Good luck getting the ghost to testify.

"Two bangs for yes, one for no, if you would Mr/Mrs Ghost."

Yeah, as much as I have my own thoughts on such things, I don't think they are getting their deposit back as there really isn't any renter/homeowner policy regarding instances of paranormal activity or hauntings. Unfortunately, this couple will have to swallow the loss and look for another home if they really are not going to continue staying there.

If the house was really haunted..nobody in their right minds will care about unused rent or refund of security deposits..they will get the heck out and fast and move far far away! Bunch of freaking liar's they are.

May the souls that you think haunt you..follow you forever..for being freaking JACKAZZ's!

huh... I guess the ghosts from the end of Disneyland Haunted Mansion ride really DO follow you home after all.

Why, I do believe there is a ghost in my car, and that it has also been using my Mastercard.

@Bill, I believe people believed in religion and the supernatural before education cuts started up. And with your crude choice of a avatar, I would tend to put you in the lower end of the education spectrum. But at least you have UFO's.

@Bill in Mill Creek:

I can't decide whether your punctuation and spelling ("Lepricons") counteracts your rant about "cutting education", or underscores it.

Why not find any former tenants of the house, and ask them if they had any similar experiences?

The prior tenants lived in the house for ten years and didn't have similar experiences.

58% of the people that took the online poll, believe in haunted houses! Is complete stupidity really that pervasive in our society?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/150743/Obama-Romney.aspx

I guess so. 43% of the people who took this poll want to re-elect Obama...

Let's say it's not haunted and they simply realized they cannot afford it. Does the landlord think he will get blood from a stone by taking them to court for the amount of the entire year's lease? Seems like it would be less expensive for him to find a new tenant instead of filing a counter suit.

@nikkinala..did you read the article or just decide to comment first?

They are suing the landlord (the doctor) to get back their security deposit of $2250, the doctor filed a countersuit since they left which means they broke the lease they signed. The doctor isn't suing for the whole year lease, but if he wanted too he can.

The doctor will win against these idiots.

LOOK closely around the area of the bowling pin. To its left where the bar/counter meets the wall,look at the shadows. You can see,a man,or boy sitting in the corner,on the floor. The head,torso,and the left arm,that reaches out to the pin,every time it tips over. Was someone sitting there,and it was blotted from the recording? Or,is that the spirit?

DMorgan, where are all these Christians that you write about? I may have missed it but I haven't seen one yet. Does your life suck so badly that you have to stir things up? If you choose not to believe that's your business but there's no need to start fires.

It is absolutely impossible to prove ghostly activity in a court of law, because there is nothing but circumstantial evidence, ever. The couple should just give up.

DMorgan; I'm a Christian, and I'm not making fun of people who believe in things that cannot be scientifically proven or disproven. If you had an open mind and any understanding of scientific method, you'd know that only an idiot or a Republican (same difference) would ever call anything impossible. It is entirely possible for ghosts to exist. It is highly improbable, but not impossible.

I think you need to crawl out of backward mindset yourself before you go criticizing other people.

Hey there Mike! Yes, I read it. It states that "Lopez has filed a countersuit, saying the couple broke the terms of their one-year lease." If he's only looking to keep their deposit, there's no need to file a counter suit. Maybe you missed that part. Enjoy your day!

McBob, if you are a christian all I have to say is I am glad I am not of your denomination.

and that dog, too!

Don't bet on it,, Dead Presidents created our Banks

Jim-372206,

Technically correct. But it's important to point out they didn't create the banks "while" they are dead. My money is on the possibility they will still be dead for some time to come.

You know, I had the same thoughts about the guys walking by just before the pin fell. I would have been really impressed if all the pins went over, and then the door closed by itself! However, if you watched the news report, the toy pins seem pretty substantial - not like dollar store bowling pins!

With that said - Yep, I do believe in the supernatural as I've experienced this wierd stuff first hand - hanging towels moving on their own volition (no cause found) and capturing a speeding ball of light in a photograph. I am "sensitive" - I've had dreams where the things I dreamt came to be in detail, etc. But that 7 minutes of video I just watched of the falling bowling pin is 7 mins. of my life I'll never get back!

softdude

It's strictly business with them. In order to be successful at being a landlord, you have to have ice water in your veins.

They should have thought of their childrens welfare before signing the lease. It's not the landlords responsibility.

I agree, in part Softdude...I'm sure they could come to some reasonable compromise that both would be happy - or at least OK - with. I say 50/50 split on the deposit. Neither has the expense of an attorney, neither has any further headache over this and all move on.

Wont anyone think of the children?...

If you really wanted to think of the children, you'd get them better parents...

A contract is a contract. The landlord is not responsible for the welfare of the children nor responsible for returning the deposit if tenents break their lease.

Many rental contracts have provisions for breaking the lease - usually 2 to 3 months rent to give the landlord time to clean up & re-rent the property. If the rent is $1500 and the deposit just under $3000, the run-away tenents are getting a bargin if the landlord agrees to canceling the contract and keeping the deposit.

I have never yet seen a rental agreement that had a "in case the property turns out to be haunted" clause for breaking the lease.

However, many states have laws about the expectation that where you rent will provide a reasonable amount of peace & comfort. i.e. if you have a neighbor that plays the drums at 3am every night, and the landlord does not evict that neighbor, you can break your lease without much trouble to move. Wonder if "my house is haunted and the ghosts keep moving things around" will qualify..??

I wonder if the ghost has a lease...?

If this landlord knew that the house was haunted, or even if someone was murdered there, that has to be on the disclosure statement. If it isn't then, they do have a legal case against the homeowner. Homeowners/Landlords can't just hide important details when renting out their home. And, THIS is a very important detail. The Homeowner/Landlord knows that the house is haunted and is not disclosing it.... Give them back their deposit. I hope they win. I can't imagine having to run from a home in terror because of something like this. I am also a Homeowner/Landlord and also now rent a condo. It HAS to be disclosed............

Considering there is no such thing as a haunted house there is no reason to disclose that to anyone.

rebus cannebus

They should have thought of their childrens welfare before signing the lease. It's not the landlords responsibility.

Um when have you EVER been allowed to stay in a rental before signing a lease?

I'm actually living in my first house that isn't haunted it's kind of weird, ghosts don't bother me though, it's not the dead you should be afraid of it's the living.

He may depend on the rent check to pay his own mortgage!

In order to be successful at being a landlord, you have to have ice water in your veins.

Yeah, if you don't let freeloaders simply live in your properties for free, you're cold and unfeeling.

What nonsense. Why should a landlord give away his investment?

Soft, if the tenant had gone to the landlord and told him she couldn't pay, I would agree with you to some extent. Since she has chosen this path which could also result in the place being unrentable in the future, I am with the doctor.

I've been a landlord and I've had good and bad tenants. When they were good I went out of my way to keep them in the house and when they were bad I did everything I could, legally, to get them out!

Key word "welfare". He earned his money, why should he give it away to irresponsible freeloaders?

You can't say, "giving them their deposit back isn't going to cause him anywhere near the financial hardship it will cause the renters"

You don't know that. You have no idea what another persons financial state is. We have 5 rental properties and the house we live in. One is paid off. Ergo we have 5 mortgages. 2 car payments, insurance, property tax, student loans out the wazoo, oh and a baby due in 11 weeks. Just because someone owns property or has a Doctorate doesn't mean they are made of money. A contract is a contract, there is a reason why we have contracts is there not?

All this makes me wonder what kind of background checks were done prior to them being offered the lease. Either the landlord did not properly vet his tenants, or their financial situation has changed. If the first, then they mislead him, if the second, maybe he could cut them some slack and let them out of their lease. Seems like it would be less expensive to find a new tenant than to battle this out in court.

Not necessarily. There are groups out there that are more for proving there is nothing paranormal due to the thinking that its all fake that are equivant to those groups out there that are more for approaching it logically and trying to prove that if nothing else is the cause, then yes it's possible that something is happening.

All I can say is, if I was trying to prove the legitimacy of something, I wouldn't call on an organization whose purpose was to prove it wasn't so.

You might if you set up the "ghostly happenings" yourself to happen. Just great slight-of-hand, fake seance stuff.

which would make their claim all the more believeable. If they didn't run to someone group who agreed easily.

You ever watch Ghost Hunters? Back when I used to put up with it, they always claimed they were about debunking the claims, then they'd spend the entire episode trying to find any excuse they could to say a place is probably haunted.

LOL

I understand why you are saying that, but I can also tell you with some great certainty that there is a realm outside of the reality in which we currently exist, and life does live there. It's nothing too complicated either. Not that I expect you to believe me, but not that I care either.

I have heard the same stories dozens of times over by different tellers from vastly different backgrounds. Basically, it involves spiritism and involvement with the occult. A house of a close friend had similar issues until someone discovered there was a book about witchcraft in the house. Once they took it out and got rid of it, the weirdnesses went away.

Dark figures, strange voices, stuff falling off of shelves, stuff turning on and off by themselves - same old bag of tricks from a group with nothing better to do than harass people before their own eventual end comes. What am I talking about? Well, for more information, look up something else you probably don't believe in - Revelation 12:7-12.

I knew an Atheist would put his 2 cents worth in sooner or later. (And we all know how little 2 cents is worth these days!)

I think frez is wrong but I am also an atheist. I do not think the afterlife exists as the good book says it does but there is plenty of evidence that suggests that ghosts do exist too. I do not believe in heaven or hell so to say but I do think that in some cases there is something akin to an after life or other plane of existence that most everyone does not become a part of unless they have really horrible deaths or the area is psychically charged.

Either way I have seen too many weird things on Ghost Hunters, GHI, Destination Truth, and Fact or Faked to be able to claim that ghosts, spirits, and demons do not exist but their existence does not prove by association of the religious view of afterlife either; example no religousized (yes I just made that word up) Gods.

@frez - that is your opinion... i have been in a house with someone walking upstairs, we could hear them cross the kitchen floor and go down the hall, after the third time the homeowner went to check. it was then i found out its a daily occurrence... another time, an uncle had passed, three people (me being one, and the three were the closest to him) were all awoken at the time of his death and saw him wearing what he was buried in standing in the corner at peace. the next day we were all like, did you get a visit? the time we woke was the actual time of his death too, call it whatever you want, i know what i saw and its the same thing two others saw

@geowil - any christian can tell you the good book is flawed as it has been translated by man, king james for example changed quite a few words (for example, one word meant woman or whore, they were all changed to whore). my opinion is there is a life after death, someone has to be in charge... this too take it as you want

Hi Dave,

I do agree that specific "versions" of the Bible are flawed in their translation of the original message contained within, though no version or translation can capture the meaning of the original text 100%. For more accuracy, it is best to cross-reference different translations. Of course, the "mud in the water" from all of the differing beliefs among disparate "Christian" faiths doesn't help anything either. All the same, I feel like there is truth to be found out there if one is looking.

Regarding unexplained experiences -

My grandmother's house had similar issues, to the point that my sister refused to stay there at night anymore. One night, they heard footsteps that walking through the house into the room and stopped at the bed. Another night, the stereo in the room, though unplugged, came on full blast. The TV would go on and off occasionally. Weird stuff like that.

A family who were friends of ours moved into a new house. One night they heard weird noises coming from the basement, and upon investigation, all of the pool balls were floating in the air. Shortly after they turned the lights on, they all crashed to the ground.

Another friend used to experiment with Oija boards until the answers to her questions got a little too weird and a little too real. She burned it.

I have heard accounts from friends of those who were directly attacked by spirits, some very violently, some even sexually. Sex and violence seems to be the common theme for the personality of these spirit creatures. Many former (and current for that matter) fortune tellers, spirit mediums, witch doctors, Satan worshippers, "Christians" who "get the spirit", and others involved with occult practices can tell you stories of their own experiences that would make your hair stand up. This stuff is real, no doubt about it.

These spirits are nothing more than cowards who like to bully the innocent and mislead humans by masquerading as things they are not. They are nothing particularly special, and soon enough, their end will come. As the verses I cited from Revelation above say, "The devil came down having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time".

Of course, the existence of creatures in another realm calls into question the purely materialistic interprettation of the universe by scientists. There is more there than can be seen, felt, or measured.

Hey Will

thanks for sharing! i dated someone who had similar experiences with a quigi board and have heard hundreds of stories about them. to me the non believers are the ones who have no experiences. they say we learn the truth and gain all the knowledge in the universe upon death, so i guess we all are going to have to wait to find out if that is even true.

but for now, i choose to keep an open mind and let others choose their own path

be well

There was a seed a while ago that asked people to relate their own ghost stories and it was quite an interesting read.

I've had a few experiences with ghosts over the years. Most recently was a couple of years ago in our current home. We didn't think there were any spirits here; neither my husband nor myself every got the feeling of it like we had in some homes past. Until one night, as I tucked my then four-year-old son into bed, I noticed the silhouette of a tall man walk out of his wall and across his bedroom. Let me tell you, it was difficult not to choke while singing his lullaby. Besides once in childhood, it's the only time I've seen a human apparition (my husband and I separately saw one of a white cat in our old house). A minute or so later, my son, whose back I was rubbing, lifted his head from his pillow and asked why there was a man in his room. Freaked me out, let me tell you. (ah-um, it's just us here, honey) While his delayed reaction had stood out in my memory, I didn't realize until thinking about it a few months ago that the man must have still be in the room. My aunt, while on an overnight visit, saw the man in our living room a couple of weeks later. The next day, while my son was at pre-k, I "had a talk" with the ghosts (meaning I spoke out loud to an empty house) that they weren't to let anyone here know they were around. I'm okay with their being here, I'm not okay with them creeping me out, lol. A year or so later, a man and woman had part of an inaudible conversation in my ear a couple of times, and my mom saw something weird when she was here for a visit, again in the living room, but she won't tell me what. I had another talk with whomever and it's been quiet since. Let's hope it stays that way.

I'm okay with their being here, I'm not okay with them creeping me out, lol. A year or so later, a man and woman had part of an inaudible conversation in my ear a couple of times, and my mom saw something weird when she was here for a visit, again in the living room, but she won't tell me what. I had another talk with whomever and it's been quiet since. Let's hope it stays that way.

If you knew who they really are, I am not so sure you would be as OK with it. If they were really kind and benevolent creatures, why do they have to resort to creeping you out all the time? Why all the mystery, cloak, and dagger?

Above, I quoted a passage from Revelation. Here are a couple of more that are applicable to the topic:

Genesis 2:7 - Adam wasn't given a soul, he BECAME a soul. The same Hebrew word also is used when referring to animals.

Ezekiel 18:4 - The soul that sins, it itself shall die. The soul is mortal and dies.

Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10 - The dead are not conscious, and when people die, the do not pass on to another realm.

John 11- The hope for the dead is to be resurrected, just like Lazarus. But for now, they are "asleep".

So, my point? These creatures in your home are not the benevolent spirits of the dead. They are pests that need to be exterminated from your home, like an infestation of roaches. They are powerful, very dangerous, and should be taken very seriously.

Will, it's apparent we have different beliefs on this particular subject. I appreciate your taking time to type all those Bible quotes; your concern for my spiritual well-being is obvious. Thank you.

Hi Nikkinala,

Not just your spiritual wellbeing, but also your physical safety. Be careful. They are not exactly what they would present themselves as being.

No one has ever been injured or killed by a ghost, spirit, or demon. Such entities exist as nothing more than imagined concepts. They can no more harm you than Batman can jump out of a comic book and punch you in the teeth.

Magic spells, prayers, and psychic abilities have all the intrinsic power of children playing make-believe. Wanting these things to be real doesn't make them so.

@zen, could be... or maybe not... i have heard of things being thrown, knocked over etc. i have seen somethings that are questionable... i cannot probe the supernatural exists, no more than you can prove it doesnt.

So who's to say!!!!

Your LSD dealer? Your psychic?

Your friend should ask the ghost to caulk her windows. They are losing money on heating and ghouling.

Yeah, these freeloading spirits should go get a job, or at least do something useful if they are going to hang out in people's houses. Moving the shades occasionally is a little - um - useless.

Why not run a vacuum occasionally? Or if they are good at making plates float around the kitchen, I bet they can load the dishwasher? How about cleaning out the fridge? If they are good at knocking towels down, I bet they are good at washing, drying, and folding them too. If they can turn lights on and off, how about turning them on every night at 8 PM when we are on vacation? Walking the dog, washing windows, bringing in the paper, cooking an occasional meal, taking out the garbage, mowing the grass, etc. I could think of a million useful things a spirit could do.

But making the shades move - pathetic and useless...

No klone, I was posting my opinion, one that I am not afraid to post my name to, unlike yourself.

Also, after even a little further research, with this case being in New Jersey, the Real Estate Disclosure laws there state that when selling a home, a haunting DOES need to be disclosed. But the real question will be if that pertains to rentals.

In regards to your insinuation that I was only looking to "b!tch at MSNBC?", this is the first time I have EVER felt compelled to respond to any post on MSNBC.

I could be mistaken, but I don't believe the investigators were hired. They are a non-profit group, and generally, these groups do not charge for an investigation.

Possibley but read their local news report on all they have spent just to stay out of the house.

Perhaps they consider it an "investment" into their future, reality show income..?? There is one that goes into haunted buildings to spend the night to report "DUDE, I kid you not, I was just touched by a person, but NOONE WAS STANDING NEXT TO ME!"

HAHAHA yes he is ridiculous! Ghost Adventures!

All I can say is this must be the first house they've lived in that's "haunted" or they wouldn't be freaking out, as long as whatever is in the house isn't hurting them I don't see the big deal, like I said in an earlier post I'm living in a house that for the first time ever isn't haunted, and it feels weird to me.

My last house was a trip, my landlords dad was haunting it, he was a mean ass, but we came to an understanding, I'll stay out of your work room you stay out of the rest of the house, and as long as I kept the house the way he wanted it we had no problems, he was actually the first ghost I was ever scared of, and when i said something to my landlord and called his father by name HE was the one who freaked out (as he never told me his father's name) all I said was you can go into Wendell's room on your own I told him I'd stay out of there. It's quite amusing when non-believers become believers.

ghost adventures is a joke, what an overactor...