Rape suits at military schools.

I thought the same thing when I saw that teaser.

Apparently they are needed.

Isn't that crazy? That's exactly where my mind went as well.

the fact that she used poor judgement and got drunk doesn't excuse the rapist. Rape is a serious crime. If this jackass would rape her, he'd rape your sister or daughter

Boss of Sauce

The title is misleading, I thought it was about some new kind of suit you can wear if you're a rapist.

But seriously, are women no longer responsible for getting themselves drunk and making dumb decisions?

^^^^^

I agree. A friend of mine that use to hang out at late night bars/clubs was raped many years back. she took part of the responsibility for it after she admitted that she was wearing skimpy and revealing clothing, and was using/making sexual advances toward men to get free drinks.

She's changed the way she lives now. She dresses much better and she's in AA as well, but she did take part of the blame for her role in what she was doing in these places.

She talks to women about the places they go, the way they dress, and how they use sex to get freebies from men in bars/clubs. Bottom line is, you don't know the creep you are going to meet and hook up with, and once you get in their car or take them home with you, turning off the off button is no longer the option when you bring home a drunk man or someone on drugs.

Turning a man on doesn't always mean you can turn them off. Think twice women on the men you hook up with and meet in bars/clubs.

jussayin-

Did I read this right? Did one of these women get drunk, get raped, and then turn right around and do it again?

Kind of scary the people who sign up for the military these days. Rapists and morons.

And what kind of person would take out their rapist's trash? LOL She's supposedly got enough backbone to be a soldier, but she would accept that kind of humiliation?

patter123

Did I read this right? Did one of these women get drunk, get raped, and then turn right around and do it again?

Kind of scary the people who sign up for the military these days. Rapists and morons.

^^^^^

You read it right Patter123. We need to have people in the military that are drunks and irresponsible people. it's time to clean it up and toss all these ignorant dimwits and alcoholics out of the military. If you can't handle your liquor, then you shouldn't be drinking in the first place. Next, the military will be paying for AA meetings for those that can't get their act together.

And what kind of person would take out their rapist's trash? LOL She's supposedly got enough backbone to be a soldier, but she would accept that kind of humiliation?

Stupid is as stupid does, and she is probably too stupid to figure out which one she is.

“I have zero doubt that my company commander raped me the night of March 16.”

This was a statement made by one of the defendants who admitted to getting drunk, passing out and awaking wearing her company commanders clothes. Does zero doubt = 100% assurance?

A woman gets drunk and gets raped and then does it again isn't exactly the person we want as a military leader.

Hey General Kendzoir, after you create the battle plan do you want to go out for a beer?

No after my 20 years of military service and getting drunk and raped 45 times I quit drinking.

Great! You blame the victim for the actions of a pig! Rape is crime of violence not one of sex. These men are simply hating women when they force themselves on them. It doesn't matter what these women wore, period. You think you're the clothing police? Get screwed! No one, and I mean NO ONE DESERVES TO BE RAPED!

The fact that U.S. military institutions allow this kind of behavior is outrageous. It just says that as a nation we condone sexual violence against women. But in this society that isn't difficult to imagine. Men are given higher pay for the same jobs, women are excluded from high end social clubs. Not all that much different from the Taliban.

Then you read some of the comments here and just seals the deal. You blame a women for wanting to do what a man can do and she's guilty of "looking to hot". Total IGNORANCE on the behalf of men. Or being stupid for socializing with men while drinking. Absurd. We have laws that forbid sexual assault and the institutions responsible for training our military leadership must enforce them.

Not to mention that most men will call a woman a whore for having multiple sex partners but the same man will do the same and be called macho.

I grew up just outside West Point - The Village of Highland Falls, many years ago.

During the winter the town girls had to worry about the Cadets (although they had much less freedom then they do today). This was before women were allowed at the Academy.

During the summer they had to worry about the "Summer Troops" training around the area.

Our town high school girls were treated like prey - several I know were date raped by cadets / troops. At that time Ladycliff College was just outside the SouthGate ... they also had problems.

The local mothers pushed the girls to marry a cadet - it was a prestigious thing.

Soldiers should respect each other as comrades and taking advantage of a teammate you get drunk is just not acceptable.

For many years at these military schools that supposedly train officers and gentlemen, once the women arrive however, they leave the gentlemen part out, boys will be boys as it were. From the higher ranks down to the middle level officers this is a bigger boys club, women shouldn't apply. The higher you go the more protected and insulated you become, and your whole job is to go higher, these guys don't bother with the day to day running of things, their whole focus is saving their asses and promoting their careers, any sort of misadventure wrecks their plans. These women who get drunk and become the victims of officers who are not gentlemen and sue, shine a light on these high level leaders of these military institutions and they are like rats and run away from the light so not to diminish their standing in the eyes of the promotion boards. If they manage to discredit the victims and pretend those events didn't happen, or sweep them under the rug, or make a subordinate take the blame, they are home free and can retire as admirals and generals. They truly hate this stuff, not because it happens, or the outcome for the victims, but because it becomes known, and it affects their status and retirement!!

No!

Bothe academies have two serious problems to address:

- Sexual assaul and rape,

- Alcoholism and acohol abuse.

Item: most cadets and midshipmen are under 21 years old.

This is the good old boy network. The military schools never wanted women in the schools but were required to accept qualified applicants and their response has always been to ignore any abuse reported. This disregard is not only in the academies but carries over into the military itself.

I am so tired of hearing stories like this about our military academies (and not just there, but military-wide). I believe these women, and I believe they have been persecuted for being victims. I hope they prevail, and that FINALLY something is done about the abuse of power, and the gross lack of leadership. It is disgusting.

I am former military with 8 years served.

Vegains, rape doesn't necessarily have to be violent. Two people go out and get drunk. In a drunken state they fool around, flirt, and make a number of bad choices. They eventually end up in bed seemingly consensually. The next day, once they are sober, one or both may realize the mistake. Eventually, the girl reports the incident (I've never heard of a guy reporting under these circumstances). They guy is charged with rape because the girl was too drunk to consent.

Don't get me wrong. I believe a rapist should be locked up for many years, if not forever, but when both parties are drunk or under the influence of other drugs, the line between rape and consensual sex can become blurred.

The academies do have rules against rape and those rules are enforced however, the rape has to be clear cut. You can't destroy someone's life simply because you and that other person were drunk and did something stupid and the next day you decided it shouldn't have happened so you reported it.

How long has this been going on?? Doesn't anyone remember Operation Tailhook and the abuse that female Naval aviators were subjected to by their fellow officers and GENTLEMEN?? Obviously it takes more than an act of Congress to bestow the title on many of the line officers in our services.

Anyone who can't accept the lack of respect displayed in Las Vegas, needs to review the movie 'A Few Good Men', the lack of moral character demonstrated by Col. Jessup is more pervasive amongst military brass than we should have to endure.

Unfortunately, as evidenced by the article our military academies seem to be evolving into little more than 'Animal House' with uniforms.

I've heard the military is becoming more and more Fundamentalist/Evangelical Christian. Is this how Evangelical's act toward women?

You got it right rainlady2, These FEC'es hate that women are the equal of men and are working hard in our society including the military to take away their rights. Abortion, birth control, equal pay etc. What do you think would happen to a gay troop if he raped a male soldier?

Frankly I believe that the volunteer military is the biggest mistake our country has made. When every citizen was subject to the draft the citizenry was way more interested in what the military was up to.

...so, sauce... you're saying it's a woman's fault if she gets raped? Menare allowed to go out drining, but women aren't because they might get raped? Men and women are different, but they should be treated with the samedignity and respect.

BoredwithsameO,

The all volunteer military serves no purpose other than to allow the affluent to avoid putting their butts on the line to defend the rights, liberty and privileges that goes with being American. Whenever a large scale military conflict involves American troops an automatic random draft should go into effect.

Noone, I mean noone, should ever have to be deployed into battle several times when there 20 million replacements sitting on the shelf....War is not only a threat to life, but to marriage, family and sanity also.

tiredofhypocrites has it right (comment 2.19). When I was in college, I worked for an on-campus organization that was affiliated with the local rape crisis center. (My "branch" of the organization educated students, mostly the freshman class, about the potential dangers of alcohol and how to mitigate them in a college atmosphere). While working with this group, I was privy to a good number of rape case specifics that were reported to the crisis center and a HUGE number of them were instances involving alcohol (or other drugs) where the girl would contend that she was raped, while the "guilty" party was often shocked at the allegation and had thought the entire event was mutual. In many cases, the girl had no memory of the night (from way too much drinking) and couldn't remember if she gave consent or not, but because she regretted it in the morning, it was "rape."

Now, that is not intended as a defense of rapists-- far from it-- but only to point out that alcohol can complicate social interactions, including sexual encounters. This effect is magnified if the people consuming are "lightweights" and don't know their limits. Alcohol loosens inhibitions-- it's a social lubricant, so-to-speak-- and you may do things in the moment that you regret the next day, but that doesn't mean that it was "rape."

@Vegains

Rape is crime of violence not one of sex.

Yes, exactly-- true rape is a crime of power and domination. Sex is a secondary, or even tertiary effect. But far too frequently, people cry rape after-the-fact simply because they regretted the encounter. This improperly implicates otherwise normal, hot-blooded American youths as "rapists" when all they were doing (they thought) was hooking up with an attractive girl for the night and delegitimizes true cases of forced rape.

Now, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I know what happened to these two girls from the article, as some on here have done with such enthusiasm, but this:

Marquet, a former West Point cadet, said she was pressured by upperclassmen to get drunk and raped by a fellow student while she was intoxicated.

and this:

Kendzior, who entered the Naval Academy in 2008, said she was raped twice by two different fellow students, both times while she was drunk.

Suggest that there may be more to this story than what's being reported here. Sounds like both of these girls were at a party, drinking while underage, and made some bad decisions. Whether or not they were forcibly raped while telling their assailant "no" multiple times is not something addressed in the article. So how can anyone sit here and make judgements without knowing the full story? This isn't a simple case of "They were raped. Castrate the assailants." For all we know, these girls may have initiated sex and came to regret it after the fact, maybe once they realized their reputation was tarnished or that they had earned a new nickname from their fellow girls ("slut!"). Every case is different and every case needs to be thoroughly examined. If forcable rape was committed, then the assailant needs the heaviest book thrown at them as possible. If it was a party gone awry? Well, then everyone has some blame to share, don't they? In any case, this:

the school punished her for reporting the incident by forcing her to take out her attacker's trash.

is horrifying, regardless of the circumstances of the alleged attack.

But seriously, are women no longer responsible for getting themselves drunk and making dumb decisions?

What is with blaming the victim? A woman should be able to walk down a road naked and drunk and not expect to be raped. Are we men a bunch of uncontrolable beasts that lose all responsibility if a woman is "asking for it" so to speak? Good grief.

A woman should be able to walk down a road naked and drunk and not expect to be raped

ROFL

What kind of la-la land do you live in?

Women, just like men, are subject to the consequences of their actions in the real world.

If women in the military want to put a stop to being raped, they need to use self-control and if/when that doesn't work, a bullet between their assailant's eyes. That's always works. Zero tolerance. The military can explain to the scum's parents how he was killed by "friendly fire." Every woman has the right to defend herself against a rapist, including the use of deadly force.

So these girls got drunk with some boys, had sex and regretted the act later. The broad definition of rape includes having sex with a woman under the influence of alcohol and holds a man, drunk or not,, but not a woman, drunk or not, accountable for sexual conduct. This broad definition classifies just about every sexual act after dinner including wine or beer as rape.

Did these women report the assault to the police and press charges?

The biggest problem I have with is is that she claims she got drunk and was raped twice. If you can't learn from the first time it's a shame they didn't also kill you.

F Walsh - yeah, because people that get drunk and raped more than once deserve to die. dickhead.

It's true that those can technically be included, but those cases are so hard to prove that I'm pretty sure that only cases with people who really did take advantage of women could ever actually make it to trial. F Walsh, you are unbelievable.

The Anti-Lib - don't you know it's people like you that make liberals look good?

Sanctions???????????If rape occurred, those builty should spend years in prison, not just sanctioned...

...because libs need all the help they can get.

The Anti-Lib - I bet with your name calling insults you were hell on wheels in the 7th grade. Grow up dude if you want to be invited to the grown-ups table to have a conversation. There was a discussion going on about this rape thing before you butted in with your "Shut up.......Dum-mass." crap out of nowhere.

Can we please not make this about liberals and conservatives?

Main thing first there is no excuse for rape if thats what happened. they should be tried, if found guilty they should be castraited or put away for a very long time, they are not fit to be around women.

Why shouldn't it become about liberals and conservatives, There would be no issue if it wasn't for liberal women who insist on being in the military with special privilages, lower physical requirements, unable to meet the same standards as men and cause problems just by being there. NO MATTER WHAT YOU WANT men are goingn to be distracted by the women in such close proximity, close sonfines for extended periods of time will help lead to romances and raises the adultery levels in the military, also leads the men to feel they have to protect the women soldiers even more then just normal even to include putting themselves in danger needlessly to protect them. Also why should they be allowed to be in combat areas if they cannot keep up with the rest the platton, they tend to have slower run times so means they will possibly hold up the rest when needing to move quick. If another soldier is injured they are not able to carry that soldier to safety.

New Theory: Definition of "rape" : " If you take a girl out and you both get drunk and subsequently have sex it's "rape". Boy! Sounds like not accepting responsibility for one's own actions. One needs only to cross her legs.

It's interesting to me that only men post that kind of garbage, Gil. ...because you have never been raped (I assume) don't pretend to assume you know how "easy" it is not to be.

No one has the right to rape just because someone thinks that they can take advantage of another's condition - or any other reason for that matter.

B u l l s h i t!

@deb-colorado. You are part of the problem. As long as there are people (especially women) that say that it is the womans fault if she was not lily white pure in any situation then all rapists will get off. It always, always makes me wonder what has gone on in your life (or is currently going on) that makes you think that it is a womans fault if she is raped.

Isn't self control one of the things these guys are supposed to be learning at these military academies? These are the people who will be in charge of our military when they graduate. It's no wonder the soldiers do such stupid things when they are in war in other countries if this is the level of self control their commanding officers learn in officer training school.

Scarcely a month goes by without a high profile rape accusation case that leads the headlines of every newspaper and news outlet. Then, after invention, the women admit the rape allegations were false.

Kelcy I am a woman and I would be partly responsible if I got so drunk I couldn't defend myself in public. There are cases in which the victim, not having learned from previous experience (note the woman claims it happened twice), IS responsible. The first time should have been a learning experience. It was not, she asked for it. Pretending like she is sugar-sweet innocence in this case is ridiculous. Also no one has been convicted yet so whether or not this happened remains to be seen. I hate men with a passion but women who cry rape because they are mad or want money are suspect as well.

" I hate men with a passion " #5.6 - Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:53 AM EST

Makes sure to have a number of " Fire Walls " between self, and you kow who :-)

rape-definition, by the FBI,

Federal Bureau on Investigations:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/advisory-policy-board

they have done quite well on the battlefied obviously you never read the article exspecially about the women in the kentucky unit in iraq look it up moron

The Anti-Lib - I wouldn't talk - you can't even spell "dumb ass"

"Shut up.......Dum-mass." - didn't you post this?

I have too much fun making people like you look like the fools that you are.

To you, others may appear the fool, but to others YOU ARE THE FOOL.

I'm impressed.

You do know that when you push that button on your video game you're not really killing someone...right?

Amen to that...all rapists must die...especially military ones.Whatever happened to military discipline? I guess it went down the toilet like a lot of other American worthwhile values.....'just sayin'....And stop blaming Obama, because he didn't have us looking for "weapons of mass-destruction" that were never found.....'nuff said...............

tyler.

I'm curious what you're talking about. What code did I violate, and what did I flame?

Do you have me mistaken with Devlyn13?

twisted fister

no video games here. just reality.

I consider "Rape" ie: As in Forced Unwanted Sexual Intercourse, to be one of the most heinous acts that anyone can do to another person. I also feel the death penalty is warranted for the crime.

My comment, I've killed for less, is just a fact. I have killed someone for less. I was sitting at a stop light and some drug addict smashed the passenger side window and attempted to steal my car.

I shot the F**ker in the chest and he died. So, yes, I have killed for a lesser crime than rape. And I will have no problem doing it again.

You know what pi$$es me off the most about the incident? The fact I had to shoot someone, I had to make the decision to protect myself, and because of some drug crazed idiot I am living with it. Just think if I took a different route home or had made the light. Just think if this person had gotten help with his addiction and was never there to begin with. I'm grateful to be alive and I would do it again if I had to. But I would feel better if this guy had stayed home that night.

I have always carried and will continue to do so.

Devlyn, they were ordered to drink?! Wow, you sure are reaching there!!! These women drink because THEY WANT TO DRINK AND THEY WANT TO GET DRUNK! They're placing themselves in harms way. Nothing new there. GEESH!

concerned vet, youre mistaken. i was surprised to read an article about how common rape of men by men is in the military. and not only is the victim embarrassed to report it, the military tries to cover it up if anyone does come forward. in the navy, if a women wont put out, they accuse her of being lesbian- that should decrease some now that being gay is allowed. this type of cover up is being exposed more and more- remember the tailhook scandal for navy fighter pilots, the catholic priest molestations, what about this secret service scandal. i dont know why the 99% of guys who can control themselves tolerate the 1% who pull this stuff. its past time to crack down on the few losers. i think society is progressing, and womens rights are becoming more of a reality, but its a constant struggle against people like you and breitbart who try to paint any progress as communism and some type of threat to your way of life. how would you like it if your daughter had something to drink at a party and was sexually assaulted. a common joke among kids now is to write on a persons face with a magic marker while theyre sleeping off a drunk- how come theyre not all raped- because normal people dont do that, psychopaths do that. we dont need psychopaths in the military.

"surprised to read an article about how common rape of men by men is in the military"

Just for fun.....how about citing your source for us.....but it's the HuffPost or similar rag......never mind. Your statement isn't true and maybe you should go join "DevlsAdvacut" (above) in his mom's basement.

To the Anti-Lib: Simply Google statistics on Military Sexual Trauma. Here's just one example of the data that comes up--and it's old data from the Guard and Reserves, not the Academies. I'd be willing to bet those numbers are substantially higher.

Sexual Trauma in the Military Reserves and the National Guard

• 27% of men have experienced military sexual trauma
• 60% of women have experienced military sexual trauma
• 3.5% of men have experienced military sexual assault
• 23% of women have experienced military sexual assault
• 11% of women have experienced rape
• 1.2% of men have experienced rape
• Service branch with the highest percentage of women reporting sexual trauma:
  Marine Corps
• 20% of women seeking care at VA facilities have experienced sexual trauma
• 1% of men seeking care at VA facilities have experienced sexual trauma
• 8.3 percentage of women report lifetime PTSD related to MST
• More than half of the incidents took place at a military work site and
  during duty hours
• The majority of the offenders in these cases were military personnel
• Factors that increase risk of sexual assault for active duty females include
  presence of officers who condone or allow sexual harassment and unwanted sexual
  attention

Sources: Department of Defense: 2006 Annual Report on Military Services Sexual Assault
[pdf]

This is not a trivial matter, and it's not because a woman can't hold her liquor. Most cadets entering the military academies are fresh out of high school, and are a reasonable cross-section of demographics from across the nation. How worldly do you think the majority of these kids are? They enter the academies, motivated by patriotism and duty, and get chills down their spines when they hear the National Anthem being played. It doesn't enter their minds that they will be the target of someone else's antagonism, or hatred, or power issues, and they aren't prepared to rip someone's balls off if or when that line is crossed, as it frequently is. They are told to follow orders, and when an upperclass cadet puts them in a compromising position, they rarely feel like they have any recourse, especially if they haven't exercised the best judgment and landed themselves in questionable circumstances in the first place. But assault and rape should NEVER be the consequences for naivete or poor judgment.

RRS

I wish I could give you a thousand thumbs up

Here are a few sources regarding the subject. The VA acknowledges this and thankfully is aggressively addressing the problem.

http://www.swords-to-plowshares.org/2011/12/01/military-sexual-trauma-a-crisis-within-the-armed-forces/

http://www.mentalhealth.va.gov/msthome.asp

http://www.ptsd.va.gov/public/pages/military-sexual-trauma-general.asp

Concerned disabled Vet

#11 - Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:48 PM EST

False rumour do not make up for real facts: In reality Male Rapes are more common then most think, it is just that it is " Un Manly " to report that one has been raped especially if the rapist is a " petite female " but I do recommend you and some on this thread do some further reading ON Facts, especial so called " cougars " raping Young males and getting away with it.

anti-lib,

you talkin to me? Mothers basement? I think you have me confused with Devlyn13.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Lynn: If the female cadets were drunk, they were in no condition to agree to consensual sex. It's just like the case of an underage minor engaging in "consensual" sex. At the very least, the other party is guilty of statuatory rape in both situations.

This does create the scenario where a female can get drunk, engage in sex, and claim rape later. Fair or not, it puts the onus of responsible behavior on the males, who should exercise extreme caution when selecting thier sexual partners. (Unfortunately, once alcohol is introduced into the decision-making process, that's very unlikely!)

Had enough, if we can say that a drunk woman is in no state to consent to sex, then it is reasonable to assume that the drunk man is no condition to be "responsible" for good decision making, either.

Rape is one of the most disgusting crimes to me, but I think that we need to very clearly define it and take a hardline with it. If there is RESTRAINT of the victim, then it is rape. If there is violence (including threats), then it is rape. If there are drugs INVOLUNTARILY involved, then it is rape. If they are underage, well to some degree I don't agree with it being "rape" in a classical sense (without any of the above conditions) , but I give you that one.

I'm sure that I am missing some here, but simply getting drunk and then passing out in a man's bed is a difficult one for me to classify as "rape." I have never personally gotten so drunk that I passed out in some strange environment, and if I had, I was the one entirely responsible for drinking that much no matter how much peer pressure was put on me to drink that much.

And this is going to sound very cold, I'm sure (and is not something I would ever personally do, either) but if they are so drunk that they don't even remember having the sex, how did it psychology harm them anyway? Wasn't the whole point of being a victim that they were harmed in some way? Sex by itself is NOT harmful.

After all that, I will say that I have NEVER had sex with anyone that was drunk, not even a girlfriend that I knew would consent anyway. Not because I would worry about it being called rape by her, but because it just doesn't appeal to me if she is too drunk to properly participate. It is just difficult for me to view these conditions as "rape" in my mind.

"Rape" is usually not about sex, even according to psychologists that have studied rapists. It is about dominance, humiliation, and physical assault. Those are the main driving factors for a rapist. There is malice intended, not simply getting off because you are horny. If we go much further with the modern definitions of rape, we will soon reach the whole "begging for sex" as being defined as rape as well.

We need very specific and legal definitions of "rape." Allowing the "victim" to claim rape after deciding that they regret their decision is not ok.

"Justice" by your definition, date rape is not sex and not rape at all, because the woman being raped was drugged and did not remember her rape, therefore she has experienced no psychological trauma. Because apparently knowing that someone took advantage of you while you were completely helpless and essentially used your body like a toy has no consequences for the victim's psyche.

Let me spell it out for you in very clear, very simple terms: if the victim is incapable of giving consent - because she was voluntarily drunk or involuntarily drugged - then she or he has not given consent and any and all acts perpetrated against her are considered RAPE. Period. They are not sex. The only time when sex happens is when you have two (or more) CONSENTING adults. Wrap your head around these simple facts and stop spouting drivel about how drunk women aren't harmed because they were too drunk to be harmed. Haven't you heard that victim blaming has been going out of vogue in recent years?

Rape is caused by anger, the need for power, or sadistic behavior.

Gia, I take it you didn't bother to read my entire comment because you had an opinion and were just too eager to post it.

I said INVOLUNTARILY drugged. Her drinking too much, was voluntary unless they hooked up some IV to her and infused the alcohol that way. Using DRUGS unknown to the victim to knock them out and then have sex with them IS assault. It was not voluntary.

Again, you didn't read my entire comment and really shouldn't have bothered replying if you weren't considerate enough to do that. It just makes you look foolish. Next time, take the time to actually read it all.

Justice099 wrote ""Rape" is usually not about sex, even according to psychologists that have studied rapists. It is about dominance, humiliation, and physical assault. "

The same psychologists will conclude that not even sex is about sex and physical assault is not about physical assault.

gia wrote "Let me spell it out for you in very clear, very simple terms: if the victim is incapable of giving consent - because she was voluntarily drunk or involuntarily drugged - then she or he has not given consent and any and all acts perpetrated against her are considered RAPE. "

This describes nearly all sexual activity after dinner and a glass or two of wine. Why is a man a criminal when a woman engages in consensual sex and then withdraws consent hours, days or months after the encounter when the sex didn't produce the result she wanted, usually a relationship or favor and fortune?

With the increasing sexual hostility to men, here is the inevitable solution :

Every man should video every sexual encounter with a minimum of a cell phone. It will include this statement from the woman before and after the act : "I am willingly giving sexual consent to this man without being under the influence of alcohol" as well as video documentation of each act of sex. This will also lead to men no longer providing alcohol to women and insisting these women do not consume alcohol around them.

Every mother and father should instruct their sons to do the above in additional to formal instruction of that procedure in every high school sex education class.

I agree Justice. I am a woman and I am sick of reading about women getting drunk and having sex then claiming later that it was rape. It makes all of us look like we can't control our own actions or behavior. I would never get drunk in public or with a group of people I don't know. I rarely get drunk at home that is an action you can control and if you are drunk and not thinking clearly so are your companions why should they be held to a higher standard than you? It demeans the intelligence of all women to claim this. Gia, having your drink drugged is completely different. Learn to reason before you comment.

soumi girl wrote "Rape is caused by anger, the need for power, or sadistic behavior."

Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned. False rape accusation or at least the threat of making a false rape accusation is a woman's power.

Vincent, do you know how hard it is to prove rape? Don't pretend that men are being put away left and right by vindictive women. Most real rapists get off without so much as a slap on the wrist because of people with attitudes like yours. Women are to afraid or embarrassed to report incidents of real rape.

You're 90% correct, while others join because they are CONTROL FREAKS, and LOVE kicking other humans around, like the rePUKElican party! There are many enlisted men, that go in as Officers after they earn their Bachelor's Degree, they go IMMEDIATELY up the chain of command!

As a woman, if I was enlisted, any co-troop tried to do that to me, I would probably be in jail, for he certainly would be without a penis, or DEAD! Women in the military should know better, for there has been plenty news that women are being raped in the military; they should KEEP their distance and grow eyes in the back of their heads! It's been reported, that there are over 300 rapes a year, on women, in the military, and they consistently, brush their terrible behavior under the rug; or do they consider it part of their basic training, in case they are captured by the enemy, in which, they just might be sexually assaulted? If that was the case, and they knew it, I bet there would be fewer women joining the military!

Bruce D Anderson... you state “The fact is most people who join the military are people who dont' know
what the hell to do with their lives and they dont' have the money to pay for an education, so they join the military.” Where did you get that fact? What a bunch of Bull! That is not a fact! We have a number of officers that it is family tradition to serve their country. My husband is a retired Military Member and his
father could have paid for his college but he went ROTC. He put in 22 years of service so that you can put you bias opinion and non- facts here. During our period that he was in the military I was amazed at our young military members and the professionalism they showed while on the job, from PFC to our young lieutenants. (Both male and female) The percentage of rapes within our military is much lower than within the general population. (Although that is no excuse). Because it is the Military the Press goes haywire anytime a crime is committed. As of Sept. 2010 we had 1,430,895. We have one of the largest Army in the world, and I am VERY PROUD to have been apart of it.

My husband now works with Wounded Warriors. They are the most amazing
people in this country! They put the rest of us to shame! I bet if you have every really been around our troops you would change your mind. My bet is that you have lived in you perfect little bubble of a community out in CA, or CO and have never left your bubble! Get a real life, and if you don’t know what you are talking about than don’t make a
fool of yourself.

Thank you to those who serve so Mr. Bruce can state is non-fact BS and those others who think they know it all. G. B. U. S. A.

I don't think either of you adequately explain the military environment. And I'm not excusing any assaults or cover-ups.

But if you step back and look at this situation objectively, you can see incidents like this are inevitable. These academies are where young people are taught how to best make war. In other words, young men (and now women) are being broken down systematically to a more primal state - because, face it, war is a primal activity. These young people are taught how to kill people and destroy things in as efficient a manner as our technology allows.

This is the environment in which women over past decades wanted "more access to opportunities," etc. So we've mixed social agenda with intentionally created primal educational environments, and people being people, these kind of incidents are the foreseeable result.

The question going forward is whether, for the sake of the social agenda, we change the educational environment. In other words, do we deviate from the known training techniques that have produced battlefield success? And if so, how much?

Wow Bryce!!! What keen insight......for someone that doesn't have a clue.

Hmmm......"No mind." Yep.....couldn't agree more. Eisenhower, Kennedy, Bush 1, etc. never accomplished anything remotely approaching YOUR success in life......I'm sure.

In retrospect I can see now where I went wrong. Silly me, at 18 I knew exactly what I wanted to do, joined the military, qualified for the G.I. Bill which I used to get my degree (cum laude), went on to have a highly successful, 32+ year career and am now enjoying life with a worth well into the seven figure range. (My son is well on his way following the same track.)

Man! Where the hell did we go wrong??? Sure wish I'd have known you when I was about to get out of high school......I might have had a shot at making something of myself with your expert guidance.

It must be pretty crowded in DevlsAdvcut's mom's basement with him and his video games, Earthie (above) with her penis envy and you, the Dalai Lama of Hoboken.......shut up more-on.

Not to worry Bryce, we few will protect your right to believe whatever you want. That is what we do. Some people still believe in God, Mom and apple pie. Some still say please and thank you. Some are even willing to die so others can go on living. Bushido and chivalry are still alive. Honor and esprit de corps flows through our veins.

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@Bryce-you must couldnt pass boot camp for you to make that statement. Drill instructor yelled at you....awww poor baby.

Bryce, great comment! People these days just can't see that the last war for freedom was WW2! I've got a nephew who wants to be a marine and I've been saying things to him to try and change his mind. I believe he's starting to listen to me!

Well HandsomeAndTrutful I am glad not everyone believe as you. If they did I would not be able to read this stuff. Well at least not until I learned pashtun.

There are a trillion things worse then being a Marine, well like a pseudo passifist. I am telling you putting flowers in their hair will only get you shot

Dan, you said a mouthful!

Really? My Husband made it into one with no connections! And I know lots and lots more that made it into the other service academies without connections. What BS! You must not have made it in. Oh and these people did not have athletic scholarships.

Exactly, Susan! Cadets DO have to compete to get in, in the form of grades, extracurricular activities, and physical conditioning...to name just a few. Then, there is the competition to obtain an appointment from a congressman, who cannot just hand out an unlimited number of appointments to everyone who asks. My father was a truck driver, yet I was able to obtain an appointment to the USNA...until I failed the physical because of my eyesight...it wasn't perfect, and that's all they were taking at that time.

It is very competitive to get into the service academies. My son got in with no connections, good grades, and a good record. When he found out he might not be able to choose medical school he left, enlisted, and got into medical school through the US Army and now serves happily as a physician.

Maybe it's YOU that's smokin' something. As someone said, it's EXTREMELY competitive to get into the Academies. There is a small % that are automatic ins, BUT you've GOT to have the qualifications - GPA, SAT, a mim. of 2 in-person interviews, etc. Application is not like applying to the in-state college. Sounds like you have a grudge regarding officers.

AMEN !

Usually it's women who have penis envy. You two must REALLY have small dicks.

I hope both of you are very happy together in the men's room.

Allpreazmen and Big Jim,

Back in my day, we called "men" like you MCPs, aka Male Chauvenist PIGS.

You are apparently "men" in gender only. REAL men aren't so stupid.

So in other words, a woman with leadership qualities should be denied the training to bring these qualities forward because men can't keep it in their pants. A leader who can not control themselves is not a leader.

Oh, I see, if we don't women to be raped we should remove them from men's presence because men are thoughtless animals with no self-control.

You do realize that's exactly the same reasoning behind the Talibans' - and every other fundamentalist Muslim out there - reasoning to beat, stone, acid attack and decapitate women into wearing burqas, right?

Joe,

And just what century are YOU living in? This IS the 21st Century, not the neatherthal age. Prehaps you and the rest need to GROW UP and realize that women belong ANYWHERE THEY WANT TO BE, regardless of the idiots of the male gender who think otherwise. REAL men know and acknowledge women equality. Fake men don't.

Ladies, if you haven't noticed men are different than women. Human nature will not be trumped by any conflation of social or political correctness or any law passed by any legislative body. It does not take a rocket scientist to divine this. By the way, the service academies are supposed to be training combat leaders. Women are not combat leaders and no training can make it so. No number of women simultaneously and furiously jumping up and down and screaming at the top of their lungs can make it so. The mixing of women into the regular military is a failed experiement. It should be immediately abandoned.

Joe,

Like I said, you seriously need to GROW UP and come into the 21st Century instead of living as a neatherthal. Women are exactly where they should be and should have been and WILL BE regardless of you or those like you. It's about time you acknowledge that women ARE and will ALWAYS be your equal, and in some incidents, your better. Yes, there are physical differences, but BIG FRIGGIN' DEAL! Get OVER it. And yes, the academies ARE training LEADERS and guess what?? That INCLUDES WOMEN.

Now, whether YOU like it or now, dinosaurs like you ARE thankfully becoming EXTINCT Oh, and guess what? I'm 57 and have a 22 year old DAUGHTER whom I've taught that she can do ANYTHING she wants as long as she had the ability and ambition to do it. And if that includes the miltiary, then so be it. She's already done JTROC in fact. Oh, and guess what? Her grandfather, a WWII POW would tell her to GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!

So, you and others like you really need to grow up. The world is leaving you behind, thank God!

Lady Cat wrote "So in other words, a woman with leadership qualities should be denied the training to bring these qualities forward because men can't keep it in their pants."

Why do women but not men need special protection ? Are they receiving different leadership training?

Men unable to pass the male physical fitness test yet able to pass the female physical fitness test are denied access to military training. Why?

I guess we could do like the Arabs do in a co-ed military. No alcohol, and the women have to wear sacks over their bodies so the weak willed men won't be tempted!!

Vincent

REAL men don't have a problem with women and equality.

Fake men or wanttabes do. They have to compensate for their shortcomings.

Which are you?

Women want "equality" when they think "equality" will do them some good and then they want to be treated like women when they think the "equality" gambit won't work so well for them and special "woman" treatment is called for. This folks is the reality of modern day social and political life. Nothing much good has or will come of it.

Joe,

Like I said, REAL men have no problem with knowing that women ARE equal.

Fake men, like you and those like you, are the problem. You keep trying to compensate for your shortcomings but it simply doesn't work.

Prehaps it's because you haven't evolved into intelligenent human beings yet.

I agree - 100% Sargeantfloyd!!!

And we shouldn't scorn and punish pedophiles either, eh? After all, what are their mothers doing dressing those kids to look so cute. I notice you are pretty fast and loose with the facts of the cases in the article. Is a young woman at a military academy "dressing provocatively" or is she in a uniform? How do you know anyone was "leading men on"? whatever that means. Who said anything about "having sex". The article is about RAPE which is NOT the same thing as "having sex".

Because the drunk driver is the one committing the crime and the raped woman is a victim of a crime?

But then again, expecting basic common sense and human decency from a person - and I am using the term "person" very loosely in your case - who apparently thinks that men are absolutely incapable of exercising self-control and NOT RAPING helpless women is apparently too much.

dressing provocatively (while she is 100% sober), leading men on, and then having sex in her druken state.

Uh, dressing provocatively is a reason to be raped? Are you REALLY that stupid and a PIG on top of it????????????????????????????

JKLD wrote "Uh, dressing provocatively is a reason to be raped?"

No, dressing provocatively is just presentation of a woman's sexual assets to hoards of men and woman that don't even know her. With this hostile environment to men, I feel like saying "nice tits" to the next woman that perks them up with a push-up bra and provides a window of cleavage. To a man, such a display at work or even the grocery store is sexual harassment if he is expected to suppress staring or making a comment.

Vincent,

And what rock did YOU slther out from under? You're saying that a woman can't wear whatever she chooses because a man is SO IGNORANT that he deems her willing to be raped?

How IGNORANT AND SICK are you anyway?

This IS the 21st Century. Prehaps neantherthals like yourself need to evolve into intelligent human beings and then come into the civilized world with the rest of the real people. REAL men don't have a problem with women. Only fake ignorant neanderthals who haven't evolved yet do.

Come back when you evolve into something with intelligence and then we can have an intelligent conversation.

Alright, Vincent. Better throw on my hijaab because YOU can't keep it in your pants.

The women thought they were "troops" too, until their fellow "troops" turned on them. Too bad some people would rather not have to hear negative news just because it is about "the troops" but.."News is what somebody somewhere is trying to suppress. The rest is advertising."

To "the anti-lib" Well stated! It's all about MONEY! She has accepted NO responsibility for her actions.

Truly the words of a man!

Truly the words of truth!

Vegains,

It's the words of a fake man, not a real one. REAL men know better than to be that stupid.

Agreed and Disagreed. Rape is a big damn deal. I'm in the Air Force myself and the sexual assault prevention program has been a hot item for our training. But this situation is being stupidly mishandled by people that the American public tend to hold to the highest standards in our society. We have ten alleged rape victims here suing the United States Government over a criminal act and nobody's saying anything about whether they got the police involved or did anything to report they were victims of a CRIME. Instead this is a case of ten people trying to make money off their misfortune - it sucks for them but since they can obviously find the fortitude to do something about being raped but choose not to put the perpetrators behind bars is quite alarming, don't you think?

I didn't know there's a limited amount of outrage to go around and we can only be outraged about the raped children or the raped women, but not about both at the same time.

Again was she force to do all the above NO NO NO, women do what they want to do when they want to do then when thing don't workout the way they want it to they flip the scrip and want, demand, and get special consideration, WHY because they are a women and they simply can!

Red, very funny.

Sounds like a pattern to me drunk, laid, bitch, drunk, laid ,bitch. If I got to drunk to remember I got laid I would bitch to.

Awwww, look at this, a bunch of potential rapists egging each other on. You're so cute guys. I hope your dicks get burned off.