The defense team for George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally shot black teen Trayvon Martin, is seeking a new judge in the case, citing an alleged conflict of interest involving her husband. NBC's Kerry Sanders reports.
Seminole County Circuit Judge Jessica Recksiedler took herself off George Zimmerman's second-degree murder case on Wednesday because of a possible conflict of interest.
The new judge on the case is Judge Kenneth Lester Jr., a 15-year veteran who has heard death penalty cases, the Orlando Sentinel reported.
Zimmerman, 28, is charged with second-degree murder for fatally shooting Trayvon Martin, 17, during a scuffle in a gated community in Sanford, Fla.
Zimmerman, a block watch volunteer, has pleaded not guilty, claiming it was self-defense.
The killing of Martin on Feb. 26, and a long delay in an arrest or charges in the case, sparked protests across the nation as well as emotionally charged debate about race relations and self-defense laws.
Martin is black, and Zimmerman is white and Hispanic.
Special Prosecutor Angela Corey ordered Zimmerman’s arrest and filed charges last week. Recksiedler was assigned to the case at that time.
With all the media coverage surrounding the Trayvon Martin case, many are asking if it will be possible for George Zimmerman to have a fair trial. The defense in the case has asked for the judge to be removing because of a potential conflict of interest. Trayvon Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, along with their attorney Benjamin Crump talk with Rev. Al Sharpton.
Recksiedler is on a temporary assignment for the Florida Supreme Court.
Zimmerman is being held in Seminole County Jail while he awaits a bail hearing, scheduled for Friday. That hearing will decide if Zimmerman will be released on bail pending trial, and the amount of money he would need to post.
“The goal is to have a new judge in place in order to make that hearing,” Michelle Kennedy, court spokeswoman, told msnbc.com on Wednesday.
Zimmerman’s defense attorney, Mark O'Mara, on Monday requested that Recksiedler surrender the case because of a conflict of interest. Her husband is a partner in a law firm that includes Mark NeJame, an attorney who provides on-air analysis of the case for CNN. Zimmerman’s family also had approached NeJame about representing him, but NeJame declined.
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Judge Jessica Recksiedler...
I applaud your decision to recuse yourself. This has been a media circus from the beginning, and would only drag you into the show.
Now if we can only get ol Teddy Nugent to step aside...
Oh wait, they're addressing that even as we speak. I see a yellow streak running down Ramney's back...
Let's just hope this doesn't happen too many times. There are many people who would hate for this to be a mistrial.
Wait a minute, that yellow streak is Seamus on Ramney's head... Shame on you Ramney for setting Seamus on your head for cover. (Wagging my finger) Bad Ramney, bad bad bad...
Wrong site for your posts LouisJ-Try and stay on topic???
I'm amused at the fact that NeJame declined the case and to comment. Something that make's you wanna say ummm?
By the way Skrewworld, is that your only reason for posting on this vine, because you saying that makes you just as odd as LouiseJ. No offense
Good to see there are still some people in high places who possess real morals. I wish that could be said of the average American politician...
Please note, I stayed neutral with regard to political affiliation...
my2cent$--LOL--OR she thought that no matter HOW this case comes out, the JUDGE will be crucified by the other side. And took the opportunity to DUMP this hot potato of a case.
OR, it occurred to here that he hubby being a 'mouthpiece' for a NEWS (I use that term VERY loosely, BTW) group would be FAR more lucrative than any bennie she might get from this case?
@ MOmaid - possibly true on both counts.
Regardless, maybe the current SCOTUS could take a cue...
How can you be so stupid? You must really work at it.
MSNBC...it's about a...heat pack'n over zealous neighbor hoody watch guy...who needs a judge to see it his way...
she should have recused herself immediately, voluntarily and before the defense attorney was forced into makig the motion.
I hope she doesn't excuse herself. shes kinda cute for an older broad. I'd tap that.
under the code of judicial conduct, she had no choice, now let's get to the pre hearing, and see what the evidence is, if the State does not have a ace up their sleeve, the new Judge may dismiss the entire case, failure to bring the case to a grand jury, is going to weigh heavily against the State.
So true. Way better looking than any Kenneth Lester Jr. I've ever seen. The trial just got a little less interesting.
If NeJame already publicly commented on details of the case, it would be a conflict of interest for him to be the defendants lawyer. Seems to me if you are two degrees of separation from someone who has an opinion about the case and that is grounds for recusal, being zero degrees separated from it would also keep you away from being involved in the case.
Win or lose, whoever defends him will come out ahead.
If I were the judge, I would take any opportunity to get out of hearing the case. The public has already decided this man is guilty. The state laws say he is not. If Zimmerman loses, the precedent is set that while the state law says you can defend yourself, you are still at risk of going to jail for it if race is involved. If he wins, the judge will be publicly torn apart. It is a lose/lose situation for the judge. The best place to be in this trial is at home watching it on tv.. the winners here will be the lawyers, as usual.
I notice that msnbc is still making sure they say GZ is white first hispanic second.Can I be a white/asian the Kahns soldiers dropped a few genes in my pool.
This case reeks with problems. Some serious legal minds are saying the indictment by the prosecutor is poorly written and that many judges would not accept it. If the new judge says bad work, the judge will send the case to a grand jury to review. Reminds me of what happens when you send someone on a job that they really don't want to do.
Remember, Zimmerman was released and there was no clear communication to say he would be indicted. I'm suspicious that there really wasn't enough evidence to bring a conviction. This latest event is making me believe that there is not enough evidence and Zimmerman is now a target of appeasement.
he will not get a fair trial no matter what because of all the media hype on this case. everyone thinks hes guilty even before the trial starts. its a waste of money doing the trial because i can almost bet anything that he will be found guilty
Casey Anthony? OJ Simpson? What were those verdicts?
db akron; Under Fla. law, the judge cannot have a case sent to a grand jury, without the prosecutors consent; I do agree with you, it should have been sent to the grand Jury from the start; only reason not to, is the Prosecutor knows to much of the evidence has been discussed in the open, and she could not count on the grand jury returning a charge.
Just for once it would be nice if the news was reported as it should be. WHAT was the conflict of interest? Or is that irrelevant? I don't think so and was the crux of the biscuit.
From the article above, if you read it; "Her husband is a partner in a law firm that includes Mark NeJame, an attorney who provides on-air analysis of the case for CNN".
gooddoctor you had to read the end of the story to get the so called conflict of interest. The story could have just been the first and last paragraph.
Gooddoctor, reading comprehension is a valuable skill. Learn it.
It's stated in the last part of the article...I quote "Her husband is a partner in a law firm that includes Mark NeJame, an attorney who provides on-air analysis of the case for CNN. Zimmerman’s family also had approached NeJame about representing him, but NeJame declined."
Just once why don't you read the whole article instead of asking dumb questions.
I agree with gooddoctor. The explanation is hidden in the very last sentence of the story, instead of upfront where it should be. Most people don't read entire articles. That's nothing to be ashamed or ridiculed about. It's the way news stories are intended to be read. Newswriters know this fact which is why they are supposed to put the important details (who, what, and WHY) right up front instead of burying them as this article does. Additionally, I still don't quite understand why exactly this constitutes a conflict of interest. This article needs a rewrite.
Uhhhh, it says right in the article.
Mainly, she would/could be exposed to information she should not hear until the case has its actual hearing.
The story is poorly constructed. It should have lead with the conflict of interest not added it as an afterthought.
Journalism is a dying science.
"Most people don't read entire articles"
Problem #1
Agree with Mj on journalism becoming a dying "science". More stories are now poorly contructed, with more grammatical errors...and certainly NOT impartial like they were supposedly educated for them to be!
It's a real shame, because they influence many.... there are not so many who bother to research them out for accuracy!
"Gooddoctor" You have hit on the key point, there is no real conflict of interest. However, in the case of judges, the standard is supposed to be that a judge should consider recusal if there is even "the appearance" of impropriety or partiality. In this case, it is a little silly to expect that the judge's husband actually knew of every case that each of his partners had turned down, and next that the decision could have any real impact on the judge. But this is a very high profile case and no one wants to make any mistake.
What this is really about is the same type of lawyer strategy we saw in the Casey Anthony matter. The defense lawyer throws up a lot of smoke and tries to sway public opinion and confuse the issue. THEN the same lawyer complains about public bias based partly upon controversies that the lawyer created. You recall the news story about "it will be difficult for Zimmerman to get a fair trial" a few days ago? Do you recall who was behind the story? Yes, defense counsel. So you see my point. We will probably soon hear that a bunch of thugs attacked Zimmerman and then they mysteriously "disappeared" after Zimmerman shot what he thought was one of them. We will probably hear other fabricated stories about how Zimmerman was abused as a child, etc, etc. Defense counsel will tell any lie that he can imagine and that the judge will let him get away with. Now that he has been successful in getting a judge removed, he probably believes he has the upper hand. Hopefully, the Chief judge will appoint a replacement that is hard nosed and would be more strict than the judge that was taken off the case. Defense counsel needs to be put in check, or it really WILL become a circus.
Maybe he read it and didn't see the reason as being worthy of being called a "conflict of interest". I don't see it as one, but better to avoid a mistrial on this guy.
I agree with your comments. That said, it is better to declare a conflict of interest early in the process rather than have a new judge appointed halfway through the process and to waste more taxpayers' money appointing a new judge that will, of course, have to begin the process again! Processes!!!!
Actually you didn't need this story to say it, it's been stated many times before on the news and in other articles. I figured she would step aside because of that.
I'm with gooddoctor on this one. This conflict of interest is totally manufactured. It just shows the Zimmerman defense realizes they don't have a defense. They'll be pulling pranks like this all trial long! I just hope it doesn't work because Zimmerman is an excellent example of people who are too dumb to be legally allowed to pack, and he should be made an example of.
A good lawyer will do everything possible to give his/her client the best landscape possible. We would all want that for ourselves.
I personally haven't gotten over the threats from the New Black Panthers and the follow up by Mike Tyson that endorsed the need to have a vigilante group go after Zimmerman and anything less is an embarrassment. No threat there.
Underground Sanity2-You surely do have a rich rantasy life. Have you ever considered becoming a writer of (fiction) crime novels???
What ever happened to the first rule of journalism? Who,What. When, Where and Why in the first paragraph. These people need to demand a refund from their journalism schools or maybe we should because we are the ones who have to read it.
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Can't argue that. I got nothin!
Good point!
It's right there in the article.....
"Zimmerman’s defense attorney, Mark O'Mara, on Monday requested that Recksiedler surrender the case because of a conflict of interest. Her husband is a partner in a law firm that includes Mark NeJame, an attorney who provides on-air analysis of the case for CNN. Zimmerman’s family also had approached NeJame about representing him, but NeJame declined."
Ugh, why don't you just keep this crap outta your stories?
"Martin is black, and Zimmerman is white and Hispanic"
Martin was a person, Zimmerman is a person.
Hate mongers.
All I can say is WTF???????????????????????????????
Ugh, why don't you just keep this crap outta your stories?
"Martin is black, and Zimmerman is white and Hispanic"
Because it's relevant.
Do you seriously believe that if Trayvon Martin looked like Alex P. Keaton, he'd be dead right now?
Alex P. Keaton is Canadian so we really don't know the answer to that!
On another note Dick Clark has just passed away. He's been around longer than Trayvon and george put together!! May Trayvon and Dick rest in peace!
I don't know Ron, why would I guess he's dead because of the way he looked?
Ron-Don't you get tired of trying to make this about race??? It wouldn't have mattered if Martin was purple it still would have played out the same way. Zimmerman wasn't out looking for a black child. He saw a person of adult size who looked suspious as he was wandering about it appeared to him without a good reason. Z was asked by the 911 operator the race of the person he was viewing, the media made the issue of the hoodie a big deal, and the media and people like you are resposible for keeping the race issue alledgedly "relevant"!!!. You really haven't got the first clue what was going thru Z's mind that night but you sure like to think you do!!! Deosn't anyone remember one of the orignal stories where Z's mom stated that Georges biological dad is peruvian the same as her and that Z Sr. is his step father???? Martin could have looked like Alex P. Keaton or the Fresh Prince of Belaire, the outcome would have been the same. It's time to stop the racismn against Zimmerman just becasue he is NOT black and Martin is. The media needs to STOP constantly referring to these two individuals COLOR and make it about what it is. Both these young men could have and should have done things differently, Martins dad as well by keeping him home and grounded for his suspensions. Coulda, shoulda, woulda, if, if, if. To late to change it now. Time to stop arguing about it in the media and on the internet and let the courts resolve this and ALL need to respect the legal outcome no matter which way the verdict lands without violence and rioting!!!!!!
"white and hispanic". does anyone ever refer to Obama as "white and black"? Nope. Then why does the media keep saying it about Zimmerman? Inflammatory media sensationalism. the media is the reason racism is still alive in this country. most of us don't care what color someone is!
Wait. Who is Alex P. Keaton?
Once again Skrewdworld NO OFENSE
However!!! you should make a great witness being the fact you where there that night when it happened ...Right? I bet all your "facts" that your ranting about came from the Media?..... I win!!
Alex P. Keaton was a character played by Michael J. Fox on the 80s sitcom, Family Ties. He was a "young republican" teen, whose parents were two hippies.
@ raddave44 Thanks for the overview, and of course Michael J is Canadian. $hit like this never happens here... God save the Queen
fnkheehaw -
Who will be spinning the records at Dick Clark's funeral? Have you heard anything yet?
Many posts here illustrate that "journalism" today is a dying art/science...like some posts above referred to.
Aren't they taught anymore to be IMPARTIAL???? Irresponsible "journalism" by the MSM is becoming another American joke..but it's actually tragic because it influences so many...that don't research it for accuracy.
I never used to see such opinionated articles take such blatantly biased stands! NOT good.
I overlooked part of the sentence before that - it actually was relevant to the story, my bad.
But I do get sick of hearing race this and race that. I hear just as many white people saying black people are racist as black people saying white people are racist. That's just an example - it crosses all races. It's sickening that civility in our world has progressed so much, and such minor differences in bodily appearance generates so much hatred. Appearance is completely meaningless. Black, white, overweight, shaved head, long hair, tatoos, big feet, big ears - it's all meaningless. OK well, it should be, anyway.
Overweight is where I draw the line.
Is Obama zebra-like? Checkerboard like Ralston? Why does race enter into any of this stuff? 150 years ago 6 or 7 percent of the country died to eradicate this racial differentiating. Why does it continue? Why is that guy in Florida who is being considered for veep always identified as Hispanic? Why is Martin always identified as being black? Why is Zimmerman always identified as Peruvian/white? Racial characteristics only should matter for police and armed forces identification along with perhaps anonymous public health statistics. Otherwise, can the concept.
Shaved head, tats and obesity just ruin so many wedding pictures. There is a time and a place for most everything but some things don't have either.
War is futile. It was as pointless 150 years ago as it is now.
Finkheehaw-I guess you decided that the two of us were in a contest of who's right, who's wrong. Since you were the only one playing then I will concede the "win" to you. I expressed my opinions, nothing more nothing less. It's terribly sad and what the biggest problem with this case is. People like you needing to play a game, to win and be right!!!! If it means that much to you than I would think you have a pretty sorry life. Too bad you didn't take anything I said to heart, never said I witnessed anything, but why bother to even defend my self against you, not worth wasting the posting space. Take your game and your "WIN" and I think you have a pretty good idea what you can do with it. Your world is indeed screwed and skewed. Bye-Bye.
Well if as a previous poster stated GZ's biological father is Peruvian then he is Hispanic period. So in the interest of honesty it should be stated that way. But that wouldn't make a good story.
lonereb
I could be wrong here but I thought his father was German and mother Peruvian.
I think the race is only mentioned because all the hubbub about race being a factor in this case.
I'd argue that race did indeed play a role, because regardless of how 'tolerant' someone thinks they are, a person's skin color influences someone's perception. It can't be helped in a country culturally divided in so many places along ethnic lines.
I'd also argue that if it was a white kid, Zimmerman would have not been suspicious of him. Also, the cops would have reacted and investigated differently because instead of assuming Trayvon was some street thug that didn't belong there and sticking him with a John Doe tag, they would have assumed he was from the neighborhood.
Skrewdworld
As long as you know I win!!!! it's really all that matters to me in life is that I beat you.... Really.
lonereb
I assert the published story had neither a place for Zimmerman's race nor for Martin's race. Those who publish the news, be they either the publishers of paper or electronic media, emphasized each guy's race simply to generated the emotions causing some to have ranted about this for weeks. This is what publishers like; a story that has gotten legs, will go on for months and has one of a number of endings, and each possible ending will upset at least some. We, you, I, all the posters, have been and are being used.
Finkeheehaw-Well isn't that just special?!?!
BTW-Did you give yourself a thumbs up?
Is it just me or are all Jessicas hot?
Imagine how ugly Sarah Jessica Parker would be if not for her middle name...
I know one that is about 5'10, weighs in around 350, and drools....can I fix you up?
I dont know about all jessicas...
but this one sure is.
Morons.
well boy's ...a woman like that...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0fQLSqWKNA
@gooddoctor Not quite sure if there has been a revision to the story since you read it but the conflict was listed in the last 3 sentences. Her husband, Mark NeJame, is a partner in a law firm and also provides on commentary on CNN. Zimmerman's family also approached him prior to getting his current attorney to represent him. The caption under her photo also mentions that it had to do with her husband.
Her husband WORKS with Nejame, nejame isn't the husband.
SCOTUS could take a lesson, this was a partner of her husband. She probably could have ruled fairly but to remove ANY doubt on the fairness of the judicary she recused herself.
Well if you want SCOTUS to be fair then 5 judges have to recuse because they are conservative and 4 have to recuse because they are liberal and the Court can take a long vacation.
If I ever have to court, I hope the judge looks as good as this one.
I had jury duty last year and she ran the jury pool. These pics do NOT do her justice.
Good move by the defense. Good that the judge recognized the need for her to recuse herself. System is working like it should.
Proper move by the judge. I'm sure she could have been impartial and unbiased, but even the appearance of impropriety would not do well with this trial.
Ms. Recksiedler was judge of her own situation. We outsiders really can't guess, or ask, why she chose as she did nor what she considered in making here choice. I trust she gave it all careful thought and I accept her decision as the proper one. Even if I felt otherwise, my opinion doesn't count.
This judges knows she does not want to be part of this fiasco. She knows NOT GUILTY will start a stampede.
And just why will it start a stampede???? Becasue racists want the outcome they want and won't settle for anything less???? Yes, blacks can and are predjuidiced about this "white, Hispanic" and want him dead or suffering for a lifetime and want that regardless of what the legal outcome is. Anyone "stampeding" after the verdict of "not guilty" better be prepared to go straight to jail. What's wrong with people?? Doesn't Martins parents and Sharpton keep saying they want "peace and calm"??? At least that is what they said in the video of Sharptons show that I watched this afternoon. If the parents want "peace and calm" why should anybody stampede????????
The Banker--AND, if she had done any studying of the 'facts', she also probably knows that is the likely outcome.
Well for some reason my mixed family can't seem to understand why after sending me 6 copies of the same anti-white racist trash I'm a little upset. I got the message they didn't know they were sending loud and clear. For the rest of you in mixed families when sending anti-white racist trash don't tag your white cousin 6 times in one day.
Way to bury the lead. I had to read all the way to very last sentence in the story to find out WHAT the conflict of interest is. Surely that is more relevant to the headline than "Martin is black, and Zimmerman is white and Hispanic," which was stated 5 paragraphs earlier. What happened to the inverted-pyramid model of news writing?
they'd actually have to have gone to school for news writing to understand. this is the internet. some 12 year old living in his mother's basement probably put together this story.
there are no professionals left in the world. everything is a kludge.
Cameron--the deal is, it's just like the headlines the media put up on the front page of the news site such as :
Hall of famer dies.
the POINT is to make you read the whole story, which keeps you on the site longer, enabling the subliminal effect of the ads to work.
And BTW--JOURNALISM has nothing to do with how "news" organizations work today. NEITHER does professionalism.
MOmaid: The REAL point here is: Too many people DON'T read the whol story...they "skim" now, a FACT of life today!!! ( Too many stories, too little time, or interest...technology has short-cutted everything).
The "journalists" know this...they are NOT a responsible breed anymore like in the past.
This article, like so many MSM ones, especially lately from MSNBC, etc... IS poorly constructed.
MSNBC Also has a habit of putting new informaton in a story without updating the title or otherwise noting changes unless you go back from time to time to review info you might never know. For example the day Martins mom stated she thought it was an accident than a short time later changed her story to believing it was 1st degree murder. However, on this story the info was there just at the end of the story that was poorly written in the 1st place, but most of the stories here are written badly. Everybody skims sometimes and unfortunately you some times miss facts when you do so. So man yof the "real" reporters are passing away, Mike Wallace the most recent. Lots' of well known Americans besides reporters. Sad to hear about Dick Clark. As the older generations pass doesn't seem like the newer generation has much of a group of reporters etc.. that will have name recognition and respect for 30, 40, 50 years plus. Thats a shame.
MO there is nothing subliminal about the ads. You are just paranoid.
msnbc articles are poorly consructed and Lord help us if their editors get ahold of them then they are worse.
I find it rather strange that the author of this piece described Zimmerman as "white and Hispanic" when Zimmerman was reported earlier as a self-described "Hispanic" who was a registered Democrat. I guess they just had to throw the "white" part in because he has one white parent and one Hispanic parent. President Obama has one black parent and one white parent and is self-described as "Black" and it get's reported as such. I wonder why the double standard? Perhaps the media believes it was the "white" half of him that was responsible for shooting Trayvon?
You're wondering why the President of the United States and someone who murdered an innocent kid in cold blood are held to different standards?
Glad to know this bothers someone else as much as it bothers me. Many other articles I've read simply state "white hispanic" (huh??? No such thing!).
The media loves to inflame discord amongst people. They should be ashamed.
White/Caucasian is a race. Hispanic is an ethnicity.
Zimmerman is a white Hispanic.
Cameron-the post wasn't about standards, it was about being bi-racial. Learn to comprehend what you read and you'll be better informed.
Nah-the media believes it is a more titillating story if it was a WHITE man who shot Trayvon.
Never mind the facts.
Bill, because the initial police reports and subsequent media reports listed Zimmerman as a white male. And there is no such race as "Hispanic."
So does that make Obama white african?
raddave44
Tell that to the Hispanics and Latinos.
trust, even they know that.
According to a previous poster he isn't white at all and Zimmerman is his stepfather. I wish I knew where to find the article that his mother said that in.
I had the story saved on favorites for awhile but deleted after about 2 weeks, can't remember the title but it was there.
Heck, I'd be looking for a reason, any reason, to keep myself as far from this circus as possible.
Listen up folks...The "stand your ground" law will apply to the last 90 seconds of this tragedy, and trust me, law enforcement knows this. As night-watchman Zimmerman had all legal rights to pursue, "profile" and ultimately question Trayvon (armed or unarmed). Trayvon also had all legal rights to "stand his ground" and respond or not respond to Zimmerman (armed, unarmed, Skiddles or no Skiddles, 17yo or 70yo, hoodie or no hoodie). Before this turned into a race baiting political campaign circus from Obama on down, local law enforcement must have believed that within the last 90 seconds Trayvon chose to assault Zimmerman rather than simply explaining who he was and why he was there. If Zimmerman "reasonably" expresses he was in fear of great bodily harm or death as a result of this assault, he's a free man. It's appalling this has turned into "mob rule" forcing the illegal overthrow of this great law. Trust me, if the pre-trial judge is not politically biased and does the right thing, he will throw it out and it will never see a jury. Sadly for Zimmerman, he was unjustly jailed and now forced to allow the "mob" to calm down before his release. After the real truth and "justice" comes out, let's see how the mob responds. BTW, be prepared for this same "mob" when Obama loses the election.
@ TryTakingMyMoney:
If I understand you, you correctly recognize that the Florida law, as written, allows a Zimmerman to pursue an innocent Martin, giving Martin the right to respond with force, which in return gives Zimmerman now the right to use force. And yet you call this a "great law."
It is anything but a great law. You want to talk about mob rule? If word of this gets out, the divorce rate in Florida will drop to zero. Invest in the funeral business now, my man, it's going to be hot!
@trytakingmymoney
"As night-watchman Zimmerman..."
Where do you get he was a night watchman? He was a neighborhood watch volunteer, a position that conveys no legal authority with it.
I'm not going to bother discussing any of the other stuff you posted.
WOW are you ever wrong.
First off
ONLY THE POLICE have the Legal right to pursue, "profile" and ultimately question.
Private citizens and self appointed crime watch captains DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to stop, pursue or profile. As a matter of fact even the police DO NOT have the right to profile in the United States.
Get your facts straight, if facts even matter to you ...
GET YOUR SLANDER IN ORDER!
I hope you are right TryMakingMyMoney
Look at it logically instead of emotionally.
With the break-ins that occurred in the neighborhood he sees a suspicious person. Zimmerman calls 911. When asked for 'race'...it's obvious he didn't know for sure at first....no racial profiling.
Now, did Zimmerman confront Martin or keep his distance merely to be able to give an approximate location to police? Did Martin jump Zimmerman? I don't have enough facts to make that determination but based on the need for 'treatment' at the scene by paramedics...I believe Martin got the upper hand at some point. There are allegedly witnesses that state Martin was on top of Zimmerman. The big question is during the scuffle...did Martin see Zimmerman's weapon and go for it? If so, at that point any person would fear for their life. It goes from following a 'suspicious person' to assault to Martin getting shot. We know Zimmerman followed and Martin was shot...it's the in between that's fuzzy.
A person who was robbed chased the robber and stabbed him to death...SYG applied. He had the right to go after his property. Is your property worth a life? Florida really needs to review the SYG law.
really you don't want to see how the so call "mob'' will react What if Trayvon was your child, brother, uncle or nephew will you still feel the same way think about I am sick and tried of people thinking that it is okay to shoot and kill innocent kids. If Iwas a violent person I would relocated to Florida so I could go on a shooting spree and claim "stand your ground law" and take a wild guess on whom my targets would be
Zimmerman was not a night watchman. He was part of the Neighborhood watch. Which does not give anyone the right to pursue, profile, and question anyone. The local law enforcement did not buy Zimmerman's charges and recommended a manslaughter charge be brought against Zimmerman, the local prosecutor denied this request.
It does not matter if there had been 1000 breakins in the last week. That is NO Justification for placing all the blame on an innocent young mans shoulders.
The subtly of racism in this country NEVER fails to amaze me.
CMS--and YET, in this same neighborhood, a woman with a small baby looked out her front door and saw a man she didn't recognize, so didn't answer the door, only to hear ANOTHER person at the back door who actually broke in. BOTH thugs chased her all the way to her bedroom, (where she had locked herself and baby) and ONLY left (taking many valuables) when they heard sirens.
That woman, IF she had had a gun, would have been, IN MY OPINION, a perfect example of 'stand your ground' being needed. SHE should not have had to retreat to her bedroom, and still afraid for her life.
She should instead, have been able to RACK her shotgun and shout thru the front door that she had NO problems shooting them.
And I'll BET they wouldn't have broken in.
Zimmerman was in his OWN neighborhood. Martin was NOT. As you said, we don't KNOW all the facts, but the very fact that after 5 hours of interviews, the cops RELEASED Zimmerman tells me that THEY believed his story, or at least that 'innocent until proven guilty' meant that he could NOT be proven guilty.
"the cops RELEASED Zimmerman tells me that THEY believed his story"
The police wanted to charge Zimmerman that night, and were overruled by the DA, who wanted more evidence. The lead detective said he did not believe Zimmerman's story of self defense.
TTMM, you are wrong on two levels, Zimmerman's neighborhood watch association rules and the stand down the police are on their way. No felony was observed by Zimmerman nor was there a threat. The law as loosely as it is managed was record by the 911 tape. Zimmerman had a way out and did not take it.
Sorry, MissC...but I'll go by the DA's opinion for his expertise, and certainly NOT YOURS!!!! Anyday.
More evidence was apparently NEEDED, as this has proven to be a more complicated case than at first glance.
Let it be tried legally in our country by law, and not opinion...too many uneducated and unqualified ones out there!
But the statistics of venues where this law and the castle doctrine have been enacted makes them to be a great law. Street crime, car-jacking, holdups and house invasions have gone way down. Also, deaths of both officers and would-be perpetrators have gone way down. Of course, these offenses and tragedies have not disappeared, but they have declined.
Now, those who have either affection for or economic dependence on criminals obviously don't like these laws because its success causes their failure and even loss. People have to learn to trust one another. And they have to cease preying on their neighbors.
Annie, I was responding to someone who claimed the cops released Zimmerman the night of the shooting because they believed his story. That was not the case. I am unsure what you thought I meant.
I am eager for a trial, and the evidence to come out.
MissC: I understood fully that you were expressing your opinion.
No, Annie, what Missc said was fact.
tom, correlation does not equal causation. Nationally violent crimes are at their lowest in decades.
"Ah, REALLY, Raddave"?...for just about any comment you've made on this forum.
Dr Who you are wrong there have you never heard of citizens arrest? Suggest you look it up. The gateway bull 911 are you following him GZ yes 911 we don't need you to do that GZ OK Now prove that AFTER GZ said OK he still followed TM not BEFORE.
Pale skinned males need to stop protecting people who really have contempt for them - in all areas of our society. I've said in prior posts that if there are a majority of white women and minorities on the jury - Z-man is cooked. I'll put $100 on it. These guys need to use their heads and only expose themselves to risk if they are monetarily compensated. I bet you the residents of the complex don't testify in his defense. They're not that stupid. This guy is expendable.
What would the residents testify to? They didn't see anything so any testimony in regards to the crime. He chose to volunteer as a neighborhood watch person and he overstepped his bounds. If the evidence (all of it not just what the DA decided upon) shows that he is guilty he will be convicted, if there is not enough evidence it will show he is not quilty and he will be acquited. His 911 calls show his state of mind and that will be part of the evidence.
Testify to his character. Even after he was trying to perform duties as their neighborhood watch. My point exactly - they won't know him.... Foolish pale skinned male (unpaid also).
If I were a judge I wouldn't touch this. Both sides have already made up their minds without knowing the law or the facts. If Zimmerman is convicted one part of the population will be elated. If not they will claim the trial was not without prejudice. I just wouldn't hear it. The only reason to be involved in this case is that it is so high profile it is going to be like the OJ Simpson trial. If the prosecutor cannot show compelling proof that convicts Zimmerman then she will be the next Marcia Clark. If she does she will look great. Either way it is a circus. By the way Clark did very well with her notoriety even though her only claim to fame is that she lost the case of the "century" (which is now this one)
I bet she's happy that she got asked to recuse herself. The judge in this cases can't win.
Good point! Perhaps that's why she immediately notified both sides of the possible conflict of interest.
Judge Lance Ito made out pretty well from the O.J. Simpson trial.
Good looking judge. Shame we won't be seeing more of her.
No thanks.
Martin was American and young. Zimmerman is a murderer, criminal and jailed.
Justmy53andme
Just what nationality do you feel George is? He hasn't been convicted of murder so that title doesn't fit.
And just what citizenship does GZ have? I've never heard of the country Murder little bias there.
It isn't surprising that MSM continues to focus on race.
One would think that this article would explain how a conflict of interest may or may not have an effect on this case. You know, focus on the given facts of the recusal. Give the leading facts, the judge gave the information to the prosecution and the defense. The defense requested the recusal.
Nah...why give facts and educate the public when it's more fun to feed a frenzy.
Race sells and we will all pay for their focus on it. I'm already pissed at my family for anti-white racist trash they sent me forgetting I guess that I am white.
I believe Zimmerman will be convicted when the truth is heard.
Nah--you believe that Zimmerman will be convicted if the truth is DISCOUNTED.
This new judge will dismiss the charges and Zimm will walk....you need to trust me on this.
Nissan
I'll make you a deal. I'll believe you without doubt if you can provide proof that this is a guarantee.
In my opinion, it's best to let the system doing it's thing and just wait for the outcome instead of jumping to conclusions on information that is only partially shared. None of us knows the full story nor what evidence the prosecutors gathered for this case.
This man will never get a fair trial. He has already been convicted by Sharpten , Jackson and the media as being a racist killer.
Bring in all the judges you want. No amount of legal proof of his innocence will "unconvict " him by predudice media and publicity hounds. They need a scapegoat for a young man's bad choices and consequences.
There won't be a trial. He will be granted immunity under stand your ground. Mr. Zimmerman can then proceed to sue all those that have slandered him and purposely "doctored" the 911 tapes. The special prosecutor is a shrewd, calculating person that would like to be elected again. She probably went for the high charge of 2nd degree murder to temporarily quiet the masses, knowing full well that that charge would never stick. Where is the outrage about the young couple (Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome) from Knoxville, TN that were carjacked, tortured, killed and discarded like garbage by 5 thugs. Don't hear much about that.
There will be a trial. The SYG law is his defense. He has to prove self defense. He just can't say it was and get immunity.
I fully agree with you - he will never get a fair trial no matter what is presented as evience or not. Sharpten , Jackson, NAACP, and other racist blacks have the poor guy judged already.
Why no media coverage across the nation about the black lady that just shot and killed the white lady (7 shots) and stole her 3 day old baby in Spring Texas?? Why do we not see Sharpchit & Jackass making speeches about this black on white cold blooded shooting??? Where is the NAACP to request a full investigation and hold this black b&*^h guilty to the fullest extent of the law. Why is not Obama making statements that this poor white mom could be like his daughter?? WHY - because this is a black on white racist country and the whites are afraid to stand up for our rights.
Cowboy, I have read at least three articles on here about the mom killing/baby kidnapping case in the last 18 hours. Been reported on my local news here as well, and I live by Chicago.
Yeah, totally no media coverage...
I consider myself a well-informed person, researching more than "local" news everyday... who has heard NOTHING about this, and many other cases far worse than this RACE-BAITING one with a black victim and a non-black defendant.
MissC: Your world is apparently very limited and small, as the narrow point-of-view shows in your posts.
Not to say you are alone in this.........!
Cowboycjn-I only saw one news story on the mom with a 3 day old being shot and the baby kidnapped. The media gave NO details at all on the shooter. Didn't even state her race but posters on that story had said she was black. The only way it would get as much attention as this case would for the roles to have been reversed. White shooter, black victim. But Sharpton and the boys are already busy on TM/GZ so I guess it's a good thing the shooter killing the new mom was black not white. How would the racist organizatons juggled the 2 cases?? I'm on west coast so get news later here though.
Annie, I was making the point that the story about the mother who was killed, and her three day old baby kidnapped, had gone national. The incident took place in Texas, yet was reported on my local news here in Chicago. Cowboycjn was claiming that story had received no media coverage.
Apparently you are not a well informed person if you knew nothing about that case because, if nothing else, there has been three stories posted about it on MSNCB alone. You also seem to have a reading comprehension problem. You might want to work on that is you very limited and small mind will let you.
Since I live in Texas it was covered extensively since it took hours for the police to recover little Keegan and since CPS held him overnite. It will be a capital murder case murder in commision of a felony and the driver will probably also be charged the same since the idiot after the shooting got out of the car to grab the car seat. How dang stupid can you be?