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Subscribe to RSSGeorge Zimmerman's attorney defends his move to the Web as a counter to fake sites. Cara Moore of NBC station WESH of Orlando, Fla., reports.
George Zimmerman, who's charged with second-degree murder in the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, was the owner of an old Myspace page featuring slurs against Mexicans, his lawyer has confirmed to the Miami Herald.
Posting under the pseudonym "Joe G,"Zimmerman wrote about "mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft a-- wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around" and "gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!"
Read the full story at The Miami Herald
The discovery adds another social media element to a case that came to national attention largely through Twitter and Facebook. After initially having ordered Zimmerman to scrub his social media history, his lawyer, Mark O'Mara, has embraced a controversial social media strategy to keep the defense side of the case in the spotlight, complete with its own website.
Msnbc.com's Suzanne Choney has examined the ramifications of attorneys using social media to make their cases in public:
The American Bar Association's standards of professional conduct does not deal with social media, a spokesman for the ABA told msnbc.com, but "it's certainly going to be on everyone's radar screen" now.
Stephen A. Saltzburg, a member of the ABA's governing body, the House of Delegates, and former chairman of the ABA's criminal justice section, said "generally speaking, lawyers are not supposed to be making public statements that could compromise a fair trial."
Whether the Zimmerman social media effort will do that would be up to a judge, Saltzburg said.
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Ahhh George, you just keep digging yourself deeper into a hole
No, he doesn't @Kayner....there's just not a tornado or hurricane in the news right now so media go on search and destroy.
This is all relevant because Trayvon Martin is so Hispanic?
The Vigilante hero. Justice will be served. He'll be aquitted.
It is relevant, because it shows that Zimmerman is possibly bigoted.
It's funny how the media didn't report Trayvon's twitter account. Where he even talks of being suspended for getting caught with tools for breaking into houses and wanting to beat up school officials. Trayvon is such a bad kid that even his school publicly spoke out against him. This surely more relevant than trash talking Mexicans but MSNBC would never report it.
tempusfugit1 - Are you kidding? Or just not that smart? What do mean how is this relevant? It shows Zimmerman has shown past instances of racist/prejudice behavior towards other minorities. Part of his main argument is that he is not and cannot be racist because he his part Hispanic, yet here is evidence of him being prejudice against another Hispanic race. There was also more damaging remarks on that Myspace page, and I have no idea why MSNBC didn't mention it or show the picture. Go to the site MediaTakeOut if you want to see the screen shots.
On another note - Wow, MySpace is actually relevant again.
Jim008 - The escapades of the TEENAGE boy have been in the media plenty. Maybe you need more sources for your news. Why are there so many people that try to defend Zimmerman no matter how much evidence comes out to the contrary. Now evidence shows him behaving badly, and Zimmerman backers basically say, "I know you are but what am I". Grow up.
Jim, Martin was not suspended for having tools to break-in. He was suspended for spray painting graffiti, for fighting and for having a bag, containing what appeared to be marijuana residue. there was something about his back pack being searched and a large screw driver being found, but that does not mean it was for burglary.
@raddave44, Martin was not suspended for fighting. His other suspension was for tardiness.
Zimmerman is 28 years old. When do you think he posted this Myspace blurb? I haven't used myspace in like 10 years. Out of curiosity, I would like to see when this post was made.
I got the answer - His comment was made in 2005. He was all of 21. But that's OK, none of us said something at 21 that we didn't feel differently about 7 years later.
Shows he was a young guy pissed off at the world. Not prejudiced especially. did Trayvon ever make remarks about other blacks or different races on his fb? Would be interesting to see that. I'm white, and I make remarks about "meth heads" and other people I ought not to make. It's part of being human, which fundamentally, means you are flawed.
@Demosthenes, people are not born racist, they are taught. Being raised like that, it is unlikely Zimmerman has changed his views.
You go to wonder about the integrity of MSNBC when it collapses a comment that others chose to vote on and agree with. And the comment pertains to MSNBC's one-sided bias. It justifies what the comment was based on in the first place. Case closed
I just dont understand why people are on here defending a stalker that murdered a kid. I would like to think that everyones kid can walk to the store without being chased and murdered, but you guys are defending this piece of @!$%#. This country is disturbing.
In the area I live in that's a fairly accurate portrayal of the young Mexicans. Not the older ones. So, how are the remarks disparaging, except to the politically correct and those that have already convicted Zimmerman?
MSNBC doesn't collapse comments, Mick, the readers do.
I see this from both sides regularly.
Personally, I do not vote to collapse comments unless they are seriously way off topic or use particularly vulgar language excessively.
That being said, this is way off-topic and has little value in regard to the topic.... as well as your silly rants against MSNBC are off topic and have little value.
Mick, MSNBC doesn't collapse the comments. If enough people report your post, it is automatically collapsed. We Willy, when you lump all Mexicans together, it does not bode well for your claim that you are not bigoted.
Trayvon Martin behaved badly, but I am willing to bet most of the people holding his past up that have teenage kids have kids that have smoked pot. And many have smoked pot themselves. So he smoked pot, what does that prove other than being minor offense, a law that even many conservatives to go away. He got suspended for fighting. None of these judgemental people EVER got into a fight in school growing up huh? BS.
Point is most kids get involved in this stuff and the people that say "not my kids" are naive. And they grow out of it. GZ was an adult who shot and killed a teenager, I don't care if it was racism or not.
Shuklack
Sorry you feel that way about my comments they are said to drive home the point and make people think of both sides of the story. I find a lot of comments useless and disturbing I thought that's what made this country great. I'm not talking about threats, personal insults or that kind of nonsense. But you can only draw better conclusions with more information. I thought I made my point very clear whether Mr. Zimmerman is right or wrong both sides of the story need to be reported on and I don't think anybody with half a brain can say that MSNBC is telling both sides of the story. Like it or not it's relevant to what might have happened that night I wasn't there I want as much info on both parties for I draw conclusions.
Apparently you missed my response below where I posted links to MSNBC articles which detailed his suspensions from school.
Mick is right. Fox on the right and MSNBC saw the vacuum and leaned left to fill that demographic. Just recognize the source and it's motivations when reading anything.
Wall Street Journals editorial page is less an editorial and more a conservative opinion page for example. As long as you know that you're safe.
Zimmerman is nothing more than a vigilante who targeted Martin because he was black. There had been a number of break-ins in the neighborhood prior to Zimmerman shooting Martin. Zimmerman saw a young black and automatically assumed he was up to no good and was one of those responsible for the break-ins. Zimmerman ignored police instructions to stand down and pursued Martin. He wanted to be the neighborhood hero who caught the burglar. Instead he profiled and then shot an innocent kid. Zimmerman violated the to most basic tenets of the neighborhood watch program. First, neighborhood watch volunteers are never supposed to pursue or attempt to detain suspects, they are merely supposed to report suspicious activity to the police and let them handle it. Second, neighborhood watch volunteers are never supposed to be armed. Had Zimmerman followed those two overarching principles of the watch program this never would have happened. Instead Zimmerman tried to play vigilante hero and shot an innocent kid. He deserves to go to prison for his actions.
Isn't this nut job a Mexican himself??
Zimmermans Mother is not Mexican according to his Dad she is Peruvian and they are of the Jewish Faith.
ok time to tally the racist votes!!
1 he is a white guy that killed a black kid.
2 then it is found he has a latin mom! (gasp)
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/george-zimmerman-white-or-latino
3. now the media creates a new demographic, WHITE LATINO!!(now i have a box to check!!)
4. OH NO! he has a black ancestor also?!
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/?q=content/reports-say-george-zimmerman-not-only-had-black-friends-he-has-black-ancestry-he-hook-his-cr
5 HE IS A DEMOCRAT!!! (so will Obama have a son that looks ikes george also!)
but wait my friends,
6 now he wrote on myspace, 7 years ago, something bad about those dirty mexicans!! (even from peru they make fun of mexicans!)
So TUNE IN NEXT WEEKS FANS SO WE CAN SEE IF WE CAN BLAME HIM FOR THE BAD ECONOMY.
damn, even george bush thinks the media is blaming zimmerman for too much!!
@ Misscreant
So if people don't change their views, then we really should not have a criminal justice system based on any form of rehabilitation, I guess. If 7 years in the real world isn't enough to make a young 21 year old into a mature, rational person free of racism, than 3 years in prison or 30 years in prison wont rehabilitate a rapist or murderer. Fry them all?
So whats the tally so far? I'm betting on 99% racist. The 1% are blind.
I love the fact that I can still go back home and crash on my boys couch as if i had never left, I can hit my boy up to handle a lil somethin with my sister and he's at my house with his boys on bikes before i hang up with her! They do a year and dont ever open thier mouth to get my ass pinched.
Zimmerman has a history of not respecting the law. Which of his friends broke the law for Zimmerman and served a year without opening their mouth to get him pinched?
Let's wait until all the facts come out. I think our media has led us down a path, based upon endless speculation.
If Zimmerman is a closet racist, that's his problem. It doesn't link him to murder, as much as we like to think so. The young man he murdered, vigilante style, was not Hispanic.
His old Myspace account is probably irrelevant. It is likely that jurors will not be allowed to consider this information.
JM, I think the page shows that he has a pattern of activity of always talking down others. Also he doesn't have any respect for authority which seems to bother me more and the fact that he can get out of trouble quicker than others who don't have connections.
Thus far, Zimmerman's stories, yes stories, point to someone that seems to be attempting to manipulate the fact that he killed an unarmed teenager because of his own racist views and humongous ego.. The details of him murdering Trayvon Martin, as told by Zimmerman himself, have changed over time. Also, he lied to the court about his financial situation, has a record for assaulting a police officer, apparently sees himself as some type of hero/savior figure as per his (self-appointed) role as a neighborhood watch "captain" (If one is a captain, doesn't that mean one is a leader of certain others? Where were his "troops" on the night of the Martin murder?), has a history of making excessive calls to 911, he and his family have tried an end run on the court system by having a "friendly friend of the family" named to try his case (the first judge who recused herself), and now it has been learned he has a "problem" with Mexicans. Telling lies and obfuscation seem to be Zimmerman's modus operandi. He's a cold-blooded murderer who needs to be in prison for a good long time, if not for the rest of his life! Also, he's just an a**.
I don't think that what he wrote 7 years ago has any more to do with this case than the pictures that the media CONTINUES to use of Martin from 4 years ago. In my opinion, both show little about the individuals in this case. Martin was no angelic 13 year old when he was killed and if Zimmerman was such a bigot he would not have mentored needy African American kids like it has been reported. I say let the prosecution make its case, but if they want to build it with garbage like this Zimmerman should sue them after the case is thrown out of court. I mean really, you would dig up junk like this to show a pattern of behavior. There is no "racist" pattern if you are mentoring African American kids after these alleged comments are made.
collapsed
If the media didn't report it, how do you know about it? lol
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/02/2779667/zimmermans-attorney-trayvons-social.html
2 Coppers,
Give me an MSNBC link where they discuss any of the subjects in your quote and I will shut up. If not, then MSNBC and the people who follow it and treat it like the gospel have been selectively reporting to try, convict and hang Zimmerman from the beginning. If there was no motive or agenda, they would have been reporting both sides of this case and showing more pictures than the angelic 13 year old Martin and mugshots of Zimmerman. Classic case of media bias.
You go to wonder about the integrity of MSNBC when it collapses a comment that others chose to vote on and agree with. And the comment pertains to MSNBC's one-sided bias. It justifies what the comment was based on in the first place. Case closed
No surprise... It's always easy to belittle a race of people rather than look at yourself when you suffer from little man syndrome....
So you know George Zimmerman personally?
We know the type. Its called projection. This will go along way to show how Zimmerman views himself. I mean he's half hispanic yet has hostility towards other hispanics. Clearly he indentifies with his white side only.
lol averon1 .... I've never met him, but I know him from waay back.
Ahh averon - another lackey who supports Zimmerman no matter what. Gee, I wonder what could be his motivation for fighting so hard to back someone he doesn't even know. Could it be who Zimmerman killed that causes your adoration?
Ahh Jason another Al Sharpton lackey lemming that believes everything he hears in the media. Guess you probably tweeted Geogre Zimmerman's address too so "justice can be served". In America you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law and even if Trayvon killed Zimmerman I would feel the same way!
Not necessarily Adam. There are sections of Hispanics that don't like other sections. Puerto Ricans and Mexicans have a tenancy to not like each other.
Averon1 - You can try to spin it however you like. This guy clearly did not behave in an appropriate manner in the situation and a TEENAGER is dead because of it. People who cannot admit that are ridiculous. At the very least he was told to not keep following the kid and did and now someone is dead. Come on, use your brain. And by the way, for the most part, I think Sharpton is an over zealous guy who supports a lot of causes that hurt his overall cause. I, unlike yourself, form my own opinions.
I will hold you to that statement, because I remember all the Zimmerman lackeys coming out of the woodwork to condemn those black guys that beat up that white dude and said something about avenging Trayvon.
I didn't see anyone crying 'innocent until proven guilty' in those threads, but I sure recognized a lot of the names - and was made even more aware of their hypocrisy.
Shuklack - Come on man, you are obviously on these boards enough to realize that what they preach does not apply to them or situations where the shoe is on the other foot.
> Adam-2011718 I mean he's half hispanic yet has hostility towards
> other hispanics. Clearly he indentifies with his white side only.
Possibly, but not necessarily. I'm male, and yet I can say ''I hate men who beat their wives'' and that doesn't necessarily mean that I have hostility towards other men, or that I identify with my 'female' side.
I know it's not popular to say anything that sounds like it supporting Zimmerman at all - the killing was tragic and unnecessary - but what I am saying is that we do have to wait for all the evidence, and we do have to take all comments in context. He may have been showing hostility towards the people he saw with knives and trying to break into cars, and not with hispanics in general.
@Adam,
He clearly identifies with his white side because he has shown hostility toward other hispanics? Not all hispanics are the same or identify with each other. Mexicans and Puerto Ricans frequently dislike each other simply because of where they originate, the way they speak Spanish or any other number of reasons. If an Englishman/Frenchman hates Irishmen then he is not experiencing hate of his white side or identifying with his French side. He just has a plain old prejudice for whatever reason.
You had the right to remain silent...
It occurs to me that Zimmerman is his own worst enemy. He's an imploding worse enemy.
Sally in Chicago
So true! Especially AFTER his lawyer told him to "scrub" his online history! Makes me wonder what else they will find!
Well, I guess he is white after all.
"In America you are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law", so the same would apply to the black kid then as well? or only to people you approve of? But too bad the kid didn't even have a chance to your statement thanks to one called g. zimmerman. That's where the dispaairity lies. I'm all for the SYG law, but maybe video vigilante is better than what zimmerman did. Don't you think?
Seeing as Mr. Zimmerman is half Hispanic, does this mean he racially profiles himself? To bring out this "evidence" before the trial is a travesty of justice and taints the trial.
As for the lawyer having a Social media and discussing this; we are discussing this on a social media right now. So turn around fair play.
thepunisher-2054749,
Thank you!
Big friggin deal! Anyone seen a Carlos Mencia show lately. I'm of Italian/Sicilian ancestry and take pride in knowing some people don't mess with me because they think I have Mafia ties. Which I don't. Sometimes wish I did. Would be easy to get a better job. I sometimes go by Dago Jim, have no problem with those who call me a spaghetti bender, or ask me if the only word they need to know when they go to Italy is "atsa". You know atsa table, atsa chair, atsa fine looking dago mama! Just don't call me wop. I have papers.
"We know the type. Its called projection. This will go along way to show how Zimmerman views himself. I mean he's half hispanic yet has hostility towards other hispanics. Clearly he indentifies with his white side only".
He doesn't even identify with his "white": side which is ACTUALLY Jewish. Jews (myself being one) tend to be intelligent & well rounded - something he CLEARLY isn't. This man is clearly a WASTE and a lost cause. Put a bullet in the back of his head and dump his body in the ocean for the sharks to feed on!! Save the taxpayers the expense of housing this human turd!!
Fed Up-3261941
George Zimmerman is Mexican so why can't he disparage other Mexicans? Blacks can call each other the N word and cry "hate crime" when any other nationality person uses it.
Adam-2011718
Obama makes it clear he only identifies with his black half. Is that ok with you?
It's not just a color Zimmerman hates. In his mind he is the Lone Ranger, Batman, Captain America, Dirty Harry, and only he can protect everyone from Thugs, Gangstas, imaginary bad guys. Rejected by his girlfriend, the police, the neighborhood watch, only he stands between the criminals and the public so he must prove to everyone they were wrong about not wanting him.......Well Punks he has a gun, do you feel lucky huh Punks do you?...Unfortunately Trayvon was drinking ice tea, eating Skittles and talking honeypoo talk with his girlfriend before being judged a criminal needing justice because they always get away......Doen't matter what color, whoever he decides is a criminal is the victim. 48 calls in all. Number 48 died.
in what time frame? 8 since August including reporting open doors where residents were not home, alarms, children in the street unattended, stray dog(s) are among the 48 you stated and if I read correctly that was over the past 5 years.
What I can't wait for in this trial is the following. When Trayvon's Mom and Dad get on the stand and have to explain how a 17 year old "good boy", could afford $8000 worth of gold grill work on his front teeth? Answer me that question? He was either a thug, a drug dealer, both, or he hit the lottery. I'm betting it's one of the first two, or maybe both. Treyvon's no "good little boy", he's something else entirely, but that being said, this case is interesting to say the least and far from over. Let justice take it's course.
ROFLMAO - $8,000? Where do you live.... Russia?! The swap meet around the corner sells them for $20.00.
two coppers, those $20 ones are not real gold my friend, nor do they take the place of your "real" teeth like Trayvon's do. however, nice to know you get to the swap meet often.
JCB-1236504,
You are kidding, right? Kid's buy those crazy fake gold teeth for $10 on my side of Florida! Trayon was about 12 when that picture was taken, and you "thought" they were real???
Good Grief.....buy some thought!
Hopefully this can stand in court to prove this disturbed @!$%# is a racist. I hope he goes to jail for a long time so it can send a clear message to people who like to hate on other races.
When is Eric Holder going to prosecute the Black Panthers who put a bounty on Zimmerman? When is he going to hold Spike Lee accountable for tweeting the address of the Zimmerman's with intent to harm? When is MSNBC going to stop race baiting this case? This question is for MSNBC what part of Zimmerman shot Martin the white or the Latino?
The stupid "wanna be a cop" part.
Law enforcement will do something about the New Black Panthers when they actually do something to Zimmerman. So far, it is just talk. Sounds like you want them imprisoned for sounding off, but Zimmerman kills and you rush to his defense. Spike Lee did step immediately step up to the plate and apologize and financially compensate the people whose address he divulged.
SIESTASIS,
LOL, Thanks for the laugh!
I have to agree in part with Mick. There is a lot if irreprehensable behavior going on here. Spike Lee should be held accountable, and it's a forgone conclusion that the Panther's don't follow anyone's rules.
I would be very interested to see how the trial turns out since the Police botched this one, or if some people I've spoken with think, they were taking their time to make sure there was adequate evidence to actually prosecute with...I'm of the mind they were hoping it would all go away.
Apparently you need to study up on the law threatening someone's life is a crime! Second Spike Lee proved what he is, a piece of garbage willing to hurt innocent people. Smells a little racist to me but that's only my opinion. By your own rant he is every bit as bad Zimmerman.
daryl,
The NBP didn't start intimidating voters until Obama was running for office, or put bounties on people until Obama's Attorney General was in office. So what?
I remember the new Black Panthers at that polling place in Philadelphia. There were many complaints of racial intimidation carried by the national news. Funny this case was pushed up the ladder to Washington who just found way after way and delay after delay as a means to handle it. Funny how Mr. Holder wasn't concerned about seeing justice done here.
Mick, When putting a bounty on someone becomes a federal crime is when the Justice Dept will get involved. Same thing with Spike Lee tweeting someone's address. If those are crimes it is state crimes and handled at that level. There were zero complaints of voter intimidation against the New Black Panthers, that is why the Bush justice dept declined to charge them.
To prosecute both of them or just one? Both of the two New Black Panthers?
raddave44 you are incorrect on all your answers when it is directly involved in the crime that you have taken a direct response it encompasses all related matters and that includes the Black Panthers. As far as voter intimidation this was during the election between Pres. Obama and John McCain and the matter was handled or should I say continually delayed under the Obama administration! You really need to check your facts.
Mick, you are wrong. the "threat" against George Zimmerman is a separate incident, it is not a Federal Crime, therefore the justice dept would not investigate it. Who was President during the election of Obama and McCain and was for over two months after the election? Bush was, the justice dept under him, investigated the incident, received no complaints of intimidation and declined to press criminal charges.
Wasn't Black Panthers who are largely history but I know they sound nice and scary to you. It was the NEW Black Panther Party, which is smaller than most girl scout troops and about as threatening.
As for which part of his "race" did the shooting please, please, please learn something about basic anthropology. LATIN is NOT a race. You can be latin and 100% Caucasian, or 100% Black or even 100% Pueblos indígenas. Latin can be any number of races or mixes of races, you could be from Spain, Portugal, Britain, France, Denmark, Germany (if still on the lam) any number of European countries. You could also be from Africa brought over as part of the slave trade or part of the native indigenous peoples. So what all that means is as Latin you could be Caucasian, Negro, Pueblos indígenas or any mix of all.
Our race is really more about how we see ourselves and not what our actual heritage is. We don't know how George sees himself just yet, but we are getting clues.
When will Mick-2181854 stop posting in all bold? No one cares about your crackpot rants, dude.
Big Trouble
Seems like you took the trouble to "dude" by the way love the name calling real mature and intelligent.
Honestly, your rants are indeed pretty crackpotty. And all that usage of bold lettering only supports that conclusion. Crackpots love to over use bold lettering. Maybe tone it down some, and people wouldn't get false impressions.
raddave44
http://www.ibls.com/internet_law_news_portal_view.aspx?id=2064&s=latestnews
18 U.S.C. § 875(c) states: "Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication containing any threat to kidnap any person or any threat to injure the person of another, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both." From the wording of § 875(c) it is clear that the legislator did not require the element of 'intent.' Thus, it is irrelevant if the accused claims he/she did not have the intent to produce any injury on the victim; the mere act of sending the e-mail with threatening messages typifies the criminal conduct.
Offering a reward isn't a threat Trust_Verify.
The ignorants are out in force, offering a reward for a citizens arrest or capture is not a crime, period. There are plenty of rewards offered by private citizens to solve or capture those responsible for an alleged crime all over the place. Should we start prosecuting those people as well?
The black panthers, may have their own hiden agenda or motive, but they did use a legal and common pratice. So get over it. I'd like to see all the racist and bigots be prosecuted as well, but over half of this country's citizens would behind bars.
Has anyone actually read about the threat against zimmerman by the New Black Panthers? No?
They offered $10,000 for the capture of zimmerman. You can stretch and twist that any way you like but on it's face it doesn't amount to an actual threat of injury or bodily harm or kidnapping.
So you want the Justice Department to get involved for a group that verbally offered $10,000 for Zimmerman's 'capture'? That's right, it was verbalized at a rally. Good luck with that.
On a final note, the person who verbalized the bounty (I think his name is Mohamed) was later arrested for violating his parole. Faster, cheaper and easier than having him tried for an asinine statement.
I am asking the question;
If it is alright to put a bounty on the head of Mr. Zimmerman, Dead or Alive, Would it be alright to put a bounty on the heads of all the New Black Panthers out there - Dead or Alive?
I think if someone actually did that, the DOj would be all over it. Ain't so? You have to have equal justice under the law. If if is good for the goose, it must be good for the gander.
raddave44
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-reports-black-panthers-offering-bounty-on-trayvon-killer-george-zimmerman/
Dead or alive IS a threat. Comments of an eye for an eye are a threat.
sending the supposed address of a target IS a threat when there is such a poster.
Mick-2181854 you don't know what you are talking about in any of your posts.
and this
and this
is a flat out lie
trayvon martin was suspended for
a) writing "wtf" on a locker at school. has anyone ever scrawled on a desk at school?
b) have a baggie with a minuscule (by the school authorities own statement ) amount of marijuana residue in his backpack. they did not accuse trayvon martin of
1) acting as if he was under the influence of marijuana
2) smelling like marijuana smoke or
3) appearing as if he was under the influence of marijuana
trayvon martin had no record of violent crime or violent criminal activity. period. he has never been accused or have any record of having an altercation with any school official, none
if you want to know what type of person trayvon martin was i have an article. since you would probably not believe anything but fox here is a fox affiliate's description given after their investigation
from fox latino (they don't seem to be in zimmerman's corner)
well what do ya know. parental involvement in activities that would keep him out of gangs
that is the person who you are trying to make into tookie williams the second
as far as the erstwhile "new black panthers" at the polling place there were no complaints of voter intimidation made by anyone who was voting. the only complaint was made by the brietbart stooges who were trying to start an incident.
watch, there are people talking on their cell phones right next to the panthers. the brietbart stooges even asked asked a caucasian man who was talking on the phone did he feel threatened. the caucasian man said "no".
now is there any reason that people might think that there needs to be security at polling places like maybe republican voter intimidation efforts
well, yes!!
i imagine that the people in philidelphia don't live in caves and are aware of voter intimidation efforts in other parts of the country
1ad-1602146
The Black Panthers have committed a crime, its called solicitation of murder. When ordinary people offer money for the killing of someone, they go to prison. Well, they would under any other administration. This one needs them to stand around with night clubs at polling places to try to intimidate voters. Local cops will be ready for that one this time. Seems the attitude is, all is ok that blacks do but not for anyone else. Obama's illegal alien uncle gets away without prosecution for DUI, still is here and that poor blind fella asking for asylum is left to the Chinese to do with as they will. November can't come soon enough.
Shaking my head-2479300
you make pronouncements without knowledge of what constitutes the charge of solicitation of murder.what the "new black panthers did does not fit the elements of the charge of solicitation of murder.
Thank you kappa_man_stew! Well done!
Holder, like Obama will always be black first and American second.
that seems to historically be america's view of "black people" also...
Kappa... beat me to the punch. lol I really enjoy when someone proclaims something is a crime - with absolutely no idea what the law is. :-)
Sandie-The first judge who recused was NOT a friend of the family!! Either you just enjoy msking things up, don't retain what you read or can't read at all, whic is it?? The whole story about why this judge recused herself has been printed right here on MSNBC go back and read it or google this and get informed before you spew!!!
People grow and change considerably between the age of 21 and 28. Just as they do from 18 to 21, 25 to 30, 30 to 40 etc.. etc.. From the things GZ has done like mentoring kids, having diverse friendships etc.. shows that he has matured since 2005 when he posted the remarks on myspace etc..
I think I'd have to call just about everybody alive a liar if they claimed they have never ever made a stupid and possibly racist remark about another group of people. Cite one source of evidence of this from the 65 pages of horrible nasty comments about the mom who got arrested for taking her daughter with her to tan. Was never more embarrased by or for a so-called group of adults in my life. IF those folks could stoop that low over that woman then they will say anyting about anybody any time, where or place!! Had never seen some a group of hate filled people even on a GZ story!!!! The saddest part is probably the majority of those posting crap on that story were far older than Zimmermans 21 age then and 28 now. The fact is you see that level of immaturity all over the place form all ages, races,ethnicities and income levels.As far as GZ"S remarks, Let thee who is without sin cast the first stone...
FYI-it's not true that there were no public complaints to Eric Holder and the DOJ regarding the NBPP putting a bounty on Zimmermans head. There was an open letter from the Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson calling for arrests and he had an on line petition regarding the same. The Rev. told Holder in no uncertain terms.."The NBPP has been emboldened by the lack of action and daid the group must be stopped now before their incitement to violence and bloodshed become a tragic reality in Florida and across this nation".
Michelle Williams, Chief of staff NBPP
"let me tell you, the things about to happen, to these honkeys, these pigs, these pink people, these-people. IT has been long overdue... My price right now this evening..is gonna be the bounty, the arrest of George Zimmerman, Dead or Alive. Do you feel me?? It's in me to fight. It's in me to raise up soldiers. It's in me every time my feet hit the ground in the state of Florida. These crackers-they scared".
LMAO!
"I think I'd have to call just about everybody alive a liar if they claimed they have never ever made a stupid and possibly racist remark about another group of people."
So, does that mean U will (finally) admit it, or R U just a liar? And........staying with your SOP's............these words R spelled wrong: msking, whic
"Had never seen some a group of hate filled people even on a GZ story!!!!"
LMAO! Again, staying with your SOP's.............who told U that this was good grammar? U should go back a few weeks (months?) and re-read what U have written before. Hate? U R their queen.
♪♫Good afternoon Ms Hypocrite.♪♫
I honestly don't know Y Tyler & Sally put up with U.
How many people did she kill?
When will MSNBC start showing information about Martin and some of his unsavory ways?
Everyone already knows that Trayvon Martin was not an angel. However, would this be justification for killing him while he is walking down a public street, minding his own business, and not engaged in any criminal activity. Stop defending that loser -- Chicken George. Everyday, something unsavory pops up about him.
Never because it doesn't fit with their race baiting agenda. This is, after all, the network that gave America's biggest piece of garbage Al Sharpton his own show.
What does Trayvon have to do with this? He is dead he isn't on trial. People made this guy out to be a person who had no prejudice he treated everyone the same regardless of race, color or creed. Unless he only didn't like Mexicans but everyone else was cool in his book. Yeah that's it! I'm convinced!
Don't forget Averon - (I agree with you Sharpton is POS - Gee I wonder if he has made restitution yet to the firefighters in the Tawana Brawley thing. Somehow I doubt it. He must thank her everyday for that lie.)I digress - but he was a frequent contributor on Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity's shows.
Odd: everything I've heard and read coming from Zimmerman has been derogatory toward "thugs". I'll tell you honestly when I see individuals who are wearing gang colors or dressing the code I'm more on guard myself.
I don't see his "hate of color" but I do see his hatred of thugs (young criminal offenders).
Sharpton was forced to pay 345K in that disgusting farce.
Oh and Mick, probably because the kid is dead. I think he's paid enough of a price. Apparantely not enough for some off you.
Its ok I know you have no argument, so point all blame at the dead kid. No I didn't say he was a saint but clearly not a violent felon either.
1ad,
I'm still trying to figure out how Trayvon was "not an Angel"?
...I went out and looked on Facebook (before the profiles were removed) and there were two profiles for "Trayvon Martin", the first one was obviously NOT him-that one was the Thug with no shirt and all the tattoos. This guy was short and muscular, not tall and skinny, and the face DID NOT belong to the Trayvon who was killed by Zimmerman.
The second one had a picture that was DEFINATELY Trayvon, but it was limited access to those who were Martin's friends.
The second account had a picture of Trayvon wearing a baseball cap and a striped shirt, it was a recent picture that looked like a skinny high school kid, just as the descriptions of Martin stated. He did not look like the thug many bloggers are attempting to make him out to be.
None of us know why Zimmerman did what he did, but what the evidence, that has been released, appears to say is Zimmerman screwed up and Martin paid the price for it. I will be very interested in hearing all the evidence to see if there is anything that will change the image that has been out there for the last month.
I still hold that race was not the issue here, just a rent-a-cop wannabe who took the law in his own hand and killed someone. Now he's trying to cover up his stupidity.
Adam-2011718
Sorry sir, you misread me entirely I've never said Zimmerman was guilty or innocent I simply pointed out that MSNBC and many others have consistently shown only one side of the story ,if you are going to bring up George Zimmerman's past as a character reference then fortunately the same should be done for Mr. Martin .These are not my quotes or questions these are merely references and actions taken by news organizations and put into print and broadcast. As for the actions of the Black Panthers, Spike Lee and Mr. Holder well all I can say is MSNBC has sure dropped the ball on these individuals haven't they?
Mr Martin is not on trial, he is dead. His past is irrelevant. And again, the U.S. Justice Dept only investigates Federal Crimes, not state.
raddave44
Actually both their characters will come into question. You are correct he is dead and that is a tragedy. But MSNBC seems intent on character enlightenment of only Mr. Zimmerman. If we knew more about Mr. Martin one might also be able to speculate as to the type of person he is and how he acted. After all if you're going to draw comparisons and claim somebody's comments, actions speak volumes about who they are that it's only fair that both sides be totally exposed not just one and that is exactly what is going on with MSNBC!
If you are so desperate to see Trayvon Martin, the thug, go to FOX News. That's all they're showing on that side of the fence.
Mick, Martin is the victim, his character is not considered in the case. Defense attorneys try to do this in other types of cases such as rape and it is quickly squashed.
So, your entire argument is basically just whining about MSNBC? Are you certain that msnbc did not run articles on Trayvon?
Trayvon was Suspended Three times ON MSNBC
Suspension linked to pot ON MSNBC
That's just a small portion not including msnbc's newsvine.
daryl-2183015 "Seriously, get back to class before your special ed teacher catches you and takes away your "A" for the day for remembering your name at rollcall".
Wow what a intelligent way to qualify your argument. Speaks volumes about who you are then again I'm sure you've looked in the mirror. Don't worry about me I'll just go back to my special ed class which clearly is about 50 grade levels above yours.
Hey, mick, have you ever ran into one honest news outlet, that can truly say they are non-biased? If so, please point it out so the rest of the world may get our news from there instead of piecing turds together.
JeannieW. I watch Fox news and they have very little about this case anymore, just as most other news outlets, they are reporting on other news and this is getting put on the back burner.
Mick
When you stop using bold Newsvine members will stop collapsing your posts...I think, well maybe not, but it's worth a try at least. IMO it makes you appear to be pompous, you know full of yourself and always right type of personality.
How do you know Mick isn't vision impaired and needs to use the bold feature?? Why is it even there if we're not supposed to make use of it?? I know.....We need to get realists' permission first, right? Don't think you need to use bold italics or anything else to sound pompous and full of yourself!! Hey! how the heck do you switch it back???lol
That is why I resented the fact that they try to say he is hispanic and tried to make latinos side with him based on that fact alone when in actuality it really means nothing. You see soft a** Mexicans mess with peoples cars when they aren't looking if they want to be hard a** Mexicans they need to shoot unarmed black kids after confronting them and getting a beat down on a confrontation you started. When will you Mexicans ever learn? Not to mention the fact you need to have a white daddy that always gets you out of trouble. Now that's hard! George Zimmerman is an OG!
You got to wonder about the integrity of MSNBC when it collapses a comment that others chose to vote on and agree with. And the comment pertains to MSNBC's one-sided bias. It justifies what the comment was based on in the first place. Case closed
Mick,
All you are doing is complaining about MSNBC coverage of this tragedy...so if you don't like how they are covering it why don't you go some where else. Case closed
This case should be tried in the courts and not by race baiting MSNBC!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mick, you are the only one race baiting today. Just you.
I think, not I am just quoting MSNBC the truth is the truth!!!!!
daryl-2183015
Apparently you need to study up on the law threatening someone's life is a crime! Second Spike Lee proved what he is, a piece of garbage willing to hurt innocent people. Smells a little racist to me but that's only my opinion. By your own rant he is every bit as bad Zimmerman.
Mick, who threatened who's life? What the hell does what Spike Lee did have anything to do with your claim that MSNBC is race baiting?
Mick,
You are right about Spike Lee, he IS a race-baiter...but he IS NOT MSNBC. You pretty much blew your entire argument when you threw that out there.
Military Man-1740371
When you use the term white /Latino you are race baiting plain and simple. And this is what MSNBC has consistently done. So I asked the question what part of George Zimmerman shot Martin the white or the Latino Part? The references to Spike Lee, Eric Holder and the Black Panthers was simply to point out the racial inconsistencies and lack of coverage by MSNBC on these particulars .
Mick,
There have been numerous individuals who trying to pull the race-card since this came out. MSNBC has focused on what has been reported, and that is what has been reported...Look at all the people who have become involved in this, and why.
I recall MSNBC showing the comments from Trayvon's Mom, she and his father tried to deflect the Race-Baiters, and get the truth of the situation out there. Since the situation with the Panthers and Spike Lee became news, race has been what nearly everyone is focusing on.
daryl-2183015
I never brought up Al Sharpton once!! Get your facts straight!
Second a bounty on someone head is a bounty!! and is considered a death threat,your liberal spin on the black panthers doesn't hold water do some research intead of taking msnbs spin on them.
Third Msnbc uses race all the time in relation to this case " White/ Latino their race label not mine.
Fourth maybe you should take a walk to the library and learn how to make sure your thought are at least semi organized and then look up proof reading!!!!!!!!!!!!
In other news NBC does everything in its power to discredit George Zimmerman. So I guess Trayvon's twitter handle of no_limit_n*gga disparaged African Americans too then according to this logic.
Isn't it sickening the one-sided coverage of this particular case. We have no idea what actually happened that night other than Martin getting shot but the last time I checked there are two sides to every story and we sure as hell are only hearing one side from MSNBC!!!!!!!!!! I guess you could say prejudice is alive and well at an MSNBC because we sure aren't seeing the other side!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Reuters piece on Zimmerman was very good. Its the only article I've seen on MSNBC that wasn't biased.
Ok Daryl let's assume for a minute you're right and Zimmerman is racist against Mexicans. So how would that make him more likely to shoot Trayvon? Was Trayvon a Mexican?
daryl-2183015
White/Latino this from the lips of MSNBC not me that's race baiting my friend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cracks me up how he is a "white-latino" according to the media. Is MSNBC going to start calling Pres Obama a "white-black"?
averon, latino is not a race.
Surely you are not so slow that you can't see the difference?! Women call each other "bitches," but these same women find it offensive when men call women "bitches." The personal meaning of the word depends on the user.
He is using the 'oblivious' tactic. It's where you act like a complete idiot whom is incapable of understanding nuance in order to make a strawman argument.
For some reason, some people think it is a winning strategy in debate.
But Mexican isn't a race, so then he isn't racist :) They are the same race as he is, aren't they?
daryl, I have read over and over that Obama is the "first black president." I don't recall anyone writing "the first mixed race president."
daryl-2183015l, no they have not. That is either wishful thinking, selective memory, or a downright lie. They have consistently called Mr. Obama black, ignoring the fact he is as black and white as an oreo cookie since the day he was elected.
Link:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27531033/ns/politics-decision_08/t/barack-obama-elected-th-president/
I can give you more links that aren't MSNBC stories if you need me to.
I have heard the pesident speak on numerous occasions about his mother and his maternal grandparents. He loved his mother deeply and even his maternal grandmother despite her misguided and unfortunate views about black men. The president has never, to my knowledge, tried to disavow his caucasian lineage. Apparently his mother raised him correctly, unlike those who dislike him because he is half black. Obama/Biden 2012!
Every tribe is superior to every other tribe. The human way.
Looks like George considered himself white and did show prejudice against different races! BTW, Mick, his other half is Peruvian, not exactly Latino. I swear the first time I heard the tape of him and his dispatcher, I heard him mutter a racial slur as he was getting off the phone and they had already told him "we don't need you to do that" when he was gonna get out of his car to follow Trayvon! And it was racial as he thought the kid was suspicious just because he was black, wearing a hoodie and looked out of place in a nice neighborhood! He had no motive other than that! Had the kid not been on the sidewalk, looking in people's windows, then he would have had motive! Trayvon was simply walking down the sidewalk, eating his skittles and talking on his cell to his GF! No motive! Unacceptable! And I am a 63 yr. old white woman!
Sharon,
What is your definition of"Hispanic"?
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Origin:
1575–85; < Latin hispānicus. See Hispania, -ic
Hispanic (hɪˈspænɪk)
— adj
1. relating to, characteristic of, or derived from Spain or Spanish-speaking countries
— n
2. ( US ) a person of Latin-American or Spanish descent living in the US
usage This is the word most generally used in the US to refer to people of Latin American or Spanish ancestry
Of Spanish influence or origin...Peru was populated by Spain and most of the population there is native Peruvian/Spanish, therefore "Hispanic". Latino refers to Hispanics living in the US, therefore "Latino" describes Zimmerman.
It is Sharon's first sentence that is the core of the matter: "Looks like George considered himself white..." Whether Latino, Hispanic, Jewish, African-American or any other race/ethnic group..."Looks like Geroge considered himself white."
JeannieW-1271355
And you know this how Jeannie? Now who's the racist must be a lack of mirrors in your own house sister. Jump to conclusions much try sticking to the facts and what you can actually prove. And while you're at it while not try to get the whole picture.
Mick, have you ever heard of a comma before?
What effing difference does it make people? Hispanic, Latino, Peruvian, White, Black, Caucasian, Negro, English, European, American, Spanish, Eskimo, etc., etc., etc!
AN INNOCENT TEENAGER, NOT YET ACQUIRING LEGAL ADULTHOOD IS DEAD, SIX FEET UNDER, NEVER COMING BACK!!!
And all you want to do is argue semantics? America is becoming a well of hopelessness and the majority of you are the reason why. You make me wish I lived on an secluded island away from all of the insanity.
Trayvon probably worried that he was being followed by a person with criminal intentions.
OUR tribe is superior.That is why the world has evolved such notions as equality,womens' rights,etc.Not a perfect society?So sad,move to where there is one.I applaud a latino,or white latino who doesn't want illegals here.Ps Trayvon should still be alive
Maybe Zimmerman would like to convert Mexico to a German speaking nation.
Isn't like the pot calling the kettle black??? This guy is scum and needs to pay for what he did clear and simple and for all of you folks posting on the vine that think he is a victim you had better take another look because this guy Zimmerman is a punk so get over it and be ready to write to him while he is in the joint because at the end of the day that's where he is headed.
Daryl,
I agree with your definition of the misuse of the "Stand your Ground" Law, since the law is meant to allow the defense of persons or property from those who are a threat.
What I don't see is; how, until Zimmerman instigated the action, Martin was a threat to anyone.
I agree Daryl, being a CCW permit holder and gun owner myself - I find Zimmerman's irresponsible and downright stupid actions to be harmful to not only my gun rights, but the argument that gun-owners act responsibly with their weapons.
'Nickel-plated scrotum' hits the nail on the head in this case, and that nickel-plated scrotum got a teenager killed for no good reason whatsoever. The fact that people actually defend such deplorable judgment from an adult gun-owner is mind boggling, to say the least.
So Shuklack if I was beating your head into concrete, even if you had somehow pissed me off beforehand, would you not shoot me to save your own life?
Daryl, so you know for a fact Zimmerman started the fight? Were you there? If you were I think you need to make a statement to the police because the prosecutor said in court they don't know who started the fight.
daryl do you know why people were congenial to each other in the old days of the wild west? Because every single person, including the sweet little old lady running the local hat shop carried a weapon. You treated anyone you came into contact with respectfully or you could very well find yourself staring down the barrel of a gun at the least or shot dead at the worst.
daryl: "you have no right to defend yourself when you start the fight."
While I agree with you in general principle, in fact of law nothing is that black and white. If you start a fight and then retreat, you are no longer the aggressor. If you are attacked and defend yourself, but don't stop after the threat has resided, you are no longer the victim. If GZ retreated like he says, then he ceased being a threat. If he didn't retreat, then perhaps Trayvon was standing his ground.
You, nor I, were there that night, but you seem to be convinced that Zimmerman started a fight that he couldn't finish. You don't know that, I don't know that, the investigators whose job is to make that determination and come to an "official" conclusion stated that they don't know that.
In my opinion, the media has whipped up a frenzy here that they may come to regret. Journalistic standards need to be changed in this country. I think the media should report that an incident has happened, then for the sake of justice and due process, shut up and quit their own independent "investigations." The old "the public has a right to know" argument has become an excuse for sensationalism and pushing political agendas. The public can find out all the details it truly needs to know during the cold, analytic, scientific, UNEMOTIONAL trial afforded by the due process of law.
In this case in particular, the media should have stopped at GZ's arrest. It is not the media's place to investigate either man's personal life, Facebook, personal foibles, personality problems, past angry statements, school records, haircut, underwear brand, etc. etc. etc. like they have done, so often with such inaccuracy as to become almost criminal.
In our journalism classes in college we often had exercises in identifying facts versus opinions. Judging from articles on CNN and MSN, it doesn't seem like that is taught anymore.
Why havent they talked about the web page from last year? On the other site that showed the page, they showed a second one from 2011 with zimmerman having niggy something on it. He's talking gangsta, people on this made trayvon look like a thug. Zimmerman on the pages are far worse, also Zimmerman at 21 should know better. @!$%#, he was 27 when he wrote this other stuff. When I can find it again i'll post it on the site so you guys can see it. Even his lawyers said it was him, he seems bi polar to me.
Makes you wonder what kind of mindset Zimmerman had that night.
This is why I believe in being an EOO - equal opportunity offender. If I offend all I am prejudiced against no one in particular because all are subject to my offending ways. In all seriousness, this garbage is getting out of hand. Slurs against Mexicans? What does that have to do with anything? Are they trying to say that because Zimmerman wrote some slurs on a webpage that he is a violent, hateful, prejudicial person? I think the more daunting task would be to find someone that never uttered a slur of any kind at least once. His mistake was he put his thoughts on the web. Unfortunately, he is another "Joe the Plumber" in the sense that Zimmerman will never go away...ever...like a rash...or a fungus.
Didn't Martin do the same thing and everyone said he was a thug.
Just from reading alittle bit of what Zimmerman wrote it is quite clear that in ALL instances that Zimmerman is a protaginist as well as racially profiling people to incite them to be violent so that he would be justified in using deadly force against them if they should ever seek him out.
Zimmerman wrote about "mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft a-- wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around" and "gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!"
Zimmerman is a paranoid individual who likes to purposely incite a situation to make himself out to be the hero.
The question is does Zimmerman look at all Mexicans and Black the way that he does based upon what he wrote above? If so then there is an amount of pre-meditation to his actions because of his belief that all Mexicans are thugs or criminals and that they all carry knives and will attack you.
From this we can put into place the motivation behind Zimmermans actions that night when he killed Trayvon.
Zimmerman was told by the police dispatcher to not continue to racially profile Trayvon but because of Zimmermans metal disorder and racist mentality in not be able to see past the color of Trayvons skin color Zimmerman automatically assumed that Trayvon was like a Mexican and was out looking to steal something and had a weapon on him.
Zimmermans paranoia resulted in the instigation of the fight that lead to Zimmerman killing Trayvon in cold blood.
Zimmerman is a sociopath and should never have had a weapon or been put into a place of responsibilty of being an armed guard.
Just because you have a weapon and are an armed guard does not mean that you are the jury and judge in any situation just because you have the power to take a life and think that you have the right to exert this form of baseless power over another.
A real armed guard knows that going into any situation must be met with the reality that the person regardless of who they and what they may be doing unless it is a criminal act are not engaged in any criminal act.
Zimmerman judged Trayvons actions that night based upon Trayvons skin color and incited the situation so that he would be seen as someone with power because he killed a thug.
Zimmerman needs to realize that the needle he will receive does not judge.
So you've talked to George Zimmerman? Can I see you Psychology degree?
So when is being black or mexican a crime?
Zimmerman killed Trayvon because he was black and no other reason.
So you were there? You can read George Zimmerman's thoughts? I think you need to testify at the trial as an expert witness!
Since they are going to dig up past, irrelevant items about Zimmerman--let us know what he was like in high school, what kind of friends he had, clubs he was in----they did his employment history-- let's go back to his childhood, see where he lived and, if there were any traumatic or memorable events--everything related to the case or not.
Yes, just the same way the media did with Trayvon, especially Fox News.
i bet he gave someone a wedgie.
Trayvon Martin posted bare knuckle boxing street fights on Youtube does that show that he had violent tendencies as well?
So for all those who kept saying, "This is not about Race, as Zimmerman's not Caucausian, he's Hispanic" .... It is about race, he doesn't like Hispanics either.
only thing he hates are thugs and punks
All Mexicans are thugs? He didn't say thugs, he said Mexicans.
True! He does seem to hate thugs and punks...problem is (was) he was seeing thugs and punks where none existed! Seems that Zimmerman was so prejudiced of this group he saw them everywhere.....Not all young black people and Mexicans are thugs and punks!! Zimmerman is not physiologically balanced enough to carry a gun......and so are many, many others!!
WOW...more in depth factual reporting! Let's take something that hasn't been touched in 7 years and point out all of the bad things he said. People are incapable of change...they remain as they were when they were 21 years old.
ROFLOL
Since at age 28 this man is accused of following and killing a young Black man, we can kinda figure that this is one man who has not changed.
It is obvious that you have already determined that this man is guilty based on media releases. Good for you.
Fortunately, in this country, people are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Major News Flash -
Black people use "N" word. Update at 11.
Profile of a legal gun owner...........
he is complaining about crime not Mexicans. if it is the Mexican race he sees doing the crimes then that is what it is.
What this article FAILS to mention is the MySpace page was last updated in 2005. Everyone is jumping on another Racial Profiling Bus and joining in on the FRENZY.
So...your point is that he never sees white Americans committing crimes? Yeah...right.
Are you saying he is a changed man since 2005??? lol
I'm saying that what someone says or does 7 years ago is not a given reflection of what they would say or do today.
Are you saying he should be judged by a MySpace page last updated in August 2005? lol
cms, yes in 2005, he was railing against "Mexicans" not against criminals. he lumped them all together. This shows bigotry.
raddave44
That's an interesting conclusion you've drawn.
My son, at age 20 fixed up his car and put in a nice sound system. A member of a gang (they left their mark) removed his sound system after breaking a window. I can assure you that his thoughts and words about all members of this gang and their country of origin were not 'loving'. According to your conclusion...that would make my son a bigot.
I can assure you that he is not. He was young and angry...he is now a more mature young man. He isn't quick with angry words any longer. I'm speaking about my son here...and perhaps the same could be said about Zimmerman by his mother.
There's always more to the story....The majority of people are not actually defending Zimmerman, but are speaking out because so many have reached conclusions with few facts and whole lotta media hype. If you're ok with doing that...convinced that Zimmerman is GUILTY without a trial...I hope you, or anyone you know, are never placed in that same position.
It would depend cms, does your son think all Mexicans are gang members? And actually most people are defending Zimmerman and reaching conclusions of their own with few facts and a whole lotta media hype. And are only saying let this be tried in court, AFTER Zimmerman was charged. Before that, they were saying he shouldn't even be charged.
With all the uninformed comments about Zimmerman, it is reasonable to assume Treyvan probably stole the skittles. There is as much evidence for a theft as there is for the pseudo-intellectual comments against Zimmerman.
Trayvon was carrying the receipt for the skittles and ice tea in his pocket.........but you didn't read the first story, right?
Let me help you find your way out of the BS...most of the comments about Zimmerman are not based on hunches. They're based on facts gathered concerning this disturbed and spoiled young man. ("Disturbed" and "spoiled" are conclusions I've come to based on the facts.)
Lost, it is not remotely reasonable to assume Trayvon stole the Skittles; there is nothing to even hint at that. But everything about Zimmerman comes from either his own words or his verifiable actions.
BS, you astound me.
Trayvon BOUGHT the 32 oz Tea and the bag of Skittles at a convenience store down the street from his Dad's girlfriend's Townhome. All the homes in the area look exactly the same. Trayvon did not live in the neighborhood, but had EVERY right to be there.
I am sure he looked suspicious as he tried to find his way back to the townhome, since his Dad was out on a date. Zimmerman did the correct thing in calling 911 about a suspicious individual, but that was where his role should have stopped. He was told by the 911 operator that the Police were on their way to his location, but he decided to detain Martin by himself-with a gun. He was NOT protecting anything, he was not acting to protect anyone. He screwed up (my opinion).
Truthfully, whether Trayvon bought the Skittles is irrelevant. You look like a twit for even saying that.
Yes...... You are LOST in the Bullsh-t!!! lol!!!
So is he now the vigilante for 7-11? Was he avenging the theft of the 1.09 cent Skittles by pronouncing a death sentence? Your comment is asinine and ridiculous.
Sadly for little georgey, his adventure as a social crusader will end in a jail cell, or at best, perpetual poverty after a successful civil suit..
10 years from now, the only thing Zimmerman will have to his name will be a hoody, bag of skittles and an ice tea..........
Zimmerman is a white Hispanic whose father has probably raised this boy with a disdain for minorities. Pair that with a latent desire to be one of the "authority figures" and George is "walking trouble." I am still astounded by the fact that enough people are on his side to allow him to collect $200,000. Amazing. A young boy is dead and people side with the killer.
His Mother is not Mexican according to his Dad, she is Peruvian there is a difference. lol!!!
A young MAN was killed because he attacked another MAN likely trying to be "tough". In Florida, almost anyone can carry a gun. You attack someone, you need to know it's possible they have a gun.
What's amazing is a few weeks ago people was all over Trayvon for the antics all teenagers play on social networks, but are now defending zimmerman words on my space he wrote as a young man in his twenties.
Trayvon was called thug, gangbanger, hoodlum and worst for typing the words niggas, chilling and posing in his bathroom. But zimmermans comments are from his heart to his "boys", is this how a judges son talk and express himself? A black male would have been derided, cussed out, and made to look like a piese of crap for even thinking about speaking in such a manner in a social media site, and this folks is where the problem lays! Do as I say not as I do.
If I was not told or seen these where zimmermans words I would have thoght they were from some angry young man living a gangbanging lifestyle.
For the poster who threatened " we will open up Trayvons account, well sorry to tell you but it's already been done. If there was anything there to see they would have released it allready like they did with his school record a week after the general public became aware of his death. Damn poeple they have money, their perents are succesful and they stiil are running around talking like a bunch of hoodrats. He was a owner of an insurance agency on top of that'
Something else Trayvon was prepping himself to attend college like his older brother, zimmerman finished highschool and daddy set him up in an insurance agency. That means he coul not stand on his own he had to falll abck on his dad and 18 years later he was no better off to the piont where he had to live around people like Trayvon and his dad, Whonm his supporters say are thugs. Poor zimmerman because of his false heroic intentions he may very well lift Trayvons folks high enough so they won't haave to live around trashy, murdering a##holes.
Outsidelookingin You haven't even seen the worse part of his stuff. They took the @!$%# down from the last year profile he had made. A niggy profile a site had all the stuff online and links, i had read the whole thing and it amazed me. Because I live up here where he came from and we know who his dad is. It was super ghetto and all ebonics, he made it so people wouldnt know it was him on it.
I'm trying my best to find this stuff over again so I can post it here for people to read. All the stuff I heard about trayvon over the past month made him look like a angel compared to zim. Zimmerman with his own words, sounds like a mexican thug. The lawyer even comfirmed it was his account. However, they said you shouldn't use either of these things against him.
The worse thing about this whole thing they keep hiding things and lieing for him. The judge down there thinks his family has no money. I know where they live and have seen their house before, poor people can't afford a house that nice and big. His dad would not even be able to afford living in that area if they had no money at all. That's the thing that shocked me most when I read his accounts. The way he was raised you would never think he would see himself in that light.
His another half is from Peru, a hispanic. Hope that he would write something against KKK which may help his trial.