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Subscribe to RSSGeorge Zimmerman's attorney says his client has pulled in more than $200,000 in donations from his website to help with his defense. NBC's Kerry Sanders reports.
The prosecution in the second-degree murder case against George Zimmerman asked a Florida judge Friday to raise Zimmerman's bond in light of recent revelations that a website for his defense raised more than $200,000.
Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said he wants to know more about the money before he decides whether to adjust the bond. The judge said he will make a decision at a later date.
Zimmerman's attorney Mark O'Mara revealed Thursday night that his client's website had raised about $204,000 in donations, adding that the money has been placed in an account that can't be accessed directly by Zimmerman or his family.
"He asked me what to do with his PayPal accounts, and I asked him what he was talking about," O'Mara told CNN in an interview on Thursday. "He said those were the accounts that had the money from the website he had. And there was about ... $204,000 that had come in to date."
O'Mara told the judge about the money at a hearing Friday. The hearing was previously scheduled to discuss whether Zimmerman's file should be made public. Zimmerman is accused of second-degree murder in the shooting death of unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin.
O'Mara told the judge the money is currently in a trust fund that he controls and Zimmerman cannot access.
The website, which was created before Zimmerman turned himself in, has been shut down by O'Mara, who told the court he was not aware of the money it had raised when he spoke at Zimmerman's bond hearing last week. The site included pictures, quotes and a page asking for donations via PayPal.
Zimmerman, 28, the former neighborhood watch volunteer, was released early Monday from a Florida county jail on $150,000 bail. His family put up 10 percent to secure his release.
Martin's family was distressed to hear Zimmerman had raised so much money, considering the bond was set by the judge based on his family's limited wealth, their attorney said.
"They tried to portray themselves as indigent that they did not have any money," Martin family attorney Benjamin Crump said, according to CNN.
"We think that the court should revoke his bond immediately and he should be held accountable for misleading the court," he added.
At the bond hearing last week, Zimmerman's wife told the court she did not know how much money the website had collected in donations, adding that her brother-in-law helped set it up. She said the family is “trying to scrape up anything that we possibly can.”
According to CNN, O'Mara said Zimmerman's defense costs could reach $1 million.
"You can really go through a lot of money on a case like this, with the intensity of it," he said.
At the hearing Friday, the judge said he wouldn't place a gag order on Zimmerman's attorney, denying prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda's request. The prosecutor had complained to the court that O'Mara had been talking about the facts of the case to the media.
Zimmerman says Martin attacked him and he shot in self-defense. He was not charged for more than six weeks, sparking national protests. Martin was black; Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is Hispanic.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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The thing is u guys made it a race issue when u defend GZ when u was not there your self trust verify, u sound like a fool talking about the dispatcher...they are trained to keep u calm and guide u in any situation...why would they just have random untrained people answering the phone when they know u are calling for an emergency...and how is it that GZ got near TM if he wasn't pursuing him stating," They always get away" after the DISPATCHER said, Not to follow him" once they was at the police station GZ was recorded giving 2 different accounts which was stated by the officer:
Gilbreath testified that Zimmerman repeatedly contradicted himself while being interviewed by police and provided statements inconsistent with physical evidence and witness recollections. huffingtonpost
Talking about u was in GZ position before...what ever! Do u know how many Trayvon martin's there been? since the end of European Slavery(Ima get to u Anna)I am TM...I've been beat up by the police numerous times for being black on a friday night when I had a athletic scholarship & straight A's...u don't have a clue what its like to go to a all white university & have to fight daily because of the racist comments because their women wanted me, when all u want to do is get a education to better your family...u sit back with the privilege of being white like we just can do better...U are so foolish u think them young black men are just thugs, drug dealers, killers etc. because its cool or maybe because they trying to be down...statistics say that it is easier for a white man with a criminal back ground to get a job than a black man with a college or university degree given by David Gregory meet the press. In a study by the Harvard University students called, "Why Segregation Matters" Poverty and Educational Inequality, it was recorded that out of the 239 school districts in the U.S. Baltimore City was ranked number one in black isolation. That means that there are little to no white students in the Baltimore school system which has some of the lowest graduation rates in the nation. But on the flip side counties in Maryland which are almost all white have some of the highest graduation rates in the country with all the latest books and computers...which is a problem world wide in reference to people of color...so what are the uneducated suppose to feed themselves with? stories of White Jesus coming down from heaven and giving us glory after we die...I Said that i wasn't talking about all white people but u jumped in the pile of white trash when u got defensive about what I said if it didn't pertain to u then u should have kept your mouth closed. anna first of all I have a 3.7 gpa at Coppin University a HBC and a B. degree from Penn State...Where did u graduate from? I have University books to back my facts...the main reasons that slavery came about in the African was because of crime. There were 3 main reasons for slavery theft, war prisoner, and rape it was a way of doing the time for the crime. this is a historic fact it wasn't until the Arabs stepped into the picture 8th and 9th century and started stealing people from the shores of surrounding civilization for profit and wasn't until 17th century when the Europeans got involved and made it a solely black thing which was sanctioned by the pope to only take Africans slavery...so I don't need your website propaganda which makes u feel comfortable with the slave trade by say oh other people was doing it to! I no one else was hung people from trees to then take a pic with there kids in front a burnt body...but yall steady calling me a racist, what did i say racist? because i called u animals? that's not racist that's a description, only wild animals who are without ethics and morals base there survival on the next kill...The truth hurt that's the only reason u feel offended...lol
Wayno Amon Ra
The thing is u guys made it a race issue when u defend GZ when u was not there your self trust verify, u sound like a fool talking about the dispatcher...they are trained to keep u calm and guide u in any situation...why would they just have random untrained people answering the phone when they know u are calling for an emergency...and how is it that GZ got near TM if he wasn't pursuing him stating," They always get away" after the DISPATCHER said, Not to follow him" once they was at the police station GZ was recorded giving 2 different accounts which was stated by the officer:
WRONG
The MSM and MSNBC in particular made this about race. Al Sharpton is an employee of MSNBC and always makes it about race.
I believe I stated that dispatchers are TRAINED or perhaps I used the term CERTIFIED. That still does not make them police officers nor does it give them the power to give ORDERS.
In this specific case the dispatcher said and I QUOTE "We do not need you to do that"
Do you have a link to what George said at the police station?
Do you know anyone who was a slave? Quit living and dwelling in the past. People like you want the, no DEMAND, a double standard. you want "equal" treatment so long as you are treated special.
Here's a FACT for you. Baltimore has a unique, for the USA, racial makeup. 63.7% are Black vs 29.7% white. That per the US Census of 2010. That makes Blacks the MAJORITY by over 2 to 1. Now I don't know the make up of the education system, and the teachers in particular, but it would appear that Blacks are letting Blacks down. The argument is frequently made that Blacks do poorly in majority White schools because they are isolated from other Blacks and White institutions do not understand Black culture. There's that double standard again though... now it's because there aren't enough Whites in the system. Let me guess... you want Whitey to send more money because Baltimore Blacks can't support themselves. More food for thought... Baltimore ranks 5th in murder rate in the USA. here are the racial make ups of the top ranking, or is that bottom, murder rates.
New Orleans Blacks 60.2 Whites 33.0
Richmond, Calif Blacks 26.6 Whites 31.4
St. Louis Blacks 49.2 Whites 43.9
Detroit Blacks 82.7 Whites 10.6
Baltimore Blacks 63.7 Whites 29.7
Baton Rouge Blacks 54.5 Whites 39.4
Flint, Mich. Blacks 56.5 Whites 37.4
Newark, NJ Blacks 52.4 Whites 26.3
Birmingham Blacks 73.4 Whites 22.3
How about YOU provide the graduation rates on those cities. Statistically Blacks are killed by Blacks 94% of the time so don't attempt to shift the blame there with the race card. The MAJORITY of homicide victims are males 14-24 years of age... That might just have an impact on graduation rates as well.
Better still QUIT playing the BLAME GAME and accept responsibility for yourself. If EVERYONE, black, white, yellow, green, purple, simply did THAT the USA, and potentially the world, would be a much better place. I'm not saying George is an angel by any means but he seems to have not only been taking responsibility for himself (going to school, working for a living, protecting his family— and his own actions (admitting he shot Trayvon instead of saying the gun went off by itself) but looking out for the next guy(calling dispatch when things in the area were amiss, mentoring others kids). A damn near perfect example of "No good deed goes unpunished."
Then don't you see my point? Its not just whites who were involved in this.
Wayno, why would I feel comfortable, or uncomfortable (as in feeling responsible and/or guilty myself), with the slave trade? I had nothing to do with it. I just happen to be white. I do think the slave trade was horrible and that it was a crime tho, I'm with you there. But the ones who are responsible are the people who participated in this, not the people who didn't, whether they lived in the past at the time of the slave trade, or whether they live now in the present. And what about all the people in this country (the U.S.) who fought to abolish the slavery? Strangely they are forgotten, its like they never existed, as all whites seem to be included in the "s**t list" of racists. What about the fact that it was not the majority of people who owned slaves, it was a minority of more or less rich people, mainly in the South. In fact the more I learned about the civil war, the more I realised that it was only a minority who wanted to continue owning slaves who manipulated the population (in the South especially) and brought about the civil war, in reality a majority of people, even in the South, didn't own slaves, and didn't benefit from slavery in any way.
hmmm no, its because of your long rant about whites (and what you just said too):
Which makes it pretty obvious that you think it is a racial issue, and that if someone refuses to hate and condemn a man, while all we "know" is what we have read and heard in the medias, you assume it must be because Trayvon Martin was black, and George Zimmerman is "white-hispanic" (whatever that means), he/she is automatically labeled by you "an animal". Following someone for a while doesn't make you a murderer, nor a racist, nor a monster, or else every journalist, photograph, and private detective would be convicted of murder as well. For the time being we don't know who initiated the confrontation, and I don't assume that Zimmerman is telling the truth just because he says so, nor do I assume that he is lying.
Also I don't really appreciate being called "animal". I'm just white, I didn't do any of the horrible things you described, but yet you seem to hold me, and anyone who is white, responsible for it. This is where you cross the line and your comments become racist, when you generalise. If a guy called you names because you are black then that guy is the racist, not everyone else who happen to be the same race/color as that guy. If I feel I was unjustly treated because I am a woman (and this happens at least a few times to most women) should I begin to think that all men are machos and sexists? If I start hating all men because of the attitude of some of them, then I become sexist myself. See what I'm saying?
The minute you generalise and/or say (or think) something like "whites are ..." the thought or statement becomes a racist thought or statement. For instance, if I say: "there is black people who are criminals and there is white people who are criminals", it is not racist, but if I say: "black people are criminals" or "white people are criminals" then that would be racist.
As I said before, if it turns out that Zimmerman was a racist, that he followed Martin with the intention to hurt him, or that he intended to kill him because he was black (or whatever other reason), then yeah at this point feel free to hate the guy and call him all the names you want. Meanwhile we don't know and I find it disturbing when I see people posting death threats (and all the other nice stuff) when they don't even know if he is guilty or not, the only thing we know he is "guilty" of for the time being, is to have followed Trayvon Martin for a while, and I don't think that was illegal, nor does it place him in the "cold blooded killers" category.
Anyways, I'm tired of arguing now, have a good day.
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Yes, all of us should take responsibility for our actions. All, not some of us. Now, you articulated and posted the ugly figures and arguments against Black people -but you are quiet as a church mouse about Zimmie needing to take responsibility for profiling Trayvon in this case because he fit the racial, gender and age profile of some Black teens seen stealing in the area. It is unjustified that he should be seen as not profiling the kid based on his race and that of the guilty few being the same. Too many, including you call on everyone to take responsibility for their actions, but not Zimmerman, and not yourselves. Can't have it both ways; you are guilty of the double standard yourself. Profiling exists.
Let us own up to the fact that the crimes committed by some Black kids has oriented people of all stripes, even Black folks, to instantly feel justified to suspect, target, distrust, and profile and "blame" all Black kids for this conduct -unjust and in this case deadly; and nobody wants to admit their orientation to Black hoodie wearing youth is responsible for this and other offenses against innocent youth.
I believe about 8 incidents of stealing were involved, and it appears at least one of the Black kids was shown to be responsible for at least 2 of those 8 incidents -probably more. So we are not talking about a culture of Black youth attacking the area with 100s of crimes; a relative few Black kids responsible for 8 burgaries or thefts -yet Zimmie calls the cops on an innocent Black kid because he fits that racial, gender and age profile of the few Black kids guilty, and he shouldn't be called on it? Just ignore the elephant in the room? That's racial profiling and it should be owned up to by Zimmie, who already has admitted that night to it, although not using the word profiling.
Also, you want people to stop playing the BLAME GAME (you play it all the time), while you falsely blame Sharpton, Jesse, the media, etc for Zimmerman's situation, his arrest, charging for murder and the accusations against him being a racial profiling racist; while attributing no blame to Zimmie for seeing this black kid as one of the Black "as$holes" who always got away while Zimmie waited for the police in the past.
Zimmerman said he'd seen Black kids doing this stuff, one of them more than once, and he clearly saw Trayvon as one of them because he was Black too, teenaged, and male walking through the area. He'd seen the guilty ones before -so why suspect Trayvon who he'd not seen before if he were not guilty of profiling him? It was because of Trayvon's skin, age, gender and even hoodie. You need to blame Zimmerman for profiling, not Jesse and Sharpton. They, and millions of other people not Black, reacted to the profiling information they had; including the racial slurs -even White folks heard it as the C word. Jesse and Sarpton and the Whites and millions of others who thought they heard it, including me, are not racists just because we see a case as racial profiling.
Black people, as do all people, need to work on all our BS; and so do you and all the others who lie and pretend that racial profiling of Black youth does not exist based on their high negative and ugly stats across the board in so many areas. People look at those negative numbers and profile -just as Zimmie did Trayvon. Admit it. We are not in some post racist America.
Yes, all of us should take responsibility for our actions. All, not some of us. Now, you articulated and posted the ugly figures and arguments against Black people -but you are quiet as a church mouse about Zimmie needing to take responsibility for profiling
hmmmm lets see.. maybe he should have been only looking for 5 year old girls with ponytails. After all they were the ones consistently found to be doing the crimes in the neighborhood. Profiling based in bias is wrong... Profiling based on FACTS is just that. FACT.
If a FACT is that some group does XYZ then when XYZ happens it makes sense to go looking for individuals in that GROUP. Example... Someone is breaking into vehicles at NASCAR. The most likely individuals are going to be White males in their teens to early 20's. Why? Because that is the most likely group to be at NASCAR. Example. There are a series of rapes and the victims report it is a white guy with brown hair. Doesn't it make sense to be looking for a White guy in a white area of town than say Harlem? In Georges case the recurring event was young Black males breaking and entering. Sorry the most likely suspicious person is going to be a young Black male. If there have been a series of strong armed robberies at 7/11 stores committed by a Salt and Pepper pair of middle age women Guess when the clerk is going to be reaching for the alarm/gun. Are there going to be mistakes made? Probably. Is it "bias" to a degree yes but it isn't the big bad deep down KKK type but rather the association of current events to the persons that fit the "PROFILE"
So your presumption is that simply because millions of OTHERS heard "cold" that makes them racist? To be honest I hadn't heard the term "coon" in years and then only by people much older than I am. I grew up when the accepted term was changing from Negro to Colored Folk or was it the other way around? Black was an offensive term for other than those who had really dark(ebony) skin. Over in Mississippi and Louisiana the term "coon ass" is used as a poke fun in a humorous way towards mostly whites but also some others... From what I gather it may be akin to that regions pleasantry for red neck/hick that includes non whites.
And yes I put FACTUAL STATISTICS to counter Wayno. If someone throws random facts out of context I will try to put then in some context. I constantly hear how Blacks don't do well in school where they are a true minority and the blame is placed on the fact they are a minority and how the institutions simply don't understand Black culture. Then someone throws out Baltimore is a majority Black school and now it is because they don't have enough Whites is why they have such a high dropout rate? Can't argue both sides of the same coin.
Mrperryrice please EXPLAIN why no matter which mix of race the dropouts are blamed on the racial mix? Yes we look at the numbers. Yes I KNOW statistics can be made to say just about anything and unless people understand how statistics work they are easily convinced of what is presented. That said, EXPLAIN what the story is please. How is it that the highest per capita homicide rates are also majority Black? If Wayno doesn't have the numbers, please provide the HS completion rate for the cities I have listed. I honestly don't know what the HS graduation rates are in those cities... I have my suspicions based on other statistics, not bias but prejudice based on those statistics. Explain to us why it is wrong to make those judgements based on FACTS.
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He should not have been looking for anybody, since he claimed he was not on patrol at the time; he should have been looking for the nearest rout to K-Mart since he claimed he was on his way there.
And whenever he was on patrol he should not have been looking for Black youth, he should have been looking for Black youth he saw doing crimes, or peeking in windows, and not people minding their own business. He should have been looking for anybody committing crimes, even if they were 5 years old with pony tails -and not Trayvon minding his own business, which makes him guilty of racial profiling any Black youth.
So you admit Zimmerman is guilty of the racial profiling of Trayvon. And you admit it being a fact that he did it based on the race of the guilty ones and the innocent Trayvon's race being the same -Black. Good -just never go back on your statement, because you are 100% right, Zimmerman did do it because of all the boy's race. And you admit it being a fact. Stand by it -that is racial profiling.
I never made nor believe such a presumption. It has no place in our conversation.
Why pick on Wayno? Look at all your other postings of Black stats -never is there a positive one. And when Wayne, or anybody, posts a positive stat on Black folks, you're compelled to counter with negative ones; yet race baiters post incorrect negative anti-Black stats and you defend them, such as the notorious lie stating most ludicrously:
You defended that anti-Black, racial strife stirring up lie instead of attacking it as false. You knew and know it was a lie, because in other conversations you would throw out the truth, that 94% or so of the time Blacks are killing other Blacks. So how are they killing more Whites than that? You're one-sided.
That's not true in all cases -many Black schools are successfully educating Black kids; I saw where you were told "the dropout rate in the black community dropped by almost 84%" since Obama came to office, yet you are still saying Black kids don't do well in Black schools, even though that blanket statement isn't true of all Black schools. More stereo-typing, this time of Black schools as well as the kids.
Well I haven't heard that accusation leveled in a long time against a Black school, I've heard it argued against White schools where Black kids did poorly, but even still it's been a long time. I suspect that argument is outdated -all I hear now is that the "quality of the schools and the education, and the opportunities" made available is resulting in Black kids doing better in both White and Black schools.
I do not even hear that anymore. It's probably old, outdated information. I know nothing about it.
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Why do you want to focus on this negative Black stat that has nothing to do with this case? None of those people in that stat are Trayvon -can't blame him; and Trayvon is not the one charged with the murder, and the accused murderer Zimmerman isn't even Black. Why focus on a negative Black stat again that has nothing to do with Trayvon, as you always do?
Are you admitting that you believe Trayvon's skin proves he was out to murder George? All based on the homicidal rate of other Black people who have nothing to do with Trayvon?
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Volumes of studies were undertaken and have been written on that subject, and it all comes down to what racist do not want to hear, teach or believe, namely the socio-economic factors Black people are struggling with. Simply put, the people on the bottom-most rungs in society, for that reason, commit the most per-capita crimes. Regardless of race -anywhere in the world. So crime is not inherently a race issue.
To prove it, break the Black people down in this country and you will see the African Americans do the most poorly among Black people here, and do worse than Whites. But other Black people here don't.
Meaning -Tah Dah! Black people in this country, who are not AFRICAN AMERICANS, out perform the Whites statistically in this country. For example, Black Nigerian Americans are per-capita, all across the board, doing better than the average White American -educationally, financially, less crime, etc. They smoke the White American.
Also West Indian Black folks and others -we see their numbers outperforming the average White Americans -less crime, less in prison, more business owners, home-owners, educationally, the whole nine yards. So crime is not a race issue. Black crime is not a race issue -regardless of what the race baiters say.
So, the BLACK CRIME Stat -is not actually a Black Crime stat, it more appropriately is a socio-economic one pertaining to African American Black people, because it is not representative of all the Black people here who are not African American. It is racial stereo-typing to put it on all Black people.
OK; give me a little time.
trust_verify:I do not know how to create the links the way you guys do it on here. I need a little instruction. In the meantime just google these following Baltimore Sunpaper articles the long way like I did. I do not know why you can't find a positive stat for Black kids too.
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October 20, 2010
April 19, 2006
August 26, 2009
Black kids are climbing, doing better than ever -unlesss you ask a racist to provide the stats. Still I admit, a long long way to go.
Mr Rice
Keep it on topic and we will communicate. We don't need to hear how the other is racist or an idiot or fool. I don't expect your audience, you know who, to keep it nice as she has proven she can't with not only myself but others... Maybe her trip will help her cool off.
OK to create a link
Type your text or sentence.....
on a different tab/browser window copy the URL, starting with the http parts
Come back to where you have the text or sentence and highlight the portion you want to reflect the link. The first icon (chain link symbol) should be lit.. Click on the chainlink and fill in the dialog box. Of course you can just copy and paste without the text .. I think you've been here long enough and made enough comments to be "vetted". That would be the only reason you can't put a link.. of course if that is the issue just drop the http parts and the www.. most of us are accustomed to fixing it when that is the issue.
The links you have provided don't work.. gotta love msnbc
I am more interested in the overall picture of HS graduation than just Balitimore.
I found this one on USA Today..... http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2006-06-20-dropout-rates_x.htm
I might work through what it is trying to portray this weekend... I think I get it... Worst to best is the sort and the "size" number is number of students is a guess. I am guessing but a larger school might have funding issues but so might a smaller one.
Again I meant no offense when I stated that the murder rate might just have an impact on graduation rates... Facts are facts.. one can't graduate if they are dead. Also I don't simply dig out only racial facts. I present them as they are reported. If you look at some of my other postings you will see I also attack those "on my side" when they put BS numbers out there.
I see you can't even maintain your facade for more than one comment MR Rice.
YOU just aren't worth the effort and have shown you have NO HONOR and are nothing more than a race monger.
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I've just returned to this page. It's 10: 18 pm and I found the above 2 posts by you and began reading the first, and all was cool. Then I instantly read the second -and BaM!! ZONK!!! You've changed your mind and now things are not cool?
Now, what the hell happened in between the two? -I haven't even had time to do anything yet!!! WTF is on your mind???
Well thank you for the first post and all the effort in instructing me how to attach links in my post.. I really appreciate it. But you could have kept the following to yourself:
Sir, you cannot tell me what "we will do"; I'll tell me what I will do, and you can only tell you what you will do. And I might add, you are the one who cannot keep on topic -asinine stats and comments having nothing to do with this case. Like all this waste of time spent on Black Crime rates and the Black student graduation rates of a list of cities Trayvon nor Zimmerman never even live nor died in. You tell you to stay on topic, not me. And you were the one to ask for Baltimore City and other City's graduation rates.
Look, if you spend the majority of your posts posting anti-Black stats and comments that have no bearing on this case, then defend every racist white post, or are just plain quiet about them -hey don't blame me, the writing is on the wall -you are a one-sided racist. But I'm not supposed to say it? The audacity!!!
Now, your second post-damn! It seems to accuse me of something that I didn't have time enough to do in between your two posts.
I won't even ask again what it was that you imagined I did. Because this comment of yours...
...spells out the way I feel about you, except i feel a little worse about you than that; I'm not at all surprised you'd lie and accuse me of it. That seems to be the political strategy of racist these days, accusing others of being the racists, and race baiters, etc, as if it does not apply to you all anymore. Political tripe. You are the worse among them because you hide that you are a snake, because you are not honest about what you are, you are sneaky, lying and sleazy. A KKK member, a Neo-Nazi are your moral superiors, not to mention they have more balZ than you. And I think they are scum. But they are better than you.
And I'll comment anyway I please when I see your posts.
Oh my God!!! I knew all the time that you constantly posted figures that were wrong!!!! Now I click on the link you provided and see why you are wrong. For instance, you posted this "fact" from USA TODAY as though it is still truth:
I know it's a damn lie. And I'm like WTF!!!!! Then I see the date on your precious stat, that you very irresponsibly cite; let my copy and paste it:
See the point???!!! The shyt you functioning on is outdated. No longer true. You are misled and in turn misleading people to believe old, outdated truths. Stop you asinine stats, they are untrue anymore.
Baltimore students are kicking as$ these days
Big-city schools struggle with graduation rates
Updated 6/20/2006 11:26 PM ET
So much for "truth" or "verification"....LOL...
Jo-An-
You are the first to spot him -a liar.
You tried to warn me last month, but I did not listen, did I.
Ha-ha. I thought he was not a wolf in sheep clothing.
You got me on track though.
He cannot be trusted with posting any truth, he cannot verify anything but...LIES> To stir up racial strife. He is exposed.
Ain't that a political trick worthy of, umm, what's his name? The Puppeteer, the kingmaker of Nixon and Fox Un-News?
Glad you two love birds are having so much fun.... you did notice I stated those are what I could FIND??? Feel free to find better.
Of course the two of you are so busy finding FAULT with everyone you can't provide links to support your side of the discussion. Are you capable of doing that Jo-an? Or are you too busy blowing smoke up MR Rice.
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I knew I would draw you out again; contrary to your sworn oath. Your word is spit. Ssplatt!!!!!
Bull crap. You can find current stats. Just type in the what you want. You indeed, typed in what you wanted, and got it -anti Black Stats on Black youth- and you got it, saw the dates, and posted them anyway, because they fit your unjust, BLAME STREAM agenda. You never own up to the truth anymore, you and Zimmie are the same -I won't say it but you know what you all are, rhymes with "BUYER".
WOW!!! and you had nerve enough to post this most hypocritacally to me,
What a lying hypocrite; can't abide by your own dictum's. Shame, shame.
Then accusing people of finding fault?
Sounds like you are finding fault to me.
Far as all these asinine links go, I've long proved your links, your stats, your info, your position, your opinion, and you, flat wrong. I just gave you info to get the correct info, but you claim you cannot find them, but can find every outdated, incorrect, thousand year old link as long as it is anti-Black in the world.
Bull crap to you, your racism, your deceit, your lies and your false inablility to find current info.
You prove me right everytime. I love it. You cannot resist my posts. Just too alluring to you. You are in my web. I love the way I talk to you too. You like it? Good.
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Am I on ignore or not?
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Besides, as incorrect and outdated and full of lies as all your links are (2006???); the last thing we need is more damn people posting links. WTF!!!!!!
I'm NOT even IN this discussion....I'm just here to HIGH FIVE Mrperryrice!
LOL.....LOL....LOL....LOL....
I know how much you enjoy my laughter!
I am curious who we are busy "finding fault" with?
Jo, and what is this? Ha ha ha.
From yesterday you posted that? You knew he was starting it again, didn't you? He loves us, I tell 'ya!!!
He loves the cat-o-nine-tails across his back too.
He couldn't find recent figures -what a crock of crap he is.
Jo!!!!
He keeps you in it!!!! Even when he states he won't. He loves you more than me!!!!!!
He don't know how to talk to you though. Suspect that's a problem in his life. Serious one. He compensates with his "pissing contests" though; Joe give him credit. Say something nice to him.
Calm the beast. He's just a little, umm, uncouth with the ladies.
Seems you chose to become part of the discussion... So put up some facts already or don't you have any? Typical cackling from his 2 bit girl. You criticize the facts presented but have NONE of your own.
....
it's true! I was actually responding to his post, and I hit post, then I decided, it's best NOT to "feed" him....under the bridge, side of lake, picnic table....anywhere! So, I tried to take it back, I had to leave my mark...
LOL...I guess I could've just LOLed, he LOVES my laughter!
cackle, cackle....how's that?
I think you are right, Mrperryrice,
T_V has a MAD, wild CRUSH on me!
Jo-An:
Look, Jo, there he goes agian!!!!
Can't stay away from you. Accusing you of inviting him in -he called your name out before then. Ha, ha ha. You speak up and he claims he has an invite from you.
Jo- you still have not said something nice to him. Go ahead, please him just a little.
Oh Yeah, you admit it jo. You know he has a secret crush he cannot expess in manly terms on you, a real woman??
Now that is nice of you to say, let's see his reaction to that one. Remember. Be nice to the, um, man.
Wild Crush. Better not meet him -be the experience of your life. You'll simply have your way. He's easy.
I'm at a loss....
trust_verify:
Look, it's out of the bag; we have all seen you have a "MAD CRUSH"; but, ebonically speaking, your problem is that you "Have no game" with the girls. Pissing contests with them only turn them off. You must develope game. Meaning, how to talk, just for starters. Want me to show you. Because MrPerryrice got game. I can show you, wanna know how to have game? Let me know. You don't want to die old and all alone do you? Like limbaugh is destined to do.
trust_verify:
Trust? You there? Aww damn!!!!! Ignored again -for the fourth time. Damn.
I'll be nicer the 5th.
Jo- it's not your fault -his Crush is just too WILD!!!! Nobody can handle it -least of all him.
Hey, I'll be back in 1 hour. This was such fun. LOL.
Be nice while I'm gone Jo -he's really got a chance of not being like Limbaugh.
I will try! Cackle, cackle, cackle....
Jo-An:
Hi Jo, the CACKLER!!!
Hey, that rascal really thinks name-calling is gonna hurt somebody -and the whole time he's reporting people and trying to get them kicked off for calling him liars and racists? What a hypocrite!!! And does he lie???!!!!! (WHEW!!) My God.
Watch him!!!! Especially when he posts his beloved Statistics -he'll whip one out from the 1950s, won't say, but will have a person on here swearing it's the truth today -Trust Verified it!!!!!! Heres the Link!!!! Ha ha ha -HOGWASH!!!! Watch his stats -he's a wolf in sheeps clothing.
To All VICTIMS of trust_verify and HIS FOLLOWING LYING STATISTIC:
PLEASE NOTE: IT is an OUTDATED LIE from 2006.
Please UPDATE your information to reflect the current FIGURES: , to 72 percent graduation rate and not Trust Verivy's outdated 2006 38.5. It is 72 percent.
Yes sir!! Go Boys go!! Go Boys Go!!! -and all they do is get profiled and slandered by the Trust Verify's and George Zimmerman's of the world?
October 6, 2010
October 20, 2010
April 19, 2006
August 26, 2009
I see a lot of cackling but no NEW data for ALL the cities listed. Even peeked at your john's dribble and all he has is broken links.
trust_verify:
First, confess openly that your information is outdated?
And has nothing to do with Trayvon or Zimmerman? Establish your honor -
Plus I've already provided you with all the info you need proving your info outdated and wrong -have you no honor to admit it? (rhetorical snickering question because of course you don't)
-you have the titles of the Sunpaper articles, so what if the links don't work? -type in Baltimore Sunpapers and keep going by typing in the names of the articles -there's at least 5 of them, see them above and their dates? Why waste all your time on this asinine shyt? You know the info is real, and that you can find it with your computer -why lie that you can't? It's asinine.
All you do is waste your time on utterly useless info that has nothing to do with this case -so why do you do it?
I know; you have an ulterior motive, don't you? Your mission is to focus on NEGATIVE INFO ON BLACK PEOPLE. Period.
Oh yeah; See the way I talk to you and manhandle you? Dominate you and slap you about? Everybody sees it, this is a public forum -so they know who I'm pimping on here -they know my girl is Trust Verify.
You know it too -no matter how bad I treat you, you promise to leave, just to never quite be able to do it. That's why I treat you this way. I'm pimping you -and you have not the strength to stop yourself from being my punching bag of a hag. You can never leave me.
Just like your pimp -you threaten to leave -I know just what to say to get you right back. I will not be ignored -and to your frustration you know that by now.
BTW: Just type in Baltimore City Schools and search for the graduation rates and other stat: you're just lying that you can't find the graduation rates of any school sytem you want. Plus -it's all so asinine anyway -nothing to do with Trayvon or Zimmie -Oh I forgot, your just searching for more anti-Black figures you can post.
BTW: Just type in Baltimore City Schools and search for the graduation rates and other stat
The TOPIC was brought up by Wayno another race whiner like yourself. That you are INCAPABLE of providing a link after being spoon fed how to do so it PATHETIC. Equality so long as your race is treated special... maybe you do need treated special?
The STATS I provided were those I could find. I indicated as much as Wayno and now YOU are unable to provide stats more current for the cities listed in my response. Now you are all bent out of shape and upset because I won't play YOUR games.
Baltimore still SUCKS as far as graduations rate. When you are at the BOTTOM of the barrel there is only one direction to go and that is UP. They are barely achieving that.
Now again I challenge YOU to act like an adult instead of whining like a spoiled brat who only knows how to be nice when they are getting their own way. Your whining and name calling make you look PATHETIC. Are you man enough to quit the childish games or do you need to go prove yourself in a game of street ball? I don't care what your excuse... drinking and keyboarding or just your lack of knowing that a real man can resolve things and debate FACTS without name calling or violence or threats.
If it weren't for my being here you'd have nothing to debate. I'm enjoying letting you prove yourself the fool. The best way to deal with bullies and tantrums are to IGNORE them.
Now be civil when you come back with your newest latest greatest stats. I shouldn't have to do YOUR research for you. Apparently your hero wayno was unable to do more than start an argument then couldn't back his words with FACTS. You and the cackling hen have yet to do any better.
trust_verify:
Aww; you're back -so nice.
Sure -look at the special treatment Trayvon got. Look at the special treatment Black people get under SYG period. The Black kid -dead; then the Black woman -in jail, then that old Black man that witnesses say was getting beat up by a White thug -in jail. Blacks really do get special treatment whether kids, female's in their own home, or old men -we get the special treatment. we get it from you too; look at your posts.
Check out your own race whining:
I admit, we do get special treatment alright -SYG is the latest example of it. Plus ONLY Black People get charged with RACE WHINING and being RACE BAITERS and RACISTS -you guys suddenly stopped all your race whining, race baiting, race hatred and racism. Blacks get special treatment -we're the only ones doing it now. (Damn special BLACKS!!!!) After all, Trust has never verified where White people were doing it.
Sure, not your fault you can't google: -Baltimore City Schools and find 2010 -11 graduation rates.
Well you asked for the graduation rates of those cities didn't you? Well, your idea -your research, not mine. Besides I provided the graduation rate for my city and pasted the SunPaper Article where it came from:
Not my job to do the research on the other cities -your idea, so do your own research and find those. Not that any of it will amount to a hill of beans in this Trayvon Zimmerman case. But have at the asinine effort if you will -I've done my part. Your idea, you do the rest. It don't even matter to this case.
No; they were the outdated 2006 ones that could make Black kids look the worse -objective accomplished! Plus they were wrong. The latest rate is 72 percent, You admit as much when you say:
Yup; still room for improvement. Only they weren't on the bottom like you said -Wow! 72% up from your 2006 38.5%.
But not a kind word from you on the kids -more of that special treatment you claim us Black folks get.
72% up from your 2006 38.5%. -I posted excerps from the article elsewhere to you. Need more, look it up yourself -as the whole thing is immaterial to the Trayvon vs Zimmie case I just don't have a reason to stop what I like doing and post a bunch of links to a bunch of immaterial stuff that has nothing to do with this case. When something is important enough for me to link I will get around to that link lesson you gave me. Until then, I'm satisfied with my copy and paste -anybody can see the info is real. I don't exist to please you -I'm here to please me.
Really? Well look at yours from that same post:
But you whine when someone else calls you a name? More of that special treatment us Black folks get.
WTF!!!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!! A hundred times!!!!!
Why mention that -you haven't ignored anybody yet?
WTF -first you lie and say I'm ignored, then not ignored, lie I'm ignored, not, ignored, not -on and on. And I'm having tantrums? I'm bent out of shape? No sir, I'm having fun, fun, fun -with you because you are playing my little game. There's no escaping it. You are powerless against it. My posts enthrall you.
Good Morning Mrperryrice!
I had to get out of bed, my giggling was shaking the bed!
Sheeeeesh...
Good for Baltimore schools and kids!
Jo-An-
Ha-ha! You should have seen mine -I fell out of my chair laughing at the blatant hypocrasy. Especially the name-calling, and blaming stuff. Oh, then there's the special treatment crock. Then Childish? Tantrums? Ha-ha!! Bent out of shape! Nobody is guilty of any of that than he is -yet he points fingers. He's funny. And never admits to wrongdoing or lies. I have fun as you can see with him -immensely. :-} Oh how frustrated he is that he is putty in my hands. Ha ha.
He'll be back. Anytime I want him to come back -I'll just type the magic words. He's too much fun to do without. And so easy to handle -because he is so wrong all the time.
Hey -nice encouraging word you shouted out to the school board and school kids for all that hard work that went into improving that 38.5% graduation rate to 72% in 2011. A 33.5% jump in just about 4 years.
Mrperryrice,
My emails to you have been returned unable to deliver....
:(
Zimmerman's not guilty plea accepted in Martin case arraignment
People NEED to stop looking at this as a RACIAL incident.....It should be looked at as: this could have been my BROTHER, COUSIN, SON, NEPHEW...Wrong is wrong....I think Zimmerman is a racist....he did not do as he was instructed by the 911 dispatcher. He chose to follow his own AGENDA and that was to MURDER an innocent CHILD yes a CHILD...He will have to meet his maker in the END!!!!!!!
China'Red-Bone Dawl
You say:
and then proceed to say:
Make up your mind.
I do, but I apply this to both Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman.
You assume a lot. Personally I wasn't there and I didn't know Trayvon Martin nor George Zimmerman personally either. Trayvon was not a child tho, he was a minor and a 6'3" young man. At 15 my son was almost 6' and he could have beaten the c**p out of quite a few men.
ANNA-
A lot the comments posted her mainly referring to Al Sharpton and that he is all about making things racial....If u have seen reports about Zimmerman, he always made "BLACKS" out to be BAD and he wanted to be judge, jury and his OWN way of JUSTICE....I have not heard one call that he refers to any kids as being WHITE and that he pursued them....have u - if so, please share.....When I was referring to a RACIAL incident - I was referring to people that are defending him that are not Black and to put themselves in the parents shoes.....LIKE THE MOVIE "A TIME TO KILL" had he not made them close their eyes and visualize the situation and then he said "what if she were WHITE......then the LIGHT BULB went on......By the way, He was 17 is that the AGE of ADULTHOOD now??????
China'Red-Bone Dawl,
You are right! I don't know if GZ is a racist but he certainly "profiled" Trayvon that night! The Sanford Police just swept it under the carpet because it was a black child.
That was a great movie, too!
Jo-An-4354969
Thanks......I just don't want people to lose focus of "WRONG IS WRONG" no matter what COLOR u are.....if the shoe had been on the other foot and the child that was shot was "White" i would feel the same way....He DOES not have any LEGAL authority at all......
Even I apply that same standard here. If both were my son, both are young enough to be -I can say with the utmost sincerity that I do not see anything wrong with Trayvon's actions.
If George were my son I would fuss him out, I see a roadmap of step by step wrong he did beginning with profiling the kid, and ending with him shooting a kid that had been begging for help in a terrorized voice for over a minute on recordings. I wouldn't believe anyone's story of having to shoot someone who are in the middle of begging for their life.
If everyone were honest here, they'd stop lying about profiling, and about George having to shoot a screaming for help victim. By all indications, all circumstantial evidence -all he had to do was let the screaming boy go. If race was not an issue -nobody would be supporting this shooter under those conditions. America has a lot of dishonest people. They need to own up to that. Take responsibility for it.
China'Red-Bone Dawl
You say:
and then proceed to say:
What I saw your meaning as was simply that even though you thought he was a racist, you were willing to set that aside and view, judge the case based on an equal standard, not holding your personal views against George, but letting the evidence make your mind up.
Good standard you have there.
AND it's wrong, to shoot an unarmed kid, regardless of their race!
It's clear GZ was profiling that night! He admitted it, he was following Trayvon BECAUSE he was a young black teen, and black teens were breaking into homes in their neighborhood!
Hi Mrperryrice!
GZ is a cold blooded murderer, as shown by the 911 screams for help!
Jo-An: Hi Jo!
Right as usual.
I still do not know what is wrong with that Facebook. I see I have screen names and what-not i forgot about. Maybe that's in the way? Then about 2 weeks ago I deleted some accounts and that may be the problem since I am trying to reestablish them?
I'm lost, at my wits end and still can't get it to work. Suggestions.
Hmmm.....did you have a Facebook page before? Forgot password maybe? Not sure, you may have to just make a new one, with a new name.....
Jo- I had one before; and still do apparently; I just cannot access it for some reason. One minute it is rejecting my names or password then when it accepts them it sends me back to step 1. :-{ All the stuff they tell me to do to fix it, i do. Still it sends me back to step 1 again enterring my info. Then denies me access- over, and over. I'm dizzy from it.
Then I did several times like you said, tried a new one; Still they tell me wait until an Email I can use to activate it comes. Yet it never comes. I'll get someone to look at it for me.
Just wanted to clear up a couple of misconceptions I saw posted in this thread. First, the dispatcher did not order Zimmerman to do anything. Second, an eye witness saw Zimmerman on the ground being beaten and calling for help. There is no credible evidence that contradicts this.
InterestedObserver78,
Maybe not "order", but he was told he didn't need to follow Trayvon....
Actually, there are other creditable witnesses that say otherwise! Obviously Ms Corey believes she has evidence that contradicts the original witness.
Someone posted earlier that police dispatchers can't give orders because of liability. SO this is the closest thing to an order that the dispatcher could give. Giving their policy, it is quite a strong statement.
Honestly, I can't believe how many people believe GZ wasn't "ordered" to stop following, so GZ was in the right to keep following, it's mind boggling!
I feel it was, in effect, an order even though the dispatchers words were not worded, "DON'T FOLLOW." ----For sure, Zimmerman should not have followed.
I think the special prosecutor believes it was an order, maybe not "against the law" type of order, but common sense! She also has all the real facts, like where GZ was when he first called 911 and where he "really" parked his vehicle, when he followed Trayvon behind the houses, etc. She also has forensic evidence, like how close GZ was, which angle the bullet entered etc.
I really think Trayvon thought someone with criminal intentions was following him.
Also, it will be interesting to find out if Trayvon's cell phone was still on and not off. (Can investigators learn this from the phone company?")
you all have thoughtful comments
So do I. I think both thought the other was up to no good, and that it was a terrible misunderstanding, on both sides.
Mrperryrice
my point is that it is exactly the fact that people assumed that George Zimmerman is a racist, that made this a racial issue to start with. They were convinced that he was a racist before they even knew any details about the case.
I'm sorry, but if what I have read about his background is true, there is no way that guy is a racist. His suspicions were more then likely based on Martin's demeanor, not his color/race. He wasn't even certain at first that he was black, he confirmed to the dispatcher only after Trayvon turned around to face him.
Also you all talk about Trayvon Martin as if he had been a 10 year old child.
If it turns out to be true that he was getting his head bashed on the sidewalk, I'm sorry but if you were - God forbid - ever in a similar situation, none of you would care if the guy bashing your head was a minor (and you probably wouldn't know either how old the guy is, unless you could manage to convince him to stop bashing your head just so he could show you his I.D.), you would do whatever you can to survive.
Again recently there was an article about a minor who raped an adult woman. I must be a really bad person because I would have shot him if necessary, minor or not I wouldn't have let him rape me. You keep referring to Trayvon as a "child", but there is a big difference between a 10 year old child, and a 17 year old young man, as I mentioned at 15 my son was strong enough to have beaten or killed someone, even men, if he had wanted to do such things, and he is not the only 17 yr old who was/is strong.
And no matter how convinced you may be, we still don't know who initiated the confrontation. Following someone for a while, even if unsafe, is not a crime, even if the outcome was terrible. If it was illegal all the photographs, journalists, and detectives of the world would be in prison right now. I'm sorry but IF (notice here that I said "if") Trayvon waited for Zimmerman or came back to confront him, he is guilty of bad judgement as well, and if he had not done that he would still be alive right now.
As far as the screams on the audio file, I didn't know either guy, therefore I have no idea what Trayvon Martin's voice sounded like, and I don't know what George Zimmerman's voice sounds like when he screams, all I know is that Zimmerman's voice is not particularly low pitch. I will believe that it was Trayvon Martin's voice (or George Zimmerman's) when it is proven in court, not from whatever article I read here, based on a test from people who didn't even have a sample of Trayvon Martin's voice to compare with.
And I will repeat this once more, if Trayvon Martin had been white and George Zimmerman black, or if the roles were reversed (Martin being the neighborhood watcher and Zimmerman being the guy suspected), I would feel the exact same way, and I would give the exact same benefit of the doubt to Trayvon Martin.
Remember the past, remember how many black men, who were later found innocent, were killed by people who assumed that they were guilty. (I am referring especially to the ones who posted death threats here, and to the ones who attacked innocent people and then said "now this is justice for Trayvon".)
If Trayvon's phone was still on, Trayvon's girlfriend might have heard the beginning of the encounter.
Now the truck is somehow not where it is identified by multiple depictions based on THE POLICE REPORTS?
I guess Kennedy's assassin from the grassy knoll is back as well. Next the rumor is going to be out AGAIN that trayvon was down the block and shot in the back while juggling his candy and drink behind him and George was simply trying to get free snacks by robbing him.
Some folks just won't be satisfied even if there were 8 cameras to film from every direction on both George and Trayvon the entire time. Even then there would be claims the video was edited.
Remember the past, remember how many black men, who were later found innocent, were killed by people who assumed that they were guilty.
hmmm 94% of Blacks are killed by Blacks. So either a high percentage of Blacks are wrongly presuming Blacks are guilty or not a lot of innocent blacks are being killed simply because they were mistaken for being guilty of something. I'm not saying a lot of innocent Blacks aren't killed but it isn't for being mistaken of being guilty of something is my GUESS.
MRPerryrice would you care to fill in that blank?
Perhaps Wayno?
Haven't heard from JC in a while either... any input on that 94% and how many innocent Blacks are killed for being mistakenly thought to be guilty of a crime?
Whites are only slightly better in that White victims are 86% of the time killed by Whites. Again I don't think it is because of mistaken Guilt. People just seem to like to kill and keep it in the family so to speak.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm
Now compared to the world we in the USA seem to have a far greater propensity for killing each other but all the same less than 20,000 a year in an ever growing population of 312 million is a small number unless it directly relates to you or someone you know. That is STILL greater than the number of soldiers that get killed by enemy action in a given year. THAT is a scary statistic.
you all have thoughtful comments
She said she heard her boyfriend say "why are you following me", and Zimmerman say "why are you here", and that she heard the headphones fall. But it seems something is missing, I am having a hard time believing that it would be all they said and then one or other initiated a physical confrontation after just that.
Show me a police report showing where GZ's vehicle was parked.
you all have thoughtful comments
Absolutely, and regardless of how tall Trayvon was, he had only turned 17 a few weeks before his DEATH!
He was still a kid! My 20 year old is still a kid!
/pokes trust_verify
Hello, and that one was from me :)
It was intended mainly for people who are posting death threats right now, and who are so totally convinced that George Zimmerman is guilty and some kind of monster, that they would kill him if they saw him. It is an appeal not to make the same mistakes.
I was referring especially to the 1800s and early 1900s (I probably should have specified), cases like Laura Nelson and others.
Jo-An-4354969
Oh whatever Jo-An, I don't mean Trayvon Martin here, but there is plenty of those "kids" who commit all sorts of crimes, including rape and murder. A 20 year old is not a 10 year old, even if you will probably always feel as if your children were still "kids", at 20 year old your son/daughter is not a kid anymore. Lets be realistic on this please.
In case any of you is interested, here is an article about the racist George Zimmerman. There is also a video and a copy of the 4 pages flyer he distributed to the community, it would be worth taking the time to read it.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/george-zimmerman-demanded-discipline-in-racially-tinged-2010-police-corruption-case/
In case you are interested you may want to ck out the post here:
Why would you respond by another attack on GZ's past? If you mean the article about his old myspace, of course I checked (before you told me to do so). Strangely tho there is still no mention of Trayvon's recent pictures, nor of his (and his friends') recent comments on Facebook and Twitter. And those are not from many years ago.
Personally I would prefer to stop the hate and mention all the good things that Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman may have done in the past, if you haven't checked the article please do so, and read the 4 pages flyer that GZ distributed too.
But if you prefer to continue the "lets destroy their characters" way we can do that too (personally to be honest I think it is useless, as I think neither of them is/was perfect, and that they both made mistakes). Check this one then http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/second-trayvon-martin-twitter-feed-identified/
-Anna-
The first time we heard about this case there was and remains every reason to assume, believe and confirm that there was no other reason that Trayvon got targeted by Zimmerman, other than the fact that Zimmerman wrongly profiled him based on his race being the same as the Black youth who were guilty of burglaries in the area -Zimmerman's call to police confirmed that.
Nobody wrongfully assumed Zimmerman was a racist -his profiling the Black kid confirms that; the only thing people didn't know was whether Zimmermans "F-ing cold" was a racial slur "f-ing c%%n". That's got no bearing on the fact that he hunted Trayvon because he was Black like the burglars Zimmie was hunting for and pissed off at.
Mrperryrice
I don't even know what to tell you. You assume that "nobody wrongfully assumed that Zimmerman was a racist". The guy has been raised in a mixed race household, has black friends, was partner with a black guy (his business partner), has campaigned for a black guy who was beaten by a white guy (and a police officer's son on top of that) ... but you probably know all this if you have read the article about his background. What would someone have to do do to prove to you that they are not racist? I really have no idea if all this doesn't convince you that he is not prejudiced against black people.
Personally I don't believe that he profiled Trayvon Martin because he was black, I believe that he profiled him because of his demeanor. If what I have read is true (which I don't know more then you do), TM was taking his time (he was still walking around for over 10 minutes or more), while to get from the mailboxes to his house it should have taken maybe 2 minutes or so. He was talking on the cellphone but GZ possibly couldn't see that, as he was using headphones, therefore he had no idea why he was talking his time like this (instead of just walking at a normal speed, going directly to his house - i.e. the dad's girlfriend's house), and possibly walking somewhat in zig-zags (because sometimes you do that when talking on a cellphone, you don't pay as much attention to your surroundings, which is why there has been so many accidents due to people being distracted while talking on the phone), like someone who is just "walking around, looking about" (as GZ described). GZ being worried because of the recent robberies (if I remember correctly a white guy was also caught), was wondering why this guy (whom he had never seen in the community) was taking his time like that. I honestly don't think any of this had anything to do with TM's race. And we have no idea what the other guys were doing when he profiled them. One of them I think was looking in garbage cans, and if I remember correctly he did profile at least some of them correctly as he effectively stopped a robbery.
If GZ was black you wouldn't think he profiled TM because of his race, and if TM was white you wouldn't think he profiled him because of his race either. You would probably assume without further question that he profiled him because of his demeanor. Everybody gets profiled, blacks and whites, and any other color/race as well, because of their demeanor (not to say there is no racists in the world who would profile someone because of their race/color tho). If I look at your picture for example, I still have no idea what you do for a living or if you may have done something illegal in your life, but if you were walking on the street and I was a cop I would never profile you as a criminal. However if I look at Trayvon's pictures (his recent ones, not the ones when he was 13 year old), he does have that "delinquant" look, at 17 with tattoos, flipping off, and the grill. I would probably profile him as a delinquant, if I had to profile people just by looking at their picture that is (note that I actually have nothing against that look, but it is a look that says "I'm a tough guy, don't mess with me"). Looks and demeanor matter for profiling, if you look like a delinquant you may get profiled as such, even if you are not actually a delinquant.
-Anna-
Dear Anna- There are many Zimmerman Supporters on here who proudly say what they believe -that the burglaries had been committed by Black youths, that Zimmerman had every right to profile the Black youth including Trayvon based on the fact that he and the burglars were Black. Honest people are my favorite people -no matter the race. The other Zimmerman supporters are either more knowledgable or honest than you are on this particular point. They are right -Trayvon's skin made him Zimmerman's target; they are only wrong in feeling this racial profiling is justified, tolerable, or necessary.
Wrong; I'm Black so I see Black people profiling Black youth all the time, and for the same reason Zimmie did it -on account of what they see some youths do; and I call them on it too. Like any other citizen, young, innocent, Black youth who are minding their own business must be protected (by us adults) from being targeting for what others have done. We cannot have laws allowing abuses where they can be profiled and hunted.
Dear Anna- I have honestly shared with you, another ugly Black truth, even some Black People profile Black youth based on the color of their skin being the same as a Black youthful thug; now if Black people are doing it, how valid is it to say that other races are not?
Anna- Thomas Jefferson was in love with a Black slave, had children by her, and kept his own Black children as slaves -yet still he was racist, he did little to fight for their equal treatment. That's racist. Zimmerman's relationships with the Black people in his life does not stop him from being a racist either -as soon as some Black teens caused him to target all Black teens for unequal treatment, then he was guilty of racism. Even though he may have been otherwise a good person. Racism don't mean you are the devil.
-Anna-:
Now that you admit here that you would probably profile Trayvon, are you comfortable to still argue that Zimmerman did not?
Plus when Zimmerman first spotted and began folllowing him he had no way of seeing Trayvon's tatoos or his grill, or the stuff on any of Trayvon's pictures.
Well, at the very least you have come to admit that even you would probably profile Trayvon on sight. So why didn't Zimmerman do it? What do you think?
Mrperryrice
I think we both know that Mrperryrice, and I never referred to these as reasons why GZ may have profiled him.
He DID profile him. Our disagreement is about the nature of the profile. And you are taking my statement a bit out of context here, I said "if I had to profile by looking at pictures" didn't I? Again I repeat, he obviously could not profile him based on what we can see on Trayvon's pictures, and I already mentioned the possible reasons why he profiled him in my previous message, so maybe just read it again if you wish. However, even if I had profiled him that night, I sure as heck wouldn't have followed him, and I would have stayed in my vehicle, of that I am certain. And if my son made this mistake, even without the terrible consequences, I would be angry at him for risking his life. I think most people agree that GZ made a mistake when he followed TM.
Let me clarify something just in case ... note that there was a time (I was a teenager) when I used to hang out with guys who had delinquant tendencies themselves, some of them were arrested for burglary at some point, and one of them was in prison for a few years for another reason, and some of them had tattoos (personally I actually like tattoos). And yeah I would have profiled them too because of their demeanor and appearance, and I could not blame police officers if they profiled them, heck I have been profiled myself eventho I hadn't done anything wrong nor illegal, should I assume that it was based on my race/color? And I'm sorry to point this out but if what I have read about TM's past is true (you probably prefer to believe that none of it is true), and as sad as his death is, he may not have been so far from the truth when he profiled him, eventho he wasn't doing anything wrong that night.
And that you would even compare Thomas Jefferson, a man who owned slaves, who lived at the time of the slave trade, used his own children as slaves, and who obviously did not think of black people as equals, with a man who lives in the present, doesn't even make sense to me. Different era, different mind setting.
From the start, eventho I didn't fall for the pictures and one-sided articles, I thought it was extremely sad that a 17 year old got killed, I understood that TM's parents were sad beyond mesure. But I also felt that both TM and GZ were pretty normal guys, and that they both made mistakes (in the past), and that they possibly both made mistakes that night. IF GZ attacked TM, then he should do the time, no argument there. However profiling TM, and following him, eventho unsafe, was not illegal.
So what are we are debating and arguing about exactly? Is it because you believe that he is prejudiced against black people and I don't believe so? Is it because I don't hate GZ enough? Should I join the hord of haters who post death threats, insults, and "best wishes" (and this without actually knowing if he is guilty of anything else then self-defense)? Should I join people like the ones who attacked Matthew Owens, and then yell "now that's justice for Trayvon"? I have already stated that I do not know what happened exactly that night (other then GZ following for a while, calling 911, the fight, and the death of Trayvon Martin), if you have access to the investigation files and are 100% certain of anything you believe, then good for you, I on the other hand do not have access to these files, I can only base my opinion about this case on the half-facts, half-truths, half-lies, and one-sided stories I have read and heard in the medias, as most people who post their opinion here.
And thank you for calling me either ignorant or dishonest (or both maybe?). I on the other hand, after reading some of your posts, thought of you as a reasonable person. Eventho our opinion differs, I did not assume that you were ignorant nor dishonest, I assumed that we simply had different opinions.
I think you are entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine. But since you consider my opinion that of an "ignorant" and/or "dishonest" person, I see no reason to continue this discussion, as you will assume that anything I may say will be due to my ignorance and/or my dishonesty.
Have a good day Sir.
-Anna-
Thank you; peace and blessings to you also.
And if George is innocent, may he go frre; if guilty, may he go to jail. I hope we will be able to tell.
Mrperryrice
At least we agree on that.
This Web Site was set up for a GOOD cause 87 % of Americas supports Mr. Zimmerman
BS.
The only people coming up with this theory are the ones...supposedly advocating for George.
Its almost like you are asking for someone to assassinate George, so you can claim some kind of bizarre "victory"? It will not be the first, or the last time someone setup a Patsy to take one for the "team" - then did the job themselves, to make sure it happened.
I'm guessing George has more to fear from his "Fan club" - than he does from people looking for justice. A dead George helps the idiots, a George tried and convicted for the crime he committed shows that justice prevails... despite the fabrications and innuendos attempting to justify the killing of a young man peacefully walking home and minding his own business.
Any law, which advocates for murderers needs to be repealed. Even worse is when someone attempts to use such a law as a hunting license. He, George, does not need to be roaming around without supervision (that is reason enough to set a high bail, so he will understand this is serious), ne needs someone to tell him when he is going off the extreme end - since his past behavior is riddled with evidence that he is unable to consistently make the right choice without assistance.
George seems to be addicted to high adrenaline behavior, has little impulse control - unfortunately – he doesn't handle stress very well either. That appears to be a deadly combination for anyone in his vicinity - when he has a gun.
The more u right the less sense u make: I believe I stated that dispatchers are TRAINED or perhaps I used the term CERTIFIED. That still does not make them police officers nor does it give them the power to give ORDERS
who said a dispatcher was trained as a officer? I said they are trained to handle frantic people calling for help. and yes they are trained to give orders u quoted the dispatcher saying they don't need him to do that...thats not giving a order? Now u blaming msnbc for racism how? all the did was make the case public u are the one thats racist!
The argument is frequently made that Blacks do poorly in majority White schools because they are isolated from other Blacks and White institutions do not understand Black culture. There's that double standard again though... now it's because there aren't enough Whites in the system. Let me guess... you want Whitey to send more money because Baltimore Blacks can't support themselves
What are u talking about u just made that up...lol statistic say that black do 70% better at all white school because of the chance of getting a better education that was giving by bill oreilly...u just be randomly spitting out random bull like its truth...and if u didn't know 68% of the welfare recipients are white and 34% black...thats from the census...what do whitey ever pay for? tax payers take care of welfare and when it comes to the world as a whole Europeans take 70% world gross and put in 30% since the days of colonization...No white person put me through college i did, no is taking care of my family but me...I've been working since i was 12 nobody gave us nothing I take care of me and before that my college graduate mother and father took care of us without any government assists and we never staved...Now ima ask again what colleges did you guys go to because the internet does not exclude facts from fiction...and i say that to say this...if u don't have a professional education u are learning right now, I can only debate with my piers...black kill black 94% of the time as well as whites kill whites, Asians kill Asians, and so on...but only black people are the ones projected in the media in this form..there's know such thing is black on black crime there's only crime...just like the rise in AID's in the older white community that u will never see on TV...hospital statistics at John Hopkins say the rise comes from the older white men that sleep with prostitutes and take AID's home...but u would never hear about that cause u sitting in front of a computer rather then a university professor...u no so much about nothing...and still u couldn't say why u called me a racist...if u didn't no since President Obama been in office the dropout rate in the black community dropped by almost 84% and the murder rate dropped by almost half so all this bull u talking is just propaganda...but at the same time the crime rate came from a people trying to survive and regardless of color any group of people put into these circumstances are most likely doomed to do the same thing history shows that...so cut the crap...u can look me up im a very successful business man who gets TV and radio access with easy...No white man helped me do nothing...and i got awards from the different mayors, governors, etc for the reports i wrote...u can look at the pics on my fb, where are your accolades? everything i say I can Post...how bout u...nothing but propaganda...i take complete responsibility for me...u should try it sometimes...hiding behind fake profiles so u can push your racist agenda...this is me all day every day and i probably got more personal white friends then u do....
Wayno Amon Ra:
Fine job helping to correct the mis-information slandering Black folks by those playing the BLAME GAME (even as they criticize others for doing it).
The TOPIC here is Georges bail by extrapolation FL vs Zimmerman or even the incident itself. YOU brought up how poorly Baltimore is doing. I asked for the numbers on some specific cities because of you bringing that into the discussion.
You can't even freaking spell. Electronic ink is inexpensive. Where did you go to college that you learned to BUTCHER the language so horribly? I've seen better grammar in scam email directly from Nigeria. It is difficult to find credibility in what you have to say when we need a translation of what it is you are saying. Don't take that as a personal attack.. it is simply stating a fact.
There is a better cure. Make all schools better and (finally) integrate schools... this time - for real. I understand that schools in more economically endowed neighborhoods have an innate advantage when it come to extra curricular activities. Yes, life fair - but its benefits are never "quite" equally distributed. Where the problem comes in is when these inequities are no just understood - they are institutionalize and systematize to establish a hierarchy.
Public education is not the problem. Its how it is administered which perpetuates stereotypical behavior.
I seriously think the German model for schooling is something we should "return" to. There is nothing wrong with vocational classes for those who by choice or happenstance are unwilling or unfit for college prep.
We need engineers as well as scientists and tradesmen. Not everyone is suited to college, but the way things are presented currently... if you are not going to college - you are deemed substandard. With so much riding on getting into college, is there any wonder why cheating is so prevalent?
If you do not educate ... then you will find the money to incarcerate. Its inevitable that less of one will cause more of the other. People will find a way to get food, shelter, procreate... its what nature asks for.
Wayno Amon Ra,
Just ignore the troll don't trust/never verifies,
he believes he is superior to all others that post here, and thinks it's okay to make personal attacks and defend them as teachable moments!
Beoweolf,
Very good post! In Florida, the better "scoring" schools get all the money, while the struggling schools are punished, rather than helped! Of course the children in the better neighborhood with stay at home mothers, and all the resources in the world are going to produce better scores! It's a no brainer! Yet we continue see the same results year after year by not changing!
Right on!
Only to you cackling hen.
So just where are the mothers of those on welfare and food stamps if they aren't at home? Are you telling me the ENTIRE city of Baltimore is under performing because of lack of funding? As the LARGEST city in the state I don't think so. (Maryland cities by population) I still don't see a ranking of schools for those other cities I listed. AGAIN saying it isn't so does not make it not so. Back your chatter with facts or don't
expectdemand to be believed.trust_verify:
Many of them are working, that's where; or training for work. It's required these days. The age of the welfare Queen has long been over, they are given jobs and training and have joined the ranks of the working poor who get food stamps, etc to make ends meet where paychecks don't go far enough, then they're eased into the work force as correctional officers, health care providers, etc, with living wage jobs, pride and independence. Problem is, when they get on their feet they and their tax dollars move out of the city, leaving less dollars for City Schools and increasing the tax base for County schools.
That's because you are studying population; Wrong, instead you must count dollars the residents earn, the tax base, not just people; that determines how much the schools are funded. Baltimore City workers earn less than their county counterparts so city schools are less funded (how is that hard to comprehend?) that means less money to hire the top teachers, principals, etc or to even outfit the schools themselves. So City students, even though their schools are getting better and they are getting better, still get a lesser education than the surrounding areas, putting them at a disadvantage in the working world outside the classroom. Here's some SunPaper figures comparing city and county stats starting with school principals, who in Baltimore City have been put in charge of their schools and consequently, with more responsibility have improved them -but not to the level of the County Schools.
Wait, let me figure out a better way to post all this stuff.
Working 50 hours a week for minimum wage!
I have no idea what "welfare" even means! Having owned a childcare center for MANY years in the poorest area of our county, I can assure you these parents ARE working! They have a name "working poor", but you wouldn't see them, from up there on your HIGH HORSE!
Jo:
Yup; many are. It's disgusting how people refuse to adjust their cherished and outdated opinions to the current realities. In this Zimmie case and everywhere else. People just love slurping up whatever slop they've been taught negative about outher people. Won't let go of it.
Trust Verify: You have officially been served by one Wayno Amon Ra. Respond to the above post by him please. Less talk more action.
That guy just called you out from under your shadowy bridge -come out and prove that you live what you post. That's all. I've been trying to do the same thing on a different vine to you yesterday; here this guy did it today too -only in a much better way.
So stand up and post what you are about. I doubt you do it; the comfort of your bridge is your security blanket allowing you to tell your lies. Unbelievable -called out 2 days in a row. Scared to show your ugly puss.
Welcome to the ignore list.
trust_verify:
Sure, likely story -my comments are too enthralling to you.
Jo-An-------To continue our discussion (comments #630.13 +#630.15) ------I think Zimmerman considered it an order. Why else would Zimmerman say "OKAY" to the dispatcher?
LOL...
I agree completely! Also, if GZ had any fear of Trayvon, he wouldn't have approached him, he would have remained in his vehicle until the police arrived!
Have you listened to the 911 tape where Trayvon is screaming and pleading for his life? Listen, it is heart wrenching! It's the 3rd call on here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/16/trayvon-martin-911-audio-_n_1354909.html
OK, means - message received. If there was any misunderstanding, if the message was unclear, if there were any dispute over complying with the essential parts of what the message was conveying... ask for clarification. ie. pick up the green peg and put it in the round hole. Then Ok means green peg, round hole.
OK, means ... speak now, or forever hold you peace! Its a verbal contract ... transmitted, received and acknowledged.
Despite the enabling efforts of arm chair, Lay, Lawyers - there was no ambiguity in the message. The acknowledgement of the authority of the Dispatcher is evident in the fact that George - reported the situation to dispatcher. If George felt that he was allowed to act independently - why report to dispatch - why did he accept the message when dispatch confirmed that police were enroute? If you ignore one part of the message ... then its not possible to believe the rest of the message as being enforcable.
It seems zimmie defenders fall into two categories.
1) Zimmie never followed Travyon after he was told not to. Trayvon jumped out and attacked him on his way back to vehicle. Although time stamps on 911 calls make that unlikely.
2) A police dispatcher has no authority, therefore it was OK for GZ to continue the pursuit of his prey! AND Trayvon jumped out and attacked him.
Common denominator in zimmie defenders minds is they BELIEVE Trayvon jumped out and attacked GZ, which is unlikely, unreasonable and unsubstantiated. Yet to them it's golden!
We believe that there was a fight, George was losing, the gun came into play, and sadly Trayvon died. The use of self defense is based on George reasonably believing he was imminently going to receive serious bodily injury if not death unless he did something immediately to end the threat.
trust_verify: Your BULL Crap as usual!
Oh No, that is not what you all believe! And that is not what George already stupidly said. Here it is:
George told you all that, and like sheep you believed it -until George found out every witness said he wasn't on the sidewalk but in the grass before and when he shot the kid -oops! So George told another lie since the headbanging first lie he told wouldn't work:
And you all swallowed that one up too. OOpps!!! So stick with those lies you swallowed not this foolishness you switched up to above:
Nope; you said his head was getting banged on the sidewalk and Trayvon was going for Georges gun.
Stick with your lies please. George has to stick with them -oops! He was nowhere near the sidewalk.
-Anna_
Apologies for not responding to your question sooner. My answer to your question would have to be that I'm not aware of who directly confronted who. But, I'd consider someone following another to be a confrontational act, especially if they're aware of you following them.
And considering the statements Zimmerman made to the "dispatcher", He was preparing himself for confrontation.
"these @!$%#s always get away" Statements like this say a lot about a persons frame of mind and suggest that they are ready, willing and able to put a stop to what they're perceiving to be wrong.
Is it a coincidence that these statements were made prior to someone being killed. I'd say you'd have to stretch your imagination pretty far to believe that. But we don't know.
On the other hand, if you are being followed. What would be going through you mind? Maybe you'd be preparing yourself for fight or flight.
I'd consider being followed a confrontation act in itself if it were me, maybe that's what Trayvon was thinking. I certainly don't believe that Zimmerman somehow "lost" his intended target, and Trayvon double back and attacked him. I just don't believe that.
I you are following someone and you state, "they always get away" as Zimmerman did. I think that frame of mind, knowing you are armed turns to "not this time".
You could hear it in his voice on the tape, he was basically preparing himself aloud.
Your last two paragraphs are very well stated. Good summary.
trayvon100,
I hope you don't mind, I borrowed your post and added it to mine, as it sums up my "thoughts' Perfectly! It was also a response to -Anna- and I told her it was yours, but just wanted you to know!
#563.43 - Wed May 2, 2012 7:56 AM EDT
I read someone's opinion yesterday, that it's not GZ per say, that people are defending, it's "themselves" they are defending.....
They think it could be THEM, meeting up with a "big black teenage boy" and they want to MAINTAIN the RIGHT TO BLOW HIM AWAY!
Jo-An-435969
I don't mind at all. Your last sentence is exactly right. I think it's the "legal right" to do this, that's being defended and supported. By some.
To me even if Zimmerman gets off, it's not going to bring Trayvon back. But steps should be taken to prevent something like this from happening in the first place. The laws regarding "stand you ground" and neighborhood watch persons need to be seriously reviewed and restricted.
I was reading up on Florida's version of "stand your ground" law, and believe it or not, there is a provision in that law that states "even if you initiate the confrontation, and subsequently feel that your life is threatened, you may use deadly force to counter that threat".
So you could go and pick a fight with someone, and if they start beating the crap out of you, you could shoot them and claim self defense under "stand your ground"
Technically Trayvon and Zimmerman both had "stand your ground" rights that night. But Trayvon is not alive to invoke his rights.
Somebody said in one of the earlier posts that it should be called "the last man standing" law.
Jo-
That's it!!! You/they got it.
People jumped on the bandwagon because they reacted strongly to the campaign ran by the public relations firm hired by Trayvon's family (and by Trayvon's family themselves), where they depicted their son as a defenseless child, and George Zimmerman as a hardened criminal. At this point, without having much details at all about the case, people were 100% convinced that GZ attacked TM, and that GZ was the worse criminal on earth, worse then Ted Bundy (if that's even possible) if I judge by the reactions and the hate directed at him. They also identified with Trayvon's parents (so did I), and with Trayvon as a person who could have been their child, as the statement from President Obama demonstrates: "if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon", and as all the "I am Trayvon" t-shirts and other items demontrates also very well. In other words, they are the ones defending themselves.
The people who "defend George Zimmerman", didn't fall for the manipulation, they are actually defending the Constitution, defending "innocent until proven guilty", and defending the right for self-defense. Personally I am also defending my own son's right (who by the way, is a rather young man himself, but is old enough to have a concealed weapon permit), who is an honest and responsible citizen, to use his gun if he ever had to (and I assure you that he hopes he will never have to), without being considered as some kind of "monster" for doing so (as it seems to be the general opinion here that someone who carries and/or use his/her gun is some kind of criminal). They are also defending the right for people to look out for their neighbors, and ask a stranger a simple question, without getting attacked, and then charged with murder if they are attacked and have to defend themselves.
Eventho most agree with the right for Trayvon Martin's parents to get to the bottom of the case, they disagree with their manipulative and dishonest campaign, which ruined a man's life (not to mention attacks on people supposedly in the name of "justice for Trayvon", and all the other nice stuff that has happened since they started their campaign), and this whether he is guilty or not, as for the time being they do not know if he is guilty of anything else then self-defense.
No matter how painful it is to lose a child, they should have been honest about their son's appearance and personality, instead of depicting him as an innocent and defenseless 12 year old child, and they should have been honest about George Zimmerman as well, instead of doing their best to destroy his character, and using a picture and events from 2005, from what was possibly the worse time of his life, instead of a recent picture. They should have simply told it like it is: "our son was killed that night, we do not think the investigation was thorough, and we want to know what happened".
Personally I perceive Trayvon Martin as a pretty normal 17 year old, even if a bit delinquant (I judge by his comments (and his friends') on his Facebook and Twitter accounts, the suspensions, and the most recent pictures). And I perceive George Zimmerman as a pretty normal guy as well (as opposed to "cold blooded killer", "monster", and all the nice names people have been calling him) who was looking out for his neighbors, noticed a stranger he thought was acting a bit strange, got worried because of the recent robberies in the neighborhood, and then proceeded to follow the stranger for a while. Unfortunately for both of them the outcome was terrible.
And for the time being none of us knows how the confrontation started.
This is George Zimmerman in 2010, not in 2005:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/george-zimmerman-demanded-discipline-in-racially-tinged-2010-police-corruption-case/
GZ DID shoot and kill a 17 year old!
Yup, that sums it up.
The things written about Zimmerman were TRUE! If the cops hadn't called GZ "squeaky clean", the filth wouldn't have needed to be dug out of the trash. Sorry you don't like the facts, but GZ's past is what it is!
On the other hand, the smear campaign against Trayvon was mostly MADE UP. What wasn't made up was irrelevant to the shooting!
You don't know how he was dressed that night, other than wearing a hoodie in the rain. And by all accounts Trayvon's "personality, was pleasant, and he had NO history of violence, NONE, which can't be said of GZ!
The things written about
ZimmermanTrayvon were TRUE! If thecopsparents hadn't calledGZTM "squeaky clean", the filth wouldn't have needed to be dug out of the trash. Sorry you don't like the facts, butGZ's TM's past is what it is!Jo-An
I don't even know why I am replying to you anymore, it is so incredibly useless, I guess I can't help it lol. It doesn't matter what I say, you and I both know that you will disagree, heck at this point I know the drill so well that I could almost write your replies to me for you LOL. Even when I come up with facts, at first you denie and tell me "where did you see that!!!!, and then when I show you, you make excuses anyway lol (like about that public relations firm that TM's family hired). Even when I mention something that would be common sense to me (like calling 911) you make excuses again. And it's cute how you conveniently cut my sentences too.
Yes I am also defending my own son's, and everybody else's, right to self-defense. Nothing wrong with that.
Which doesn't mean that he attacked him. And I know he was 17 year old. And a minor shot and killed in cold blood 3 people at a store in North Carolina. And a 15 year old raped an adult woman. And a 12 year old shot his stepmother, who was pregnant with his half-brother, in the head, in cold blood. And a bunch of youths (30 to 100) attacked a couple a few days ago. And about 20 people, including children, attacked a guy a few weeks ago and left him in critical condition. So what's your point with the age thing again? Yes he was young, and indeed it is sad that he died, I am not disagreeing with that. However if he was bashing GZ's head on the sidewalk OR was trying to grab his gun, I don't think it left GZ much choice at that point. What would you do if, lets say a 6' tall, 15 year old, started punching you and bashing your head on a wall for example? would you just let him kill you (or put you in critical condition) because he's 15???? Personally, I'm sorry but my survival instinct is still intact, and I would defend myself any way I can. I would be sad about it tho if I had to kill him, I think most people don't actually enjoy killing someone, and even less when it is a child or minor.
What filth needed to be dug out of the trash? they trashed GZ right from the start, not only exagerating facts, using a 7 year old picture, and feeding us with half-truths, to make him as bad as possible, but also that "dirt" was from many years ago. Meanwhile they depicted TM as an innocent and defenseless child.
Of course!! everything about Trayvon is obviously made up, it can't possibly be true can it? And there was NO campaign against Trayvon. Just a few people who dug up his past, recent pictures (NOT from 7 years ago), and his accounts on different networks (also NOT from 7 years ago), in response to the one-sided campaign, which depicted TM as a defenseless child, and GZ as a hardened criminal.
Don't worry tho, you will know soon enough if any of it was true because O'Mara already mentioned that if Crump uses GZ's myspace and past, he will then assume that TM's comments and past will be fair game as well, and that he will use them in court. And contrary to what you said, if it is relevant to use GZ's past from 7 years ago, it sure is relevant to use TM's recent past as well. See contrary to TM's parents, O'Mara was honest about GZ's myspace, he didn't denie that it used to be his. However TM's parents, if it comes up in court, will finally have to admit the accounts were their son's. I can tell you right now Jo-An, O'Mara probably wouldn't have mentioned that he would use TM's tweets, if he wasn't certain that they were indeed his.
Yeah I can tell he had a very pleasant personality from the "flipping off" picture. What the heck does the hoodie have to do with anything? or the way he was dressed? You're right I don't know how he was dressed that night, and I think it's irrelevant actually (I don't think that GZ profiled him because of his clothes), but I'm pretty d*** sure that that he didn't look like a 12 year old.
Nah Trayvon was not violent at all, his friends congratulated him about punching someone (they must have been dreaming), asked him for some "plant" (again they were dreaming), items that didn't belong to him were found in his bag, and his locker (surely that's all lies too), and himself told a friend to shoot someone (from the Twitter account he used before the NO_LIMIT_NIGGA one), but that's not violent at all. And "he was just 17!!!!".
Does it matter to you that all that crap was made up about Trayvon?
http://gawker.com/5897485/white-supremacist-hacks-trayvon-martins-email-account-leaks-messages-online
MAR 29, 2012 3:44 PM
By the way -Anna- the "flipping off" picture has even been declared a fake by you high priest , the almighty "trust" lol, and "verify"......
A white supremacist hacker claims to have broken into Trayvon Martin's email and social networking accounts and posted his private messages online.
"I realize that some of this information might be to [sic] extreme to believe," a hacker named Klanklannon wrote, according to Gawker, which has an original copy of the message thread posted to the popular, unruly message board 4chan. "That's why I offer you evidence. Here are my sources."
Editor's note: Some readers may find language in this article objectionable.
A slide posted to the message board titled "Trayvon Martin Used Marijuana Habitually," apparently shows a conversation between Martin and a friend about getting high. Another alleged that Martin was a drug dealer and showed a picture of Martin standing "aggressively with a large amount of cash in his hand."
Gawker reported that Klankannon shared several of Martin's usernames and email accounts on the thread. The hacker also said that the passwords had been changed to racist slurs like "@!$%#@!$%#@!$%#" and "coontrayvon@!$%#."
Martin, 17, was shot and killed by self-appointed neighborhood watch member George Zimmerman as Martin returned to his father's house in Sanford, Fla., on the night of Feb. 26. Zimmerman claimed that Martin looked "suspicious" in a 911 call. Not long after the call, Martin and Zimmerman engaged in a fight, and Zimmerman shot Martin in the chest. Zimmerman was not charged in the shooting, which has sparked a national outcry and drawn considerable media attention.
A much-circulated photo of a grimacing teen with his middle finger extended -- that many right-leaning sites have suggested is the Trayvon Martin the "mainstream media" does not want the public to see -- was also originally circulated on the white supremacist site stormfront.org, according to the Columbia Journalism Review. The person in that photo was not Martin, but another teenager who shared the name.
Slate's political reporter Dave Weigel, who has long covered the conservative movement, said that the misattributed photo was "part of a new cottage industry of 'truth about Trayvon' content, calibrated to convince people that they really shouldn't worry about the implications of this killing."
"Why, the kid wasn't even a saint!" Weigel said of the logic of such conservative sites. "He might have been shot after brawling with the man who creeply [sic] followed him around the gated community?"
But Gawker's Adrian Chen wrote that the attempts to smear Martin have backfired "because the picture they paint is of a normal high school junior preparing for college."
A screenshot of Trayvon's Gmail inbox our source provided us is heartbreaking. Martin apparently used his Gmail account for his college search, and it's filled with emails about upcoming SAT tests and scholarship applications. ("Trayvon, now is the best time to take the SATs!") One email included the results of a career aptitude test, our source said. It "talked about his interest in aeronautics and stuff."
This is not the first time Martin's online life has made the news. Earlier this week, conservative site Daily Caller obtained and posted messages from Martin's since-deleted Twitter account that date back to the beginning of the year. When The Huffington Post talked to the Caller's executive editor, David Martosko, who published Martin's tweets under his byline, Martosko said that he did so because his audience was hungry for information about the Martin shooting and the two people involved.
"These were not protected tweets," Martosko said. "While he was alive, these were not outside of the public sphere in any shape or form."
Martosko said that the Caller ran Martin's tweets "without value judgment," and would that he would publish Zimmerman's tweets if he was made aware of an account opened and used by Zimmerman.
Here is Trayvon's football coach's opinion of him:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogallery/69604463/News/Carter-Eve-was-Trayvon-s-football-coach
He says he was a hard worker, good kid, NOT aggressive
Of couse, why believe him....
Jo-An-4354969
By the way -Anna- the "flipping off" picture has even been declared a fake by you high priest , the almighty "trust" lol, and "verify"......
LOL High priest.
I do not recall "declaring" that phot as being a fake. I repeated the claim it was not him and was a different Trayvon Martin and accepted it as probable. The golden grille though has not been disputed nor have the tat photos. #NO_LIMIT_NIGGA has been been acknowledged by silence on the matter and the golden grille is embedded there and was there prior to his death.
The CLAIMS some one hacked his accounts appear to have been there since late March. Why is that only coming to light at this late stage of the story? Perhaps because that information has not been independently confirmed?
He says he was a hard worker, good kid, NOT aggressive
Right a NON AGGRESSIVE football player.
It's funny that you won't take waglist as a source and yet slate is in the same category/class.
I wouldn't expect you to "recall" anything, but you did! You just don't want to admit that Michelle Malkin made up an entire website just to smear a 17 year old reputation. She tweeted a bunch of lies and you bought the whole parcel! No verifying needed! Just pass it along...no one pays attention to the "retractions", everyone knows that!
Correction, 8:56 pm ET March 25, 2012: We made a mistake. The photo on the right is not of the Trayvon Martin who was shot by Zimmerman. We apologize to our readers and to the Martin family.
http://twitchy.com/2012/03/25/why-teamdueprocess-is-important-for-justice/
A Michelle Malkin invented website, made to SMEAR Trayvon Martin's integrity!
Announcing Twitchy.com
By Michelle Malkin • March 7, 2012 10:28 AM
And the gullible, that can't think for themselves buy it, hook, line and sinker!
Jo:
chirp...chirp...
So quiet.
Its easy to tell a lie. Its easier still to sell it to people who want to believe it. The hard part is keeping it going once you start deconstruction of the foundations of that lie.
Just a recount of the highlights:
This started out with the Sanford PD saying - there is no case, no smoking gun - no crime. It doesn't warrant further investigation.
And the Gullible public wanted to believe.
Then it was said that George was squeaky, clean. A little investigation and crap started falling out of the sky; a history of run in with authority, domestic abuse, assaults.
But the Gullible public wanted to believe.
The tapes came out, then the girlfriends "ear witness" confirmation came out.
still the gullible public wanted to believe.
George will never be arrested - was the claim. then he was. he'll get own recognisance - but he didn't. Pity "poor George - he's broke, too broke to get bail money. Then its reveal - after his release that he lied abot that too.
Again the gullible public wanted to believe.
Step-by-step, layer by layer the onion gets peeled back to its rotten core. At that rotten core sits the naked fact, the truth that cannot be denied... any justification at its heart must rest on the assumption that a mistake was made or there were extenuating circumstances for the killing of a child who was not engaging in any criminal enterprise or even the appearance of one ... at the time of his being targeted for summary execution. Trayvon was not a crook. George was not an agent of any Armed enforcement agency. There was no emergency. And Back up was on the way.
lost in the scenerio is - none of this had to happen. Geoge could have, should have and had every opportunity to wait for the police to arrive.
However unlikely, there are some gullible members of the public who still want to believe.
After the fact... George is alone because he sold "trust" and delivered "Lies". He's is asking strangers for money, not because he is being persecuted, but because his lies have alienated the very people he claimed to be helping.
Shepards know that once a sheep dog starts killing sheep, he needs to be put down or placed somewhere he cannot have the opportunity to fail at his duty again. The sheep will never be safe, because they have been raised to see the sheep dog as being under control... they'll be vulnerable because they can't understand the danger among them. He, the rouge sheep dog, can never again be trusted to care for his charges - once he crossed the line to kill indiscriminately instead of protect.
Too late, Trayvon saw the danger - paid for it with his life. The rest of us see him for what he is.
Yet, some of the public still, regardless of whatever oozes out of the Zimmermann camp - want to go way beyond having an open mind - they are actively seeking to recruit others to disregard mounting inconsistancy - hoping that gulliblity is contagious.
Beoweolf:
Excellent; insightful, so true.
Beoweolf:,
Well said!
Mrperryrice,
Ditto!
More Proof of SMEAR Campaign
The racist smear campaign against Trayvon Martin, the unarmed black teen shot to death last month in Florida, has reached a new level of ghoulishness. A white supremacist hacker says he's broken into Martin's email and social networking accounts, and leaked his private Facebook messages. We've been able to confirm that at least one email account that belonged to Martin was cracked.
The hacker, who goes by the name Klanklannon, posted what he said were Martin's private Facebook messages to the politics section (NSFW) of the anarchic message board 4chan—called "/pol/"—Tuesday afternoon at around noon. The messages were posted on four slides, strategically arranged to back up the insane racist argument that Trayvon was a Scary Black Teenager and so somehow deserved to be killed by neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman that night.
A slide titled "Trayvon Martin Used Marijuana Habitually," features an exchange between Trayvon and a friend about getting high. Another slide, "Trayvon Martin was a Drug Dealer" features Facebook messages and photos that supposedly prove Martin dealt drugs, including a picture of Martin posing "aggressively with a large amount of cash in his hand." It's impossible to verify the hacked messages' authenticity—like other anti-Trayvon Martin propaganda, they're probably a mix of real and fake content— but they are now being passed around as gospel among the racist underbelly of the internet, including message boards like the neo-Nazi hive Stormfront, which Klanklannon apparently frequents.
In addition to the Facebook messages, Klanklannon posted a list of usernames and passwords for Martin's social media and email accounts as proof of his exploits. All of the passwords had been changed to racist slurs. (Gmail: "@!$%#@!$%#@!$%#" Twitter: "coontrayvon@!$%#")
"I realize that some of this information might be to (sic) extreme to believe," Klanklannon writes in a copy of the original 4chan thread we've obtained. "That's why I offer you evidence. Here are my sources."
The list included login details for Martin's Gmail, Yahoo, MySpace, and Twitter accounts. A source who came across the 4chan post when it was live was able to use the information to log onto Martin's Gmail account Tuesday night. Our source panicked upon seeing that trolls had started using the account to send emails under Martin's name, and deleted the account. (An email sent to Martin's Gmail address bounced back today; Martin's Twitter account has also been deactivated. His MySpace page is still up, showing that the last login was Tuesday.)
On 4chan, Klanklannon made clear their intention to smear Trayvon. Klanklannon introduces the post with, "Today /pol/, tomorrow CNN." One 4chan user told us Klanklannon had been attempting to break into Martin's accounts for days, posting periodic updates to the board.
"Where did all the liberals go?," Klanklannon taunted after posting his slides. "Did they run off because they can't handle the facts?"
But Klanklannon included none of Martin's emails in his leak, because the picture they paint is of a normal high school junior preparing for college. A screenshot of Trayvon's Gmail inbox our source provided us is heartbreaking. Martin apparently used his Gmail account for his college search, and it's filled with emails about upcoming SAT tests and scholarship applications. ("Trayvon, now is the best time to take the SATs!") One email included the results of a career aptitude test, our source said. It "talked about his interest in aeronautics and stuff."
http://gawker.com/5897485/white-supremacist-hacks-trayvon-martins-email-account-leaks-messages-online
Jo-An-4354969:
Jo, we know none of that tripe will matter in the courtroom. They are doing a whole lot of smearing for nothing.
Yup!! Ole Zimmie won't have any of that stuff in there with him, he'll be there all alone. Even his lawyer will get to go home. Not 'Ole Zimmie. He's on his own in this one. He'll have plenty company when he gets to jail though. But not in the courtroom. Whew!! Glad it's not me. Poor Zimmie.
People are so gullible! So scared of every damn thing!
BOO! Did ya jump?
LOL....Hyena here!
Glad I'm not zimmie either! He made a mistake, and then he LIED! Bad,bad, bad...
Hi Jo-
Yes, and as Beoweolf so aptly put it, it's because they want to believe the crap and will not let go regardless of the proof. They will continue to slurp it up just because they want to. Wanting to slurp it is more important than actually believing in it to them. Still won't help George in that courtroom.
Yes, then he lied again, then again, and those lies are chained to him like an albatross -in the face of all that evidence contradicting them...poor George. He will not be able to even take the stand and have to explain that headbanging sidewalk stuff when everybody saw they were not near the sidewalk when he shot the kid, or how he felt threatened when the other person is screaming for their life, or how he did not find or approach Trayvon when the girl heard him do it -tsk, tsk, tsk for old George. Having to explain one lie is one thing, but a whole series of them? George is toast.
How do you think George would prefer his tail toasted: lightly brown by avoiding trial & copping out to Manslaughter? or toasted dark and crispy by facing trial on Murder 2 and facing all those years for having been caught lying in court? Lol.
Bad,bad, bad...
Good Morning Mrperryrice!
I believe ole zimmie will go for a light tail toasting! He will cop a plea for Manslaughter! When the prosecutor gives O'Mara the evidence she has, he will yuck his tail between his legs, and ask for a nice secluded cell. He will cry and cry...and hope some jailer feels sorry for him, thereby granting him "solitary"...LOL...Poor zimmie...
These Trayvon haters won't believe a drop of evidence in favor or Trayvon's personality, or behavior...they HAVE to believe he was a big black badass thug, asking for it, otherwise they are just plain ole racists and they can't believe that about themselves.....
Your buddy jim60's whooping it up again...
Zimmerman's attorney apologizes for client's apology to Trayvon Martin's parents
It took you long enough to dig that out... almost two weeks. You really need to keep up.
Talk about blowing a statement out of proportion. But then again the Martin camp had been saying they wanted an apology and when offered they declined to hear it. Then instead of responding directly they held a press conference and did not bother to inform George or his lawyer....
We want him charged... = we want him convicted
We want him arrested = we want him convicted
We want an apology = we won't accept an apology.
We want want want... our lawyer to speak for us because every time we open our mouths we say the wrong thing and it comes back to bite us in the face.
You are certifiable! That was between Mrperryrice AND me, of course, you just can't help yourself...
WTF??? Babble someplace else...
Mrperryrice.....
the patients have taken the keys....
they're running the nut house!
LOL I love u Jo-An!!!
Jo- 'Ole Trust verify cannot tell the truth or keep his word about anything. He posted this to me Tuesday and has not kept his word yet -yet he is the Statistician, worthy of Trust! Ha-ha; yet can't even tell the truth:
I posted him this:
He hasn't ignored me yet!!! Sure enough, I was right -he's following me and you both around. From Wednesday until today he has posted comments to me, posted comments about my comments, posted my name -can't get enough of me; he finds new ways to respond to me! I'm on ignore yet he's not ignored me yet. And God knows he's unable to sleep unless he challenges you to his infamous "pissing contest", he cannot ignore you either after saying he'd stay out of your business as long as it does not involve him. Well, he's just lying on both counts as usual -like Georgie Zimm. Can't keep a story or position straight. At least Trust isn't on trial for murder though. But he needs to go on trial for character assasination and lying -against you, me, Trayvon, and a bunch of other people he's lied on.
Yet he'll keep on with his stats and sources that are asinine as hell, because they don't have a damn thing to do with what's going to happen in this trial. He's just occupied with anti-Black stats, researching them, posting them, commenting on them -and they don't mean a hill of beans to this trial. Why does he do it? There's an ulterior motive his secret agenda!!!
MR Rice
good bye....
Hey Jo:
I see you have another admirer. Also, never forget : o'le Can't Trust 'em to Verify is an admirer too -only he doesn't know how to talk to women, so he invites them to "pissing contests" (his description) instead. Lol.
trust_verify:
See? you were not even strong enough to ignore that! Ok though; we'll see.
Jo:
Ha-ha. Let me check 'Ole Antebellum South Jimbo out now. (He surely misses the Jim Crow Years).
Sheesh, a girl goes to Happy Hour and all HELL breaks out! LOL....
Wayno Amon Ra & Mrperryrice...Love you TOO!
If u are offended because I called the white people animals that facilitate this madness then u must be one of them if not then SHUT UP!! How many times did I write that it wasn't all white people but u just going to keep finding ways to me the bad guy for defending us regardless facts are facts This is what stand your ground do for black people in FLORIDA
Abused Wife Marissa Alexander Faces 20 Year Sentence, “Stand Your Ground” Law Fails Her
May 3, 2012
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By Danielle Young, Associate Editor
The same “Stand Your Ground Law” that’s been said to be George Zimmerman’s–Trayvon Martin’s killer–saving grace from conviction doesn’t quite hold up for Marissa Alexander. This woman is someone who had been abused by her husband and finally fought back–with force, in Florida–the place where the “Stand Your Ground” Law seemingly protects cold blooded murderers.
It really does depend on who you are, whether or not the “Stand Your Ground” Law will protect you.
Black Man Who Killed White Man Remains in Jail While Using Florida's "Stand Your Ground" Defense
Seeded on Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:30 PM EDT
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Jo-An-4354969
I know completely what u mean its always everything else other then what the facts are...I'm on here to represent my community not for a grammar test seem to me u need help in a few departments in your life i could easily do a spell check after typing my perspective between my real work but I didn't think that was an issue knowing that everyone now a days speak & type in text (talking about phone texting lingo) lol but some how the little uneducated man is going to point out grammar...so typical
Wayno Amon Ra,
Yes, the other day I replied with basically that statement, "it's not the grammar or spelling, it's the point, and content that is important." I hit post, and my internet was OUT, for the next 6 HOURS! The next day I saw it never was posted....
Yup, he has nothing better to do, it's a superiority complex! Some, just believe they are "better" than everyone else, so they can't resist!
LOL....
Then why is it that many liberals say that conservatives are stupid and uneducated? Do liberals have a superiority complex as well?
I agree and I hate the grammar police. I usually only make comments when the grammar policeman makes a spelling error (my favorite) or when it is impossible to understand what a person is saying because they don't use any periods or capital letters and all of their sentences just run together.
Wayno Amon Ra,
Man, witnesses and everything on the man's side, police still locked him up. Look's like he's entitled to the defense yet all the pro-gun, stand your ground defenders of Zimmie are not in favor of standing up for this man and defending him and their precious law. Wonder why not? Hmmm?
Hey, where are all you Stand Your Ground guys now that a White thug is killed under it by a Black man??
You all are some disgusting hypocrites -& racists. Equal treatment for all!!! Guess not if you are Black.
Or a black woman with a husband with a history of abuse! That's Florida for ya! I know, I live here!
Jo-An:
Jo, is that Black woman Black? -SHE IS!!?? Well, that it's for her-she's toast too!
No equal treatment for her either. Nope, no matter; not entitled to SYG defense. No SYG gun fans for her at all. She's Black -end of story -second amendment privileges not meant for her kind either.
I know, eh? The first time I read it, it was given as the "well here's what happens if YOU shoot and you are "black" and a "woman", sheeeeeeeeesh....she only shot her gun in the air! And did NOT kill anyone!
No SYG for her! Someone explain!
Oh, wait, never mind, I know! Second class citizens, right?
Jo-An
No sir, you will not get the Zimmie Gun nuts to explain their silence for gun rights in this case.
Chirp...chirp...
Only the crickets are out.
But the whole Fox Fear Factory and all it's right wing automatons are out full force when the Black kid is killed under the law by anybody who is not Black -even somebody like over zealous Zimmie whose actions are so flawed not even his neighbors or the home association is defending him.
Shame on the pro-gun nuts for not rising to this woman's right to use SYG in her own home. Shameful.
I know....
There are some real morons out there! It's funny when they have all the excuses for the "weakling" zimmie, but not a drop of compassion for a woman, truly in fear for her life! If her abusive husband had killed "her", it would have been swept under the carpet TOO!
Oh, yeah, they would give us the old, "black on black crime".....yet I don't ever hear the term "white on white" crime.....hmmmmmm.....why is that???
Jo-An:
It's so apparent; not even their gun law, or SYG is of paramount importance to them -MY GOD, it's race. Race? As inconsequential a thing that is. If we were not the same race, we could not even procreate. But cannot tell that to the right wing gun nuts -every single thing is about race.
From the Blacks, the Jews, the Mexicans, the what else? Foxx will tell us shortly what else.
Pitiful.
I am proud, nobody can ever say Black Americans are not loyal. Criticize everything else -threaten this country, we fight!!!!!!
That's because Black People don't have a political apparatus and agenda to systematically demonize and slander White folks.
In most Black circles, you will get cussed out for talking about White folks are the problem.
Hell, in Black gatherings you're subject to get cussed out for even mentioning the stuff White folks are actually guilty of. No Sir, in the average Black life you cannot demonize White folks. We blame each other -we keep this up, having the focus on ourselves, and we'll continue to solve our problems. Especially that damn ugly as$ Crime rate. Dammit to hell!!!!! -I've been guilty of it too :{ Dammit !!! :-{ Damn!
Jo-An!!!!
Ha ha ha!
Black folks get together to talk about what the problem is -they cuss each other out, and then the talks break down!!! Ha ha. Ain't no blaming the White folks.
Something really Phucked up like this Trayvon mess has got to happen before Black folks get together and attack White folks.
That's why you never hear about White folks White on White crime rate. Nobody is out to demonize them
-except (oh hell, this might get me in trouble) maybe a lot of Arab Muslims, at least the ones who think and preach that White Christian America is the great Satan.
Mrperryrice,
It's Sunday, the sun is shining, the water is flat, I'm outta here!
I'll bring a conch back for you!
I read all these hate filled rants about what Mexicans, Blacks, Middle Easterners are doing - getting away with and how its ruining the country, keeping so many people up nights... cowering in the corners, ever vigilant - waiting for some dirty minority to crawl through the window and rape their wife, daughter, Grandmother or steal their 40 inch TV. But again that night, because they were ready for 'em... the bad guy didn't show up.
I wonder? Maybe it's because all those Black guys were at home, sleeping well - never giving a thought to why his White neighbor was so up tight - up all night, sweating bullets. Must be a bad case of nerves... some pepto will help with that. And maybe a toke of weed... I know there is some in the house, 'cause I saw his son (and 3 of his buddies) on TV, being pulled over by the cops for buying some over in the wrong part of town.
Shouda' checked the newspaper for where they were holding the suprise check points this weekend. ;)
Beoweolf,
It's the fear factor! Glenn Beck, Sean hannity, Rush Limabaugh, and the rest of the Faux gang spread it nightly, and these guys gobble it up, like candy!
Roger Ailes is making the rwnj's into gullible saps! I don't know if you read this before, I've posted the link many times, but it gives a clear picture of the Faux agenda...
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525
Good reading!
Jo-An: Great Article.
Thanks for the link to the Rolling Stone article. Wow! I've read just 4 pages and saving the rest for after I get some rest.
It is very enlightening, letting you see how and why the fear factory masquerading as a news network, Fox News, was created and came to be so successful in feeding on the fears of unsuspecting right wingers.
This Roger Ailes (I remember his 197os show Hot Line Baltimore) disguised highly talented political rhetoricians in the garb of news people, then disguised a right wing political agenda as news, and had these political operatives now dressed as newsmen, deliver and present the agenda in a big political show as though it is the news, namely Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc.
People do not know it is politics, they think this stuff is real news. And they attract the masses of right wingers by portraying them as being victimized and under a never ending threat of this people, that people, and the other people. The Blame Game par excellence.
Just as I suspected. Whatever hardships or troubles the masses are having, the so-called Fox News must blame it on somebody else, riling up the people to vote for the agenda that is their savior. Bullcrap. And they feed on the White folks struggling the most, as they are always the most gullible to vote for the agenda that tells them it's somebody else's fault not their own. And that's why Rush and the rest constantly feed the people the race issue as news. Ingenious, evil strategy.
Man, folks have to read this. I'll finish it tomorrow. Thanks Jo. All this political stuff perpetrating as news. People are being tricked. Our country is crazy! Ha ha. But Fox has been so successful because so many want it to be true. Fox is telling them what they want to hear. Too bad it's a lie.
Fine Job Joe!
I know! It's crazy, I always suspected....
but for this guy to be this devious, and maniacal, it's scary....
Starts first thing in the morning with those three kooks sitting on a couch, parroting Rogers dream!
Jo-An:
Yup; the kingmaker! The grandest of puppeteers! So many puppets -and worse yet, victims.
He had to be a master media manipulator to make his first politician, 'ole Richard Nixon, palatable for public consumption -Rolling Stone's description of that process is an Ah-Ha! moment for sure. Ailes strategy for fixing Nixon's ugly media deficits by ducking the legitimate news organizations and newspeople and replacing them with his orchestrated political shows designed to look like news events -deception to the core, but ingenious. Never mind all those suckered victims who thought Ailes' political showcasing of Nixon was really news. The media ugly Nixon appeared attractive enough for people to vote for him as an alternative to -THE FEAR FACTOR ENTERS!! -all the 1960s Civil Rights legislation that was, YIKES!!! -destroying the America of poor and working White Americans. Nixon will fix it!!!
They fell for it, hook, line, sinker -and Nixon and his vice President (ex-Govenor of my state) Spiro T. Agnew both went out ingloriously; Nixon resigned in disgrace to avoid criminal prosecution and prison -by getting to name his own vice president, who would become President and Pardon Nixon of his criminal offenses and stopped the prosecution -and Nixon escaped punishment for his crimes. He was Ailes first attack upon the American people -and he did it all without Fox; wow he's got Fox News now and is really doing damage. Poor unsuspecting Americans -we're at his mercy. This man is a monster!!! And Fox News is his instrument!!! WHEW!!!
You've summed it up nicely!
I really like the part, where he (Ailes) is AFRAID, himself! He should be! And Limbaugh is a "dear friend"....explains a lot!
They should make a movie about his reign of terror, but then FAUX would be out of business!
"The Maniacal Mr Ailes" lol
Jo-An:
HBO will do it; they never give a damn about public opinion -that's why I love their shows. Truth of the sorty is all that matters. Have you ever seen their show "OZ?" or my all-time favorite filmed in bBaltimore called "The Wire?" Number one show in South Africa, the UK, oh no, but not the USA where the SOPRANOS reigned supreme. Ever see the Wire? Tell me Jo. Nothing in cenematic history fools with the wire.
I loved the movies about Hoffa, on and on; we need one about this 80 year old ghoul whose persoanl vision shaped American Politics and race relations since Criminal President Republican, right winger, unattractive, hunch-backed Richard Nixon. America needs to know. You were posting the link to the Rolling Stone article about it, and I never listened until yesterday. Whew!!! Suppose you did not post it again? I would have never seen it. Keep up your postings JO- Man, how simple can it be? leave every single body alone unless you see them personally doing something, then in this country, jump on them, no matter who they are and send them to prison.
All is fair -then send your as$ to jail. Equal treatment for all. I believe in that.
If Zimmie is innocent, if Trayvon was cracking his head on the pavement when Zimmie pulled the trigger -set Zimmie FREE!!!!!!
If they were in the grass when Zimmie pulled the trigger, and Trayvon -a kid only 2 weeks earlier was 16???? screaming for help -when Zimmie pulled the trigger -send Zimmie to Prison for at leat 20 damn years (and that's light on him); but don't let FOXX network pull the race card and reverse it.
All are equal. Forever!!!!!!!
You're so silly!
That pretty much sums it up!
Nope, I haven't seen Oz or the Wire, I will check them out!
The "Maniacal Mr Ailes" coming to HBO soon....
Hey, my youngest son is going to film school up in Orlando, maybe I will suggest that "topic" for a film for him! Great PLAN!
All are equal. Forever!!!!!!!
Jo-An:
Jo; what??? Is it true??? You are an AMERICAN and have not seen HBOs the "WIRE?"
Unbelievable -Baltimore city!!! Number one in the UK and South Africa; not in the USA though.
Just Google it; does not matter where you start -Joe it will blow your mind. It's so real!!!!
Watch tonight and see; tell me tomorrow. I push the "WIRE"; nobody is more real. God, it's so real, and I know all the corners too. And the stories. Google "THE WIRE"> Whew!!!!!
And do not fall in love with that 15 year old kid look like Trayvon named "WALLACE"; the UK and South Africa made that mistake -till they saw him get his chest blew out unexpectedly at the end of season 1; Whew! Who took care of all those homeless kids when he got killed!!! Whew! 15 year old kid, Mother figure??? Tell me who took care of his kids then??? Whew??? You will cry Jo. I did.
You don't want your heart broke; do not watch Baltimore City's "THE WIRE" No 1 everywhere, but not in the USA. For some reason. Sopranos dominated. Watch Wire Jo. Once.
I'm in the Bahama's now for awhile, HBO here is backwards...LOL, behind the times...But we have on demand, so I will see if it's on there. The power goes out a lot here, it was off for 3 hours this morning, it's a different world here!
If I can't get it on demand I'll get it through iTunes, they will probably have it!
I will cry, I get teary eyed at sentimental commercials! Cackle, cackle....
TTYL...I'm getting out of here! The water is calling my name!
Jo-An:
Enjoy!
Very enlightening, Jo-An ! And to think of the other arenas in which this is happening to influence the public and public policy--------- influencing Christian Evangelical Associations (I imagine that these organizations now depend highly on "lobbyist" donations rather than their flock's donations as it used to be) + influencing State legislators (eg. the organization that crafted "Stand Your Ground" law ready-made to submit to state legislators) + influencing Congress (which of course is well-known.)
Right? It's amazing how gullible people can be. It's the same thing with this whole Trayvon deal. As soon as the rwnj's decided to go on a mission to destroy his reputation, it went viral! Once it comes out that Michelle Malkin started "twitchy" just to start rumors, it doesn't matter, people have heard things, and they believe it, no matter that "she" Malkin admitted posting fake pictures, rumors about bus drivers...and on and on....it's sickening.
It all gets back to the little group that runs the country, and they will do anything to keep pulling our strings!
you all have thoughtful comments:
Yup; that's how they operate.
yup!
Jo-An and Mrperryrice, I have been reading everything you guy's have posted on here, you guys are spot on an as awesome as usual.
Rhama....Thanks!
:)
You're welcome Jo-An :)
Jo-An:
Aww, man!! Back from the Chinese Food/ liquor Store and bait shop, and trouble-double Tee -is on me now!
I just got read the riot act when I turned down a fishing trip. That was the final straw for my family. I turn down fishing trip they say something is up. What's on the computer, porn?
Everybody leaped on me at the same time. It was too many on me -wifey, moms, uncles, a brother in law and (I knew this was coming), my writing partner.
All want to know what I am doing on the internet with all my time if I am not working and writing my stuff? And why haven't I been to my driving part time job? I'm missing time at work, time with wifey, time fishing, time with the family, my car has not been cleaned, blah, blah, blah.
I told them the truth, I am formulating the substance of a narrative on America's racist reaction to the Trayvon vs Zimmie eposide. Leave me alone,I know what I am doing. Shucks, they think they can handle me? No!!!
They got nasty -and all of us had "shots at the 'bait bar'" while we're doing this in curtis bay (you're husband spent time in my town,; so ask him about my neighborhood -Curtis Bay!!!!) I'm proud of Curtis bay!!!
We are the nearest land mass to the west of where Francis Scott Key's boat was anchored during the bombardment of Baltimore City during the War of 1812 -I can look out of my side office window and see straight down just two blocks to where he actually wrote the STAR SPANGLED BANNER in my damn hood!!!! I love telling that. It's true. He wrote the national anthem in curtis bay. 2 Blocks from my door.
This is already long as hell, and I am tipsy -you there Joe; or even Trust? I have not given up on you?
Still here, just finished eating pizza, watching Bin Laden capture on CNN, with my hubby.
I'm on my laptop, so I am within talking distance! Listening to CNN and typing!
Great history in your "hood", we will have to drive up and check that out, next time we go to VA! I will ask him about Curtis Bay!
You best get yourself outta trouble, and get back to the FAMILY!
Jo-An-4354969:
I almost gave up on you all; just me here in the house now.
Talk to me. Ever seen "The Wire" on HBO?
No, when is it on?
Did you get my email?
Jo-An-:
Let me look.
Jo-An-:
No; I just looked; I didn't.
Let me not be a coward, like that TRUST VERIFY.
Here is my whole given and legal name -and all the dirt on me; ok?
My name is TERRENCE MAURICE PERRY
I was born in 1960; I have 4 major incarcerations;
the last one is for 2nd degree murder; I got out in 2010.
Can you find me now?
Jo; promise to not run away; OK?
If you do; just say so out loud.
Waiting.
Email, silly! Email...I went to your newsvine column and sent you an email!
Jo-An-:
My name is Terrence Maurice Perry
That should give you and everybody everything on me.
Born 1960; Johns Hopkins; Baltimore Maryland.
I'm Gangsta for rreal; look my criminal record up.
I will not hurt Jo though; or an innocent person.
I wish that rust would try to take advantage of this info.
Ha ha ha. I'll find him out.
Stop being such a gangsta!
You got those gold teeth! LOL...
I've known a felon or two in my time!
I'm a well rounded individual....
Jo-An-:
So I go there? OK? Still I want you to know I am gangsta!!!!
Still got better morals than Trust Verify. Let me tell you this story. In 1999 I was in prison; it was this White kid, everytime I saw him he was hopping for some reason; months later he was moved into my dorm and I saw his foot was fat, and full of sores and puss and the young Black kids said "MR PERRY LOOK", they were worried that the Medical department did not care about this White kid, but these Black kids did; I put surgical gloves on, gave him my weed, and put epsome salt on his feet -and 2 weeks later his momma hugged me; and his skinny old father said, Thank You. But I would not have paid him no attention if those Black kids did not tell me, LOOK MR PERRY! THIS WHITE KID" and I loved the way those Black kids took care of him."
Now Jo- I look where? I'll look now.
Jo-An-:
No I don't. You got my picture.
Young boys and girls in my town, Baltimore don't play. They haven'm; not me.
You are safe as hell; just come with hubby to Baltimore. We'll see..
Good story, looking out for the white kid! Why can't we ALL just get along? Right?
You have to go to the email that you used to set up your Newsvine account, and check for an email from me.
Jo-An-
I'll look now.
Hey did you find me on google? Use my whole name.
Ok, I'm going out on back porch to have a cold one, with the hubby! Talk to you tomorrow! If you don't find my email, click on my name, go to my profile, contact author, and you can send me an email, and then I will respond!
Night!
Jo-An:
Night!!!!!!!!!
Nope, you aren't there! TTYL!
Jo-An:
What!!!
I am a legend!!! You cant punch my name in and get me on google!!!
Wait a minute, when I punch it in it shows up!!!!
Are you trying to protect me Jo?
Don't: I'll handle anything comes to me.
LOL...Good morning....
Really, I found nothing, sorry....
How many pages in? I just scanned the first couple of google pages, and nothing jumped out. I only typed your name the first time I added Baltimore Maryland the second.
Rhama;
are you there?
Do you believe like me: If Zimmie is getting his head cracked on the pavement -let him be free!!!!
but if as all the witnesses say, was in the grass while a kid 2 weeks older than 16 was screaming for help and he shot him -he should go to Prison?
Speak up Rhama; you are an American, nobody can take your right of speech -what do you say?
This is me: Mr PerryRice.
First time I have been nice on the internert; anybody want to say something to me.?
Hummn?
Silence?
Chirp...chirp...
chirp....chirp...chirp....
I sent you an email, from Newsvine, open it!
Damn shame in America!!!!!!!!!
I can shut every one of you up!!!!!!!!!!!
Beter not ry me!!!!
You think Obama beat your best and brightest!!!
Fool with me and Obama is tame!
I'll say and do things he'd never dream of.
MrPeryRice!! Is me.
I'll listen to my music now.
Mr.perryrice, I agree with you. Personally I think they were on the grass the entire time as the witnesses said. I also have to take into consideration the fact that if they did get into a fight and Trayvon tried to escape when he saw the gun and was the one yelling for help and Zimmerman shot him anyway, Zimmerman committed murder in the 2nd degree.This is why forensic evidence is so important.
My thoughts exactly!
Amen Jo-An. :)
:)
Jo-An do you remember the bond hearing where the prosecutor questioned Zimmerman about something he said to a preacher and the judge allowed him a little lead way. When the prosecutor pressed Zimmerman he dummyed up and didn't answer the question, but the prosecutor said it was something Zimmerman said about Trayvon's father, then the judged stopped the questioning. I wonder what that was all about.
Hmmmm....yes, I wonder! Very interesting!
Jo-An yes it is very interesting, given the fact that Trayvon and his father visited the Retreat at Twin Lakes several times over the last two years according to Mother Jones and Trayvon's father. I wonder if he had something against the father.
Very interesting, indeed!
Rhama:
Please, tell me too.
If dirt is on Trayvon, let us Black people know. What is going on?
Mrperryrice I don't think there is any dirt on Trayvon, I was wondering if Zimmerman had anything against the father given the fact that the prosecutor asked Zimmerman what he said to a certain preacher about Trayvons father.
And then the judge shut it down.
Rhama / Jo-An:
Oh -very interesting. Hmmn?
Yep very interesting. I'm just being my fathers daughter lol.
Investigator!
Yep! :)