citizens because "they weren't necessary" and the "government would protect them". Obviously it's a big leap to go from United States to the Nazis, but ignoring history has dire consequences.

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                  #193.2 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:56 PM EDT

                  Your communist belong to the NRA. Wake up.

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                  #193.3 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:06 PM EDT
                  Comment author avatarWilliam Watsonvia Facebook

                  actually its true. the us govt is selling surplus military hardware to local and state law enforcement.

                  surplus military hardware law enforcement <-- google those words and you pull up millions of links, many from state and local governments commenting to the press on their recently acquired military hardware.

                  drones for observation, robots, armored vehicles, even tanks are up for grabs.

                    #193.4 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:53 PM EDT
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                    If you believe anything the lamestream media says, this result was totally unexpected. The media has portrayed the American citizen as gun-hating Nazis, and nothing could be further from the truth. Just because you sit at an anchor desk and piss your pants every time you hear the word "gun", doesn't mean the rest of us are pathetic cowards.

                      Reply#194 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:29 PM EDT

                      I own a couple of NORMAL hunting guns and have no problem with other citizens having guns as long as their not screwballs or thugs. I think the ownership of machine-guns, 50 cal sniper rifles, AK47s and the like are going too far though. Why in the world would anybody want to own a killer weapon like those, bragging rights or what? Those are the weapons of choice of the bad guys in a lot of cases. The AK47 arms the drug cartels and is a very nasty weapon designed for one purpose and one purpose only, to kill human beings. And they have murdered thousands with that gun. The assault weapon ban made a lot of sense to the vast majority of people but as usual not to the NRA and it's followers. Lets not go back to the wild west and start packing guns everywhere we go this isn't 1880 anymore. It's scary enough on the street now without every Tom Dick and Harry walking by with a gun strapped to their waist.

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                      Reply#195 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:31 PM EDT

                      Problem being on that one was Semi Automatic guns were tried be included as what many Hunting Rifles are.

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                      #195.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:49 PM EDT
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                      As a gun owner and firearms instructor the last 25 years, i think the NRA is a joke. In my opinion they are liars and thieves in that they steal the truth. They represent nothing more than a political arm and are backed by some pretty disgusting people. They never give a bad assessment of a gun manufacturer, nor do their magazine selling friends. The NRA is one of the main reasons for the high cost of guns and ammo. These people cry about taxes and then raise the cost of hunting and target shooting. They want to continue in their high maintenance living styles by keeping everyone scared. Their salaries, medical bills, and pensions are great compared with the common people. They lie and spin like the politicians they actually are. TO HELL WITH TE NRA!

                        Reply#196 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:33 PM EDT

                        tactical45...

                        While you might not like the NRA, you should thank them for continually fighting the laws which would determine whether or not YOU or I would be allowed to keep our firearms.

                        And from your vitriolic statements, I will surmise you are as far removed from firearms as is the Brady Campaign. Do you have your membership card with them handy?

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                        #196.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:40 PM EDT

                        I agree with you "tac," But without a strong political coalition it is much more possible that your firearms could be confiscated.

                        Without the NRA and other Pro-Gun organizations what are you going to do when they come for your firearms????????????

                        Remember this..... when the cost of gasoline goes up, the freeways run smooth and the air is cleaner.

                        Their is a cost to everything. I guess it is called Pay to Play.... like the kids are having to do in schools now.

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                        #196.2 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:43 PM EDT

                        XD,... Good Post my friend. I was trying to be nice the ranting "tac" guy. You made the point quite clear for the poor fellow.

                        Some people just want to be sheep I guess.

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                        #196.3 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:56 PM EDT

                        XDm9mm--Horse crap again. I am one that no man will take my paid for weapon while i still breath. And, i approved of the NRA many years ago. But, they have turned into liars and money grabbers. XD i say again, that you are a know it all and a name calleer only. YOU have little to offer an actual gunner such as those like me. YOU see, we have hunted and used weapons all our lives. We are not scared and make up our minds without help from the many loudmouths out there. I am now retired and 64 year old vet. You dare question me as a brady supporter. You sir are a child with a big mouth and a over charged ego.

                          #196.4 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:59 PM EDT

                          13Dev---And i agree with you that we must be vigil. It is our duty. However, as banks and corporations do, some outfits get to big for there own good and ours. Such is the NRA. There are fools out there who wish to take all firearms, but they are a very small group. There are fringes on any issue..

                            #196.5 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:03 PM EDT
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                            Kind of mis-leading when the words "most Americans' are used in the headline and the poll only represents a sample of 1,922 Americans online. In other words, it is b.s. propaganda from a mainstream news site. I read another poll that suggested "most Americans" only read and write at an eighth grade level. Certainly hope that isn't true either.

                              Reply#197 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:34 PM EDT

                              the Florida shooting of an unarmed black teenager, Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman, a neighborhood crime watch volunteer who is white and Hispanic.

                              Wow, I did not know that Trayvon did not have any arms. Well then we now know he could not have hit Zimmerman could he?

                                Reply#198 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:35 PM EDT

                                If you're one of the Americans that is favorable to the NRA, make no mistake about their agenda. At least be clear on their mission so you're not just another useful idiot for the gun lobby.

                                They are soley in business to look out for the interests of manufacturers, wholesalers and retailers of deadly weapons (including the defense industry). They don't give a good sh*t about anything else.

                                The second amendment is only important to them insofar as it pertains to more and more gun and ammo sales. If they could get away with sending middle school kids out in the morning armed with AK's, they would do it in a heartbeat. To them, no gun regulation is reasonable.

                                Currently, their efforts to eliminate any barriers to gun ownership have resulted in us living in a country where any homicidal lunatic can easily buy any number of the most lethal weapons on earth. Thanks for that, NRA. If they were able to change the law, there would be no background checks at all.

                                They have Congress totally intimidated by threatening to defeat at the polls any member of Congress that stands in their way. And, that strategy is working beautifully for them. No one--not even Democrats--is standing up for disarming this crazy place.

                                My favorite NRA argument is how we all need access to weapons so we can protect ourselves from the bad guys. In the last two weeks there were at least four stories of street slaughters that were commited by--not bad guys, mind you--but people (mostly men, of course) described by neighbors and friends as "loving and peaceful members of their communities" just the day before they blew away complete strangers in cold blood at a Cracker Barrel, school, streets of Tulsa, Sanford (did I miss any?). So comrades, want to worry about someone that's out to get you? How about that guy in the Hawaiian shirt mowing the lawn across the street right now.

                                You know, if I wanted to live in a chaotic and lawless, armed state where people are murdered at random, I'd move to Somalia. Oh, wait!, no need to leave, that's what the NRA is working on to create right here in the US.

                                Word.

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                                Reply#199 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:36 PM EDT

                                Well Bob, if I were you I would go and buy a gun you can handle comfotably. I mean with 80% Republican, and 55% Democrats in favor of gun ownership I would not think anything is going to change anytime soon.

                                Word.

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                                #199.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:44 PM EDT

                                Mr. Bob Dobolina--As a FORMER (20 years ago) member, i agree.

                                  #199.2 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:45 PM EDT

                                  Justmy53an---I agree.

                                    #199.3 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:47 PM EDT

                                    Larry-- Its not ownership of a gun that is at question. Its the horse manure spin and lies by the NRA. I own many guns and target daily. But, the bull hockey the NRA and its many business associates is about money more than ownership. These liars and politcal boys are feeding crap to the members.

                                      #199.4 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:51 PM EDT

                                      I must agree that the NRA has digressed into a money hungry group. There was a day and time they limited themselves to decent folks.

                                        #199.5 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:14 PM EDT

                                        Name any group, orginization, company, or anything else that has anything to do with humanity and money that hasn't turned into a free for all money grab in this country today.

                                          #199.6 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:13 PM EDT
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                                          I am an Independent conservative. I have no need to be a member of the NRA. I have attended gun shows but really do not approve of this way of selling guns, weapons or distributing propaganda. I do not like the type of people that attend gun shows, I do not approve of radical malitias and I do not like the redneck, hateful, bigot, racism associated with this group of people. If I want to purchase a gun for protection, hunting or sport. I will go to a licensed and repretable dealer, take a safety course, have a background check and conduct myself lawfully and responsibly. There is no need to pay to be a member of the NRA or to belong to a malitia and lobby club.

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                                          Reply#200 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:42 PM EDT

                                          Come on just because you don't like them does not mean everyone else doesn't like them. Heck, a gun club is like a knitting club. Both have dangerous items that can hurt you.

                                            #200.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:48 PM EDT

                                            Larry

                                            Hey, Nancy boy, tell me you're taking your medication every day...

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                                            #200.2 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:00 PM EDT

                                            OK 53, What are you going to do if law enforcement comes for your firearms after the Anti-Gun lobby has finally succeeded in banning guns in America?

                                            I guess you're going to "respectfully" hand it over to them........... Right???

                                            You ARE one of the sheep in this country who is begging to be controlled. Don't worry though, none of that will happen to you because ALL OF THOSE OBNOXIOUS PEOPLE that you hate will NOT allow this to happen.

                                            But you can go on with your "belly-aching" and sniveling....... thinking that your post is a good one.

                                            Great post Larry - 314720................. You nailed it.

                                              #200.3 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:01 PM EDT

                                              You got that right, I agree with Justmy53andme 100%. No gun controls means, OUT OF CONTROL! The NRA represents how a bunch of extremists can let things spin out of control and go too far, all for their own monetary benefit.

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                                              #200.4 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:05 PM EDT

                                              Ohhh Bob the Punk you are so tough sitting behind a keyboard. Keep smoking your geef boy, and buy the world a coke. Then go vote for your messiah Obama Lama Ding Dong.

                                                #200.5 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:07 PM EDT

                                                Hey Bob Dodolina, Larry's got it right. You know that or you wouldn't have resorted to name calling and trying to demean someone.

                                                Larry's right (he used logic) ......... You're WRONG (used negative garbage)............ Even those who support you now realize you are NOT credible.

                                                  #200.6 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:12 PM EDT

                                                  13dev. Why do you think that law enforcement will take away a lawful citizen's gun. This paranoia is coming from people who probably should not own a gun. If you have a criminal background, have been documented with an anger problem, have mental health issues and have slipped through the cracks and own a gun then I do hope law enforcement come and take your gun away. Not all citizens are qualified or lawful to own a gun and be trusted. Just like some people cannot be trusted to drive a car. Just like some people cannot drink alcohol. Some people are just too unstable with deadly weapons.

                                                    #200.7 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:14 PM EDT
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                                                    Most support the NRA??? I did not know that owning a gun automatically enrolled one into the NRA. I guess I and my three generations before that handed down the rifle from one generation to the next owe a lot of back dues for we did not know we were members and supported their cause.

                                                      Reply#201 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:46 PM EDT

                                                      Those of you who live by the gun, should be prepared to die by the gun. And no, I am not against gun ownership for the purpose of hunting or even home protection. However, legions of untrained gun carrying paranoid people who are ready to start blasting at anybody who looks like a possible threat, puts our freedom as Americans at risk.

                                                      People carry guns say they do so to protect property and life. People have fire sprinkler sysems installed in their homes to protect property and life.

                                                      No loss of life has ever happened due to fire in a building with a sprinkler system installed. People have been shot while holding their own guns in their hands.

                                                      If you want to be safe, start by protecting your home from fire. Your chances of being killed in a fire are far greater than being shot at the library. That is of course, unless you are a drug dealer.

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                                                      Reply#202 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:47 PM EDT

                                                      Of course you do realize that without a gun you may be at the bank at lunchtime and get offed by a criminal using a gun to rob the bank. How many people especially women are abducted at gun point and raped and murdered? Believe me, it is not by registered gun owners. Owning a gun is an American right and a necessity. Everyone decides what is best for them in a free country.

                                                        #202.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:03 PM EDT

                                                        "No loss of life has ever happened due to fire in a building with a sprinkler system installed."

                                                        Now that is a pretty bold claim... can you link the article that has the stats to prove this? And what is wrong with having a fire suppression system AND a gun? Being prepared is a pretty common sense thing.

                                                        "However, legions of untrained gun carrying paranoid people who are ready to start blasting at anybody who looks like a possible threat"

                                                        Wow... Who is the paranoid one here? .008% of our population was murdered last year with a gun... hardly the legions of crazy gun-toting people ready to blast away....

                                                        "puts our freedom as Americans at risk."

                                                        Yet nothing about our freedom as Americans as spelled out in the Constitution?

                                                          #202.2 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:04 PM EDT

                                                          Larry Does your bank know you are carrying a gun into their lobby? How many people have you saved from harm with your gun?

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                                                          #202.3 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:06 PM EDT

                                                          erock, You have amazing copy and paste skills.

                                                            #202.4 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:11 PM EDT
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                                                            The NRA is nothing more than a lobbying group of hateful, bigot, old white men. It is a side kick to radical militias, KKK, and white supremies. They should be ban from lobbying and public buildings.

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                                                            Reply#203 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:47 PM EDT

                                                            Justmy53

                                                            Feeling a bit grumpy are we ?

                                                            You comment is bigoted and hateful and mostly inaccurate !

                                                            Hope your day improves !

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                                                            #203.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:52 PM EDT

                                                            Just,

                                                            Hey putz.....More blacks in their communities have guns to PROTECT themselves than in WHITE communities.

                                                            Now, what was that about "hateful, bigoted, old white men"?

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                                                            #203.2 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:53 PM EDT

                                                            Do your research boys. The NRA conference was nothing but old white angry men. Their lobbyist in DC only care about creating paranoia and arming every unqualified person belonging to a militia. I do not believe a USA citizen has a need to give money to a gun lobbying organization with zero concern for background checks, safety or control of gun ownership.

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                                                            #203.3 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:20 PM EDT

                                                            And if fact that is true? After all the hateful racial threats, slurs and conduct coming from generational defective genes of gun swinging ignorant people than I would hope that ALL decent people would defend themself from narrow minded hate filled unlawful idiots carrying and swinging a gun around because they have a little man complex and are weak minded morons.

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                                                            #203.4 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:23 PM EDT

                                                            bernie, You are probably right. One of the black guys I work with had his apartment broken into while he was at work. He said,"they got my guns".

                                                            Isn't it weird that something that is acquired for self protection becomes the reason you become a crime target?

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                                                            #203.5 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:00 PM EDT
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                                                            Gun control has worked out well in Mexico , right ?

                                                            Even our government has helped supply illegal firearms to the criminals there !

                                                            When Australia enacted their gun ban home invasions went up 300 % !

                                                            In England most police officers are now armed and if you defend yourself against a home invasion YOU go to jail

                                                            Gun bans always turn everything upside down !

                                                            Criminals ignore all laws !

                                                            And finally , who here would trust our corrupt leaders in DC to not start HARD tyranny ?

                                                              Reply#204 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:50 PM EDT

                                                              True. Australia's suicide rate also actually increased after handguns were banned. West Australia is reconsidering gun ownership laws for homeowners in the midst of a home invasion epidemic.

                                                              A 70 yr-old man in the UK was convicted of murder after killing someone who attacked him with a knife in the middle of the night in his own home, primarily because he defended himself with a banned gun. The violent crime rate in the UK has passed the United States and rivals South Africa, considered to be a very dangerous place.

                                                              And yeah, Mexico is still the best example with some of the strictest gun laws around... the cartels in particular LOVE the fact that the citizens aren't armed.

                                                                #204.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:10 PM EDT
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                                                                So, the next time you left-wing lunatics talk about gun control..............Well............

                                                                  Reply#205 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:51 PM EDT

                                                                  OK 53, what are you going to do if law enforcement comes for your firearms after the Anti-Gun lobby has finally succeeded in banning guns in America?

                                                                  I guess you're going to "respectfully" hand it over to them........... Right???

                                                                  You ARE one of the sheep in this country who is begging to be controlled. Don't worry though, none of that will happen to you because ALL OF THOSE OBNOXIOUS PEOPLE that you hate will NOT allow this to happen.

                                                                  But you can go on with your "belly-aching" and sniveling....... thinking that your post is a good one.

                                                                    Reply#206 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:52 PM EDT

                                                                    Funny. No I have no need to be controled because I am a law abiding, taxpaying citizen, I do not need to belong to a gun lobbying organization. I hunt, fish, target shoot and have taken all safety courses. I have no need to wave my gun around, walk around public buildings with it or need to prove anything to anyone. My gun only comes out when I intend to use it, clean it. You sound very paranoid, unreasonable and possibly should be checked for mental health issues and anger management. This seems to be the type so concerned about gun laws. Why? because they would not qualify to own or be trusted with a deadly object.

                                                                      #206.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:39 PM EDT
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                                                                      With our Communist Muslim president OBAMA allowing the ATF to sell guns illegally, I think the only gun control we need is not allowing any politicians to control what we have. OBAMA only did this for more gun control by breaking the law. Why are our politicians allowed to break the law and not held accountable and prosecuted for what they did? OBAMA is worse than HITLER!!!!

                                                                        Reply#207 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:56 PM EDT

                                                                        JH...

                                                                        You've pretty much gone off the deep end.

                                                                        While I'm no fan of Obama by any stretch of the imagination, and I do agree that at least AG Holder and his minions did knowingly break the law, and have yet to be properly charged with those crimes, I cannot compare Obama to Hitler.

                                                                          #207.1 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:59 PM EDT

                                                                          jimmy hoff--YOU are just the reason many feel the need for backround checks. You and a gun. GEEEEZ

                                                                            #207.2 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:13 PM EDT

                                                                            Hoffa, Any sitting president (regardless of who it is) is still the President of the United States and the Commander in Chief of the entire US Military. He is advised daily by our "best and brightest" military minds.... who are usually right wing and conservative people (not all of them).

                                                                            For you to describe "ANY PRESIDENT" of this great country as "WORSE THAN HITLER," makes you an Anti-American traitor to me and pretty much everyone I know. Your garbage statement is protected by free speech and all Presidents (including Obama), the judiciary, the Senate, the House of Reps and the entire US Military.

                                                                            You can disagree with and call our President goofy names........ but "worse than Hitler????????"... who ordered the death of millions of unarmed human beings.

                                                                            YOU ARE A VERY PATHETIC OR VERY SICK PERSON.

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                                                                            #207.3 - Sat Apr 14, 2012 1:31 PM EDT

                                                                            Not only is he a sick and pathetic person, he personifies the reason I have a gun and carry.

                                                                              #207.4 - Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:12 PM EDT
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