This so-called "show your papers law" as MSNBC termed requires NOTHING different than EXISTING FEDERAL LAW, which requires that foreign nationals have proof of their authorization to be in the United States ALL THE TIME!

Let's hope the United States Supreme Court rules on the side of the law and against the Obama Administration (for which I voted in '08), which has sought to subvert federal law. A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!

If the Supreme Court is consistent, it will rule in favor of the rule of law. In 2005, in an unanimous decision (9-0), the United States Supreme Court held in Muehler v. Mena, 544 U.S. 93 (2005) that state officers have the authority to ask individuals about their immigration status even ABSENT any reasonable suspicious of unlawful conduct. The Arizona law requires that state officers have more (an actual reasonable suspicion) than that which the Supreme Court has already ruled is legally required. Further, the Arizona law only permits immigration inquiry pursuant to a lawful stop.

In United States v. Vasquez-Alvarez, 176 F.3d 1294 (10th Cir. 1999), the Tenth Circuit held that "state law-enforcement officers have the general authority to investigate and make arrests for violations of federal immigraiton laws."

Further, in 2011, the United States Supreme Court in Chamber of Commerce v. Whiting, 131 S.Ct. 1968 (2011), upheld Arizona's law requring businesses within the state to use E-verify and also authorized the revocation of business licenses for businesses that are found to have violated the law by hiring ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS.

The Democrats don't want illegals to vote per se, but many of their relatives in this country are citizens. That's the vote they're courting.

Or the vote they think they're courting anyway. I've read in several places how Hispanic Americans aren't any happier about illegal immigrants than the rest of us.

Why does Obama want illegals here? The only way democrats hold power is to control peoples lives. Hows that turned out for African-Americans since they started voting democrat in the early 60s, total destruction for them! Now they need another race to enslave, because they can't possibly take care of themselves can they? Latinos should be very afraid of democrats they want there souls and not for the better!

Totally agree Seven2Seven--- We should never have enagaged in foreign conflicts (e.g., the invasion of Iraq) which were totally unnecessary and unjustified. We should have utilized those resources to enforce our own laws, protect our borders, and deport ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS. Then, we would have saved hundreds of billions in additional dollars from the extraordinary burdens imposed by ILLEGALS upon American taxpayer resources!

Yes it would be wonderful and great timing for the SCOTUS to push back on the Administration, to say hey guess what We are the Judicial body that decides if a law is Constitutional.

Axelrod doesn't have any power he is a talking head that's all and so far nothing the man has said makes any sense.

Uphold the current laws, stop trying to circumvent the SCOTUS. Start playing ball and get this country headed in the right direction. Otherwise all of you will be joining the unemployment line.

Should this law get shot down then all the states should stop enforcing Fed. laws and use the money saved to better their states in other ways. The Fed. is effectivly discriminating when they pick and choose who to enforce a law against. When obama gave some states waivers from his obama care he in effect conducted State discrimination. When it comes to laws what's good for one is good for ALL. Stop the discrimination obama!.

We should have used the stimulus monies for border fences. We were attacked by terrorists whose base was in Afghanistan. Bubba clinton, hillary, reid, pelosi and just about everybody else said obama hussein...sorry, saddam hussein was a threat to nat'l security and he had WMD's.

1.7 trillion would have built one helluva fence and created a lot more jobs than so called "green" jobs that fall to the wayside every friggin day.

Seven2Seven,

If we toke a fraction of the 6.2 trillion dollars the current administration has spent it could have been resolved as well.

Of course that 6.2 trillion has been added in less than 4 years which by the way is more than all Presidents combined from Washington to Clinton. And it represents a 62% increase in less than 4 years. Unemployment still high, banks got bailed out, automotive got bailed out, more people on food stamps than there ever has been in history. USA rating downgraded. Dollars printed almost as fast as they can spend them and no budget in 1000 days.

So before you think about raising anyone's taxes, you better get a budget passed and i don't mean month to month. If that's the case then America should be able to vote month to month.

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I agree, but if they are not doing their sworn duties of upholding the laws then that is a breach of the Constitution and they should all be booted.

John while I agree with you that we must ensure that rights are not violated in exchange for security, we have the MOST GENEROUS IMMIGRATION LAWS IN TH WORLD (permitting 1 MILLION LEGAL immigrants into the U.S. every year). However, the Arizona law only requires that state officials enforce the equivalent of EXISTING federal law--- this does not violate anyone's rights--- it's already the law and has been for decades! If someone believes they have been wrongly targeted, they should sue!

The reality is that enforcemnt of our MOST-GENEROUS-IN-THE-WORLD immigration laws is necessary because we cannot afford the hundreds of billions of dollars imposed upon the American taxpayers by ILLEGALS every year!

Exactly Angelica. All through our days we are asked for Legal ID. Whether it's to cash a check, or open a new account or pay for something. Many retailers ask for photo ID when using a credit card. If you are stopped for a traffic violation, you are asked for your ID.

I don't see the problem with this. The feds are not doing their job in enforcing the laws of Illegals. We need to stop the flow coming in. We need to fine those companies who hire them. There are plenty of welfare recipients and unemployed people to do the jobs the Illegals are doing.

Most people carry ID. I dont see the problem with showing it to vote either,unless your into voter fraud.

The influx of illegals from Mexico occurred during the bush43 administration. The reason, bush41 and bush43 are both on the Board of Directors for Carlisle Corporation, a Saudi Arabian Company. They had invested billions into Hispanic tv and radio and they needed to increase its circulation. So, bush43 allowed millions and millions of illegals Mexicans into the USA so that distribution increased across the country.

Obama said immigration laws are rightfully set be the federal government, too bad they're not rightfully enforced by the federal government.

The problem Janine is not that they have to show ID when they are stopped. The problem is that if they are suspected of being illegal they are stopped. You cannot enact a law that gives law enforcement an open door like that. Who is to say that you are not stopped and detained because you are 'suspected' of being an illegal? Not because you broke the law, but because you are suspected of breaking the law.

There would be no problem if they continued enforcing the laws and holding illegals the same as they have always done. However, you cannot start to treat every person like a criminal until they are proven innocent.

I agree that you stop people from hiring them and they will stop coming. They don't come here to live off of the state, they can't. They come here because companies are hiring them.

The facts won't matter. It will be another snappy 5-4 decision. I wonder how Clarence and Ginny Thomas made a profit on this one?

What do you guys have against undocumented democrats aliens?

AngelicaS

Yes, case law exists and does support Az's current position - which mirrors the Federal law. I am intimately aware of the immigrations problems Az. has faced. My involvement begins back in 1973 when I was a Deputy Sheriff with the Pima County Sheriffs Dept under Sheriff Cox. Then Tucson was experiencing a serious illegal immigrant "invasion" from Mexico - on any given day we were able to apprehend many illegals and turn them over to immigration authorities who would transport them back to the boarder. We would see the same individuals within a matter of a few weeks to a few days. They were damaging the local job market and local economy and creating more criminal activity - we also saw large amounts of illegal drugs coming with them across the boarder. And I am sure this problem has only gotten worse since then. I no longer live in Tucson, but I have friends who do and they assure me it is worse and the criminal activity has gotten much worse/violent, also. Back then the Federal government did not contribute much in the way of support, either.

The current administration has also refused to act decisively on this issue and has actually refused, in many other instances, to even enforce certain Federal Laws on the book. The President AND his administration swore to uphold the laws of the United States and the Constitution - no matter their personal/political belief. However, I see with this current administration that they have refused to enforce federal laws that, in effect, would be politically dangerous for them and would harm their position with certain blocks of potential voters who would not approve. There is a process in place that could be used to "eliminate" laws that have shown to be offensive/anti-productive/discriminatory etc, to the majority of all American voters/citizens, however, it is not being used - in favor of just ignoring them and picking and choosing which to enforce which seems to be the most expedient and politically pleasing way to this administration.

I don't care if the president is a Democrat. Republican, left, right, black, white or green.....this person is not the right one for the job of POTUS! He has put his own personal career and political party ahead of the will of the people and his oath to us. He has been derelict in his duty and forgotten has the meaning of the words contained in the Oath Of Office he swore to uphold when he became president.

stewgotts...Obama has stepped up deporting illegals convicted of crimes unrelated to immigration law violations. Do you know why? Because he thinks we are fools. The easily fooled actually think he is doing something when what he's doing doesn't put a dent in the problem. On the other hand, groups like La Raza, Mecha and LULAC can't complain because he is targeting criminals who happen to also be illegals.

The few raids we see here and there of employers is all for show, all smoke and mirrors. You will know any elected official is serious about illegal immigration when they start actively cracking down on those who hire illegals.

this is not just a immigration policy, it is a law enforcement policy; a person is arrested, goes to jail, judge sets a bond, cannot ask if person is a illegal entry, if illegal he just gets on bond, and takes off for his home country; the federal law on the books NOW, gives the law enforcement authority's federal, state and local, the duty to determine a inquiry into the status of a person being detained, arrest booking sheets, name, dob,residence, race, resident , citizen, place of birth; how the heck is law enforcement to know who they are dealing with , if you cannot find out if person is illegally in the country.

I understand their plight. But economically, illegals are killing us. Why should we as a country have to fork out hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars to illegals through health care, lost jobs, lost taxes and ect...

When a company hires an illegal this is what happens. The person who once had the job ( US citizen) was making enough money to afford a house, car and so one. But when an illegal takes that persons job for way less money. The citizen has to find work for way less than they were already making. Losing homes to foreclosure. Losing vehicles. Schools losing teachers because of budget, police, and firemen being let go because a community can not afford them because of other unnecessary cost from illegals. And the businesses who hire them. large company or not, should be fined so heavily that they won't even attempt it. And another violation the business owner loses business and fined. To hire an illegal drives the local economy down.

@capitalismkillsbirthrates - Can you tell me how Jesus referred to the Syrophoenician woman in Matthew 15? Didn't he call her a "dog" since she was a foreigner? The term "illegal" hardly seems out of his vocabulary.

If someone is stopped by the police, the police will ask for id, like always.

If no id can be offered then the officer will ask for a name and address to run through their database.

if you are not in the data base, you are either lying to the officer of are not a recognized resident of the country.

NO PROFILING NEEDED TO ENFORCE THE LAW.

The People created the State, and the State created the federal government. The "created" NEVER has more power than the CREATOR...

Unless it has been contracted otherwise, the State CAN enforce "immigration" type laws if they are being invaded by individuals who are not citizens of the Several States of the Union. If Arizona has its arguments in order, they should easily win this nonsensical case...

Look at all these Mexicans who are marching and demonstrating...........must be nice not to have to go to work and just feed off of the US resources meant to feed the American poor.

The states have every right to enact and enforce immigration laws and this authority is specifically authorized by congress. The following is the appropriate excerpt from the Federal immigration and nationality act:

Federal immigration and nationality act

Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. There is no extant federal limitation on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws. Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrantless interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior; dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship; and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens.

It is painfully obvious to all that Obama will not enforce this countries laws and will go to any length and engage in any chicanery to ensure no one else does either since this assault on Arizona's law is not about profiling or discrimination or any of the other BS issues they bring up. It is all about something no one has mentioned and I won't mention it either, at this time.

At another time in this country's history this would be grounds for immediate impeachment, but not today since the Marxists/Socialists own the government and with few exceptions, the media.

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Robert, if you are suspected of being a criminal you will be stopped and investigated. That means showing your identification. If they have nothing to hide, I don't see what the problem is.

It is legal for the border patrol to stop and question ANYONE within 25 miles of the border. They have stopped this blond haired green eyed non hispanic twice in 30 years. I also have to answer the question of are you a US citizen? Where were you born? and Do you have an ID? everytime I go north from where I live. It is a fact of life where I live. I don't see the problem. My DL required proof of US citizenship or legal residency and biometrically encoded thumprints. My state can afford that but Napolitano said today that is too expensive for the federal government. What are they doing with all the money they get from us?

Finally a win for America and it's taxpayers despite all efforts by Obama and pathetic "yes-men" Democrats who would further vanquish the nation and future generations for a chance at their own short-term personal political power.

After the court gives it's ruling let the impeachment and treason trials begin of all public officials who refuse to support the laws and citizens of the country they were elected to serve.

Pew Research Center has come to the conclusion that the number of people illegally present in the country is declining, in large part because of deportations, so how on Earth can you suggest that the laws are not being enforced?

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/2250/mexican-immigration-immigrants-illegal-border-enforcement-deportations-migration-flows

Rod_Father

The influx of illegals from Mexico occurred during the bush43 administration. The reason, bush41 and bush43 are both on the Board of Directors for Carlisle Corporation, a Saudi Arabian Company. They had invested billions into Hispanic tv and radio and they needed to increase its circulation. So, bush43 allowed millions and millions of illegals Mexicans into the USA so that distribution increased across the country.

I agree with Rod Father. Why don't viners understand that we are in this situation because of Bush? Not enough people realize that this is Bush's fault.

Stewgotts said:

....What the hell does that mean "suspected of being a criminal?" What does a criminal look like? You are missing the point. You have to only be suspected of being an illegal, not a theif. Meaning anyone of Hispainc origin could be considered suspicious of being a criminal and stopped. What if you don't have your ID? I don't carry my wallet to walk the dog or run down the street to my brother's house.

Thank you! See this from an AP article:

Christopher Zambrano was biking home on the 79th Street Causeway near North Bay Village when one of several men in black clothes riding in an SUV ordered him to stop. As he got off his bicycle, Zambrano heard the man ask for his papers.

“I said, ‘What do you mean papers?’ He said ‘ID.’ I told him I had nothing on me, not even a driver’s license, because I don’t have a car.” As the man asked if he was legally in the country, more men clad in black converged on the scene in other SUVs near a bus stop on the eastbound lanes of a bridge linking Miami and North Bay Village. Zambrano said he was a citizen, but the men who detained him refused to release him.

They summoned a Miami-Dade police officer who then transported Zambrano to jail because he had an outstanding warrant for driving with an expired license in 2008. Zambrano has a U.S. passport and a birth certificate issued in Atlanta, where he was born of a Guatemalan father and an Irish-Polish mother. However, he was not carrying those documents when he was detained on June 7.

And from another article:

Hans Joachim Keil was arrested in Dutton in September and accused of being an illegal alien. He was an official representative of Samoa, a current Member of Parliament and a prominent businessman with many family links. He had diverted to Missouri on the way home from trade talks in Brussels where he represented Samoa. “They were going to lock me up for five years plus five years. Five years for impersonating a US citizen and five years for using an illegal US passport. On the day of my arrest when I brought to their attention, that I served in the US military … they threw that out the window and said that I’m an illegal alien and I have no right to be in the United States. They knew I was a Samoan diplomat but they had no regard for my diplomatic passport.”

And this (how do you mistake a Brooklyn accent for a foreign one?):

Houston chef Leonard Robert Parrish, 52, ran afoul of a law intended for illegal immigrants. The Brooklyn-born Parrish went down to the Harris County Sheriff's Office in September to clear up a problem over a couple of bounced checks. He wound up in jail on immigration charges. He was strip-searched and spent 12 hours in custody. "The deputy told me I had a foreign accent," Parrish recalled. "I told him I had an East Coast accent. He said, 'It sounds like a foreign accent to me.'" A 2008 Texas law required a person's citizenship status be linked to his driver's license. A sheriff's deputy told Parrish he was detained because when they ran his driver's license information through their computer, it said that his citizenship status was 'unknown.' "I served on a murder jury in Texas and they can't find out I'm a citizen?" asked Parrish.

And this one (he had ID and they never bothered to check it):

Ernesto Galarza, a New Jersey-born U.S. citizen of Puerto Rican descent who was held illegally for three days in the Lehigh County Prison. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents ordered his detention, erroneously believing he was an undocumented immigrant from the Dominican Republic. Galarza’s Social Security card and Pennsylvania driver’s license were in his wallet at the time of his arrest and in the prison’s possession during his detention. “I was shocked and upset that they assumed I am an immigrant. No one bothered to check or ask me about it. It’s clear that they only reason they decided I’m Dominican is because I’m Latino,” said Galarza. “I was born in New Jersey, and I’m a proud American. This isn’t how Americans should be treated. It’s like getting slapped in the face."

This is the Federal Government problem with portion of the law. There's not enough protection for those who ARE LEGAL.

it appears from the court watchers, that the major part of the Arizona law will be held constitutional, as a law enforcement matter; many in the legal community agree, Holder our attorney general was way off base, and so was his boss.

So Obama's argument of "The states have no right to have immigration laws because it's a Federal issue, even though I choose not to enforce the Federal laws" didn't impress the SCOTUS?

Finally, some common sense prevails.

It looks like 0 - 2 for Obama's policies so far.

This is actually an opportunity for Romney to court the Hispanic voters with his own commitment to pass a 'fair and compassionate' immigration policy - being purposefully vague, like Obama was in 2008.

Interestingly, it was only under a Republican President (Reagan 1986) that a meaningful immigration reform was passed - the same law that Obama refuses to enforce.

I have no problem with immigration as long as it is legal immigration. As far as having to show identification I was always taught to have an ID on me at all times because the police have the right to ask for it. When I travel outside the country I always have my passport with me because you can be asked for identification. The only reason congress has been turning a blind eye is that corporations don't want the laws followed because then they would be forced to pay legal wages and lose their slave labor.

As I read the article, it all seems like common sense. If someone is stopped or arrested for breaking the law, it doesn't seem unreasonable to check to see if that someone is a citizen of the US or of some other country.

It also makes sense that it should not be illegal to look for work if you are here illegally. I mean, by definition you are ALREADY here illegally, then EVERYTHING you do is in a sense illegal. I would say that it SHOULD be illegal to hire someone who is not legal, but I believe it already REALLY is (even if it is not enforced). Any time I have hired employees, there is a list of documents they need to bring (SS card, I-9 form, green card, etc) to prove that they can be legally hired.

This seems to me like a pretty apolitical approach to the case (I mean, even liberal justices are crossing lines of political correctness to side with the constitution here. Amazing!)

For Washington, immigration is essentially a political issue. Democrats don't want to lose the hispanic vote, so they take a position based on that (plus they know lots of illegals vote, and they don't vote republican!) For Arizona, however, immigration is a very REAL issue. The schools must deal with the flow of children who shouldn't legally be there. THe hospitals must treat and absorb the extra costs. The public safety nets have been strained to the breaking point. Even public safety is threatened as large swaths of border area have been deemed "unsafe" for US citizens. The states have every right to act, IMO, to protect their borders and their citizens. Let's hope the SCOTUS sees this and agrees.

I can't wait to hear Dictator B.O.'s whining when he learns yet again that America is not going to be as easily destroyed as he hoped.

Just out of curiosity, do we impeach the other 4 judges too?

And could you tell me how the states enforcing federal law is unconstitutional?

If a local cop caught a kidnapper, should he say "Oops, kidnapping is a federal offense, have a good day sir, and be on your way."

Arizona simply wants to do the job of enforcing federal law. They wouldn't be seeking this permission if Washington was doing their job of securing the border, instead of just talking a good game. But rest assured the Democrats in Congress will have no part of any Supreme Court decision in favor of Arizona, and Senator Chuck Schumer has the bill ready to go and Obama has pledged to sign it into law. Funny really, that the Democrats would push a bill that forbids Arizona from doing the job the Federal government refuses to do. What is the Obama argument, that it is our job, and some day we might decide to do it?

It couldn't have been said better than the man with the sign. "Thank You Arizona!" Now, more states can enact similar legislation due to the fact that our incompetent Federal Government will not uphold current federal immigration laws.

Current laws need to be enforced and strengthened. The biggest thing that needs to be eliminated is the anchor baby rule. No one born in the United States to parents that are not citizens should be given citizenship. Its totally ridiculous as millions of illegals are coming here to download a baby. The U.S. is the only country in the world that allows this. Canada eliminated their anchor baby rule ages ago because they were being invaded by Chinese immigrants doing the same thing. The result of the anchor baby being a citizen?-- When they are 18 years old (possibly 21- not sure which), they can then sponsor their whole extended family to become citizens. Its an invasion, folks. Call your Congressmen and demand that this stops.

This is a bit strange... I read above from the Neutrality Act: "violators of federal immigration statutes"... worth repeating "federal immigration statutes", so federal laws. This doesn't empower states to create their own...

From the U.S. Constitution, Article 1, Section 8

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

And the definition of Naturalization:

The process under federal law whereby a foreign-born person may be granted
citizenship. In order to qualify for naturalization, an applicant must meet a
number of statutory requirements, including those related to residency,
literacy, and education, as well as an exhibition of "good moral character" and
a demonstration of an attachment to constitutional principles upon which the
United States is based.

Looking like the Court is going to hand Obama a tough summer. It will be interesting to see what happens to his support when they Approve SB1070 and Shoot down Obama Care in the same month!

The state appeared to have a tougher time defending two other provisions of the law that are now blocked: making it a (1) state crime to have no federal immigration papers and making it a (2) state crime for an illegal immigrant to look for work. Neither is currently a federal crime.

What ? It is OK for an Illegal Alien (Immigration) to (1) NOT have proper immigration papers and to (2) be able to look for work even though they are in the United States ILLEGALLY ???? And that is OK with the Feds and these folks have not violated Federal Immigration Laws ?

Yeah, right. The Federal government has nothing in the Federal Immigration Laws which require immigrants within the U.S. to NOT have proper documentation and the Illegal immigrant(s) are allowed to look for work.

The Fed is a frigging joke.

Sheeeesh, Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) are just that.....ILLEGAL. Anyone entering the United States MUST HAVE PROPER Federal immigration documentation, therefore if they cannot produce proper Federal immigration documentation indicating they are in the United States LEGALLY, then they are ILLEGAL and should not be considered for ANY job(s)....plain and simple.

Now we need to impeach Obama for refusing to uphold the Constitution he swore to uphold when he took the oath of office. I know, it won't happen for the same reason the Senate didn't impeach Clinton for perjury after the House of Representatives impeached him.

What we can do is VOTE OBAMA OUT OF OFFICE in November. Encourage everyone you know to get out and vote. Donate to the Romney campaign as well. And, never vote for a third party candidate; it will just help Obama win.

Why does Obama want illegals here?

Votes.

LadyCat said:

I have no problem with immigration as long as it is legal immigration. As far as having to show identification I was always taught to have an ID on me at all times because the police have the right to ask for it.

My parents didn't tell me I was adopted before they passed away in a car accident,so when ICE came to me 18 years later asking for that paper because they lost it, I had no idea what they were talking about so was declared undocumented and illegal despite having a legal BC, DL, and SS card.

I'm a naturalized citizen now. After spending three years in a deportation camp writing letters to every courthouse in three states trying to find that adoption paper, I now have the privilege of finally having a home country again and being able to (proudly) call myself an American without being slapped or kicked by a deportation camp guard. I am not required to carry my naturalization certificate around with me--it is an 8/12 x 11 sheet of green paper with my photo stapled to it and the Pledge of Allegiance printed on it.

If I were to be stopped and a police officer were to ask that I show it to him, what are my guarantees that the officer isn't going to decide he does not like me, tear up my certificate, and take me in for not having it? I can tell the officers at the station that I had it the officer tore it up, who would believe me? This law shift the burden of proof (innocent until proven guilty) onto the detainee (you're guilty of being an illegal until YOU prove you're innocent.)

If I am required to show it to EVERY law enforcement officer who asks for it, who's to say that cop won't be corrupt, take it, sell it on the black market to have forgeries made of it? What's my guarantee that that uniformed officer isn't just a police imposter and I could then be arrested for not having paers when I report the theft to a real officer?

And my number one reason for not wanting to carry it around with me--IT WILL COST $600 AND TAKE THREE YEARS TO GET ANOTHER ONE! I think most people would not be so casual about showing your drivers' license to every Tom, Dick and Harry who asks for it if it cost you $600 to replace and you could not work for three years until you got another one!!!

And yes, you can show your DL and SS card to the cop when stopped. Where's the guarantee that the officer is going to check?

Ernesto Galarza, a New Jersey-born U.S. citizen of Puerto Rican descent who was held illegally for three days in the Lehigh County Prison. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents ordered his detention, erroneously believing he was an undocumented immigrant from the Dominican Republic. Galarza’s Social Security card and Pennsylvania driver’s license were in his wallet at the time of his arrest and in the prison’s possession during his detention. “I was shocked and upset that they assumed I am an immigrant. No one bothered to check or ask me about it. It’s clear that they only reason they decided I’m Dominican is because I’m Latino,” said Galarza. “I was born in New Jersey, and I’m a proud American. This isn’t how Americans should be treated. It’s like getting slapped in the face."

Currently if a cop stops and asks for documentation, it takes 90 minutes to call the information of the driver in to Central, someone calls USCIS to check, then USCIS checks and calls central and Central calls the officer back. The person stopped has to wait (on the other hand, you now have a good excuse for being late to work.) The officer who stopped the person will have to wait. They can't leave until the call is cleared even if another person drives by doing 120mph. It's going to tie up a lot of resources.

Most cops are good people. I know many from my time selling coffee and doughnuts to them nights at the local convenience store. Some are not--I know several who don't like me (one who called me a chink when I told him we ran out of his favorite flavor of coffee.) If that one who called me a chink stopped me, do you think he MIGHT tear up my naturalization certificate and pull me in because he doesn't like the fact that I'm Asian? (This officer lost his father in the Korean War so I understand his prejudice even though I don't agree with it.)

I just want to comment on something that has been stated earlier by John and others. "Will white people have their "papers" checked?" The answer is Yes, Absolutely. When the police officer asks for your license, guess what, you had to go to the DOR/DMV etc. and prove that you deserved a drivers license. Those are your "papers." So it is not really racist to ask someone for their drivers license. You can in some instances get a drivers license to drive in America without actually being American. So if a person is here legally and driving legally, they are absolutely fine. If they are not here legally. That is when they have to work. It works the same whether they are immigrating from europe or mexico or china. Doesn't matter.

Ido said:

Sheeeesh, Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) are just that.....ILLEGAL. Anyone entering the United States MUST HAVE PROPER Federal immigration documentation, therefore if they cannot produce proper Federal immigration documentation indicating they are in the United States LEGALLY, then they are ILLEGAL and should not be considered for ANY job(s)....plain and simple.

Except that not all 'illegals' came here illegally. Not all 'illegals' even actually ARE illegal.

According to her birth certificate, Diane Williams was born in Metairie, La., on Aug. 23, 1974. So Williams was shocked on Jan. 18 when, hours after she was released from a Houston jail on prostitution charges, immigration agents showed up at her apartment and arrested her, saying she was an illegal. "I had a copy of my birth certificate, but they said they didn't know if it was real or not," she said. On Feb. 9, she was deported to Honduras, where she spent nearly two months. Eventually, the U.S. Embassy in Tegucigalpa issued Williams a temporary passport, after her mother sent documents proving her identity.

Mark Lyttle, a U.S. citizen of Puerto Rican descent with mental disabilities who was wrongfully deported to Mexico in 2008. Lyttle’s entanglement with immigration authorities began when he was about to be released from a North Carolina jail where he was serving a short sentence for inappropriately touching a worker's backside in a halfway house that serves individuals with mental disorders. Despite having ample evidence that Lyttle was a U.S. citizen – including his social security number, the names of his parents, his sworn statements that he was born in the United States and criminal record checks – officials from the North Carolina Department of Correction referred him to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) as an undocumented immigrant whose country of birth was Mexico. Lyttle had never been to Mexico, shared no Mexican heritage, spoke no Spanish and did not claim to be from Mexico.

Here's someone who served in our Armed Forces honorably:

Mr. George Ibarra, 46, was born in Mexico but was raised since infancy in Arizona. In his late 20s he enlisted in the Marines and served three years on active duty, including time in Iraq, before being honorably discharged. On February 23, 2011 Department of Justice adjudicator Richard Phelps ruled in Eloy, Arizona that George Ibarra had by a preponderance of the evidence proven that he is indeed a citizen of the United States. Rather than apologize to Mr. Ibarra for previously wrongfully detaining him, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is holding Mr. Ibarra in solitary confinement at the Eloy Detention Center, in clear violation of the U.S. Constitution and a memorandum requiring Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to release anyone with "probative evidence" of U.S. citizenship.

Here's someone who ICE continued to hold as an illegal even after he PROVED he was a citizen.

The son of a decorated Vietnam veteran, Hector Veloz is a U.S. citizen, but in 2007 immigration officials mistook him for an illegal immigrant and locked him in an Arizona prison for 13 months. Veloz had to prove his citizenship from behind bars. An aunt helped him track down his father's birth certificate and his own, his parents' marriage certificate, his father's school, military and Social Security records. After nine months, a judge determined that he was a citizen, but immigration authorities appealed the decision. He was detained for five more months before he found legal help and a judge ordered his case dropped.

And here's one that's just plain wrong:

Lack of proper training of immigration inspectors resulted in their mistaken conclusion that Sharon McKnight’s passport was fraudulent. McKnight spent eight days in Jamaica before returning to New York. While there, her luggage, containing all her money, was stolen. Airport workers contributed money so she could reach family members. Once there, her mother flew to Jamaica from New York to take her case to the US consulate in Kingston. With the help of Rep. Michael Forbes (D-NY), consulate officials determined that the passport and birth certificate, which immigration officials had declared fraudulent, were in fact real, and established McKnight’s US citizenship.

This lady's father was born in Indiana and she's still 'illegal':

When Angela Boneva, a 34 year old went to renew her passport in 2003, the State Department told her she was no longer a citizen. Boneva's father was born in Indiana, and the US consulate in Bulgaria gave her U.S. citizenship while she was growing up in Bulgaria in 1981.The State Department said that an employee at the consulate broke a rule that required her father to have lived in the U.S. for 10 years before she was born, the Tribune reported. Her father had only lived in the U.S. for six years before his parents moved to Bulgaria.

Jeff Henderson

@capitalismkillsbirthrates - Can you tell me how Jesus referred to the Syrophoenician woman in Matthew 15? Didn't he call her a "dog" since she was a foreigner? The term "illegal" hardly seems out of his vocabulary.

You need to read verses 21 - 28 again. Your interpretation is totally wrong.

²¹Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon.

²²And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.

²³But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.

²⁴But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

²⁵Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

²⁶But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.

²⁷And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.

²⁸Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Amanda - since this was all done by the Feds, what is your point?

THANK YOU AZ!!!!! Kiss my ass libtards......

I notice the picture of the people milling around with signs calling for immigrant justice. What they really mean is amnesty.

I notice the picture of the people milling around with signs calling for immigrant justice. What they really mean is amnesty.

Admittedly I'm not milling around with a sign but I do support a fair and consistent immigration policy and DO NOT support amnesty. They are not mutually exclusive concepts.

Not just brown skin, yellow, red, white, and black. If you are here illegally, regardless of origin, GO HOME OR FACE THE CONSEQUENCES!

Those saying that illegals pay taxes. How? They don't have a social security number. Those numbers are consistantly tied to the IRS. What happens is that these "farmers" pay the workers with a check. The workers then go to the farmer's bank to withdraw the money in cash. No taxes were deducted at all. How do I know? I worked at the bank and saw it for myself. It made me sick.

Amanda, in every one of those cases the immigration law was not the problem - the people enforcing the laws were the problem.

There are plenty of horror stories of innocent folks being abused by authorities. I remember particularly well the story of a young bartender being assaulted by a drunk off-duty cop after he was refused more drinks. The whole thing was being swept under the rug until the very graphic security camera footage surfaced.

Still, the cop got much less prison time than any other guy would get for stomping on a girl half his size with the video proof to show the jury.

Illegal immigrants should be deported (without abuse or years in detention).

As far as the US citizens are concerned the current law is VERY clear: USICS (and ICE) has as much authority over US citizens as your local Walmart greeter. They are not even allowed to look funny at you.

Any citizen illegally detained by immigration authorities should be paid full restitution for any and all disruption of their lives.

However the actual practice fits into the trend of the authorities being less and less friendly towards the people living in the USA and those visiting as well. I am sorry for your (clearly illegal) detention and any abuse you suffered (which is also illegal).

While the intent of the AZ law is laudable, in actuality it provides a license for law enforcement to profile people who appear to be of Hispanic descent.

If the law stated that "The police officer is required to verify the citizenship of every individual that was stopped for violation of another law, then that would level the playing field. As the law stands now, it is up to the discretion of the law enforcement officer on the scene whether they are asking the person for proof of citizenship, legal status.

The only problem with the above scenario is this; How does a person who was born in these United States prove their citizenship as a matter of course during a traffic stop, etc?

I find it funny that people believe this is a liberal issue, it is not no President in resent years does anything on immigration. For fear of upsetting the Latino voters. The problem with states doing the enforcement is the abuse of power that historically follows such laws. That all being said if the state has E Verify and enforces and aggressively pursues charges on employers they will no longer have an illegal immigration problem. The fact that employers get away with little to no blame for this issue is ridiculous.

Amanda - "If I am required to show it to EVERY law enforcement officer who asks for it, who's to say that cop won't be corrupt, take it, sell it on the black market to have forgeries made of it? What's my guarantee that that uniformed officer isn't just a police imposter and I could then be arrested for not having paers when I report the theft to a real officer?"

If your that paranoid- then you have copies, and you store those copies in a safe box with people you trust being allowed to have access, friends and or family members have copies, stash a hidden copy in your vehicle etc. Your scenerio of "what if XXXX is corrupt" can be anyone, for any reason - not just an illegal immigrant. But if your that paranoid that everyone is out to get you, you set yourself a contingency plan. I would think if you are that concerned about corrupt officials- you already have such a plan in place.

1.8;" Axelrod doesn't have any power he is a talking head that's all and so far nothing the man has said makes any sense."

So true! how the "talking head" Axelrod manages to talk at all, with his entire being up Obama's ass so far, should be declared a top wonder of the un-natural world.

Pax..."As far as the US citizens are concerned the current law is VERY clear: USICS (and ICE) has as much authority over US citizens as your local Walmart greeter."

ICE and Border Patrol Agents have the authority to stop anyone, anywhere and at anytime if they suspect the person is in the country illegally. They've had that authority for years. All of you complaining about Arizona law enforcement stopping someone for being brown, where have you been all these years? Why haven't you been protesting the federal government?

It would be nice to see the Supreme court actually do something to protect this country, especially when the Feds refuse to do anything at all.

- articlesbase.com – search Arizona immigration law --- July 17, 2010 by adelyn asher --- Arizona immigration law --- synopsis of corruption, and - misrepresentation of this law. --- Welcome to the United Socialists States of America - “... Arizona law is a clone of the Federal ICE 287 program - – Plenty of people are finding fault with the Arizona law SB1070 signed by Gov. Jan Brewer,(1) but evidently they haven't considered, or are trying to hide the fact that the Federal law ICE287 is essentially the same law.(2)There needs to be no question why the ACLU, and other entities have been protesting SB1070, because they also protested the federal ICE 287 program.(3)When Senor Wences, Felipe Calderon, from Mexico criticizes Arizona's law, something is blatantly wrong. How can Mexico's President, who enforces harsh immigration law/s, and knows little about Arizona's problems be given creditability?(4)When Eric Holder calls SB1070 possibly unconstitutional, without reading the law, something is blatantly wrong.(5)If people did read the bill they would find racial profiling is specifically addressed, and prohibited. Why is it OK for a fed program to crack down on illegals, but if Arizona wants to enforce the same rules, Arizona is racist? As Governor Brewer has said “I just keep questioning the fact of the continuation of misleading, I believe, the American public on the facts. It's very clear, it's been in federal law for decades, and it's something that we implemented in here to use as another tool to get our borders secured -- and if it was illegal or it was racial profiling here in the state of Arizona, it would then have been illegal and racial profiling decades ago for the United States. ….We are out here on the battlefield getting the impact of all this illegal immigration, and all the crime that comes with it, and no one... We have, I have repeatedly, sent letters to the administration and to the president of the United States with absolutely no response... We have borders for a reason. A nation without borders is like a house without walls. It collapses. We need help, Mr. President.”(6) Are we a nation of children, allowing our nanny state to MISlead us? It's evident the media is not researching all the facts. When will people admit they are getting sc***ed; states are getting forced to protect themselves, because the federal gov. is not doing its job.[7]...”

I find it very interesting that the Democrats are opposed to any type of verification of legal status. Period. I'm still baffled by the resistance to voter identification cards. The Dems don't think you should have to prove that you are who you say you are to vote. The Dems don't think you should have to prove that you are a US citizen to collect government benefits. With all of the problems involving identity theft you would think that all US citizens would be happy to prove their identity just to safeguard their personal rights. Can anybody give me a good reason (not just an emotional one) why being asked to identify yourself is such an affront to their senses?

- - washingtonexaminer-com - On immigration, Obama backs Mexico, not Arizona May 21, 2010 - “When President Obama discussed the new Arizona immigration law with Mexican President Felipe Calderon at the White House Wednesday, he was doing something he has never done with the governor of Arizona ...Far more distressing to some was the fact that Obama took Calderon's side. ... When Calderon spoke before Congress and declared, "I strongly disagree with the recently adopted law in Arizona," most Democrats -- joined by a few Republicans -- gave him a standing ovation. ..”) as he insults a representative that actually cares about America. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, a Republican who took on national prominence after signing a controversial immigration measure into law, has won her party's gubernatorial nomination. - The law would not have been controversial if the administration wasn't authoritarian/pushing federal control over state.

Brewer has something not currently getting expressed – values that support common sense – and she won't be threatened by political pressure – very hard to find in the current seek and destroy CAPITALISM/PRIVATE INDUSTRY climate. --- Socialists are against capitalism – this can be verified by visiting many of the current administration's cheerleaders, such as SEIU, HHS, and many federal agencies that state threats such as big businesses need to stop hording money and start hiring – when this neo-democrat administration is constantly mandating, taxing, and fining – which makes anyone concerned about survival horde money – of course this administration would not feel threatened/any fear of being without money because they can just deem a mandate passed, and force citizens to pay for their special interests. Gov. Brewer has proved she will support her convictions, and she shows respect even when she is insulted and treated with disrespect. - she shows that supporting her is not going to lead to more insanity – like what is now getting disguised as progress.

• youtube-com/politics Obama, Goddard, SEIU: Truth Behind the Arizona Boycott; President Obama, No One in Arizona is Laughing – Gov Jan Brewer

youtube-com Steve Malzberg Interviews Jeff Kuhner – If The Truth Got Out About Obama There Would Be A Civil War – Many examples of dishonor to America, including immigration.

This is one instance where I think a conservative approach is better than a liberal one. Guys, when we let illegals in unchecked, we let the Cartels in unchecked. The Cartels have got their crap together, and unless we want our country going down the toilet like Mexico, we need to make sure the Cartels stay out.

The reason there is a flood of illegal immigrants coming from Mexico to the US is because of how crappy things are in Mexico. They obviously can't clean up their own mess and it is spilling into our country. We need to do more than just kick the illegals out, we need to pull out of the Middle East completely, send our forces into Mexico, and give the country an enema Teddy Roosevelt style. If they can't keep their crap together and it becomes our problem then we should fix it, make them regret the fact that we had to come in and fix it, and let them know that if it gets out of hand again we'll slap some sense into them again.

"ICE and Border Patrol Agents have the authority to stop anyone, anywhere and at anytime if they suspect the person is in the country illegally."

This is not the same as having a law enforcement authority over US citizens, which they do not have. By law their authority ends when you say "I am a US citizen."

Of course as somebody once said: "USA is a country of laws: badly written and randomly enforced." so don't expect much should an ICE officer decide he does not like you.

I am astounded by the ultra-right drivel I have read, and I skipped a few! As the SCOTUS full well knows, there is this document that governs the laws of the U.S.A., and the States that make up the U.S.A. This document is the Constitution - just a reminder to those that may have forgotten. Read it a few times, the whole thing, and you may get a better picture of the whole situation. Now, one more thing, it is NOT the Obama Administration that has not done it's job relative to immigration policy. It is Congress, and a slew of previous administrations, including the ones of the Bushes, as well as the darling of the far right, my dear Ronald Reagan, toss in Carter, and Clinton for good measure. Under Obama, the CBP has increased its activities significantly and with a great deal of success. Yesterday, it was announced that the immigration from Mexico (read Central America) had gone negative. So, lt's consider the facts, rather than opinions and old, old, old wives tales...

If I were to be stopped and a police officer were to ask that I show it to him, what are my guarantees that the officer isn't going to decide he does not like me, tear up my certificate, and take me in for not having it?

Paranoid much?

Divisive Obummer at work again. Instead of holding a conference with the governors of the front line states, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Florida on how to handle the illegal immigration and coming up with a joint policy integrating the work of federal and state forces, Obummer opts for confrontation and divisiveness.

This president ranks below Carter as the worst president in American history.

The posters here are not seeing the forest for the trees. The real issue is whether a state can deviate from federal law if they claim the feds are 'not doing their job'. This is really a 'states right' argument.

If this is legal, then the following are also legal:

1. If AZ doesn't believe that ICE (customs) enforcement at the port of LA is properly checking shipping containers, they can inspect (and tax) every container entering the state of AZ (both rail and truck).

2. If AZ doesn't believe that TSA is doing their job at the airport, AZ can impose their standards (whatever this is) at all AZ ariports.

3. States can apply restrictions for voting (this is already happening). If you don't have a permanent residence - you can't vote. This can be expanded to apply to ownership of land - if you rent - you cannot vote.

4. States can apply the argument that one must be informed in order to vote. If you are not sufficiently informed of the issues being voted - you don't vote. This will be similar to the old poll tax, where blacks were tasked with identifying the 47th word on the 3rd paragraph of the declaration of independence to vote. And if they got that one right, the next question was to cite (exactly) the 3rd paragraph of the Magna Carta (both of these were actually done).

What is really at issue is whether state laws have precedent over federal laws. And the SCOTUS is sounding like they will overturn their own precedent that federal laws trump state laws. If so - this is the 1840's all over again. And the morons need to study history to understand the concern.

wtfies66,

I don't care if the president is a Democrat. Republican, left, right, black, white or green.....this person is not the right one for the job of POTUS! He has put his own personal career and political party ahead of the will of the people and his oath to us. He has been derelict in his duty and forgotten has the meaning of the words contained in the Oath Of Office he swore to uphold when he became president.

Amen to that! But unfortunately that approach isn't exclusive to this sitting president. Most politicians pander to their parties instead of doing what is fair for all. Whether they can't convince constituents to be reasonable about issue resolution or their constituents blindly take the liberal/conservative side respectively is probably 6 of 1, half dozen of another. It isn't only the legislators that are responsible for making fair decisions - IT IS OUR JOB AS VOTERS TOO!!!!

Automatic amnesty isn't fair to everyone, neither is rounding everyone up and sending them back to Mexico or prison. Immigration laws aren't in existence to exclude people. They are there to protect the citizens from an economic and security standpoint. We need to offer incentives for coming here the legal way and penalties for not. We shouldn't punish the child for the sins of the father, but we shouldn't be letting their legal status slide either - If they want to resent someone, let it be their parents.

And when someone starts to complain about civil rights, ask them if they think it is worse to have their papers checked, or to be kidnapped by coyotes, or work for way less than minimum wage, or forced to run drugs for the cartel.

One of the reasons that the Feds don't enforce the immigration laws is because there is another agenda for letting them all in. Not only for the votes but by allowing illegals to flood into the country allows multiculturalism to destroy the one thing standing in the way of a one world government with NATO presiding over. Obama is on a course to re-create us in the image of all the other (failed) socialist countries around the world, but first you have to dismantle America as we know it and what better way to do that than by letting in millions of illegals who have no allegience to America and what she stands for. Also, what is with this group in the photo above? People of FAITH for Immigrant Justice.....I would think that people of "faith" would want to do the right thing about people here illegally who are stealing from Americans. Both in regards to jobs and in the welfare they receive. People of 'faith' my rearend.

Bulldog Dude (1.10) The fence is an environmental disaster because animals range and do not stop at country borders. On the other hand, illegals dig tunnels under fences and still can cross the border.

Living in Arizona 60 miles from the border, I can tell you for sure, we have a major problem with all the illegals who cross our borders. The mountains of garbage in the desert is disgraceful. We also have many Mexican Nationals who come here legally for the day to do some shopping. They have no problem showing their Visa/Passports. If we lived in any other country, it would be required that we show we can be in their country legally. Another concern is that if these illegals are getting through our borders, what makes a think the "terrorists" can't get through, too.

Lets get the facts right ,Almost all American citizens are immigrant excepts maybe the Native Red Indians.

Political affection has cause alots blaming on these people,the latino,black,chinese etc..

Did any of you realized that we have many foreign-born,even local born with parent not citizens,are currently serving in US MILITARY that are not American citizens.They fought and died for the Country while you jerks sitting in front of computer calling them "Illegal Aliens" .

Its nice of you people calling these warriors," illegal aliens".My Advice, did take a look on the mirror yourself !Americans are NOT homogeneous society,and has No Native Aborigines excepted the immigrant Society.

"Jerks" think they're come from the Moon? Who do you' think you're?

Unless You feels the warrant of having the image of the elephant nose is the must

This is United States of America...god damn!

Oh Boo Hoo for Chairman Obama and his trusty side kick, Holder. I wonder what excuse they'll dream up to prevent the ruling? Issue a restraining order against the SCOTUS? The pomposity of these two a$$wipes is off the scale. Its going to be a tough road for Obumer from here on out, especially when Obumercare is thrown out, he'll have not 1 single accomplishment to hang his hat on. And no the economy is not fixed, not even close.

In regard to those who want to blame Bush for all the illegals, fair enough, along with Clinton, AND you beloved Obumer. Regardless of the circumstances, immigration law should have been enforced as agreed upon during the Reagan years, it wasn't, mainly due to the fact that the economy was growing so fast that we could absorb many of the illegals into our workforce. The main side affect of this was to depress wages. The good news is we don't need to deport those who don't belong here. Simply make it a crime to employ them, and put some teeth in it. They'll have no choice but to go back from where they came. That may sound cruel to some of you but we don't owe them anything. if they want a better life, go through the proper channels to emigrate here legally or do whatever it take to raise the standard of living in your own country.

Well, if you want to get rid of illegals, don't have any work for them. Apparently the Pew's Hispanic research center is claiming that more Mexicans are leaving than are entering, due to a lack of work. Now, I'm not sure I can agree with that claim, most of the illegals coming over of late are carrying drugs and contraband, engaging in child prostitution and human smuggling. The former 'wetbacks' who came over to work used to return to Mexico once they had the money they needed.

The welfare system that allows illegals to have all the benefits that are usually denied to citizens needs to go. Many states are going bancrupt trying to care for all the illegals, their children and the medical costs of paying to birth the anchor babies. The bleeding hearts claiming that the illegals are looking for a better way of life seem to forget this little thing called a visa and greencard. Then, if they really want to have a better life here, there are avenues for applying for citizenship. Many people have gone that route and to grant amnesty to the crooks is a slap in the face of those who did it right.

Note as well that many Hispanics aren't too happy with the illegals. They don't like drugs and gangs in their neighborhoods and those illegals who are actually working tend to take jobs away from the legal citizens. I hope this law is upheld by the SCOTUS. Then again, even if it is, Obama will issue an executive order granting amnesty or else order Holder to look the other way and enforce the 'Dream Act', the one created by executive fiat.

Jack......, I assume you are trying equate showing proof of ID the same as denying someone the right to vote. Yea whatever...., except you are WRONG!

As for your your statement that all but Native Americans are immigrants, right and wrong both. They immigrated here too, they just happened to be here first. Our ancestors came second and took it from them, no different than the battles waged over territory between indigenous tribes before the white man arrived, there were winners and losers. Too bad so sad. I have no qualms about keeping my little slice of America that I bought and paid for with hard work and money. Besides I wouldn't know who to give it back to. Furthermore there is a significant difference between immigrating legally as the vast majority of our ancestors did, as set forth by rules the government put in place to control it, and doing so illegally, and worse yet, the government ignoring its own laws. Which one ('s) will they fail to enforce next?

Wow, touchy subject eh?

Stewgottz;

You're waaayyyy over exaggerating what the law is about. It's clearly written that checking someone for having "brown skin" is an illegal practice. You're just not using your head but that's okay, it's America, you're allowed to be uniformed and not educated on something that you speak of.

What part of the word "illegal" needs to be clarified for those of you who are against this law. This will not cause harassment because technically you must have a valid ID on you anyway, so if someone in this country is burdened by having to show an ID or proof that they are here legally. Well, booo, hooo. If I go to a concert in any city USA and I'm hanging out in the streets and cops come up and suspect that I'm up to no good it is completely within their authority to ask me for ID. Yet you goofballs think it's somehow against human rights for a state to do it that is quite frankly overrun with people who are here ILLEGALLY! I don't care if they are good people or not, there is a process and if they don't go through that process they aren't welcome in.

The only problem with the above scenario is this; How does a person who was born in these United States prove their citizenship as a matter of course during a traffic stop, etc?

In most cases, by showing his or her driver's license. How hard is that? Or is it too much of a hardship to expect someone operating a motor vehicle on a public roadway to obtain and lug around a driver's license?

I realize that there are a few states that don't give a rat's butt about your legal residency. I just moved from one of them, New Mexico (famous for providing driver's licenses not just to illegals, but to illegals living in other states, because of its extraordinarily lax standards). Had I not previously lived in Arizona, I would've had to produce a birth certificate and other assorted documentation to get an AZ DL again. Technically, there could be trouble for people from states like NM driving through Arizona should this law be upheld. That's something that the sanctuary states will need to address should this law be upheld.

AngelicaS,

Scary, for once I am actually agreeing with most of your Posts. Facts are Facts.

John-2096063 - I agree AngelicaS, however are we truly a democracy, are truly the land of the free.

We (US) are NOT a Democracy and NEVER were, the US was established as a Constitutional Representative Republic of America. The Founding Fathers stated that "a Democracy is Mob Rule", as to why they established the Rich Elitist Electoral College instead of US Citizens determining the "Highest Offices of the Land, President and Vice President".

Rod_Father,

Try again, President Bush (43) attempted to end the Illegal Alien at the US, a known National Security Threat; but, US Congress chickened out fearing for their lives during the 2006 Nationwide Illegal Demonstrations (No Permits, disruption of Traffic, Trade, Commerce) of Illegal Aliens, so the US Congress failed to pass President Bush's (43) Immigration Crisis Response Act of 2006.

Robert-1384751,

You need to study up on your Rights, Law Enforcement Procedures, etc.. As ANYONE can be Detained as a Suspect, Accused, Presumed; Detained is NOT the same as Imprisoned or Arrested, and Suspect is NOT the same as Guilty.

As AngelicaS posted at #1.2, the Legal Precedent is Set.

And if that is Not good enough for you, on January 21 2009 President Obama signed into US Laws his Patriot Acts (Plural) that extended the President Bush Patriot Act (Singular) and included those provisions of the defeated as Unconstitional US Senate S.1959 and US House of Representatives H.R.1955, No Material Support to Terrorist Organizations (No Humanitarian Assistance, No Funds, No Medical Supplies, No "Expert Advise" especially Legal Advise (see Miranda Rights), etc.), Preemptive Detentions, Monitoring and Censorship of All US Communications, etc.. President Obama shown here on January 22, 2009 during a staged News Media Event signing into US Law(s) his Patriot Acts, 04:38 minutes of 11:55 minutes:

Naomi Wolf: 'Obama can lock any US citizen up without trial'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLSeD19m3UE

stewgotts,

You cannot defend President Obama, especially his April 2009 Policy of "US Military will not be used to secure US Borders", and bypassing US Congress with his Policy of "Only Criminal Undocumented Immigrants will be deported", well guess what if the Illegal Aliens Work for Cash Only and refuse to fill out Employer Paperwork for the Withholding of State and Federal Income Taxes, Deductions for Social Security, Deductions of Disability Insurance, Deductions for Medical Dental Vision Insurance, etc. they are GUILTY of FELONY CRIMINAL TAX EVASION (Immediate Detentions, Freezing of All Assets, Assets subject to Confiscations (Ill Gotten Gains), etc..), as Illegal Aliens have been advised by Illegal Alien Advocacy Groups at the US like (US Taxpayer Funded) La Raza, M.E.Ch.A., etc. to NOT fill out Employer Paperwork as this is used by ICE to apprehend and deport Illegal Aliens ("Effectively" according to President Obama).

Pertaining to Numbers, too bad; yes, President Obama deported more than President Bush; but, by his own statements to Legalize Illegal Aliens, more Illegals Flooded into the US until President Obama tanked the US Economy (did not reinstate the US Laws, Glass Steagall Acts to stop the Causes of the current $60 Trillion to $100 Trillion "Global Economic Crisis" (aka Depression). Kind of like President Obama with a single metal bucket attempting to bail the water out of the RMS Titanic.

stewgotts - OH and by the way illegals do pay taxes!

Nope that was debunked by the State of California, the only Taxes that Illegal Aliens pay are Sales Taxes which in 2004 amounted to a total of $17 Million, while during that same time of 2004, the State of California spent over $10 Billion on Illegal Aliens, not counting Public Assistance (ever since the defeat of California Proposition 187): $7.7 Billion spent on Education of Illegal Aliens, $1.4 Billion spent on Health Care of Illegal Aliens, $1.4 Billion spent on the Imprisonment of Illegal Aliens for Murder, Rape, Armed Assaults, Illegal Alien Gang Random Rapes and Murders, etc..

And since you lack cognitive research skills, $17 Million does NOT Pay for over $10 Billion spent on Illegal Aliens.

Ycaintuseait5-3858621 - As far as Illegal Aliens voting thay can't that is poor argument or simply trumpeting extremist untruths.

You can say that all you want; however, that has been proven completely FALSE, especially after various States changed their Requirements to Obtain State's Drivers Licenses (All required is a Bill with your name and local address (even if empty lot or foreclosed home) from a Utility Company) allowing Illegal Aliens to obtain their State's Drivers License, with Many States using a State's Drivers License to be able to Vote.

Ycaintuseait5-3858621 -It was a wink and a nod to agra-business to get cheap labor.

Nope the majority of the agra business at the US has shut down and most of the fruits and vegetables at the US now come from South and Central Americas.

Ycaintuseait5-3858621 - Now we are in it so deep that the simple notion of deporting up to twenty million people will cause such economic disruption it could ruin the country.

Nope the Benefits versus the Deficits created by Illegal Aliens, the Deficits and Threat To National Security outweigh the Benefits of Illegal Aliens. Even President Eisenhower knew just how much of a Threat to National Security Illegal Aliens and "those Little Frauds" (aka Anchor Babies) were to the Citizens of the US.

Amanda-2017567,

See example of RMS Titanic example above.

And are you attempting to defend President Obama's January 21, 2009 with those actions that President Obama made Legal. Also listed above about Preemptive Detentions of US Citizens.

Also the US Laws currently on the books, the procedures for US Law Enforcement, etc. pertaining to Positive Identification of Anyone at the US apply, negating your uniformed post (1.44 examples) and really uninformed post of stewgotts.

stewgotts- What about if you're suspected of being a doctor you will be stopped and asked for ID? Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?

What if you are being treated by someone pretending to be a Doctor and the pretending Doctor is stopped and asked for ID. DO YOU see how ridiculous YOU Sound stewgotts

alan290 - The biggest thing that needs to be eliminated is the anchor baby rule.

There was NO Rule of Law, that was just an misinterpretation. During President Eisenhower's Operation Wetback, "those Little Frauds" (aka "Anchor Babies") against the US Citizens, against the US Constitution and Amendments, against the International Reciprocal Citizenship Laws, were deported with their Illegal Alien Parents.

Amanda-2017567,

Regarding your post at #1.62, you can thank the Illegal Aliens and the Mexican Drug Lords that you are attempting to defend, for creating DL, SS, BC, etc. or stealing Identities for the Suspicions of US Law Enforcement.

And regarding your Naturalization Certificate (Proof that you were NOT a Previous US Citizen like you claimed), ever heard of a Notarized Copy, so STOP LYING, unless you want to admit that you are very very uninformed.

As far as "Calling" something in, that is NOT done, it takes second via Computer. Another LIE of Yours.

By the way I copied your post indicating that your Parents adopted an Illegal Alien (YOU) and attempted to hide that fact from both you and US Law Enforcement with Fraudulent BC, DL, and SS obtained by Fraudulent means (see bottom of those Applications and Documents). Ever heard of Self Incrimination.

think about it-3820192 - I find it funny that people believe this is a liberal issue, it is not no President in resent years does anything on immigration.

Try again. President Bush (43) attempted to end the Illegal Alien at the US, a known National Security Threat; but, US Congress chickened out fearing for their lives during the 2006 Nationwide Illegal Demonstrations (No Permits, disruption of Traffic, Trade, Commerce) of Illegal Aliens, so the US Congress failed to pass President Bush's (43) Immigration Crisis Response Act of 2006.

by the way look up the definition of resent versus recent.

interested observer, post#1.88.

Try again. Go look at the Legal Precedents.

we have the MOST GENEROUS IMMIGRATION LAWS IN TH WORLD (permitting 1 MILLION LEGAL immigrants into the U.S. every year).

Not true. Our immigration system is complicated with high fees, complex laws, and long backlogs. And we DO have an immigration policy. The problem is, it's not very effective. And we ARE guarding our borders; just not in an effective manner. I am all for immigration reform; but the states cannot issue their own immigration policies that contradict federal law. And many parts of the Arizona bill contradict federal law. Some parts of the Arizona law I support, but most of it is discriminatory towards Hispanics. The best way to decrease illegal immigration is to make our own immigration system simple and efficient.

In addition, I am surprised that the people who branded Obamacare as federal overreach are actually supporting overreach on the part of the states. Immigration is given directly to the federal government; ergo, no state can adopt their own immigration policy independent of the federal one. Anyone who goes against Obamacare but supports this bill is a hypocrite.

My proposal for immigration reform is simple; reduce fees, visa restrictions, increase staff, shorten backlogs, simplify immigration laws, and add more agents to defend the border. Invest half of the savings from drawing down troops from Iraq to building more rigorous border security and then institute the Dream Act with the exception that those who would become citizens cannot sponsor their families and friends to become citizens if they are currently in the US illegally. I don't say that we should build a fence, because it seems that we are becoming more insular and it encourages other nations (Israel, North Korea, etc) to build fences to keep out people they don't like. And we don't want that, do we??? We must avoid becoming an insular society and continue to offer open arms to anyone who wishes to come to America for a better life.

OBAMA BIDEN 2012

Epic leading question fail MSNBC. Even when you frame the question in a manner that should achieve the response you want it still blows up in your face - 78.5 to 21.5. Arizona did not create its own law out of whole cloth; Arizona modeled its law after the existing Federal law in full compliance with the Supremacy Claus.

Amanda, do a little more research. Most of the deportations took place in the last quarter of 2011. What they did was accelerate the deportation process. This usually takes a few weeks to several months for some. The reason was to look tough on illegal imigrants, because otherwise, in our faces they are trying to stop the local enforcement from rounding up illegals which because of the Arizona laws and surprisingly California - (Yes, California passed the same kind of law) flooded the system with record numbers of illegals.

The reality is that Obama and company are playing both sides of the field.

Jack335 - Did any of you realized that we have many foreign-born,even local born with parent not citizens,are currently serving in US MILITARY that are not American citizens.They fought and died for the Country while you jerks sitting in front of computer calling them "Illegal Aliens" .

Laughing Out Loud. US Military Service is the short cut to obtain US Citizenship. example: The US Military Senior NCO (NCOIC) of my Command Team is now an American of Mexican (Hispanic/Latino) Ancestory, since during the Vietnam War, he came from Mexico and immediately went to the US Military Recruiters, with the self taught valuable skill of learning Vietnamese from Vietnamese Ex Patriots.

Jack335 - Lets get the facts right ,Almost all American citizens are immigrant excepts maybe the Native Red Indians.

hardtostarboard already debunked your so called "facts" at post #1.97.

Just a hint Jack335 when adults are discussing Facts (from Research) slinging your emotive non factual opinions only decreases your credibility.

As far as the argument that Hispanics are a Minority, sorry the other Racists posting in the Newsvine Posts pertaining to Zimmerman versus Martin have stated that the Hispanics at the US are considered as Caucasians and therefore the Majority, and not the Minority African Americans.

You cannot have it both ways. You can argue with those Racists, that even brought that up at the Newsvine Zimmerman and Martin Forums.

alan290,

Additional Legal Precedents that make "Anchor Babies" NOT Automatically US Citizens were those US Laws that were created that Made US Citizens of the Children of LEGAL Immigrants of specifically Chinese, Japanese, Irish, etc.; but, NO US Laws making US Citizens of Children of ILLEGAL Alien Parents.

Freshieee,

You really need to read and comprehend the US Constitution and Amendments, especially about "State's Rights".

You want to discuss President Obama's $1.7 Trillion to $2.1 Trillion not budgeted for Health Care Reform Act (aka ACA) as the reason for the current US Budget Deficit. And the Unlimited Campaign Contributions of $1 Billion to President Obama from the "Insurance Industry", "Medical Device Industry", "Pharmasecuticals Industry" since by his Health Care Reform Act (aka ACA) he gave them $67 Billion to the "Insurance Industry", $23 Billion to the "Medical Device Industry", $20 Billion to the "Pharmasecuticals Industry".

But of course, Freshieee, you read the whole thing and President Obama's "The President's Proposal" before inserting your feet into your mouth.

It was NOT a coincidence that the US Supreme Court Ruled in Favor of Unlimited Corporate Campaign Contributions, just after passage into US Law of President Obama's Health Care Reform Act, as his Buddy "Mr.Corporate America" Legal Briefed the US Supreme Court before the Citizens United Case made it's way thru the US Court System.

Seriously, if President Obama really gave a darn about fixing the US Health Care Situation, he would have by Executive Order restarted the President FDR Universal Health Care For All US Citizens, done by getting the Insurance Corporations OUT of the Medical Profession with an immediate decease in Medical Treatment Costs by 80%, with current price for US Citizens $50 for Unlimited Medical Treatments after getting the Insurance Corporations out of the Medical Profession.

Getting the Insurance Corporations out of the Medical Profession also means that the Insurance Corporations will not be managing Medicare, US Military TriCare, etc., as stated by President Obama on Face the Nation, the Insurance Corporations managing Medicare are padding their Costs to make Profits of $17 Billion to $18 Billion per year; so you cannot use the excuse that President Obama did not know and you cannot say "obstructionist" US Congress as previous President Obama Executive Orders completely bypassed US Congress.

Freshieee - Invest half of the savings from drawing down troops from Iraq to building more rigorous border security

You really need to learn to add and subtract. What money are you going to pay for the upcoming Unemployed from President Obama's Reduction In Forces (RIF) of the US Military of: 80,000 US Military Personnel PLUS 27,000 US Military Personnel Returning from the Wars PLUS 10,000 US Military Personnel returning from the Closed US Military Installations at Germany PLUS 5 More Brigades all being dumped on Unemployment.

How is President Obama's RIFing 1% of US Citizens currently serving the US Military going to help the situation by creating longer Deployments and More Deployments. Statistics show that when you do this the rate of Domestic Violence, Violence Crimes (Murder, etc.), etc. within the US Military increases exponentially.

On top of that is the Unemployment of a Million US Civilians of the US Military Defense Industrial Complex. (President Obama and Secretary of Defense Leon Penetta, "A US Military Defense Budget Cut of 10% will result in a Million US Civilians becoming Unemployed", well they did not lie, and these RIFs are to start within the next few months.).

And by the way FACT, I have been involved with the Middle East since the 1980s. The US did NOT save squat from leaving Iraq. And in FACT due to President Obama's March 2009 Improved Relations With Iran Policy (the Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran allowed to do anything without US Interventions), the Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran pressuredtheir Allies the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Government of Iraq NOT to negotiate with President Obama to allow US Military to remain. So this, lack of US presence and commitment, allowed the Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran to negotiate with the Iraqis and Kurdistanis for the Allies of the Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran, the Chinese and Russian Federation to get the Iraqis Northern and Southern Iraqis Oil Field Contracts; and all the Iraqis Oil that would have paid back the US for the US Military Liberation of Iraq with DECADES of Iraqis Oil were lost.

Wasted my time, life, lives of my men and women since 1980s as the US Military Teams to US Ally Iraq during the Iran Iraq Wars. 30 years of harsh combat conditions flushed down the toilet by President Obama's March 2009 Improved Relation with Iran Policy.

The same thing happened with the High Tech Mineral Wealth of Afghanistan, as President Obama's March 2009 Improved Relations with Iran Policy allowed the Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran to negotiate with the Afghans for the Ally of Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran, the Chinese to get the High Tech Mineral Rights for Afghanistan.

Wasted my time, life, lives of my men and women since 1980s as the US Military Teams to Pakistan during Operation Cyclone (rotated from US Ally Iraq). 30 years of harsh combat conditions flushed down the toilet by President Obama's March 2009 Improved Relation with Iran Policy. And now after it is too f**king late President Obama is reversing his March 2009 Improved Relations with Iran Policy, as the Chinese and Russian Federation will not give back all the (resources) Losses of the US, and the Fundamentalist Islamic Republic of Iran will not give back all their gains, 21st Century Technology (weapons, missiles, nuclear, stealth, etc.) from the Russian Federation and Chinese.

And before you say "We don't need these Resources", ok, then learn to live like a Fourth World Somalis, Afghan, etc..

It has been the Strategic Goal of the Chinese and Russian Federation to get the US and US Allies out of the Resources of the Middle East, Africa, Asia, (recently added South and Central Americas). They become "Super Powers" and the US And US Allies become Fourth World Nations, as "Ran out of Gas", just like how Germany lost WWII after losing the North African Oil, Russian Oil, and other Resources, even with all attempts to survive by creating replacement "Alternative Energy" Failed.

By the way you don't say you don't need something until you have a proven replacement. If you don't believe that, strip naked and throw away your old clothes and go naked to the nearest store to buy clothes and see what happens.

Those are FACTS Freshieee from the Real World Life or Death School of Hard Knocks and not the Idealistic Academic nonsense that only gets people Killed.

David said:

Regarding your post at #1.62, you can thank the Illegal Aliens and the Mexican Drug Lords that you are attempting to defend, for creating DL, SS, BC, etc. or stealing Identities for the Suspicions of US Law Enforcement.

Wait a minute. When did I ever say I was defending illegal aliens and mexican drug lords? I had NO sympathy for the Russian drug mule in the deportation camp who slept with the guards for cigarettes and drugs. If you're truly illegal--undocumented AND have broken the law--yes, you should be deported. Even those US soldiers who were deported for having prescriptions for medical marijuana. but for me, who was legal and a citizen...this was a violation of my rights.

And regarding your Naturalization Certificate (Proof that you were NOT a Previous US Citizen like you claimed),

At the time that I was brought into the country for the adoption, the law was that if a child was brought to the US for an adoption, the adoptive parents had to file for naturalization because citizenship was NOT automatic with adoption. My adoption was signed by a local judge three months after I arrived in the US, but it was not signed by an Immigration judge until eight months later due to the wait for a hearing. In between the local judge's signature date and the Immigration judge's signature (which is when my federal legal staus as an adopted child began) the law was changed to say that adopted children automatically became US citizens. Hence, if you use the date the Immigration judge signed it, I was a citizen; if you use the date that the local judge signed it, I was not. Which was why finding the adoption paper was so important. Once I found the adoption paper, they decided to issue me a Naturalization Certificate on the basis of the date the paper was signed by an Immigration judge, which was AFTER the law was changed to make citizenship automatic with adoption.

As far as "Calling" something in, that is NOT done, it takes second via Computer. Another LIE of Yours.

I saw an article a while back where ICE estimated the average traffic stop with an immigration status check will take about 80-90 minutes. I'll do a search for that article and find the link.

By the way I copied your post indicating that your Parents adopted an Illegal Alien (YOU) and attempted to hide that fact from both you and US Law Enforcement with Fraudulent BC, DL, and SS obtained by Fraudulent means (see bottom of those Applications and Documents). Ever heard of Self Incrimination.

No. Dad and Mom paid for my baby passport, brought me here legally, filed all my paperwork legally, and adopted me legally. Dad's military records and both my parents' tax records all show me as their registered dependent. My Immigration file had my baby passport, they had copies of the adoption application and receipts for the $10k Dad and Mom paid for the entire process, the background check done on both my parents, letters of character from friends and employers. FYI--when you're adopting an infant the judge needs to see a legal adoption decree before they will sign off an a legal BC saying that these people are now the child's parents, so the fact that I had one meant I had been legally adopted. Dad and Mom filed the adoption decree along with an original form of my BC; 18 years later when I was detained the BC I gave ICE matched the BC that my parents filed 18 years before with the adotion decree so there was no doubt that the BC was legal. And my SS number was verified by ICE to be legal and no one but myself had ever used it.

Cowards, Thieves. Liars, Hypocrites, LATINOS!

david-475776,

Oh you're just typical nothing , you can picked the spit B.S arguments,

You dont answer the Main Substance, that being raised.

1) Why the SCOTUS DON'T take the SERIOUS of the VIOLATION of US CONSTITUTION OF 13,14,15 amendments by allowing the Jim Crow Act being extented done by GOP and signed by Bush?

Where is the "SCOTUS SIDE "on this matters?

2)Where in Consitution the Authority of SCOTUS can Overwrite a Constitution ?

GIVE ME LOGICAL ANSWER ! Not GRANDMOTHER FAIRY TALES .

Stop pandering on issue Latino is Caucasian and while the black is minority ,I don't want to listen your Chicken and Egg issues.

You want to know about REAl US Economy now ?The World Highest World GDP,just Second below China under President Obama since 1960......If You Want me to teach you on Economy 101?

let me know.

But stop your Limited BS of Deficit and Debt when you doesn't know the basic difference.

So You still Believes WHAT THE PANDERING MEDIA saying now can effects the SCOTUS verdict in JUNE?NO what wonders You still Amatuer !

All the hard corps leftist liberals must be chewing on their tongues over this one! No surprise about Kagan though.

Actually the above should have read "bleeding heart" leftist liberals!

President Barack Obama ON 20 MAY 2010 ordered 1,200 extra National Guard troops to boost security along the U.S.-Mexico border INCLUDING ARIZONA,President Obama own inisiatives to request another $500 million for tightening the border protection and law enforcement activities under him many illegal are DEPORTED to any standard sitting Republican President or Republican,Governor,Congress has ever done before him.

Now The Governor Jan Brewer and his Tea-Party starts to pre-empting Republican plans to try to force arizona votes on such a deployment on with its New SB1070?, pre-emptive logic, ,but only a "Rascist" provision to stirs the people, as added to clause,as what the fed law are against.

What are these Re-bug trying prove the B.S to ?

But that’s the rub isn’t it,it may be their responsibility, but they’re not fulfilling that responsibility to anyone’s satisfaction, especially the state of Arizona. Consequently, Arizona has felt the need, based in public safety and budget concerns, to take matters into its own hands.?

President Obama already added more than 20,000 Border Patrol agents are deployed now, mostly along the nation's southern border. There are 344 U.S. National Guard troops also working along the border

Pearce, the architect of Arizona’s law testified along with three Democrats including disgraced former U.S. Sen. Dennis DeConcini, a Tucson lobbyist on behalf of for-profit prisons who retired in the wake of the Keating Five Savings and Loan scandal from which the equally tainted John McCain was able to rally. DeConcini oddly "apologized to the Latino community for Arizona’s actions ?.

The preemption doctrine has been established in Supreme Court decisions, and some legal experts have said such a federal argument likely would persuade a judge to declare the law unconstitutional.

But lawyers who helped draft the Arizona legislation have expressed doubt that a preemption argument would prevail.

Jack335, the “extra” 1,200 National Guard troops is now 300 total. You do realize that most of Arizona’s southern border is Federal land, military base, Indian reservation, or National preserve. Should Arizona pay from their “STATE FUND” to protect those lands? Or should they ask why the promises under the “Secure Fence Act of 2006” not being delivered?

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/18/news/la-pn-national-guard-withdrawing-900-troops-from-the-usmexico-border-20120418

Jack, instead of spewing out ignorance,hate, and lies about the Arizona/Mexico border situation, why don't you try living down here like I and others do? Or are you afraid to see reality for what it is and find out that the real victims of the farce called immigration reform by the current dministration are the U.S. citizens and legal residents living on the border. I now the family of a local rancher murdered in cold blood a while back by an illegal would sure argue with you.

And by the way, Governor Jan Brewer is a she, not a he! I have supported the passage of SB1070 from the very beginning. Oh, and one more thing. I happen to be of Mixed Hispanic descent!

seig hiel!! show me your papers! republican facists! stop talking about wanting less government when at the state level tea partiers have been stripping us of our civil rights since they got in office. vote them all out.

First paragraph of #1.113 above goes for you as well! Grow up and get real!

Ex navydoc,

Actually I'm dead tired with Arizona Rascist Discrimination & GOP War-Mongering State atittudes, to be frank!

Ok here

The Tenth Commandment Why the GOP Control Supreme Court must Struck-Out Arizona S.B. 1070

(1) Supreme Court will strike down the heart of S.B. 1070. Arizona will be relying on De Canas v. Bica (1976) and Chamber of Commerce v. Whiting (2011). Even state regulation designed to protect vital state interests must give way to paramount federal legislation. True, the Court in De Canas v. Bica and Chamber of Commerce v. Whiting would not presume that Congress, in enacting the INA, intended to oust state authority to regulate the employment relationship covered by [the state law] in a manner consistent with pertinent federal laws. Only a demonstration that Complete ouster of state power,including state power to promulgate laws not in conflict with federal laws,was "the clear and manifest purpose of Congress" would justify that conclusion.

(2) Arizona’s S.B. 1070 and Hazleton, Pennsylvania’s no-renting-to-undocumented-immigrants ordinance present different questions. While those jurisdictions might offer an economic basis for the law, evidence is quite clear that the real purpose behind the laws is regulation of immigration, an area that is preempted by federal law. For example, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed and supports S.B. 1070 because the federal government "is not doing its job" of securing the border.

(3) S.B. 1070 is about the regulation of immigration for its allies and Brewer.

(4) When Hazleton, Pennsylvania, enacted its ordinance, its supporters made clear that their intent was the control of Latino immigrants:The consequences which this immigration disaster holds for our children [are] horrendous. Coloreds will take political control of more states, along with both houses of Congress and the presidency. Whites will quickly be stripped of their rights with our wealth confiscated for redistribution to non-whites as is taking place in South Africa. . . . Will America become the United States of Mexico?

(5) Unfortunately for lawmakers in Arizona and Hazleton, they do not have the authority to regulate immigration.Thus, in litigation challenging Arizona’s S.B. 1070 and Hazleton’s ordinance, the federal courts have had little difficulty in finding that the laws are preempted. In the Arizona case, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the injunction of the primary provisions of the law on preemption grounds: the requirement that local law enforcement verify immigration status of all arrestees; the new state law making it a crime for failing to carry immigration papers; another new law that made it a crime to apply for work without proper documentation; and the attempt to authorize local police to enforce the civil provisions of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

(6) The court agreed with the federal government that its enforcement plan would be thwarted by Arizona’s law and was therefore preempted as an improper state attempt to regulate immigration.

(7) Although the Third Circuit’s decision on the Hazleton ordinance has been vacated for reconsideration in light of the Whiting decision, the court initially found that the no renting to undocumented immigrants provision was an attempt to "regulate which immigrants may live [here]."

(8) On December 15, 2011, the U.S. Department of Justice released a report documenting its three year investigation into Arizona’s own Sheriff Joe Arpaio and the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office. The report, which was delayed due to a lack of cooperation from MCSO, alleges that Sheriff Arpaio and the MCSO, the largest sheriff's office in Arizona, have systematically engaged in "unconstitutional policing" since 2008. Among the numerous allegations; the Sheriff and his Office regularly engaged in the profiling and racial discrimination of Latinos, denied "critical" services to non-English speaking inmates, failed to complete investigations of hundreds of sex crimes and unlawfully engaged a special anti-corruption team to investigate and intimidate the Sheriff’s critics. In one case, a Latino driver was jailed for "for 13 days for not using his turn signal."

(9) In other words, the ordinance attempted to regulate immigration, and was therefore preempted.

(10) Moreover, actions speak louder than words: Historically, Arizona had the full panoply of Jim Crow race laws and anti-immigrant legislation, and more recently opposed the Martin Luther King Holiday, championed English-Only laws, and recently passed laws aimed at ending Mexican American Studies programs in public schools. There is little in Arizona's legislative record to comfort those who suspect SB1070 is racially motivated.The Court should think of the future in terms of Brown v. Board of Education, not Dred Scott.

For these reasons, and others, the Supreme Court should overturn SB 1070.Anything less,eventually "hopping".

"You shall not covet . . . anything that is your neighbor's . . . You shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his ass, or anything that is your neighbor's. [316]The tenth commandment forbids coveting the goods of another.

The thy your neighbor's atttitude.For your own prosperer.

Jack - Are you referring to the Mexicans coveting the land and prosperity of Americans?

Jack, thank you for proving my point. You do in fact make a great poster child for hate mongering and disinformation! I pity you for your ignorance.

ED-Navdoc

Did you know? Almost everything you want in life requires cooperation from other people. This is a universal rule. The saying "No man is an island" stands true for everyone. No exceptions.

You will accomplish nothing, or will have a very tough time accomplishing anything, if you're doing it all by yourself. You need other people to attain your dreams and speed up your success; that's a reality. You need Covert Hypnosis.

Thats why the American general should NOT over estimate the "POWER of stupidity" when they cast their votes at the polls.

Unfortunately, you can't just expect them to just give you anything you want and by doing and showing something STUPID being unconsitutional ignorant neighbor as I already mentioned in the TENTH COMANDMENT .

You're the one that sound RACIST by introducing yourself as MEXICAN DECENDANT even to met your expection (or to do whatever you like to do) .I do mentioned about US Consittutionality that conflicting with Arizona SB 1070 any time you please, unless you smart enough.But the facts you ain't reaching that level of understanding...Im profound sorry for you ,yet to see that comming from you.

JC-1439099

Definite NO, I don't refers to Mexican but in general theme,of being a Good Citizen,whoever you're !
Whilst GOP politicians may attribute SB 1070 as their only source to defeat the President and gains their main objective concerns, their responses are also governed by highly personal and through racial profiling subjective factors.

You maybe a bit curious as I do,but allowing the racist fears factor asI mentioned above, being invaded to our minds and let them control using racist superiority proposition, its absurd !
This violating the US Liberty act as in The First Amendment of United States of America Constitution.

I tried, but that is just unintelligible.

Jack, sorry to disappoint you but 52% of the American people already did underestimate the power of stupidity. They elected Barak Obama in the last election!

As for my success, I have no worries there. I am already quite successfull.Based on what you have said so far, I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are a liberalDemocrat with leftist leanings. I really have no problems with that. It's a free country. From the impression I get in what you posted, you believe that all illegals should be treated with kid gloves and given all the rights and benefits of citizenship. This is irregardless of the fact that they have broken the law just by being here. By the way, have you ever taken the time to read SB1070 at all? I have it many times from beginning to end and keep a copy on my desk beside my computer.

I am a retired combat vet of 20 years honorable service of my country that includes Vietnam and the 1st Gulf War. This may very well mean absolutely nothing to you, but I am very proud of my service. My maternal grandparents emigrated legally to this country in the early 1920's. They worked very hard and integrated themselves into society while keeping their culture. Part of that was to make sure that their children worked hard, got educations, and bettered themselves. My grandparents never collected a day of welfare in their lives. My parents taught me the same, and I have passed that on to my children, who are grown and successful with kids of their own. I served and fought for my country and I will be damned if I will see the things I fought for and earned be given away for free to those who have nor earned them! My belief in SB 1070 is based on rights for American citizens and legal residents of all ethnic backgrounds should come first. While I do feel some sympathy for those folks trying to get here to make a better life, a line has to be drawn in the sand and SB1070 is that line. You want to call me a racist, go right ahead. I don't really care. You just make yourself look foolish doing so.

Virtually every other country in the world requires prospective legal immigrants to demonstrate proof of financial responsibility before they are permitted to enter the country.

Not only do we not require this of legal immigrants, the current Administration encourages illegal immigrants to come and avail themselves of taxpayer paid services.

If anyone wants to see a draconian immigration law go look up Mexico's.

The sad thing is, you'd THINK that at least landlords would discreetly do this anyway--as I have posted before, my son, who lives in CA, lived in a "one bedroom" (actually a nook, that would ONLY hold a bed, and nothing else!) apartment, and the group that lived below him in the SAME size (extra teeny!) apartment had a man and wife, one of their mom or grandmother, a teenager who had Down Syndrome, and 4-5 grade school or below. Since the apartment rent included water and electricity, you'd THINK the landlord would realize that that 'little' family unit was costing him WAY more than my son was, without even taking into consideration wear and tear on the carpet, appliances, walls, plumbing (8-9 people on ONE toilet!) etc. And two months after that 'little' family moved in, my son moved out. Too much noise.

Just like the previous administration encouraged illegals to come to the U.S., work as cheap labor and lower the wages for the rest of us.

bmiller - And you want that to continue? What is your point?

Shame on you that isn't legal under federal rules. If your school accepts federal lunch money they are not allowed to ask if someone is legal only if they live in the district. Same goes for federal housing projects etc. The ACLU will come after you.

Funny how if you're illegal you don't have to provide anything, but when I registered my child for kindergarten, they required copies of birth certificate, vaccination record, health condition note from the pediatrician, and a utility bill in my name to prove we lived in the district.

And fine those cities who title themselves as "sanctuary cities"!! Protecting the illegal criminals?? What other country does THAT?? Talk about STUPID! And dangerous for us citizens!

All the documents that an American citizen has to provide to work, vote, register a child for school, get welfare, get a car, an apartment.

Why do I have such a hard time believing that my illegal citizens are providing these same documents to get these same services.

just saying

inmissouri said:

Funny how if you're illegal you don't have to provide anything, but when I registered my child for kindergarten, they required copies of birth certificate, vaccination record, health condition note from the pediatrician, and a utility bill in my name to prove we lived in the district.

My youngest son is autistic and I had to apply fo Medical assiatnce for hi through Socail Services so he could receive specialized instruction fromt his school. They tried to deny hi the first time I applied because they said i 'failed to disclose a prior immigration record.

I was adopted as a child, not told before my parents passed away in a car accident and spent 3 years in a deportation camp as an illegal when USCIS lost my adoption paper. I did finally locate the courthouse where it was filed and I was released with a naturalization certificate. All of this happened WAY before my son, who is part native american, was born.

Amanda....a decision to provide services to your child would be based upon him...not you. Even if you were illegal, they could not deny services to your son, a legal U.S citizen.

It's amazing to me you have time to write all these comments, judging by the constant and unending harassment you receive on a daily basis.

jpeg said:

Amanda....a decision to provide services to your child would be based upon him...not you. Even if you were illegal, they could not deny services to your son, a legal U.S citizen.

My local social services office checks the immigration status of everyone in the household. So I went to appeal the decision and they granted him medical assistance. I think if more Social Services offices asked for that kind of information and were as thorough about checking there shouldn't be such a problem with illegals getting benefits.

It's amazing to me you have time to write all these comments, judging by the constant and unending harassment you receive on a daily basis.

I work as a receptionist and biometric technician. We haven't had a lot of traffic the last couple of days likely due to crappy weather so I'm working on updating contacts and research for my boss's book. Where did I say I was getting harassed?

Please enlighten us as to just what "a gop immigration law" is.

I bet he carries needed documents next time...unless he "enjoyed' the strip search.

REALLY? gop laws? (I'm assuming you are referrencing the REPUBLICAN party?) Sorry, but our country has ALWAYS required foreign nationals here to 'carry with them' their immigration papers. SO does nearly every other country.

And I HIGHLY doubt if the person you mentioned got stopped "for looking German''. Normally, someone is STOPPED for driving erratically, and strip searched when resisting arrest.

And BTW--we do NOT have 50 "different" immigration laws. What we DO have is SOME states who just want the feds to ENFORCE the immigration laws.

I strongly disagree with the idea of having an ID check to prove you are legally in the country, because there is no ID a natural-born US citizen can produce that proves that (well unless you're walking around with birth certificate or passport, who does?) It is a flawed concept. There have already been cases of US citizens being deported. There is no immigration database in which a natural-born US citizen appears.

Only a federal immigration court can determine whether you are legally present, a local cop during a traffic stop cannot and never will be able to, because a determination for example of refugee status or political asylum requires a court procedure.

A visitor from Canada for example can be in the US entirely legally with no valid ID, they could enter on a passport that has since expired (there is no law that requires it to remain valid during their entire stay). Most Canadians have American sounding accents. Because they visit frequently CBP usually don't track their entry and exit (have a look at the DHS yearbook of immigration statistics). How on Earth could a cop determine their legal status by the side of the road?

As far as I know the GOP doesn't have the power to pass laws. The states on the other hand do and since they are paying the bills for illegal immigration I think they should have the right. So Marshall unless you want to contribute to our education system, our public housing system, our public health system then I think you need to STFU. Quite simply a Texas DL or ID is all you need anywhere in the state to prove citizenship or legal residency. That is because you have to prove that to get either card in the first place. As a legal resident you have always been required to carry your resident alien card. And yes Canadians can cross the border without papers so can we into Canada but that does not allow the right to work in the US. For that you need a work permit. FYI I think only 6 states have passed immigration laws not fifty. Four with direct borders with Mexico and two greatly affected by illegal immigration.

Steven - A birth certificate and secondary form of identification (social security card etc) are required to obtain a drivers license. If you get pulled over and don't have a driver's license, proper insurance, or registration papers... that MAY be a bit of a hint....

lonereb.. are you saying that Arizona does not use federal funds?

BTW I think that we should be enforcing the laws on the books. Not creating new ones.

we need many new laws to stop all the caos and corruption . all americans need to help take care of our country legal americans not immigrants from anywhere . open your eyes . we have to start somewhere . i personally believe this will help . if it doesn't , we can always change the law again ,but for our sake , try something instead of just always whining and complaining ! go for it !

Brokinarrow said:

A birth certificate and secondary form of identification (social security card etc) are required to obtain a drivers license. If you get pulled over and don't have a driver's license, proper insurance, or registration papers... that MAY be a bit of a hint....

And if you have all these things you my STILL be taken in as an illegal:

According to her birth certificate, Diane Williams was born in Metairie, La., on Aug. 23, 1974. So Williams was shocked on Jan. 18 when, hours after she was released from a Houston jail on prostitution charges, immigration agents showed up at her apartment and arrested her, saying she was an illegal. "I had a copy of my birth certificate, but they said they didn't know if it was real or not," she said. On Feb. 9, she was deported to Honduras, where she spent nearly two months. Eventually, the U.S. Embassy in Tegucigalpa issued Williams a temporary passport, after her mother sent documents proving her identity.

Houston chef Leonard Robert Parrish, 52, ran afoul of a law intended for illegal immigrants. The Brooklyn-born Parrish went down to the Harris County Sheriff's Office in September to clear up a problem over a couple of bounced checks. He wound up in jail on immigration charges. He was strip-searched and spent 12 hours in custody. "The deputy told me I had a foreign accent," Parrish recalled. "I told him I had an East Coast accent. He said, 'It sounds like a foreign accent to me.'"

A 2008 Texas law required a person's citizenship status be linked to his driver's license. A sheriff's deputy told Parrish he was detained because when they ran his driver's license information through their computer, it said that his citizenship status was 'unknown.' "I served on a murder jury in Texas and they can't find out I'm a citizen?" asked Parrish.

And if you have all these things you my STILL be taken in as an illegal:

Uh huh, and people get wrongly convicted too. Sadly the system is not perfect.

Man is fallible, therefore no system made by man will be perfect. There are system that work for the majority but someone will always slip though the cracks.

I noticed that, too. More race baiting on msn. Maybe they ran out of Treyvon updates.

They're busy editing 911 calls and coming up with devisive headlines.

They don't want to run the story about the Baltimore case again. You know the one that took almost forty days for an arrest in the beating, robbing and strippng a white guy down to his birthday suit.

Reading the replies and "headlines" on MSN is more entertaining than ANY reality show! LOL!!

lmao, where do you get your info from?

Bo you are correct. The largest recipients of Federal dollars are the S.E. red voting states. They take $1.00 of Federal money for every $.30 that they send in.

It's all GWB's fault

tom hiller

It's all GWB's fault

EXACTLY - why don't more people realize this?

You forgot the fact that Texas is also occupied by 2 and a half army bases an air force base a naval airstation and a whole bunch of border patrol who question Texas citizens on their citizenship on a daily basis

What's that got to do with the price of tea in China? Matters not one bit how many army bases Texas has. Doesn't change the fact they are a welfare state who constantly sucks off the government teat.

If you follow Bo, you would know its a combo of made up and a varied use of fairy dust. He assumes his power from the MSNBC subliminal power source........ the private areas of a roselle IL. resident.

Jolly, Thank you, that was tooo funny. I'm surprised we haven't seen her yet. Oh well, funny nonetheless.

And while on the subject...why not require a valid ID to vote? You have to have it to buy cigarettes and booze.

Oh, I know why...it would put ACORN out of bidness...

Bulldog, that's a hardship to the poor to require them to produce a valid ID. According to the liberals anyway.

Bulldog dude Texas can't do that Holder spanked.

And yet we need a photo ID to enter the building Holder works in. Go figure.

Simple. If you're going to require an ID at the polls, you have to provide the free opportunity to obtain one. It is immoral to require the ID, then make me pay to go get it.

It is immoral to require the ID, then make me pay to go get it.

By the same logic, Obamacare=Immoral.

It cracks me up the Republicks, constantly crying, we're not racists, were not, were not. "They (the Democrats) only want illegal immigration so they'll become Democrats. Voting habits, established well before illegal immigration became such a Republick talking point, clearly shows minorities, blacks, hispanics, Asians, and until recently Irish, Jewish,Catholics, women ,voting Democratic.

Why do you suppose that is???? Don't ask me I'm a white middle aged man of Irish descent (wait I'm supposed to be a tea bagger). Ask the minorities. Maybe when white folk are arrested for DWB, or men are required to be probed before a medical procedure......

President Barack Obama, and he is your President, and according to your own tenets is to be respected, when he has spent 3 years having to prove he's not a Kenyan Manchurian, and you still spew your racist hatred, well now you can see, how clearly racism has clouded Republican legislatures in their rush to pass laws without thinking, oops it's Sharf Joe and bubba who is going to be enforcing those laws, and you just gave them carte blanche. That guy with the hoodie had it comin.

Bill--REALLY? Immigration is not a problem for TEXAS? (and btw, you DID mean to say illegal immigration? That IS what this argument is all about.)

Sorry, but my daughter lives and works in TX, makes decent money, good job that she likes, and she is job hunting to GET OUT of TX because of all the illegals. Because she wants KIDS, and the schools, at least in Houston, are so SWAMPED with kids who do not speak English, that anyone who wants their kid to actually LEARN something besides gutter Spanish, has to pay MAJOR bucks to send them to private schools.

And did I mention that she took Spanish in HS AND college, and hacks around pretty well in it? But she ALSO took French and German and Italian and Latin (vocal music Ed major) and does not see why ALL US kids should have to learn SPANISH when there are so many other languages out there.

Mexican hitmen make great neighbors and obedient Democrats:

Why wouldn't you want them(criminals or Democrats) wandering into your neighborhood?

The Mexican Cartel Hitman Who Was Hiding in Sandusky

"Edgar Campos-Barraza had been laying low in Sandusky for 10 years... El Cholo, meanwhile, was wanted in his homeland for aggravated kidnapping and criminal conspiracy. He’s also been linked to the murder of a state cop. He was pulled over in early January and copped to his colorful background during questioning. Since then, he’s been grinding through the extradition process."

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2012/04/25/the-mexican-cartel-hit-man-who-was-hiding-in-sandusky

MOMaid We in Texas understand the border as a reality not as rhetoric. We have families where some members are Texas citizens and others are Mexican citizens. We work with that. It was our governor after all that said if you build a thirty foot fence the biggest industry in Mexico will be 35 foot ladders. A realistic immigration policy that serves people on both sides of the border would be more useful than all the rhetoric out there now. Yes we are paying through the nose for illegal immigration. Yes we have been begging the federal government to do their job for 20 years or more. Yes we believe that welfare programs and education programs should be restricted to people legally in the country. But we also have children of college age who have lived their entire school years in Texas. And when our governor wanted to offer instate tuition to children who graduated from Texas public schools it wasn't the people of Texas who complained it was people from all the other states. These kids are here and realistically they will always be here. Sending a kid who has lived in Texas since he was 2 back to Mexico is sending that kid to a foreign country. Secure the border first. Then we can deal with those already here. But for Heavens sake secure the border.

Lonereb--jingoism on the part of a president that I never voted for, and rarely agreed with, does NOT impress me.

Bush got us into two wars that REQUIRED us to build and DEFEND Walls/fences. We now are getting out of those wars, and will be bringing home 250K men and women to NO Jobs, and a logical use of their skills and machinery they will bring back would be first to BUILD the wall/fence and second to MAN it, using all the equipment and skills they learned 'over there'.

I feel sorry for you if your family includes illegals, but you need to urge them to go home, and get here legally, BEFORE they get caught and deported, which will make that next to impossible.

And sorry, in referrence to the 'TX Dream Act?" In 1998, my daughter was dating a guy from Dallas, even tho she was in school in Columbia MO. She would have loved to move to TX and get in-state tuition there. She couldn't. So her BF moved to MO until she graduated, and then they moved back to TX after she GRADUATED. Eventually they broke up, and she moved back to KC, but went back to get her MBA (and paid out of state fees for that, and got hired in Houston. Looking for a Condo there, there were whole BUNCHES that were just not acceptable for a single female, because less than a block away, there was gang grafitti, and groups of unemployed men hanging around on street corners (with the accompanying cigarette butts, beer bottles etc strewn around.) And these were NICE condos, which have now lost a lot of their value, over and above the dump ALL real estate took. The school systems are crap, (and as a former Teacher, she DOES know) the shopping centers crowded with people who do not speak English, and you think this is not a problem?

How MANY illegals have to pay sales tax on $20K a year untaxed income before it compensates for the INCOME tax (state) she pays, the PROPERTY tax she pays, and of course, the sales tax on income 5 times greater? Not to mention her husband's similar contribution?

They are looking to relocate. SO happy you feel losing good CITIZENS like them is worth tolerating illegals.

I live in Houston and have two children. Kids here do not "have to learn Spanish." And there are scores of schools here that don't look at all like what MOMaid says. Don't rely on secondhand info.

Does anyone but me notice that MOmaid has either a daughter, a son, brother or sister or someone that has direct involvement in EVERY topic discussed. And hint MOmaid, all the filler blather about your supposed daughters school trysts, no one cares. And I call BS. I live in Houston now andlwas born and raised in Dallas. Your stories are nothing but pure fiction you pulled from your arse.

What all those arguing about illegal immigration fail to realize is that the problem is not confined to just people coming from Mexico looking for a better life. Border agents have caught Syrian and Yemen terrorists coming accross the border and who knows how many they didn't catch. This is not about Mexico anymore. This is a matter of National Security which certainly makes one wonder why the heck the Obama Administration fight so hard to keep the border porous and to keep illegal people from being deported. Like the Muslim Brotherhood being welcomed into the Whitehouse a couple of weeks ago. One has to wonder what the %$^#@ is going on up there and why?

I am so grateful for our Supreme Court. Our forefathers probably never imagined a mess like our government is at the moment but they were wise enough to put this check in place to keep dictatorships from succeeding. God Bless the USA and The Supreme Court.

Actually, they are going home.

Maybe we could talk some of our legal parasites to go to Mexico...

bulldog dude,

I agree. Mexico could probably use a few thousand more lawyers.

Its GOP policy Other Countries benefits first tht why nothing being done on illegals,President Obama policy on Americans First.

Do You really thinks GOP think about YOU the citizen?

GOP seems to forgotten,what goes around comes around !

Stupid people own computers to spew their twisted minds here.

Wow James igonrance is bliss. The only reason the illeagals are not coming is because, get ready for this, our economy is worse under Obama than Bush. There are no jobs so why come. Please entertain me with the Obama policy that sent back all these illegals?

How many years after he's gone are we entitiled to blame Obama for everything that is wrong with this Country? It's time for Obama to start taking responsiblity for his own actions instead of blaming Bush for everything. He appears weak when he can't stand on his own record so he blames others.

Waterguy--evidently at LEAST 3 1/2 years, because that is how long they have been blaming Bush!

@geo-1957883 "The only reason the illeagals are not coming is because, get ready for this, our economy is worse under Obama than Bush."

@MOmaid "Waterguy--evidently at LEAST 3 1/2 years, because that is how long they have been blaming Bush!"

Our economy is doing much better under President Obama than it was under President Bush. At the end of Bush's presidency we were losing 750,000 jobs every month and the stock market was at 6,500.

Under Obama we have had over 2 years of positive job growth and the stock market has nearly DOUBLED!

It is not worse. It is better. Romney has been quoted several times acknowledging that the economy is better than it was when Obama took over. Facts.

If Bush took a crap on your kitchen floor and Obama cleaned it up, would you come into the room and declare: "Man, it smells like sh@% in here. This is all your fault Obama!"

The statute of limitations for blaming Bush will run out when the effects of his metaphorical kitchen dump can no longer be smelled.

I am not talking about just illegals, I am talking about all immigration between the US and Mexico, legal and illegal. I don't think we really have to discuss how and why Bush is responsible for the economic collapse, but if your curious you might want to watch Frontline's presentation of the facts surrounding those events. And if that isn't enough, just ask yourself how could the government not know about the risks being built into our financial system by Wall Street? How is it that they had no standing plan to address those risks, and why were they completely blind sided by those events? And once those events started to become apparent why were they having to improvise solutions? What finally drove Bernake, Paulson and Geithner to the point of having to ask Congress for what was basically a blank check to PREVENT THE TOTAL COLLAPSE of the world wide financial system? Well folks, that was ALL a result of the committment to deregulation, to ignoring obvious warning signs, to following the so-called "Moral Imperative" and from making bad decisions at every step of the way. Essentially Bush and the Boys abdicated their responsibility to gaurd Americans from runaway greed, and once the Ship is sunk and laying on the bottom it takes a hell of an effort and a lot of time to raise it back up.

Another MSN graduate, believing what you read. Use facts

The standstill appears to be the result of many factors, including the weakened U.S. job and housing construction markets, heightened border enforcement, a rise in deportations, the growing dangers associated with illegal border crossings and the long-term decline in Mexico's birth rates. Obama's policies only get a small portion of the credit.

Ah James....Clinton deregulated the banks and wall street.

It is the destruction of the economy that is causing illegal immigrants to go home. That and the fact of all the anti-immigrant rhetoric in this country. Since we have busted about 6 illegal stash houses in the last month in the RGV I don't really think illegal immigration has stopped. But gee we now do have a 15 yr old facing being charged as an adult for 9 counts of murder for deaths caused by a roll over accident while he was driving 17 illegal aliens. BTW the DA and the defendant are both hispanic so don't bother pulling out your race card.

Sparklystar,

Clinton deregulated the banks to give them a broader range of businesses that they could engage in and make them more globally competitive, but nowhere did he advocate letting them run wild, or suggesting the government should forfeit its responsibility to the American People to continue to monitor those business activities. The fact is and its undeniable, the Bush administration had no idea what was going on on Wall Street. Their actions before and after the Bear Stearns collapse prove that. They totally trusted Wall Street Bankers to act responsibly as did Greenspan. It was inconceivable to both Bush and Greenspan that a dog would crap in its own bed, or that Wall Street would bankrupt itself in a diarrhea of greed. But as we all know now, that simple fact was learned far too late.

Even Clinton admitted that the trouble at the banks and on Wall Street started in 2000 on David Letterman of all places. I almost had a heart attack when I heard him admit it. Of course he immediately started backpedaling by saying Bush and Congress should have done more but the fact is, Clinton and congress, led by Pelosi , took the strongest economy in 30 years and flushed it away. Playing fast and loose with the numbers got us here and pandering to hispanics in Florida and Cuba will only make things even worse. We have to be fiscally sane.

James, it still comes down to deregulation, doesn't matter the reason for it, it happened and Clinton must have trusted the banks to act responsibly too, otherwise he would not have done it.

Recent numbers indicate that as many people are returning to Mexico as are coming here from Mexico. That has been the result of many factors including Obama increase in deportations, few jobs, increased pressure on all latinos, etc.

The biggest factor is lack of jobs...obama is still trying to figure out what a "shovel ready" job is...

Can you provide me with a link to the source of your information bulldog dude?

The down turn in the economy is the main reason for the slow down in illegal Immigration....not the Obama Administration.

Max, Things are actually getting better in Mexico for Mexicans. Obama does deserve a little credit, he has dramatically increased deportations. When those folks pay a coyote $2500 to be taken across the border its gets pretty discouraging to be constantly sent back.

So how do you get accurate numbers of people avoiding being counted? Busting the stash houses for illegals is basically the result of the 9 out of 10 hispanics reporting them to ICE. The 1 out 10 non hispanics can't run around the Valley fast enough to see them all. Illegal crossings are becoming ecological disasters for all the trash left behind. People are tired of it in their neighborhoods.

Illegals don't vote, why would they risk that?

Illegals do vote...that is why hussein obama wants them to keep on coming. We should require ID to vote for dog catcher...let alone president.

Used to be only land owners were allowed to vote...maybe we should go back to that.

Show me any credible evidence that illegals vote. That's ridiculous. And no politician, even the desperate Republicans are going after the "illegal vote", that contention is even more ridiculous.

The notion that illegals votes qualifies as paranoid hysteria. Its certifiable! Must be a Beckism, or else you guys are Rushiacs, LOL

They have rights. They're still human beings. And there are NO credible studies indicating that illegals are voting in significant numbers. Yet you claim to "know" it's true, despite the facts.

Yet more lies. There are MILLIONS of illegals in this country, and yes, there is agreat deal of credible evidence that many of them are, indeed voting and having a large affect on the outcomes of our elections. Once again, a few minutes of research will turn up all KINDS of evidence and easy to understand explanations of how and why this is happening. It's just so easy for liberals to stick their fingers in the ears, squeeze their eyes shut and refuse to acknowledge the truth staring them in the face.

Yes.. this is America.. a country built on immigration.. convenient that now that your family is here.. that you want to turn off immigration... If it was easy to be a legal immigrant there wouldn't be illegal ones here... unless of course you just don't want these people here.

They let your greatx6 grand father in the country, so why should they not be allowed in?

Stop being selfish and learn to share this great country.

immigration starts in New York when my grand father and mother came here, why don't the mexicans use the same route, because they are illegal, i bet you 95% smuggles in dope, or has been in prison, thats what comes here, if they want to live here legally, let them get their green card, a reastaurant up the road has mexicans living and working there, 6 month's here 6's month's home. whats the problem. obama does get votes from illegals thats why they are pissing and moaning about showing ID's, i have to right here in CT> so why is it so bad, and the people in my town know me by name.

Ellis Island has been closed for quite some time. You might want to bone up a little on how your own country has evolved over the years. As for drug smuggling, if your kids, your relatives, neighbors, co-workers etc. wern't the biggest consumers then there wouldn't be such a huge demand now would there. yes Michael, I know it's hard for you to grasp but the drug business is a supply and demand business too. Guess who the biggest consumers are creating that demand? I'll wait in case you need to google or think about that for a while.

Grilled cheese, Whenever you have a few miniutes please submitt your evidence that illegals are voting if the research is so easy. I am not going to waste my time looking for it because it doesn't exist. But if you want to, go for it. I am waiting.

Amen Rico

People who do not live along the border have no clue.

So...what do we do...we put it in the hands of the most sheltered..."kept in a bubble" individuals in this country. For that matter what does hussein obama or eric holder know about illegal immigration? Maybe what they read in a brief by janet napolitano?

What a joke hussein obama's administration has become. They sue a state and let the new black poosie party carry billy clubs to the polls.

RICO--I agree with you with a minor Caveat--My home town in Central Missouri (NO border here!) has been the victim of illegal immigrants for the last decade. (We have a Tyson plant, with its accompanying feed farms)

In 2006, over one in eight kids in our schools did NOT speak English. (MOST were grade school age) Six years later, it is closer to one in SIX. Now, you'd THINK that in 6 years, the ones who were there 6 years ago would now SPEAK English, but that is not the case. And more and more are entering every year.

And this little town of 20K spends over $4 million a year, educating the children of people who should not even be here. Meanwhile, AMERICAN kids cannot even get ACCESS to our reading specialists, whose training is to deal with READING difficulties like dislexia etc. because our reading specialists are SWAMPED with teaching kids who don't speak English the ALPHABET. And I'm not talking ONLY the K-1st graders, either! They have had NO exposure to reading at home, or shows like Sesame Street/Electric Company et al, which might have ALSO helped the kid to learn ENGLISH.

As someone that lives in Arizona, I understand that something must be done. I'm 61 years of age and have been out of work for 4 years. I have a bachelors degree in business management and went to law school for a year to become a paralegal, graduating in 1998. I moved from Ohio to Phoenix in 1998 when the problem was not so strong. I got a job within 4 months. In 2008, I was laid off because of the poor economy. Now, every time I look on Careerbuilder for a paralegal position, it is REQUIRED that the applicant speak both English and Spanish so that paralegals can interact with the clients. When I graduated high school in 1969, my parents were not concerned that I was not fluent in any language other than English. I fortunately took conversational Spanish in high school for 2 years and can understand Latinos to a certain extent, but not fluently. Between the fact that I am 61 years old and the fact that I cannot understand Spanish fluently, I must take early retirement. So why am I not surprised that there are children in elementary school that do not understand English? Because they are not required to do so. In fact, the teachers are "STRONGLY ENCOURAGED" to learn Spanish fluently so they can teach the children. Is this a sign that other states will have this problem in the future? You bet ya.

These are AWESOME posts.. Linda is complaining that Spanish speaking people give TOO much business, and that businesses require people to speak Spanish.. OH NO it sounds tragic... maybe the reason you can't get a job is because you're lazy. One

MOmaid is complaining that people just don't speak his/her language.. That's very sad MOmaid.. by why should we all learn to speak English? because you do? English isn't the official language of the United States, because this country was founded to be multilingual., there's no requirement for anyone to learn English.. such as there is no requirement for anyone to learn Spanish, or any other language.

I live in Houston so.. i do know about illegal immigration.. and honestly.. i must tell you.. the most annoying part about it is people complaining about stuff like "OMG I CALLED MY DOCTORS OFFICE TODAY, AND I HAD TO PRESS 2 TO HEAR THE PROMPT IN ENGLISH! GOSH!"

English SHOULD be the official language of the United States. Most people who attend secondary school in Europe and Asia or Universities must learn English.

MOmaid, FYI- you have to learn Spanish because the Hispanic race is the largest in the US, and I'm just counting the legal citizens. Face it that we are not only takng back a portion of the country that belongs to us (Arizona) we are taking over the US, so learn the language!!

Check out the immigration laws IN ANY OTHER COUNTRY (including Mexico). When comparing ours to any other country, we don't have any. I really thought that there were many intelligent people in this country but, it seems that many do not know the deffinition of ILLEGAL.

is so easy to fix this broken inmigration laws just let mexicans,chinese,salvadorian etc.. etc get work visas and charge them let say 3.000 us dlls. and they will pay so the country made money n everyone gets here legal. insted they pay that money to the human traffickers (coyotes) is how we call them n we may died croossing the dessert , plus if they came legal they will pay taxes ( we do that anyway) but the companies keep it ( they dont report that money to the IRS) so goverment win on every way (but we have a whole bunch of stupid politics in congress, they have no brain n heart, i just dont know how we can support them!!!

DBFBOATS - that is a total lie. Illegal immigration has NOT been cut in half. The Obama administration lies about EVERYTHING and they have repeatedly lied about this as well. Do 2 minutes of research and see for yourself.

Besides everything else, it doens't matter HOW many people they supposedly deport if they refuse to secure the borders. They just turn around and come right back in again.

Be fair, Sandwich. Obama has done nothing, but the same can be said about Clinton AND both Bushes AND Reagan. The Dems haven't failed us - both parties are equally culpable.

CET, I absolutely agree. I'd be the first one to state that this problem didn't START with Obama - BUT the Obama administration is, in my view, absolutely intent on undermining this country and remaking it into a marxist regime. And as part of that agenda, they are doing everything they can to open our doors to MILLIONS of hispanic immigrants that they are intent on adding to their constituent roles. How else do you explain their absolute refusal to secure our borders, their repeated attempts at granting amnesty to millions of illegals, their "DREAM" act, their repeated lies about the numbers of illegals deported, their constant siding with La Raza, the fact that they consistently put the "rights" of illegals waaayyy ahead of the rights of American citizens AND while they absolutely REFUSE to do their jobs, and uphold our laws, have the big brass balls to sue states like Arizona who are just trying to protect their citizens from invasion and the crushing consequences of that invasion, both criminally and financially?

Perhaps instead of suing Arizona, the federal government would have better served the citizens of this country by fixing the mess they created and helping the citizens they have failed so badly. The fact that they chose instead the path of lawsuits and courts makes it quite clear what their real motivation and agenda is - and NO one is going to tell me differently. No one.

And btw? I am quite well aware that amnesty has been granted in the past. And each and every time it was done, the American people were PROMISED it would never happen again.

When can we expect the government to stop lying to us and do their damn jobs? And it's OBAMA's ADMINISTRATION that brought this suit. Remember? The Obama adminsitration is the REASON why this is sitting in front of the Supreme Court right now. So I don't need to be fair. The time for blaming other administrations as long passed. Obama owns this. And I sincerely hope the Supreme court hands him his butt on a platter.

CET2001 --- All I can say is BS!! Get informed. Unemployment has not dropped.. it's worse than ever. It looks like it (a little) because the people who started on unemployment can no longer collect because their benefits have run out! Obama has done nothing but lie and SPEND MONEY!

Umemployment is dropping under Obama? Only if you consider that many unemployed are no longer being counted for the official figures. Obama and his war on jobs is the only thing that has brought the illegal immigrant count down. Less jobs = Less illegals, way to go Obama! Kill off all the jobs and the illegal problem were completely disappear altogether.

Please, stop spouting these untruths. Do you realize that the numbe of illegal people living in this country has dropped close to 1,000,000 people under this President. Also, you must do your homework and look at the statistics. We have had 22 months of job growths. Think how much more we could have had if your republican friends were not so determined to destroy the President that they are willing to allow people lose unemployment funds, lose their homes, etc.

Republicans are a disgraceful lot. I am ashamed that at one time I routinely voted republican. Never again. They are a shameful lot who under the guise of Christianity, try to force their values down the throats of Americans.

Yuck. I hope they are trashed in the next election. Only then will the true republican party have a chance to reemerge.

Obama/Biden 2012.

We now have an INS office in Ft. Smith Ar. We are nowhere near the border and yet our schools are overrun with the children of illegals. They pay no taxes but tie up emergency rooms with ailments that should be treated in a drs office because hospitals are not allowed to turn them away. They don't bother to learn the language or our laws. How far do you think you would get in Mexico if you went there to work and live and didn't try to speak Spanish? It defies logic that our teachers and government workers let alone police depts and jails must all spend millions in tax payer dollars to cater to people who are here illegally. They are not entitled to the rights we Americans are entitled to recieve. If they want those rights they must EARN their citizenship.

Victor--THANK you for pointing out that not ALL Hispanics walk in lock step with the pro-illegals, just because said illegals look like them, or speak Spanish.

I too, have some Mexican blood in me, and have also lived in both Merida Yucatan, and in Managua Nicaragua.

LEGALLY, of course.

And ALL three of my kids had to pay out of state fees in college, while watching kids they KNEW were not here legally get IN state tuition.

I admire you as a fine American Victor. It was wonderful to hear this viewpoint as I find this to be about people taking advantage of our largess illegally and not about race. I don't want anyone here illegally, because that does nothing but punish those who do things the right way and emigrate here according to the law of the Country where they want to live and become citizens.

Ive traveled a lot and im amazed at the amount of illegal aliens all over the usa.But people who live on border states have a lot more of them.

I couldnt beleave senator Schumer saying how he would do something if the supreme court didnt vote the way he wanted.

We have way to many people here as it is for the jobs available.Arizona just wants to enforce federal laws already on the books.

This was always pretty much a slam dunk for Arizona.

i like your comments victor,i have no problem with any mexican americans that pay into the same system americans pay into.

I have no problem with people who are here legally, period. I have a HUGE problem with the hords of illegals sucking up all of our resources and stealing from our kids. Enough is enough already. We all need to contact our representatives and demand that they do their damn jobs, enforce our laws, secure our borders and protect the LEGAL residents of this country from invasion.

It seems to me thatyou have stated the issues very weel Victor. Thanks for speaking up.

Given that the Jusice Department seems to ignore our laws regarding Immigration status, I co9nsider the attorney General and his staff to have violated their oaths to faithfully excute the laws and protect the Constitution. The federal posture on enforcement is NOT accidental and in my view comes very close to an assult upon the Consitution which provides us with the liberties we enjoy.

Victor,

All I can say is Thank you for doing the right thing and also showing your family the way the system is supposed to work.

I so wish others from all races would do the same as you did. Your a true Mexican American.