only the short term GRATIFICATION. THe long term sucks

It is not a scandal - there was no attempt to hide the incident under the carpet - but it is a let down, and that's why those involved are being canned for cause. These swinging dicks made their own service look bad. Trying to make comparisons with what junior US navy enlisted personnel may or may not get up to when on shore leave in (say) Australia just doesn't cut it. But even those guys, no matter how totally inebriated, know enough to negotiate the price and pay up before they get into it.

Now they can be the Secret Cervix.

No "body" who is paid to perform immoral acts on another human being is "worth" it.

At least it created a convenient distraction from Obama's feeble performance at the Conference, where he was pretty much ignored and mocked.

He should not even have been there, the USA interfering in yet another country's business. Fix America first, and only then go trying to be the policeman of the world. Team America World Police!

Hey guys when filling out my expense report does a hooker go under "entertainment" or "medical" since I had to get that shot afterwards?

Um, maybe I am missing something here, but why do we expect MORE from our SS agents than we expect from our presidents themselves? I mean, it wasn't really that long ago that we had a president who was putting his organ in an employee's mouth, and the left at that time said, variously, that it wasn't sex, that it wasn't in any way exposing (AHAHAHAHA) the president to blackmail, and other truly laughable excuses. For a time there to be a leftist I think one had to be a contortionist since I don't think I've ever seen so many people able to bend over so completely to deny the obvious. Never mind this, though.

So now we have 11 agents who acted poorly, and the WH claims (they wouldn't lie, would they?) that the president's security was never compromised, and they must lose their jobs? Perhaps there is a clause in their employment manuals that prohibits such behavior, and if so then, well, okay, fire them. So far I have not heard that claim. So it seems, instead, that because Mr. Obama is embarrassed, but not endangered, that these guys need to be fired. Well, as just one American embarrassed by Mr. Obama, here is to hoping he will be fired in November.

Just for the record, even if it is legal in Colombia to buy sex, it is still morally wrong, though this may not be a justifiable reason to fire these agents. I just don't like the idea that people want them gone simply because Mr. Obama is embarrassed by them. This "Dear Leader" mentality is dangerous, imho.

@ORB1943...junior US Navy enlisted? LOL Ya gotta be kidding me! This is STANDARD behavior at all rank levels, or was when I retired in '87. Well, I don't know about blackshoe sailors, but Naval Aviators know how to PARTY! (No, Tailhook wasn't a one off!) This type behavior happens whenever men congregate and women are available; not just service members or government workers. Donchknow, the Shriners, the Rotary, Elks, salesmen's conventions...hell, preachers conventions! It happens everywhere. Those who say it doesn't either are very naive or are intentionally prevaricating.

Secrete Service

bob and i together equals Secrete Cervix!

She's HOT, no wonder obama was jealous, I mean mad. He was going to thake 13ths

Like Clinton said, I did not have intercoarse with that woman. show me the proof.

@Orb:

Definition of the word scandal:

.

1. A publicized incident that brings about disgrace or offends the moral sensibilities of society.2. A person, thing, or circumstance that causes or ought to cause disgrace or outrage.
3. Damage to reputation or character caused by public disclosure of immoral or grossly improper behavior; disgrace.
4. Talk that is damaging to one's character; malicious gossip.

What a truly gorgeous set of ta ta's though. I just can't make myself stop looking at them.

She looks worth $50.00 to me

I can't believe people getting all bent out of shape over a few guys getting laid. So what? The President was not even in country yet. If they had deserted their posts while he was there, then yes fry them. But give me a freaking break already.

Mr. Wilson -

Mr. Obama was listening. That's a good trait when you don't know what to say.

How the hell do you get that this is Obama's fault?? He doesn't hire, supervise, nor fire these guys. And he wasn't even there. Get a grip Rich.

I find the Republican hypocrites to be such a joke....................

ROY WILSON-336103

Thank you Roy! At least somebody with brain to have a look what really matters. All the other stuff is just side line garbage to detract America from the truth that their cheerful Liar in Chief was just mocked and laughed at, as he should be.

Mr. Whuck - This is not Frat Boy prank on spring break.

“Human trafficking -- the equivalent of modern day
slavery -- is an affront to human dignity, and goes against everything our
country stands for. And yet, it occurs in so many communities; workers are
exploited for labor behind closed doors, hidden from the public eye. This
includes horrific incidents of sex trafficking, where women and girls are
forced into prostitution, often after being lured from other countries with
promises of legitimate employment and better lives.

“The Justice Department is committed to the aggressive
prosecution of human trafficking cases. In the last full fiscal year, we
prosecuted more human trafficking cases than ever before. Those 52 cases
charged 99 defendants with crimes related to labor and sex trafficking. Many of
these cases target complex international cartels and involve many victims.

“Last spring, for example, defendant Amador Cortes-Meza
was sentenced to 40 years in prison on sex trafficking charges. Cortes-Meza was
the ring leader of an organization that brought 10 victims, including four
juveniles, from Mexico to the United States and forced them into prostitution.

“The Justice Department’s aggressive prosecution of cases
like this one should send a signal to other would-be traffickers that their
actions will not be tolerated in America.”

[The White House, Posted by Tom Perez on September 02, 2011, “Protecting
the Rights of Women and Girls”, ]

The Secret Service “Dirty Dozen” are in serious trouble of their own making

God gave man a penis and a brain; but not enough blood to work both at the same time.

Columbia has legal prostitution (In "tolerance zones"). The Netherlands has legal prostitution (in certain areas). Many other foreign countries have legal prostitution. The U S has legal prostitution (in Nevada). Would y'all think it worth firing these guys if they partied down (on their own time) in Nevada? Amsterdam? Belgium? These guys apparently did nothing illegal (except the ones who didn't want to pay their freight). Immoral? Maybe so. But immorality isn't necessarily illegal. Our country IS NOT a theocracy! All meddlesome "holier than thou" types should be told to shut up and sit down!

Mario, voluntary sex for pay is not human trafficking by legal definition. Not in Nevada and not in Columbia.

Thank you Rick! As for as I know there were no minors involved, that would change everything. Debroah I am republican so can the political bull@!$%# please.

KarlStevens-2597445 He should not even have been there, the USA interfering in yet another country's business. Fix America first, and only then go trying to be the policeman of the world. Team America World Police!

Nice way to avoid the topic to add your pseudo-political tirade. But then I'm sure you work tirelessly to "fix" the United States....

These men were really stupid. You never embarrass the company, which in this case, happened to be the United States. In addition, these security professionals jeopardized the safety of the U.S. president by making themselves and the govt susceptible to hostile action. How can the govt prosecute someone like Bradley Manning who at least disclosed information on principles and not secret service professionals who just gave up their training for a night of sex.

P.S. These women give sex for money because they have no other options. Pay the women instead of trying to cheat them.

Why is it that you Americans make such a sansational song and dance about
a few secret service blokes having a bit of fun? You make a laughing stock of
yourselves acting like a bunch of gossipy housewives at best and irascible
harridans at their worst, and to top it all, sending a team of investigators
down to interview a bunch of local tarts? How disgusting can you get?

I still want to know who they are, when they joined the President's service as well as when they joined the Secret Service and most of all, how many of them came from Chicago.

My concern is how this event has allowed us to see the character and culture of a number of our Secret Service personnel. I am not going to focus on the security risks or whether or not such behavior is professional or not; I would simply like to focus on how this event highlights the ethics and character of some of these men.

There have been a couple of statements in the media of how prices were agreed upon with the “sex worker”, with examples of eight hundred or two hundred and fifty dollars for services rendered. However it has been stated that after services were rendered these “gentlemen”, proffered instead thirty or fifty dollars. This entire event came to light because one of the sex workers was so upset with what she was going to be paid that she went to the authorities.

For me this shows the character of the men involved as likely arrogant, unethical, and having no problems leaving those women in a dilemma; shall I accept this insulting payment or do I risk going to the authorities.

Therefore I applaud the woman who was strong enough to go to the authorities and I castigate with every ounce of disgust that I can muster, the arrogance and disrespect that those men held for those women.

Geez. And all this time, according to the Right Wing, the gays would be causing all the issues in uniformed service...

Whaddya know...

whuck

Obviously an Obama supporter who doesn't mind the Trickle Down Corruption we hear more and more including GSA dips making bragging videos about partying on tax payer dollars.

Now we go back and rewrite history for John F. Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton, and Carter?????? The only difference is that instead of the man paying for it, the women paid for it.

Is MSNBC making a big deal of this to take the focus off Obama? After all OUR LEADERS are the examples, CARTER, KENNEDY, JOHNSON, ROOSEVELT, CLINTON. I bet that if asked for permission, Clinton would have handed out $100 bills and told them to have a good time!

You think this is a scandal?!? My local Sheriff department makes Heroine and AK deals with Cartel members in the desert. My local police officers smoke marijuana and heroine regularly while on duty in places where people aren't likely to go, and then roll around all day looking for teens who might possibly be drug offenders so that they can jack their ish. And then we had a big bust on the local smoke shop where the Feds raided all the harmless Dhamiana. A product that delivers a little buzz not even the equivelant of one beer for about 10 minutes. WOOHOO! So when I saw the Feds they were not just taking the Dhamiana, they were trying to steal thousands of dollars of legal glassware as well. I watched them put it back when the lawyer showed up, but talk about scandal! JESUS!

This BS in the press is nothing comparatively.

Now we go back and rewrite history for John F. Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton, and Carter?????? The only difference is that instead of the man paying for it, the women paid for it.

You forgot Bush, who had a GAY MALE ESCORT at the Whitehouse for his parties.

OBAMA ADMITTS NOT REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE

Watch the trial!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OwmfisorUcc#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHKJQ__W_4k&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JohAu0BR_w0

BYE BYE OBAMA,,, YOUR NOT AMERICAN

I am a feminist and a radical anarchist. I understand, according to today's laws, these SS agents broke the law...criminalizing the sell of sex has been a standard practice in controlling women's ability to have ownership of their sexuality and ability to accumulate wealth. puritanical views have demonized the act of sex and the ability to profit from it even more evil. making it a taboo has allowed grifters and users to take advantage of the women who resort to prostitution despite the illegality of it. these sex workers did not see any gains or proper treatment, surely, but if it weren't for the US's criminalization of sex, they most likely would not have seen half of the abuse or degradation they have. no more so than a fast food worker or any person with a menial job. what the @!$%# are you all afraid of? most aren't that put off by masturbation or porn that is heavily regulated to insure the porn actor's safety, why is prostitution so @!$%#ing awful? sex isn't anymore mystical or special than any other bodily function or ability. no one wants to outlaw men's ability to do heavy labor because of their inherent strength and aptitude for it, so why does the law see fit to limit a woman (or a man if he so chooses) right to use sexuality to make a living? And since you demonize sexuality so much, how the hell can you judge a man with a very very demanding job that probably doesn't allow for much sexual intimacy the ability to have congress with a prostitute?

so please feel free to @!$%# off

lol

master...and your point is?

Had these men paid the $150 the woman had asked for, instead of stiffing her (yes, it is a pun) for just $50, we probably would never have heard about this incident.

No, I don't think she was worth $50 or $150 compared to the loss of a job, the right to make a living and possibly the impending divorces that may occur. Not to mention the possibility of contracting an STD.

Bonnie - I, also, do not believe in the criminalization of sex and believe that prostitution should be legal and licensed. However, most of the prostitution going on is not. It's performed by females working for males or forced to work for males. Usually, it's a last resort for women making money and many females who do so, do it unwillingly just to support a drug habit or because they do not have a lot of self-esteem and feel it's the only thing they are able to do. I don't think many high school or college students think of it as a high-paying career that will give them the freedom to do what they really want to do, in order to make tons of money. Also, if you are married, it's just immoral and goes against all marriage vows. Just wait until you get home to get your groove on, use a vibrator (no diseases, no emotional involvement), or just masturbate.

Mr. Crabtree -

These whores had pimps and were at the low end of a criminal organization that exploited them.

Prostitution suppots slavery and Slavery supports prostitution. There is the evil ad the crime.

This seems to me to be getting a little strange.

You have to get off the medical smokes, your going nuts smoking that stuff.

You have to get off the medical smokes, your going nuts smoking that stuff.

during my career i worked with many Treasury agents, all I met were top notch, professional ,in their jobs; this cluster f..k, is a hell of a black eye; maybe some good will come out of it, to tighten supervision.

Awesome response. Why the President of the United States can have oral sex in the oval room with someone other than his wife and nothing happens to the top gun; yet these guys get kicked out ....for what? Just goes to show, rank has its privileges and morals are no exception. if top brass can't set the example, then why punish the pawns!!

So you think they are just the best thing since ice cream. Why would I take the word of an elitist? I think society is sick and society is deceived by people like you. Ones place in the military does not make them better smarter courageous disciplined(this was really a crock considering) professional kind decent unbreakable honorable or intelligent. You are right about the being proud which = arrogance, without law or conscience, without scruples, carelessness, is chaotic, seeks itself, lies, misleads, deceives, murders, and the list is endless. They are just men and so were the romans. They fell and so it goes.

The alleged behavior of the agents in question hardly rises to the level of "a cut above." Unfortunately, this incident has sullied the reputation of the entire Secret Service. And, for the record, hailing from an "elite NYC suburb" doesn't make your viewpoint any more insightful on this matter than someone ftom the 'hood with a sense of decency and common sense.

One has to wonder if this is all a big setup to get rid of the best of the best and replace them with less honorable, het more LOYAL subjects....if you know what I mean....I turst this guy in the white house about as far as I can throw him.

Born 35 years ago in the sh!thole suburb of Bu#T F*#K Egypt, and raised there, and living a career...leading teams of A-holes to failing organizations for 30 years, I can tell you without equivocation, that your beloved government employees aren't as charming as make them out to be. So perhaps you should be the first to stop casting stones on the rest of society.

Ha Ha.....Good one DingleB. I guess there is going to be a few divorces soon. I hear they will be replaced by devote Muslims! Czars maybe...yes....maybe we need another czar!

Some people fall by their tongue, some by their zippers. What a dishonorable way to go out of any company.

I'm laughing my ass off... dudes get hookers and then do not pay and then they get what they deserve.

Here is the disgusting list.

• Guy makes a deal for a whore and then doesn't pay for the sex (scumbag)
• President and Country embarrassed by whore and scumbag.
• Scumbags lose jobs and whore gets paid to be interviewed.
• Some scumbags probably have wives and children (home wrecker)
• 200 - 300 dollars to have sex with a man (sold your soul long ago)
• Secret Service is setting the example (that our enemies are right, we are capitalistic pigs)

I am still laughing, that people are so stupid as to think this will ever stop.

@startloving. I assume from your post that you were in some way affiliated with the secret service. No wonder their service has deteriorated. Dude do you have any idea of how big of an ass you come across as?

How many times have you paid for it. Sex that is???

I am familiar with Short Hills - not impressed- if you have such firsthand knowledge of the Secret Service - than you should be particularly upset with the individuals who behaved in such a dishonorable way while representing the Secret Service abroad - I have much experience with an "elite" group of law enforcement and would want anyone who acted so foolishly and with such disregard for the reputation of their organization to be removed immediately from the ranks

@SuzannAlaska - yes, I'm sure "this guy in the white house" feels too well protected by the people who are paid to do that and has cooked up this scheme in order to replace them with incompetents. He'll sleep better knowing that the probability of his taking a bullet has risen to a level more to his satisfaction. You have me writhing in the crushing grip of reason.

For adult government employees to act like drunken teen aged sailors is over the top! It was indiscreet and dangerous to the interests of the US. FIRE them!

Startloving; Did you mean to come across as a pompous equines rear? Sorry, but you surely did.

pat-sorry but this has nothing to do with Clinton. There's an old military saying "loose lips sink ships" and a hooker in a foreign country (especially one like Columbia) or a stranger from anywhere for that matter, is a little different than a guy shacking up with his secretary or his sister-in-law. These guys were just dumber than owl-s..t. Period.

To be blunt, I just don't get it. I never understood Clinton have oral sex with Monica. I just don't get out such smart men with so much to lose would ever stoop so low. I understand wanting to do immoral things because that is human nature, but actually choosing to shoot up one's life does not make any sense. Clinton said he did it because he could. Is that the explanation for these guys as well? For all those that never behaved this way and served their country honorably, I am so sorry you have had to witness this utter embarrassment.

Maybe they should have been the Discrete Service, that may have saved their butts instead of getting in an uproar with a girl over her price for services rendered.

Mr. Loving -

Perhaps what you said, but also completely without a moral compass. They engaged in prostitution which supports slavery and exploitation of women and children. There is the evil and the crime.

Prostitution supports slavery. Slavery supports prostitution. These "agents" are criminals.

Wife: "What did you do in Colombia, honey?"

Secret Service Agent: "I could tell you, but then you'd have to kill me."

Pat: Awesome response. Why the President of the United States can have oral sex in the oval room with someone other than his wife and nothing happens to the top gun; yet these guys get kicked out

Hon...most people never cared about that -- it wasn't a crime. Do you get that yet?

And, for you to suggest that "nothing happened to him" is absolutely ridiculous.

Yet, you're probably one of these twilly's who doesn't care that, even though Clinton got a BJ in the OO, the next guy screwed the entire country from the same desk. But you're ok with that, right?

Go take your nonsense walking, hon. And while you're at it, get over yourself.

the boys: To be blunt, I just don't get it. I never understood Clinton have oral sex with Monica. I just don't get out such smart men with so much to lose would ever stoop so low.

Yes, it's shocking to hear of men in power who get sex as a result [eye roll]. I feel like I'm talking among a throng of puritans. Get real, folks. Some of you still wring yoru hands over Clinton's BJ...and yet you had no problem with the next guy, who screwed everyone in the United States.

OBAMA ADMITTS NOT REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE

Watch the trial!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OwmfisorUcc#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHKJQ__W_4k&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JohAu0BR_w0

BYE BYE OBAMA,,, YOUR NOT AMERICAN

idiot

DMorgan,

I agree with you that copping a BJ is not a crime. In fact, I would get on board for making it a reward for good and faithful public service. However, Clinton was impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors. I couldn't care less if my (grown) children got/gave a BJ, but I would never suggest to them that lying to a grand jury or obstruction of justice to further their own ends is acceptable. What do you say to your school-age children when they ask if oral sex is really sex, because the President is on TV saying it isn't? (My reply was, "Yeah, I could say that to your mother ..... but then I'd have to wear a catcher's mask to bed at night.")

care...WTF?

“Human trafficking -- the equivalent of modern day
slavery -- is an affront to human dignity, and goes against everything our
country stands for. And yet, it occurs in so many communities; workers are
exploited for labor behind closed doors, hidden from the public eye. This
includes horrific incidents of sex trafficking, where women and girls are
forced into prostitution, often after being lured from other countries with
promises of legitimate employment and better lives.

“The Justice Department is committed to the aggressive
prosecution of human trafficking cases. In the last full fiscal year, we
prosecuted more human trafficking cases than ever before. Those 52 cases
charged 99 defendants with crimes related to labor and sex trafficking. Many of
these cases target complex international cartels and involve many victims.

“Last spring, for example, defendant Amador Cortes-Meza
was sentenced to 40 years in prison on sex trafficking charges. Cortes-Meza was
the ring leader of an organization that brought 10 victims, including four
juveniles, from Mexico to the United States and forced them into prostitution.

“The Justice Department’s aggressive prosecution of cases
like this one should send a signal to other would-be traffickers that their
actions will not be tolerated in America.”

[The White House, Posted by Tom Perez on September 02, 2011, “Protecting
the Rights of Women and Girls”, ]

The Secret Service “Dirty Dozen” are in serious trouble of their own making

ODD,how all of the guilty agents are White,very odd!,does anyone want to lay down a bet as to what the racial makeup will be for the replacements.Does anyone want to bet against that (lady of the evening) being a plant?.These agents may have known a lot more about this administration,as insiders, than this administration felt comfortable with,especially with such an important election approaching and THIS TYPE of dismissal could possibly give this administration some measure of protection from lose lips.Strange things happen in our Government.We,the people,have been conditioned to the point that almost nothing can be surprising with in our Government anymore.It's getting to be like (Ripley's believe it or not book). Think about it!

I haven't seen any reporting on the agents' race or ethnicity. I don't think it is important.

For compromising the safety of the President of the United State that is why!

They could have gained info on the President and passed it on to terrorist!

What compromise? They wanted to get laid.....

Not for wanting to but because there was a f*ck up on their team.

For being stupid enough to get caught.

For engaing prostitutes. Prostitution support slavery. Slavery supports prostitution. They supported the exploitation of women and children in violation of U.S. govt, policy, law and professional guidance. Simply criminal and amoral.

I don't remember which president said it but it goes something like this "If someone wants to give up his life, I will be killed!" The secret service is there only for big plots to kill the president. They didn't stop Ford and Reagan from being shot. Hell for what these guys did, you would have to fire 95% of the politicians. And as far as embarrassing and leaking secrets to the enemy all you have to do is read MSNBC and the gossip. 99% of which comes out of the White House and senate.

OBAMA ADMITTS NOT REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE... THAT HE FORGED IT HIS OWN LAWYER SAYS

Watch the trial!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OwmfisorUcc#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHKJQ__W_4k&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JohAu0BR_w0

BYE BYE OBAMA,,, YOUR NOT AMERICAN

http://politicalcorrection.org/factcheck/200907280002

The
Definitive Birther Takedown

July 28, 2009 10:07 am ET

A growing chorus of fringe conservatives, ranging from members
of Congress to Lou Dobbs, have started echoing the "birthers'" claims
that Barack Obama's eligibility for office needs to be examined. Media
Matters Action Network decided to take up the challenge. Needless to say, we found
their evidence rather uncompelling.

MYTH: The
Certification Of Live Birth Is Not Enough Evidence To Confirm His Birth In
Hawaii

Birther Movement Claim:

Obama has NOT provided a certified copy of an original, typed,
vault copy, long-form, birth certificate, signed by his mother and delivering
doctor with the name of the hospital thereon, to be used to conclusively prove
one of the two key elements used in determining his "natural born"
citizenship status per the U.S. Constitution, i.e., where he was born. All he
has provided to the electorate and public to see is a digital image on the
internet of a purported copy of a short, summary, computer printed form called
a Certification of Live Birth, aka COLB, which is not a Birth Certificate. No
one in any controlling legal authority and official expert capacity has ever
been allowed to examine the purported computer made paper document displayed in
the digital images and digital pictures on the internet.
[ObamaCitizenshipFacts.org, accessed 7/27/09]

FACT: Not Only Has The Certificate Of Live Birth Been Verified
By Numerous Officials, Other Primary Source Documents Verify Contents

FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and
photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of
the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims
that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted
high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents"
to this article. [Factcheck.org, 11/1/08]

But the evidence of Barack Obama's birth in Hawaii does not stop
there. Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Hawaii's State Health Director, examined the
document. As reported by the Honolulu Advertiser:

So, in what likely will be a vain attempt to halt the inquiries,
Fukino yesterday issued a statement saying that she and the registrar of vital
statistics personally inspected Obama's birth certificate and found it to be
valid. . . .

Fukino issued her statement to try to stomp out persistent
rumors that Obama was not born in Honolulu - and is therefore not a U.S.
citizen and thus ineligible to run for president.

Fukino, however, repeated the Health Department's position that
state law prohibits her or any other officials from actually releasing the
birth certificate, which Obama's campaign says shows he was born in Honolulu on
Aug. 4, 1961.

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein
Obama's official birth certificate," Fukino said in the statement.
"State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes¤338-18) prohibits the release of a
certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in
the vital record. ... No state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, has ever
instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any
other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i." [Honolulu
Advertiser,
11/1/08]

MYTH: Barack Obama Can
Direct The State Of Hawaii To Release His Long Form Birth Certificate

Birther Movement Claim:

The lawsuit has not been dismissed (and others, including one in
Hawaii, have been filed). But it could be quickly settled by Obama and the DNC.
All they need to do is show a certified, long form "Certificate of Live Birth" to the court. [WorldNetDaily, 10/28/08]

FACT: The State Department Of Health No Longer Issues Copies Of
Paper Birth Certificates

As reported by the Honolulu Star Bulletin:

No, you can't obtain a "certificate of live birth"
anymore.

The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth
certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

The department only issues "certifications" of live
births, and that is the "official birth certificate" issued by the
state of Hawaii, she said.

And, it's only available in electronic form.

Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in
2001.

"At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on)
was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said. [Honolulu
Star Bulletin, 6/6/09]

MYTH: The Certificate
Of Live Birth Posted By The Obama Campaign (And Above) Is Forged

Birther Movement Claim:

Additionally, statements by Ron Polarik and private investigator
Jose Barro, showed numerous signs of forgery on the short version COLB posted
by Obama/Soetoro, and Forensic Document expert Sandra Line has issued an
affidavit that Obama's place of birth cannot be ascertained without seeing the
original birth certificate. [DefendOurFreedoms.org, accessed 7/27/09]

FACT: FactCheck.org Viewed The Original Document, Attested To
Its Authenticity

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some
time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real
and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can
assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's
stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a
signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even
brought home a few photographs. [FactCheck.org, 11/1/08]

MYTH: Foreign-Born
Children Could Acquire Hawaiian Certificates Of Live Birth (COLB)

Birther Movement Claim: According to the Orange
County Weekly:

Taitz and others say they have reason to doubt the veracity of
Obama's COLB. Forensic experts have set up web pages and signed affidavits
saying it's a forgery. There's a law on the books in Hawaii that allows
foreign-born children to obtain a Hawaiian COLB. And the information on a
late-registered COLB doesn't need to be verified by anyone; it's based solely
on the testimony of one parent. [Orange County Weekly, 6/18/09]

FACT: The Law In Question Did Not Exist Until 20 Years Later

The law allowing foreign-born children to obtain Hawaiian COLBs
didn't exist until 20 years after Obama was born, while Obama's published COLB
says his birth information was recorded four days after his birth in 1961. [OC
Weekly,6/18/09]

MYTH: Obama Renounced
His Citizenship While In Indonesia

Birther Movement Claim:

The problem Obama has with that issue is whether his
step-father, who moved the family to Indonesia after marrying his mother,
legally "adopted" him or "acknowledged" him as his son in
Indonesia with the mother's concurrence, thereby renouncing his U.S.
citizenship while living in Indonesia. [ObamaCitizenshipFacts.org, accessed 7/27/09]

FACT: Barack Obama Never Renounced His Citizenship

The primary piece of evidence birthers cite to support this
claim is Barack Obama's Indonesian School Record referenced above. Line 3 of
the document does ask for Barack Obama's country of citizenship and does say
Indonesia. However, Barack Obama's parents' completion of this document does
not mean he renounced his citizenship. In fact, Title
8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part III > Section 1481
of the U.S. Code is very clear on this point:

§ 1481. Loss of
nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of
proof; presumptions

(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by
birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing
any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States
nationality-

(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own
application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after
having attained the age of eighteen years; or

(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal
declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision
thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or

(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state
if

(A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the
United States, or

(B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned
officer; or

(4)

(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any
office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a
political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he
has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or

(B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any
office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a
political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for
which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of
allegiance is required; or

(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a
diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such
form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or

(6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of
nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as
may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be
in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as
not contrary to the interests of national defense; or

(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by
force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or
conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383of
title 18,
or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385of
title 18,
or violating section 2384of
title 18by
engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the
Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is
convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.

In addition, according to the State Department website:

B. ELEMENTS OF
RENUNCIATION

A person wishing to
renounce his or her U.S. citizenship must voluntarily and with intent to
relinquish U.S. citizenship:

1. appear in person before a U.S. consular or diplomatic
officer,

2. in a foreign country (normally at a U.S. Embassy or
Consulate); and

3. sign an oath of renunciation

Renunciations that do
not meet the conditions described above have no legal effect. [State.gov, accessed 7/27/09;
emphasis added]

Furthermore:

Parents Cannot
Renounce U.S. Citizenship On Behalf Of Their Minor Children. Before an oath of
renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person
under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer
that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of
renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily
seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship. [State.gov, accessed 7/27/09;
emphasis added]

Update: The relevant law at the time was the 1952 Immigration
and Naturalization Act. (However the conclusions are the same.)

LOSS OF NATIONALITY BY NATIVE-BORN OR NATURALIZED CITIZEN

SEC. 349. (a) From and after the effective date of this Act a
person is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization,
shall lose his nationality by

(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own
application, upon an application filed in his behalf by a parent, guardian, or
duly authorized agent, or through the naturalization of a parent having legal
custody of such person: Provided, That nationality shall not be lost by any
person under this section as the result of the naturalization of a parent or
parents while such person is under the age of twenty-one years, or as the
result of a naturalization obtained on behalf of a person under twenty-one
years of age by a parent, guardian, or duly authorized agent, unless such
person shall fail to enter the United States to establish a permanent residence
prior to his twenty-fifth birthday:

Since a school application filled out by his parents meets none
of the above requirements, and a parent cannot renounce citizenship on behalf
of a minor, the birthers' point is moot.

MYTH: Barack Obama Is
Not Eligible To Become President Because Only One Of His Parents Is A U.S.
Citizen

Birther Movement Claim: According to the Orange
County Weekly:

Even if Obama's long-form, original birth certificate were to be
made public, though, the questions from Taitz and others wouldn't stop. There's
a second argument: that there's no way that Obama could fit the definition of a
"natural-born citizen." By turning to Swiss philosophy texts read by
the Founding Fathers, citing the infamous Scott v. Sanford Supreme Court
decision as precedent (which denied citizenship to former slave Dred Scott and
was later overturned) and disqualifying the presidency of Chester A. Arthur,
Taitz is able to claim that a baby can only be a natural-born citizen if both
parents were American citizens at the time of the baby's birth. [OC
Weekly,
6/18/09]

FACT: Barack Obama Qualifies As A Natural Born Citizen Under The
Constitution And Court Precedents

Article 1
Section 2 of the Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the
United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be
eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to
that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and
been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

14^thAmendment:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of
the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which
shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;
nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without
due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

In addition,United States v.
Wong Kim Ark established the precedent in this case:

Wong Kim Ark's demand for a writ ofhabeas
corpus,
however, was granted because of his contention that he was a United States
citizen. He charged that the Collector of Customs of the Port of San Francisco
and the manager of the steamship company had deprived him of his liberty
without due process. The U.S. District Court for Northern California agreed
that Wong's Fourteenth Amendment rights had been violated. His detention was
ruled illegal and he was released.

The U.S. government appealed the writ, implicitly challenging
Wong's citizenship before the Supreme Court on 5 and 8 March 1897. Ironically,
both sides accepted most of the basic facts of Wong's life. It was agreed that
he had been born in San Francisco in 1873, while his Chinese parents were
considered permanent residents of the city. He had visited China temporarily in
1890 and had returned to San Francisco with no difficulty in passing through
customs. It was further agreed that since his birth, Wong had never had any
other place of residence except California nor had he ever claimed to be
anything other than a United States citizen. Although his parents had returned
to China in 1890, Wong worked in San Francisco, paid his taxes, and had never
participated in any criminal acts. Most significantly, the government's appeal
conceded that the Chinese Exclusion Acts under which Wong had been detained
should not apply to him if he was indeed a U.S. citizen.

A Question of
Birthright

The government claimed that Wong's parentage should determine
his citizenship. Wong's parents were subjects of the Emperor of China at the
time of his birth. Therefore, Wong was likewise a foreign subject. According to
the appeal, Wong was also Chinese by reason of his "race, language, color
and dress." Because he did not belong to any of the classes of Chinese
allowed entry under immigration rules, he was technically considered to be a
laborer and liable to the terms of the Chinese Exclusion Act.

These arguments were no more successful in Washington D.C. than
they had been in San Francisco. The Court rejected the appeal on 28 March 1898,
over a year after hearing the case. Writing for the majority, Justice Gray
noted the Constitution's deep roots in English common law. By this tradition,
all persons born within England's domain could expect protection from the King,
to whom they were expected to owe their allegiance. Gray traced the lineage of
this concept of determining citizenship by birthplace from its English origins
to standard practice in the American states.

The Court found its strongest reason for affirming Wong's
citizenship in the Fourteenth Amendment. Ratified by Congress in 1868, the
amendment was designed to grant the rights of citizenship to persons of African
descent who had been slaves prior to the Civil War. To the majority, Section I
of the amendment was unequivocal:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of
the State in which they reside.

It should be noted that the Dred Scott case cited by Taitz and
other birthers was decided in 1857,
a decade before the 14^th amendment was ratified.

MYTH: Barack Obama's
Grandmother Witnessed His Birth in Kenya

Birther Movement Claim:

The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama
demanding he prove his American citizenship - and therefore qualification to
run for president - has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from
the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birthin Kenya. . .

"This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20
months," Berg told Savage. "I'll release it [the tape] in a day or
two, affidavits from her talking to a certain person. I heard
the tape. She was speaking [to someone] here in the United States." He
said the telephone call was from Obama's paternal grandmother affirming she
"was in the delivery room in Kenya when he was born Aug. 4, 1961." [WorldNetDaily,October 23, 2008]

FACT: This Is A Myth Based On A Cropped Version Of An Interview
With Obama's Grandmother Sarah:

From Salon.com's War Room:

In that interview, Sarah Obama does in fact say at one point
that she was there for her grandson's birth. But that was a mistake, a
confusion in translation. As soon as a jubilant McRae began to press her for
further details about her grandson being born in Kenya, the family realized the
mistake and corrected him. And corrected him. (The audio is available for
download here.)

No matter, though, because people who believe in a conspiracy
theory simply hear what
they want to hear. So some Birther sites have posted transcripts
and YouTube clips that end abruptly with the mistranslation
and don't include the corrections. McRae, for his part, included the full
translation in his affidavit -- he thinks it's all just part of the conspiracy.
"Some few younger relatives, including [translator Vitalis Akech
Ogombe]," McRae wrote in his court filing, "have obviously been
versed to counter such facts with the common purported information from the
American news media that Obama was born in Hawaii."

Here's the conversation:

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like
to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he
was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama
was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the
place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born?
Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in
America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in
Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In
the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of
Hawaii. [Salon.com, 6/27/09]

MYTH: Obama Travelled
To Pakistan At A Time When There Was A Ban On U.S. Passport Holders Entering
That Country.

Birther Movement Claim: Obama Traveled to
Indonesia, Pakistan and India in 1981, when he was Twenty (20) Years Old on his
Indonesian Passport

Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan and Southern India in
1981. The relations between Pakistan and India were extremely tense and
Pakistan was in turmoil and under martial law. The country was filled with
Afghan refugees; and Pakistan's Islamist-leaning Interservices Intelligence
Agency (ISI) had begun to provide arms to the Afghan mujahideen and to assist
the process of recruiting radicalized Muslim men--jihadists-from around the
world to fight against the Soviet Union. Pakistan was so dangerous that it was
on the State Department's travel ban list for U.S. Citizens. [ObamaCrimes.com,
accessed 7/26/09]

FACT: No Such Ban Existed

From FactCheck.org:

But that claim is quite false. There was no such ban. Americans
traveled there without incident, as shown by a travel piece
that appeared in the New
York Times in 1981, dated June 14. Barbara Crossette,
an assistant news editor of the Times, told her mostly
American readers they could travel to Lahore, Pakistan, by air, rail or road,
adding: "Tourists can obtain a free, 30-day visa (necessary for Americans)
at border crossings and airports."

Her article prompted a letter to the Times from the U.S. consul
general in Lahore saying he would "welcome an influx of Americans" to
Lahore. He cautioned only that in addition to getting a visa for Pakistan,
American visitors also should be careful to line up an Indian visa for the
return trip if they planned to travel overland. The letter is dated Aug. 23,
1981.

Also, a travel advisory from the State Department dated Aug. 17,
1981 notes that Americans traveling to Pakistan require a 30-day visa, and that
any staying longer must check in with Pakistan's Foreigner Registration Office.
A digital copy of
the advisory is archived at the Electronic Research Collection,
a partnership between the State Department and the Federal Depository Library
at the University of Illinois at Chicago. [FactCheck.org, 6/5/09]

MYTH: The Military
Revoked The Deployment Papers Of A Major Scheduled To Deploy To Afghanistan
After Arguing He Should Not Be Required To Serve Under A President Who Has Not
Proven His Eligibility For Office.

Birther Movement Claim: WorldNetDaily
wrote:

A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida scheduled to report for
deployment to Afghanistan within days has had his military orders revoked after
arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven
his eligibility for office.

His attorney, Orly Taitz, confirmed to WND the military has
rescinded his impending deployment orders. [WorldNetDaily, 7/14/09]

FACT: Major Cook Volunteered For A One-Year Assignment In
Afghanistan In May And Only Brought His Suit In June.

Lt. Comm. William Speaks, a spokesman for Centcom stated:

"Maj. Cook volunteered for the one year assignment to
Afghanistan, in May of this year," said Speaks. "After he brought
this stuff to the fore, the unit that owned his billet canceled his
orders."

Speaks dismissed comments that Cook's attorney Orly Taitz, made
to WorldNetDaily, specifically her claim that "the military has directly
responded by saying Obama is illegitimate."

"This in no way
validates any of the outlandish claims made by Maj. Cook or his attorney,"
said Speaks. "The idea that this validates those charges about the
president's fitness for office is simply false." [Washington
Independent, 7/15/09]

Thank you for the info, even though it was rather lengthy.

Maybe "care4mycountry,mychildren,my parents" will get the hint, if he has the time to read it.

Naw, he'll probably post it a dozen more times on every discussion board remotely related to the President.

Watch the video.. Obama and his attorneys have crafted an argument that truly boggles the mind.

In a direct assault on everything the citizens of the USA take for granted, in layman's terms, his attorneys literally made the argument during a hearing on April 10th that because the document was so obviously faked and could not possibly be considered proof of citizenship, the document itself should not be allowed as evidence in the case.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Obama officially ineligible - Denver Conspiracy | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-officially-ineligible?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150813560905801_22858408_10150815481950801#f2d58f4d41ea61#ixzz1sh69Qtf6

Care4mycountry, here is a response to one of your previous posts:

"Careformycountry:

Did you even watch part of the legal proceedings?? If you did, you would notice immediately how weak the prosecutions is! Within 2nd video you pasted in your comment, the lawyer brings up a picture of Obama from some birther website online, where it is labeled as Hussane Obama, or however you spell that. He thinks that is EVIDENCE that can be used in court! However, an image taken from a website online that has no qualification is not evidence. People can put anything online. There is no foundation, evidence, or support to back the prosecution. In other words, this trial is a JOKE! It is pathetic. And, you are pathetic for even posting the links, as though the court is even worth anyone's time. The prosecution was dominated by "Obama's lawyer" throughout the entire proceedings. And, no, Alexandra did not "admit" anything. Look up your facts, buddy, before you make yourself look like an idiot. Finally, Alexandra defeated the opposition. Obama is the President of the United States. Stop whining, and get over it already!

Idiot."

I don't even think that this trial even involved Obama, or if he hired the lawyer. The president doesn't waste his time with ridiculous claims such as those made by the opposition. So, something seems fishy about this trial. It is "frivolous litigation." look it up

i would love to know why you are obsessed with male genitalia.

Vermontguy -

Re-think that. You don't REALLY want to know.

typical republican talk with no research.......they're white

A few have taken early retirement. That typically means they have 20+ years in the game. More likely 25+.

12 early retirements, along with a dozen or so new Divorce proceedings, would be my guess...

for violating the rules of their job.

For being completely without a moral compass and for criminal activity.

“Human trafficking -- the equivalent of modern day
slavery -- is an affront to human dignity, and goes against everything our
country stands for. And yet, it occurs in so many communities; workers are
exploited for labor behind closed doors, hidden from the public eye. This
includes horrific incidents of sex trafficking, where women and girls are
forced into prostitution, often after being lured from other countries with
promises of legitimate employment and better lives.

“The Justice Department is committed to the aggressive
prosecution of human trafficking cases. In the last full fiscal year, we
prosecuted more human trafficking cases than ever before. Those 52 cases
charged 99 defendants with crimes related to labor and sex trafficking. Many of
these cases target complex international cartels and involve many victims.

“Last spring, for example, defendant Amador Cortes-Meza
was sentenced to 40 years in prison on sex trafficking charges. Cortes-Meza was
the ring leader of an organization that brought 10 victims, including four
juveniles, from Mexico to the United States and forced them into prostitution.

“The Justice Department’s aggressive prosecution of cases
like this one should send a signal to other would-be traffickers that their
actions will not be tolerated in America.”

[The White House, Posted by Tom Perez on September 02, 2011, “Protecting
the Rights of Women and Girls”, ]

The Secret Service “Dirty Dozen” are in serious trouble of their own making

Our government and the nations of the world (UN Declartion of Human Rights) all abhore slavery. Prostitution supports slavery and slavery supports prostitution. There is the evil and the crime.

I was thinking politics. They've shown they're at least qualified for these positions:

1. Congress
2. Federal Judge
3. Supreme Court Justice
4. Presidential Nominee
5. President

No doubt. You forgot a few.

1. Sheriff

2. Policeman

3. District Judge

4. Mayor

5. Governor

6. CEO

7. TSA

8. College President

How will they explain this lapse in their resume'?

Gerry -

Is your car up a pole again?

Perhaps Obama should hire some Eunuchs.

Eunuchs are capable of having sex like any uncastrated male.

President Obama, just like all presidents & presidential candidates, do not and did not hire these guys. I believe the MAJORITY of these men & women who put their lives on the line daily are honorable and conduct themselves honorably. Unfortunately, for $50 dollars these 11-22 men have been proven to have conducted themselves without honor and put our President at risk. They should be released from service and not allowed to retire if they have service time, loose their retirement...or at the lease demoted to a rank that their retirement pay is reduced substantially.

Maybe the should adopt a new policy, all SS agents must be castrated before entering service. Oh yeah, and presidents too.

canuseeme, you may be right.... seems to be way too much testesterone in Washington, DC. No wonder we are always at war or rattling our war sabers. We need women in government.

What has ever been unprofessional about booze and whores? Don't business men go to strip clubs?

Mr. Cannon -

"The loneliest of them all was the eunich horn."

Bill, we're a democracy where the people vote for and elect who serves as President, they don't serve at the pleasure of the military or a quasi-military organization . . . you make the rest of us in Oregon sound like stoned out lunes when you posit such nonsense . . . please stop . . .

And it's too not "to" . . .

patrick1315

....you make the rest of us in Oregon sound like stoned out morons when you posit such nonsense . . . please stop .

Stoned Out Moron Patrick - spelling does not seem to be one of your strong points, but then it does not appear your grammar or intelligence is one either.

In a democracy we are all entitled to our opinion, because you don't agree with me doesn't make mine wrong and yours correct.

The Secret Service actions in this story are not something I would do myself, but they have done nothing that deserves loss of job or career.

There is so many more in DC that should have been fired years ago or never hired. But I do not see your angst expressed about them.

This is called two faced.

Patrick: Correction: We are a REPUBLIC, not a democracy....

Bill,

You quote "...you make the rest of us in Oregon sound like stoned out morons when you posit such nonsense . . . please stop."

I'm a fellow Oregonian (but wouldn't need to be to catch this), hate to break it to you, but the word is actually "posit". Patrick is correct.

noun

A statement that is made on the assumption that it will prove to be true

Excuse me Prof - I did not make my "post" as a "posit." I posted my opinion, Stoned Out Moron Patrick made the assumption it was a posit, but that is his fault, not mine.

Anyhow - as I said, two faced.

Bill, they are not in trouble for the sex - they are in trouble for where they were having (going to have) the sex. They should have taken their paid dates to a different hotel.

Actually I called your statement contained in your post a posit . . . perhaps I should have used postulation but that's a lot bigger word than posit, (4 syllables) . . . I'll try not to use such big words next time so I don't challenge your perhaps . . . all of seventh grade mentality . . .

And I'm not interested in an exchange of name calling with you . . . I just wish you'd quit making the rest of us in Oregon from looking like we live in some backwater state . . .

patrick1315

...And I'm not interested in an exchange of name calling with you . . . I just wish you'd quit making the rest of us in Oregon from looking like we live in some backwater state . . .

You may not be interested in name calling but you did a good job of starting it. Even this post that you just made - "backwater state" is yet more name calling. As you said, please stop it.

My comment on this story remains the same:

The judgment expressed in this article about the Secret Service people is two faced, posters condone it through their inaction when done by those that they support, but act like it is so terrible for those that they don't support.

There are more important issues than what has happened in this story. I wish folks would get as excited about them as they have here, but they don't.

Two faced.

It always amazes me the amount of JUVENILE bickering that exists on these blogs. Hate to tell you but all parties involved sound like immature dopes. Oops....I name called :(

“On account of being a democracy and run by the people, we are the only nation in
the world that has to keep a government four years, no matter what it does.”

- Will Rogers

Lindsey

I agree with you 100%...I been saying this for years.
I can't wait for it to happen and it will happen.
Men are so stupid!!!!!

There are women secret service agents. My cousin's ex-wife is one.

Hmmm...sorry but I worked for a company ran by women and once theyre grouped together and "in charge", theyre bit***s! The CEO of the company cheated on her husband with someone in the company so..... women still cheat and lie and act stupid so I cant agree with the afore mentioned statements.

Look at all the women teachers having sex with their students. There was even a NASA astronaut that was a little wacko- with the diaper thing...

Women fall prone to the same mistakes as men...

DaveM - I hear of more male teachers having sex with their students or worse, being pedophiles. Sorry buddy, but the cheating, whoring, lying B.S. in Washington is overwhelmingly a male problem!

And I lived in an expat and world-wide travel haven for 4 1/2 years... Hong Kong is a huge multi-cultural financial powerhouse country where businessmen were in and out of there all the time while traveling... seemed the majority of those I had occasion to "see" were engaging the services of a "dating service" when they were there. And they were brassy enough to wear their wedding rings while doing so.

I remember this one pub my husband and I used to go to in Hong Kong... there were these 3 hookers always there... beautiful Filipina "women" who "used to be men." We really got our laughs when these businessmen left with them!!! ROFLMAO!!!

DaveM - the examples you cite are rare and are certainly not prevalent. You really had to reach to cite those.

Yes, women do fall prone to the same mistakes as men, but to a degree, not as much. I would like to see more women in the CIA and Secret Service, though. It does seem a bit discriminatory that it's such a male-dominated field. In fact, women past menopause would be perfect for these jobs! (before you jump on this, I am a woman past menopause) lol.

Descrs & Kris:

Glad to cite this for you:

33 pages found by using bing. here is the list for page one. alot of women doing the same as the men.... if not worse... Teachers having sex with students... just sick... if this was a man it would be national news..... women are just as prone to fall into the same trap as men....

Here is a list of the teacher ‘sexpidemic’ cases WND has documented where female teachers have been accused, or convicted, of assaulting students:

Abbie Jane Swogger

Abbie Jane Swogger, 34: Teacher’s aide at Highlands Senior High School in Harrison, Pa., was arrested Feb. 22, 2008, for renting a hotel room where police found beer, marijuana, an open condom wrapper and at least four teenage girls and boys, including several of her 15-year-old son’s friends. Though categorically denying rumors she was having sex with students from the school, Swogger was quoted as saying, “I was stupid, very stupid. I already know I was and I can understand you looking at me wrong. It’s the biggest mistake I ever made in my whole life.” Police allege Swogger “asked or encouraged” two 15-year-old runaway girls to have sex with her. According to a police papers, Swogger admitted to having sex with a 17-year-old boy and asked police, “How serious is that?” The one-time exotic dancer resigned Feb. 25, 2008. Swogger accepted a 3- to-6-year jail term that included a 36-year probation on May 26, 2009. “I’m sorry I was not the role model I should have been. I’m really sorry,” she told the judge.

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Abigail Holloway

Abigail Holloway, 33 The former gym teacher at the Christian prep school, Kings Academy, in Sunnyvale, Calif., was arrested March 5, 2009, at St. Mary’s Academy in Englewood, Colorado, where she was working, on charges stemming from an alleged sexual relationship with a female student lasting from 2001 to 2005. The girl, now a student at Whitworth College in Spokane, Wash., told a school counselor about the relationship that had occurred in California beginning when she was 13. During that time, according to the girl, she and Holloway were intimate “over 100 times.” “We have a very special relationship. It is a gift from God,” states an alleged e-mail from Holloway to the girl in March 2003. “Not many people are going to understand that, but we know in our hearts that God made us for each other!” Holloway is fighting extradition.

Adrienne Laflamme

Adrianne Hockett: Accused of having sex with a 16-year-old special-needs student in a Houston apartment she rented for the get-togethers. The boy has testified the pair would “have sex, drink beer and smoke weed.”

Adrienne Laflamme, 60: Science teacher at the Brevard County Juvenile Detention Center in Cocoa, Fla., was arrested June 25, 2008, for having a four-week heated affair with an inmate student, 17, within days of his release. The boy’s mother said the teacher regularly picked him up from their home to have sex at her own residence. Laflamme had sex with the student at least 15 times, including one threesome with a 14-year-old boy. She has been charged with 15 counts of unlawful sex with minors and one count of filing a false police report.

Alison Mosbeck

Alison Mosbeck, 33: History teacher at Dueitt Middle School in the Spring, Texas, school district was arrested Oct. 26, 2007, for allegedly having intercourse at least three times with one of her students, a 14-year-old boy. The mother of one of the students’ friends saw text messages from Mosbeck on the student’s cellphone and alerted authorities.

Alison Peck

Alison Peck, 23: Former teacher at Greenfield High School in Greenfield, Mo., was charged May 22, 2009, in Green County with statuatory rape after convincing two friends to help her spend a night at a motel in Springfield with a 16-year-old boy who used to be her student. Peck had already been charged in Dade County on May 14 with having sexual relations with the boy at a park in that county sometime between January and March. On the day after receiving that citation, she arranged with friends to meet the boy at the Springfield motel. On May 17, she was charged with statuatory sodomy and statuatory rape because the boy told the detective that he had liaisons with Peck at her home in Mount Vernon. Judges have set bonds of $2,500 in Dade County, $10,000 in Lawrence County, and $200,000 in Greene County and Leo has been issued a no-contact order, told to stay 1,000 feet away from the boy’s home and school and to surrender her passport.

Allenna Ward

Allenna Ward, 24: Minister’s daughter from Laurens County, S.C., was a second-year teacher at Bell Street Middle School in Clinton, S.C., when she was fired Feb. 28, 2007, for allegedly having sex with at least five boys. Some of the purported victims, ages 14 and 15, were students at Ward’s school. Authorities say the married woman had sex with the boys not only on campus, but also at a motel, in a park and behind a restaurant. On Sept. 6, 2007, Ward pleaded guilty to six charges – three second-degree criminal sexual conduct with a minor and three lewd acts on a minor. “Today, I publicly admit my guilt and would like to apologize. I sincerely apologize for the effects of my actions,” she told the court. On Feb. 19, 2008, she was sentenced to six years in prison.

Amanda Athey

Amanda Athey, 27: Charged Aug. 8, 2007, in Huntersville, N.C. with three counts of indecent liberties with a female student and one count of sexual activity with a female student. The relationship came to light when the girl’s father became suspicious of the Hopewell High School English teacher’s friendship with his daughter. She had told the father she was married to a man named Cal but after her arrest, it came to light she lived with another woman named Callie.

Amber Jennings, 31: Though Jennings was initially charged with having sex with a 16-year-old, the counts against the Sturbridge, Mass., woman were reduced to a single charge of disseminating harmful materials to a minor. She reportedly admitted e-mailing naked photos of herself to a former student. She received no jail time, only two years of probation after pleading guilty in September 2005.

Amber Marshall

Amber Marshall, 23: Northwest Indiana woman allegedly had sexual contact, including intercourse, with several students at Hebron High School, and turned herself into authorities, telling police she knew what she did was illegal.

Amira Sa’Di, 30: Clayton County, Ga., math teacher at Mundy’s Mill High School was arrested and charged with sexual assault of a student in November 2005. She reportedly remarked she didn’t think her relationship was inappropriate based on her Internet research, learning Georgia’s age of consent is 16.

Amy Beck

Amy Beck, 33: Teacher at David Starr Jordan Middle School in Burbank, Calif., surrendered to police March 8, 2010, apparently overcome by guilt, according to authorities. She allegedly had a sexual relationship with one of her male students, who was 14 at the time, from March to September 2009. Beck was charged with five counts, including four counts of unlawful sex with a person under 16 and one count of oral copulation with a person under 16. She faces up a maximum sentence of up to seven years in state prison.

Could you imagine. Once they all got in sync, Obama could walk through downtown Kabul 3 days a month and no one would dare touch him.

such a mature reply...

what are you talking about? try to make some sense.

if you are talking about this story, obama doesn't particularly supervise the secret service.

hey vermont you do realize that these are the SAME guys that watched bush dont ya???? lmao

Wow. Your ill informed statement says it all. Typical Republican/conservative.

So, that guy throwing his two shoes at George Bush was Bush's fault ?

I forgot to mention, that the Officers get their own bus. Sometimes a limo. And usually use the back entrance. Ahem.

again, once more, there is a difference between random sailors from a navy ship and the group assigned to presidential security. Obama was due the next day, so if the agents got compromised obama was just around the corner.

You obviously never served your country. The Secret Service, CIA,FBI and all Military swear to a declaration of executing their duties in a professional, moral and faithful manner with the utmost integrity.

Govener Christie said it correctly, we have become a nation of couch potatoes sitting around on couches waiting for the next government check Entitlements should be earned.

elwood - I have said it once and I will say it again. It's not the sex that got them in trouble - it is the place the sex was taking place. They should have taken their Paid Dates to a different hotel.

Ken, I did actually serve my country, but it wasn't the USA.

My point is, if it is ok for the American military to run around using prostitutes in countries like Australia or Singapore, why should Columbia be different. Is there a big difference between the weapons officer or head of encryption on a nuclear submarine using overseas prostitutes and a SS Agent?

You have the captains of aircraft carriers ordering 'take-out' from the Hilton in Perth, but Obamas little body guards are supposed to be different? Come on. Why is everyone getting so precious all of a sudden? Oh! The secrets' out!

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Actually, the female company having a normal night of fun and frivolity in Australian bars and restaurants can take a lot of business away from the pros.

And I agree Deb, it wasn't the nooky that got them in trouble. But, unlike you, I say it was the price quibbling that lit the fuse...

fox covered it too...pretty much everyone did. Americans love a good sex story, and being profit driven groups, media gives americans what they want.

ummm, where have you been? All you have to do is look around for your "serious news". It's everywhere.

TR Rose: Are you kidding me? The last time I looked it was a Democratic President that spent OVER 5,000,000,000.00 in just over 31/2 years and you want to see how much he can spend in the next 4 years? I'm not sure how much my kids, grand kids, great grand kids and so on and so forth can pay for.

I think you are saying what most americans want, The congress should not be even looking at this and the news media really likes to run with this story.. They do the stuff on the working man but when our congressmen and women and the Senators go overseas they do the same thing except the News media doesn't say a thng. Why is this.. Also what was the secret service made up of how many Black and how many white or other races.???

are you sure that these people get unemployment..and that the only evidence was the "columbian whore"?

Moretimer,You do not qualify for unemployment benefits if you QUIT a job. The last three words in the title of this article are "three more quit".