A man, whose mind has been trained to ruthlessly murder, does just that.

Surprised?

cmoursler, murder is illegal, abortion is not, so an abortion is not murder.

All sorts of people murder with no "training" whatsoever.

How can you possibly make ANY connection to his military training? that is pure ignorance.

Maybe he plays violent video games.

Maybe he listens to Rap music.

Maybe he hates women.

Maybe he reads Steven King.

Maybe he watches gory movies.....

Maybe maybe maybe.

Trying to pin this on his "training" is down right silly at this point in time.

packinwhocares, you're a true legal scholar, and an enigma. Prolifer with a gun product id in his/her? tag.

Make up your mind.

Now we just have to wait for a member of the regressives to pop up with, "she had it coming."

Radave- are you telling us murder is only murder if a law book says so?

seems to me you mean justifiable homicide or not justifiable homicide .

Just because society says it is ok to murder a child does not make it not muder. It just means you will not be punished here on earth for it.

@Mojo7 Then what do you say about the person who injects the chemicals in the death penalty cases? Are they too not guilty of murder, state sanctioned or not? Are they less guilty than the doctor who performs an abortion? What sin is greater, the ones you commit or the ones performed by the doctor? Everyone talks about sins as though one carries more weight than the other? They do not, all sins are equal are they not? We all have our own crosses yet it seems as though many make theirs lighter (or think they do) by judging other peoples' sins. It makes them seem more holier or closer to their perspective Deity.

Please answer this for me because I have honestly struggled with this. I served in the Army for 11 years as a 11B & 11M (Infantry) and saw 5 tours within those 11 years. I have done things that I am not proud of during that time. Please tell me my sins are less than that of that doctor. Tell me that it is okay because I was protecting America. Tell me I was just doing as I was told and that my sins are actually on those that told me to do these things. If you cannot then please do not post anything about being judged in the afterlife because you are condemning me too. And I did it for you, if you will.

Esprit De Corps.

G-man, if you acted from a lawful order, it is not your burden to carry. If, on the other hand, you committed one of the murders of innocents, you own it. I pray that you did not. I apologize for the presonal hell that serving in our defense may have become for you. That is our fault for not holding our political leaders accountable. I pray that they are held to account for their sins, in this life and the next. I hope that we remember this and do better in the future.

what do you say about the person who injects the chemicals in the death penalty cases? Are they too not guilty of murder, state sanctioned or not

Of course. Murder is murder.

And for those who want to waffle about it being "justifiable," how many innocent people have been executed by the state? Our legal system allows lawyers and judges to decide what a jury may or may not hear, and then demands that they decide whether a person should live or die. Absolute nonsense. No one with a shred of ethics would participate in such a travesty.

As for murdering people who fight back when you invade their country and slaughter them, gee... what animals! They deserve to die. Of course, it will be different when another country invades the U.S., won't it? We will be justified in fighting back.

Isn't it time to grow up, stop warmongering, and stop the lame excuses for murdering people?

There are many definitions of murder. The context/intent in which the word is used is the determiner of the definition.

@OldSarge: It seems like it should be the way you say but it makes it no less murder no? When I used to go to counseling they used to tell us that some of the things that we did were "Collateral damage" (this is the way they define innocent lives lost) and this is the way they try to make us cope with our actions. We are heroes when we are fighting for OUR country but when we get home people post things about abortion doctors and their sins. They need to understand their sins are closer to the sins of me and my comrades. As they judge them they are judging us within the same breath, but they say they didn't mean it that way. Sometimes I feel as though we are part of that we collateral damage. It is like we died over there but someone forgot to tell us.

Esprit De Corps.

Old Sarge "G-man, if you acted from a lawful order, it is not your burden to carry."

even if the reason our nation took us to war was based on lies and ulterior motvies of people who would never have to put their own lives on the line, or take someone elses life?

if you were told to "kill iraqi's" who are simply defending their nation against the aggressors and invaders, are they not innocents in the same way you'd view americans defending america against invasion?

oh, but some higher ranking official told you this was your job and regardless of reason or motive, someone ELSE told you to do it...so therefore, you have not moral obligation to do whats right, you have not ethical obligation to follow your gut instinct, you have only ONE obligation, and thats to follow marching orders from your superiors.

It's good to know a whole bunch of Nazi's are going to be in heaven, simply because they were just following hitlers lawful orders...

and people wonder why people like me dont believe in GOD or organized religion, it's a bunch of hullabaloo. it's ok for you guys to make loophole exceptions about why THIS killing was ok, but that killing wasnt...and why shooting a guy defending his nation is not murder, but loving my wife and being a lesbian just totally screws me out of heaven.

epic logic fail...and since i'll never understand, i've no reason to believe.

Patter "As for murdering people who fight back when you invade their country and slaughter them, gee... what animals! They deserve to die. Of course, it will be different when another country invades the U.S., won't it? We will be justified in fighting back."

SPOT ON.

I think it sucks that she is dead, but as a former military man i will say filing for divorce while your soldier is in combat is a heartless and ruthless thing to do.

@Jessica: You don't have an enemy with me as I agree with you. I see the hypocritical people saying one thing to us vets and another to people who they disagree with. It never amazes me how many "loopholes" (as you put it) are available to someone if they agree with you. If not , then they sentence you to hell without considering their own sins. I wish you and your wife well as I have nothing against your lifestyle or choices.

Murder is a legal term, not a biblical one. The commandment was not changed to "Thou shall not murder" until the King James version of the bible was printed. Murder is illegal in this country, abortion is not.

U.S. soldiers are people who VOLUNTEER to invade and occupy small foreign countries. Many of them are into hunting, violent video games and other love of violence. The WikiLeaks videos show our military boys whooping it up as they shot unarmed civilians, like it was a sport. The U.S. military absolutely does train soldiers to be conscienceless killers, to be the foot soldiers of the empire. So when people already known to be attracted to violence do violence against civilians, their family and others, there is no surprise, only sadness.

Abortion prevents unwanted people from being born and growing up to become murders. So, therefore, abortion is like anti-murder.

How did a post about a sentence that made no sense the way it was written start an argument by 19 people, not one of whom apparently noticed that it didn't make any sense? And attacking the military, abortion, etc? WTF are you people talking about?!?

It looks like they proofread and edited it, so all is well.

And why, precisely, would you think that her husband had something to do with it?

Slandering and convicting someone of a crime in the court of public opinion should carry the same penalty as the actual crime.

She was going out lte with other people, was having people over late at night, instead of it being the husband having something to do with it could it have just been she broke it off with Perez s she was moving back to her parents?

Noise,

So, leading up to the OJ trial you are saying you never expressed an opinion of him being guilty? But then about 90% of the entire country did. So, by your "logic", we execute over 200 million Americans. Your post may be the most stupid I've ever read.

What "beans" is he going to spill on Cory? Even if Cory specifically ASKED Perez to kill her, Perez is still the killer. He would have to prove that Cory PAID him to kill her for Cory to be in legal trouble.

Asking someone to kill your wife is a crime, and there does not have to be money exchanged. However, I don't think the husband is involved.

do you know what sound a turd makes going threw a fan??????????????????? mmmmmmmaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*through (dumbass)

DigitalNoise "And why, precisely, would you think that her husband had something to do with it?"

serioulsy, do you you have reading comprehension issues? He posted this:

"She died less than a week after filing for divorce from Lance Cpl. Cory Killgore"

Thank Jebus the detectives are more thorough than you, and are no doubt exploring the hit for hire possibility...given the fact that she died less than a week after filing for divorce.

Oh sure, the timing might be purely coincidental...and there might really be pots of gold at the end of every rainbow too. there just might be, we never know.

Grammar - maybe he mistyped and ment to state that he threw it through a fan...nevermind, it wouldn't work. Agree with your comment in parens.

concisive ? The article had concinnity perhaps.

Suggested by the ex-husband and carried out by one of his "brother" marines who are willing to die for each other. That's my speculation!

Leroy, Obvisously you don't know much about military in general and the Marine Corps specifically. A Lance Corporal (E-3) is not likely to be close enough to a Staff Sergeant (E-6) to ask him to off his wife. Marines are VERY STRICT when it comes to fraternization. If the Staff Sergeant killed her, then he probably did it because she was having an affair with him and broke it off. Also, the MSNBC article is wrong. It said that it is unclear if Perez and Lopez knew each other. If you read the article liked above it said that Lopez lived in the same house with Perez's girlfriend, that both Perez and his girlfriend were into S&M. Perez claimed to be a slave master and his girlfriend claiming to be an "alpha slave to Perez, with two other slaves." My guess the other two were Lopez and the victim.

@raddave44, thanks for bringing this information to the table. msnbc gave its edited version once again, which muddied the waters. I think what you are believing may have happened is probably somewhere closer to the truth. And just to make it clear to some other posters, just because someone was in the military doesn't make them a killer. I would be pretty confident in betting money that more crimes resulting in fatality in the United States are committed by people with no military experience than with military experience. Don't fear what you don't know. Just because you were afraid to serve, don't be afraid of those who did.

I beg your pardon. Concinnity would make more sense.

Not in the sentence used "Nice concinnity article?" Concise was the word. You changed the sentence structure to allow "concinnity." Lol, let's fight about this!

Thank you Leroy - keep up the good fight for all of us.

I think you're going to find the deployed husband had nothing to do with this. Apparently this was a troubled lady that connected with the man and woman in custody through a sadomasochistic sex slave website. Obviously something went really wrong, she was divorcing her husband while he's serving our country (a despicable act, IMO ), and she was getting ready to return home to PA. When she disappeared, she was wearing an evening gown, and had told her family she was going on a cruise with this couple. At the last minute, the lady of the couple backed out. Next thing you know, we have a dead woman.

MSNBC should have done a little research before they presented this woefully scant bit of information. It's sloppy journalism.

Yes, MSNBC got lazy with this article and expected people to click on the link to the original article. They could have just copied and pasted the article, but I guess they had to justify hiring the writer of this "article."

From a Veteran get a clue. Most men in the military have more discipline than any college graduate. We have more training and more practical knowledge in any career field than a college graduate. And we put ourselves in danger so you can post garbage like this. Next time you exercise your freedom of speech think about that especially when targeting and slandering those protecting your rights.

That's right hun, sit in mommy's basement spewing your nasty opinions while real men and women put their lives on the line to be sure you have the right to do so. Nothing like spineless idiots calling those who have the guts to stand up thugs. I'm not surprised either.

Signed by a mommy of a Marine. Oh and if you feel froggy come on up to Iowa's southern border and tell me where to meet you, and I'll show you what kind of woman it takes to raise a Marine. Duty, Honor, Respect. Semper Fidelis OOH RAH

The Bill of Rights you reference are not protected by the military. The Bill of Rights protect civilians from the military. The military does the bidding of the federal gov't much of which is not in the best interest of anyone but the military and its corporate suppliers.

upright1 you are uptight. Not everyone worships the agents and actors involved in state-sponsored violence.

That Bill of Rights wouldn't still be here to state your rights if our soldiers weren't here to protect it. My grandfathers and one grandmother put their lives on the line in Germany, Poland, England and France to protect that Bill of Rights you like to refer to, and their granddaughter and great-grandson stepped up and volunteered too. What did you do? Do you even do anything to demand that those rights be protected from our own government? Or do you hide in your basement behind you computer spewing garbage without the guts to back it up? MY face is on here, if one of my commanders sees something they don't like, it's easy for them to find me, I don't hide because I am not a coward. I stand and fight when I believe in something and I always will, will you? Soldiers volunteer to do what needs done, they may not like it, but they do it, even when everyone else hates them for it. Sometimes the right thing is the hard thing. Too bad so many of the ones who benefit from it don't realize it.

Choose correct words next time DOU...the Bill of Rights protects the citizen from unjust decisions made by government, state and federal, not the military, and was also written to be a direct contradiction of the laws under the Royal Crown..a "freer" society, if you will, than before...these are the things the forefathers and most early Americans felt were lacking and oppressed back in Ye Olde Country.

Sometimes some people really need to stop BEFORE they get ahead of themselves, DOU...

I'll give a reference too for you...

http:// mrkash.com/activities/billofrightsexplained. html

DOU=Westboro POS

@atonyharding - I have many, many friends who have fought in our military and I have the highest respect for them having the courage to do so. However, I have known more scumbags that have come out of the Marines than any other branch. They have the mentality that they are better than any other American just because the were in the marines. I'm sorry, but they are no better than a person from the army, navy, air force, coast guard, or even a civilian. I have always believed/assumed ALL men are created equal.

I have known eagle scouts with better: discipline, moral conduct, attitude, and respect for others than most "young" marines I have met. Sure marines might have discipline, however the only people they respect or show that discipline towards are people with a higher rank than them, within the marines. The reason I say "young" is because most marine veterans I personally know (who act like this) are between the ages of 20-40. Marine veterans that I have met that are from the ages of 40-90 are very respectable people.

Also, I graduated from college and took a combat memoirs class. We interviewed veterans from WWII to today and sent the video to the library of congress so their stories will be remembered forever... but I suppose us college graduates have no respect or discipline towards military veterans.

@ upright1 - You are absolutely right, military veterans have fought to protect are freedoms. However, there are have only been a few wars where our freedoms were actually jeopardized. I'm not naive, I know that if we did not have a military then we would be opening the doors to invaders.

Nonetheless, there are other countries with far more freedoms than us and they do not go to war as often as we do. I am not blaming the military for our wars though, I am blaming the rich fat politicians who misuse the military so they can fill their own pockets. Why is it that the United States cannot go 10 years without having to invade, attack, or provoke a war. It seems each generation has to have "their" war. My whole point is that I am very grateful for the men and women of are military however most wars we have been in are not protecting our freedoms; they are only filling pockets.

DOU, since both marines in the story were still in the marines, they were employed.

Andy Huffer- Juvenile name calling such as Westboro POS makes you appear to be a mental midget. Armed force the gov't has threatened to use and has used against the public has come the US military. Everything else you posted is just vainglory. The military has been given the ability- the heinous DAA- to arrest US citizens on US soil. The Bill of Rights is essential in this line of defense against military fascism.

DOU44. by your command of the language, I would hazard a guess that you aren't from around these parts. Somewhere with a warm climate, middle East by chance?

Billie, since it likely occurred off post, it would be tried in a civilian court.

upright1, you are the one who is spewing garbage from your basement computer. You truly believe that going to Iraq was the right thing? You are willing to let your child die for business interest likes of Cheney and Bush. Twisted mind.

Gov't vainglory is irrational and highly emotional. If one is wrapped up in State golorification, one canot see the fallacies of it.

Let's not leave out the fact that she was probably cheating on her husband while he served over seas like a lot of military wives do. Her kinky hetero / lesbo sex adventures got her killed sadly. Don't just blame this on violent men;which is a problem. You must also include women in this great American society,who have the freedom,unlike those "oppressed" women in Afghanistan, to cheat on their husbands with scum because they feel liberated and have the right to engage in hot dirty sex whenever they want it. Unfortunately they have to pay the price when things go wrong just like men. Sorry ladies, equality is a b!tch.

@ Are You Really That Dumb? - I do not think an adulterer should be punished by murder. Maybe divorce but not murder.

And don't get me wrong, I hate to see young women go out and engage in "kinky hetero / lesbo sex adventures" or "hot dirty sex" however I strongly believe and know that men commit these acts more often than women do. Do they get murdered for it? Nope, women divorce them and take half or sometimes more than half. Which I believe is a more justifiable punishment.

@ Are You Really That Dumb? - And don't act like there has never been a married military man who has not stayed faithful to his wife while over seas. I have heard many, many stories of military men engaging in "hot dirty sex" with natives from all over the world. But I guess since they are in the military they have the "God" given right to sleep with every girl in every nation they go to. While their wives or girlfriends MUST remain faithful.

You can really blow it out your ass about how this, or any other @!$%#ty story, reflects on all men somehow. Any "man" is rightfully as horrified by this kind of garbage as any woman is.

There is nothing to think about, you dimmwit.

Any "Marine" who thinks like that is an embarassment to the Corps.

Yours is a question the state violence glorifiers won't answer. They can only respond to it with emotional irrationality.

Or Perez wanted her and she said no!

Well considering she was last seen in an evening gown going on a date with Perez I would assume you're wrong.

"irreconcilable differences" is the only divorce in California, meaning it only has "no fault divorces."

Uhm, military members are also citizens. I think the term you are searching for is civilians.

Terry, it still takes physical evidence to convict someone.