Really? One of the highest paid lobbyists in DC is working for the Moral Majority

I agree, its time to tax the Catholic and all Fundamentalist Churches, and its time to make a special Constitutional Amendment that allows the USA To back tax the Catholic and Fundamentalist back to 1776AD and also allows for the back taxing of Billionares and Trillionares... We need to get that free money that Acting President George the Lesser gave them back anyway.

And thats my opinion.

oh yes, Daniel Jenky, Resign.

Commenter: it's not revoked, because no one has the balls to stand up to the farce that is the Church. That is not an attack on Christians or any other religions, but the institutions. The fact that he could link the POTUS to those as$holes speaks volumes to his lack of understanding of what really happened to the people they murdered and oppressed in that period of time. I know other people on this vine will jump at this in agreement, but for one second...take a step back and really look at what he is comparing the POTUS to and tell me that he is correct. Yes, you will have to be objective and leave your biases at the door.

Jenky is a real dope. Fiend!

you are wrong...churches can engage in political activity.......most americans don't understand what the "separation of church and state" means.....what it really means is that the government cannot establish an official religion for our nation....it is no wonder that obama got elected with so many ill-informed citizens....

If Evolution is Just a Theory, Religion is Just an Opinion.

Can I Teach Evolution In Your Church, GOP ?

Education Cures Religious Terrorism. Let's face it ,now the Evangelical Christianity Taliban is responsible for more wars and murders than just about any other cause.... except perhaps oil.

I felt that evangelical Christianity had been "HIJACKED" by GOP tea-party. When did it become anti-feminist? When did evangelical Christianity become Anti-Gay? When did it become supportive of Capital Punishment? Pro-war? Pro-Killing.?Pro-Religion Hatred?Pro-Race Hatred? When did evangelical Christianity become so negative towards other religious groups?

But not to be call prejudice,I do believes,

There are a also group of evangelicals who would say, "Wait a minute. We're evangelicals but we want to respect other religions. We don't want to call its prophet evil. We don't want to call the religion evil. We believe that we have got to learn to live in the same world with our brothers and sisters and we want to be friends. We do not want to be in some kind of a holy war."

But sadly ,it become so rare and few.

Occasionally, though, we are stunned, sometimes traumatized, when people we have known for many years, and for whom we have entertained the highest regard, do outrageous things that seem so terribly out of character for them. What has happened? We thumb through the pages of our minds trying to make sense of seemingly senseless deeds.

Will everyone stop comparing their opponents to Hitler? People did it to Bush when he was in office, now people do it to Obama. Just stop it. It's getting old.

Well, to be fair, he was actually comparing Obama's policies to policies of these dictators, not the man to the men-- although the connotation is obviously there.

It is not revoked because it would have to go before the United States Supreme Court. It is a Constitutional issue and would require changing it. Good luck with that. The Church has no influence over the people other than it's opinion (which by the way is often at odds with God's). The people still have the power of choice and the right to vote. Those will NEVER be taken away (never say never Obama still has a chance at that). In other words if you don't like what they say ignore it. They have every right to say it...as you do. I am sure they are ignoring you. I think I will go on with my life now.

How about the government get out of the church!!!! This has to go both ways.

Mcahon, not all Christians are that way, two years ago my church had our Muslim neighbors, who were building a rec. center next door, all over for thanksgiving dinner (lunch) and let them use our church for their prayer services until they were able to get their building finished. Odd how a church in the deep south "gets it" and most who claim to be christian have no clue.

"Radical...extreme secularist agenda"

When did a secular government become extreme to the right?

@mcpaddywack

most americans don't understand what the "separation of church and state" means.....what it really means is that the government cannot establish an official religion for our nation....

You are correct... for the most part... However, here is the quote from Jeffersons letter...

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

You do need to use a bit of reading comprehension into the subtext of the letter (which could helped greatly if you know more about Jefferson, and his ideas, beliefs, etc... from other sources besides this letter).

Look closely at that 1st sentence... without the slightest hint of insulting the Baptists that he is writing to, he puts on display his disdain for organized religion...

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship..."

This is a classic example of a logical argument...
getting someone to agree with a concept,
that then follows logically to a conclusion they would have disavowed...
If you agree with "this", then logically you must agree with "that"...

What he implies is...
If you agree that religion is a matter between man and God,
and that man owes no account to others for his faith or worship,
(here, in the context of government interference),
then you logically should agree that the church should follow suit,
and not seek to come between man and his creator, as a middleman,
nor seek an accounting of someones faith.

I would add that, the GOP/Tea Party is trying very, very hard to "establish an official religion for our nation"... Anything that opposes church doctrine is denounced as unAmerican and an insulting afront to the founding fathers vision... Ridiculous.

This priest claims that...

"In clear violation of our First Amendment rights, Barack Obama, with his radical, pro-abortion and extreme secularist agenda...."

#1. Abortion is legal. It is the law of the land. To be Pro-Abortion is to be in keeping with the law... To be Anti-Abortion is to support illegal activity.

#2. The Definition of SECULAR:

1a : of or relating to the worldly or temporal , b: not overtly or specifically religious
2: not bound by monastic vows or rules; specifically : of, relating to, or forming clergy not belonging to a religious order or congregation
3a : occurring once in an age or a century, b : existing or continuing through ages or centuries, c : of or relating to a long term of indefinite duration

Secularism is by definition neither radical, nor extreme, and how he finds this to be restrictive of the 1st amendment is a mystery.

The views of organized religion, on the other hand, are almost always extreme, and radical.
I think if Jefferson knew that the Westboro baptist church would be protesting military funerals, and saying America deserves to fall and burn and be punished by God... He might have written a very different letter back then.

The Bishop needs to remember the separation of church and state, as well as use of such infamitory language, but then he is the Bishop so who will admonish him? Did any of his congreatation say or do anything about this outragious behaviour....if not they are as guilty in their collecive silance! Shame on him, shame on the diocese and shame on those of like mindedness to compare the Nazis and Stalin to our President. Enough is enough!!!!!!!!

As I understand it, churches can engage in political actions, but only if they wish to give up their tax-exempt status. They simply aren't supposed to have it both ways. Also the Catholic Church is not prohibited from providing any sort of benefits it wishes to its employees, or witholding them, but if it is providing insurance coverage to its employees, it must abide by the same laws governing insurance that other entities are required to abide by. The Church can avoid this entire problem by simply paying for the services it wishes to provide to its employees as a defined benefit, but without involving any system of "insurance." That seems to be why the Amish and other groups, both religious and sectarian, are able to avoid being included in this mandate - they provide benefits for their own people from their own resources. The Catholic Church simply wants it both ways - use the insurance industry to provide services to its employees, but not abide by the laws governing insurance programs.

From the IRS: http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=161131,00.html

"The ban on political campaign activity by charities and churches was created by Congress more than a half century ago. The Internal Revenue Service administers the tax laws written by Congress and has enforcement authority over tax-exempt organizations. Here is some background information on the political campaign activity ban and the latest IRS enforcement statistics regarding its administration of this congressional ban.

In 1954, Congress approved an amendment by Sen. Lyndon Johnson to prohibit 501(c)(3) organizations, which includes charities and churches, from engaging in any political campaign activity. To the extent Congress has revisited the ban over the years, it has in fact strengthened the ban. The most recent change came in 1987 when Congress amended the language to clarify that the prohibition also applies to statements opposing candidates."

Magnum - I agree with one caveat: ALL churches should be taxed. None should be tax exempt and all should be subject to the secular laws of the country. We should not be parsing laws to appeal to the particular religious dogma of any group.

AMEN! Great post! The truth!

No I will not stop comparing Obama to people who acted just like he does now. The Catholic church does self insure that is the problem and I would request that if you can't work within the doctrine of the church there is a public facility nearby all of you can work at. Also there are public colleges and universities you can all attend. We won't miss you.

Then why isn't he happy? The Catholic church was just fine with Hitler killing the Jews.

If this guy wants to start spouting politics from the pulpit.....we need to do two things: (1) take away this church's tax exemption; and (2) tell him to learn his history before he does more damage!! If I were a Catholic, I'd be appalled!!

Americans made a huge mistake when they let their religious beliefs get tied to religion. No one wins this way and instead of focusing on real issues, we are trying to regulate faith and morality. I thought the Republican party wanted less governmental interference in our lives, but it seems to me that they are getting a little too up close and personal for comfort. This man, and that is all he is, unless of course he is a child molestor like many Catholic priests is nothing but a hate monger and not worth any ones consideration.

That's the point. This is not a question of separation of church and state, but a question of the rules of tax exempt status. Its time to make these organizations pay their fair share of taxes from the monies they squeeze out of their faithful. Then they can call the president Stalin all that they please.

As Albert Einstein once correctly said, "religions are political establishments." Therefore it is time to end their tax exempt status, especially the Catholic church who is afforded state status on the world stage, a status which gives it the same sovereign immunity and powers of a nation. No other religion has these kinds of immunities or sovereign powers, and neither should Catholics in these post mid-evil times.

I can not understand the Tea Party and other right wingers comparing Obama to Mussolini and Hitler since both are fascist i.e. far right wing. Now Stalin I can see. So much for education in America.

Ah, the President supported the rights of employees who are either not Catholic or disagree with the Church's teachings regarding birth control to have their medical supplies covered by their insurance plans, so he's an authoritarian despot. I just wish the bodies of the priests shot dead in the streets and the burnt remains of churches would get cleaned up. And when are the numbered tattooing of crucifixes on the arms of The Faithful going to be completed? There's a lot of lions going hungry, too, let's get a move on, Barack!

They DO love to claim the persecuted victim role.

Commenter 12 -O'Bama's attack on the U.S. Constitution and the Rights of LEGAL U.S. Citizens follow the same pattern of past Socialist. His attacks on the Court System, his attempts at controlling the Press and his push for "Class Warfare" with his idea of "Redistribution of Wealth" his destruction of the U.S. Economy so the Government can "Come to the Rescue", his failure to secure our Borders from the Invasion of Illegals from Mexico. All of these actions were taken by the likes of Hitler, Stalin and dictators from history, and we all know what happened to them. O'Bama has used Churches in the past to get his messages to his "Select Groups" of Anarchist. The Bishop was giving a message to those in his Congregation, it was O'Bama that attempted to "Legislate" what the Churches could and could not support. When the Churches voiced their concerns, O'Bama backed down and changed his language. O'Bama's attempt to have the Government take over and ration Health Care is one of the most blatant attempts at the Government takeover of the whole system. Remember, Pelosi and Reid ask their fellow Democrats to pass the Bill now and read it later as O'Bama himself requested. O'Bama's Spring will be at his front door this summer and he can not control the outcome.

@Dick-2100935

I was thinking the same thing, hope I don't get collapsed as well.

They need to start by taxing Rev. Wright's church.

Where is the Anti-Defimation League when the press and TV misrepresent the Catholic Church and it's teachings? The Bishop was in no way minimalizing the terrible treatment of Jews and many others during WWII, but what the Bishop is saying about the present government agenda is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!.

OOooooh, positively outrageous, my heart goes out to the offended parties. Why, a liberal would never say anything like that about a conservative.....would they??? Come on, Anti Defamation League, get real....or get bent.

Didi - I was raised a Catholic and I have been mostly appalled for a very long time.

If you want to know the laws regarding a church's tax exempt status, just go to the IRS website.

It's called Tax Guide For Churches and Religious Organizations - benefits and responsibilities under federal tax laws.

And.....people are going to take serious...the statements from a man...wearing a pink ...pointy... party.... hat and costume,....... who has no contact with women( by church law)...... to tell men and women how they should live their lives,...and this very same church I once belonged to as a child, has killed more men in the name of this god than any other religion, and this clown makes these statements? How saintly of him!The parrish I belonged to produced the very famous "Polka Padre" and his accordian, who was caught molesting a number of boys. Another priest was tapping the blonde divorcee and after he was found out, left the church and married her. (Good choice). The nuns abused children daily with words, physical slapping and whacking with pointers and rulers and yardsticks, locking children in closets, etc. Ah yes.....This is the real god.........the one and only who loves you...or else!

A double whammy for some - pretty embarrassing to be a Republican and pretty embarrassing to be a Catholic.

Not only is this not your father's GOP, it isn't your mother's Catholic church either.

I like the fact that by calling the contraception thing a "culture war", he's basically admitting that the Catholic Church wants its dogma to dominate all of American culture.

Wow, now many want to see our 1st amendment rights stifled or withhold the economic carrot from those dissenting.

Seems that many need to revisit european history from the teens forward and the steps used by hitler and stalin to gain the power they had. Not a real stretch of the imagination to see how our government (L or R)has gradually set the stage over the years for this and how obama is accelerating it. There are far more ways to stifle dissent than through work and death camps.

Re:

mcpaddywack's comment above -- the question is how does the church maintain its tax exempt status while making statements such as these -- the IRS does not allow organizations, charities or chruches to engage in political activity and still maintain tax exempt status - - Currently, the law prohibits political campaign activity by charities and churches by defining a 501(c)(3) organization as one "which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office."

It is not a question of doing away with or restricting religious practice by any religion, but it is about expecting a group that receives tax exemption to follow the rules in order to reap that benefit. They should not be allowed to have it both ways.

Commenter 12

"Why is this church's tax exemption not revoked? Churches are not allowed to engage in political activity!!!!"

For the same reason Rev Wright's church is still tax exempt. For the same reason Father Pfleger's church is still tax exempt. For the same reason Jesse Jackson's and Al Sharpotn's churches, where ever they may be, are still tax exempt. For the same reason the Black Churches who shilled for Obama in 08, are are still shilling for him now, are still tax exempt. Answer your question?

And, speaking of the strong Obama supporter, Father Pfleger, I guess based on the comments above, he MUST be considered a closeted pedophile also, since the narrow mind set who comment about such things believe ALL Catholic Priests are.

There is NOTHING in the Constitution that prohibits a church from engaging in political activity. The tax codes prohibit tax exempt organizations from supporting political candidates as an organization, but individuals can still speak their minds, even from the pulpit. If this were not the case, the IRS would have been all over the Southern Christian Leadership years ago. MLK would never have had his bully pulpit to seek change for the better, not jusy change for the betterment of his friends.

He is in dire need of a history lesson. The Catholic Church throughout the early times was guilty of far more than Obama ever thought about. They may not abort babies, but they sure as hell have done their share of murdering innocent people as well as jews. He should read about the Crusades. He IS entitled to his opinion, but he needs to provide PROOF of his rediculous accusations. As the poster above pointed out, abortion is currently legal. So is birth control. Please provide what laws he has broken????

This is from a church that controls how many folks..and sets rules for them all to follow..except themselves of course.I have a problem with any church that has secrets as the catholic church does.I believe they are more worried about spending any funds on anything but themselves than the protection of women. This is all bout control and power for the church...all churches for that matter.

Since churches insist on being political I say let them... as long as they pay taxes like every other business.

End the public subsidization of religion and churches - end tax exemptions for superstitious belief!

What's amazing is to see the Marxist demanding full access to all the liberty the Christian faith has made possible only to see them turn around and demand the right of conscience and free exercise thereof as expressly provided for in the very first amendment of the United States constitution be revoked because it offends them.

It is like laying claim to the water, but being offended by the waters source - pure stupidity.

First you see Obama lambaste the thought of the Supreme Court declaring as unconstitutional a duly enacted law that Obama signed; declaring it to be an unprecedented act for them to do so, only to see the hypocrite-in-chief come back the very next day and direct his department of justice to testify in favor of the courts declaring another duly enacted law unconstitutional because his administration does not agree with it - DOMA.

The hypocrisy on the left is palpable.

Comparing Obama's policies to that of Hitler and Stalin is no more offensive then pointing out the fact that the "Born that way" lie is a full frontal assault on the laws of nature.

Is that coming from the same organization that helped Hitler's goons to escape prosecution in Europe? That looked the other way when Stalin was sending Jews to the gulags?

Simple fact 1st Amendment RIGHT OF FREEDOM OF SPEECH. He did not give up that right because he is standing in a church.

There are a lot of nonprofit 501c3 groups who say very controversial things about politics all the time, don't see most of you screaming to remove their tax exempt status.

Most of the post so far seem to only have a problem because it was done by a "christian" not because what he said was in any way false.

I would add that, the GOP/Tea Party is trying very, very hard to "establish an official religion for our nation"... Anything that opposes church doctrine is denounced as unAmerican and an insulting afront to the founding fathers vision.

Again that is their right, doesn't mean anyone has to like it, or even go along with it, but it is still covered by the constitution as a right, door swings both ways sorry to say. PS it raining.

Here is the part that so many posters here want to forget exist

or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Also a protected constitutional right.

RwEvans writes this Bishop has a point,

As a matter of fact he does...and that pointy pink hat covers it well!

The Bishop should remember that the current Pope was a member of Hitler's youth.

Bishop Jenky appears to be as unkempt mentally as He is with his personal appearance.

@V...#1.23: Great post as usual. Good to see you again!

Have to just love those people claiming the "republicans" are pushing to have their religion become a national religion. I guess that is why the majority of those that voted in the primaries to date have voted for Mormon. Wait mormons are not the main stream religious groups you are talking about! I guess you people just want to make assumptions that you can in no way back up.

Surprising that a Catholic Bishop would make comments about a President that claims to be a Christian when that person is going to be running against someone of the Mormon faith. I guess maybe religions can play nice with each other.

Commenter 12-Why is this church's tax exemption not revoked? Churches are not allowed to engage in political activity!!!!

Really, what's pissing you off is that he isn't being political; he's exercising his First Amendment rights. Remember what those are? Again, the First Amendment wasn't intended solely for saying nice things. It is there to protect those that have the balls to speak their minds, the truth, and what might not be "politically correct". People, we are not choosing sides for the play-ground dodge-ball game. We are choose the leader of the Free world. Let's get it right, this time.

I used to be a Cathlic, this bishop is one of the resons I no longer am. I'm surprised his last name is not Borgia. It would be more appropriate.

Rene Navarre

• The Bishop makes a valid point. One cannot oppress its beliefs upon another religiously or politically. Contraceptives have long been banned in the Catholic Church. Hell, we need some more large Italian and Irish families anyway and also tired of hearing about gay rights.

I agree with post number one. But also these misguided folks are full of such disdain and hatred for absolute nonsensical fiction. Has our President closed down Churches schools temples etc.? Has anyone at all said Christian cannot worship and tell folks about Jesus? Instead of focusing on politics and hatred REMEMBER why Jesus destroyed the temple as one of his LAST acts before the crucifixion. The separation of Church and State iiis just that. So I MUST ask why in the world are churches trying to preach in the confines of the government? ; ]

Cheers

For those constantly bringing up molesting priests as your response. To quote Stewie Griffin "The weakest link, wow that's so fresh, you are the weakest link That's what they used to say on that game show right? Do you have any Titanic jokes you wanna tell. Seriously, when was the last time a Priest molestation story to came over the air waves. Try getting some fresh material will ya.

After reading all these comments, I have to put in my 2 cents worth. This country is supposed to have a division of church and state..ie...churches have no business commenting on politics. However, as a rational human being, I know that's not the case. You can look at the commentary by the GOP as well as their candidate to see that church leaders are very involved in politics. What this bishop said is absolutely ridiculous. To compare a woman's right to choose to the annihilation of the Jews during WWII is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard. The Catholics need to look to their own internal woes with rampaging child molestation, before they start to cast stones at anyone else. Their history is far from clean starting with the warrior popes right up to today. If churches want to get into politics, then they should pay taxes just like I do. No taxes, no political comments.

If religious institutions want to be involved in politics then they should loose their tax exempt status. No one is required to practice birth control but it should be made available to those who do. The rules of any religious institution regarding personal interactions should pertain to those people who follow that religion and not forced on others. I couldn't care less about what the Catholic church teaches it's followers about how to live their life nor do I expect them to follow my religious teachings. Religion is a private thing and no one religion should try to shove their teachings down the throats of others.

Brave Man

Im so sick and tired of christians. They hate muslims cause of911 well they should hate themselves for the oklahoma city bombing. By the way Obama is nothing like stalin or hitler.

Aren't you doing exactly what you are complaining Christians do? People do tend to generalize Muslims based on the actions of twisted radicals, but you are now generalizing Christians over a few bigoted fanatics.

I am technically Christian, and I do not hate Muslims. I have a Muslim uncle, and he is the kindest, gentlest person I have ever known. I know 9/11 was caused by radicals, and my uncle says they do not represent the true Muslim religion any more than Westboro represents Christianity.

Obama does have at least one thing in common with past dictators; his goal is power, and he will step on anyone he has to if he thinks it will help him.

Keep politics out of Church.

I'm no fan of President Obama, but seriously... Hitler, Stalin? That's Absurd.

The only connection between Hitler and Stalin was the amount of murders they incurred while in power. Yes, President Obama is a leftist, but he has hardly killed over it.

Secularism is a religion; it is a Godless religion, but it is a religion non-the-less - secularism (1851); U.S. Constitution (1787) = do the math.

"It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins" Benjamin Franklin

amen countrygirl i didnt see anyone criticizes him until you i will not defend catholics because they to will have a lot of things to answer to on the day of judgement but this rev. wright has said similar things and nobody on the left mention it

I'd like to share a few excerpts from an essay written for the Daily KOS called "A Voice from the 1%"

"The [idea] that the rich are getting ever richer while everyone else suffers - was confirmed by a recent report from the Social Security Administration showing that while total employment and average wages remained stagnant, the number of people earning $1 million or more grew by 18% from 2009 to 2010. yet Republicans continue to insist, despite all evidence to the contrary, that if anything those "job creators" deserve an even greater share of our national income."

"The one group rarely heard from in this rancorous debate is the 1%, whose incomes and taxes are its focus. I am one of them, and here is my perspective, which may surprise you."

"imagine my amazement this summer when I watched the Republicans in Congress push the United States to the brink of default - and the world to the brink of ruin - over whether to repeal a portion of the Bush tax cuts and raise my taxes by 3.5%."

"Here is a secret about rich people: we wouldn't have noticed a 3.5% tax increase. That is not only because there isn't a material difference between having $1 million and $965,000, which is obvious, but also because most of us don't actually know how much money we are going to make in a given year. Most income at that level is the result of profits rather than salary, whether it comes in the form of bonuses, stock options, partnership distributions, dividends or capital gains. Profits are unpredictable and they tend to vary wildly. At my own firm, the general rule of thumb is that if we are within 5% of our budget for the year, everyone is happy and no one complains. A variation of 3.5% is merely a random blip."

"I was not amazed but disgusted when John Boehner and his crew tried to justify the extremity of their position by rebranding the wealthy as "job creators." While true in a very basic sense, it obscures the fact that jobs are a cost that is voluntarily incurred only as a result of demand. Hiring has no correlation at all to profits or to income - none. Let me keep more of my money without increasing customer demand and I will do just that - keep it. Perhaps I will spend a little more of it, though probably not, but even if I do it won't help the economy very much. Here is another secret of the well-to-do: we don't really buy much more stuff than everyone else. It may be more expensive stuff, sure, but I don't buy cars, or appliances, or furniture, or anything else more frequently than the average consumer. The things I do spend more money on are services such as travel, entertainment, restaurants and landscaping, none of which generate well-paying middle class jobs. There, in a nutshell, is the sad explanation of what has happened to the American economy over the last 25 years of "trickle down" economics."

"there is no question that the increasing income inequality in our society is a bad thing, in the short-term and the long-term, for both workers and for business. It is bad in every way and for everyone, with the sole exception of Wall Street itself."

"My family is from one of the poorest counties in the country, in rural Appalachia. My grandfather was a coal miner who left school after 5th grade to help support his impoverished family. My grandmother wasn't allowed to attend high school because according to her parents women didn't need an education. I never knew my father. My mother and I subsisted on food stamps for several years. I got my first job at 13, working as a bus boy for $2 an hour, and I have never been unemployed in the 37 years since. I worked my way through college, which I paid for myself. When I started my career I worked 60+ hour weeks every week for nearly 15 years before that effort began to pay off. I employ nearly 20 people, I have no debts, and I have no doubt that I have earned every penny I have."

"And yet, I am living proof of Elizabeth Warren's maxim that no one gets rich on their own. If not for the UMWA helping to secure a living wage for my grandfather, I would probably have had to leave school to help support my family, as he had done. If not for my grandmother's passionate belief in the value of the education she was denied I would never have aspired to go to college at all, and if not for my mother teaching me to love books, I would never have been able to succeed there. If not for my wife I would never have been inspired to work as hard as I did to see what I could become in life. How many smart, talented children don't have those positive influences? How many have exactly the opposite?"

"I understand too that but for food stamps, I would have gone hungry as a child, that but for public subsidies and federally guaranteed loans I could never have afforded college. I know that without the internet and airports, both of which were developed with federal taxes, I could not earn an income even close to what I make today. That all seems so obvious to me that I don't understand how anyone could question it, and those are just a few of the many reasons I am happy to pay my fair share of taxes, whatever that share maybe. Paying a lot of taxes just means you make a lot of money, and it is hard, frankly, to complain about that."

"Many of the [Tea Party] crowd seem quite proud of their Christian faith. I am not religious myself, but I am reasonably certain that Jesus would not respond to the poor and unemployed with shouts of "Get a job!""

Bill Deacon

So you support Obama and other governments who would restrict the church and religious freedom?

Bill the Deacon - Is this a right wing rant or are you really that delusional? The policy is that insurance companies that provide health care insurance to religious owned businesses must provide services. Get it? The insurance company must provide the service...out of their pocket as a cost of doing business. So go ahead and try to make a "holy war" out of a business transaction. It's no wonder your party is doomed to lose the 2012 election.

JoeB - What kind of drugs are you on? You are attacking the President pretty strongly, do you have any proof? Attacking the Constitution and the rights of LEGAL citizens? Can you be specific about what he is attacking?

Where to start.....a Socialist, well Hitler was a Fascist following most of Moussolini's views on fascism and Stalin was a Communist, which used socialist ideals to fool the populace into a dictatorship. The attempts to portray him as a Socialist is rather weak. The problem is that the Republicans have moved so far to the right that everything, including Reagan, would be Socialist. Blaming him for the recession is a flat out lie, the markets were spiralling down with Bush and Bush created the bailouts. Try getting the facts right if you can. Protecting our borders? The laws are in place, the problem is that Congress, who controls the money, hasn't funded the agency well enough to do their job. This is both parties fault.

At least try to get your facts straight, irregardless of your political affiliation, just shows ignorance at best or misinformation, like the Communists did so well.

jwilson1234

#1. Abortion is legal. It is the law of the land. To be Pro-Abortion is to be in keeping with the law... To be Anti-Abortion is to support illegal activity.

No, you can't draw that conclusion...to be anti-abortion doesn't mean you support illegal activity. It means that you don't agree with the procedure. Pro-abortion means you want people to have abortions, anti-abortion means you don't want people to have abortions; pro-choice means you favor letting people make up their own minds. People can be both pro-choice and anti-abortion (they choose against the procedure) but you can't be pro-abortion and pro-choice because being pro-abortion means you want people to have abortions if they have the choice some may choose against it. Logic 101.....

I would say that class was actually SEMANTICS 101...
But your point is taken, I chose improper terminology...
Please subsitute "pro-choice" where I inadverdantly wrote "pro-abortion"...

How bout the church get out of government? And we can thank the Catholic church for soooo many things.

Most lately it's been sexually molesting our children ! Earlier it was helping the Nazis escape Europe !! That list goes on and on !!!

Lets start taxing them too !!!!!

Hey Corporate Shill Why don't you take a look at our own government, whom did the exact same things. Try picking up a book and not the ones in school, try reading about Operation Paperclip. Op Paperclip where the USA was in a race with Russia for the best, brightest and deadliest German scientists. Read a little about Plum Island, which the US started for Erich Traub. The Nazis leader in bio, animal and insect warfare. It also just so happens that Lyme disease starts in Lyme, CT (a few miles from Plum Island) in a tick native to Texas. the US brought in the best killing scientists they could get there hands on and still to this day work on and with biochemical weapons.

Instead of the church out of government which it really is not in, How about Corporations get out of goverment/Washington. Oh wait you would not care about that as you are a shill and like sucking the Corp. teat for a little rancid milk.

Once again, no one wants to limit this person's freedom of speech AS AN INDIVIDUAL; it is when he is speaking in his capacity as a representative of the church that he is violating the tax exempt status rules; and yes, the same thing should apply to Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton or Rev. Wright when they are speaking in their capacity as church officials; as individuals they can express any opinion that they want. The IRS should go after any and all of these groups when they choose to speak for their church -- when they are allowed to express these opinions FROM THE PULPIT the church is giving tacit agreement.

This Bishop is dead on. Just because you lefties don't like it doesn't change the fact that the analysis is correct.

Fed up

And yet Obama sat and listened to Rev. Wright spew his racist crap for 20 years and didn't bat an eye!

Funny how the left seems to want that little piece of history to be forgotten, or they will say that it's not the same.

Too Too FUNNY

I love how some conservatives will spew this kind of since-less name calling because of Obama's "policies".... but then when you ask them which policies are you referring to.... they usually have nothing to say other than "the just are".

Its hard to find a well read fact driven conservative that actually investigates official legislative documents and the sources of information presented to him/her information.... most of them wil believe anything negative about Obama as long as its in written text or on TV....just look at their primary debates..... These people don't present any ideas or plans to do anything... apparently beating Obama is apparently going to magically fix all the problems even the ones that occurred before he even took office

When in doubt, compare them to Hitler and/or Stalin.

You may not agree with requiring churches to offer the option to their employees to add contraceptions on to policies which church based employers are paying for. That is fine.

However, this has nothing to do with Hitler or Stalin! Everything that you disagree with is not "Just like Hitler."

Hitler and Stalin were butchers of human life. (Please spare me any abortion references here.) Hitler did not oppress religions with whom he disagreed by making them offer employees of their affiliates the option of purchasing an addition to their insurance that would cover contraception. The murdered them or threw them into concentration camps!

It is disrespectful to compare the 2.

Wendy breeze: Are you stupid or do you just play the part extremely well? No seriously. Telling people they are "uninformed" and then following it with that tripe is a lot like a mouse running up to the cat yelling, "You think your tough! You got nothing! Prove how tough you are. Stupid cat!"

Sorry, which politician is this bishop campaigning for? Is he running for an office? Oh wait, he isn't, he is simply speaking out against a politician. So no, he isn't engaging in political activities. If you took away the non-profit status of every church who said something bad about a politician or a political policy, there wouldn't be any tax exemption for religious organizations.

Separation of church and state unarguably refers to the government not trying to force any citizen to practice a specific religion, it does not mean that anyone affiliated with religion has no right to be involved in politics or to be affiliated with governments. Perhaps if people feel so strongly against it, most hospitals, which are almost all affiliated with a church, should close their doors to all but Christians, being as they shouldn't collect any local, state, or federal funds any more... to think that you can completely separate religion from government when what, 60% of the population of the country are Christian, is just plain ignorant.

BTW, This is the first time I have seen a religious leader compare Obama to Stalin or Hitler, but psychologists have been doing it since he was elected. Obama is the embodiment of narcissism, and both Stalin and Hitler were also considered extreme narcissists. Quite frankly, I don't see it as much of a stretch. He is just as full of himself and his policies as both dictators mentioned. The difference is he doesnt have the absolute power over this country that those two leaders had. He is constrained just enough by our political system. Thank God for 4 year terms and checks and balances. Or thank whoever you worship. I don't care who you worship, whether it is a deity, a public figure, or an ideal, and you have the right to worship whoever or whatever you please. I just ask that it stays that way.

News flash: "the free exercise [of religion]" does not include the right to impose your religion's dogma upon unwilling American citizens. In fact, it's pretty much the opposite of that.

Protecting access to birth control actually promotes the free exercise of religion, as it guarantees people the option of not following a particular religious belief if they don't happen to hold it, while at the same time not preventing anyone who wants to follow it from doing so. Everybody wins (except for those who want to deny others control of their own lives).

These religious, bible waving Republican hypocrites. This is from your own church your own book. Do not judge, or you too will be judged. Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. All Obama's health plan says you have to provide prescriptions for people that work for you that are not Catholic. Hire all Catholics and the church can do anything it wants.

Hypocrite - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ... www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocritea person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

RandyEK

Secularism is a religion; it is a Godless religion, but it is a religion non-the-less - secularism (1851); U.S. Constitution (1787) = do the math.

This is the definition of SECULARISM:

sec·u·lar·ism n.

1. Religious skepticism or indifference.
2. The view that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public education.

How is that a religion?
Is Secularism a religion of indifference to religion?
Is it therefore indifferent to itself?

"It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins" Benjamin Franklin

"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not care to support it, so that its professors are obliged to call for the help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one."
[Ben Franklin, _Poor Richard's Almanac_, 1754 (Works, Volume XIII)]

"The way to see by Faith is to shut the eye of Reason."
[Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard, 1758]

The Catholic Bishop has a right to his opinion and I take it with a grain of salt if I don't agree. The same grain of salt that we take from Jesse Jackson,Rev Wright, Al Sharpton,etc. But I'll say this and I've said it before,the Catholic Church does amazing good with Catholic Charities. Without them a lot of people would suffer,I've seen what they do first hand, and I'm not a Catholic. What does The Anti Defamation League do besides keep a lot of attorneys pockets lined with cash? Conservatives,Republicans in general,Tea Party Members,anyone who disagrees with a Liberal,etc. has been called a nazi on NewsWhine for years,get over it! If Obama don't like what the Bishop referred to in his sermon the he should send the feds over to see him. Right after their done hanging out with Ted Nugent that is! What a joke! I wonder how many agents jumped at the chance to interview Ted?

the problem with what this priest said is that so many people will believe him blindly. i believe in God and the teachings He brought to us through Jesus. organized religion of all kinds have nothing whatsoever to do with these teachings. they have no connection to God other than using his name to kowtow people into submission using fear and hate. Jesus taught us to love one another without exception. "Do not judge lest ye be judged." "Love thy neighbor as thyself." these perfect statements have been not just forgotten, but deliberately whitewashed. the church gives lip service every day to God and then in the next breath spews hatred and fear. ' you gonna burn in hell! you gonna burn n hell!'

the right wing religious radicals in this country are trying to hijack our freedoms and turn our Free country into a despotic theocracy. religion by its very nature is not tolerant. each group thinks they are God's chosen and everyone else is gonna burn in hell. once a church gains power anyone who doesn't adhere to the dogma of the church must be liable for punishment. anyone outside the box would be a threat and a danger to the whole. THAT is why WE live in a FREE nation!!!! this is NOT a christian nation. IT IS A FREE NATION!!!!

i am part of a growing sect of the population that has chosen to defy the church and its rhetoric and its demands and its money and its power and ultimately, its threats against my freedom. i believe in God and Jesus. I DON'T believe in organized religion. "Look at the priests standing in the temple bringing attention to themselves. they have their reward. but, go thee into a closet and pray and i will be there."(not exact quote.) THAT is what Jesus taught us. i believe that I can have a personal relationship with God and i don't need some preacher telling me what the Bible says or what i have to do to get into heaven. God is not some guy sitting on a throne in some 'place.' God is the creative energy of the universe, the universe's awareness of itself. and we make our own heaven or hell right here on earth with our actions for or against each other every day. when we spew hatred and violence, we create more of that. when we treat each other with respect and dignity, we bring peace to everyone.

WHY IS THIS CONCEPT SO DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO GRASP? you don't have to believe in anything to understand that positive actions create goodness and evil creates evil. it doesn't take any brains, strength or character to be violent and hateful. it takes a strong human being to turn the other cheek and not judge someone whose life is different from your own.

to be fair, most religions, christian or otherwise are the same. religion was created by humans and we certain innate failings that we have yet to acknowledge-greed, jealousy, avarice. you can't fix something that you refuse to admit is a problem. it's obvious that we can't just change overnight and we will probably always be battling the darker aspects of our humanity. but, to be a true christian, you should at least be trying.

DaveK-1110204:

Sorry, which politician is this bishop campaigning for? Is he running for an office? Oh wait, he isn't, he is simply speaking out against a politician. So no, he isn't engaging in political activities.

Re-read that section of the law, chief. It includes the words "or in opposition to".

It's actually morons like this guy that has helped make aethism the fastest growing 'religion' in this country, and Catholicism the fastest depleting.

He doesn't have to agree with Obama, but he should at least respect him. Hiding behind the pulpit while wrapped in priestly robes, so he can safely sling outrageous smears at political leadership, is the act of a coward.

If he can't manage to debate the issue better than this, then he should be muzzled by his superiors. If they fail to act to disavow his words publicly, then they signal their approval of his hateful rant.

Mac Forrester, #1.4- Hey, Long time, again. This whole thing just continues "Outrageous", eh? Do you have any idea of what "concrete" argument, as a legitimate basis of claim, that the Catholic Church has ever presented to show "HOW" any of this is "Restricting" their Religious Freedom? (Seriously, not sarcastically, I'm asking). I, myself, am perfectly and more than willing to listen, but I've not heard one single argument that is specifically backing up the claim of Religious Freedom being restricted with exactly how it is being restricted. Have you?

V..., #1.23- What an EXCELLENT post!

I believe the points were not to be literally taken. The behaviors, the inroads into the area which should be governed by church and conscience were at issue. You can compare somebody's methodology without necessarily making a direct comparison of one person being like another. We are supposed to learn from history, from previous mistakes, from previous abuses of power and ursurption of the rights of the populace.....history does repeat itself unless we are wise enough to learn. To compare situations, to compare methodology, to make reference to previously attempted inroads into first ammendment territory is not equivalent to calling somebody Hitler or Stalin. It would seem that the liberals latch onto the names like a flashpoint and won't let it go, much like pit bulls....and completely and totally miss the warning messages by missing the similarity to history gone wrong in the past (and for what was believed at the time to be the most laudable reasons)

And there seems to be an element of the liberal group who feels that religion should be obliterated as it speaks to a moral code of behavior and ethics, it elevates the worth of human life, and quite frankly that is inconvenient....These folks are willing to accept limitations from a government, and have that same government pick their pockets clean, but they wouldn't accept moral and ethical boundaries from a church or contribute anything to the work of the church or the church's charities???? What makes government such a superior oracle of propriety- particularly in light of the many attrocities perpetrated on humans on a massive scale throughout the world and throughout history? Hitler slaughtered millions as representative of the Nazi regime for things like....where they were born, who their parents were, what their religion was or their occupations....people were even killed for having the wrong color of hair or eyes.....(just an example of government morality and ethics) One having taken power in the name of the people, Joseph Stalin oversaw a bloody reign of terror (just another example of government run amok) And interestingly enough, in both cases, the rank and file people initially thought this was all a good thing, going to profit them, going to make their lives better......We have two bit dictators all over Central and South America who enforce their rule by military might....shooting down anything and anyone who dissents. We can look even closer to people like Castro.....you can make comparisons all day long about how a situation plays out, and that doesn't necessarily equate with calling names of an individual.

lawman-5764244:Um...ok. Reading your post is a lot like watching an old episode of Batman. Riddle me this, huh? Nothing to offer, and no proof of anything. Typical republican garbage.

Let's see if I can play your "game":

Republicans don't care about anybody but the rich. If you are not making well over 350k a year you would be stupid to vote for a party that doesn't have your interest in mind.

Difficult to see how the truth can be defamation. Rich-Republicans have told nothing but the truth. The fact that the truth may hurt or offend some people does not make it any less the truth. If you're a person of faith,and that description goes far beyond Politics, then sooner or later, rich Republicans and their minions will have you and your beliefs in their sights.

In any event, and in case the Anti Defamation hasn't yet discovered it, Rich-Republican comments are protected speech. The fact that they are true should ring as a warning to anyone legitimately concerned with civil liberties. That also includes freedom of stupidity.

The serious student of history need only re-visit that history to once more discover the validity of the Rich-Republican remarks. No rocket science needed here, just the ability to read and comprehend history.

Don't believe me? Next time you're in Washington and visit the National Archives, take a look at the inscription on the front of the building. Not going anytime soon? I'll repeat it for you. "What is past is prologue".

This is an interesting read, regarding the priests comments...
Particularly interesting in paragraphs 7 through 9...

http://au.org/files/pdf_documents/2012-04-19-AU-leter-to-the-IRS.pdf?utm_source=AU+main+email+list&utm_campaign=5dc11fc7dc-4_12_2012+-+catholic&utm_medium=email

Not that it would go anywhere... but still.

@ash "News flash: "the free exercise [of religion]" does not include the right to impose your religion's dogma upon unwilling American citizens. In fact, it's pretty much the opposite of that."

If you are referring to our constitution and the separation of church and state (ie freedom of religion), it has nothing to do with people trying to spread their religion, tell you their opinion, or try to convert you or "impose" it on you. What it means is that the GOVERNMENT does not have the right to impose a religion on you. That is it. Entire communities exist that are run by religions, and they exist completely legally as long as they follow the local, state, and federal laws. You don't think religions can be imposed on you? Try opening a business in Utah if you are not Mormon..

Just as you have the freedom to come here and be anti-Christian, anti-Catholic, or anti-religion, this bishop has the right to publicly announce that a person of power in the U.S. has policies that are reflective of some of the worst dictators in history, particularly as they are in opposition to the church.

Religion...ALL RELIGION...should be unlawful. They should be banned world wide by all governments. Religionspreads nothing but hate and intolerance. If this country, and this world, want to end war, famine, racism and all of the other social ills, religion needs to be outlawed. NOW!

They all preach peace, love, tolerance for all. They deliver hate, war and intolerance to everyone that does not believe in their "One True God".

V...

RandyEK

Secularism is a religion; it is a Godless religion, but it is a religion non-the-less - secularism (1851); U.S. Constitution (1787) = do the math.

This is the definition of SECULARISM:

sec·u·lar·ism n.

1. Religious skepticism or indifference.
2. The view that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public education.

How is that a religion?
Is Secularism a religion of indifference to religion?
Is it therefore indifferent to itself?

Secularism is a religion; it is a Godless religion, but it is a religion non-the-less - secularism (1851); U.S. Constitution (1787) = do the math.

This is the definition of SECULARISM:

sec·u·lar·ism n.

1. Religious skepticism or indifference.
2. The view that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public education.

How is that a religion?
Is Secularism a religion of indifference to religion?
Is it therefore indifferent to itself?

You should have started with the definition of "Religion":

Religion: a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by

Secularism is the very definition of a religion; a religion that was coined in 1851 by one man in reference to an idea he had yet to fully define - and is still not fully defined.

Just another tally mark in the reason column for not stepping into a catholic church. Left the catholic church 34 years ago, see no reason at all to go back.

Dubbya R- He doesn't have to agree with Obama, but he should at least respect him.

You are half right with this statement. He does not have to agree (correct). He should at least respect the office of the president. He needs to respect the man only as much as he has earned it. I don't recall an outcry among you Lefties for the demand of respect for George Bush.

Right, Dubbya?

Dom-462174 says "Seriously, when was the last time a Priest molestation story to came over the air waves. Try getting some fresh material will ya."

Try last week. There was an article in our local paper about an ongoing investigation. So priests and molestation charges are still very current news. So, you'll have to be the one looking for fresh material cause your denial is the only old news I see.

We the people, comedians, and celebrities could say what ever we wanted about past presidents excercizing our FREEDOM OF SPEECH and it was NO big deal. But this president nooo, he and his bunch of oneway crybabies think that they are entitled, KGB/Gestapo BRATS lose their mind if you use your free speech to voice your OPINION!!! Well here is my OPINION and I will NOT apologize because it it my RIGHT as a FREE American to be able to voice my OPINION without repercution!!! First, I hope he loses his shorts in the election and even gets impeached and has to do time for the CRIMES he has commited against the Constitution!!! Second, he looks like a black Howdie Doodie or Alfred E. Newman from Mad Magazine with those big a$$ dumbo ears.

DaveK-1110204:

If you are referring to our constitution and the separation of church and state (ie freedom of religion), it has nothing to do with people trying to spread their religion, tell you their opinion, or try to convert you or "impose" it on you.

I'm referring to what the government does and doesn't have the power to restrict, per the First Amendment. What it doesn't have the power to restrict is the free exercise of religion. But it absolutely does have the power to stop people from infringing on each other's freedom of religion.

Like it or not, the Catholic Church denying its non-Catholic employees access to birth control is very much an imposition of Catholic dogma upon those employees' lives, and hence an infringement on their religious freedom.

And no, requiring them to provide said access is not an infringement of the Church's religious freedom because every member of the Church still has the ability to follow its stricture against using birth control.

Well now isn't this special - I wonder if the Secret Service will "summons" the Bishop in and slap him on the wrist & tell him to STFU, like they did Nugent?

Well if he can compare our president to Hitler I want to Compare all Catholic prieststo pedophilia

Didi-376564 -If this guy wants to start spouting politics from the pulpit.....we need to do two things: (1) take away this church's tax exemption; and (2) tell him to learn his history before he does more damage!! If I were a Catholic, I'd be appalled!!

Where were all of you "moral", "American President-loving", "Constitutional-History Majors" when Jeremiah Wright was spewing his vile hate-speech all-the-while your president was his loyal follower? Was that church denied its tax-exempt status? Nope.

As far as being appalled, Didi, were you apalled at Wright's rantings? I didn't think so.

Did you come to aid of the the current president at that time. I didn't think so.

The former Soviet Union couldn't get anything right--economy, politics, national defense, domestic policies--but one thing they were spot on was, "RELIGION IS THE OPIUM OF THE PEOPLE." Truer words were never spoken.

Belief in a super being results from humans' insecurity with themselves and their surroundings. It's fostered by man's ignorance of the natural world. It's an outcome of self-elitism--I'm a human being, therefore, I did not evolve from lower species; I was created as I am, in the image of a supreme being. Also, and most important to the insecure mind, is the belief of everlasting life. To the insecure and self-pitying type, the promise of everlasting life is to great to dismiss. Thus, even though they can't see, hear, or locate this everlasting lifestyle/location (that doesn't exist), they will continue to cherish it, hope for it, and devote their life on Earth to it (a complete waste of effort), and make up a fantasy world to appease their delusional desire. They will even hurt, maim and kill those that try to snap them out of their fantasy.

Whether your Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, etc., etc., makes no difference. Religion fills in a void that many people are incapable of filling or dealing with. Reality is unacceptable to these people.

The comical part in all of this is that many of the so called true believers really have no clue what their supposed religious Icon really stood for. They've been listening to self-righteous charlatans that want to control their minds, and have lost track of what Jesus, Mohamed, Abraham, Buddha, etc., really stood for. Case-n-point is the so called Evangelicals and born again Christians. Christ, a very influential MAN, had no possessions; he gave what he had to everyone, no matter if that person was rich or poor. He accepted all types--those that followed what he preached and those that did not. He didn't wage war against the Jews or the Arabs or the Romans. So where do these Evangelicals get off calling themselves followers of Christ?? They want to wage war on other religions; they want to force their beliefs on others; they are all for the death penalty; They want to surgically remove the gayness out of gays because it’s un-Christian—UHH?? If these characters actually met Jesus Christ, they would label him a drugged out hippie and have him arrested!!

Give me a break........

This dipsh*t is trying to compare Obama to Hitler because of his "stance" against the Catholic church? How funny considering the Catholic church endorsed Hitler during WWII. I guess Obama should take that as an official backing?

MacPaddy 1.5,

You could not be more wrong. Churches have a tax exempt status because they are supposed to stay the hell out of politics. Separation of Church and State also prevents Government and Religion from directly influencing each other. This means that the Gov cannot, where not circumvented by other laws, make laws that affect religious institutions and that Religious institutions have no representation in our Government.

America is a secular nation, we have no national religion and we should have no religiously based laws. Such laws are unconstitutional, like DOMA. Religion has not stayed out of politics, ever; it has only been hiding under the stairs. However in recent decades the Evangelicals have become ever more present in the public eye and this year have even fielded their own presidential candidate (Santorum).

Churches must be taxed, they have been violating their TE stipulations from day 1.

Bill in 1.8, I support ANY candidate on any side of the isle that pushes back against religiously based laws like abortion bans, vaginal probing, restricting Gay marriage, and DOMA. Religious have no purview to be making such laws as these, they are unconstitutional. All of these laws are being made because of religious dogma. The Gov is just fighting back against Religions encroachment on our side of the fence; spraying the weeds with weed killer before the ruin our secular lawn.

Religions cannot refuse medical treatments because of some BS in their religion. If they are running a business they have to follow all of the laws governing businesses including fair access to medical insurance for procedures that both the patient and the doctor that he or she goes to agree upon.

This article pretty much says it all:

It is curious that the American Right, which waxes nostalgic for the happier days of the 1950s when the United States was supposedly more moral and more united, ignores one of the central reasons behind that middle-class era: very high taxes on the rich.

Granted, some on the Right may love the Fifties because it was a time of racial segregation and second-class status for women. But what arguably made the era work was the fact that the US tax structure "disincentivized" greed by ensuring that excess wealth was mostly recycled back into the Treasury for use building the nation and supporting research and development.

During Dwight Eisenhower's presidency the top marginal tax rate - what the richest Americans paid on their top tranche of income - was around 90 percent. In the 1960s, under John F. Kennedy, that was lowered to around 70 percent, but that rate still meant the rich had a limited incentive to be greedy since they wouldn't get to keep most of their extra money.

All that changed with Ronald Reagan's presidency and his slashing of the top marginal tax rate by more than half (before it was adjusted upward slightly late in Reagan's years and then during Bill Clinton's presidency before being reduced again to 35 percent under George W. Bush).

Various tax loopholes and lower rates for capital gains also have let many of the richest Americans enjoy tax rates about only half of even those lower marginal income tax rates. Billionaire Warren Buffett has famously described paying a lower tax rate than his secretary, meaning that he and others in his category get to keep about 80 percent of what they make In other words, the American tax structure has been roughly turned on its head. From the rich paying between 70 and 90 percent on their top income, some now pay 20 percent or less, which means there is a much bigger incentive to be greedy.

Arguably, it was that incentivized greed - more than any of the social movements like civil rights for blacks and equal rights for women - that eradicated the rhapsodized Fifties and the middle-class culture that it represented in the nostalgic view of many Americans.

So, it's ironic that the defense of lower tax rates for the rich is at the heart of the Right's current political agenda. Some leading Republicans have even suggested that "tax reform" should impose at least some income tax on the poor and working class so the tax rates on the rich can be lowered even more.

It's ironic, too, that the core of today's economic crisis is that American bankers became so excessively greedy - spurred on by the prospects of "earning" bonuses in the tens of millions of dollars and keeping nearly all that money - that they blinded themselves to the risks from exotic financial products built on an unsustainable housing bubble.

If the tax rates had been kept at Eisenhower or Kennedy levels, not only would there have been plenty of money to keep the United States modern and strong but there likely would not have been the kind of financial crisis that, since 2008, has cost millions of jobs and required massive government borrowing to bail out the greedy bankers.

Thus, in a variety of ways, the Right's orthodoxy of low taxes on the rich (or the "job creators," as Republican wordsmiths prefer) has been a major driver in creating today's massive federal debt and in savaging the middle class.

What more can be said of Bishop Daniel Jenky's "sermon" other than the fact that he is extremely ignorant and lacks common civility regarding the President of the United States! The members of the Roman Catholic Church in the Archdiocese of Peroria, Illinois would do well to avoid this religious demagogue lest they be accused of following in the footsteps of intolerance and baffoonery! Oh, yes I am a Catholic!

"Why is this church's tax exemption not revoked? Churches are not allowed to engage in political activity!!!!"

I guess when the government stops meddling in the Catholic Churches moral policies then I suppose the Catholic Church wouldn't have to take a stand. What Obama is doing is unconstitutional. What happened to the separation of chruch and state? I would think it should work both ways. Obama's community organzing days are finally paying off! He is still instigating trouble between the races, between Church and state, between the rich and the not so rich. This country has never been so divided! And you Liberals want him for 4 more years? Seriously?

So where do these Evangelicals get off calling themselves followers of Christ?? They want to wage war on other religions; they want to force their beliefs on others; they are all for the death penalty; They want to surgically remove the gayness out of gays because it’s un-Christian—UHH?? If these characters actually met Jesus Christ, they would label him a drugged out hippie and have him arrested!!

What kind of messed up belief system do you follow? Where did you get the idea that Christ would even allow you to continue in the same lifestyle as you had before? If you say that Christians force their beliefs on others then you can say the same thing about Christ. Remember " Go and sin no more"( John 5:14, John 8:11)

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!

DWEvans, you're as crappy a "Christian" as any agnostic.

Although neighborly, a Christian would not extend a false worship location to Muslims, Jews or Buddhist (or even Wiccans) until their own building is complete.

Apparently you think Christ was such a pushover that we was wrong is saying "I am the Way and the Light, and you only go to the Father but through Me."

Be neighborly, yes. But do not facilitate another's religion to partake in their denial of Christ as mankind's Savior just to save political/New Age face.

You don't get it in the South -- you'll have to answer to the Trinity why you sanctioned others to worship a false idea of "Allah" and other man-made BS such as the vast array of man-as-god Eastern religions...

People, get real. Many religions, including the LDS Church that Romney belongs to, have investments in the private sector as a source of revenue and are not reliant on tithing or donations alone. The Catholic Church has expanded into education and health care, specifically taking over a lot of hospitals. Why? Because it is profitable, and they do NOT want to abide by labor laws or regulation of any kind--not just being tax exempt--and are using religious freedom as cover for their greed. And this is because membership has plummeted and their wealth from old land holdings, etc. no longer generate the money the want to live like the monarchy they think they are.

justiceforall; your comment soared right over their heads - so I'll state it more bluntly. The Catholic church saw the killing of Jews in a very positive light (eliminate the competition) and harbored Nazi war criminals when Germany was falling. Even recently Nazi SS were still given protection by that church.

Our history books (in Public Schools) are full of miss information about what we did and stood for as a nation - and now Texas and other States want to brainwash your kids even further. I'm all for teaching the real truth about the history of religion in public schools - I doubt Texas and other States will ever allow the true versions of what religions have done throughout time. The dumb-ass schools still teach that Columbus was a hero - in 200 years people are going to look at what we were taught and wonder how so many scams were able to be pulled off in our time... the willing make the rest of us look stupid.

Christians are so insecure that they will spout anything just to appear as though they are super Christians. God sees through your sales pitch and is offended that you feel the need to praise him/her for every last thing that happens in your life. Praise God; I finally passed that stuck turd that has been lodged in my rump for 3 days... lmao. What won't a Christian praise God for - talk about self worship - if I was God I'd tell them enough is enough, leave me alone. Pride is supposed to be the biggest sin of all - but every Christians Facebook page is full of posts about how proud they are of every little thing they or a family member does... totally clueless to how transparent they are.

Religious nutjobs sure don't want to run the government. No they don't.

Vote Republican and vote for Islam in 2012!

Or vote Democratic and vote Communist!

.... OR listen to a moron posing as someone with a tiny bit of knowledge like Derek ..!

ASK DEREK...HE knows EVERYTHING !!

WONDERFUL TO SEE SO MANY CATHOLICS & THEIR SUPPORTERS

VOIDING honest dissenting opinions here today....

even tho not one person brought up the molestation addictions of said "church"

you make the secular world's point thry your RAMPANT CENSORSHIP

which in case you do not know any history...

is owned by totalitarians & dictatorship on this planet...

So which is the RC Church ?

Totalitarian or Dictatorial.......

or just plain STUPID ?

gimmieabreak,

Christianity is also an Eastern religion and Allah is another name for God. Just as Yahweh is another name for Allah. Please learn some religious history before shouting what the Church wants you to from the mountain top.

wow, the anti -religious, anti-catholic crowd is out in force today;

JUST REMEMBER: the largest voting block int this country is over 55, second largest is the Catholics, together over 50 million votes, politicians do know how to do two things, count money and count votes.

Ironic that the Catholic Bishops came out against Obamacare. Why? Politics alone.

Under Obamacare, 30 million will get insurance--why would catholic bishops be against that????

Just because he doesn't agree with your point of view doesn't make him Hitler. Heck, if that was enough to qualify people as Hilter, then I'm surrounded by Hilters.

#1. Abortion is legal. It is the law of the land. To be Pro-Abortion is to be in keeping with the law... To be Anti-Abortion is to support illegal activity.

This is the most ridiculous leap in logic I've ever seen. Abortion is legal...to a point. That is the law. Being anti-abortion does not support illegal activity...it is the position of being against abortion.

Liberals and logic just don't mix.

Braindamage,

You are funny! I don't believe I've seen someone whine about someone else's faith as well as you in a long time :) I understand it's a mantra of the lib's but you do it well...take a bow little lady! I had to go back and read it again...it's too funny! I think I'll print it out for all of my atheist friends to laugh at. You did miss your requisite Bush bashing and infantile right-bashing however, I'm a little disappointed but I'm sure you'll make up for it...go get 'em lefty! I need the laughter!!

Mister Fids! YOU ARE MY MUSLIM BROTHER!! I am so glad you spoke up. Now I know you hide that Koran from time to time, but it is due for you to break it out and preach, my man!

Watch your Hubris, though Mister Fields. As you are well aware, it is only Allah who knows everything! If I am a moron, it is only before your greatest worship, Allah! And in that regard, you and I stand together!

Islam is your faith and I can tell from your post! Throw out the godless Commies in 2012! Vote for Republican Muslims, Mullah Romney and you and I can put your Koran to work in government!

He doesn't have to agree with Obama, but he should at least respect him.

Why? Respect has to be earned.

As far as the argument of Christians pushing their beliefs on others... just because someone claims to be Christain does not mean they really are. I can shout from the rooftops that I am Queen of England but that doesn't make it true. What you are shows in actions, not words.

The priest is absolutely wrong in his assessment and the antidefamation league is right to call him out. I also object to Limbaughs use of the term "femi-nazi for the same reason. It completely diminshes the suffering and the horror imposed by the third reich on its victims. Disagree with the policies if you like, but he is in no way even remotely comparable to Hitler. It is disgusting.

As far as him being an extreme leftist that is also false. Most of his policies are considered pretty much in the middle, however when they are compared to the far right wing of the republican party they may seem that way. Eisenhower and even Reagan would not stand a chance in this field. As far as the claim of redistribution of wealth, that is a bunch of bs. I paid more in taxes as a percentage of my income than Romney, and I am not even in a 6 figure bracket. Giving huge tax cuts to the wealthy just bankrupts the country even more. And how about all those corporations that pay zero in taxes?

The far right would impose their religious beliefs on us all and tr and make them into law. Just look at some of the crazy laws we are facing, for instance in Arizona, an employer could legally fire a woman if they find her using birth control for its intended purposee; other states teaching "intelligent design", the list goes on and on.

Finally one correction regarding religion. Not all faiths believe their path is the only one. I will not disclose mine except to say that we believe that God does not care one iota what you believe, only in how you behave, so that everyone, regardless of where they worship, can achieve his blessings.

Belief in a super being results from humans'insecurity with themselves and their surroundings. It's fostered by man's ignorance of the natural world. It's an outcome of self-elitism--I'm a human being, therefore, I did not evolve from lower species; I was created as I am, in the image of a supreme being. Also, and most important to the insecure mind, is the belief of everlasting life. To the insecure and self-pitying type, the promise of everlasting life is to great to dismiss. Thus, even though they can't see, hear, or locatethis everlasting lifestyle/location (that doesn't exist), they will continue to cherish it, hope for it, and devotetheir life on Earth to it (a complete waste of effort), and make up a fantasy world to appease their delusional desire. They will even hurt, maim and kill those that try to snap them out of their fantasy.

Just where do you get off putting my lifestyle, my belief system in your own convenient little box? People like you, and most of the apparently ill-bred mouthpieces posting their hate, vile, and venom on this thread make me feel so sorry for you all. It must be such a hard road to travel with so much negative weight and hate bearing down on you.

If you don't believe in God, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit that's fine. I cannot however, find one single reason you feel it is necessary to insult my intelligence, assert that all Christians suffer from a mass hysterical delusion, or we're just loony. No, you didn't specifically make those allegations, but you sure did insinuate them. I do not appreciate all of the insults being hurled at Christians on this thread. Reminds me of a pack of dogs foaming at the mouth or a group of primary school bullies on the playground picking on the ones who march to the beat of a different drum. Respect is earned, but not with insults.

I am a believer in the Holy Trinity as well as the Word of God and I try to live a life by the instructions given to mankind by Jesus. I am not always successful in doing so, but I still try. However, I am not a believer in the doctrines and dogmas of any religions created by man. Man's religions are corrupt and deceitful with most having an underlying agenda that does not truly serve to benefit mankind in general.

Christians have done, and do more so now than in previous generations to show the world blatant hypocrisy. The average professing Christians are the ones who have destroyed the religion from within by their own actions and deeds. Revelation spells this out clearly in the letters to the seven churches. I am saddened by the actions and behavior of the average professing Christian, but have come to expect it as "business as usual" for this day and age. What saddens me most though, is all of the souls who will miss out on eternal life due to the actions and hypocrisy of the Christians in today's world.

Whether you believe in the Bible as Holy scripture or not the whole book and the secret to living a life by it's standards was summed up in one short sentence by Jesus.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Actually Realist[sic]-502574, the do unto others rule is a ripoff from Confucius about 5 centuries before christ.. Not a new concept at that point.. So all you have to bring to the table is a ripped off view of how to live life, and you try and justify ALL the other blatant crap that's jammed into the fine print?

In regard to the post you quoted... It hurts to hear the truth sometimes huh?

jimreaper 1.114-

I don't recall an outcry among you Lefties for the demand of respect for George Bush.

Mmmm, maybe because I'm a moderate and not a 'lefty'?

1.140 - Rene278

He doesn't have to agree with Obama, but he should at least respect him.

Why? Respect has to be earned.

So you're saying you need someone to explain to you why a major religious leader should respect a major US political leader, [and our chief executive], in a disagreement over policy?

How about this: The President of the United States, [any President] is elected to the office, by the citizens of the US in a free election, to work on behalf of the citizens of the US regardless of their [or his] religious or political affiliations. He is answerable to the citizens of the US for his actions and policies, [or failures], and can be removed or lose re-election for those or other reasons...by those same citizens of the US.

The bishop however, [any bishop], wasn't elected to anything by the citizens of the US; nor were the voting-age citizens of the US given a choice in his [appointment], nor was he asked by the citizens of the US to represent us and our interests in any manner on any subject, political, religious or scientific.

The bishop isn't working for us, doesn't answer to us, doesn't represent us, puts his special interest group ahead of all other considerations including all other churches, and can't be removed from office by us even if he violates our laws.

The President answers to 'We The People', the bishop answers to his church hierarchy.

An elected representative deserves respect, whether you agree with his policies or not. If the bishop cannot extend that respect, why should anyone extend respect to him?

It's perfectly legal for churches to engage in overt political activity, but if they do, they are supposed to lose tax-exempt status. The issue has nothing to do with "separation of church and state", which itself is more of a belief held by many of the individual founders than anything else. The constitution states that government cannot establish a state religion. If you want to call that separation of church and state, fine, but most people think of it as complete and total secularism in government. I wish that were the case, but it's not.

Frank: EVERY CHILD during those times in Germany, Poland, etc. HAD to be in Hitler's Youth. They had NO CHOICE.

If the DEFICIT and NATIONAL DEBT do matters for Your Concerns.

As we Always Heard the Saying of blaming each others...WASTING TAX's PAYER MONEY.please cut the craps.

Republican,Tea-Party,Independent,Libertarian,Democrate are all human after all,

The biggest problem most people have with affordable mandated health-care is a burden to them or just politically rascist base in-line or First Amendment abuse,etc..as the Reasons or Label The President proposed obamacare,as Socialist,Communist,Fascist,Liberal,Conservative and many other kinds,etc Are these people out of their minds ?, the truth they still prefers to spend on cigarettes,beers,big fancy cars,big house,partying,etc,and many still keeps believing counting on government assistance or free E.R? or you're too naive,by bragging can be cover with your own cash or maybe lying to yourselves politically,since presently with good paying jobs that offer health-care but have you think of sudden job lost and not having this covered ?Don't put your eggs in one basket or depends solely on your pay check or on 401(k) savings account that means for old age safety net.

Try to spend within your limit, you still can, while you're still young ,and still working,the 50% is a good target habit of spending limit of your income as soon as you can do so in order to earn plenty of money for old age.The left over money coming from your employment paycheck is smaller, but you learn to manage to spend only what you have and have savings.

Calculate your average amount of expenses by tracking all your costs for meal, taxes, gas, clothing, medical, vacation, utilities,rent and then decide how much of what is left after paying the bills that you are willing to set aside as saving.

US I bonds are a good solution because you earn interest on the amount of inflation plus a small rate of interest. Put a small amount of money aside in a savings bond and they can be a life saver in an emergency since you can cash them after 6 months.Best of all,you don't have to DEPENDS anyone for last minutes Loan.

Renting home (property) is much better options when you're still young & still working rather buying one that can financially burdening with interests & stressing you out at early years with smaller income,this give you plenty of options(unforeseen) or a must to move elsewhere forcing losing money on your investment, you can still purchase it later if you really like the place.America is a huge place for everyone,property ain't the only the good investment options,while the interest alone will definitely kills you later days then you will realised how screwed you in.

I can considers my self lucky after able to purchase (Now) at 48 yrs old with good bargain price now,a piece of land ranch ,that i paid in cash half,another half by bank loan,intended to pay another half while i'm still working with paycheck till 55 before decided to retire and finish the loan off if its still outstanding,maybe I need just a small amount to utilise from 401(k) savings account maybe,the rest shall be in Bank,The interest alone,surely it able to PAY off my annual HEALTH CARE premium fees and giving me plenty of Holidays and joys in spending my retirement's life.

Having met with several small business men and women in the recent past, none of whom can afford Obamacare or the intendent rules that will apply come the year 2014, I have to question who the heck can afford to pay for all the malcontents and lazy people we currently hold as American citizens as well as the illegal aliens who will benefit from this boondoogle. None of whom would have lasted one year if the Puritans and Pilgrims were still here. If you did not produce, you did not share, and I do not refer to the female reproductive options here but producing goods that could be bartered and or sold to others in the colony. Somehow, the do gooders have over extended the intent of good will to include anyone, even it that one refuses to participate in the growing need for productive Americans.
Those who have advocated for taking from the rich to give to the lazy need to rethink that theory. It is not wise nor is it prudent. We may not like the rich, though some are really nice and have earned respect. But it is their right to keep what they have earned and to do with it as they wish. They earned that right. And the interesting thing is, you or I could join their ranks by virtue of our own hard labor. If you wish to work your butt off and make lots of money after years of hard labor, and many overtime hours during any given day, and then give it away; by all means do so. But to demand that of anyone else is downright ridiculous. That is what aids those who compare Mr. Obama with the socialist left. And anything that smacks of socialism in America, stinks. So if the shoe fits, Mr. Obama; wear it but don't complain to me if it pinches.

We'll do all that, when the GOP/TP Demented, start paying the full rate of tax. As you say, those who do not produce etc, etc, a definitely demented outlook but, when standing in glasshouses stupid people should not throw stones. Go back to your cult...for further indoctrination.

An elected representative deserves respect, whether you agree with his policies or not. If the bishop cannot extend that respect, why should anyone extend respect to him?

I did not elect him, and I do not respect him. And I didn't sat I respected the bishop, either.

if the shoe fits, then it doesn't pinch.

Rene278 - then exactly who do you respect?

Rene 278-

"I did not elect him, and I do not respect him. And I didn't sat I respected the bishop"...

Do you 'not respect' the President, or do you 'not respect' his policies, or do you 'not respect' the man?

The distinction matters or I wouldn't ask.

To ANYONE who thinks Stalin was a "socialist", he was not !! He labeled himself a socialist, but true socialism has never happened. Look up the full name of the NAZI party (national socialist workers party), THEY TOO called themselves "socialists", like Stalin, Hitler was also an imperialistic fascist. Hilter and Stalin were both Czarist type imperialists, with a taste for regality, but an unequaled appetite for power.

They both put Millions in death camps, and conquered land and stole natural resources, farm produce, grain, money, art, etc...the list goes on and on and on. They both were paranoid and killed many of their close allies out of fear. The same scenario played out more than once throughout history, look at the Romans, with crucification and slavery(certainly not invented by the Romans).

Yes, we all heard the Peoria(article doesn't even say what state, Illinois ?) bishop compare oppression by "state power" and he used good ol' "uncle Joe"(Stalin) and Adolf as referneces, very poor choice but he is a bishop, and he was making a point about oppression by "state power"(government power). Tacky as it was, he did his job and got everyone discussing the issue.

Ruken: WTF is right.

I am so sick of people using Nazi references like it has zero meaning. One good thing about this country is that a president has one guaranteed term (baring anything bad happening) and if the people want him or her back, they get only one renewal and then we are done with them. This is by far one of the fairest system in the world. I know some people do not like the current president, but even if he gets a second term in November that is it. I only wish our congress was held to the same rule.

Amen Jahmekan amen. My Senator doesn't even live in my state and hasn't for years. He almost had his right to vote in elections taken away because of it. But in my heavily GOP state a penalty for a GOP senator would never happen. The bastard is 80 years old and been in office for 40 years. George Washington set the standard ----two terms and then GO HOME and get a job!!!!!

No, they are comparing them to Obama's policy's.

No, they are comparing them to Obama's policy's.

Which is arguably worse. Of course I shouldn't expect much from the Catholic Church as of late.

Let us not forget that the pope at the time, made a deal with hitler, not to interfere with the nazi movement in exchange for not being targeted by the hate machine. There are plenty of pictures showing the pope and hitler together... more like poop pius the XII.

"In clear violation of our First Amendment rights, Barack Obama, with his radical, pro-abortion and extreme secularist agenda, now seems intent on following a similar path," he said.

Pro-abortion? Is that like forcing women to have abortions or is it allowing women the ability to choose for themselves based on their very own individual beliefs? I've never known a pro-choice person to force anyone to have an abortion. I've never known a pro gun rights advocate to force anyone to own a gun. But I have known anti abortionists and anti gun rights advocates that want to force their beliefs on me!

NO Apology!

I agree with most of what you say, however, when they use taxpayer monies to fund abortions, they are forcing pro abortion on people who are anti abortion and actually pay taxes. And they have and they do.

He clearly does not compare Obama to them he only compares the policies. Now that doesn't make it right - but it is a big difference. Not to mention the specific comparisons he makes are accurate.

ooomy, the Hyde Amendment stopped tax payer funded abortions a long time ago. That said, there are always causes/policies that are funded by our taxes that some taxpayers on either side of the political spectrum may disagree with (war, foreign aid, bridges to nowhere, education, welfare, farm subsidies, etc). We don't get to pick and choose where our taxes go.

The genocidal maniacs did other things during their reigns. Some of which were aimed at the Catholic church especially in Poland. In Poland the church could have been a strong leadership force so in some villages the SS lined up the mayor,schoolteacher and priest and shot them. Survival became more important than opening your mouth. They closed the semenaries including the one John Paul II attended. So they began to continue those classes in apartments and other hidden locations. So the attack on the Catholic colleges does seem a bit familiar. He also named other european leaders who closed the Catholic education systems in their countries I guess you missed that part. Daryl I would welcome stopping all federal monies then you would have no right to try to interfer. Of course you will have to go to some other law school besides Georgetown and St Edwards.

Ruken

You're comparing Obama to genocidal maniacs?

One response: WTF!

Ya don't insult them like that, Obama is much worse.

WTF?

Actually, Hitler and Obama are not to far apart.

Their rise to prowess was very similar, blame the econemy on someone else, i.e. the Jews or the Rich.

They both rose to power after an economic decline of a huge scale.

The both want to take something from another person. For Obama taxing the rich, For Hitler the Sudetenland, parts of Poland, the Rhineland, and Austria being only a few.

Both waged "warfare" against classes, undesirables for Hitler, the Rich for Obama.

But, their motives for power may or may not be the same, though Hitler did not commit many evils until after the invasion of Poland in 1939.

extremism at it's worse. both Robbob and the priest.

Scentor101 just wow wish I had your kind of brain power. Lets see

Actually, Hitler and Republicans are not to far apart.

Their rise to prowess was very similar, blame the econemy on someone else, i.e. the Jews or the Rich.

They both rose to power after an economic decline of a huge scale.

The both want to take something from another person. For Republicans taxing the poor, middle class For Republicans the Sudetenland, parts of Poland, the Rhineland, and Austria being only a few were not enough.

Both waged "warfare" against classes, undesirables for Hitler, the poor, middle class for Republicans.

But, their motives for power may or may not be the same, though Hitler did not commit many evils until after the invasion of Poland in 1939.

thanks

And again I ask, why are these institutions tax free? If churches are so able to influence what our government does, then they should pay taxes like the rest of us...

This Bishop is preaching hatred just like the rest of them... His time will come when he has to answer to his maker... And if it were up to me, I'd put his sorry ar$$ in jail...

"I agree with most of what you say, however, when they use taxpayer monies to fund abortions, they are forcing pro abortion on people who are anti abortion and actually pay taxes. And they have and they do."

But it's okay that I cover the cost of non taxpaying churchs even though I don't believe in the same things as them?

this guys is a classic.... he represents the Catholic Church, which essentially supported hitler in WW2, which conducted the Crusades, routinely tortured people in the most obscene ways during the Inquisition, and, most recently, supported aided and abetted in organizational child abuse and molestation by members of its priesthood. and he wants ME to afford him any legitinmacy when he compares my president to hitler and stalin? that is frigging RICH. tell us how your pedophiliac priests are "men of god" you hypocrite.

It does sort of make you wonder if he can think and breathe at the same time.

Don't give anybody an apology Bishop Jenky. You are right. Obama needs to finally come out of the commie closet and admit what he really is and what his true agenda is. No one who hangs around with radicals like Bill Ayers, and 'preachers' like Jerimiah Wright for 20 years won't convince me that he loves America and the Constitution. His 'fundamental changing of America' and spreading the wealth around will be based on his past radical experience. That is all he knows and the only thing on his resume. Obama is a Communist.

Some of you have your eyes closed and are walking into a trap. The issue is Obama trashing the constitution and the infringing on freedom of religion. Force a church to go against it's stated principles is against the constitution. The constitution is there to protect ALL of us.

By not understanding the real issue you are going to be handing your liberty and freedom over to another overzealous government and taking all of us with you. Thats not fair.

giving control of your life over to any one group or government is a really bad idea.

This is an interesting read... Especially paragraphs 7 through 9...

http://au.org/files/pdf_documents/2012-04-19-AU-leter-to-the-IRS.pdf?utm_source=AU+main+email+list&utm_campaign=5dc11fc7dc-4_12_2012+-+catholic&utm_medium=email

Not that it would go anywhere... but still.

Mr. Bishop, take care of a LITTLE unfinished business at home before judging and/or lying on others. Correction, as I remember the BIBLE teaches; "Donot judge other, least ye shall be judged". Confession time?

Oh my God Scenter, rounding people up and shooting them is TOTALLY the same thing as raising their marginal tax rate on incomes over $250,000 by 3 percentage points. You're a GENIUS!

This fool needs to be defrocked.

V...

RandyEK

Secularism is a religion; it is a Godless religion, but it is a religion non-the-less - secularism (1851); U.S. Constitution (1787) = do the math.

This is the definition of SECULARISM:

sec·u·lar·ism n.

1. Religious skepticism or indifference.
2. The view that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public education.

How is that a religion?
Is Secularism a religion of indifference to religion?
Is it therefore indifferent to itself?

Secularism is a religion; it is a Godless religion, but it is a religion non-the-less - secularism (1851); U.S. Constitution (1787) = do the math.

This is the definition of SECULARISM:

sec·u·lar·ism n.

1. Religious skepticism or indifference.
2. The view that religious considerations should be excluded from civil affairs or public education.

How is that a religion?
Is Secularism a religion of indifference to religion?
Is it therefore indifferent to itself?

You should have started with the definition of "Religion":

Religion: a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by

Secularism is the very definition of a religion; a religion that was coined in 1851 by one man in reference to an idea he had yet to fully define - and is still not fully defined.

Remind the bishop what the catholic priest did to our kids.The president is a man of courage and a protector of women.

Jason, care to provide evidence from a respected republican, and I am fairly certain that Republicans do not want the sudetenland.

Spike I clearly said:

But, their motives for power may or may not be the same...

Who is the genius now.

Islam, Catholic, Episcopalian, Hindu...doesn't matter. Religion needs followers not thinkers. Idiots like this will tell us what to think, but never when to think, because then they'd be out of a job and the only skills they have mean they'd end up selling life insurance.

So what he said is so much worse than what Rev. Wright said when Obama was running for office, or any of the other churches did while campaigning for Obama????????

Can not have it both ways, love to see some of the church haters on here denounce Rev Wright.

LOL, this coming from a representative of an organization that covers up pedophiles, that's just sooo funny!!

Auto1rn, What are you talking about? There is no judgment from the bishop. Simply stating facts about obamacare is not a judgment, it' telling the truth. And the truth is Obama care is forcing religious groups to do things that are against their stated principles.

That bishop should have made it even more interesting. He could have actually offered proof that any average Joe not-really-a-plumber could understand!

Bishop Jenky, "I have proof that President Obama and Adolph Hitler share the same ideals and agendas. After reading through countless documents, decades of research, and late-night interviews with hundreds of witnesses I have discovered that both Barrack Obama and Adolph Hitler ate soup with their left hands. As you can see, this information is quite useful and the public should be made aware of this as proof that they are exactly alike!"

What is sad is that there would be Republican fools ready to back that logic up. No joke. They would come out of the woodwork just to tell everybody how this Bishop's research was well-worth the funding and is full of truth.

Typical republican: "Well that's all the proof I need. I always knew there was something odd about that black president. He's following Adolph Hitler. Probably dreams about him in his sleep. They both think exactly alike. They even eat soup the same way."

Tax the churches, tax the properties and businesses owned by the churches. Enough of these theocratic clowns.

Hey Jack. Since when did the GOP become a religion?

Here we go again, Dems deflecting, more smoke and mirrors....it's about a college students, it's about a dog, it's about working mothers, it's about Mormons, it's about Limbaugh, it's about Catholics, it's about Trayvon and Zimmerman, it's about ANYTHING BUT Obama's failures...the debt, deficit, joblessness, housing, hot mic revelations, Fast & Furious, pipeline, creating class warfare, creating a non-existent Rep. war on women... And NOW it's about ONE person's sermon. ONE Person. He's only fed up with Obama trying to dismantle what America was set out as. Obama's pastor is fed up with every white person and our country as a whole. And what did we hear from the left??? Oh, that's only ONE person.

Hitler was loved by millions in the beginning...

How ironic...the Catholic Church has killed more people in the name of God than Hitler or Stalin and the abuse of children is enormous. What a joke.

Asimplicity1, you're an idiot.

La vie, LMAO! You get the award for funniestand most inane post of the day.

The right of conscience and free exercises thereof as expressly provided for in the first amendment of the United States constitution dictates that Congress shall pass no laws effecting the freedom of religion or effecting the free exercise thereof; which means congress cannot mandate a litmus test be administered in exchange for access to public commerce.

Obama-care mandates that everyone that wishes to participates in public commerce must first agree to violate their conscience by contributing to acts that their conscience cannot accept.

This is the very definition of tyranny - Stalin and Hitler where tyrants.

Asimplicity1,

my original comment about you stands. Where are you getting these quotes? from your backside?? Really?

Nobody would ever say that getting raped is a blessing.

If you had any understanding of the conservative platform you would know that the power would be with the people, so there wouldn't be a "war on women" EVERYBODY would have the FREEDOM to pursue their own God (yes i said it, God) given right to liberty. Even you.

It was just a few years ago that the leftists in this country were marching around with posters of Bush wearing a Hitler mustache....but when the card is flipped....they demand apologies? Just a few years ago we had Democrat politicians making this comparison and saying things much worse about the sitting President. It's not that I approve of this sort of thing....but what makes leftist liberals think it's ok for them to do this sort of thing but when it turns around onto somebody on their side they suddenly become outraged...demanding apologies?

Again were is the church hating liberal left's outrage for Rev Wright's comments or all the other "churches" campaigning for Obama during his campaign. What about all the stuff Al & Jess spew.

Can not have it both ways, come on lets go lefties start attacking that.

GOP repeal of The Obamacare.

Scotus VS The Obamacare & The Massachusetts Mandated Health Insurance Law.
Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, (two-thirds of both houses concurring), That the following article be proposed to the legislatures of the several States as an amendment to the constitution of the United States, which, when ratified by three-fourths of said Legislatures, shall be valid, to all intents and purposes, as a part of the said Constitution, namely: Article XIII. Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

1) Does the SCOTUS have the *authority* to overturn a constitutional amendment? No, for all the reasons as above .
2) Does the SCOTUS have the *power* to do so in practice? Yes. It can issue a ruling that eviscerates an amendment of any legal meaning, and that ruling will be final and unappealable. The example of this is the Slaughterhouse Cases opinion, which in practical terms read nearly all meaning out of the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the 14th amendment.
The U.S. Supreme Court has power.The Massachusetts Court has power either.
The U.S. Supreme Court has no power.The Massachusetts Court has no power either.
A part of the US Constitution would only be invalid if it is inconsistent with another part -- and if two parts are inconsistent like that, then one way of resolving the problem is to go with the part enacted later. So, if it were ever asked to do so, the SCOTUS could declare the Eighteenth Amendment now invalid, since it is inconsistent with the Twenty-First Amendment (which repealed it).
"No," the SCOTUS can't say an amendment is unconstitutional, but they can interpret the constitution in such a way that it renders the part of the constitution as ineffective. So in reality, yes they can do this.
This is the joint resolution adopting the Thirteenth Amendment and proposing it to the states for ratification. Like any other measure enacted by Congress, it is subject to the constitutional and other provisions for enactment -- and that is at least in principle reviewable by the Court. A proposed amendment not properly enacted by Congress or properly ratified is not an effective amendment, and no part (at least yet) of the Constitution.

The VERDICT must be: UPHELD by NO other means,under the Constitution, The Scotus can do much about it..

The President is right on this matter pertaining what I have refers above.

It amazes me how some people put a spin on what was said by coming up with "what he really meant to say was...". I'd rather go with what was actually said by this representative of the Catholic Church than something an anonymous poster twisted.

My take on this is that by associating the president with some historically evil characters, the Church is attempting to blow smoke over something they don't want exposed. Obama isn't making any individual use contraceptives or have any medical procedures if they don't want them.

If the Church decides they don't want to insure people, that's their decision. If they do want to be an insurance company just like the private sector companies, then they need to follow the same rules. If doesn't mean that their employees must use what is covered. The point is that the employees should have the same ability to use services that all other employees regularly use, and if the Church doesn't want to provide those services then private companies will take care of it for them.

Jack335, true the SCOTUS cannot overturn a Constitutional Amendment. They don't have to overturn it. They get to say what it means. Look at say the 14th Amendment it says all those born in or naturalized in the United States are citizens and entitled to all rights of citizens. But yet for years minorities were denied the right to vote by Jim Crow voting laws.

Holy sh*t, Murphy, you are so incorrect.

The Catholic Church didn't giv Hitler or the Nazis a "go card". If you look, lots of people and organizations across Europe were weary and terrified of every aspect of Hitler's advancing powers. To affront your ignorant BS, where were the Protestant churches in standing up to and stopping the Nazis? Pope Pius XII sure as hell knew Catholics were being killed as well as the widespread Jewish genocide.

And, it's a known (and documented fact) that Jews were housed and protected within Vatican City to escape the Nazis...

The Crusades were reactionary. The Muslims had been killing and overtaking Christian lands all across northern Africa and western Asia for nearly 400 YEARS before the Pope and European kingdoms finally stood up to the BS and conducted the first Crusade around 1100 (the Mohammedans began their aggressive conversion-or-death assaults within 30 years after Mohammed's death in 660.). Only the first Crusade could be considered "successful", the rest were losses. The Muslims were also so far as invading south-central Europe!

As in any war (look at the last ten years in Iraq and Afghanistan), there are always various "good parties" that have morons or self-serving a-holes that kill whomever and whatever they want -- and the "good guys" get 100% of the blame, as politicizing others say "see? That's what they all wanted to do anyways." Yes, Jews were killed during the Crusades, but they were robbers and other seedy people using the Crusades as a cover as they rode the trade routes from Europe into Palestine.

People, get real. Many religions, including the LDS Church that Romney belongs to, have investments in the private sector as a source of revenue and are not reliant on tithing or donations alone. The Catholic Church has expanded into education and health care, specifically taking over a lot of hospitals. Why? Because it is profitable, and they do NOT want to abide by labor laws or regulation of any kind--not just being tax exempt--and are using religious freedom as cover for their greed. And this is because membership has plummeted and their wealth from old land holdings, etc. no longer generate the money the want to live like the monarchy they think they are.

The issue is the Constitution? Right, now back to reality didn't hear a peep from anyone about the Constitution during the last administration. Let's be honest their were more than a few things that were unconstitutional, and not this lets grab onto anything we can finagle and get our base fired up type stuff. That's what gets me and why most middle of the road folks don't believe you, its obvious its just a hit job. When the new Republicans are eerily quiet on violations when its a member of their own party it just doesn't ring true when they call out someone else or when they trash it themselves. "'Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,' Bush screamed back. 'It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!'" in relations to discussions about the Patriot act multiple witnesses. Then Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez "The Constitution is an outdated document." Its also not the Democrats talking about replacing the Constitution with the ten commandments our very own Taliban if you will. Dominionism supported by and whose members include high ranking Republicans. Didn't they take a oath or something? I know there will be some clever retort or some other mumbo jumbo to confuse the issue, so this is to you. We can go back and forth and I can bring up issue after issue and we would get nowhere, facts, civil discourse, solving national problems can't happen unless Republicans clean up their party, Democrats especially. We need a honest discussion with a viable Republican party. I won't vote for Obama but I cant even consider voting for a Republican right now. Suggestion maybe put Ron Paul as the head of the RNC. Hope for those who used to be in the party but were pushed out because they stayed true conservatives and true to the Constitution but couldnt yell Jesus's name loud enough or in front of enough cameras. I pray in private in a closet its me and the Lords buisness not the Republican or Democratic party.

Why are the Catholics freaking out about including contraceptives in health
insurance, just because it's available does not mean you have to use it.

The world is getting crazier and crazier. Even the so called "leaders" and "the educated" are spewing non-sense.

Well, I look in every once in a while to check the sanity level. I see that it has sunk to a new low.

Why are the Catholics freaking out about including contraceptives in health
insurance,

More babies...more money for the church in the future.

Even the so called "leaders" and "the educated" are spewing non-sense.

I hope you're not including Ted Nugent in that group of "leaders" and "educated".

I'm outrage that a man of God compared the President to these mad men. The Catholic church needs to clean their own house first before they comment on anyone else. "Let the ones without sin cast the first stone." The Bishop should be outraged of many other things like no affordable health insurance for the poor. That people who make 30,000 a year pay more taxes then people who make a million a year. The Bishop should be stick to doing what Jesus wanted him to do taking care of the hungry and the people who are living on the streets.

Our founding Fathers had a reason for having the seperation of church and state for a reason. The Bishop should stick to a Homily about the Gospel and leave his personal beliefs to himself. Let him be more outrage about Priest hurting children and take care of the problems of the church.

The Mass is not the place to preach hateful words. I hope after Mass he went to confession. Like my grandmother always said " If you have nothing nice to say about someone then say nothing at all.

Kolchak72 - Maybe, they are freaking out because they don't want their parishioners to have the FREEDOM to choose. Now, whose infringing on the liberties afforded Americans in our Constitution? Any person or entity that seek to limit or deny my freedom of choice on any issue are infringing on the very freedom/liberty that so many have sacrificed their lives and treasures to preserve. Americans should WAKE UP and realize that games are being played to divide and conquer and, that the players will come from all segments of our society!

We must respect the first amendment rights of everyone, and even pastors should be allowed to speak with political overtures. The only thing is they should not reveal who to vote for.

This Bishop is no man of God, hes a dishonor to religion. No wonder millions of people stop going to church !

Patriot American: Millions of people has stopped going to church because they wanted to fulfill the prophesy( Mathew 24:4-14) .

⁴Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.⁵ For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.⁶ You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.⁷ Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.⁸ All these are the beginning of birth pains.

⁹ “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. (Christians)¹⁰ At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,¹¹ and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.¹² Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,¹³ but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.¹⁴ And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Afterall, don't you think the majority of people on this newsvine fits the above verses?

Huh. So, forcing religious institutions to give contraceptives... is as bad as a man who used to gas millions of jews? I... think my IQ just dropped a bit from reading that. Then again, it's become fashionable to throw the most extreme, most evil men around to try to drive home a point, no matter how hollow... or stupid.

Also "Unhappy-lotsanumbershere", people didn't stop going to Church to fulfill some prophecy, even though your ilk seek to point at EVERYTHING as the end of days/signs of God. I'm certain you saw a car covered in bird poop and screamed "OH LAWDY LAWDY IT'S HE WHO RIDES UPON THE WHITE HORSE!" too. Sigh.

No, people stopped going because they lost faith, they saw the evil, wickedness, the hatred, the hypocrisy of those who claim to be "faithful", when in fact they're using their invisible bestest best buddy to demean, hurt, even break up families and excommunicate members, simply because someone lives outside of THEIR personal view of the doctrine a bunch of old men came up with thousands of years ago that we translated... and there's still argument that we translated it incorrectly. In the Den of Liars and Thieves, there's almost no force greater in this world than the Church. It's the oldest anyway...

EEJAY, you and Kolchak72 are missing the point. The point is the Catholic church is losing their FREEDOM to choose, they are being forced to pay for and provide something that goes against their beliefs. That is against the constitution, against FREEDOM. If you want true FREEDOM you need to put power back with the people at a local level. Empower churches, non-profit and charitable groups who can really help people. and if you dont like a group, you will have the choice to go to another for help.

Obama wants to take those choices away from us.

Giving any one group or government the power over your life is a really bad idea.

If everyone REALLY wants to start a religious war - then these Catholic nitwits should continue pushing the envelope. When I was a child and where I grew up - Catholics were considered pagans. The only person worse than FDR was the Pope. I knew people that declared we should have bombed the Vatican to oblivion while we had the chance during WWII. A Catholic Bishop ranting against Obama would be an endorsement for Obama in the true 'conservative Christian' community.

Those people are still out there. Stuff like this is only throwing gasoline on smoldering embers.

This is just another reason to make sure we pitch the socialist Bozobama from office this November, as he's too dedicated to make sure there are as many babies murdered as possible. No more taxpayer-funded murder clinics. It's babies now, then they'll kill off the old and sick, then they will come for you when they don't agree with your opinion. The bishop is right on!

No, people stopped going because they lost faith, they saw the evil, wickedness, the hatred, the hypocrisy of those who claim to be "faithful",

Thamonkeh:It is a known fact that most molestations occuring inside the church were the result of gay men masquerading around as christians. So, why don't you put the blame on their group instead? The reason why you won't is because it kind of defeats your argument about your hatred for the church. Can these people really say they were christians? Afterall, did they "die to oneself"before entering the church?

when in fact they're using their invisible bestest best buddy to demean, hurt, even break up families and excommunicate members, simply because someone lives outside of THEIR personal view of the doctrine a bunch of old men came up with thousands of years ago that we translated.

Their personal view? If you want to put the blame on them for their own sin, then so be it. They should be held accountable. But if you are using it as an excuse to stop going to church period, then you are fullfilling the prophesy whether you like it or not. I'm pretty sure there are other churches who are free from scandal.

We are all to blame for what our fathers do. Blame the church of today for what happened a thousand years ago, typical libral logic to protect the King of America.

I'm sure glad he brought up the past.

“Remember that in past history other governments have tried to force Christians to huddle and hide only within the confines of their churches like the first disciples locked up in the Upper Room,” Jenky said.

Now let's talk about the Catholic churches' past. Remember the Inquisition? Lasted almost 300 years, torturing and murdering those who did not follow their faith. Yeah, do we need to go on about the rest of the horrors the church has put mankind through?

If this guy wants to bring up the past, let's tell the whole story. Isn't that fair?

Your drawing flies ! That's a sureBet !!

As I said above, religion is a business. The more children you have the more church members. The more revenue in the future. Therefore the church does not want contraceptives. Santorum does not want contraceptives in any form. He said sex was for married couples only. This is the republican party platform. Republicans put this man forward, they own the platform. At the same time republiconns want to end healthcare for women and children. So life is so precious that republiconns want to end foodstamps , healthcare, education, welfare for the needy and poor once a child is born, but by giving BILLIONS in corporate welfare with more tax breaks for the rich and greedy this proves they are not acting in a christian way. That is the republican way. Mr. pointy party hat has no clue how a family lives, how men and women act together, yet like the republiconn party, they want to tell you how to live.

On the hand hand, if the Bishop wore a cool pirates hat instead,......that might change my thinking! arrrrr!!!! Matey. Obama/Biden 2012...aaarrrrrrr!

this bishop makes bishop romney look halfway sane, what a bizarre world of religious hooey. I say send them both up to the Kolob System so the mormon god Elohim can take them out to the woodshed of the universe.

Saying such BLASPHEMIES is a SIN !

This Bishop should be kick out of the Church...go ahead an investigate his life!

The Church must give excuses to our President!

I find it amazing that the liberal left and the so called news people that are nothing more then political mouthpieces can spew hate and it is OK and not one word of condemnation or rebuke is sent their way but let a independent who is conservative or a Republican state something half as offensive as has come out of the liberals mouths and they stand up and cry out in righteousness indignation. Personally as a firm believer in free speech I feel everyone should have a right to express their views no matter what their political affiliation is, but then the liberals will try to tyrannize their supporters and sponsors until they in a moment of weakness pull the purse strings.

As my father always stated, 'If you do not want rocks thrown at you, maybe you might want to quit throwing them before you start yelling'. Fair play is fair play, if you want to call out that there is a war on women by the right while chastising women for staying home and raising their families out of one side of your mouth and then turn around and yell at another for working and not staying home is both moronic and stupid. If the liberals do not want rocks thrown at them then they should adhere to the same rules they are demanding others to stick to.

I hope Sirkiriver and PatrioticAmerican are all kidding, right?

Christianity is a religion. Catholicism is NOT a religion and is NOT a church. Catholicism is the law of a separate, independent, foreign government seated in Vatican City located in Rome, Italy. Catholicism is a foreign theocratic government. Period.

Foreign governments are not allowed to interfere with our domestic politics or interfere with our government. We are governed by the laws of the United States - not by foreign Catholic law. A citizen choosing Catholic law above the laws of the United States should forfeit their citizenship.

Catholic priests, bishops, and archbishops are emissaries of a foreign government residing the United States. Any attempt of the foreign Catholic emissaries to interfere with our domestic politics and our government should be expelled from the country.

Amendment 13,14 &15

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

However, both versions of the amendment posed serious challenges in being ratified by three-fourths of the states

. Unfortunate these states are GOP control States and Presidency.

The last extention of Jim Crow Laws Signed by G.W.Bush 0n 2006 on voting right act .Congress nonetheless voted to extend the Act for twenty-five years with its original enforcement provisions left intact.

(This where the GOP Control both House & Senate 2001-2006, and manipulates the populace of minorities of voting right act.)After this period G.W Bush VETOED 12 times,during late 2006-2009, when Democrates control the house & senate,the highest in American's History by any sitting President Veto.During 2001-2006 No Veto on his part till mid-term election.

Preclearance requirement of the States below (the Act's primary enforcement provision)

Alabama

Alaska

Arizona

Georgia, except for the city of Sandy Springs

Louisiana

Mississippi

South Carolina

Texas

Virginia, except for fourteen counties (Amherst, Augusta, Botetourt, Essex, Frederick, Greene, Middlesex, Page, Pulaski, Roanoke, Rockingham, Shenandoah, Washington and Warren) and four independent cities (Fairfax, Harrisonburg, Salem, and Winchester)

However, versions of the amendment serious challenges in being ratified by electing DEMOCRATES of the above states

This where the GOP -Tea party are fighting hard to the stages ,even to the extends of being "NO SHAME" by putting themselves bares & rather have the ideology of stupidity in control over them.

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Sometimes the truth hurts. obumbo and his socialist agenda does compare to Stalin.

I got a good idea lets send all the gay child molesters to prison. Take away the money that this evil thing called catholic religon is. I never heard of Obama rape children or anyone in the government hiding such acts if caught. Oh but wait that is what the Catholic church has been doing for hundreds of years. No women in the church guys run it and can't get married. Why any woman would want to be Catholic is beyond me. You can't be a priest orginal sin deal you know all women are bad. You just stay home be stupid and have our children and give us more money so we can fool around with your young boys.Hey being called Stalin is nicer than being called a Catholic priest

i support the bishop 100%,this is a freedom country and the bishop has the right to say that and defending its belief, i feel sorry for the people is not supporting their religion and churches.

Lonnie Nasatir of the Anti-Defamation League said there are few if any historic parallels to "the religious intolerance and anti-Semitism fostered in society by Stalin, and especially Hitler."

I have to respectfully disagree with him. The Catholic Church in Europe had a very long and nasty history of religious intolerance and anti-Semitism. Check your European history books.

Lonnie Nasitir of the Anti-Defamation League said the priest, "needs a history lesson." Seems to me Nasitir needs lessons in listening and logic. Just because the priest did not mention the deaths of Jews in the holocaust, does not mean he trivialized it. Isn't it possible to discuss other aspects and actions of Hitler and Stalin separate from the horrible genocide both of these demons committed? The priest limited his comments to the attitude of the leaders towards non-secular involvement in social services and education. Nasitir is throwing up the accusations about the holocaust as a straw-man argument to deflect the accuracy of the priest's comments.

@ErinsFire42 - By your logic, anyone that is not a native American and therefore doubt can never be President or have a chance to be elected President is an idiot for expressing an opinion on who should be President. You may not value his opinion. You may disagree. But calling him an idiot for expressing an opinion just because he does not have personal involvement is wrong. Another example - if you have never been the captain of a cruise ship and you are never likely to be captain of a cruise ship, does that mean you can't tell if they did a poor job at steering the ship? No you see that the ship has crashed into rocks. Perhaps the priest is applying the same sort of logic.

Coffco,

You are right, Obama has never raped anyone, he just raped the whole country by stealing our money and giving it to constituents that support him. Sadly our children and their children will pay for this as they will be the ones left to pay off the money that he has put us in debt. If you remember as Bush was leaving office Obama asked him if he would work with congress and have 2 trillion in stimulus money waiting for him when he took office, and since then has put us another 7 trillion in debt. To this point Obama has indebted this country more then all the presidents proceeding him. I hope and pray that he is one and done because I do not think this country can handle another four years of his reckless spending agenda.

I used to think Bush was terrible, but after watching Obama for 3 1/2 years Bush is looking like a better president every day and Obama is looking like the worst mistake we the people ever voted into office. Thank goodness come November we can rectify this, and then still I do not trust him to step down until I see his successor sitting in the oval office. I at this point would not put it past Obama and his supporters to make a power grab and ignore the people since he has shown that this is his way of operating over the past 3 1/2 years.

Coffco,

You are right, Obama has never raped anyone, he just raped the whole country by stealing our money and giving it to constituents that support him. Sadly our children and their children will pay for this as they will be the ones left to pay off the money that he has put us in debt. If you remember as Bush was leaving office Obama asked him if he would work with congress and have 2 trillion in stimulus money waiting for him when he took office, and since then has put us another 7 trillion in debt. To this point Obama has indebted this country more then all the presidents proceeding him. I hope and pray that he is one and done because I do not think this country can handle another four years of his reckless spending agenda.

I used to think Bush was terrible, but after watching Obama for 3 1/2 years Bush is looking like a better president every day and Obama is looking like the worst mistake we the people ever voted into office. Thank goodness come November we can rectify this, and then still I do not trust him to step down until I see his successor sitting in the oval office. I at this point would not put it past Obama and his supporters to make a power grab and ignore the people since he has shown that this is his way of operating over the past 3 1/2 years.

This is Awesome! All the liberal panties in a bundle.

It's official...the Republican party and everyone who supports them are now either religious, rich, or extremely stupid and uneducated.

I left the Catholic Church (and any Abrahamic Religions) back when I was 16, and it is times like these I am so very glad I did. So much for being a "Man of God" who is supposed to be "Christ-like". It sickens me. 12 million people died in the Holocaust (6 million Jews and 6 million non-Jews deemed enemies of the State) and Stalin killed between 20-40 million of his own people. One was a Right-wing Fascist (Socialist in the Nazi Party name was there because the Weimar Republic that controlled Germany following WWI outlawed Fascist Parties), and the other was a Totalitarian Communist (basically a leader who rules by fear without any actual concern for Communism or any other form of economics other than seeing money go into his/her own pocket). To equate these loathsome people with a President eho thinks access to medical science is a human right is beyond laughable, if it weren't for the threats of violence and assassination, by the likes of those like Ted Nugent and the Teabaggers.

Of course now having stated the truth, I will be flamed by the brainless Faux News watchers (read as GOP/Teabaggers/Neo-Cons/etc... who live in willful ignorance in the Information Age.

I just heard that all americans will have an oppurtunity to affordable healthcare. Its will be OBAMACARE. Huge difference maker for all americans. And its about time. This racket by the current healthcare system is a massive failure. A system that afforded a few but not all. And being part of the few....i applaude Obamacare so I dont have to pay for the rest. This is not an entitlement..rightwing thugnuts. Its LIFE. Bush tax cuts are entitlements. Oh and the Catholic priests...well most of them are rapists.

Actually, there are historical comparisons which support this statement. Hitler, in one of his first actions, socialized medicine, Obama, pushed through his "Affordable Care Act". Hitler nationalized the German auto industry to produce his war machine. Obama "saved" the American auto industry so they could produce his "Green" vehicles. Hitler forced eugenics to produce his "Master Race. Obama is forcing every employer and religious organization to fund abortions and birth control. This is a subtle form of eugenics, but, a self-designed one! Truthfully, I believe that if men could be pregnant birth control would be free and abortion clinics would be like 7-11s!

Stalin was supported, without question, by the Soviet's version of a press. Obama, with rare exceptions, is supported without question, by the leftist media. Stalin believed that the government should control what people ate, drove and believed. Obama.... well just look at the push to "regulate" sugar, fats and anything else the libs want to control. Hitler and Stalin believed that religion was the "opiate of the masses" and should be used to control. Obama wants to force Christian and Jewish faiths to support his agenda without regard to their beliefs. Stalin believed that industry should only produce for the "good" of the people and should not make evil "profits". Obama and his crew are carbon copies. If anyone disagreed with Stalin or Hitler they would "disappear", never to be heard of again. Obama.... well at least not yet!

Has this idiot ever spoken out like this against his own religion addressing the child molestation issues in the Catholic church. I bet not. When these pius freaks address their own horrible issues, they might have a little bit of room to talk about birth control or whatever else it is they want to take away from women. I was raised in the Catholic church and besides having to watch out for the molestors, the CAtholic church is nothing more than a cult. No better than Mormonism.

Asimplicity...Since you have that paragraph in quotes... Can you share with us WHICH Republican said that, when, where, and in what context?

Asimplicity...Since you have that paragraph in quotes... Can you share with us WHICH Republican said that, when, where, and in what context?

The ignorant comments that Obama has raped the country is typical of people who turn a blind eye to those who actually have raped the country. The right wing corporates who greedily took the country to the cleaners while sending our jobs overseas and got away with it because they have bought off politicians who protect them and do their bidding in Congress. The same ignorant and more often then not racists would rather hate the black guy and and put in place another corporate raider then let Obama get in again. Calling him Hitler, UnAmerican and so on is just how they think. No logic, no facts. What is really bad about them being so ignorant is that they will let the same crooks take the country for another ride again. Stupid and irresponsible is all that comes to mind.

"In clear violation of our First Amendment rights, Barack Obama, with his radical, pro-abortion and extreme secularist agenda, now seems intent on following a similar path,” he said.

and I agree.

Pete: could not agree with you more!

I come to recognise over the years what organised religion really is: A pox on society.

"The careful student of history will discover that Christianity has been of very little value in advancing civilization, but has done a great deal toward retarding it." -Matilda Joslyn Gage, Woman, Church and State, 1893

A little unscientific research on the subject of pedophilia shows that somewhere between 3 and 9% of the American population is in this group. A similar look at Church indicates that less than 1% of priest are probably pedophiles. SOOO.. your child's soccer coach, math teacher or uncle is probably at least three times more likely to abuse your child as the local priest. Can we just call the Catholic bashing for what it is?

@Pete, I feel the same way you feel. This is why I'm done with church. I thought as Christians, we are suppose to love each other no matter what. The church has become a mask for the devil. Since when do you go to church and the priest is talking about how evil the president is.

I'm in the same boat as you Panky.

I was baptized and confirmed Catholic, but now I see it for what it is: a bed of hypocrisy.

Pete - It is not the church's good-old-boy attitude toward sex, reproduction and women's rights that keeps me away from my childhood religion even though that view is repulsive. Rather it is their take on spirituality and cosmology that marches steadily toward the new religious right world view. Christ's life was centered on charity and compassion and I find these people totally devoid of that virtue. As long is these trends continue their churches will remain empty and the priesthood will dwindle to a vanishingly small number. If Jesus were alive today would he preach religious fundamentalism or would his posse be a bunch of liberal do-good-rs handing out condoms and preachers teaching the merits of evolution? My sentiment is with the latter.

Most Catholic people are very good folks and pretty cool too. The heirarchy? Different story. This guy has a right to his opinion just as I have a right to think he's a boy boinkin F tard and completly void of honesty. Welcome to America. They hate for our freedom remember. So this douche wants us to relinquish it to the church. F you comrad!

Wow, so the Catholic Church is aligned with the views of Ted Nugent. Nice

churches have had their issues and many of us agree that their dealings with the molestations were WRONG! But careful in your choice for the next election. The administration in place is not for the best of the people. The church has a huge influence and probably 60% + of the people would stand by the church, before they would stand by this administration.

Obama may not be a Hitler or a Stalin but by far one of our worse. That is my opinion.

It is beyond me how it is that this man, this bishop, keeps his head from exploding while containing the delusional contradictions it seems to.

In an act that violates the founder's intention regarding the First Amendment, of the separation of church and state, he stands within the shelter of a lovely and expensive, tax-exempt pulpit and complains about the president allegedly depriving him of his First Amendment rights (of freedom of religion).

To make it worse, he doesn't even recognize that the same president has acknowledged a church's right to conduct matters as they see fit, related to the operation of the actual church. It's when a church or religious institution inserts itself into the SECULAR WORLD, performing SECULAR FUNCTIONS, that they are required to follow SECULAR LAWS. When they operate schools, colleges, hospitals, etc., and employ and provide benfits to people who are not members of their church or faith, they have stepped beyond the protection of the First Amendment.

And, in the same way, when the leader of a religious faith PREACHES AGAINST GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS FROM THE PULPIT, instead of making personal opinion comments as an individual citizen, that should negate that institution's tax-exempt status! He is trying to have his cake and eat it, too.

Bill Deacon, I take it you're Catholic. I don't begrudge you your beliefs, but the Church has been slamming women for centuries, not to mention native populations. Don't you recall how the Pope divided the planet between Portugal and Spain? Talk about chutzpah! What gave him the right? The money and power of the Catholic Church.

And the Church may have helped a few Jews escape Nazi Germany, but by and large let it go on without much resistance. Then I saw that priest on the all male panel about birth control saying that he would shed his blood if need be to avoid offering contraception through health insurance..........well, let him go to China then. Let him go to any of the countries are suppressing and abusing their Christian populations and shed his blood in a worthier pursuit.

Black hills are you talking about the same Obama who tried to interfer in who could teach religion classes within church schools not only Catholic ones either.

Bill Deacon (really?),

Number games aside, pedophilia is pedophilia I don't care who does it. I don't think any victim of it will give a rat's backside as to what percentage the abuser falls into.

Yes, the church is full of hypocrasy - namely the people who attend. Doesn't matter if you are right or left, either you live by the morals and values that religion teaches, or you don't. Doesn't matter if you are catholic or Christian or muslim or jewish, either you live by the words you were raised by or you don't. Doesn't matter if you are the clergy or the flock. Hypocrasy is a human condition, not a religious condition.

Organized religion is a minor form of government. At least religion follows a standard of morality. The government is FAR more a "pox".. And even Atheism is a religion, so don't count yourself out of this.. you were raised with a set of values and morals, mostly Christian based, and whether you believe in a higher power or not, you still worship your values and morals. You still will stand by a set of rules that you were taught. You follow a religion, yours just isn't defined nor does it have a written history. You may worship money, or greed, or sex, or drugs, or a parent, or a person, or perhaps some other ideal, but you do worship something or someone. So before you go trashing on Catholics, or Christians, or religion in general, stop and realize that you are no better than anyone you are talking about. You are human, just like them, and subject to all the flaws of humanity. It is how you choose to live your life that sets you apart.

So, I go to the Catholic Church in 1977 to ask for a marriage ceremony. I'm told I cannot marry a divorcee in the church without jumping thru myriad hoops. I get married in a Methodist church. Fast forward 35 years, yep, still married to the same guy. What do I learn? That GOP fake Newt Gingrich converts and marries for the THIRD time, in the Catholic church. This lamb has strayed the flock. Now, this nonsense (yes, Jenkey is my Bishop). They need to clean up their own house, before they worry about everybody else's. Sacrilege.

It's not the number of pedophiles that angers people. I think we all agree that one is too many. The thing that angers people is that the church transferred and protected known cases, counseled victims to not press charges, and denied knowledge, access, and assistance when they became legal cases against them. In my book that's highly unethical at best and possibly illegal (if the statutes of limitations haven't passed).

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"A little unscientific research on the subject of pedophilia shows that somewhere between 3 and 9% of the American population is in this group. A similar look at Church indicates that less than 1% of priest are probably pedophiles. SOOO.. your child's soccer coach, math teacher or uncle is probably at least three times more likely to abuse your child as the local priest. Can we just call the Catholic bashing for what it is?"

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Even if and when the percentages are correct (which I happen to intensely doubt) the clear distinction is that as a member of the Clerus (Those with Religious function) priests have the authority of faith and religion to leverage against their victims. This is what it makes it all the more insidious and vile. It is the epitome of excercising controlling behaviour. They use (abuse) their religious position to influence the impressible minds and emotions, in order to subject their victims and enjoy personally obtain carnal satisfaction with them. This is total and hellish abuse and in that sense they surpass mentioned unmentionable dictaors and autocrats in their venality and cruelty.

This Fat fool, should be much more concerned about the disgusting child rapist's in the"Church" Clean up your own back yard You Pompus Jerk! Instead of Than trying to kiss up to the Right wing Republicans!

Liberals are always for "Freedom of Speech" UNTIL someone criticizes them!! LOL!!! HYPOCRITES!!!

Freedom of speech includes criticizing someone else's. No ones telling this @!$%# he can't speak out. But he deserves to get the blowback.

Joprdon--you're so ignorant it's pathetic. The conservatives (Republicant's) are the ones who are all for freedom of speech EXCEPT for anyone who doesn't agree with them.

Don't be so stupid.

No Ruken he wasn't comparing man to man he was comparing policy to policy. Obama's policies are like those of the named despots, Obama he not a psycho-path like they were but alsa he does share their political beliefs. As to Mr. Nasatir the Bishop was not talking about religion as a whole but stricktly from the Catholic perspective. The policies of the present admin. closely follow those of the named individuals in past history.

What is the big deal - The Bishop is right in his comparisons. As you can see, the Media wants to create another conflict, by creating Church Wars to go along with Mommy Wars, Class Warfare, & Racial Wars.
Congratulations on dividing this country even further apart!

The former Soviet Union couldn't get anything right--economy, politics, national defense, domestic policies--but one thing they were spot on was, "RELIGION IS THE OPIUM OF THE PEOPLE." Truer words were never spoken.

Belief in a super being results from humans' insecurity with themselves and their surroundings. It's fostered by man's ignorance of the natural world. It's an outcome of self-elitism--I'm a human being, therefore, I did not evolve from lower species; I was created as I am, in the image of a supreme being. Also, and most important to the insecure mind, is the belief of everlasting life. To the insecure and self-pitying type, the promise of everlasting life is to great to dismiss. Thus, even though they can't see, hear, or locate this everlasting lifestyle/location (that doesn't exist), they will continue to cherish it, hope for it, and devote their life on Earth to it (a complete waste of effort), and make up a fantasy world to appease their delusional desire. They will even hurt, maim and kill those that try to snap them out of their fantasy.

Whether your Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, etc., etc., makes no difference. Religion fills in a void that many people are incapable of filling or dealing with. Reality is unacceptable to these people.

The comical part in all of this is that many of the so called true believers really have no clue what their supposed religious Icon really stood for. They've been listening to self-righteous charlatans that want to control their minds, and have lost track of what Jesus, Mohamed, Abraham, Buddha, etc., really stood for. Case-n-point is the so called Evangelicals and born again Christians. Christ, a very influential MAN, had no possessions; he gave what he had to everyone, no matter if that person was rich or poor. He accepted all types--those that followed what he preached and those that did not. He didn't wage war against the Jews or the Arabs or the Romans. So where do these Evangelicals get off calling themselves followers of Christ?? They want to wage war on other religions; they want to force their beliefs on others; they are all for the death penalty; They want to surgically remove the gayness out of gays because it’s un-Christian—UHH?? If these characters actually met Jesus Christ, they would label him a drugged out hippie and have him arrested!!

Give me a break........

Justified Defiance

Why don't you post with your real name--Ted Nugget. Then we will all understand how twisted you really are.

The problem isn't the Bishop, or Ted Nugent, for that matter. Its the probably 50 million others who believe this hate. The President is a good American, who happens to see things differently than the hate and fear mongers on the right wing. When you sink to the level of this nasty, vile name-calling, you disrespect the very idea of "Freedom of Speech".

Guess he is entitled to his own opinion. Or is opinion not allowed by ALL in this country anymore? If you don't agree with him, then just ignore it.

The Catholic church (and other churches) needs to confine itself to the "spiritual" needs of its people and leave the political messages to the politicians! This isn't the 10th or 11th century any longer! We can think for ourselves and all are educated! And, yes, I used to be a practicing Catholic too! But I no longer need the church to tell me how to take care of my own body or how to make my own decisions!

As for Bishop Jenky...maybe he needs to reread history. It kinda looks like "the pot calling the kettle black!" (no bun intended) The Catholic church's own history could be placed right up there with Stalin and Hitler in that regard. I could go into detail but it would take hours to do that. But for a sampling, there were the crusades that killed thousands, and they were not just against the invaders of the Holy Lands, but also against women, so-called heretics, or anyone else that disagreed with the church.

And the Catholic church (and other churches) wonders why it keeps losing people? Maybe they should remember their primary goal...to minister to the "spiritual" needs of the people and not their "secular" needs...that's why we have governments of one sort or another!

That's just my opinion, for what it's worth.

And I don't care whether you agree with me or not.

Enough said.

You could go on in detail but you won't. Because, undoubtedly you would be selective by presenting data that only supports your attack and much of that would be wrong. But don't let that stop you from attacking the faith on which the entire western world was and is dependent on. It is your opinion and you don't care if anyone agrees with you. Apparently you don't care if you are correct or mistaken either.

Bill Deacon,

Why do you feel the need to bring the whole western world into your rant. I'm part of the western world and I'm not dependent on the Catholic church for anything. Don't believe in their religion and don't trust them and I'm sure there are alot of people out there that feel the same. So don't lump me into your group.

Bill Deacon:

I will answer you this time. I have spent my life studying history and have a Masters to show for it. Do you? And if you do, did you study European history or Middle Eastern history? I did. And it was an in-depth study of the medieval periods and through the mid-20th century.

So I am qualified to make the observations I have about the Catholic church!

nccure, you might be qualified, but your arguments are simple enough for someone in junior high to make.

'But for a sampling, there were the crusades that killed thousands, and they were not just against the invaders of the Holy Lands, but also against women, so-called heretics, or anyone else that disagreed with the church.'

Wow, you really showed your intelligence there. That's the best you can do with your master's degree? (Pun intended, in case you miss it).

More qualified then most nccure! And I'm willing to bet that, unlike some, you are able to support your assertions with documented facts.

Prime example of why i am no longer a Catholic and denounce the Catholic Church They are nothing but a bunch of Homosexual pedophiles anyway.

You are a very sick dudgeon, no truth to your trash !

And these accusations come from a bishop that condoned and covered up scores of catholic priests that abused, raped and ruined thousands of young childrens lives for decades????? What the catholic church(right up to the Vatican) did to these young people is actually best described as the work of Satan himself disguised as servants of the Lord. Unspeakable, Despicable and down right Evil and that is being kind...............................

The 'Catholic Church' is a separate, independent, sovereign country identified as Vatican City, located in Rome, Italy. The 'Catholic church' is a theocratic national government. A Catholic priest, bishop, or archbishop in the United States is an emissary of a foreign government that resides in this country.

Foreign governments are not supposed to be allowed to lobby our Congress or participate in our domestic politics. Any Catholic foreign emissary that attempts to interfere with our domestic government should be expelled from the country. Any Catholic foreign emissary that threatens our country is engaging in war between the United States and the independent country of Vatican City. Any citizen that elects to place foreign Catholic law above the laws of the United States should forfeit their citizenship.

G-Man, I second that, This Bishop is not a man of God, This Bishop & Graham Jr. are Nuts !

This from an institution that has been raping children for years. The Catholic Church carries no moral credibility whatsoever!

I wholeheartedly agree with the bishop. Hitler, Stalin, and Obama all share very similar viewpoints, Christian persecution and all. While it's true that Obama didn't try to kill off scores of Jews like Hitler and Stalin, he wants to commit his own brand of genocide: senior citizens. As it turned out, there basically IS a death panel-type setup within Obamacare, so if your beloved grandma or grandpa is deemed to be too much of a burden to the healthcare (or if he/she decides to vote Republican, for that matter), they can pull the plug on them and you can say goodbye to them.

Next time they should be asking "Dear Leader" how the dog tastes. I bet the folks at People Eating Tasty Animals are conveniently shutting their mouths over this one.... lol

Bravo to and all strongest support of Bishop Daniel Jenky in his scholarly attempt to educate (and wake up) any who are sleeping in his flock. Were it not that public schools, for many decades (since prayer left the schools) produce a "product" so poor that many students cannot even identify the four Presidents on Mount Rushmore, parishioners would be able to generate some insights on their own. But absent that discernment, the parish in Peoria, and now even a wider net across America, have an opportunity to prayerfully consider just how grave is the state of this nation, as evil history of repression and oppression of The Church in Germany, France and Asia now is clearly taking root in our US laws and spreading like a cancer across this once-great land. How refreshing, how necessary and how courageous that this Man of God, Bishop Daniel Jenky, is willing to stand up for God's Truth in this time of so many lies and deceptions that can only be coming from the dark side of human nature. Bravo Bishop Daniel Jenky for "standing up for something (something crucial - God's Eternal Truth - "and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it") rather than falling for anything (the "gag order mentality" of brutes whose ideas are so poor that they can only repress and oppress opposing opinions.) We need MORE like Bishop Jenky, not less, and especially here in the epicenter of the weakened and ineffective "PC" clergy in Archdiocese of Wash-land. Mari-MD

I don't mind your standing up for the man...but your acolades seem to have forgetten the likes of the many priestst that have abused many children..I hope you don't image we have forgotten those priests..

Besides I thought the church was supposed to be separate from the government, if I am correct, they don't pay taxes..and are left alone to take care of their parisheners as they see fit...As I recall there is nothing that says anyone should use birth control, it is simply to be made available..I see nothing wrong with that, as I am not a Catholic and would like to see others, as they wish, to have the right to make choices..

This is why I have little faith in the church, you want it two ways....perhaps if there were not the disgust of people concerning the rape and abuse of children, church members would continue to believe in the theology of the church, as taught, and continue to be active members...but t is hard to be taught one thing, and then participate, as members of the church, in payments to keep quiet that abuse..

i believe this man went much too far with hiswords,but so be it, there are many that believe his words as truth....I happen to think they were disgusting, given the history of abuse of children during these last few years....No I am not bias, just giving my opinion, am I not entitled, this mans was, why not me?

The faithful priests and bishops actually abhor corruption that exists within the institution, and they rail against and suffer by being tarred with the same brush as the corrupts, which is totally unjust.

What are your thoughts of this statement: The eternal FAITH is sound; the provisional earthly entity, or the institution, is of course subject to unsoundness, and can ever only be, because imperfect human beings are running it.

I'd say focus on the FAITH, not the institution. Human beings will let you down every time, even when they don't want to. Don't let human institutions of any kind distract or discourage you. Focus GOD...And of course no one and no group should forget or harbor pedophiles; you are 100% correct on that.

I personally think this entire tax status issue is just another trumped-up-emotion-churning-issue to distract those who can be distracted and to express the resentment of an atheist-leaning ruling crowd who would like to see the churches go away.

Bottom line, a tax exemption is not a "gag order" if we live in a free society, so do you want freedom to speak for everyone, or only for a few?

Nothing that Bishop Jenty said had anything to do with the pedophile issue. To understand what he actually said you would need to google and pull up the entire homily, because you'd never get his excellent homily in full that he actually did deliver unless you read his entire remarks, and not the silly "let's lift out and twist one sentence and confuse and stir the multitudes" gotcha-game, which is so transparent in this article. The church is seen by some as a threat so it must be demonized and that is sad.

I appreciate the sincere and civil tone of your comment, mrsmajor. It is great when people can somewhat disagree without being disagreeable, so thank you.

I am tired of hearing the libs whine about "seperation of church and state"! The constitution only says that the government will not sanction any single religion over others. Obama and his cronies think that this means that they can order any religion they wish to do what THEY want them to do. Otherwise these nasty religious people are stepping on the rights of anyone who doesn't believe the same way. You need to force Catholic Churches, Universities and any other religious organization to pay for birth control and abortion on demand. This is like forcing Jewish and Muslim restaurants to sell pork! I guess that freedom of religion to the liberal means complete annihillation of any belief that competes with the leftist mantra.

Why is it that every liberal vomits out the scandals that Catholics have been hearing about child molestation for the last 20 years? I would be really interested in hearing the stats about how many leftist democrats have been involved in having sex with underaged children over the years! How about the vast sea of sex scandals that major Democratic offfice holders have been involved in? Clinton and his huge numbers of affairs, Ed Kennedy and his dead date and sex scandals, and even a Democratic presidential candidate using campaign money to pay for his love child? Maybe these idiots should just shut the f*(k up and look at their own little issues. As a few religious men have stated, "Judge not lest you be judged"!

There is a job opening on a fishing boat requiring your credentials to put yucky stuff on the hooks to attract the fish.

No, he didn't threaten the President - neither overtly nor covertly. He should not be surprised, however, if the IRS takes notice. Sounds like politics to me, not anything like a homily.

At least Obama isn't sending in undercover officers into organizations who criticize him to stir up trouble unlike what the previous White House occuper did.

IOKIYAR strikes again

onermailliw,

I'm curious. You guys keep referring to Obama as "the savior", while also telling us he's a Muslim and/or an Atheist bent on destroying our religions. At the same time, you also continue to fall in love with candidates who claim they have been picked by God to be our President. Liberals are the ones who want to keep religion out of politiics. You guys want to turn the country over to them.

Who would Jesus vote for, the rich guy who tells us he's not concerned with the poor, or the one who's trying to lift everyone out of poverty? Here's a hint; according to the New Testament, he said that it would be easier for a camel to pass through the hole in a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven. Another hint; the only time in his life when he turned to violence, he used a whip to drive the moneychangers (the Wall Streeters of their day) out of the Temple. Doesn't sound like Mitt would be his cup of tea. Maybe that's why he's got the Ted Nugent vote...

Cal Really bad argument. Jesus would NOT vote. Why would God vote? When he drove out the money changers he never did hit anyone with the wip...can not say the same about them to him, and the reason he did it had nothing to do with him or them or money. When he made the statement about the needle and camel it was about God doing things that are completely beyond our comprehension not about rich or poor or money (that rich man did eventually become a believer). Jesus does not need any votes, even Ted's-or yours. The point being is if you were half as informed as you think you are about the Bible and Jesus you would know that none of your references support any of your arguments. As far a Christians-Jesus wasn't one! And the one reference in the Bible that would support most of all any argument in the context of this article: The New Testament did tell us NOT to become embroiled in the political arguments of this world-but to obey those authorities. Check that out.

Hey CAL USA

Jesus would be able to see into the heart of a man and thus may not vote for either Obama nor Romney!

Bob,

You are so right. It refers to the love of money over all else. Jesus was a jew and it was after his death and resurrection that his followers were called in the Greek, little christs and when interpreted by King James it bacame Christans.

@BobW See this is what I love about religion - your interpretation of the bible could only be the correct one. Go follow a Sandal!

Sad to say hate may defeat President Obama. Look at all the hateful comments comparing President Obama to the worse men in history.

By the way the majority are old white men, maybe we should compare ourselves to slave masters.

Then claim President Obama is a black tar baby slave.

It's incredible how any racial hatred is expected in the 21st Century.

They already have my address and views. I figure sometime around November. But then I applied for a voters card last November and haven't received one yet. They do say I should get it before the May election.And they do say I am registered so my DL should get me a ballot.BTW I'm not an old, white man. And all of you radical women do not speak for me. I'm not at war with anybody.

By the way the majority are old white men, maybe we should compare ourselves to slave masters.

Then claim President Obama is a black tar baby slave.

It's incredible how any racial hatred is expected in the 21st Century.

It's also funny how liberals try to keep that in a discussion whenever they argue a point. Subliminal messages?

So Clearly if the Church should lose their tax exempt status, it must mean that all of you agree the Media Matters, Acorn, all of Soros' community organizations and other non profits (including National Public Radio, NEA, etc.) all would also lose their tax exempt status plus government funding too. Right? Because fair is fair and all of you are purely interested in equality.

Unhappy: Try to keep that in the discussion? How about you stop lying your butt of for a second and simply scroll up and tell me how many times "they" keep that in the discussion whenever they are debating a point. Now do they all have it, like you say, or are you a freakin' liar that doesn't know what he's talking about? I mean anybody with a scroll button is going to be able to see your lie, but I guess I'm waiting to see if you are man enough to admit it.

Oh, and btw..want to see a room full of whilte people. Look at any republican convention. Look at the crowd in one of Romney speaches. Go ahead, they are all over Youtube. Nothing but white people. Now go back and look at Bill Clinton's, Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama. There is a reason there is almost no black people in republican events.

I have to hand it to you. Typically somebody has to actually know the truth before they go and try to hide it to serve some other purpose. It's rare to find somebody hiding the truth when they don't even know what it is for a purpore they don't even have.

You've been listening to waaayyy to much limbaugh and fox.

Churches engaging in political activities is not cool, time to revoke their tax exemption !

Unhappy: Try to keep that in the discussion? How about you stop lying your butt of for a second and simply scroll up and tell me how many times "they" keep that in the discussion whenever they are debating a point.

Asimplicity:First of all, I didn't bring that point up. Solutions539 did. Second, it is obvious that liberals like yourselves like to put racist remarks in their posts in order to keep the racial divide. Afterall, isn't that why you brought up:

Oh, and btw..want to see a room full of white people. Look at any republican convention. Look at the crowd in one of Romney speaches. Go ahead, they are all over Youtube. Nothing but white people.Now go back and look at Bill Clinton's, Hillary Clinton, Barrack Obama. There is a reason there is almost no black people in republican events.

And that is just from your post!!!!! Oh, and for the record, I am not white.

Subliminal messages? Absolutely.

I have to agree that we should eliminate the tax-exempt status of religions. This, of course, also includes the liberals who vomit out their own religion, "Humanism"! The true leftist believe in their "equality of outcomes", "redistribution of income", and the right of those who do not work to "share" in the hard work of others! Why should someone who worked 70-80 hours a week for the last 30 years not be forced to "share" their benefits to those who are in such "desperate" need? These 1%ers are just evil capitalists who stole their fortune off of the backs of those who didn't really want to break a sweat! What would Jesus do? He would remind those who want someone elses property that "God helps those who helps themselves". I do not mean that they should help themselves to everyone elses property, but, they should learn from those who worked hard for years and are productive members of society!

Alverant, you are wrong about Obama not putting operatives into organizations that are anti-Obama! There is a current scandal about the infiltration of that Michigan militia. The charges are going to be dropped because the government information was incorrect and illegally collected. How about the Obama administration sending in informants into Mosques and trying to gather intelligence? How about "Fast and Furious" where the administration let thousands of illegal arms to flow to Mexican drug cartels? Boy, Obama is just a breath of fresh air! Or was that one huge fart of liberal beliefs?

Dan M -

A very liberal explosive/retentive exposition.

El Dude: " in the end, he'll probably wish he never said it."

In a rational world, you'd be correct. Unfortunately, I'm personally acquainted with more than a few Bishops--and I very much doubt he'll ever regret anything he said. Probably just double-down.

These old men in dresses need to start practicing what they're really supposed to be preaching. Jesus must be very disappointed.

This Bishop is acting like a Nazi !

hey monkey boy you are as patriotic as your islam loving pres, obama your welfare momma, I am assuming you will be leaving your trailer and going to mexico when the idiot obama the racist arsehole gets kicked out of the white house, even the secret service no longer wants to protect this chimp

I'm wondering how many pedophiles hiding in priestly vestments, were able to molest children thanks to church policies set or managed by this bishop.

Judge not lest ye be judged...gee where have I heard that before...If there ever is a 2nd Coming, I hope I'm around to see hypocrite priests like this pitchforked into the pits of Hell!