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Handout / Reuters
A hand-written memo by then CIA Director Leon Panetta in which U.S. President Barack Obama authorised a Navy SEAL team operation that resulted in the death of Osama bin Laden at his hideout in Pakistan one year ago.
With the first anniversary of Osama bin Laden's death approaching, Leon Panetta has spoken of the nerve-wracking moments of the night of the raid by U.S. Navy SEALs.
The picture in Defense Secretary Leon Panetta's office captures the "mission accomplished" moment.
It shows Panetta, then the head of the CIA, and a group of U.S. commandos and others in the CIA operations center on the night of May 2 with their arms around each other — a quiet celebration just after U.S. helicopters crossed back over the border into Afghanistan.
Not until then — 90 minutes after U.S. special operations forces had lifted off from the heavily fortified compound in Pakistan where they went in search of Osama bin Laden — was he sure they could breathe a sigh of relief.
"We got the job done," Panetta said Friday as he recalled the long silences and the tense, heart-pounding moments before Adm. William McRaven's words finally came through loud and clear.
"Geronimo EKIA" — the code name for bin Laden, and the signal for "enemy killed in action."
Abbottabad - One year after Osama bin Laden
With the first anniversary of the al-Qaida leader's death approaching, Panetta spoke to reporters on his plane as he flew back from a series of meetings with defense leaders in South America. Perched on a table inside the Airstream trailer — dubbed the Silver Bullet — that serves as his office inside his C-17 transport plane, Panetta traced back through the nerve-wracking moments of that night.
And he talked about its impact over the past year.
"I don't think there's any question that America is safer as a result of the bin Laden operation," he said.
While al-Qaida and its offshoots remain a threat, he said, the military and intelligence communities have learned to work better together since Sept. 11, 2001. Still, he acknowledged, there is no single, completely effective way to destroy the terror network.
"The way this works is that the more successful we are at taking down those who represent their spiritual, ideological leadership, the greater our ability to weaken their threat to this country," he said.
The story of the raid is well-known: The SEALs and special operations forces that flew deep into Pakistan; the wrenching moment when one of the helicopters went down in the heat, landing hard with its tail on the wall; the SEALs' assault on the house where they believed bin Laden and his wives had been living for several years; and what Panetta on Friday called the "fingernail-biting moments."
Nearly one year after the death of Osama bin Laden, some Republicans are accusing the Obama administration of using the event for political gain. NBC's Mike Viqueira reports
"We knew that there were gunshots and firing, but after that we just didn't know," said Panetta, describing the nearly 20 minutes of silence after the SEALs went into the house.
PhotoBlog: Osama bin Laden's hideout revealed
Then came confusion. McRaven, commander of the operation, told him that he thought he'd picked up the word "Geronimo."
"The way he said it was like, you know, 'We think,'" said Panetta. "It wasn't ideal. We were still waiting."
A few minutes later came the KIA message. Then came the long flight out of Pakistan.
"By that time they had blown the helicopter that was down and we knew we had woken up all of Pakistan to the fact that something had happened," Panetta said with a laugh. "The concern was just exactly what were they thinking and how were they going to respond."
The moment they crossed the border, he said, was "the moment when we finally knew the mission had been accomplished."
Then they could embrace the victory.
The raid created a deep fissure into the already rocky U.S.-Pakistan relations. U.S. officials, including members of Congress, were irate that the al-Qaeda leader had been able to hide — virtually in plain sight — in a Pakistani military town. Some suggested there was at least some knowledge of his hiding place.
Pakistani leaders, meanwhile, were outraged that the U.S. had launched a military mission deep within the country's borders without alerting them, violating their sovereignty. Islamabad's military commanders were embarrassed that the U.S. was able to carry out the raid without being detected.
The bin Laden saga has continued in Pakistan. His three wives and their families were deported early Friday to Saudi Arabia. Officials have said that the wives and as many as eight children and some grandchildren were living in the compound when it was raided.
The anniversary has triggered security warnings for Americans in Pakistan. The U.S. Embassy said its employees would be restricted from restaurants and markets in Islamabad for the next two weeks. While there was no mention of bin Laden, the period includes the anniversary date.
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Glad OBL is gone. Gratz ST6!
Yes - Kudos to the Navy Seals, but I do have a question for those that praise Obama.
Would ANY President do anything differently? Can anyone imagine Bush saying No to the raid?
Roy Wilson THIS president almost did, see #5.1
ssmithlg "Roy Wilson THIS president almost did, see #5.1"
Interesting, but unsubstantiated, so we may never know. Perhaps the Republican led House should 'investigate' and put Panetta under oath, so we could know the truth.
It would be 'in character' for Obama though, since he has a history of weakness and vascillation when it comes to making decisions.
I know its hard for teabaggers to admit, but the Commander in Chief Obama made this call, not Bush who stated he wasn't concerned about Osama and couldn't find him for 7 years.
Keep trying to diminish this success, but when the kool-aid wears off...Obama made the tough call as Commander of our Armed forces
Yeah Roy, one president did do something differently. THAT president dismantled Alec Station, the CIA unit tasked with finding bin Ladin.
And THAT president infamously said, "I don’t know where he is. I really just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."
And seven years after 9/11, thousand of lives lost, more maimed, and TRILLIONS of dollars spent, THAT president exited his office with Osama bin Ladin still walking the earth.
5.1 is LAUGHABLE!!!
A rightwing nutjob blogger propagates a "story" about his "insider" information (of course, it's an unnamed source...wouldn't want to blow his cover, you know), and republicons slurp up every word, as if it's nectar from the tree of knowledge.
"SEE!!!!! I told you Obama shouldn't get any credit!!!!"
Absolutely laughable.
Clinton said no at least twice and it cost us. Obama would've said no if he thought it may cost him politically.
Ok whatever, Clinton was pre-9/11. Bush said "Osama who?" and it cost us 2 wars and 3000 lives. Obama said yes and thats all that matters now. Don't be jealous of success, why are you guys envious of Obama's success?
You're showing your naivite' again corporation hater. Careful, the Big O may gag you.
Weery,
Your ENVY of SUCCESS is showing again...careful the republicans might send out a talking point about being envious of success
Now I'm not trying to defend anyone that much but what would the right wing argument be if Clinton killed OBL? What was their response when Clinton sent a cruise missile into what was said to be OBL's hideout? As I recall, Republicans said it was a "wag the dog" attempt by Clinton to divert attention from poor little Monica. I can only imagine what their response would have been if he succeeded. And that was before the USS Cole attack on October 12, 2000 just before the election. Wonder how many votes that got Bush?
Now let's do blame Clinton for his failure to get OBL. But by the same line of reasoning it was pointed out to the incoming administration that OBL was responsible for the attack on the USS Cole. What did Bush do about that since by the time it was proven that OBL was really responsible for the attack on the USS Cole, it was really too late for Clinton to respond? Republicans would have had a field day on that with the election just around the corner. Bush and his people ignored the warning that Clinton people were trying to give by brushing it off. In other words, since the attack was days before the election, Bush did nothing about the USS Cole attack either.
The lack of U.S. response to the Cole attack — under both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush — has re-emerged as a painful issue this week, as crew and family members gather at the U.S. naval base in Norfolk, Va., to mark the 10th anniversary of the bombing, which killed 17 U.S. sailors and injured 38.
One thing is for sure, Panetta cannot write worth a damn. He should have been a f*cking doctor.
President Obama, did a wonderful job in telling America the news... No grand standing, or flying onto an air-craft carrier to make a big show... No, from the White House, Americas house, he proudly stated that OBL was dead... No drama obama... God, I love that guy!
As I remember it, his statement used the word "I" dozens of times and forgot to mention the Navy Seals - or just used them as a prop.
Yes, Roy Wilson, almost any president with 2 or more working brain cells would have given this order, even that great idiot from Texas.
The part of the equation you fail to grasp, is the preparation, planning and long term policy decisions necessary to make that order possible. Or to put it another way, there are reasons why George W. Bush never had the option of issuing such an order, and those reasons relate to George W. Bush, himself.
Bush, God bless his empty skull, chose to lead our nation into Iraq. For 6 years, from March of 2003, until the end of 2008, the primary focus of our nation's anti-terrorist efforts were directed to Iraq, which, if you have any knowledge of the region or the events surrounding the 9/11 attacks, you know shares no border with Afghanistan, is ethnically different, and has never been linked in any F#CKING WAY with the 9/11 Attacks.
Pakistan, on the other hand, is closely linked culturally, ethnically and geographically with Afghanistan, and the presence of Al Qaeda and the Taliban in both countries has been so well documented and reported that I'm fairly certain it is not unknown to you.
Do you think just maybe, if we had been focusing on Afghanistan and Pakistan between 2003 and 2008, Osama bin Laden would not have been able to live in comfortable retirement in the suburbs of the capital city?
Maybe?
The Seal team was doubtless well trained and brave, but a part of their success is that their were well directed and provided with good intelligence, and that is why people thank Barack Obama for his part in the capture and killing of Osama bin Laden.
It really sticks in the craw of you conservatives that Obama was able to accomplish in 3 years what Bush could not get done in 7 years.
Roy do you really think anyone take what you say, to be real. You guy had him cornered in when this first started. And could had have finished him off and stop the blood shed then and there. But 2 things. First he wouldn't have gotten to go into Iraq, Second he had to pay back all the fat cats that gave him money to buy the Election. You know, the ones that bought off the Supreme Court. You see these people don't care how many of our young men and women get killed as long as they make money and get the oil company's wells back to the oil company's. President Obama has done more to end this war and kill more like OBL in is first 3 years then Bush did in 7 years. Bush was never going to let OBL be killed. Hell he was a friend of the Bush family. So Roy Choke on that. Bush would have done something different on that day. He would have never given the order to Kill OBL. Never
ssmithlg is 100% correct. Do you really think that this administration would ever admit to the world that Obama lollygagged until the 11th hour? It IS the truth. Obama almost spoiled everything through his inaction!! Very few know the actual truth of what really happened. Don't believe everything you read in liberal media outlets. Obama had very little to do with the planning, execution, and success of this raid.
ssmithlg -- Spot on!
Does anyone question the famous photo of all the Obama people looking at something on the wall? There was no live feed to the White House. Only the command center at the CIA had direct information. Was the picture staged?
Occam's Razor:
Are you really that stupid?
weery one
Good point weery one. It is very true that, considering the problems he knew it would probably cause with Pakistan, if nothing else, he could have easily said no, or insisted on warning Pakistan, and he did neither. So kudos to President Obama on this one.
Did Fox Phonies ever report the news about Ben Ladens death by Navy Seals, or were they waiting for Sarah Palin to rewrite history as she did with Paul Revere? They had to invent a way to credit Bush/Cheney with the act. And now we have their best candidate for POTUS (Willard Romney) that the GOP has to offer spreading his vast knowledge about foreign affairs. If their attempts to play "Big Man" in government was not so pathetic as they hurt our nation with their lies it would be funny. It takes SNL to demonstrate the GOPs hypocrisy so the common citizen can understand how juvenille they are at lying and spreading their "Rovian" propaganda.
Once again we are regaled with yet another article about how Obama killed Bin Laden. Is killing Bin Laden his crowning achievement?
Interesting question, myGirl. What would George W. Bush's crowning achievement be?
You're right, myGirl, Obama has done so much less by comparison.
Obama is far from being a perfect president. His health care reform is horrible, and his lack of focus on economic issues in 2009 and 2010, probably has not helped the economy. But if Georgie-boy had remained in the White House, bin Laden would yet be in his house in Abbottabad.
That is why I say 3 cheers for the President who oversaw the capture and killing of bin Laden.
Dman: so whoopee, we get to hear about it all over again, just like it was yesterday and Obama is using this as his election headliner. Note as well that it is now almost four years into the Obama regime and Bush, well...he's no longer president. As to Iraq, I never did understand why he went into Iraq. I don't defend Bush in any way, he was a disaster, his Patriot Act was one of the most anti-constitutional bits of legislation ever...until Obama and his Patriot Act II and the crowning achievement of the NDAA topped even Bush's destruction of the Constitution.
Sorry, can't find anything good here. So, he ordered the hit on bin Laden, and buried the body at sea and then stood there and used the 'I' pronoun over and over in his victory speech, with a mere mention of 'others' being involved in killing bin Laden then, to crown his achievement, he 'outed' the Seals, destroying their anonymity and putting them in danger in order to gain some more bennies. Interesting as well how many Seals died in that helicopter crash shortly after the bin Laden hit.
Too bad the sources that located Bin Laden were a DIRECT RESULT of interrogations of prisoners at GITMO, something Barry was against… Speaking of GITMO, its STILL open, wasn’t that one of his campaign promises to close?
We the corporations?
Wow, did you FORGET about the FIRST WTC bombing? Did you also forget about the US COLE bombing? Perhaps if old Bill was more interested in doing his job instead of Monica, we would have never had 9-11 and without BUSH authorizing interrogating prisoners at GITMO, O-blah, blah, blahma would never have gotten to Bin Ladin.
We certainly can tell its election time again. Since Barry cant run on any of his accomplishments, they will run with Osama is dead
Hey NJ Person, good to see you! I hope all is well
mygirl1 Good points!!
If over the last 11 months, bin Laden's death had been constantly featured in stories in the "liberal media", or repeatedly touted by the White House I could understand your "not again" response to this story.
It has not.
May 2, 2012 will be the one year anniversary of the day when that SOB was finally found and killed. Just like other anniversaries of notable events in our nation's history, good and bad, this one is going to be accompanied by a certain amount of media attention.
I realize this causes you pain. I'm afraid you'll just have to deal with it.
As to Bush, yes his Presidency is now 3+ years in the past (praise be). But we can only discuss Obama, or any other President in comparison to his peers, and Bush, as his predecessor, is his most recent peer, and is the man who left more messes and unfinished business behind him than any first executive since Carter.
So, if you want to question Obama's accomplishments over his first term, that is fine. I mentioned Bush to illustrate that barring dropping an atom bomb on New York City, there is little Obama could do to match the feckless incompetence of that ninny from the Lone Star State.
Dman: Obama mentions bin Laden whenever he can get away with it. Now his campaign is stating that Romney wouldn't have gone after bin Laden, like they know what would've happened. Any excuse to mention bin Laden.
As to Obama vs. Bush, please. Obama is merely Bush II. His good fortune is his ability to blame Bush for each and every difficulty or error of judgement or policy made. Bush had a few little items that he had to deal with as well. Wonder if Obama would have wanted to make nice with the terrorists after 9-11? Think he would have wanted to use diplomacy? And, if it hadn't been for all the work done against the terrorists during Bush, do you think Obama would have known how to get bin Laden? Really? Also, did he really get him, the jury is still out, there really isn't tangible proof other than say-so. Habeus Corpus hasn't come into play here. No body, dead Seals, sealed pics, seems like there should be something more than announcements.
Katrina would have been handled like the BP oilspill. Obama is just as inept as Bush, he got into office as a not-Bush kinda guy. Rather like now, anybody but Obama may get Romney the election. Truth be told, we are so deeply and profoundly in trouble in this country that no one person can dig us out. I don't give Obama any credit. Instead of focusing on the economy, he railroads an ill-concieved healthcare bill for over a year, then he gets into gays in the military and a slew of other less-than-pressing issues while ignoring and deflecting from the key issues that were and are serious.
Please note that I am not in pain, but thank you for making assumptions.
fedup - Let me get this straight. Interrogation of prisoners it GITMO, most of whom have been sequestered there for years, yielded the key information as to where Osama bin Laden was hiding in 2011. And these were questions which Bush's interrogation teams just forgot to ask, like uh, "Where's bin Laden"?
I could laugh myself sick reading such drivel.
While I have no doubt that some of the intelligence gathered under the Bush Administration proved useful, the actual pinpointing of bin Laden's location did not occur until 2010, and the discovery was not due to what some prisoner at GITMO said, but to intensive, on-location surveillance.
7+ years of trying and the Bush administration could only guess as to what country might be harboring bin Laden. Nice going Bush.
And perhaps bin Laden was used to help bolster flagging polls, interesting the timeline in place. Bin Laden was hiding in plain sight apparently, and, it seems from some accounts that Gitmo detainees were the ones who revealed bin Laden's courier and it was the courier who led to the location of bin Laden. Perhaps Bush didn't really want bin Laden gone.
If you think about it, how much money, lives and time have been used in the War on Terror? Seems to be a rather profitable war in some circles. Then, let us look at the Patriot Act, the massive police agency with unbeliveable authority and power it created, good old Homeland Security, now the head Police agency in an ever expanding police state. Obama didn't do away with the Patriot Act, he enlarged it and...tada...he also signed into law the NDAA, which actually allows for the indefinite detention of American citizens, without trial, counsel, etc. Obama is really good at assassinations. He now can, on his authority, determine who is a terrorist and can have them killed, in any country on the planet, something that Bush didn't get a chance to do, so yeah, Obama is much better than Bush at that.
Perhaps you a few links to document this constant touting of bin Laden's death. I watch the news most days. I haven't noted it.
Be serious, myGirl. Obama did not preside over the economic collapse of 2008. He has merely been unable to fix it in 3+ years. He did not invade Iraq, he managed our disengagement. He did not neglect Afghanistan, he refocused our efforts there, which in 2008, at least, is what much of the nation wanted [and which was the right decision].
You mean like he made nice with Osama bin Laden last year? Or like he made nice with Anwar al-Awlaki in Yemen this past September? Or like he has made nice with the Taliban in Afghanistan, upping our troop presence there by at least 100,000 men.
That type of nice?
For some reason, some people mistake insensate, impulsive aggression, such as our foolish invasion of Iraq, as a sign of strength, and mistake calm deliberation before taking action, or a willingness to negotiate as opposed to issuing impotent threats, as a sign of weakness.
Not I.
Barack Obama, for all his faults, is not Neville Chamberlain come again. He has shown a willingness to take action where action is required, and to forgo it where it is plainly impractical.
I think if Bush did not have his head securely positioned up his butt, Osama bin Laden would have been dead and buried back in 2005. Was intelligence gathered under Bush useful in completing the search. The current administration says so, and I believe them. But they [bush & co] did not finish the job, and if this intelligence was sufficient for finding him, it renews and underlines the question of why he [Bush] never gave the order to mount the attack.
I'll bet you are a birther too, still vainly hoping for pictures of of Obama as a young boy growing up in a bamboo hut on the Serengeti, dressed in a dashiki, maybe even carrying a spear. I've no idea of what "jury" is still out. But al Qaeda seems to believe it. In their intercepted communications they talk of revenge for his death.
Face it, he's no more alive than Elvis.
Fascinating. You manage to ignore the most interesting and damning complaints about Obama and focus like a laser on Bush. The reason we are theoretically out of Iraq is because the Iraquis stated that they wanted us gone and interesting how the timeline was Bush's timeline.
As to making nice with the Taliban, weren't they declared a non-enemy? Seems Obama was working his diplomacy magic on them, lots of released prisoners and meetings. Now he's sending in more troops, is he going to do a surge? What happened with all the drones BTW? Then, note how the administration is downplaying the afghani soldiers industriously killing their American 'trainers.'
Notice that you fail to mention Obama's newfound ability to assassinate anyone, including American citizens, without need of any stinking due process. No response to the Patriot Act or NDAA signage either. Guess you don't care about civil liberties?
As to the Birther comment, hard to say, interesting that he has sealed so many background records. Only makes folks wonder when you hide something. I have no idea about his background, I hope that he is indeed legal.
As to the economy, class warfare and wealth redistribution via the government isn't exactly helping. Interesting that his budgets were sooo bad that they were voted down twice by his democrats in the Senate. Shovel ready? He keeps dusting off the same recycled, deleterious and failed plans and when they are shot down he blames republicans for being obstructionists. He is good at passing the buck, and putting blame anywhere and everywhere except upon himself.
Yes, directly after a disastrous off-year congressional election, and almost 2 years before the 2012 election is the just the time to engineer a temporary boost in your approval rating. Good thinking, myGirl. You should get a job on the Obama reelection team; it would practically guarantee his defeat this coming November.
I'll just suggest that if the Obama administration were timing the capture and killing of bin Laden, they would plan it for some time later this year, say, early September, when it would actually do them some good.
The chain of events leading to bin Laden's capture was fairly long, and, according to my sources the key identification of his couriers was through a man named Hassan Ghul, who was held a CIA black sites, and in a Pakistani prison, but never at GITMO. According to what I've read, the compound in Abbottabad was first identified as the possible hiding place of bin Laden in September of 2010. What followed was a period of intense surveillance, which culminated in May with the actual attack.
You've given me no concrete reason to doubt either this time line, or the motives of the Obama Administration in making the raid in May of last year.
All you've given is a lot of assumptions and what ifs. Well, as the old saying goes, "If ifs and buts were fruit and nuts, it would be a hell of a Christmas.".
What are the most damning complaints regarding Obama, the ones I've ignored. I've spoken [disparagingly] of his health care reform. I've also voiced criticism of his shepherding of our economy, although I also feel this is a bipartisan failure. The subject we were discussing was the capture of bin Laden, and why you feel [it keeps shifting]:
I find all of the above theories doubtful at best, though I admit that theory 1 is mostly a matter of opinion; for Obama detractors, mentioning this once is probably too often, while for his most ardent supporters, they would like to see the event celebrated every day.
But theories 2, 3 & 4? Complete and utter, unsubstantiated rubbish.
Ok, so I give up. You cherry pick a sentence or two and ignore those points which you don't want to address because, apparently, you don't want to acknowledge Obama's culpability. (NDAA, Patriot Act II, Assassinations?)
Sorry that I don't have your sources, however, a CIA black site in Pakistan sounds like a helluva lot worse place than Gitmo. How much torture was used to gain that information? 2010? That was Obama, did he still allow torture? As to assumptions, well, true, but it is interesting that the raid happened at the magic moment of really crappy polls. As to waiting for now, well, back to assumptions, what if they thought that bin Laden would be the end all and be-all that would secure his re-election and improve his polls. Sure did take people's attention away from the crappy economy for awhile, sadly, it didn't help the economy much.
Dman: It's late and I will soon quit. I must admit I do enjoy our exchanges, they get a little snide but for the most part they are reasoned and informed, something that doesn't happen too often. I will probably butt heads with you again, over the same topics, but that is what debate is all about...Peace:)
A fact no conservative can deny (except birthers and other conspiracy nuts)-Osama Bin Laden is dead and he was killed on Obama's watch.
Bravo! Now can we get on with the state of the economy? Enough with the distractions!
Ahhh, and here I thought I was causing you serious annoyance.
Nicely put, myGirl. We'll no doubt cross arguments on some later thread.
Once again we have a POTUS that thinks with his head , while the Rethuglicans wanted the United States to bomb Syria and put boots on the ground our President had the fortitude and foresight to see exactly what needed to be done without risking the lives of our American forces like Cheney and Bush have done in the past. and do we as a Nation want Mitt Romney the Mormon Draft Dodger who went and lived in SOCIALIST France to avoid going to Vietnam be the one to call shots on our military, That though alone scares the HELL outta me, Wont fight for our country but willing to put my childrens life at risk. NO WAY
Watermoon.....Your memory is more likely of what you heard Rush and Fox say. Now please go back and review the actual tapes or read the readily available transcripts of the event. Once you have done that, please have the decency to come back here and post exactly what he said and that your memory was in error.
bush said waterboard the bastards....obama says now now let's be careful not to hurt anyones feelings...waterboardings a no no. in fact i'm going to have mr bush investigated for war crimes. way to go obama!
This would be a very interesting article, were it NOT for one "teeny tiny" problem. See, I was SPECOPS and active duty back in 2002, when Osama Bin Laden, DIED of a rare, deadly kidney disease, at a U.S. Military hospital under U.S. Military physicians care. Yes I know about the "raid" that DID in fact KILL SOMEONE, just NOT Who they said it was. Yes I know all the burial at sea, and yes I know about all of bin ladens "wives" and yes I know about the "intense" staged photo op of the war room. Problem for them is I also KNOW a whole lot more. The sad thing about "sheeple", is they are so easy to fool. They merrily bleat along, all the way until the blade strikes their necks. Now go ahead and collapse my comment. I am used to it, as one of the ONLY people here that is NOT a "sheeple". Besides it gets a lot more views and exposure when collapsed:) The sheeple cant help but open it and look:) I find it quite PATHETIC how MOST commenters on these articles think if they only "collapse" something, it wont be seen, kind of like buying bigger clothes because you dont want to admit you have gained weight. Have a pleasent evening sheeple:)
now that's half believeable compared to our military taking body to sea and rinsing him for how many minutes in accordance to muslim ritual before they burried him at sea? come on. only some kind of nut would believe that.
Yup, branxoz, and last year I saw Elvis playing in blues band in a little town about 100 miles south of Reno. He's pretty old, but he still rocks.
All that rot about him dying back in the 1970s? Don't believe it. He's alive.
Or was that all just a fantasy, and are you 100% full of sh!t?
Hmmmmm..., I wonder.
NJ Person
hmmm...where to begin with this delusion???
Yeah...it's pretty lame that Obama had to actually weigh the value of the lives of the SEAL team and the possibility that maybe OBL wasn't even there, or the possibilty that they would be detected going into Pakistan and be attacked by their military, or the possibility that the local police or military which had a base a mile away were complicit and could become involved in a counter-attack. Oh, and let's not forget that if things went south, Obama would get "Jimmy Carter'ed" by the same gutless cowards who swift-boated Kerry and Manchurian Candidated John McCain or the criminal Raygun submarine a decent man like Carter while the GOP cheered. Yeah...he should have been like Boy George and just start shooting and forget about his superior thinking abilities. All you really need is a big pair,right????Thinking is for sissies.
But you do? Please enlighten us. What deep sources of truth do you have that we do not?
And these would be the same "liberal" media outlets that allowed the bushco drum beat leading up to our illegal and unwarranted war on Iraq to go unchallenged? It seems to me that the claims by bushco at that time were so spurious and specious that the media- liberal or otherwise- failed totally in their duty. You can't get any more conservative than buying into the fairy dust that bushco was selling- and this coming from a group of men who had never faced anything more dangerous than a broken beer bottle or a huge bar tab.
Hmmm...I think you need some medicine,,,
chartsweb
Breaking the law (and waterboarding is illegal) in order to enforce the law is much like robbing someone to keep their money safe or raping someone to protect their virtue from bad guys. It's a shame you lack the decency to see that, or even the intelligence to understand the many studies that concluded that our illegal and degrading practices, like those employed at Abu Ghraib, actually created more insurgents than it eliminated. Break free from your repugnican yoke and educate yourself.
thomas-Breaking the law (and waterboarding is illegal
selling arms to mexican drug cartel-illegal
insider trading-illegal
legal until caught?
and thomas.....rant about it all you want...my comment was true...you just didn't like it
It may not be the biggest, but we have the best military on Earth!!!!!!!!!
well said. What a shame we haven't had a POTUS that could use them for max effectiveness in over half a century.
It better be the best, we spend more than the entire world put together on it.
thomas blue I have to disagree with you. Bush 41 did in desert storm. That was the way to fight a war. Its is different when someone as been to war, like 41. His son should have took his dads advice before he lied us into Iraq war. And I have to say President Obama has also but for the fact he had to pick up the peaces from the mess Little Bush left him with. Obama wants us out of that mess and he will get us out.
Please!!! During the last presidential campaign Obama said he would pull the troops out of Iraq during the first year he was in office. Did he? NO! He did nothing and allowed the time table set by Bush to run it's course (we still have 50,000 "advisers/trainers" in Iraq. If Obama wanted us out of Afghanistan why did he INCREASE the number of troops deployed there? Why does he now have us involved in Libya, Yemen and Somalia? Not to mention he has approved gearing up to attack Iran. You need to pay attention to what Obama actually does... not what he says. Obama is a puppet of the globalist military industrial complex just like every president (except Kennedy and you know how that worked out) for the last 100 years. If the fact that a progressive named Mitt Romney is going to be the GOP candidate this election is not enough evidence for you that the entire election process is rigged, you must be blind, stupid or insane.
dmac: yup!
Of course Blackwater is not a creation of the right wing and a furtherance of the military industrial complex. Follow the money to Haliburton, Raytheon and Brown and Root and you will find names like Cheney, Romney and other Neocon mouth pieces.
Follow the money.
realist- i believe they go by xe now. but point taken. but if we follow the money i'll bet the majority of politicans from both sides take illegal gifts from lobbysists and the like.
Good job Seals!
Great call Obama, finally a commander in chief that knows how to wield the best military on earth.
Yep, nothing like extending the war in Afghanistan indefinitely as a means of wielding the best military on earth. Let all now worship Obama, the greatest military leader in the history of the planet. He personally and with his own bare hands killed bin Laden and this exciting epic has been told and re-told over and over and over....and will be turned into a major movie soon, 3D. Obama will play himself and won't need any stunt doubles, the Seals, well, they will also get mentioned in a minor role or two...
mygirl1-no matter how hard you try to change history and deflect the truth you fail. President Barack Obama got Osama Bin Laden and bush and his merry band of Neocons did not.
I can tell that really upsets you.
You're probably really upset that your candidate is Mitt. Too late now.
Poor little Leon, biting your fingernails, while SEALS were being shot at and otherwise risking their lives. My goodness, you poor baby, I hope you get over it someday.
This is funny. As I understand it the only shots fired were by our seals. And yes it was stressful for those in charge because if anything went wrong it would not have been the seals that got the blame. It would have been Obama and Panetta.
Pray Hard what a ass. This man was worried about this men that were getting shot at. Unlike you so called Christians, that don't give a dam about who gets killed as long as it isn't your kids, or husbands or loved ones. You really don't seem to care. Leon and the President care more for these men and there family's than you ever did and ever will. Show your true colors some more.
Give me a break Chuck. Panetta and Obama were only worried that their reputations might be tarnished if something went wrong. Considering how many troops under their command are at risk every day, if they actually worried about those troops well being, neither of them would be able to sleep at night. This would be true for anyone at the top of the military.
Of course I find it very telling that "Osama's" body was dumped into the ocean while it was still warm and the Seals who pulled of the mission were all killed in a helicopter crash a month later. Coincidence? I think not.
dmac: Yup, interesting how quickly everyone forgot the helicopter crash and the 'following Muslim custom' burial at sea. No pics either, sealed by judical order because they were too 'graphic?' In this day and age, what is too graphic? Go online for some truly hideous pics and yet, the bin Laden pics were too graphic for adults to view? Really?
Then, had the mission failed you may rest assured that no mention of any mission would have been forthcoming, it would have been buried and hushed up. Interesting that it was the wee hours of the night when the story broke and Obama came on the TV to crow about it. Guarantee that had said mission failed it would never have been mentioned. The crashed helicopter would have disappeared and the Seals would still be anonymous.
dmac and mygirl1-no birther type conspiracies work, here. Osama Bin Laden is dead and Obama got him. How dare you even suggest that Americans had anything to do with a helicopter crash where some of seal team 6 perished. That is both disgusting and crazy.
You hate Obama so much that you would spread lies and falsehoods to the less informed just to try to get votes?
You both know that your posts are BS. What's in it for you? Republican employment? Follow the money.
Great job,SEALS!!
So Obama is feckless? If he could still speak, I think OBL would disagree. Feckless would be an administration that got pantsed after being in power nearly 8 months and unable to bring the culprit to justice in over 7 years and finally just giving up on catching him. That's feckless. Good Job, President Obama. I'm less than happy about several things with him, but this was gutsy and brilliant. Anyone who can't give him full kudos on this is either hopelessly partisan or hopelessly racist.
Thank You Seal Team 6 for doing the REAL JOB!
Leon Panetta, not Obama, issued order to kill bin Laden?
Was it Leon Panetta – not a waffling Barack Obama, supported in his indecision by Valerie Jarett – who finally ordered the assassination of bin Laden. A “White House insider” was quoted tosay the following:
Thomas Blue " Feckless would be an administration that got pantsed after being in power nearly 8 months and unable to bring the culprit to justice in over 7 years and finally just giving up on catching him. That's feckless. Good Job, President Obama. I'm less than happy about several things with him, but this was gutsy and brilliant. Anyone who can't give him full kudos on this is either hopelessly partisan or hopelessly racist."
Nobody 'gave up' on catching Obama, but the focus had to be on fighting the war on terror. I would hardly call a decision that any President would make without hesitation "gutsy and brilliant". It was a 'no-brainer'.
Uhhh... do you guys have any idea how our country works?
The President is the Commander in Chief and the SEALS don't do sh!t without permission...they are amazing men, but truthfully just a tool at the disposal of the Commander in Chief. Anytime you give them all the credit and Obama none, you look as stupid as thanking the hammer that was used to build a house, not the contractor.
Roy, again if I were always as wrong as you I would try and diminish this accomplishment too, but sending in a covert group into an allies country to a secret compound in an urban area is hardly a no-brainer...keep digging though
The President is the Commander in Chief and the SEALS don't do sh!t without permission...they are amazing men, but truthfully just a tool at the disposal of the Commander in Chief.
A "DISPOSABLE TOOL?
This is how the "defend Obama at any cost" crowd feels about our MILITARY.
NOBAMA2012, Our Brave Men & Women in Uniform DESERVE MUCH BETTER
Yes, because thats what they are, a tool to be used at the disposal of the Commander in Chief.
They don't do anything without permission and they were only ALLOWED to do anything because they got permission from Obama.
Attaboy Roy. Don't give credit where credit is due but I'm sure you would be blasting Obama if the action had failed like the fiasco during the attempt to rescue Iran hostages in 1980. It was not a "no-brainer" as you claim because a political fallout had to be considered. But hey, keep living in your world where the left is always wrong and the cons are always right.
I have to assume you meant Osama but with all the political BS being aired these days one cannot be completely sure. But back to your statement. Bush went from getting OBL dead or alive immediately after 9/11 to having no interest in him 6 months later.
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, responding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts, 3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
@ ssmithlg
Everyone that joins the military know that their life is in danger and they could be killed at any time so yes they are a disposable tool that can be replaced if needed.
Nowhere in those quotes remotely states Bush "gave up" on hunting for Bin Laden. They demonstrate he had a much greater knowledge than you of what was priorities.
If you think the President knows every mission the SEALs do, you better think again. He doesn't.
Now Owebama is too busy trying to get re-elected.
It is true Bush disbanded the CIA group whose sole mission was to find Osama Bin Laden. It is also true he was a mediocre college student born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I was embarrassed of Bush as president. He was a puppet president for the likes of Cheney (5 deferments!) What we have here is people who watch FOX news channels and are truly uniformed. The FOX audience believe they are "voting on values" when they are voting to deregulate banks and corporations. The uninformed ones waste our time on birther issues crap. The uninformed audience does not believe in climate change because FOX promotes fossil fuel extractors.Full credit goes to Obama for HIS final decision to get Osama Bin Laden. And he did it while the GOP were kicking and screaming or just the usual playing dead in Congress. I am voting for Obama.
Alan, if you think Seal Team 6 or any other special operations unit is conducting missions without the President knowing about them, YOU had better think again.
Roy you don't even know you said nobody gave up on finding OBAMA. Not OBL. Opps. And SSmithlg ,what a bunch of lies. You and all dumb asses like you Just can't stand the fact that this President don't shoot from the hip. He gets the best advice he can before he pulls the trigger. When this operation is in the making, they were only going to use 2 choppers. It was President Obama that told them to take 3 encase of problems. You see he remembered what happened when Carter tried to get our men out of Iran, But we know now that mission was Sabotaged. So tell all the lies you want. President Obama was the only one that could have given that order. There is no over ruling the President. What kind of fool would ever believe that, Except tea baggers and Sara Palin.
Smith, get some reading comprehension skills. Being at someone's disposal does not mean you are disposable. It means you are at their command when they need you to be...
ssmith, you'll have to do better than quoting an unnamed "White House insider". And you'll have to do MUCH better than copying an article from pjmedia, a blatantly biased website.
@geowil, you are correct. Unfortunately reading comprehension does not appear to be ssmiths strong point.
ssmithlg-I have an unnamed source that says you are still sleeping with goats. They further state that they are the ugly ones in the herd.
More to follow when my unnamed source makes it up. Just like yours.
obama administration is going to milk this cow until it bleeds.
It's well accounted that if not for Hillary, Panetta and our military leaders pushing Barry this kill would not have happened. They didn't let him vote "present" this time, he was pushed to the affirmative.
actually teabaggers are going to milk this till it bleeds.
The decision was that of the Commander in Chief, Obama is running for that position again, why is it milking it to discuss his accomplishments as commander of our military? Would you prefer he just kept him alive so you could use FEAR to control the election like Bush did in '04?
Obama's going to have James Cameron find Osama so he can shoot him again. Maybe stuff him.
And after that's been played out ad nauseum, Cameron will re-release it in 3D, closer to election time.
We the corporations, OBL was just one person and if bush or anyone else was able to use him to control you with fear than I feel very sorry for you. Very little has changed with his demise, we are still fighting in Afganistan and we still do not have the will to win there. Although I don't know what is there win even if we did.
Personally I would rather OBL were still alive and unemployment was at 3% instead of where it is at today. I would rather have my freedom back then to see one little good for nothing slimball like OBL dead. That said I am glad that he is dead.
texasblab,
yawn...I feel sorry for you not knowing that Bush used the terror alert system and OBL videos to keep you afraid of "those muslims" in 2004...but then a again you are from Texas so your understanding of history would be a bit shaky.
Sorry to disappoint you corporation, but I have never been afraid muslims.
It's not "well accounted" that Obama was pushed into accepting this. Name one, just ONE, credible source that's even remotely confirmed this to be true. Go ahead. I have a feeling I'll be hearing crickets in response....
ssmith-it's well accounted that you fondness for goats is not natural. An unnamed source links you to giving woolite to lambs.
More to follow when the unnamed sources make it up.
LMAO...you're killing me,realist. I can't think critically when you have me rolling on the floor. You're not really Jon Stewart, are you?
I can't believe it has been a year already. Time flies when your having fun.
Time flies while Osama is molding at the bottom of the sea.
You just did the same story about Clinton recently. NOBODY except the media is interested in a bunch of people watching the raid on television, nail-biting or not.
It's the only accomplishment Obama can claim.
and here were GWB accomplishments in his 8 years:
Well, at least Bush didn't blame Clinton for Katrina or the lousy economy or the high price of gas.
He doesn't have the ability to connect multiple cause-effect scenarios. But let's not beat a dead horse. Let's talk about Romney and how he destroyed the lives of American workers in the name of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$(speech).
Panetta and the bankster controlled media remain convinced that most Americans believe the false flag 9/11 OBL Psyop.
Where's the evidence that OBL was even alive last year?
The result of the Psyop: endless war, impossible debt, police state restrictions on ALL Americans, freedom throttled world wide.
“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither
liberty nor safety. “
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
US author, diplomat, inventor, physicist, politician, & printer (1706 - 1790)
NWO-Don't use Franklin to try to cover your lunacy.
In actuality, Clinton had the opportunity but whiffed. The Seals, acting upon orders of Obama and based upon intelligence that was being gathered prior to Obama's inauguration, followed orders and eradicated the terrorist. "Nail biting"? Why? Panetta wasn't on the mission and neither was Mr. Obama.
The sun rose and set every day since Obama took office. Are we going to give him credit for that too?
Rick people like you wouldn't give Obama credit for anything. I am so thankful we didn't elect That dumb-ass McCain. That would have the start of WWlll. He would have attacked Iran for sure. God just think we could have Sara P just a heart beat away. That just sends chills up my back and makes my hair stand up on the back of my neck. rick you need to crawl back under your rock.
Ya know...there are thousands of soldiers returning early/or soon from the middle east. And yea, I would guess that some of them may very well be thankful that they didn't get killed...and are able to see another sunrise.
We see your 'I hate whatever Obama does' tone in your childish little remark. It's just kind of wasted on the people with intelligence and with common sense.
chuck and Hey, It's MEEEE - You won't ever get it so I won't attempt to try to explain it to you. I said what I had to say which was factual and received, in response, traditional liberal b.s. which totally ignores facts including the fact that our fighting forces are volunteers. As was I. Did either of you ever serve?
Rick: Silly, of course the sun rises and sets at Obama's command. His worshippers will acknowledge that fact.
Rick-I served during the Viet Nam conflict and we would have laughed you out the door. You are entitled to your opinions-even when they are wrong. The commander in chief is still the commander in chief. That included Nixon.
I don't agree with allot of Obama's policies, but to say this was not a tough decision for a CIC to make is ridiculous. If you don't agree, ask Kennedy about the aftermath from the bay of pigs, or Carter about his failed hostage rescue (both aircraft and crews lost, no rescue, lost election in landslide), or how Clinton felt about his actions in Somalia(black-hawk down) or his then failure to act in Rwanda (300,000 dead because he didn't want another Somalia type incident) or how stupid Bush feels now for his statements about "i don't care where he is". He could have chosen a high level bombing raid, missile strike, drone strike, daylight raid with Pakistan backup, or to just ignore the intelligence like Bush did, but no, he went with the most risk, highest reward, all or nothing, raid. With that one action he put all our "partners" on notice that we don't give a @%# about your sovereignty if you harbor terrorists.
The memo was crafted so they could lay the blame at Admiral McRaven's feet if the mission went south.
And it was the mechanism he "inherited" from Bush that finally got OBL. How is it that Obama only mentions such "inheritance" when he tries to hide from his many failures but not when he gets the rare accomplishment handed to him?
weery one, you are delusional if you think an Admiral would have gotten the blame for the mission if it failed. Did an admiral get the blame when the hostage rescue mission failed in Iran? No. Watermoon. As you wingnuts love to point out, Obama had been President for over two years when Bin Laden was killed. The intelligence that led to the capture of Bin Laden came AFTER Bush had left office as well.
Had the mission failed we would never have been told about it. Rest assured on that. Top Secret.
weery/watermoon/mygirl1-Obama got him-Osama Bin Laden is dead because of Obama. No matter what crazy theories and unnamed sources or secrets you make up that will not change the fact-OSAMA BIN LADEN IS DEAD BECAUSE OF PRESIDENT OBAMA.
As Joe Friday on Dragnet used to say: Just the facts.....
smithlg
"a tool at the disposal of the Commander in Chief. " does NOT equal "A "DISPOSABLE TOOL"
Panetta recalls nail-biting moments of Osama bin Laden raid - Let me get this straight, this is the same LIBERAL PROGRESSIVE Panetta that made our troops DISARM at a recent meeting because he was either afraid of getting shot himself, or did not give a hoot about the safety of our Marines in a warzone. That Panetta right?
No, it was not Panetta that mae our troops DISARM. It was the Marine Commander who did that.
The commander must have known something...forcing the Marines to disarm before Panetta gave his speech is interesting. Now it is estimated that one in five servicemen in Afghanistan is killed by a 'soldier' they are supposed to be training. The adminstration is attempting to brush off that little tidbit as being 'inconsequential' and not important to the mission. Then you have Obama upping the ante with more troops and more time in Afghanistan and the little anti-war liberals are very quiet. Guess if it's Obama doing the wars, well then, war is just dandy.
Osama Bin Laden is still dead-killed by the Obama administration.
Try to deflect those facts.
Good thing I'm not President, I'd have ordered Pakistan to be blown off the map with a few nukes.
I'm glad we got Bin Laden, who isn't?
It's just interesting how it's being brought up one year after it happened. I understand the whole "anniversary aspect" but the press trying to say "our guy did it, your guy wouldn't have!" is tantamount to 2nd graders getting into an argument about who's faster, Superman or The Flash... or the 55 yo sitting at his desk at work wondering "if only I had hit that home run instead of striking out in the city's little league championship!" They're all just suppositions that have no bearing on anything.
It's funny how the press can only make Obama look good by imagining what his opponents "might or might not have done"....instead of looking what he's actually done (and actually not done) the past 4 years. While I'm still glad we got Bin Laden, call me cynical, I think the country is much more concerned with our economy, jobs situation and national debt then guessing what Romney "would" or "would not" have done.
Obama has marked his presidency by blaming every failure on Bush! After all, he inherited all those problems and so he is to be excused for not being able to fix them overnight - or even after three years, going on four. Well, didn't he "inherit" the mechanism set up by the Bush administration that finally brought down OBL? Shouldn't he mention this "inheritance?" Is it only the failures that he blames on Bush and never the rare accomplishment?
So now he claims in a political ad narrated by Bill Clinton (who twice had OBL offered to him but refused to act) that Romney would not have "pulled the trigger" on this one? And didn't the Seals have something to do with this result? The article seems to say they did but his political ad doesn't mention them. It is time for a change methinks.
No, he did not inherit them. Bush had dismantled the mechanism. And Clinton never had Bin Laden offered to him, another wingnut lie.
Watermoon: you conveniently gloss over the fact...that Georgie Jr. failed at finding Bin Laden. if you feel compelled to take away Obama's success...I would think you'd have to give it to someone else, and that obviously couldn't be good ole' Georgie boy. Again, he failed when he tried.
Watermoon-Bush did not have a mechanism in place-he disbanded it. Osama Bin Laden is dead and Obama got him.
The truth is clear-you obviously don't like it. That won't change it.
Hooray for our side! Ding-dong, the wicked witch is dead. If the U.S. Government is really interested in the security of its citizens, it should now go after the imams of hate which proliferate the Muslim world. Like it or not, we are in the most subtle of wars to determine who will dominate the planet, Islam or the religions of peace.
The West should be eliminating neo-Nazis and racists as well as cleaning up the madresas that proliferate the Internet and teach an anti-American way of life in Muslim communities in the U.S. With our non-Judeo-Christian brethren in Asia, we must initiate the final crusade. Global warming and capitalism are not the planet's biggest problems.
Nice to see someone can see the truly big picture.
Panetta actually made the final decision to go in and kill bin Laden. Obama didn't even know about it until after bin Laden was dead. Of course the press never reported it this way for obvious reasons.
B.S. The obvious reason the press didn't report it that way, because it is a lie
Mike-you have an unnamed source, too. How many goats in that herd?
It's much more comforting to know we finally have a Presidential administration that is serious about fighting terror and protecting our homeland.
KUDOS to the SEALS for doing their great job
Are we allowed to call it a war on terror now? I though Obama said to stop using that term and came up with some generic name. Did Holder decide it was just a criminal action and that we should be trying those people in American courts? It is not about terror any more - just man made disasters.
Watermoon,,,, Still bitter because Obama killed OBL? It really freaks you folks out doesn't it? Now you want Obama & holder prosecuted?
Get over it, neither Bush 43 or Romney would have ordered the mission,,, They both said it wasn't important
Mitt Romney --- April 2007 interview with the Associated Press, that Americans will not be markedly safer if bin Laden were killed and that "it's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person."
A few days later the other Romney said --- "We'll move everything to get him...This is a global effort we're going to have to lead to overcome this jihadist effort. It's more than Osama bin Laden. But he is going to pay, and he will die."
Etch & Sketch was trying to "appease" everyone including Al Queda & his base of wing nuts
Romney is merely Obama-lite.
it was a no brainer. i give the pres kudos for making the only logical decision. that said it is 1 for how many duhs? he is no leader. his politics stink. the economy stinks. the whole federal government is pathetic. the only branch that works is the military and the pres and congress are neutering it.
The raid is history. Enough ink on it. Move on.
But...but...but....but....there MUST be a way to make Obama look good when he's failed at everything else and the (intelligent people in the) country are no longer buying him blaming Bush for everything!
Hey! I know! Let's claim "Romney wouldn't have done it." Yeah!! That will distract people from those piddly little meaningless issues, like say, oh, I don't know, high unemployment, the continuing housing mess, and record debt.
Depends on which Romney you are talking about... Every day he says something entirely different
But his words happened to be OBL wasn't important enough to waste resources on
2.2 GDP is rather depressing. I keep hoping to feel some of that recovery, so far it feels like it did a few years ago.
No-we will repeat it again and again until the election. Osama Bin Laden is dead because Obama got him and Bush did not.
President Barack Obama will always protect the American people-like getting Osama Bin Laden.
Osama Bin Laden is Dead and GM is alive!!!
I remember reading an article lately about several Soldiers posing with some body parts from suicide bombers that had blown themselves up, I remember all the attention it had gathered and how so many people thought these guys should be disciplined,discharged and some even wanted them incarcerated for simply posing for some private photos.
Now lets compare that to President Obama using the killing of Osama/Usama Bin Laden as an election campaign tool.
And before anyone says anything about OBL deserved to be killed I completely agree and am glad he is dead, But it is hypocritical to condemn soldiers for posing for a few photos and not have a problem with the President using a killing for his own personal gain.
For one thing, those in the photo violated Army Regulations & will pay the consequences, what ever they may be.... For another this President promised to kill OBL, Pakistan permitting or not ------ "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"
Romney has been playing Etch & Sketch Electioneering politics with this issue since 2007.... Now he praises Obama for getting it done & still accuses Obama of what, playing politics? ----- Duuuuh
Sort of like the president landing on an aircraft carrier wearing a flight suit with a "Mission Accomplished" banner in the background. Except that in this case, the mission was accomplished.
Bin Laden Is Dead/GM Is Alive. Obama-Biden 2012.
GM was forgiven lots and lots of taxpayer monies, which is why they are alive. The Volt is a flop. Government Motors will always do well with the backing of the taxpayers.
Show us the photographs, Leon. Not the photoshopped one that was discovered to be two years old, but the real ones.
lol do you work for Trumpster the Dumpster?
Mitt Romney --- April 2007 interview with the Associated Press, that Americans will not be markedly safer if bin Laden were killed and that "it's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person."
A few days later the other Romney said --- "We'll move everything to get him...This is a global effort we're going to have to lead to overcome this jihadist effort. It's more than Osama bin Laden. But he is going to pay, and he will die."
Etch & Sketch was trying to "appease" everyone including Al Queda & his base of wing nuts
You want to know why everything is blamed on Bush? Read Karl Rove's book, he has a good few pages on it, and it's called Deflection.
Deflection is blaming your enemy for doing things that you have alread done, or are continuing to do. The Bush crew blamed Clinton almost every day Bush was President, and some still blame Clinton. Now when someone blames Bush for something, they are doing what the pigbags were doing, and still are doing.
Until you yahoo's wake up, quit pointing fingers, sit down and get to work together to save this country, we are going to have a worse mess here.
Because he put the country in a ditch?
Is this supposed to be a joke? It has to be.
Bush "inherited" the dot com bubble bursting and an economy going south from Clinton and 9/11 happened in his 8th month as president because Clinton let OBL go...but to claim Bush blamed Clinton for all this stuff even REMOTELY to the same degree that Obama and the libs CONTINUE to blame Bush is way beyond disingenuous.
I NEVER remember Bush saying the economy was Bill Clinton's fault and that while he was in office it was "Clinton's mess" (in the end of 1999 the economy was going south quickly and was really bad from 2001-2002).
How any lying hypocrite can say, with a straight face, that Bush blamed Clinton like Obama blames Bush is beyond me, or anyone with an iota of a brain cell.