namseer; nothing racist about dicks remarks; the three are repeat offender criminals, who murdered three people, for no reason other than their hatred , if the employees in the convenience store were black, they may have let them live; the black and whites of this country are fast sinking into a racial war, and everyone knows it, just refuse to admit it, since no one has yet come up with a solution to stop it, it will bring down our great Republic.

Where are rev al's and rev jessie's comments?

Hit the nail on the head there Dick....think Al and Jessie will show up to help them?

No Andi, the victims were not black. It clearly says they are from Yemen, therefore they're Arab.

The victims were from Yemen, the majority of whom are Arab.

As soon as they are convicted, they need to be HANGED within 48 hrs in public. They need to make every child in juvenile detention forced to watch this in person if they are within 50 miles, those farther away should be made to watch on very large screen hi def video so they see exactly what they are in for if they dont change.

Where will the protests begin for these shooters?

'...simply by seeing pictures of young African-American guys'

I'm in the Trayvon camp, but when I see these guys under the headline: "Suspects in triple-murder robbery were fresh from prison", it's not difficult to describe them as, to borrow your term, "less than human".

If rehab didn't work for these guys...I say, 'Get a rope!'

Reading through these comments, I see no one offering condolences for the families of the victims. These unfortunate men, one of whom was a minor, were gunned down in cold blood but yet very little is commented here about them except that a few have mentioned their birth country / ethnic background. I think most of us are in agreement that the killers should never see light of day ever again if convicted (due process) and if sentenced to the death penalty, doubtful that they will be missed by society in general.

That said, my condolences and Prayers to the families of the men who were so senselessly murdered.

Namseer you are the one talking about race and racism, Dick Dumas said nothing about it. And if we go just by the looks, I'd say the 2 first ones look kind of mean, and 3rd one just like an average guy.

some people are psychos, it doesn't matter about the skin color..just pray to God, or thank your Luck for NOT coming across these types of Creatures in Life..to be suddenly attacked by anyone, can be very, very frightful..U don't know the experience, until it happens to U..only then, U may realize the dilemma of the Victims......

tumbleweed......They are in jail for drug offences, whether is is just smoking or dealing.. whatever. Our jails are full of people who have hurt nobody. The real numbers are close to 80% non violent.

We have more people in jail than STALIN did. Free? my ass. Free to get arrested and strip searched by any cop that wants to have fun.

We were told that East Germany was a police state. Guess what? We now have a police state that has EVERY power the stasis did in East Germany. But not enough for people like you. you want to mind others peoples business for them. Between our phony war on terrorism and our war on drugs, we have succeeded in ONLY making the US a police state. There is NOTHING that our police cannot do that the stasis did.

Well I guess serving time doesn't do any good. If found guilty, need to be eye for an eye.

Al and Jesse would blame the guns.

There is something different the victims could have done ~ they could have had a sawed-off shotgun within easy reach.

There is a time to use deadly force in self-protection.

This killing in cold blood, heartless, souless killing. No matter the color of their skin or the victims, these animals took human lives without concern for the families, business, community or anyone else. may they rot in prison for the rest of their lives. Putting them to death would be showing mercy, let them sit there knowing they will never see freedom EVER again.

The records also reveal a history of repeat convictions for the third suspect, Willie Whitehead, 23, who had served time for offenses including robbery with a dangerous weapon and larceny dating back to 2004. He was released after serving time for his last conviction -- for possession of a weapon by a felon -- last August.

Offenses Dating back to 2004? I thought using a firearm while committing a robbery added ten years to your sentence. Add another ten for possesion of a firearm by a felon. Factor in priors.Factor in the time he was out on previous crimes and the time it took to try him and send him back to prison. Why was this guy out of prison already?

You dare call me a racist just because I said they look like they would help old ladies across the street?

Well then let me put it THIS way.

How many of you fathers would let your daughter go out with any of these guys if they rang your doorbell?

Or would you first insist on getting a "missing or wanted" after the first glance.

C,mon. Get real.

Or what would you do as a parent if you saw any one of them talking to your first grader in the school yard.

Smile and introduce them?

Or how many ladies would stop their car if driving on a lonely back country road and they beeped their horn to pull over?

Dangerous sleezy looking is dangerous sleezy looking. I dont care if you are white,black, green, yellow or chartruze. You are still dangerous and sleezy looking.

So put that in your con cob and have another slice of watermelon.

(both of which I like and I am white.)

These sweeties tried really hard and long to turn their lives around after they were released from prison!

I love Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. They are, and will remain, advocates for people who need a stronger voice on their side. But I love them mostly for the fact that they aggravate so many people who do not even begin to know where Sharpton and Jackson are coming from. Education is a wonderful thing. More people should try it!

Advocates for the people? You mean people like Tawanda Brawley? Sharpton and Jackson are opportunists who capitalize on the suffering on Blacks.

Give these three their speedy trials, throw the two repeat offenders into a tree shredder and charge the third as an adult and lock him away for life.

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I love Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. They are, and will remain, advocates for people who need a stronger voice on their side.

Let me rephrase that: They are, and will remain, advocates for BLACK people who need a stronger voice on their side.

And yeah I know where they are coming from, but it doesn't change the fact that they are both racists. Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, on the contrary, is not, he tells it like it is whether you are black or white or any race/color. God bless him, he is an honest man.

There is a certain portion of our population that are dangerous and are not going to be rehabilitated.

How do you know? Our prisons make no effort at "rehabilitation" and never did.

Does it really surprise you that a person who has grown up on the "mean streets" and ends up in prison where he lives for a decade in the most predatory conditions imaginable, comes out worse than when he went in?

Our prisons are barbaric. They are not for rehabilitation, but for punishment. Ever look at "animals" such as these three and wonder what mom and dad were like? Where and how did they live when they were 3-5-10-16? Right. These three have probably already been "punished" their entire lives, so you're surprised when even harsher punishment just makes them meaner? And since that didn't work, now we can kill them.

May as well. It's the American way.

saxon " the black and whites of this country are fast sinking into a racial war, and everyone knows it, just refuse to admit it"

It's sad that race relations seem to be worse now than in the last 50 years under our 'Post-racial President'.

I wonder if Obama's 'Class-Warfare' rhetoric has anything to do with it, since the word 'rich' is typically associated with 'Whites' and the 'poor' typically associated with people of color?

Perhaps using race in such a blatant way to get re-elected is having some unintended consequences.

These three guys are nothing but sociopathic predators. They feel they can do anything they want because, in their minds, no one but them matters. If they just were released from prison they are probably carrying a big chip on their shoulders too. They can not be rehabilitated, they can not be taught, they will always be dangerous to any person around them whether in prison or not. I don't like the death penalty, but in a case like this it seems to be the only thing that will ensure no future victims will cross their paths.

"Our prisons are barbaric. They are not for rehabilitation, but for punishment."

You may pick your prize from the top shelf.

Namseer needs to jump off the race train for a bit. Its getting to the point where you cant comment at all without others assuming that it is race related. We recently had an incident where a white man was at the bus stop with his son, across the street was a black man trying to rob a white lady. The white man went to assist the victim and was shot dead in front of his kid. Hear anybody screaming race here? Did Al and Jessie show up? Whites, blacks, and hispanics alike all want a piece of this dude.

I really believe that the po-lice have the wrong people. The three they have in the photos were just released from prison because they had been rehabilitated. Therefore they could not have done it. Somebody is just trying to blame a brutha.

AN EYE FOR AN EYE!

Patter123 -

If you think our prisons are barbaric, perhaps you need to tour some prisons in other countries. I grew up in a country where the people lined up outside every day to bring their incarcerated family members clean clothes and food, otherwise they didn't get any. The inmates slept as many to a mattress as could fit.. if they were lucky enough to get on a mattress at all, otherwise they slept on the floor. Prisoners in this country bitch because they don't get enough syrup with their pancakes.

Life is about the choices we make. No, we don't all have the same opportunities growing up, but we do all have the ability to choose how we want to live our lives. There are plenty of people from the "mean streets" who make the choice and, more importantly, put for the the effort not to remain there. It is possible to be poor and be law abiding. Prison should be about punishment. If anything, prisons should be MORE about punishment than they currently are. You go to prison because you chose to break the law. It isn't an educational opportunity. It isn't a chance at free counseling... free to the criminal, because the rest of us sure pay for it. You can't force someone to be rehabilitated; they have to want to change and it is pretty obvious that these three had no interest in changing. My personal opinion, and I'm sure some will see it as extremely harsh but oh well, is that after so many stays in prison for violent crimes, they should be put down like rabid dogs. At some point these people give up the right to exist in society.

Patter123.... Are YOU helping them rehabilitate? NO ONE HAS THE PARTRIDGE FAMILY WHEN THEY'RE GROWING UP! HELLO!!!!! But people do grow up knowing right from wrong and know that KILLING SOMEONE IS WRONG! Taking a life is wrong. So I don't want to hear the stupid enabling excuses as to WHY these people are monsters. Some people can't be rehabilitated. Do you realize how many SOCIOPATHS that are out there who do not care about you, your family, your friends....they only care about themselves and what THEY can gain. And there's no PILL to take to help SOCIOPATHS. PERPETUAL AMAZEMENT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!!!!! I'm tired of my taxes going to these worthless people. They get PAID while in prison for different jobs within the jail. STUPID. They get PlayStations and Televisions. And WE ARE PAYING FOR IT!!! If you murder or have any type of sexual offense, in my opinion you should be put down. I like knowing my family is safe. And my 4 years old son isn't going to get kidnapped and raped and murdered. Or when he gets to be 16, I'd like to know he isn't going to get shot by some dude who's excuse is that he "grew up on the mean streets". F*&% that. Find them guilty and put them down. And I'm sure someones going to think what ive said was horrible but would you want them as YOUR neighbor, are YOU willing to "help" them? I know I wouldnt...black, white, asian, hispanic whatever..... They know right from wrong.

I just spent ten years in prison for possession of LSD/w. I was in a medium II security prison. 50% of the prison population was there for drugs and/or drug related offenses, the rest were random. The average minimum time an inmate must be serving to be in this prison was 15 years and up. Many of the drug offenders were there doing mandatory sentences of 25 years because it was their third offense. I would see monsters, men who should never be released back into society, would have served their time, and be put back out to kill and steal and rape again. Why? Prison overcrowding, plain and simple. I spent 9 years in a 6 foot by ten foot cell with another inmate. They call it double-celling, because it is supposed to be a single cell, and they give you extra time off for this.

That is why most violent offenders get out so early. In Maryland, where I was at, Drug Offenders of any type are considered a violent crime so don't get the extra time for double-celling, but a lot of crimes that you would think were violent get that extra time. First Degree Assault, Robbery, Burglary, even Armed Robbery as long as the weapon used was not a gun. Violent repeat criminal offenders are getting out on a daily basis for this reason alone. Our preoccupation for eliminating the drug trade and incarcerating drug users and dealers is making this one of the most dangerous countries in the world. We have to keep in prison the people that belong in prison. And there is only one way to do it.

Legalize Drugs!

It is the only way to solve this problem, and just about every think tank in the country agrees with this. The problem is that it would cost so many jobs in the law enforcement sector and especially in the prison sector that the industries that depend on drugs being illegal will fight tooth and nail against legalization.

Drug Prohibition must end. In the early 20^th century, the United States passed laws prohibiting Alcohol, Drugs, Gambling and Prostitution. Prohibition must end, we should have learned our lesson with alcohol, but we never did. If you want to save this country, endprohibitionnow.net. Remember, Legalizing Drugs is not an experiment. It was making them Illegal that was the experiment, and it has failed miserably. Out of our 5,000 year history, drugs were legal for 4,900 of those years. Think about it.

They WERE ALL WEARING GUEST WHAT????????????????????

HOODIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HOODIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why else would you wear a hoodie????????

So you can hide your face easily in a crime.

Also the percentage of prisoners that are black in nc is about 90%. So is it racist to assume a crime is from a black guy or not.......just looking at the numbers---they dont lie you know--- the most reasonable assumption is the criminal is black---its not racist = it is a FACT!

Prisoners are not afraid of prison, as the guy stated above, they get free health care and decent accommodations, which is ok with me, but they should be forced to work and I dont mean sweeping the floors, i mean they should have chain gangs. A real punishment for violent criminals.

drugs should be treated not criminal. Prisons should be for VIOLENCE/robbery!

all I can say is thank God George Zimmerman has been finally - at long last - been captured and locked up

we can all sleep better now...knowing dangerous criminals like him are off the streets

....meanwhile....guys like these get set free

They might have been black Arabs. While the Arabs were in West Africa picking up a few trading slaves, they might have stayed around and "married" a few slaves from their collection. A behavior authorized by the Koran. It explains the existence of Black Muslims throughout the continent. The President's father may have been an example of a black Arab Muslim and why he was in Kenya.

Okay, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson! Where the devil are you with your protests??? Young black men were killed, murdered brutally in cold blood by some of your brothers! Oh wait... these young, DEFENSELESS BLACK TEENS were from another country! You don't consider ALL black people to be your brothers! You two are total freaks and make me sick!

What a horrible thing to happen to young men from another country! Looks like we breed our own terrorists right here at home... if these three thugs cannot be considered terrorists, I don't know who could! The eyes of the first two just look dead, like they don't even have souls anymore.

I feel so sorry for the families of the three young men who lost their lives in such a heinous manner. Poor kids.

NAMESEER- If you dont think this bunch of apes dont look like criminals, then I bet all the folks in the free rent housing project that you probably live in(you know, the one my taxes pay for) look just like these guys. Where is Sharpton and jackson since it was clearly a racist hate crime due to the fact that the ones killed were Arabic or something. Oh, thats right,only white people are racists. They needed to be shot on sight when arrested!

Marty, most blacks have that mentallity that they can say or do whatever they want just because they are black. I know alot of great black people but they are older people who were raised to respect others regardless of race.

These three should never see the light of day again other than through the bars of a prison. Of course the amount of time they get to do even that should only be so long a it takes to carry out the death sentences they deserve for committing this crime. These scum have forfeited their right to continue to live through their actions. People like this have no place in a civil society and the taxpayers should not be forced to house, feed, and care for them for decades, they should be executed.

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Couldn't agree more Frederick. Scumbags. Why waste $ on throwing them back in jail?? A couple of .45 rounds is very economical. Hell, I'll even volunteer to use my own Glock!

Yet there are states that are repealing the death penalty.

Look, I'll be the first to admit that the robbery aspect of this crime is not a capital offense, however the citizens of ths country are getting bloody tired of having to keep this type of low-life around, just because some folks don't feel good about the death penalty.

Don't go getting all political about this; I am neither R or D, liberal nor conservative. Rather, my opinions are based on a case by case basis. This is what the three strikes law should be addressing.

The prisons are loaded with repeat, violent offenders yet there are some who fight the death penalty. I think if an individual repeatedly, flagrantly violates people and the law, they have demonstrated that they have no regard for anything or anybody, and the rest of us should not be required to provide any kind of existence for them. What is it Dr. Phil says? When a person shows you who they are, believe them.

What have these individuals shown? Nothing worth holding on to in my view. The death penalty is not a deterrent because it's not enforced. Maybe, just maybe, if certain types of personalities/people KNEW that there would be immediate consequences that were harsh in the extreme, they wouldn't get started in the life of crime to begin with. How many times does Thailand and some other countries have to deal with such atrocities? Remeber the young man some years ago who got busted doing what would be considered mischief in our country? Remember how he was stripped and publicly flogged as his sentence? Think he's reoffended since then here in the US? He learned his lesson. It was brutal, granted, however if we want to stop these kinds of things from happening we need to start looking at them realistically. As harsh as it is, receiving a whuppin with a belt as a child definitely taught me about acceptable behavior, and I didn't do it again.

These boys have been in prison for God's sake, and they still didn't figure it out. One had been out for 90 days, more or less when he was involved in a murder. Why on earth should we keep this man alive in prison, especially when a life sentence doesn't mean life, and 10-20 means about 6 in actual time served. Enough is enough. It's time to make "3 strikes" really mean something. Three violent offenses, at most, and it's an automatic death penalty. If you can't play nice, you're not allowed to be in the game, period.

The taxpayers of this country need to wake up. Don't give them any more time than the Russians do for murdering scum like these guys.

Day 1 - Trial

Day 2 Appeal

Day 3 - dead

And if they think that cruel and unusual punishment is a needle in the arm, I have a better solution. Save $$$$ Use a rope

PS - Take Rev Al and Jesse just on the principles of insighting to riot, impersonation of a human being, and all around S___T stirrer.

Best argument ever for a 3-strikes law. One of these degenerates had more than 3 violent strikes WHILE IN PRISON!!! The first incident should have added 10 years to the end of his original sentence, cancelling any possibility of early release or parole for the combined sentences. The second incident should add 20 additional years, and the third incident of violence - another 50, all consecutive, all without possibility of parole.

If strict laws for violent crimes mean that 40% of the population is imprisoned, then so be it.

Prison is not punishment anymore, they workout at the gym, watch TV and Movies. It has become timeout for adults.

Not everyone can be rehabilitated...

Bet you wont hear Obama saying, "If I had 3 sons....this is what theyd look like"

Elizabeth-2017812 - please picture me standing up and cheering for your comments above.

And K I Smart just brought up one of my other pet peeves;

You or I, if we want to work out to remain healthy, get that beach body or for any other reason, we have to pay for that, as in gym memberships or buying our own exercise equipment. Ditto for television and internet access. Either way we pay. But then we had the ACLU come in and say it's these prisoners' "rights" to have access to the those very same things. Now I'm (in most instances) very supportive of the ACLU, but enough is enough.

Having access to gym equipment, TV, or any of that stuff is NOT a "right", it's a privilege. If it were, everyone would have the right to get it for free. It's time for our "leaders" to get it through their heads; We The People are sick of it!

The only thing that gym stuff is good for is making these low-lifes bigger with pumping iron. Take all that equipment away, it's a prison. If they want to work out, they can do sit-ups and push ups, maybe do a few laps around the exercise yard.

If a person is in prison, they've demonstrated that they have no respect for the rules of civilized society, or the people that inhabit it, so why should they have access to the benefits of said society? The answer of course, is that they shouldn't, and in this instance I'm disgusted by the ACLU's actions.

And thank you, PerpetualAmazement. It's good to know there are other Americans who are as fed up with this broken system as I am. I am so tired of the "rehabilitation" arguments. Rehabilitation means to restore to a former state of health or function; these types have shown they never had such a state to begin with, therefor it is impossible to achieve. Time off for good behavior indeed. Mailman has the same attiude as I have, infractions while incarcerated should add time to the sentence, and if you are going to prison, knowing you're going to do the full sentence, every rotten day of it, someone might think twice. As it is now, the criminal element knows that their possible sentence doesn't mean what it says, so they really don't feel all that threatened by the prospect. That attitude would change swiftly if it was known that they'd do every minute of it, with time added for violations while incarcerated.

To Elizabeth-2017812: The reason they give inmates TV's and radios is to control them. Because of prison overcrowding, in many medium II prisons, the inmates spend 19 hours out of 24 locked up in their cells with another person. It has been shown that even Romeo and Juliet would develop black widow blood after more than 6 month isolation. Without the TV and radio, there would be a bunch of body's every day from inmates killing each other. You have many facilities that are double capacity above what they were designed, and they barely have enough guards to watch who they have and they are always looking for more. There is no rehabilitation going on, and as long as prison population stays at present levels, violent prisoners will get out, they will slip through the numerous cracks, there is no stopping it.

And as for those "Prison Sculpted Bodies", that is not from working out in the gym. Because of the overcrowding in most prisons, you are lucky to get two hours a week in any kind gym. The reason for those muscular bodies is twofold. First, 85% of the food you eat is starch, and Second, the most popular exercises in prison are pushups, sit ups and pull ups, three exercises that are easily done your cells. endprohibitionnow.net

Bear, I would not argue about ending prohibition, it's a proven failure.

What I'm saying is that those same violent prisoners need to be required to be doing something constructive. Prison farms come to mind, as do GED programs, trade programs to build skills, hell even learn how to tat (make lace). I'm not saying that they should be left to go stir-crazy in a general way, but violent offenders should never be released as you, yourself said. I honestly don't think anybody would be too concerned if two murderers killed each other in an argument, and they don't get to complain; they got what they were working so hard to get, so let them have it.

The point is, if they're in prison for violent offenses, why then should civilized society bear the burden of providing for them when they could never be bothered to provide for themselves in any honest capacity.

If you repeatedly demonstrate that you have no regard for other humans, then you should be removed from humanity, with no possibility of coming in contact with the rest of us again. The only guaranteed way to do that is the death penalty. That way, some ***hole like Gov. Barbour can't come along somewhere down the line and with no first hand knowledge of the particulars of the case, just grant a pardon, totally undoing the hard work of the cops, prosecutors, jurors and many others.

I realize you probably have no love for those particular people, but they do an important service for society, and if you did 10 for drugs, please remember, no one held a gun to your head to make you get involved in the drug culture. I have no problem with a little reefer, but if you choose to play with fire you ought to expect to get burned once in a while, and it sounds like you got 3rd degree. The question now is, did you learn your lesson and get out of it, or are you right back at it again? If it's the latter, then you deserve to be in prison until you're carried out in a box. It may be harsh, but so is the world. Why in the world should the rest of us be forced to care for and about them when they could never be bothered to do it for themselves?

Ahahahaha at Rusty! I bet he won't... Half of my family is black, but that was still TRUE. You can't claim one without the other...

I fail to see what the NRA has to do with these murders. Anyone who's bent on breaking the law is going to get his/her hands on a gun. The bad guys don't have guns because of the NRA, they have guns because they're bad guys. I'm a 63yo grandmother who was taught to hunt/shoot before I was 10. My father also taught me respect for the use of a gun as well as the law. But anyone would be ill-advised coming into my home without an invitation.

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I fail to see what the NRA has to do with these murders.

My response was towards the media reporting countless shootings across the nation in the last couple of weeks up to and including today's shooting that has spread fear across the country...possibly influencing the masses into accepting new legislation...problem>reaction>solution?

Except that there are ALWAYS stories about crime in the news. Try to keep the paranoia to a minimum.

As soon as they are convicted, they need to be HANGED within 48 hrs in public. They need to make every child in juvinile detention forced to watch this in person if they within 50 miles, those farther away should be made to watch on very large sc reen hi def video s they see exactly what they are in for if they dont change.

I wonder if you feel the same towards Jake England, and Alvin Watts??

Yes i feel the same way towards ANYONE that it can be conclusively proven or they confess to murdering someone else for any reason that does not include protecting their life or someone elses life! They show time and time again they CANNOT live around others and there is ABSOLUTELY no sense in wasting money providing them medical care, food, clothing, access to a library and television or anything else. they need to be removed from society fast and as an example for those in juvie that are following in the same footsteps!

And there is no sense in anyone saying hanging them would not be a deterent, at the very least it keeps them from repeating again, WHICH in this case is exactly what they did after being released from prison.

As far as Jake England the ONLY way i could find any sympathy for him would have been if he had waited for the man who killed his father to be released and KILLLED him, not killing people on the streets. If it had been the man that killed his father there could have at least been some reason as courts gave him 4 years for killing the guys father instead of giving him the death penalty

I like bluthunder's way of thinking. I lean more towards absolute evidence than confessions, because there have been too many cases were confessions for whatever reasons have been proven not true.

Unless coerced anyone that confesses to a crime such as this has a very big problem and if they know that what they face is the rope, they will not be confessing to these kind of crimes anymore causing a larger waste of money investigating false confessions by those seeking attention.

There are lots of reasons for false confessions - mental illness, protecting the guilty party, coercion, etc.

Physical evidence is best, eyewitness accounts are so-so (esp. chancy if only one person), and confessions are about the same as witnesses. Having two of these, or more, plus a motive, is much better. No conviction is ever fail-proof - but none of us are purely innocent, are we?

At this point they don't need to be given the opportunity to get out. If these men actually did this they should visit the electric chair, especially since they've already had a taste of prison life and it obviously did nothing.

Yes sir. And they know their rights they will sue you just because the courts will listen, sometimes they even get paid. These guys are on their way back to prison before they leave, their hatred isn't racially motivated either they just hate. Dedicated criminals Thugs for life, and they know that the libral any thing goes society we have will let them go sooner or later. If they had any intelligence their prison time might serve as a deterrant from future criminal behavior, but they are real short on brain power (perhaps a failure of our public schools), they always think they're gonna get away with it, the victims mean nothing to them.

They know that there is a real strong lobby out there that will fight with everything to keep them from the lethal injections that are too soft for their heartless acts. They will tell you some sob story about how hard life has been on them, their mother or father beat them (probably not hard enough like mine beat me glad she did).

Well that really doesn't solve anything the prisons are overcrowded with a good number of folk like this and our correctional officers have to deal with them unarmed daily, and if they just look at 'em hard enough some bleeding heart will tell you how bad those guards are it's crazy.

She continued to stroke my... Oh you meant racist. Nevermind.

LOL!!!!

Are you familiar with Charles Manson? He had a reletively petty non-violent criminal history until he had a brillant idea that he could kill Sharon Tate make it look like some Black Guys did it (I'm sure Big Jim would bought that ticket), and start a race war...WOW poor Sharon Tate White woman killed by a White maniac in hopes of starting a race war.

Look convicts don't follow the rules, they just don't and nobody else will hang out wit them so they find each other and do what they do. Nobody wants to keep them in prison because it cost too much. The one from Conn. now how did he even get out? Our Correctional Officers are assaulted every day, but most states don't even make that a felony.

On what are you basing that statement, Really?

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Cute. But dumb. The conflation between Manson, a psychotic murderer mastermind, and Trayvon Martin (a murder victim) doesn't answer my question.

Manson was convicted of conspiracy to commit murder, not murder. Easy to look up yourself.

Not only was Manson not convicted of murder, no one has been convicted of murdering Martin who was a victim only of his own lack of self control and bad judgement.I think Really? was inferring to biased media coverage and trial by a court of public opinion fueled by whatever spin the news outlets decided put on the incident . But I cannot answer for Really?, so I'll let him decide if my post addresses your erroneous assertion.

Astro-

Would you please give a definition of your word "conflation"? I've looked through my dictionary and I can't find that word anywhere. Could you, by any chance, be meaning "comparison"?

Elizabeth

I think Astro meant "conflation of" rather than "conflation between" when he was describing my "analogy". But to answer your question conflation is "a combining, as of two variant readings of a text into a composite reading" in other words a highfalutin way of saying combination, which is why I called his cute but dumb post an erroneous assertion instead of a load of horsesh1t.

I think you mean to say "everyone is happy these guys are off the street."

You think I'm concerned with skin color of a murderer? A murderer is a murderer - irrespective of skin color. You don't really think a White rapist is a better person than a Black rapist do you?

Absolutely!!! Since their victms are most likely going to be Black or some other minority.

unlv702... yes, everyone is happy these guys are off the street....especially those in the black community because if you are black and you are murdered, there is a 93% chance of your killer being black too.

What scares me is that some future Governor could grant these vermin a pardon...

And if the NRA has their way, once these three are pardoned they'll be able to get their guns back.

@klone

And if the NRA has their way, once these three are pardoned they'll be able to get their guns back.

Another ridiculously inane comment brought to you by the sheep from the left. Please produce any verifiable sources where the NRA has lobbied for criminals to get their guns back. We'll wait. Or, if you are able, which I highly doubt, please cite any legitimate sources for proving the NRA has backed anything illegal.

Klone

And if the NRA has their way, once these three are pardoned they'll be able to get their guns back

Obviously Klone you have not actually looked into the NRA if you believe that. NRA supports more education for children on the safehandling of weapons, provides numerous training events for law enforcement and stands for all our freedoms. Besides they won't need the NRA as they can go break into a house and steal guns, or borrow them from the other thugs they hang with. My question is will it be a hate crime or is that reserved for only certain people in this country?

I already said I didn't care if the scum were white,black,green,yellow or schartruse. Any normal person would take one look at their ugly frightful faces and never even open a door to them.

Remove the black and paint them any color you wish in your paint set. Jerk.

Must be another case of the white man holding down the black man again. They (the ebony's) created their own language (Ebonics) because they do not want to live in this country. Why does everyone continue to cater to the racist blacks??????

That comment is so idiotic that A. I cannot even believe you actually posted it and B. 16 other brilliant thinkers thought to vote it up. Guess great minds think alike.

They grant parole to get him out of that state and their hair.

Man, the posts on this thread are depressing. Darryl, I highly doubt you speak that way in public, but keyboard racists are always so brave.

What part of my statement was racist or untrue?

One more thing Astro Boy. White people are not allowed to talk about race in public or they will be called a racist by most blacks and many whites as well. Even if what they have to say is 100% true.

If you can't figure it out for yourself, I can't help you. You are not "talking about race" (quit pretending you were having a neutral, scientific discussion or something). You are throwing bombs and then putting on a hurt "who me?" act when called on it.

I never claimed to be having a neutral, scientific discussion. I was obviously stating that most black paople hate white people and do not want to live in peace. Just try listening to the great Reverand Wright, our Presidents own pastor. Who I voted for by the way.Take your holier than though bull to someone who doesn't have a clue. And instead of saying" I can't help you" why don't you try enlightening me. Your ignorance is showing.

No, it would only be a hate crime if the three in the picture had been eliminated by a person of a different racial heritage. As it is it is just blacks being black.

Most people would consider African-Americans and Arab-Americans to be of different racial (and cultural ) heritage. Do you consider Italians, Greeks, or Native Americans to be black? If someone does not have red hair, freckles, and snow white skin - would you consider them all of one race?

This could certainly qualify as a hate crime. The whole idea of hate crime is rather silly anyway - a crime is a crime, and violence against a person should be prosecuted the same regardless of any assumed motive (or lack of motive.) Who cares about the thought process of the perpetrator? (no one can ever really know another's thought process.) A crime was committed - prove that and punish the guilty.

Right, but we can only call it a hate crime if it is a whitey killing a black. You wont get any apologies from the black community. You wont get any angry staements from Sharpton or Jackson, its not their bag. You wont get any staements from the President either.There wont be any angry uprising, kids leaving school and raiding Walgreens in some sort of senseless "statement". all you will have are some poor family members with a lot of hurt,they didnt ask for this. Those people in the store did nothing...but there wont be anyone from the black community to help make sence of this, or to help them. Its not racist or political enough. My heartfelt apologies and prayers to the families. And I am a whitey

You mean like burn peole alive and hang them from trees, gather the village to take trophy shot, that kind of hate crime? I think there is only 1 culture on earth that does that.

@informix please read:look closely @ para.#2

Scientists discover
white male hate gene,

by Victor Payan

CHICAGO (APN)-Scientists at Northwestern University have released their
findings from a landmark twenty year study on white male aggressiveness. The
study, titled "Male Pattern Whiteness: Genesis or Genetics?" seeks to
determine whether there is a genetic relationship between male whiteness and
the wave of white-originated violence that is sweeping the country.

"There has always been a history of violent acts perpetrated by white
males against non whites in the United States, but until recently these were
either deemed random acts of violence or were dismissed as being part of the
'good old days,'" says Northwestern researcher Seymour Gabachos.
"Then we began to notice that these events were not random at all but in
fact were the result of many months of intensive planning and festering on the
part of the perpetrators."

The study claims to have identified a so-called "hate gene" in
whitemales and alleges that evidence of this genetic tendency toward senseless
violence, which researchers have dubbed Male Pattern Whiteness (MPW), can be
traced through the centuries using case studies.

"The Pilgrims, who were fleeing Male Pattern Whiteness in England, brought
the disease to America when they found themselves on a continent full of people
who were much less white than themselves," says Gabachos.

These findings come at a time when the nation is desperately looking for
answers regarding such recent acts of senseless white male originated violence
as those in Colorado, Georgia, Ohio, California and the anti-minority shooting
spree by Benjamin Smith in Indiana and Illinois, or the recent Atlanta
shootings.

"First we tested our hypothesis on lab rats," says Gabachos.
"Thewhite rats were by and large more hateful, spiteful and resentful
thanMexican rats, Asian rats or African rats. We have yet to do acomparative
analysis using Canadian rats, but our findings are prettystrong."

The findings of the Northwestern study paint a sobering picture ofthe
characteristics of Male Pattern Whiteness. "The human white male subjects,
particularly the ones who fell in the category of White Unemployed Suburban
Supremacists (WUSS) showed a keenly developed sense of what we call the
stockpile syndrome," says Gabachos. "While the rats in the study
could find cheese in a maze, humans with a high WUSS factor could locate canned
food and ammunition with eerie precision. Both the white rats and the human
subjects would then stockpile the materials in a dark hole they seemed to dig
almost as if by instinct."

Critics of the study, which include creationists and fundamentalistChristian
groups, charge that this is another attempt by secular science todebunk
Christianity. They cite various examples from the Bible in which God
specifically instructs his people to kill others who are not like them and then
take their land.

"It's not genetics, it's God plain and simple," says public
accesstelevangelist Holly Point Bullitt. "In the Bible it says that on the
seventhday, God rested, but on the eighth day, he opened up a can of
whup-ass."

A spokesman for the controversial World Church of the Creator, to which spree
killer Benjamin Smith belonged, commented "If Jesus were alive today, he'd
be making pipe bombs and shooting at people from a truck."

Other critics maintain that labelling an entire race, gender andreligion as
ethnically hostile at the genetic level will lead to discrimination by
insurance companies, real estate agents, law enforcement agencies, school
bullies and assault weapons dealers.

Dr. Gabachos defends the findings of his study.

"As scientists we look for correlating factors. In all of the caseswhere
we found MPW, the subjects were white, the subjects were male, and the subjects
were Christian. That, and all of the subjects owned guns. So how do we cure
this? Do we take away the guns? Do we take away the maleness? The whiteness?
The religion? Maybe a national identification card is the answer. I don't know.
But this is a national problem." When queried about the male violence of
Mexican serial killer Rafael Resendez Ramirez, who was not white, Dr. Gabachos
explained, "Ramirez was a firm believer in assimilation, and was just
trying to fit in to his adopted country."

Dr. Gabachos added, "We are also investigating a possible genetic link
between Rafael Resendez Ramirez, Lyle and Erik Menendez Resendez Ramirez, and
the 'Night Stalker' Richard Menendez Resendez Ramirez. Another possibility,
which Resendez Ramirez's own family attests, is that the man had a mental
condition, which

Scientists discover
white male hate gene, others blame God

by Victor Payan

Pocho Christian Pseudoscience Monitor

CHICAGO (APN)-Scientists at Northwestern University have released their
findings from a landmark twenty year study on white male aggressiveness. The
study, titled "Male Pattern Whiteness: Genesis or Genetics?" seeks to
determine whether there is a genetic relationship between male whiteness and
the wave of white-originated violence that is sweeping the country.

"There has always been a history of violent acts perpetrated by white
males against non whites in the United States, but until recently these were
either deemed random acts of violence or were dismissed as being part of the
'good old days,'" says Northwestern researcher Seymour Gabachos.
"Then we began to notice that these events were not random at all but in
fact were the result of many months of intensive planning and festering on the
part of the perpetrators."

The study claims to have identified a so-called "hate gene" in
whitemales and alleges that evidence of this genetic tendency toward senseless
violence, which researchers have dubbed Male Pattern Whiteness (MPW), can be
traced through the centuries using case studies.

"The Pilgrims, who were fleeing Male Pattern Whiteness in England, brought
the disease to America when they found themselves on a continent full of people
who were much less white than themselves," says Gabachos.

These findings come at a time when the nation is desperately looking for
answers regarding such recent acts of senseless white male originated violence
as those in Colorado, Georgia, Ohio, California and the anti-minority shooting
spree by Benjamin Smith in Indiana and Illinois, or the recent Atlanta
shootings.

"First we tested our hypothesis on lab rats," says Gabachos.
"Thewhite rats were by and large more hateful, spiteful and resentful
thanMexican rats, Asian rats or African rats. We have yet to do acomparative
analysis using Canadian rats, but our findings are prettystrong."

The findings of the Northwestern study paint a sobering picture ofthe
characteristics of Male Pattern Whiteness. "The human white male subjects,
particularly the ones who fell in the category of White Unemployed Suburban
Supremacists (WUSS) showed a keenly developed sense of what we call the
stockpile syndrome," says Gabachos. "While the rats in the study
could find cheese in a maze, humans with a high WUSS factor could locate canned
food and ammunition with eerie precision. Both the white rats and the human
subjects would then stockpile the materials in a dark hole they seemed to dig
almost as if by instinct."

Critics of the study, which include creationists and fundamentalistChristian
groups, charge that this is another attempt by secular science todebunk
Christianity. They cite various examples from the Bible in which God
specifically instructs his people to kill others who are not like them and then
take their land.

"It's not genetics, it's God plain and simple," says public
accesstelevangelist Holly Point Bullitt. "In the Bible it says that on the
seventhday, God rested, but on the eighth day, he opened up a can of
whup-ass."

A spokesman for the controversial World Church of the Creator, to which spree
killer Benjamin Smith belonged, commented "If Jesus were alive today, he'd
be making pipe bombs and shooting at people from a truck."

Other critics maintain that labelling an entire race, gender andreligion as
ethnically hostile at the genetic level will lead to discrimination by
insurance companies, real estate agents, law enforcement agencies, school
bullies and assault weapons dealers.

Dr. Gabachos defends the findings of his study.

This is hysterical. It's A HOAX! This was wrtten by wise-ass Victor Payan. There is no "Dr Gabachos" at NW University. "Gabachos" is a word Mexicans/Chicanos use to describe a foreigner, specifically a white person. IT"S NOT A NAME! There is no such study listed on NWU's website. Unbelievable.

Typical leftist sheeple, believing that crap is real is totally ridiculous!

It's less of a hoax than satire. There are enough obvious skewerings of various stereotypes in the "news article" to make its humor self-evident. "Evangelist Holly Point Bullitt" indeed! I can just visualize the author, tongue fully inserted in cheek, jerking our collective chain and waiting for the predictable reactions.

U R not

Yeah, American blacks run everything, Darryl. You are so perceptive and everyone else is so "stuppid." By the way, adding more question marks will make your racism look even smarter.

I find it hysterically coincidental that your name is Darryl.

I never said run everything Astro. I said dictate everything. Why is it that people like you (racists) and ignorant white people always do that. I will give you a few examples. First, blacks dictated that they now have to be called African American, while it is still perfectly fine to call white people white, whiteboy,whitegirl or racist anytime someone looks at you wrong. Charlize Theron was born in Africa and is now American, doesn't that make her African American? If you want to go back further, then how far back? If mankind originated in Africa then wouldn't that make us all African Americans. Second, blacks claim discrimination and under representation in occupations that require an education.I remember growing up in school that any black that tried to get an education was given a hard time by fellow blacks for trying to act white or for talking white. That is why we such a disproportionate amount of blacks in sports and music industries. Unless you're going to make a racist statement and say that blacks are just naturally better athletes? Then affirmative action was dictated to right a wrong that was never a wrong, but a choice. How about affirmative action in sports? Don't you think all races should be represented equally in everything? Lets not forget about Ebonics so that black children didn't have to learn how to speak proper english, or as your brothers and sisters might say: the white man's language.Until you start calling everyone your brother and sister and just call your selves American, I don't see anything changing.

INFORMIX; Amen!!!!!

This is my motherland. My ancestors weren't trying to leave Africa, they were kidnapped, without ever having been at war with America or any other European nation. They were kidnapped and placed in slavery because some people were too lazy to work their own land, and since they had guns (is that anything like armed robbery, perhaps the biggest armed robbery in history?), built the foundations of New York City, and died from starvation (What cruelty they endure). Not only were the people who kidnapped them lazy they were amongst the cruelst people in the history of the world.

A welfare check doesn't begin to cover the cost of what is owed, not even a fraction.

Malachi's Dad

This is my motherland. My ancestors weren't trying to leave Africa, they were kidnapped.

Yeah, by other blacks who were stronger, bigger and likely a bit more intelligent. Only then did other races provide a better life for them than they would have had in Africa.

First of all your ancestors were not "kidnapped". The idea that whites went into the jungle with nets and kidnapped black people is so hilarious. Fact is tribal chiefs in the coastal areas of West Africa didn't allow Europeans beyond the beaches (well maybe a little more than that). They brought captured people from other tribes defeated in war, and criminals, and people from their own tribes that had committed some infraction. They were traded for goods from Europe, among them guns. The Portuguese were the first Europeans to get into the slave trade, taking it from THE ARABS, who controlled it for 900 years and charged too much. The Portuguese wanted to deal directly with the African Chiefs. Most slaves went to Brazil first, way before there was even a thought of an America. Then everybody else jumped on the bandwagon and black slaves were sent everywhichway and the rest is history.

Sure, I'm white so guilty by association, but am I wrong in pointing out that slaves weren't kidnapped at gunpoint by white men? These poor souls were captured and sold by people of their own color! The kidnapping, the selling, the profiting on the African continent was initiated and conducted by people of color. There can be no excuse for slavery but don't try to act like your ancestors had no hand in the tragic legacy we all live with today! Sure, sellers with no market go broke, so blame my race for the market, but your race sowed and reaped the product and enjoyed the profits/lifestyle sales of their product made possible.

Sick, the whole thing was and is sick and I am sick from hearing the continuous refrain that points to slavery as being the whole problem. Focus on broader possibilities and accept that there are some people who use the entire slave/master legacy as an excuse for their failure or as an excuse to hate people with light colored skin and then I might be willing to listen more seriously to what you have to tell me. Brand me, name me, hate me, I can't change the color of my skin nor what my race did anymore than you can. Accept that we are all human, we have strengths and weaknesses, forget the past, it is indeed PAST, look to the future and figure out a way to forgive, and move on in a positive direction! Doing anything less is simply looking for excuses to fail and hate and guess what? When you look for excuses to fail and hate, you earn the disrespect and animosity you find aimed your way!

Slave Ships and Slaving. Documented history from the logbooks of slave ships will substantiate my claim that Africans were kidnapped from their most prosperous communities. Because of economic reasons and because there criminals that came into thier lands had guns and they did not. The African Kingdom of Benin had guns and they were not kidnapped.

The beauty of Slave Ships and Slaving is that it is not a compiled hisory written by historians, but rather excerpts from logbooks, the actual day to day recordings of the kidnappers. Ther is one excerpt that declares the natives had a cure for syphillis, shame the Europeans couldn't get that cure for the world by learning to talk and honestly trade with other people.

For sure some of the slaves were gathered by other Africans as prisoners of war, even this was perpetrated by Europeans who supplied one group with guns and paid them for as many slaves as they could muster. before guns came into play Europeans killed and slaughtered each other so it is no surprise what happened to the world when they came up with the gun. Armed Robbery at its best.

You can find Slave Ships and Slaving On Line. You should get it and read it and findout a little something.

Well Sighber,

You are right the whole thing was and is sickening. However, when slavery was ended, that was a good start; however, the psychological impact of slavery on millions of people can only be underestimated by those who do not want the truth. Human beings are emotional and psychological as well as physical creatures the various cruelties of slavery, not to mention the component of slavery that forbade and education to its victims, was not something that would end simply because a President signed his name to a document.

The newly freed people were impacted by the legacy of the institution of slavery which brought America much wealth. Tgese people began to prosper because that's what people do in Freedom. The Founding Fathers of America knew that, which is why they wanted Freedom. As the newly freed Americans began to prosper those lazy people who didn't want to work formed citizen councils and murdered not a few men of color for their lands and began a legacy of share cropping. Not to mention the creation of laws to criminalize behaviors which previously were not criminal (Check out the recent documentary Slavery by Another name which details how Southern Whites began to use the Criminal Justice System to hinder the advance of the fellow citizens of a darker hue)

I know that being White it can be a bit overwhelming to take a seriously honest look at your past, but do the research and you will see the value in it.

I have friends of color, friends who do not spend their time rooting through history looking for documentation on which to build a foundation to support a bleak and unforgiving future. History has its lessons. That not all embrace the freedom offered to everyone in our nation is indisputable but labeling an entire race for the acts of a few is the root of racism and racism isn't exclusive to Europeans. When you intimate that I am unwilling to look honestly at my past I can only assume that you are one who is unwilling to forgive what my forefathers did. I certainly have NEVER owned another human being, if being a victim is a profession then certain races have elevated that profession to an art. Slavery ended many generations ago, and I understand that bigotry and racism didn't end just because a president signed a document but hanging on to every painful wrong ever done makes progress impossible. The past is PAST, the future awaits, we can find peace and acceptance only when we learn to forgive and only when we understand and embrace the idea that we are first of all human beings and not colors!

You sir are a very very wise man!

One more issue, I would point out to Malachi's Dad that the race, my race, which you denigrate and disparage, fought a brutal war over the issue of slavery. hundreds of thousands of people with light colored skin died so you could experience the freedom you have. When you throw away the sacrifice, which should have earned at least some consideration, it demonstrates a lack of respect that is unconscionable. Again, at least half this nation's light colored inhabitants were on your side during the 1860's and many families found themselves facing each other across blood strewn battlefields over the issue of slavery. They fought for YOU, they died for YOUR freedom. You've had that freedom by law since 1865 or so, 147 years, how many generations is that? History is useful in that it can help keep us from repeating past mistakes but the present is where we all live.

There is a popular saying that goes something like, yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery but today is a gift, that is why it is called the present. When we focus on the present, with a positive eye toward the future, we begin to peel back the curtains of mystery that obscure it and, if we focus on forgiveness, understanding, and individuality we begin to generate a sturdy foundation on which to build a brighter tomorrow, one that sees the barriers we erect, hide behind, and throws stones from, erode and eventually disappear.

Maybe we need some stand your grand laws for policeman. And stronger sentences for those who clearly do not need to be out in society among decent people. What makes these people like that. I am sure many will say these guys are black but believe me there are many hispanics, white people and Asians that do the very same thing. And it amazes me that at any time if you kill someone intentionally why you would ever be on the street again. But that happens too. Especially with radicals like Gov Barbar. Why? I have also never understood why someone can think they are better than anyone else because of the color of their skin or how much money is in their pocket. Most of the time noone chose either. When you inherit your money it doesn't make you any different than when you are born in poverty. It is what you do with the situation after that. And it is surprising how many who never worked a day in their life for real criticize those who do.

...just wanted to say that this country wasn't just built on the backs of black slaves, that many many different people from many different lands (foreigners) helped build this country for very very low wages and were treated like slaves when doing so. But back to the story -yes, these four individuals need to be severely punished. No matter what their race they are not fit to mix with society any longer. Also, responding to the earlier comments on drug crimes vs. violent crimes...the reason is because usually these violent crimes stem from drug use and/or a drug surrounded environment and one thing is for sure that the occasional pot smoker is prone to uptake his addiction at some point but if he doesn't then he is still breaking the law and probably has not many boundaries he abides.

How right you are. I am of Irish decent. We were treated horribly by everyone. We were considered the blacks of the british isle.Fact is, things happen to many peoples.By other peoples..it is called LIFE. We are to learn from it and go on.I am so sick of hereing the bull from the blacks about slavery.And they should be compensated with money. Advise...GET UP OFF YOUR BLACK ASSES AND EARN YOUR MONEY!That is the only money you are intiltled too it!And anyone.No payouts to the Irish people, or the chinese on the train lines.or, or or, I could keep going on. If you are going to read a history book....read the WHOLE story. It is not just about the blacks, mister.And another thing..you want to talk about how poorley the blacks are treated by the whites, well racism is a 2 sided coin.And the blacks in Africa are still treating other blacks far worse than anything we have ever done in this country. Ever here of germicide of a people? Blacks in Africa are doing it all the time. Its time to get of you pitty pot about history and make your own living and quit expecting someone else to give it to you. Life is life, we have all suffered at times.quit expecting a frigging handout...your not getting one

Look at the lengths white people will go to in order to cover their, IMO, flat behinds. Deny and obfuscate all you wish, the truth is not in your denials and lies, however, the day is coming soon when you will see the truth, right in your face. Then what?????

Julie, you are just a little late with the Chinese ENtitlement issue, the U.S. paid their reparations for being in the internment camps during WW2 a while ago. I know you are so very tired of hearing the bull about slavery, so on and so forth. Well Julie, I guess you could have simply ignored this forum and gone on about your lily white day. But, my goodness, it seems you chose to post your rant so I guess you really are not tired of hearing about all the bull. Faith and begorrah, or whatever the Irish go on about. Kiss the Blarney stone much?