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Subscribe to RSSA 13-year-old girl was killed and her mother was seriously wounded in a shooting at a housing project in New York City's Harlem early Tuesday, police said, according to NBC New York.
The mother, 44, who was listed in critical condition in a local hospital, told police that the suspect was her 28-year-old son. The man was shot by police during a confrontation outside the building.
The suspect was taken to the hospital with injuries that were not life-threatening. No officers were injured in the exchange.
Police said they responded at 3:27 a.m. Tuesday after receiving a call of a female shot. They found the 13-year-old victim dead at the scene from a gunshot wound to the head.
The girl's mother was taken to Harlem Hospital with multiple gunshot wounds.
A sergeant and his partner saw the gunman running from the apartment building area and confronted him. A chase ensued and the suspect fired at officers, police said. Officers shot back, striking the suspect in the legs and torso.
The suspect was taken into custody and brought to a nearby hospital, where he was listed in serious condition. His weapon was recovered at the scene.
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Hey MSNBC, where is the comment about the races of the shooter and the victims? Oops, I forgot. When it is unsaid it is a given.
Since all involved were of the same race, al and jesse won't be there.
Surely you could come up with a comparison of this shooting to the martin case.
Actually, al and jesse will be there if the cops were white.
Well...if the cops would have taken an hour or two before calling for an ambulance...or perhaps accidentally shooting him in the head while laying on the ground...
I sure do miss the days when shooting at the cops ended up saving the hospital a lot of trouble...especially after killing a 13 year old girl.
I hope both of the Police Officers are place on leave until they learn to shoot better. Now we have to pay for this scums hospital bills and incarceration. Only if they had finished him.
No comparison between this case and the Martin case. The police apprehended the suspect in this case. In the Martin case, an armed adult intentially shot and killed an unarmed minor. In this case, it looks like an armed man shot and killed an unarmed teenager as well. Whether intentional or not makes no difference. However, in this case, the police intervened.
Thinker - perhaps one day you'll live up to your name.
Friskie - I was just trying to see why MSNBC stirs up the racial slants on everything. As of yet MSNBC hasn't put an article about a shooting in Georgia where two guys tried robbing a granny and shot at her but she shot back, hitting one in the chest and the other fled. Granny is one race but "looks white" while the would-be robbers are not. This article won't make it onto MSNBC because the minorities started the crimes - robbery and assault with deadly weapons.
How does an unarmed man shoot and kill and unarmed teenager. That poor mother, this stuff has to stop. We are not the wild west anymore, and I agree, it is too bad the police didn't shoot a little more on target. What is wrong with people? Don't bring color into it, a mother just watched her baby die at the hands of some evil creep. Oh no, worse, I just read on down it may be her own son. What?
black on black crime is not racially motivated no news here. As for trevon I will be watching all you chimp-out when Zimmerman is AQUITTED. I love it when jessie and sharpton get excited.
The shooter was a "White Black Man". Police are still continuing their investigation....
Ugh. A kid is dead, a mother is shot and people are dwelling on trying to connect this to the the Martin case. Last time i checked we are all members of the human race and if we want to be above the behavior of those who would obsess on skin color and try to put the racial twist on everything, we should be mourning the death of the child, hope for a speedy recovery of the mother and the shooter brought to justice. I personally have no desire to lower myself to the level of Al Sharpton or Mr. Jackson.
Then tell ag holder and obammy to QUIT this race baiting. The white house is causing more separation and harm than good can you not see it. It is written in black and white.
@Sheila - Harlem was never the wild west. Just saying
Nissan
Perhaps you will live up to his name and THINK. The question is why weren't the ethnicity of everyone involved listed like they are when it is White on Black? The ONLY connection to the Sanford story is where the news is being read and the FACT that MSNBC chooses which story to report ethnicity. Apparently they choose to report solely based on when it is White on Black.
Would it be WRONG for everyone to presume the race of the victims and officers involved as being black because it is HARLEM? Does it make us racist for that presumption? Lacking reporting I guess that makes us racist because we know HARLEM is a reflection of America and there are only 14% Blacks living there. (SARCASM in case you don't get it)
The race wasn't reported because it had nothing to do with the situation, you morons! In the Martin case a "white" male called police reporting a suspicious individual. His suspicion was because the kid was black. Zimmerman is the one who made it a racial issue. You are trying to connect dots on two separate pages of your coloring book. Get over it, race was a driving factor in what Zimmerman did, and had absolutely nothing to do with this situation.
How do you think you deserve the moniker of "the thinker?"
I think people got it completely wrong and backwards when they mention crimes committed by Black Americans in response to the Trayvon Martin case and Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's reaction to that case.
The vast majority of crimes Black Americans commit is done by criminals who're not following any kind of ideology. In other words, they're random acts which are not organized or part of a political movement by Black Americans.
On the other hand, when White Americans commit a crime against Blacks it's usually the result of a racist ideology that has been part of the US since its beginning and continues to this day.
Racism has been institutionalized in this country and as such it can be considered organized crime. That's how the US has become to be one of the most segregated countries in the world.
And let me please remind you what racism is: Racism is the notion that a certain race is BIOLOGICALLY AND INTELLECTUALLY inferior to others.
Blacks might be guilty of a crime, or being too angry, or even discriminating against others but Black American have never pretended to be biologically or intellectually superior to anyone.
That's why many White Americans feel a need to separete themselves or get rid of Black Americans because either they view them as inferior and/or don't want to mix with Blacks and therefore "denegrate" the White genetic pool.
Get it now?
Prove it.
No, the media, Al and Jesse made it a racial issue.
And your assumptions are doing anything different?
So you're a psychic? Zimmerman has confided to you information he hasn't to anyone else? Which one, please, we all want to know how you got all these facts.
You mean this article?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47153033
Up well before you posted your tirade. That story simply hasn't made it to the top because it's not something that's trending.
Any and all news stations make money, news sites on the web as well. Racism is alive and well, and selling. Add to that the talk of amnesty for votes, and all here can remember seeing the number of comments posted to the Zimmerman case vs. any other articles; thousands vs. hundreds so it does appear that race baiting works well because Americans still see much as being race based.
People make their mortgage payments, utilities all the way up to buying vacation properties and much more writing for a living, reporting news. If an article about the plight of whales gets a few comments while something such as Zimmerman gets thousands, then it is clear that people want Zimmerman and news stories that are similar. Would you sit back and let another news agency get the thousands paying attention or the few paying attention? Of course, these numbers are multiplied greatly in reality but if going by internet postings it's still the smaller yet accurate picture, hence we're talking millions.
It's easy to blame a news network for racial baiting, and in some ways it really is, but if people weren't interested, if they weren't biting and buying into it, it would give way to stories such as the plight of whales, or lack of economy, etc... .
Again, I too thought that Zimmerman brought in the hot topics; Mexican, black, race, and gun laws. It worked. Certainly, much worse has happened in small towns, in urban settings and gang riddled areas... but this sold, and many, many bought it.
Should we really blame the news networks or those that overwhelmingly buy into race baiting? Political baiting? All others? News is news, and certainly not all tragedies can be reported on; they've got to be chosen and with $$ on the line, chosen by what's considered to be popular. Something to consider.....
Esam,
Apparently you have never been outside of America. The US is THE most racially integrated country in the world. If you travel to any other country, whether it be Britain, Germany, Egypt, Somalia, Iraq, India, Japan, China, etc... you will find a VAST majority of only one race. The reason for this is that America has always had an open door policy when it comes to immigration. Mexico has an immigration policy that calls for immediate arrest, felony conviction, and federal prison sentencing on a first attempt. A second is punishable by death. It is relatively easy to become an American citizen, and once you are, your rights are the same as any other citizen. If you go to Japan, it is still LEGAL to discriminate against white people or blacks, and it is extremely hard to gain citizenship. I know of many friends in the military who have to have their real estate property in their wife's, who is Japanese, name because it is illegal for them to own real estate in Japan unless they have been a citizen for at least 7 years. Now, tell me how the US is more segregated than Iran, where it is illegal to be Christian, punishable by death, or Somalia where it is legal to kill anyone not Somalian (notice I didn't say black, this is because it's legal to kill anyone who isn't Somalian.) Please, don't say how horrible America is until you have experienced some of the rest of the world.
Esam, I find it ironic that you say "Black American have never pretended to be biologically or intellectually superior to anyone" but use that sentence to say that White people are racist and Blacks aren't, thereby implying that Blacks are intellectually superior to whites. What's really sad is that you don't see the racism in that.
This is a blatant lie. Unless you consider "open door policy" African and Asian slave labor. There are court cases that specifically reference the immigration policy limited to "free white persons".
knife, just last year Mexico granted citizenship to over 1 million Americans who overstayed their tourist visas and decided to live in Mexico. These are blue-eyed Americans who once they've experienced life in another country couldn't bring themselves back to the US.
And Mexico doesn't execute people who enter their country illegaly. That's ludicrous. Your post is so out of touch with reality I don't need to say anything more.
There is a lot more evidence suggesting that white racism is a problem than any other imaginary form of racism.
Also, I see a false equivalency and logical fallacy, where you are equating "racism" to "intellect" or lack thereof.
Being a racist has nothing to do with intelligence. It has everything to do with the attitudes, speech, and behaviors that enforce hierarchy, mistreatment and subjugation of people because of color. In fact, some of the "smartest" white people that you all praise, were devout white supremacist/racists. Thomas Jefferson, Cecil Rhodes, Winston Churchhill, Teddy Roosevelt, Andrew Jackson, etc.
That is a major act of dishonesty in my opinion to imply that people of color are "racist", or that they cause as much harm to white people as white people do to people of color.
Where is your proof that black people, since you said black people specifically, mistreat white people on the basis of color. Provide an example of white people who are being harmed RIGHT NOW by black people. And then provide examples of the opposite scenario.
Hmm, and i'm pretty sure that Mitt Romney's entire family lives in Mexico...why do people have to lie to defend racism?
But a shooting in Harlem is "trending"? Or is it the fact that a son shot his own mother and sister that is "trending" enough to bring it to the headlines?
Did you notice how well MSNBC "avoided" the inclusion of photos that many other news sites included in their coverage? Ever stop to think about why?
Tek:
Because the truth is....it's indefensible?
Maybe the thought doesn't occur to you or you simply can't grasp the notion, but the number of people interested in a story and reading it is what causes a story to bump up the list on MSNBC and just about every other website. That's what is called trending. I'd take a wild guess and state that there are countless more people who are interested and read about a story of a murder occurring in Harlem than one that occurs in Macon, GA simply because of population statistics.
As for excluding pictures, what difference does that make? I doubt there are many people in this entire country who are not aware of the demographics of the population of Harlem. Or are you talking about no pictures for the Granny story? The latter are there if you click on the link within the MSNBC story.
But I still don't understand your gripe. The story you complained wasn't on MSNBC was and it had been there since prior to 12:49AM as that was the last time it had been updated. Did you want a headline that screamed "Granny shoots Black Robbers"? Although from the picture it would be hard to tell what race Granny is other than a grand-toting self-defending sharpshooting lady protecting herself who didn't trail some people after calling 911 and being told not to do so.
You appear to be attempting to make this entire issue about race. It isn't. Sometimes a story is. Often it's not.
Try living up to your chosen screenname a little more and trying thinking.
MSNBC doesn't base much of their headlines on "trending" they place stories so they will or won't trend. Whether a story is trending or not if they are going to report race in one they should report it in ALL instead of making a story about race.
Again my question goes back to are we racist for presuming that a shooting in Harlem would be about blacks if the story doesn't include race? Is it wrong if race is not reported for us to presume the race of shooters in Watts, Beverly Hills, Detroit, D.C., Chicago? Or maybe we should presume it is Black on Black unless they report race due to the way MSNBC chooses to report race in their stories?
I just scanned the story again... MAY we presume the police were Black since they didn't mention race and Harlem isn't rioting?
It is a SHAME that this part of the thread has been collapsed because a few individuals are AFRAID to discuss this topic openly unless it fits their agenda.
I hate to tell you trust_verify, but the stories definitely move up/down in order on MSNBC's webpage dependent upon the number of clicks and level of interest. Obviously new stories make the list, but a story that is generating a lot of interest IS going to move up simply because clicks=$$$. And after all $$$ is what drives a website whether it is MSNBC, Fox, CNN, Facebook, Pinterest, etc.
As for the race issue, in some crimes race is a factor. This is going off topic, but the GZ story was all about race because of his alleged comments to the 911 operator about the race of the person he was trailing and the alleged words he used to describe that person.
In neither this story nor the Granny story that "thinker" was getting upset over because he thought it hadn't been reported on, was the crime committed with race as an issue. It can be argued whether the GZ case was or not (and I'll leave that up to the courts) but in all honesty if race doesn't appear to have a bearing on WHY the crime was committed then why bring it up? It has no relevance in many cases.
Simply wanting a headline screaming that the crime was committed by a non-white to "get even" or get equal press time, is incredibly juvenile.
Tek, read the full discussion before you comment on what makes sense or doesn't. I was replying to Esam who said that racism is a belief that another race is intellectually or physically inferior or conversely, superior. As far as evidence that racism affects white people? How about the 20 thugs that beat a white guy so bad he was put into intensive care a day or so ago? They point blank said it was in revenge for Martin even though the man had no connection to GZ or TM in any way. Or about the white teen that was set on fire for being white? What about the fact that if anyone other than a middle-aged white guy is portrayed in a less than positive light, everyone on the Left raises a stink? What about the white guy that was beaten, robbed, and stripped in Baltimore with people laughing because he was white? You won't see most of these stories because some of the other posters are right, the media is and has been whoring themselves out for money and ignoring any kind of ethical responsibility. You mention the alleged racist comments GZ made? You mean the ones NBC has owned up to misrepresenting? Spare me. The people that always look for racism will always find it because to them, it always is racism. I have news for you, most white people could care less about the color of a person's skin. What I, and a significant majority of others, absolutely despise is the fact that the culture of "no snitching, no telling, and I's gots ta get mines" is leading to more and more crime with nothing but excuses and charges of racism from the "leaders" of the community. The drastic increase in unwed mothers raising kids while they are still kids themselves, honoring crack dealers who can rap, and making excuses for criminal activity is why you see people saying that the black community is losing their way. Hell, even people like Bill Cosby say this, but to most of black America he's nothing but another Uncle Tom. You want racism? Why do we have multiple sets of standards in this country based on race? Why do we have a POTUS that takes the side of the person with the darkest skin regardless of the facts of the case? Why do we not have a prosecution for the death threats made publicly to GZ and the judge in his case? Why do we not have a prosecution for voter intimidation based on race that was captured on national TV? You want to know why? Racism. Plain and simple. And not by white people.
Voter-in-LA
Simply wanting a headline screaming that the crime was committed by a non-white to "get even" or get equal press time, is incredibly juvenile.
I'm not "screaming" for anything in the headline. I am stating that I would be called racist for presuming race if it isn't stated. If it is appropriate to state race in stories where the accused is White and the victim is Black then it is appropriate for all stories. Otherwise it is BIAS reporting.... the VERY thing that many of the stories imply by the way they are reported.
Current "trends" on MSNBC
White on Black = headline includes White on Black even if suspect is only partly white or just isn't Black
White on White = Headline, story mentions both parties being white.
Black on Black = maybe a story if it is tragic and unusual no mention of race
Black on white..... ==== what story??? until the police make a brutal arrest then it's POLICE abuse suspect.. never mind that the suspect has shot at the police or endangered a school yard of students in the highspeed chase.
Our comments aren't whether the STORY is about race but the RACIAL way things are reported. And it's more about all the cries of racism when none is apparent other than the way the story is reported.
The Sanford story was not about a racist crime but was made to be. MAYBE the police investigation was race impaired but that was not how the story was reported.
MAYBE if the "news" would report FACTS and get out of TABLOID reporting there would be more acceptance between races and even, heaven forbid, cooperation to resolve the REAL racial issues. Who does it really serve to STIR the race pot? It DOES make for lots of clicks.
Voter-in-LA - The rationale behind my comments are that MSNBC purposefully skews the stories it post in an attempt to impact trending. They take articles from other news agencies (e.g. AP, UPI, NYT, etc.) and delete portions of the article, included photos, etc.
But even after they have been corrected they still try to skew the info in an attempt to continue readership. Take for example the maartin case. Zimmerman's family indentified him as being hispanic yet MSNBC continues to point out the fact that he is mixed race (white-hispanic). Compare that to obama who has identified himself as black. MSNBC does not keep including closing comments to the fact that obama is mixed race. Why? Because he is prez or because it somehow fits their agenda? I think the latter.
As for including/excluding pictures, why do they strip some photos from some articles? Why did they continue to show photos of martin as a 12 y.o. (while the article called him a teenager) until zimmerman was charged? Seems a little too coincidental doesn't it. Other news sources had photos of a more mature martin so it wasn't like they didn't have access.
Surely you've heard of a picture is worth a thousand words. Though the make up of Harlem may be mostly blacks it is not exclusively. Just as in any other city, there are various races, ethnicities, sexes, etc. But to exclude pictures of some involved and include pictures of others involved despite their majority/minority status begs questioning.
What race do you think GZ is? Hispanic is NOT a race. Hispanics are part of the white race. Hispanic is an ethnicity. End of story. So for once MSNBC actually had the right concept.
President Obama is of mixed racial heritage and I don't think I've ever heard him state otherwise. The fact that a good deal of America's population only looks at his skin color as an identifying factor speaks volumes. And you appear to be one of those.
As for pictures of Martin, MSNBC was definitely not the only one. AP, Reuters, CNN, just about everyone had the pictures of GZ and Martin from years ago. Those were simply the pictures that were initially found and released. But in that case what difference does it make? Does the fact that Martin has grown bigger make it more justifiable to use a gun?
As for your comment about the Harlem story, it doesn't matter what race they are. Seeing as it was a son who shot his mother and his sister, chances were high they were of the same race. Hence no racial issue as it's not relevant to the story.
btw, the thinker, if you are under the impression only MSNBC selectively takes paragraphs of an AP, Reuters etc story, you are sorely mistaken. Fox and other rightwing media does pretty much the same thing deleting content they don't wish to report on. That's why people simply should read a multitude of sources and in numerous cases rely on non-USA sources too. Anyone can pretty much read the unabridged stories on the websites of AP etc. And most people should have an inkling of some reliable international news sources.
I rarely agree with MSNBC's reporting style or content, but it's far from the worst.
Sigh...you're talking about immediate/inferior power. The same power that white people have, and excercise often against black and non-white people. I'm sure (if this really happened) that this black person responsible will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. You won't have black police officers trying to cover it up. I mean look at the number of alleged "racial supremacist groups" - The number of white ones dwarfs the number of non-white ones.
What about the black female who was accused of throwing acid in a white girls face and the cops believed her? What about Susan smith, kidnapped her kids and blamed it on black people? What about Frederick Jermaine Carter, James Craig Anderson...essentially assaulted and lynched for simply being black, very recently.
What about the 68 year old man in baltimore that was beaten by 2 racists when he was fishing? Or the teenager in the white "Jewish" neighborhood in Baltimore beaten because he simply was there?
I'm not sure what you're talking about
And white people generallywill always try to invalidate what a non-white person says about dealing with racism.
You sure about that? There are a ton of racist websites that suggest otherwise.
And what I, and a significant majority of other people absolutely despise is that you take a small element of black people and apply what you think about them to ALL black people. Also that you pretend to be "colorblind" for one second, but then as soon as a criminal is black or non-white you then make assumptions about everyone that looks like that because one person did something. That affects the decisions that you make and how you treat people - your thoughts, speech, and actions towards them.
Which i'm sure you would assign to some sort of inherent deficiency in black people. Not all (or most) black people make excuses for criminal activity, not all (or most) rappers deal crack, not all black women are unwed mothers. If you really didn't "care" about color, instead of standing there pointing fingers of ridicule, why not help come up with solutions to why black men and women aren't getting along?
Because he feeds that idiotic position that all black people (except him, of course) are like that.
You want racism? Why is there a concept of race in the first place? Why are there suppositions of peoples moral and intellectual capabilities based on what they look like? Why do these suppositions lead to maltreatment of said people?
I heard his statements on the Trayvon Martin case. He said nothing indicating that he was taking any sides - in fact, he wasn't going to even speak on the case until a white reporter asked him about it. Everything he said was completely neutral - and I find it hard to believe that if there were a missing white girl and Romney said "that could have been my daughter" that people would have had a problem with what was said.
As far as siding with the darkest person? Are we talking about the same Obama here? The Obama that invaded an African country and helped NATO overthrow a sovereign leader that led to an ethnic cleansing? The Obama who has fought for legislation to repeal DADT and other items wanted by the gay community, but told the Congressional Black Caucus to "shut up and stop complaining" when they took him to task on the disproportionate black unemployment?
Well the person who made the death threat to the judge was white, and he was arrested. I haven't heard anyone make a specific death threat to George Zimmerman, but the "bounty" offered by the NBPP seems rather suspicious to me...like maybe even that the US government is behind this bounty. There have been several DHS/FBI entrapment probes like this before, specifically targeted to minority groups - Blacks, Latinos, and Middle Eastern Muslims mainly.
I'm pretty sure if white people had wanted the New Black Panthers prosecuted for it, they would have been. All of that happened under Bush's watch anyway - so blame Bush if they weren't prosecuted.
I get it, if you can't confuse or mislead, it's ok to outright lie, is that it?
I'll take your points in order.
1. The decision was made not to try this as a hate crime when this person was clearly targeted for the color of his skin.
2. I never said it doesn't happen, I said the coverage is blatantly under-reported, slanted to favor minority victims, and sometimes even purposely misrepresented to follow an agenda.
3. See above
4. So, you totally missed that NBC admitted to editing the GZ 911 call and that it clearly made GZ look like a racist?
5. Really? I thought this was the whole point of discussion, not to dismiss the other's argument? So if I can't talk about it, according to you, then exactly how am I not suppsed to be dismissive? I'm not dismissive, obviously, since I am addressing them. Unlike you, I do not assume the person with a different opinion than mine is "most other people of x persuasion". You lumped me in a category while I am and have been talking in general terms. In this I find a commonality with most other posters on the Left: when logic fails, try attacking.
6. So you tell me that I can't judge you by the actions of a few but you can judge me that way? Really? Show me your evidence that most white people are racist. Those websites are the actions of a tiny percentage of the whole and I fully renounce their actions. Can you renounce the folks on your side preaching racism? It's not hard to find one. Can you denounce them all?
7. Once again you assume that I make assumptions. That's faulty logic.
8. I'm not saying that black people are deficient. I'm saying that the fact that roughly 70 percent of all black children are born to single mothers is a problem. It's a problem in all races frankly but it's a runaway problem here. It leads to more poverty and misery. The kids and the mothers deserve better at least. I didn't say all rappers deal crack either. I said that rappers that deal crack are glorified. I know why couples aren't getting along, by the way. It's fairly simple. The gangsta, thug culture that so many think is so cool is teaching that ho's and bitches ain't to be respected. Heroes on TV have 12 kids by 8 women. Oh, and in court for child support. You do the math.
9. So, once again, you defend blatant racism. Hint: calling anyone an Uncle Tom is racist.
10. Really? Do you not realize that people are and have always been basing their opinions on how things appear? Have you ever tried to make a sentence or communicate an idea with zero visual reference? Sight is our most important sense generally. Since people are also, in general, cruel and confrontational when dealing with the unknown and different it's a natural reaction. Some of us, however, have overcome this instinct and realized that outward appearance is not the most important deciding factor. It's this ability to overcome instinct that makes people superior to animals. Now, if enough people would just use it.
11. I'm talking about the same Obama that has come down on the side of the darker skin in every situation I've ever seen reported. From the Harvard professor and the beer summit all the way to this one. It's his only point of consistency.
12. I'm going to have to figure you're being willingly ignorant or fascetious to have missed the stories about the twitter comments etc. There seems to also be a bit of paranoia thrown in there as well. You really think the government somehow mindcontrolled the NBB to post the bounty? Because they did it, Youtube vids and all. For the government to be behind it there would have to be some real X-Files stuff going on.
13. So, some more paranoia. So white people just decided not to prosecute. Tell me. Which ones? It damn sure wasn't me. And for the record, I do blame Bush, but that doesn't let Holder and Obama off the hook either. It had only been 3 months. It was still well within the statute of limitations and Holder specifically declined to prosecute. Frankly, Obama should have called for the prosecution as President-elect. He's sure as hell felt free to speak his mind any other time.
At the end of the day, I really don't know why I bother though. Your mind is made up. Again, I'll grant you racism is still present but I categorically deny that it is as one-sided as the Left (and you) make it out to be. But, that proves once again that people looking for racism can always find it. For me, I'll respond when folks try to assume I think a specific way because I'm white but more often than not I would rather just be a good citizen and mind my business. Funny, that used to be the thing that made this country great. Now it's just uncool.
New York City's Harlem? Hmmmm, will refrain from making any assumptions here with far to little info on the victims and suspect.
You're probably the only one then.
The police should have unloaded all their clips on this guy.
I wonder who's going to get to pay the hospital bills.
They can ask Al and Jesse for the money.
Probably just another innocent black victim of police brutality and racial profiling. He will sue the city for excessive force being used when he gets out of the hospital. Jesse and Al wont even crawl out of the swamp for this because it was black on black crime. They cant stir the racial hatred pot without someone being involved who isnt black.
My sincere thoughts are with the mother who has to bury her 13 year old daughter that appears to have been killed by her worthless 28 year old brother. And with her wounds on top of this. This is a horrible tragedy all around.
The police should have unloaded all their clips on this guy.
Good thing they didn't, because their job isn't to be the judge, jury, and executioner. I for one don't want to live in a police state where law enforcement has the freedom to kill people without a trial.
Crazy is, as Crazy gets !!!..i find it unusual, a Mom turns in a Son..oh well, hopefully tomorrow will be a better day....
Police say the murder weapon was a bag of skittles. Seriously though, my heart aches for the loss of a young little girl. May God bless the family and ease their suffering.
When will people learn that guns do not keep you safe...they sit waiting for you to murder someone. Sure, I know the rhetoric, guns don't kill people... people kill people. If that man didn't have a gun, would he still have killed his family, perhaps..... but we will never know, will we?
Now, a young girl is dead, her Mom, is critically injured as is the shooter. If she lives, her life will be filled with sadness; if he lives, he will go to prison. We as a society need to smarten up and quit buying weapons...... we need to focus on working together and stop hurting and killing each other.
And let's be sure to sing Kum by yah as we do. Seriously, this young "man" appears to have given into the idea that violence is the only way to get what you want. Money, drugs, you name it. The whole situation is terribly sad, and a young life has been ended way too early. I hope the mother and the son both make a full recovery. Unfortunately, their lives have been altered forever by this one senseless act of violence that should never have occurred.
I guess you all feel that white people's family disputes NEVER disintergrate into violence, right?
Right. and the fact that most of the folks commenting here feel that since there is an issue with racism in law enforcement that black people would defend someone of any ethnicity that killed their own sister and shot their own mother? Says a lot about how little people really think of black people in general.
I'm thinking that we could go a long way towards solving the "gun problem" by solving the "drug problem".
Blondeness - My guns keep me safe. They don't sit waiting to murder someone. Know why? Because I don't sit waiting to murder someone. I know that is hard for the anti-gun crowd to grasp. Quit blaming the instrument and blame the criminal. Get tougher on them. I have owned guns for 50 years and none of them have ever murdered anyone. Even you make the statement he may have still murdered his family if he didn't have a gun. So, even you admit it isn't the gun's fault. It was what was in his heart and mind that caused the murder, not the gun. Besides, this couldn't have happened in NYC. We all know how safe it is since Bloomberg took all the guns away from the law abiding citizens with the toughest anti-gun laws in the country. Only fools think anti-guns laws make anyplace safer. It makes them unsafer, because criminals don't care about gun laws and they are the only ones with guns when these laws are in place.
"since there is an issue with racism in law enforcement that black people would defend someone of any ethnicity that killed their own sister" TekKnowlege, think back a few years to OJ Simpson. Black people all across the country said they thought it was okay if he got off for killing two white people (one being a family member, his wife, thus the similarity to this case) as a "one-uppance" for the rampant racism in the justice system. Don't remember? Go do your own research, I'm not going to do it for you.
No, people are just so tired of hearing black people constantly turn everything inter-racial into "an issue of racism" that some are pointing out that black people need to quit pointing the finger at white people for a while and work on the problems internal to their communities. These problems can't be fixed by the white man, nor by the government.
The FACTS are that the rate of black-on-black crime is much much higher than white-on-black crime, but where is the outcry? Black-on-white crime is much higher than white-on-black crime, but that also gets swept under the rug. White people have instances of crime and family violence, too, but the rate PER CAPITA is much lower. Crime victim statistics show that black people are about 7 times more likely to be the perpetrators of murder than white people.
Yes, there is evil and violence in every race, but there seems to be something specific to the American black culture that lends a greater proclivity toward violence. Not trying to insult or make racist statements, but hiding the truth for the sake of political correctness doesn't help anyone's situation. Go check it all out for yourselves at the government's Uniform Crime Reporting, and crime victims' reporting, websites.
While I agree with you to an extent CC GWRider, and I think the police acted appropriately in this instance, the NYPD has a long history of unjustified brutal violence against the black and latino communities. Every time getting off with a slap on the wrist.
While I agree that some in the black community make race an issue nationally for no more than a few minutes of fame, in New York race is obviously an issue within the police force.
wow look at history white white white on black crimes something we can't let go of pain and alot of heartache. we are a mad race at times.
Ban handguns.
takenaka
BAN takenaka you have NEVER contributed a factual comment to ANY conversation. Just change your handle already and save some typing. taken aka BanHandguns. Even the racist and haters have more to contribute than you do.. and that is a sad sad fact.
Well I am certain that Al and Jesse are going to be protesting the shooting of this young man. Of course the police shot him because he was black right?
I think people got it completely wrong and backwards when they mention crimes committed by Black Americans in response to the Trayvon Martin case and Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's reaction to that case.
The vast majority of crimes Black Americans commit is done by criminals who're not following any kind of ideology. In other words, they're random acts which are not organized or part of a political movement by Black Americans.
On the other hand, when White Americans commit a crime against Blacks it's usually the result of a racist ideology that has been part of the US since its beginning and continues to this day.
Racism has been institutionalized in this country and as such it can be considered organized crime. That's how the US has become to be one of the most segregated countries in the world.
And let me please remind you what racism is: Racism is the notion that a certain race is BIOLOGICALLY AND INTELLECTUALLY inferior to others.
Blacks might be guilty of a crime, or being too angry, or even discriminating against others but Black American have never pretended to be biologically or intellectually superior to anyone.
That's why many White Americans feel a need to separete themselves or get rid of Black Americans because either they view them as inferior and/or don't want to mix with Blacks and therefore "denegrate" the White genetic pool.
Get it now?
Esam: You are full of it. I know of many black on white crimes where the only motive was"lets get a white guy or girl" because in the Black criminals minds the "white folks" are the weak ones. There are racists in every ethic group so get over yourself.
Esam...by posting that nonsense you have done a commendable job in demonstrating your own intellectual capacity
..that may go over in a "black studies" class - but not here
He was shot because deadly force was justifiable. Especially already after one minor (underage) is dead.
To Esam: I understand where you are coming from and it is true to an extent. However, there are blacks who do think they are better than whites. This mentality may not always be obvious because blacks are a 12% minority that must conform to a white dominated society. It would not be beneficial to walk around as if superior when you are outnumbered. Black Americans have to walk around with that "yes masa" attitude so "the man" won't get pissed off. As far as your statement about most whites not wanting to mix with Blacks is a real gray area. I have never seen as many interracial couples than I have seen over the last decade...not just white women with black men. You hate me yet you are attracted to me at the same time? Don't make sense!
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Hey Esam- call OJ- he'll explain it for you.
Let's get the Black Panthers in there too - make it simple.
I will enlist a group of people to hold a pity party for this tragic event.
Esam.. be cautious. Your own racism is coming through loud and clear.
Well Esam, let me remind you of black entertainment for a second in response to your statement that black people never tried to show that they are better then whites. Black comedians repeatedly portrayed whites as incompetent by mocking them, ridicule them thus making blacks always better, funnier, "cooler" etc. than whites. Same thing in movies. One of the best example, Beverly Hills cop, where the entire movie is about Axle Foley(black) being the best, the baddest, the coolest and smartest detective of all, making every other cops(whites) look like they are nothing but a bunch of fools. And the script is the same for almost every black action movie: blacks are better than whites. Now, I realize that they are just movies, but what they are trying to portray is the superior black man.
Blacks are superior.
I heard a story on the news. A black man's son raped his 2 year old daughter. He walked his son out and shot the kid in the head.
The CDC re-employed a female child rapist guilty of a felony offense against a child, a crime punishable by death accord to the United States Code of Military Justice, but another gov't agency force several members of the Secret Service into resignation for a non-felony offense of soliciting prostitutes.
Who runs these organizations? Whites.
I think you will find that blacks make far more sense than whites.
America is way too violent...
And likely to get much worse...
Why is race being brought up in here? 2 people were shot, one of them died. No one was approached by a vigilante with a gun....I'm not making the connection between some of u people and your far fetched sarcasm on an issue that is very clear.
I guess because this is Rev Al peacful parish. How did race become a factor in the Martin case? Maybe because Al, Jess and obammy made it so?
Why is Race being brought up here did you say?? It sure the heck was brought up and is STILL being brought up today in the Zimmerman case. The "Fair" reporting media is still all over it.
zeusmamba...
A "vigilante"? What are YOU talking about? I'm not making the connection, as you noted.
zeusmamba,
The reason people are bringing up race: They are pointing how how MSNBC only highlights the race when it suits their agenda.
Zeus
The reason race is being brought up is that some people don't have anything worthwhile to contribute to a discussion but don't want to let that stop them from seeing their title here in print.
DUFUS!!!!
The suspect must have been wearing a hoodie and was easy to spot.
Speaking of "hoodies" sure wish I would have bought some stock, last month, in the companies that make those things.
Zesus: The vigilante with the guns was the dumbass who decided to just shoot in the public hitting folks with bullets all the while missing the intended target.
A lot of vocal North Americans become more and more stupid with logical reasoning. This was a crime that had nothing to do the skin tone.
Unless you look at things in a third-eye type of way...in which then everything in the world is actually connected lol.
Are u capable of making a post w/out the reference to sharpton, jackson, and obama ?
Where is Al???
Yeah, that comment may have been clever the first couple of thousands times. Now you just sound like a parroting moron.
Wasn't clever the first 2x.
It's not about where is Al but our main focus should be commenting about lets not forget to pray for this family. That should be it. Nothing else. Race nor anythig else but PRAYER. The mother needs it. Lets respect this mother by praying for her and not bring AL, JESSE, TRAYVONN or anyone else up. PLEASE LETS JUST PRAY. MOM NEEDS IT!! NOT ALL OF THIS JUNK THAT EVERYBODY IS SAYING & POSTING. If the little girl mom was to read this site....Do you really think it would be appropiate for her to see all of this MESS. STOP IT AND JUST SIMPLY PRAY!!
Forget race. Ban handguns.
Wait a Darn minute here, WHAT was the RACE of the SHOOTER that shot the 13 year old girl and her mother??? Was he White?? Was he Black?? Was he Mexican?? We sure the Hell knew from the Start what Race Zimmerman was. And where is AL, Jesse, Obama, Erick Holder, Black panthers, Justice dept, FBI, Who did I leave out?? And why don't we hear any more about the White woman who got Murdered by that Black woman?? Let's have a little FAIR reporting for a change Liberal Media.
Sounds like a domestic issue, if the shooter was the woman's son and the girl's brother. Race is irrelevant, in that case.
How about not getting the flames to burn even harder, and just leaving the skin tone issue out of the subject. Lol
They HAVE the suspect. The race, which would help find him, is not needed. Go back to your Fox news page where you spew your garbage and the rest of the idiots will agree with you.
How about we just stick to the topic.
What did happen to the woman who shot the mom for her 3 day old baby? That was sad too.
Stray off into completely irrelevant rants, much? Careful - your bigotry is showing.
Yes the bias and bigotry of MSNBC is showing slightly. However, your hypocrisy is showing when you want to make one case about race yet are afraid to discuss it in others.
May the young lady rest in peace.
My sincere condolences to the mother and other family members.
I can only hope that the perpetrator, if found guilty, suffers the harshest penalty allowed by law, and in NY I believe that is still the Death Penalty.
Or they could take away his welfare checks?
TonyinWyo,
I see you are finished talking to the one other person who lives in Wyoming and now here you are again with yet another tired, worn out reference to welfare checks (yawn). Is that the only comment you can make because it surely looks that way. A 13 year old child is dead from a bullet to the head and THIS is what comes to your mind? WOW!!!! Condolences to not only this young girl's family, but to yours as well.
And this is news how? Just a day in the projects of the US. In europe this just doesn't happen, oh that's right they hardly have any guns there, but that can't be the reason as guns don't kill people.
No over there they strangle you, throw you in a ditch and set you on fire. Strangling seems to be the choice of the killers all over Europe these days. The gasoline and fire is just an added attraction for them, you know for the excitement is all. Stabbings are not too popular but, on the rise as well.
I just love it when someone says guns kill, mine have never tried to kill anyone but they might if someone tries to kill me or my family. At least I'll defend my self. I refuse to be taken to a camp and murdered like millions of others.
@Larry.... don't you know? If guns kill people, then forks and spoons make people fat...
This is true about Europe.
Nothing to see here, business as usual.
@bill-765872,
Then why do you waste your valuable time posting here. I would hardly call a dead 13 year old nothing but, I am sure you have your "reasons."
The police could argue that apprehending the suspect alive is a positive thing seeing as it helps boost clearance ratings for the department...but maybe that's just me watching too much of 'The Wire'.
How can this happen in New York, it's illegal for that guy to have the gun. Check with His Majesty Bloomberg he'll tell you that too. Just imagine if this woman could have owned something to protect herself with, the girl might still be alive and she not in the hospital but, they won't allow it there. Or should I say he won't. It's all about him and no one else.
Race DOES matter, because Al and Jesse bring it up ALL THE TIME! However, if and when it may not be to their personal greedey advantage, they do not! They do not protest all the black on black crime, and blacks kill unarmed whites all the time in robberies, carjackings, etc. Sorry 'bout the Martin case, but there are tons of whites robbed, carjacked, etc. by blacks and the media slants it..............
Time to give these cops a week off with pay, send them to the range to learn how to shoot for effect. Now the city will have to waste millions of OUR dollars to get this scum back to health so he can be tried, provide him a lawyer, and then give him special treatment, TV and exercise equipment for the next thirty or so years.
This is Obama's "NEW" Harlem. It is the model for His "NEW" America. We decide to build it November-or NOT.
Right, because Harlem was a model for low-crime neighborhoods before Obama was elected. Wow, some of you people need medication for this obsession.
wow that was by far the dumbest quote I have read so far
Hey flbikerchick,
They don't even have a med for that sickness.
It is situations like this that confirm for me that I could never be a police officer. If I had been at the scene, I would have walked up to the wounded "suspect" and administered the coup de grace.
Yea, I would too :-(
You always kill a rabid dog.
Have they arrested the white guy that did it yet?
Oh, wait............
Now that's funny no matter who you are.
No, no it isn't. What's funny about a dead child? John Gaskill, clearly you must have not read the part that said the perpetrator was SHOT and ARRESTED by law enforcement officers. Arrested being the operative word. Oh, wait, you were being FUNNY. FAIL!!!!
So where is the outrage from Laurel and Hardy (Jesse and Al) over this senseless killing. Oh yeah, it is black on black crime so that's OK. Now if a non-black killed a black they'd be up in arms cause it furthers their racist agenda.
Off subject but I'm in need of answer! Why does msnbc refuse to print headline of tsa and homeland security buying more than half a billion hollow point people killing rounds of ammo? Why has tsa ordered armored attack vehicles along with scores of road block booths with bullet proof glass? These can only be for the purpose of waging war aganist Americans- yet-NOT A WORD FROM MSNBC!!!!!!!!! I guess that pretty well tells you followers of msnbc lies where your news source stands! And it's not at all pretty. You are being used, when your purpose has been fufilled you will be among the FIRST they will have to dispose of-CRAZY LITTLE LEMMINGS going along gleefully to their own PERIL!!!!
Why not ask MSNBC? I think they post their contact information.
I can smell the insulation in your head burning, clear over the internet.
Apparently Texas is a magnet for paranoids.
Have you seen the articles on the weapons caches they are busting on the Mexican border? I am glad they are buying that stuff. Oh, I forgot according to Obama's Administration we don't have a problem on the Mexican border.
Okay, first of all, it's not for the TSA-- it's for ICE (Immigrations and Customs Enforcement). It is meant to be used on the border, dude. Here's the press release:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/atk-secures-40-caliber-ammunition-contract-with-department-of-homeland-security-us-immigration-and-customs-enforcement-dhs-ice-2012-03-12
Now calm down. Ammunition, bullet proof glass and "Road Block" booths are perfectly normal acquisitions for ICE/Border Patrol.
Bob
I hear that there are signs in Arizona warning American citizens to stay out of certain areas because of the mexican drug smugglers and illegals.
Steve,
My dad is in Yuma for the winter-you would not believe.....
I think maybe you took this guy too seriously:
http://www.naturalnews.com/035649_DHS_ammunition_domestic_war.html
This:
should alert you that this guy is not firing on all pistons. So, soldiers would refuse to participate in tyranny, but TSA agents wouldn't? WTF? News flash: they are all Americans. And you can't institute "tyranny" with what amounts to a rent-a-cop bureaucracy that is already riddled with inefficiency and inconsistent policy. Further more, and this is something the author of the article even mentioned without taking it to its logical conclusion, is that these are .40 caliber pistol rounds. You can't take over a country with nothing but pistol-bearing, wand-waving TSA agents. That's just ridiculous.
WMG...
I gather you've never heard of the H&K MP5/40.
A submachine gun is still not going to be all that effective to arm a "storm trooper force" with the intended goal of subduing all of America. For that you need rifles, and lots of them, plus a sh*t ton of air power. Without that, any casual hunter with a decent scope on his rifle will outgun anyone shooting .40's. Range and power superiority most often win engagements.
WMG...
You and I both know and understand that, and I also believe the military, if it ever came to it, would side with the people, as that is where they come from, and will ultimately return to. Fortunately, we're not like the Russian Ploitiburo, or the Chinese Ruling Party.... yet.
Hopefully, it never will.
Al and Jesse, Al and Jesse, Al and Jesse. I LOVE it that they cause certain people so much grief! Whom shall you blame when they are no longer around hmmm? Looking in the mirror will provide an excellent clue. Long live Al and Jesse!
Sounds like the police did the right thing to me...
Why does cop-talk always refer to real people as a "white female" or a "black male"? Why aren't they called a "woman", a "girl", a "man", or a "boy"? Does it somehow create the illusion that the cops are a different species? Or is it just a way to show contempt for the PEOPLE they "protect and serve"? And why is it that a "subject" did something? Did the "subject" assault a "predicate"? Or did a man assualt a woman?
Because it's accurate.
There are 20 year old girls and 18 year old women. And people are the :"subject" of an investigation. You really get off on b!tching about nothing, don't you?
I have a police scanner and the two words you hear the most are "black male".
Yes, because you live in Africa.
lol =P jk but you know what i mean.
While I have never been in Harlem, and all the news and pictures we do see of Harlem, it is more black than white. So yes, most likely it was black on black crime. Surely Jessie and Al can take time out to come to Harlem and preach about the injustice of a scumbag getting shot by the cops, right?
Good thing I don't live in that city or that state. I am not a member of the NRA, but I do use my 2nd admendent rights to own weapons. My weapons have never killed a person, and hope they never have to. But don't miss understand me, a person breaks into my home, I have no idea what his thoughts are pertaining to me, but I WILL defend myself, using leathal force the moment you are inside the house.
All of you gun haters had better wake up, one day your life could be in serious danger. You had better be one hell of a salesmen/women to talk your way out of that danger. If not, well you were warned, not only by me, but others have also said that same thing. Good luck!
1) There are far more worthy cases of black males doing nothing wrong or being arrested for a minor crime and being assaulted by cops that Reverend Sharpton can throw his influence behind.
2) What is this obsession with "black on black" crime? Do we call the 85% of crimes where the criminal and the victim are classified as "white" as "white on white" crime? Why or why not? Or is "black on black" crime just another attempt to lump all black people together as soulless criminals and take away the credibility of there being a such thing as a black victim?
3) I agree with you on the gun thing. People need to protect themselves from criminals, terrorists, crazies, or whatever.
Strange that race was not mentioned in the article, but most posters act as if it were. The amazing thing is that the police didn't have to kill the suspect in a hail of bullets. Damn, they actually stopped him without taking his life. It can be done!
Lol you're right....seems this went down okay as best it could after the incident.
Whether it's a lighter skin tone, or a darker skin tone...some bastard human will always want to instigate a skin tone war.
We all thought it was possible, but out this way an unarmed drunk can be killed for having a stick in his hand.
I think people got it completely wrong and backwards when they mention crimes committed by Black Americans in response to the Trayvon Martin case and Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's reaction to that case.
The vast majority of crimes Black Americans commit is done by criminals who're not following any kind of ideology. In other words, they're random acts which are not organized or part of a political movement by Black Americans.
On the other hand, when White Americans commit a crime against Blacks it's usually the result of a racist ideology that has been part of the US since its beginning and continues to this day.
Racism has been institutionalized in this country and as such it can be considered organized crime. That's how the US has become to be one of the most segregated countries in the world.
And let me please remind you what racism is: Racism is the notion that a certain race is BIOLOGICALLY AND INTELLECTUALLY inferior to others.
Blacks might be guilty of a crime, or being too angry, or even discriminating against others but Black American have never pretended to be biologically or intellectually superior to anyone.
That's why many White Americans feel a need to separete themselves or get rid of Black Americans because either they view them as inferior and/or don't want to mix with Blacks and therefore "denegrate" the White genetic pool.
Get it now?
No it really has to do with the extremely high percentage and ratio of black crime compared to any other ethnic group. It causes one to be paranoid. Why do you think, blacks, whites, and any other ethnicity in the US is uncomfortable getting on a plane with someone wearing a keffiyeh, shmagh, ghutrah or some other Arabic scarf or towel on their head. Could it be that muslims are disproportionately terrorists that look and dress in this manner? Is it so surprising or disturbing to think that someone is going to be a little more suspicious of someone wearing a hoody? Do blacks stereo type whites wearing mullets, wife beaters or confederate flags? I don't blame them if they do and certainly understand.
Statistics are all jacked up nowadays, first off, you have to think ratio compared within as opposed to ratio compared to wholes. If a certain category is only 13 percent of the population, lol there's no way that category can have the highest in the whole of U.S. Plus, lots of crimes go unreported.
paraphrasing here from Blake-2644321: people should have emptied the clips...this comment I think highlights the ignorance and idiots in America. Seriously, I'm black and this whole black on black, brown on black "we going to march the streets" crap needs to stop. You are only as rascist as you allow yourself to be. How long are we going to keep deflecting serious issues with bs misdirection? What should be addressed is why a 28 year old man and brother would shoot his 13 year old sister to death and tried to kill his mother. Why don't we talk about the pressures of low income and job profiling just because a person is from "the ghetto" or "trailerpark". This is the problem with my country, we choose to keep each other down while trying to save face for the world as if we deserve the right to police the world. We need to take a good look at ourselves first and this is just another example of the people failing themselves because our @!$%#ty government that we voted in damn sure aint helping.
How funny Esam! Just last night I saw the Youtube video of an unfortunate white dude who got lost in the black neighbourhood on St.Patrick's day. Why don't you check out what happened to him. He got robbed, beaten, stripped naked and ridiculed the whole time while the black mob was filming it. Not one of them helped him. What about the the two black brothers from Wichita,KS where they raped, tortured and killed a group of whites execution style. They did target them because they were whites. Check out on Youtube the story of that white kid from Seattle, who was held up by two blacks, beaten and tortured by putting cigarettes out on his back. Throughout the whole incident, they told him that he deserved it because he is white. No racial motive when it comes to black against white crime huh, Esam.
Where oh where is all the black outrage? Somehow this is a cracker's fault.
Lol, or maybe not....it is just an unfortunate event in which the good guys won. Somehow, someway, there's always someone of a varying skin tone who wants to keep going with the skin tone war.
Humans, stop instigating.
Why should there be black outrage when all parties involved are black? There should be human outrage that transcends race, color, and ethnicity. This is a human tragedy...a man shoots and kills his mother and sister. My God what is wrong with you people?
Lots of North Americans fight fire with fire (the wrong type of fire) in too many situations...makes them feel better to bring up skin tone issues if another brings up skin tone issues. It's a quick joy, but it only makes the fire burn more....including the fire in these bastard humans' brains.
Obviously you're the only one outraged here.
Good job instigating the stupid crud people call skin tone issues.
Anyone ever see/read The Lathe of Heaven?
no, but I have read the Penthouse Forum. It was awesome!
Where is all the outrage from people who say they are "white" but claim not to "see color"?
where is Jesse and Al???? Where is the outrage???? oh I know because no money to be made on this.
It's not just Jesse and Al. Where are all of the talking heads from MSNBC? The ones who have declared George Zimmerman guilty of murder since the start of the Treyvon campaign? I guess later on today, Ed and Chris and Larry and Rachel will begin to deliver their empassioned laments and eulogies to these poor, deprived victims of a racist American society. They will continue their usual tirades against the heartless and mean-spirited republicans who are trying to dismantle the very social safety nets that allow these citizens(who more than likely vote for democrats)to lead a dignified life. At least until they get blown away by some gang-banger.
So on Fox, will they be talking about how the shooting was self-defense, and the woman and girl were thugs, and the girl had been suspended from school three times and deserved to die because she was wearing a hoodie?
Yes, my post is just as silly as yours. But you know what they say. Ask a stupid question....
Not enough Media for al and jessie.
First off, I don't beleive this case has any paralell to the Travon Martin case. As a matter of fact, there's no information on what started this fracas, only what happened and the grisley results. Sercond, an arrest was made of the perpetrator/shooter on the spot...not months later. We know that Zimmerman was told to not confront anyone and stay in his vehicle. He did not, he(Zimmeman) accosted someone who was "walking down the street" (which is not illegal) nor was he armed. ) tis much we know. We also know that had Trayvon been armed and Zimmerman been the one shot, he'd of been in jail that night and probably until he reached trial.
So tell me, how is it that when you ask that justice be done, it's stirring the flames of RACIAL Hatred??