
Eric Risberg / AP
Customers line up for one final meal at the the 100-year-old Sam Wo restaurant in San Francisco on Friday.
SAN FRANCISCO -- Heartbroken customers lined up for meal at a closing San Francisco institution — a 100-year-old Chinese restaurant once known for having "the world's rudest waiter." Diners of decades past say he would verbally abuse patrons, slam down dishes, and chastise complainers.
Sam Wo, a Chinatown hole-in-the-wall that typified the kind of ethnic eateries for which the city's culinary scene was lauded before it became a trendy haven for foodies, planned to serve its last customers late Friday and into early Saturday.
David Ho, a descendent of one of the restaurant's original owners, decided to shut down after officials demanded extensive health and safety upgrades.
On Friday, saddened patrons lined down the block to get a seat at one of the eight lunch tables and to mourn the loss of another San Francisco institution over bowls of won ton soup.
"I know change is good, but sometimes you want to hold onto the happy memories," said customer Darlene Lee, 71, who had been coming to the restaurant for 60 years and said its inexpensive fare was comfort food that reminded her of going home.
For those who did not grow up dining at Sam Wo, it became a cultural mainstay in the 1970s through reports by the late San Francisco Chronicle columnist Herb Caen and the "Tales of the City" novels of Armistead Maupin.
Both men immortalized the restaurant by writing about the antics of Edsel Ford Fung, the waiter who was known for verbally abusing patrons and slamming dishes on tables.
"The Soup Nazi is the Dalai Lama compared to Edsel Ford Fung," said longtime patron Sam Begler, as he tucked into pork rolls and chow mein. "He is the Don Rickles of restaurants."

Eric Risberg / AP
Darlene Lee, 71, looks out the window after ordering lunch one last time from waitress Fanny He, right, at the Sam Wo restaurant in San Francisco on Friday.
Fung died in 1984 at age 57, but for a long time a sign listing the restaurant's house rules maintained his gruff demeanor. Among its warnings: "No Booze ... No Jive, No Coffee, Milk, Soft Drinks, Fortune Cookies."
Begler, a caterer who had been dining at Sam Wo since 1976, recalled how Fung would refuse to serve people he didn't like the looks of and chastise customers who dared to complain when they were brought the wrong dishes. It was never quite clear whether his crustiness was genuine or an act, but it was always an experience, especially for locals who wandered in to take advantage of the restaurant's 3 a.m. closing time.
Another devoted customer who showed up to savor the last-day atmosphere, Michael Lyons, said it seemed odd for city inspectors to crack down on Sam Wo's managers now for failing to institute modern food safety techniques, when the restaurant's old-fashioned methods, such as chopping and preparing meat dishes on a wood table near the front door, was part of its charm.
"It's always been a litmus test in a new relationship," Lyons said about people he took to the restaurant. "If they can appreciate the humble character of a place like this, they passed the test."


Seriously? People actually line-up at a restaurant to be verbally abused? And then pay for it? Why? I do not understand some people. I have walked out of restaurants for seeing servers abuse patrons; and if the restaurant or other business has a customer service number, I do call to let the corporate office know of what I saw. I am a Walmart employee as a sales floor associate; I do know about the difficulties involved in customer service.
@James,
I sleep better at night knowing people like yourself share our country.
I guess you won't be going to Peter Luger's any time soon.
well considering people in SF are known in general to be some of the rudest and most judgmental people anyway, it doesnt surprise me. what also doesnt surprise me is that just because something is iconic, despite it having numerous health and safety issues, san franciscans still back it. that city is so backwards.
Yech James...Please stay in Walmart, that's where you belong. You are NOT the type of patron I'd want in my place, ever.
James.........do not go to Durgin Park in Boston either......just dine at that wonderful lunch counter in WMT where you can get some respect..........and reallllly good food toooo
James,
what a tight-Ass! Did you walk out of the Circus as a child when the lions roared?
I agree James. You do not insult the customer, EVER.
I would never go to a place that does.
Having grown up in San Francisco for most of my younger life [I'm now 70 y/o], I recall reading articles in the San Francisco Chronicle about this guy....this place.
It had nothing to do with being just a rude guy, and everything to do with his "performance"....and yes, it WAS a performance...and nightly. The food was excellent, and had it not been, this establishment wound't have survived all these years. This was more about going to a play, having a meal, and watching [or being a part of] the performance. For those of you that just can't seem to grasp the difference......it's your loss [although you won't realize it]. It's a bit like having a sense of humor.....Everyone "claims to have it, but....LOL!!...... that is sooooo not true. Oh, well..... time marches on. Many, if not most of you, will be quite content [actually look forward] to spending your time in your quiet, banal "comfort zone" at Walmart [or similar], but for a few you...... this will be a loss.
Viva la difference!!!
Yep, for some people, real life passes over their heads without their realizing it, let alone seeing it.
and I have walked out seeing spoiled brats abuse staff...point being what?
Well James, some people are less into "self" and can take a bit of chiding from time to time.
Perhaps you may want to see a doctor about having that burr removed from your nether regions.
James, do yourself and everyone a favor, by staying at Wal-Mart!!! ~ You deserve one another!!! ~ BTW, you do vote RepubliCON, right??? (Thought so!!!) ~ LOL!!!
Doc
"No soup for you!"
If we are judging from Wal Mart customer service, then I guess not much is expected.
Unbelievable, some clueless walmart schmuck from bum f#@% egypt thinks he has an opinion about Sam Wo's. If you don't like San Francisco, stay away, we don't need or want you around. Keep eating that midwestern or confederate garbage you call food.
While never having dined there I have been to Dick's Last resort in San Antonio. Getting insulted is part of the fun. And it does not surprise me that San Fran-ass-co is doing this. Bet that some bastrurd in the health dept is taking a pay off from someone else wanting that location? Or that a competitor is pissed because they cannot compete. Sounds like they have been doing the same things since they opened. Was there ever a major plague from their practices? Bet not. But now maybe because Californians are such spoiled pampered candy assed wussies who have to be sheltered less they get cancer from everything. DOn't like the looks of the place - don't friggin eat there! When I was growing up a sandwhich on white bread was not just food. It was what kids playing outside washed their hands with! Because our moms did not want us tracking dirt in the house. But now oh nooo, yuppie pukes are such sissies that they carry wipes everywhere and that is why they get sick. They never developed any natural immunity. Spoiled brats.
James Edward Grimes Jr just stick to the great walmart fare macdonalds. Suits your needs just fine.
James Edward Grimes,
Walmart? Right. Where there is no customer service whatsoever. I guess that makes you an expert. Oh, and the guy died a long time ago, (read the frikin article) so, I am sure the service there was probably like any other restaurant.
James
There was a restaurant in Coney Island, Brooklyn named after one of the owners, Stella's. It was operated by her and her husband. The building was old as were the verbally sparring couple who cooked and argued incessantly throughout the day and night. We, who frequented the establishment, knew what Stella's was all about. Great food, even greater prices, and the feeling of being in Stella's home. Like being in your Italian Aunt Marina's home kitchen listening to her scream at her kids, husband, or anyone else who happened to wander into her domain while she was creating her culinary masterpieces telling you to set the table, wash your hands, call the kids in, etc. These kinds of things no longer happen so I don't expect you James, to understand. That's not to say that all Italian's who cook also scream. Sometimes people of limited understanding of specific cultural backgrounds, just sometimes like the sharing of one's cultural backgrounds with the curious is a good thing - a fun thing if you will. If you think with a Walmart brain then you will get a Walmart life. I doubt anything I say, or anyone else says in defense of cultural differences and this Chinese restaurant will make the slightest impact on your thought processes when it comes to this restaurant's history. You, James, need to stay far, far away from these establishments and let those of us who do understand the differences between cultures enjoy it. Note: Stella's had a fire that devastated the place to the point that the now elderly couple had no interest in repairing, so they opted to retire and not reopen. No more yelling across the stove for more oregano or olive oil. And no more delicious low priced meals with some of the greatest atmosphere for dining I and my husband had ever experienced.
So here's the easy thing for the new generation. If you don't like something, don't comp[lain and expect them to chance their ways, just stay in Walmart and out of the domain that so offends you. NO rocket science here.
I think somebody must really dislike "James Edward Grimes Jr" and hijacked his identity or he's pretty anal. Anyway, ... I agree with the other James that Dick's Last Resort in San Antonio is a blast.
Ahhh...Dick's Last Resort! A group of friends and I went to the one in San Diego. The ladies' man of the group, who could get just about any woman he wanted, flirted with the waitress. She came back and dumped a bucket of ice on his head. I think she got about $100 in tips from us!
We are not cookie cutter people. (I keep saying that, no one seems to hear it.) Some folks have a sense of humor, some--not so much. Performance art--beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For such a small restaurant, its "atmosphere" was part of its charm and bread and butter. People paid to enjoy the show. If you weren't in on the performance idea, you might be offended; but it was more of a local in-the-know kind of experience. Some folks enjoy it, some don't. I don't like tear-jerker movies, so I don't watch them. That doesn't mean that other people don't like them. We all make our own choices about our lives.
Too bad that the city didn't try to work with the owners to find a way to keep it all together. (I don't believe the article noted that it did.) It's one more colorful aspect of our world and culture being forced out. The RULES must be followed. (No, I don't want to see anyone sick, but again, the article did not note if anyone had ever been food poisoned. I think it would have been noted.) I'll bet it wasn't the regular patrons, if any, who complained to the city.
All you people dissing on James can go phuk yourself. So he works at Walmart, that makes any of you miserable bags of puke better than him?
What is it with you people dissing San Francisco? Unless you've actually lived in The City you are not in a position to cast aspersions on those who do. San Francisco happens to be a place of warm, welcoming, friendly, accepting people. (They would even welcome YOU, rockmebritney and james171.) Of course, as with any place on earth, there are those with a bad attitude or simply a mean disposition. You can find those anywhere. And Frisco has its share of 'bad apples' as well. But, overall, it is populated with people who are anything but rude and judgmental. And, from an objective perspective, your comments make you seem far more judgmental and rude than most of the people of San Francisco.
The only city in the world with 'built in air conditioning' and the only mobile landmark in the nation, a city with no cemetaries within the city limits. From Golden Gate Park to Alcatraz Island (or Pelican Island in American translation) to Golden Gate Bridge, to the San Francisco Cable Cars with their clanging, jangling bells, San Francisco is a city unique unto itself. And, just because you don't understand it doesn't make it inherently wrong. It just means you don't understand it. And your lack of understanding does not justify castigating the city and her people. Visit sometime. Spend a month discovering what it's really all about. Unless you are just determined to be hateful about the city, if you are honest, you'll find it difficult to leave.
"Numerous health and safety issues? Actually, the required upgrades were not numerous, only major and quite expensive. And backwards? Well, if backwards means being open and accepting, a veritable model of the precepts put forth in the original charter for the nation, then, okay. I'll take that kind of backwards over just about any other major metropolitan city in the world. Open heart. Open arms. Open minded. WOW! What a concept!
It's a multicultural world we live in...good or bad, this nation is never going back to the time of one people...one culture...one segment of society that has all the power and money. All the James of the world need to hide in their Walmarts and let the rest of us progress into our changing nation.
Did anyone stop to think, WHY did people come to the restaurant KNOWING there is a nasty waiter? Did anyone think he may have been the draw? If the place had that reputation, why would anyone patronize them? It's not like they were a 24 Hour rest stop. They were a local restaurant with a steady clientele. They just wanted to see Charlie Chan the wailing waiter go bananas! He may have gotten Jack S**t for tips, but the novelty was there! (Take an episode of "Sienfeld" with the "soup guy", for example.) They stayed in business long enough to retire in these times. They closed because of "regulations". Government keeps making tighter regulations for the small mom & pop, but for big business? Regulations, what regulations? Regulations make buying out the small businessman easier for big business, who doesn't have to comply... With regulations. See how easy Romney got rich?! Corporations are people, too, my friend! HAH!! If that ***hole said that to my face, I'd hit him so hard his five draft dodging sons would feel it.
By the way, customer service at WalMart? Please, tell me which one so I can go on record stating I'm aware of a WalMart that HAS customer service.
I remember going to this place as a little girl. Yes, the waiter was rude, but it was expected. When people traveled to SF, it was just one of those places you had to go to and one of those waiters you had to get abused by. If anyone saw the Seinfeld soup Nazi episode, I'm sure it made you laugh. That's what this experience was. You just couldn't help but want to see what this guy would do next.
In 100 more years maybe S.F. will have the flare of the vaunted city of Hayward.
The character of a city is a tapestry of is citizens, but As the noose tightens who can afford character.
I ate at Sam Wo's for years when I lived iand worked in Baghdad-by-the-Bay from the 60's to the early 90's. Edsel Ford Fong was a trip to watch but was hardly unique. Ask anyone who ever ate at one of resterauter and suspected arsonist Juanita's many bistros over the years. As one who lived and worked there, I echo wordsmith's piece and note that the City has ALWAYS been a haven for weirdos and eccentrics of all stripes going back to Emperor Norton I, Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico. As for the dissing of my home city, I think my Athenian sister-in-law said it best,
"Leaving San Francisco is like getting in a Time Machine. The farther away you get FROM S.F., the farther back in time you go."
As for James Grimes the original poster, I would echo the late, great Edsel Ford Fong by saying,
"STUPID GWAILOH, Get Out of My restaurant.
My thanks to Sam Wo's for decades of some of the best Chinese food IN Chinatown and one of the best free shows in town.
Brother Ishmael
Credo quia absurdum
ECV
I wonder if the rude waiter ever got his ass kicked. Depending on how rude he got, I would knock him out right there. I popped a condescending @hole in the nose, right over the counter at a sandwich place. Boy was he shocked and surprised!
"Walmart? Right. Where there is no customer service whatsoever."
Actually, I've never had a problem with Walmart's customer service - I would rate it better than most.
I have to laugh when I see people disparage Walmart - They self-identify themselves as overpaid union workers.
Personally, I laugh all the way to the bank with my estimated $2,500 per year in savings by shopping at Walmart - pays for a nice vacation each year. Their motto "Save money, live better" is a fact.
hmmm james, I can go to the place and get a show with my meal (IMO that's what it was a show) it was funny ask for this chicken dish and we got this beef dish and told to eat it and shut up--good food and he was right
now walmart----you say you call customer service on rude people---do you call it on your own company? examples---one: I was working with a client in with walker and the day that I came to her house was on Mondays we went to the local Walmart could never get a power chair was told by the greeter "well, if you would come on another day instead of Mondays you would have a chair."
two: same walmart was again told that the greeter could not go get the power chair from the other side because that was too far for her to walk we needed to do it.
three: different walmart I asked where something was and got told oh its over by the pharmacy somewhere I am too busy to help you I have to put away these things
four: same walmart I asked if they had any more skim milk in the back (I could see it from the door) was told NO WE DON"T LADY only whats on the shelves when I said I can see it in the back through the door---was told oh well to bad I'm not going to go get it thats somebodies job not mine
five:same walmart I brought my own cloth bags and the lady rolled her eyes at me and said god I hate these bags they take so long to set up why cant you use the plastic bags, when I gave my reply she she sheese why worry about the planet you weird people
Wal-mart Has RUINED RUINED this country and if sam walton saw what was happening in his stores he would fire everybody and close them down---walmart was met to bring things to small towns that they could not get other wise without having to go miles to get it. They were supposed to be friendly and nice, they were supposed to have American Made products now you are lucky to find an american made product there.
Do I shop there? Only because I am forced to If I did not have to drive another 60 miles to get somewhere else on top of the 30 I drive just to get to walmart I would
so yea stay at walmart because they have such great customer service
James Edward Grimes, there is performance and there's also the possibility of Mr. Fung being the forerunner and West Coast equivalent of the Soup Nazi. "NO CHINESE FOR YOU!"
I think what happened here may have been what is symptomatic of San Francisco lately. It's too busy legislating health morality. These same people that would be angry at some Christians for abusing their position in government are doing much the same thing under the guise of safety.
thewordsmith - thanks, but i lived in SF for MANY years. the only thing i got from people was that i was a murderer because i eat meat, a polluter because i drove a car, and a jerk in general because i didnt ride my bike everywhere. i couldnt even walk out my front door without someone asking me what my stance was on some uninteresting political issue that they read about in their vegan news. san franciscans have taken liberal around so far they are actually conservative.
I have given up a long time ago wondering about folks who pay to get abused or put up with it. I am not sure if it s a 'lore but refusing to serve based on looks, should have sent him packing to some remote island.
I'm going to defend James just to tick everyone off. So what if I nearly got killed by a pallet being pulled in a rush to get morning shoppers diapers at 10 cents off per box.
Wait! Come to think of it, I change my mind! James is an idiot! James should be taken out back and beaten within an inch of his measly life!
Then again, maybe that's a bit harsh. Perhaps James should be given a fund to get a better education and improve his lot. Maybe THEN he will view the world as I do.
You know, f^ck James! If he can't figure out how to make his own life better than to h*ll with him! He can rot in his miserable little stew of a job!
OK, OK. Maybe that's too much. James, I love you! Will you have my kids?
What, no reply James! What is up with that? You don't even call me? Well you can go to h%ll!
No, I take it back! James, I love you!
Forever yours,
Confused about James.
@mycorner. There's no WAY you would ever get a seat looking like you do. You'd just have to look in from the outside, like some sad puppy in the rain. Somehow I picture your life is pretty much like that all the time.
@ those who just don't understand the draw of this kind of place
Don't you get that it's a joke served up with the meal? You can't take it personally because it's pretty fairly heaped on everyone. It's ironic. The customer is always wrong here. And actually it's refreshing when you match it against all those places where the staff is required to say things like, 'have a nice day' but really they're thinking 'now go f*ck yourself', or at least that's how they say 'have a nice day'.
"We're so happy to serve you, mr. '****'" Yeah, right!
And never mind the fact that a lot of customers are dicks. Really, has anyone ever worked retail? Or better yet, would any adult give up their job to work at McDonald's or Wendy's if it paid the same? Why not? That's right, because customers suck. Not all of them, but enough to make me wonder why every place doesn't throw people out the door as soon as they walk in.
And for all those who don't get the joke, I am dying to open a place up where the food is outstanding but if you posted something like, 'I don't get it' on this board the waiter would just punch you in the nose or kick you in the balls. You really need that.
James Edward Grimes: Everyone is happy that you have a job at Wal*Mart. However if many of us could vote.... there would be no Wal*Mart at all. We would go back 30 years to the days when Mom and Pop stores and restaurants existed and it was possible to get good service and good food from knowledgeable sincere people and we could form good friendships with our neighbors and fellow-town people at the same time. My guess is that you are too young to remember those days so you have no idea what you have missed. Enjoy your low-paying, poor benefit job and be thankful you have it for what it is worth.
@dirtydog
you did pop me in the nose and yes, I was surprised. But where you surprised when your wife got pregnant even though you're shooting blanks? Guess who's his daddy? Yeah, that's right! Subway sandwich boy!
"James, do yourself and everyone a favor, by staying at Wal-Mart!!! ~ You deserve one another!!! ~ BTW, you do vote RepubliCON, right??? (Thought so!!!)"
Why do you Liberals always have to bring politics into an article that has nothing to do with politics? Can you ever stay away from it Doc? As for the restraunt, the theme of it is to be rude. If you don't like it being rude, eat somewhere else. I don't like it when restraunt's are rude when that's not the intention of the restraunt. I went to a McDonald's one time and the people there were super rude.
It's called "atmosphere" and it's not for everyone, but for the people who do like it, it's a shame to see your favorite eateries fade away.
There is an amazing restaurant here in Memphis called "The Rendezvous." They server some of the best ribs on the planet. Part of the experience is the no-nonsense wait staff. Instead of "May I take your order, sir," you'll get "Whacha want? Come on now, speak up!"
They are efficient and serve amazing food, and the charm of the atmosphere is just an added bonus.
So very sorry to see this fabulous icon closing. This was where my friends and I (after the 2:00 AM bar closing) often found the last bit of entertainment for the evening. Edsel was the best ("just bring us somethng interesting Edsel")! The food was always good (no matter what you might end up with). If you consider this "just a Chinese restaurant," you are way off the mark. It was an institution, a nightly performance art piece, and a celebration of the bizarre type of hospitality that one can find only in cities like San Francisco. BTW, if not Sam Wo's, it was La Rondalla for great Mexican food in the very late hours. Good-bye Sam Wo, you were great!
I guess this restaurant must have done something right to stay in business for 100 years. This sarcastic waiter must have been more of a sideshow act if people lined up down the street just to get 'abused'. Wish I could have eaten there!
Did humans evolve to live in a sterile environment? Does a specie become extinct when its environment is destroyed? Is common sense common.
Keep it up roy, I enjoy reading thoughtful posts, even though they are like a beautiful melody being played in a boiler factory.
@rockmebritney, are you sure you weren't living in the Fox Network cartoon San Francisco, where trained attack Communists hurl themselves at your car and monitor you eating habits?
This is not the San Francisco that most of us know, where cars ride proud and free (though the hills are hell on brake systems), most street people only ask for money, and this very afternoon, I am going to a barbecue where meat is likely to be on the menu. In short, it is a major urban area, and even has Republicans. Why, I just talked to one today. He said he saw the biggest raccoon ever in his garden.
When you find people to be unfriendly, it's possible that they have their reasons.
@ at Grimes...as a restaurant owner.....I have a strict policy...this is my business...I run it as I like...the customer does not tell me how to do things....if you have a complaint, or don't like it....there's the door........I'm slammin busy all the time, and people always leave happy.
the comment from the person who said they'd go back 30 years and vote to keep walmart out. The fact is, walmart is voted on every day, and if people went elsewhere and spent their dollars, walmart would roll up and go out of business. But the fact is, they don't...they'd rather pay less money for the same goods than pay exhorbiant prices to a mom and pop. Back to the article...some people like to be insulted, some don't. Its a shame that this restaurant is closing, and if business was so good they wouldn't have an issue updating their equipment to handle the new health codes.
Hey everyone James Grimes works at Wal-Mart...! "ooo-ooo-ooo, everyone beats on their chest, slaps each other on the a$$ and shakes the cage."
Liberals are so silly.
TwistedFister - that was funny...
By the way, I went into that restaurant once - in 1966. As my friend and I looked at the menus, that were sort of grime encrusted, we noticed cockroaches crawling on the table, and the wall next to the table. As we left without ordering anything, we could hear someone yelling in the background.
Whatever, james is just as much a dick as militant walmart hating vegans who want to ban circumcision.
The irony of rude people complaining about other people being rude!
Some folks think they are king for the day just cause they are throwing a buck down on the table. I prefer to eat where the food is good enough that they don't have to kiss peoples A$$ to get them to eat there. I also prefer places where you get up off your butt and get your own food.
Call me crazy but I think I'd keep that tid-bit of information to myself.
"You go home now, fatboy! You been here four hour! You frighten my wife! You eat more than killer whale! Sign say 'All you can eat' not 'You eat all'!"
--John Pinette, a stand-up comedian from his skit about a Chinese buffet.
Rudeness and slamming dishes on the table used to be the standard ops procedure In certain SF restaurants. It was sort of like a contest between you and the waiter to see how much crap you could take compared to how much you really wanted to eat their acclaimed food. It also seemed to make the chef work harder to keep the customers coming in spite of the faux arrogance of the waiters. However, if you were a repeat customer, you could gain a certain status that accorded you a modicum of respect. But newcomers and tourists, katy bar the door.
I work at a grocery store, and if I ever got caught being harasive to customers, I'd be a goner. I have seen it happen before. James I completely understand you. And for the people hating on James, you probably do not have the balls to work in customer service related enviroments. I know it is hard sometimes and anybody who hasn't worked retail or grocery. BACK OFF!
he's clearly gay...
James: There is so much of this story you fail to grasp. It is easy to see how you found your niche at a WalMart. The "depth" of your life experiences seem to be on display for all to aspire as a WalMart employee. You, like most, are blind to the world around you because you can't see the forest for the trees.
Yes, currently work for Walmart, but am going to school and am trying to improve my lot in life. In the mean time, I am working a customer service job, and in general, do not have complaints about others that work customer service. However, there are those, as with any job, that do not get the idea behind "customer service" and are rude--even some within Walmart--and they draw my ire because of that. In general, all it takes is a conversation with a CSM; but sometimes it takes a call to 1800-Whatever and grab the attention of the corporate office to improve things. Even Walmart has a call center to take in calls such as this (1-800-Walmart).
Folks, you can disagree with someone without attacking them personally. It's a rule:
about that, Eugene Hulbert jr, SalMonella, you're each suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Its sad to see a landmark anywhere close, but if inspectors did not require modern hygiene methods in food preparation, and a later food poisoning or contamination event occurred, you know people would be screaming about lousy government, lazy inspectors and fat cat public unions. There are ways to prepare food in view of the customers without playing russian roulette with e coli.
How many people got sick at this restaurant? I would say less then one of the big chain fast food places that have modern so call up to date standards. Any one for phlegm sweet tea? We are loosing the unique individual business and gaining corporate cookie cutter mass marketing money makers.
If this place has been around for 100 years and its known for rude, so be it. It apparently hasn't killed customers and the food must be good. I'd rather have this then a stamped out pink slime special from a corporate big brother restaurant.
Do you have inside information on what the health and safety regulations were? If not, then your being highly presumptuous in thinking you know what the problems were.
I owned a restaurant and received 100% on my inspections from the state inspections department. I know what is needed and know what is over kill in food safety. I passed a food safe program. Many food preparation safety standards depend on personal pride and common sense. You can't force food safety by more and more expensive equipment when you have poorly trained low paid food workers. The chain restaurants seem to get away with safety problems by marketing spin control when a problem happens. The small guy doesn't have a legal department on staff to defend themselves. If you want good local business support the local guy, otherwise let big brother tell you what you need.
When Mervyn Silverman became the director of health in San Francisco, one of his first acts was to proclaim that Chinese restaurants could no longer hang Peking ducks in the windows. The fact that Chinese restauranteurs had been hanging ducks while Silverman's ancestors were still living in caves didn't matter. Another loss for gourmands.
If it ain't broke don't fix it. They have been open for 100 years and their cooking methods while not maybe up to what is par for safety now certainly were not killing the SF crowd! Someday everything will just be all corporate and government regulated. This country was built on small business and now those businesses are just dropping left and right. Each small loss like this diminishes the ethnic flavor of our cities little by little and someday there will just be crappy corporate eateries everywhere who do not even cook the food the just reheat it and bring it to your table!
So true, KA. So true in reference to your posts.
Thanks Sue, food service is a tough business. Amassing folks keep trying to start food service businesses
@KA Black
I know what your restaurant is and let me tell you, I got MAD sick there. I threw up EVERYWHERE! I even threw up on my dog's head.
Now I thought it was just something else, you know, you shake a hand and that person's got a cold, you open a door and the handle is icky. So I went back and ordered the SAME dish. You know what happened?
I @!$%# my pants. Right in your restaurant. I asked if someone could offer me something to cover myself but your staff said, 'hey man, take it outside.'
I did, and I puked violently in the parking lot. I even puked on a stray dog. It was awful. I'm glad you went out of business. I was about to go back with the 1/2 off coupon I got in the mail and who knows what could have happened to my insides. The health department likely saved my life!
The eatery's food was more than delicious; it was a nice getaway from the glitz & gild of the city + 'home away from home.' Growing up in Hawaii and frequenting Honolulu's 'Chinatown' and now, Seattle's International District with the fabulous hustle and bustle that only it can offer, is a wonderful experience of cuisine and the Orient.
There is nothing that can take it's place....particularly for the SF patrons who have lost a cultural masterpiece.
My guess, from looking into my crystal ball is this, (since the article was bereft of detail as to what the citations are) They were going to be forced to install $150,000 in fire suppression/sprinklers...... Not a lot of money if you're on the first year of running an operation for 30+ years. But, if the owners were thinking retirement anyway, they were probably of the mindset, let the next owner pay for it, we'll close and move to Boca Raton.....
Here's a link to a story that contains the rest of the story. Yeah, there were some cleanliness issues, but they were easily dealt with by using just a bit of money and training. The real issue is that the City is going try and force them into turning a 100+ year old building into a brand new building with brand new electrical, fire, and HVAC equipment within teh shell of the old building..... Because, well, the contractors in SF need the work....... Because, even though those services have stood the test of time for 100 years that means nothing when you have avaricious codes to be met which were brought forth by the contracting lobby so the Contractors can keep making millions upon hundreds of millions.
Hey "Moving Out" - are you the fat kid in the movie "Stand By Me?" You know, the one that won the eating contest then... Aaaaaaaggghkkk! ;)
Not to worry Sam Wo will be a regular contributor on Fox and Friends
What are you talking about? How does this even remotely have anything to do with the article? Did you have a brain fart or what?
Yep... I can smell it from here!
Not relevant - did you read the article?
It seems karma caught up with Fung at age 57.
really then when is going to catch up with you? That was more rude then Fung ever was
Apparently some of the sensitive people have never been to a comedy club either. Some comedians are known for insulting audience members...You have to be thin skinned and pampered to take it seriously.
Good people sometimes have miserable lives & die young. Bad people sometimes have wonderful lives & live to 90. It's all random. Karma is pretty much disproven on THIS planet.
Seriously? A Chinese restaurant that's been operating for 100 years is shut down by the government because of the way it operates? If something was going to happen due to food preparation techniques, you'd think it would've already happened and the place would've been sued out of business. It's more likely for someone to get sick from a government-inspected and approved location than not. (All of the meat, lettuce, and spinach scares over the past few years for example).
Most likely, some tightassed city official was apparently pissed off, or not paid off.
Sheesh you might think people might catch AIDS or something like that in that place because of their supposed unsafe food preparation
This restaurant was passing inspections up to this point. The food code requires a restaurant to be inspected often. It appears like the problem was the need to meet new higher standards. I question a need to update when the older way is working and has been safe for years. Expensive equipment doesn't mean safe, good training and proper food handling does.
It's all about money. New regs mean more in the pockets of inspectors and politicians.
Okee-Dokee Docw. You REALLY, REALLY need an educational update.
duuug~~Enjoyed your comments! Very well put.
Just go to Wal-mart.
Yeah, where all the ignoramuses eat.
Opportunity knocks.
Karma hunts you down.
Even a casual observation of life on this planet rules out Karma completely.
Destiny finds you and fate finishes you off.
Next, they will be insisting on inspecting your home kitchen to make sure you are doing sanitary food prep.
You laugh, but at the school where I work, when parents bring in outside food for class parties, the rules state that anything homemade is automatically thrown in the trash because home kitchens are not inspected.
But pink slime and crap I wouldn't put on my pet's plate is ok? Makes perfect sense. Payoffs to the lunch contractors. They are the real organized crime in this country. It's also why you pay 7.50 for 50 cents worth of chips and 75 cents worth of something they pass off as cheese and call it nachos at any ballpark or stadium.
Who was laughing seb22? I've seen some of those "home kitchens", as well as some very unsanitary "commercial" ones.
Being force to stop using Road Kill and dead cat for a main course and washing the dishes in something other than urine is tough to give up i guess.
That's a typical redneck response. I expected someone from the backwards region of this country to make s stupid comment like that. "Git er done!!"
Get a sense of humor and chill ...
Gee, Tex, had you actually written something funny, people might laugh........
jim bob. you're apparently a liberal bigot, and exactly what I would expect from the northeast or left coast. If you are located else where; you're just not very smart and easily influenced by the liberal bigot jewish media complex and any shiny objects you encounter.
I guess this is what you are used to eating in Texas so you think that is what was going on at Sam Wo's? It is this type of stereo typing and racist nonsense that makes for ugliness and you need to think about that. Besides you live in Walmart country so I imagine that you are perfectly happy there.
@Fake media propaganda rebuttal - Read a book and get an IQ. I've been stationed/lived all over TX and JimBob was spot on - the state has more low-IQ inbred's than any other state I've been to (all 50). Unless the conversation is about Nascar, country music or professional wrestling no Texan has anything to add. Oh yeah, they DO have lots of theories about how Obama's responsible for the economic meltdown at the tail end of Bush's 8 years. Texas, the most conservative state in the union ALSO has the distinction of being the most polluting state in the union. Go figure...
So, How is that scrapped off Armadillo faring at the Texas eateries.
Jim- And you are making a typical Liberal response, grow up. Fake, just because we got idiots like Jim living up here doesn't mean we are all Liberals. Most of Pennsylvania is Republican, except for Philidelphia and Pittsburg.
Fake media and random P... why are you bringing politics into this? Nobody starting talking about liberals or conservatives except for the two of you.
Some of you guys are so ignorant. The guy who did that stuff passed away a long time ago. The people do not "back it" because they are also rude or they enjoy being chastised, they back it because it'se a 100 year old establishment, that's older than most of the living people in the city. It is an iconic spot for dining and brings back a lot of fond memories to some of the old timers, just from the perspective of ages lost. Times are changing and everything is getting fast paced and much ruder than anything that happened at Sam Wo, just go back to eating McDonalds and rid these blogs of your stupidity, that is all.
and fake media fool always has to get his idiotic comments about jews in too.
What do Jews have to do with an article about Sam Wo's eatery closing? Just because Elena Kagan says at her Senate confirmation hearing (to be appointed a justice on the Supreme Court) that on Christmas Day the Jews go out to eat Chinese food?
If I want to be verbally abused when eating, I sit at the kitchen table.
Good morning stonepipe: You win the comedy prize so far. Good one! =]
Thank you, I must obey the voices in my head.
Kung Fu, POW! Next! WHATTSYA GET, you seve Shredded ASS!
The fried rat wontons with turd dressing were the bomb
Something WONG!
Question is .. can you throw the food back at the employees and break the plates .. and LEAVE NO TIP ....
hahahhh! That should make it a legal reaction.
throwing a tantrum like a toddler, how very enlightened of you
again, the government has to stifle small business in the "worst economy since the great depression." Way to go San Fran......
Safe food what a disgusting liberal idea
I am sure Obama is involved in this somehow.
Ellie, if the food wasn't safe do you think they would be getting enough customers to stay open for a hundred years? If you take a look at the rules, you'll see that alot of them are reasonable, some of them appear like they were written because someone at the health department was having a slow day and decided they might as well write some new regulations so they'd look busy, and the rest were written with the mentality that the only way for anyone to be safe is for them to spend their lives in a sterilized bubble.
seb22, anyone that pays to be verbally abused at a restaurant and calls that entertaining...the idea that they might find food poisoning to be a charming anecdote shouldn't be that shocking.
a.) that was nearly 30 years ago when the guy who did that died, b.) I think you need to look up the definition of anecdote.
Heck of a deal. It sounds like there will be many regular customers who will miss this place. I always liked the Soup Nazi skit on SNL which I think was loosely based on this cafe but hey time marches on and waits for no man.
The soup Nazi skit was based on a restaurant in New York. That why they showed it on Seinfeld. The cheeseburger, cheeseburger, cheeseburger skit also.
The state is our savior.
No.. Cheeses Quist is our savior. Don't use cheeses name in vain.
JimBob- Are you talking about imported cheeses? Like from Israel the "Cheeses of Nazareth" or the Swiss variety of Holey Cheeses?
This thread is getting pretty cheesy.
That was pretty gouda you to say that.
All Hail Cheeses and thank you all for the breath of fresh air.
It's what you serve and how you serve that makes for an iconic and evidently successful business. mainstreams be damned.
The issue is not whether you like the place or not but stifling small business will never give you that choice. If they were doing something wrong then, like Anilof said, the market would have closed them years ago. Let's face it, big government (business) doesn't want the small restaurant(business) to succeed. Bottom line. All hail McDs and Olive Garden!
Seems odd the Health Dept. after all this time and no complaints of health issues due to the food would come in and demand all these upgrades. Maybe someone knows someone who would like to take over the location.
Just say'n
And you know there were no complaints or problem how?
Or maybe someone who didn't realize that this was all part of the restaurant's "charm", complained to a friend who happened to be a friend of a city official.
There will always be someone who think he/she knows everything and is willing to blab. This where govn't is really taking over. Turning its people into rats and sheep.
Because it stayed open a hundred years Rick. DUH!
Time and regulations march on and memories will be soon gone...........Too many places gone, too many friends and soldiers too.
Progress?
I am glad they made the decision to close and not bow to the gubment.
They have been doing it that way for a hundred years and no complaints. Now it's not good enough. Sick Goverment.
Another business succumbs to the food Nazis
Gee, I'll never understand how the world became over populated with our prior food prep practices. So, the food prep moments before the the stuff is cooked is so important. Regardless.
I knew a guy with a Bar-B-Que joint in downtown Dallas, a few years back. He chopped his meat on and old wooden butcher block. Nobody got sick for fifty years. The guy had regular customers such as H.L. Hunt and several Federal Judges. Anyway, the city allowed him to use the practice as long a the butcher block held up. It's called "Grandfathering" and SF should have done it as well.
In the end, after the wooden block finally wore out , he simply through a plastic board and kelp going thil he finally retired.
And you were sounding so intelligent. Right up until that last sentence. They have spell check in here y'know.
American made- You know, it is punks like you in this nation that I absolutely hate. I mean. They guy wrote a great piece, did have a couple spelling problems, but you come along and treat him like horse dung! Get real! I am surprised you have any friends!
I ate in a Chinese restaurant once and vomited for three days afterward. Ever see the way these people live in China?
I had sex with a Chinese girl once..an hour later I was horny again..weird.
and I ate a ball park brand hot dog and puked for week as a child...your point? food poisoning happens, sometimes you catch the stomach flu, how do you know the difference if you eat at all the day the come down ill.
You ever see the way confederates and midwesterners eat, nothing but grease 3 meals a day, it's disgusting.
WTF? Eugene Hulbert jr, it is apparent you have NOT visited the midwest anytime recently. Sushi is quite popular, and midwesterners are far healthier and more educated than the Floridians I have seen wandering central and northern Florida (or "south Georgia," as it could be referred to)... I lived in the midwest until last year, after spending the previous 10 years there, and grease was certainly not on the menu at any eating establishment I visited, with the exception of the predictable McDonalds, which occurs in all 50 states and every country on the globe, for the most part.
Anyone here see the irony in someone using the nic Tarzan7 complaining about having a weak stomach?
"I ate in a Chinese restaurant once and vomited for three days afterward. Ever see the way these people live in China?"
Tarzan7's obviously a bigot who hates asians, here's a recent article and Tarzan7's comment:
Vietnam pleads for help as mystery disease kills 19, sickens 171
Fri Apr 20, 2012
Yes, I'm quite sure it was Karma that forces starving people to eat bugs, NOT hunger. I've been stationed all over the world and eaten bugs, slugs, dogs, snakes, brains, etc... If you're gonna be a whiny wus in public then please change your nic from Tarzan. Although fictional, Tarzan is someone to be admired, not an example of the pathetic...
Looking at your right-wing posts, may I suggest you could do with some travel?
"A mind is like a parachute - it doesn't work unless its open." Frank Zappa
people who live in that town could get todether and donaie the money to fixs it up!
"I had sex with a Chinese girl once..an hour later I was horny again..weird."
LOL. There's nothing weird about it. Asian women are the best.