it seems like every week there's another person going on a rampage and killing several people:-o

YOu can get Renaissance type stuff online, like an armoured knight?

You can buy body armor online easily. You doubt?

lmgtfy.com/?q=where+can+I+buy+body+armor%3F

Trust me, it can be found easier then you might think.

This is what stress does to people.....our society is being stressed to the max with all the crap going on with the economy, jobs, etc. People do crazy things when the stress gets to them and they break....however, with that said, there's NO reason to kill people! This is very sad, especially for someone to shoot a small child! With everything going on in Arizona....makes me a little nervous about even considering going there!!!

Sad tragedy. Not many details about the gunman, but I'd be willing to bet >50% the motive had something to do with sentiment towards the immigration laws and use of illegal weapons/armor that made it across our borders compliments of the cartels. Otherwise, MSN would have been happy to pre-emptively crucify another White Anglo-Saxon Protestant and blame the NRA.

Local news says2 men 2 women and a 2 yr old killed. Police are not looking for a shooter so it must be a murder suicide situation.

I like how there's so much information

Why are all the Crazies coming out of the woodwork. Copy Cat Murderers?

Notice, all use GUNS.---

Snipers--there will be some reason he did this--probably an 'abused background"---or something to do with killing his family--or rampage on others.

That is why people with good checked out backgrounds should be able to self defend themselves---with what?; although most (I contradict) do not know what's coming.

Another sad ending to some very useful lives---

Stress! Well now that LEXAPRO is now in generic form, start handing out to more people. Maybe it will help.

You are right Steven, but that wouldn't support their anti-gun agenda. They include suicides, lawful homicides, etc to drastically exaggerate the issue. AND they decide to leave out the fact that firearm related crime altogether has been decreasing for YEARS and has now been surpassed by poisonings in # of annual deaths. They don't trust the CDC to keep track and report yearly though, its not like its their job or anything.... anyone hear of the National Vital Statistics Report??

You know what's really crazy? Americans shudder at the thought of traveling to Mexico because of all the killings. But, start adding them up in the states. Four here, six there, two at another place. Wow, pretty soon you surpass the number in Mexico. And, you know what? We have no gun nuts in Mexico. It is illegal to own a gun - but you can still get a permit to use your gun to hunt deer, quail, etc. We have no mass shootings at schools. We have no one in body armor. We have no one shooting a number of people at a mall. I live in La Paz. No shootings here in years. Besides, the number of tourists here shot is about one. If you are an American and work for any of the cartels, watch your ass. But, tourists get protection - why would a Mexican shoot the goose that lays the golden egg?

Wish it were summer.

Fubo-1046099

TROLL

Don't feed him heheh

Gabriel 1934044- That would be awesome except the guy lost his health insurance when he lost his job. This will happen more and more because this Great American Society" throws away workers after a certain age and the "system" lets them fester with no unemployment, no jobs, no house , no recourse until the only option is to go "postal". Having been in the same situation for three years now, I for one dont disagree with the actions.

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If we didnt have guns people would just use bombs like in Afganistan, can you name a country that banned guns where there is no criminal orginization with out guns? There isnt one, just like there is no country that has banned marijuana that doesnt have people smoking. (Im for marijuana legalization) and the figure of 30,000 gun deaths a year is ridiculusly inacurate these are numbers retrived form gunpolicy.org 2008-9,484 2007-10,129 2006-10,225 2005-10,158 2004-9,385 2002-9,369 2001-8,890 and have been going down at a steady rate since the early 90s Also 1/3 of murders are done with things other then guns And a HUGE MAJORITY of gun murders occur in the lower half of the USA(population is similar). Lets look at these number in perspective in 2008 14,000 people died from perscription pills almost 5000 more then guns. Last year 11,000 people died from not wearing seat belts. Every year 3,000-4,000 people drown. 4,000-5,000 people die a year at work 30,000 die from obisesity 34,000 die from car accident.. GUNS ARNT THAT BIG OF A DEAL!
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I don't know what everyone is getting so exercised about. People use guns to kill about 30,000 US Citizens a year, mostly women and children. More die violently via other means also. But for gun violence, that's equivalent of an airplane with 150 aboard crashing every couple days. What if our transportation system was like that. Would we ignore it? BTW it is, as previously mentioned, the gun culture. Much of our population is still living the "Westward Ho" rip-snortin" Nineteenth Century.

I hope you were being facetious. Our transportation system IS like that and yes we ignore it. Automobile fatalities is ranked #5 in America. Besides, what could you possibly do, short of installing body scanners in every home, to get guns out of the hands of the mentally ill like this guy? Exactly, nothing! I'll take my chances. I don't want to live as a slave in a communist dictatorship, but thanks :)

Yah, blame the repubs it's all their fault. How about blaming the killer? how about enforcing gun laws? how about judges not handing down pansy a@@ slaps on the wrist to those who commit a violent crime?

Too many of you beading hearts wouldn't want to hurt the rights of criminals, so the judicial system is a joke and no deterrent to crime let alone viloent crime.

Wish I could take my chances with seatbelt laws. Or the helmet one. I honestly don't like the government protecting us from ourselves either. That's not to say I don't believe in some safety checks for bridges and rancid meat or the CDC or stuff like that. But a seatbelt. IF I want to fly out my front windshield on impact thats my business.

look in your own back yards people. Stuff like this just doesn't happen in AZ, it happens everyday in other states, and a whole lot worse. I don't see the vitriol espoused for the other heinous crimes in other states as I've seen here towards the state of AZ when something like this happens . WTF? And FYI, I don't live in AZ.

Great America-3966011 Careful now Jesus had a bleeding heart too! You know being a conservative with those Christian values and all. LMAO

This crazy "its in the constitution" gun culture in America is the biggest joke in the world.

It certainly is. I spend quite a bit of time outside the US and I can tell you what they think of Americans: overweight, ignorant, gun-nuts. Wonder where they got that crazy idea?

Lolly is right I live in a liberal state and some A-hole shot a Sheriff and locksmith for serving eviction notice. We have people lose it here as well.

Who should we blame this time? Mental patients are an all-time favorite. So is the NRA. So is... well, whoever.

And then, we need to hear (again) how "If just one of them thar victims had done had a pistol of his own, he'd of done gunned him down 'ere he done got off a single shot! YEE-HAW"

All of this is getting very, very old....

joeyfromcali, if you knew any bible stories you would know that Jesus was tough on those who deserved it.

Shandril Really Really old first I bet it was bare hands then rocks then spears then arrows then aww yo all get it.

IF I want to fly out my front windshield on impact thats my business.

I agree. As long as you pay your OWN MEDICAL BILLS and don't rely on any government assistance, you can put a loaded gun to your head and pull the trigger for all I care. It's the people that complain about "government interference" and then collect benefits - like Medicare or social security - that I have a problem with.

2009 numbers

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2010/09/14/2009-fbi-murder-statistics-by-state-and-type-of-weapon-used/

Summary:

• Murders total – 13636
• Murders with handguns – 6452 (47.32%)
• Murders with rifles – 348 (2.55%)
• Murders with shotguns – 418 (3.07%)
• Murders with unknown firearms – 1928 (14.14%)
• Murder with knives or cutting instruments – 1825 (13.38%)
• Murders with other weapons – 1864 (13.67%)
• Murders with hands, fists, feet etc.. – 801 (5.87%)

Sorry Tom but the tired old clinches aren't being accepted any longer. The "GUN" did kill those people. sure some nut pulled the trigger. Why did the nut have it ? You have no idea what caused this yet you have an answer.

Keep trying because your first try failed miserably.

Great America-3966011 I know plenty of bible stories I actually can read. In English too at a college level. Actually took some Psychology of religion courses.

Jesus was a pacifist not a punisher and a rebel in his own right. By doing so. He believed to stand his ground and to be firm in that but to always give the benefit of the doubt. Even when on the cross he asked our father (GOD) To forgive them as they know not what they do. I probably can tell you more bible stories than you could tell me.
And yet I see him more as a messenger not the son of GOD or Creator. And I see a vast majority of the so called Christian's acting the very same way that the people who put him on that cross did. Just my experience.

Another experience I had a Pastor tell me once that if GOD was so small to save only one people. That this God would not be his GOD at all. When I asked him what that meant. He told me too go up on a rock or somewhere quiet and ask God to talk then make myself listen.

That changed my life. God is so much bigger than any man can understand.

KB1993 says: "Lxxxx-yyyyyyy, you are officially an ignorant moron. ----- why don't you try figuring out why in the world this seems to be happening in the first place......."

Well, KB, I guess it's because people tend to get really mad at each other -- often for nothing at all -- and then begin to call each other names. After that things sometimes spiral out of control. Perhaps we shouldn't call each other names... Ya think?

Prominent Arizona neo-Nazi J.T. Ready reportedly was among the five people killed in a Gilbert shooting Wednesday afternoon.

According to The Arizona Republic, Ready was the shooter

Great America-3966011

joeyfromcali, if you knew any bible stories you would know that Jesus was tough on those who deserved it.

Beyond chasing the "Wall Street" types and investment bankers out of the temple...want to give us an example of the tough...conservative Christ?

Great America, if you knew the Bible, you would know that Jesus was tough on hypocrites! Everyone else, was forgiven and told to "go and sin no more."

Too many of you beading hearts wouldn't want to hurt the rights of criminals, so the judicial system is a joke and no deterrent to crime let alone viloent crime.

Please learn how to spell. Thank you.

PRECIOUS....PRECIOUS ARIZONA......land of Sunstroke, pink underwear for prison inmates, Guns, drugs, drive through Liquor stores ( HONEST !), a State where fireworks are illegal, but not an AK-47.......ARIZONA, a state where citizens cheered when told that a Democrat congresswoman was gunned down n daylight...

Arizona,...scorpions,rattlesnakes,tarantulas...and that's the citizenry....wackos....

Guns don't kill people, people kill people....

But guns make it a lot easier.

I don't think that making all guns illegal would work-as there are already too many out there. However, common sense laws need to be in place. Eliminating loopholes like online sales is just common sense. Raising the penalties for those with an illegal gun and for those that sell them would also help.

The vast majority of gun owners are sane, law abiding people, however-the laws need to reflect the crazies out there too.

joeyfromcali

Wish I could take my chances with seatbelt laws. Or the helmet one. I honestly don't like the government protecting us from ourselves either. That's not to say I don't believe in some safety checks for bridges and rancid meat or the CDC or stuff like that. But a seatbelt. IF I want to fly out my front windshield on impact thats my business.

Okay, now you are just being extreme. The seat belt law is not just for your protection, but your body flying into my windshield would really put a crimp in my day! Or, your body flung through your windshield lands in the middle of the freeway causing a horrific multi car accident resulting in not only your death but the possible death and injuries to countless others. Does that make some simple sense to you?

Guns alone do not kill anything.....it is people with guns that kill. I am not sure what the answer is in the US but trying to compare gun homicide to motor vehicle accidents is a stretch....except in any of those cases (gun homicides, gun accidents or motor vehicle accidents) where alcohol and drugs are involved.

Putting the blame on stress does not provide any answers.....I don't think that is a legal excuse for murder if it was there would be a lot more people dying as stress is a natural emotion in humans, some just handle it better than others.

But the NRA, Conceal Carry, gun tottin pistoleros and machine gun manhood nuts.....with their gun control = banning all guns attitude and media campaigns don't help either...... suspect they would all change their tune when the gun violence hits their family but who knows.

Why are comments such as the one by bill-1437574 collapsed? Truth hurts?

PLEASE, please, please refrain from stating "guns don't kill people, people do" anymore. Ever. Stop it. People need guns to kill people, especially when they want to kill lots of people so they can get their names in the paper. A hammer just won't do.

And

DaGoose-3357168 states:

" . . . I own several guns (Pistols, Rifles and Shotguns). I was raised around them all my life with them in my family and taught to respect them. I was also raised to respect the BIBLE and believe in GOD. We did away with the BIBLE and GOD and look what happened. No respect for GOD or the BIBLE leads to no respect for human life. The NRA has nothing to do with an idiot behind the trigger. Just like a drunk behind the wheel of a car. Jim Beam is not to blame. The idiot is. "

This may come as a surprise to you, but GOD and the BIBLE have not been done away with. You can pray and read the bible anytime you want. In the 40s and 50s, prayer and bible-reading were more prevalent in public schools and government and look what happened. Respect? You ever read about how minorities and women were treated in this country back then? Respect for poor folks? Ha. Maybe the bible is actually the problem. Oh, no - that's not right. The bible doesn't incite people to hate and kill, IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO READ IT AND TWIST EVERYTHING TO FIT THEIR CURRENT HATRED. Right?

This man was evidently a narcissist, who valued no one and nothing. Why can't these self-centered, self-absorbed morons just go ahead and kill themselves and leave the innocent out of it?

OMFG.... All the hate aimed at guns -- and nobody comments on the fact that a NEO-NAZI wanted to be Sheriff!?!

By the way, all you anti-gun idiots out there, even in countries where private ownership of guns is completely illegal -- THE CRIMINALS STILL MANAGE TO GET GUNS!!!!!!!!!

When faced by a thug pointing a gun at me, I would rather be able to shoot back than have to wait for the cops to show up.

DaveM-877764; I 100% support the right to arm bears (yes, it's a paraphrasing - if you happen to know what paraphrasing is), I own rifles, shotguns, and pistols of various sizes and calibers -- and I AM A "LIBERAL".

Dave, you need to go back under that rock you used to call "home".

Looks like the First Brigade is officially short one member.

I think you guys are passing over one important point. Minuteman Civil Defense Corps

It's the mindset of people who join these reichwing militias that is the dangerous part. Just think about it. Who is it that thinks they have to have a militia to protect us civilians, and from whom, I might ask? Wild Romanians coming over the hill to rape pillage and plunder? No, they are there to kill other Americans whom they disagree with. This nutcase is just one example of many. Probably some of your neighbors.

Yep that toddler should have been able to defend her/himself from a ak47 wielding nazi crazy. Right. At what point will you guys admit you have gone so far overboard that you would rather a mentally ill person get a gun (which they do frequently) then allow any kind of controls over gun use!! Common sense appears to be against many NRA supporters belief systems.

NRA: "guns don't kill people, people kill people, besides, more people die in cars!"

.......AND that may be the case, however, you don't see many people driving into walls intentionally to kill themselves or driving into others intentionally to kill other people, when it does happen, it's usually an accident. So yes, maybe more people die in cars, but they are not using them to intentionally kill other people.

seriously if the terriost goverment, supreme court, FBI wont do anything about arizona and that nazi governer, somethinng needs to be done. im glad that racist killed himself, seriously doesnt all the drama and hate eventully make you want to kill yourself? hating hard work. i cant even even imagine myself being a nazi. i gurentee you its hard work. then you racist republicans are going to sit here jusitfy this. how sick do you have to be to kill a toddler? what can a toddler of done? this is getting ridiculous in arizona now.

Body Armor, being a Nazi he probably got it from a cartel member. They should have plenty to spare. From the pictures I have seen, it appears they get it from the Mexican government who most likely got them from the U.S. government.

Alaska girl. the seat belt laws and helmet laws aren't for your protection. Seat belt laws are for the protection of everyone in your car as well as all others nearby. Have you ever seen someones head that has been smashed by the head of someone not wearing a seat belt. Seat belts save money and lives. Helmets save money. I would like to see a law that is you are not wearing a seat belt or helmet, the financial responsibility is all yours.

I would like to see a break down of all the people doing these murders. I bet that around 99.9% of them were committed by gangs members, followed by people like this or Insane people like the Gifford shooter. By the way no one cheered at her shooting. She was one of the "good" democrats. I understand she was a "gun" carrying pro 2nd Amendment person.

Over 1/3 of the adult population in this country are law abiding "gun" owners. The militia referred to in the 2nd Amendment. If we were as bad as the Anti-"gun" crowd says, there wouldn't any anti- gunners. Society is safer when criminals do not know who is armed.

One less Teabagger vote. How many more victims of teabaggers will there be?

That's one hell of a deer rifle that guy's got. He can kill a whole herd in 10-15 seconds. That gun is for deer hunting, isn't it?

Actually you do see people committing vehicular homicide JUST A DAD, more and more. The people that don't have guns have been committing suicide by cop.

People in Chicago Heights had no guns prior to 2009. The home invasion rate was off the charts and people were literally afraid in their own homes because there was a total gun ban.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/28/chicago-gun-ban-axed-afte_n_627773.html

People were subject to random shootings, home invasions, assaults with deadly weapons, car jackings, muggings by armed criminals because the criminals have an easy time getting their hands on any gun they want. Do we really want to be imprisoned by criminals so well armed even the police are afraid to patrol the neighborhood? Seriously?

"J. T. Ready, a self-proclaimed neo-Nazi, was among five dead at a shooting at a home in Gilbert, Arizona. He was running for Pinal County Sheriff."

And, the idiots want more guns--paranoid pitiful lives are filled with guns that, far too often, leads to violence towards others.

Sure makes ya wish the framers of the Constitution had thought about a well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state, doesn't it?

rightwing extreme

Just so you know, no one has even been trying to take your toys away from you but I will tell you this, in the end, you will have your guns taken away and when you do, they will either be putting you in jail and stripping you of your rights for some heinous crime you've committed ot you will be killed while you go schizo nutso just like so many other nutcases such as yourself is doing crawling out of the rotten tree stumps lately.

To the OP:

Body armor isn't that hard to find ... fortunately for our troops. When we first got involved in southwest Asia, families were buying the stuff and sending it to the soldiers!

Arizona, #5 in gun deaths per capita... with a bullet. Alaska, Louisiana, Wyoming, 2 3 and 4 DC #1

Looks like the face of the tea bagger party. What a bunch of losers.

Tom, Aussi Yank et al,

I personally don't give a crap how many penile extensions you require. It was a fight we moderates and progressives fought and lost in the 70s and 80s. Some folks just like things that go bang and enjoy killing. It is an inarguable premise that gun ownership does not make one more likely to kill or engage in violent crime. For Christ's sake read any statistical abstract on violent crime and gun ownership world wide and violent crime rates are directly related to the availability of guns. If you have a gun in your home you have a 2.7 x greater chance of being murdered. If you have a teenager they have a 10x greater chance of committing suicide.

I couldn't care less if you blow your nuts off but contending guns don't kill people is flat out stupid. If this schmuck had to murder with a rock or baseball bat you can bet there would be a few less dead people in Arizona.

jkh

Dont Overlook,

10tacle: Did Obama and Holder hand out body armor now in Fast & Furious II to coincide with their free gun giveaway too?

No, the nutcase (R) Gov was too busy hunting Latinos, stamping on civil rights, and basically cackling gibberish to anyone tat would listen

It is funny to me that you think that we (USA) would give two shi*s about the civil rights of someone that breaks our laws to come here, than such our system dry. It is the responsibility of the Federal Government to to secure our borders but since they can't seem to do anything except to spend. So that is why these governor's have too take this into there own hands because of the Feds not doing there job. So get over it. Guns will always be legal even if they outlawed them do you really think that everyone (you call a gun nut) would just hand over there guns no questions asked, get a clue.

Trust_verify;

And yet car crashes killed 32,884 in 2011 alone, since 1965 cars crashes have killed 596,997 people. So where is the righteous indignation and calls to ban the automobile, Hmmmm? These number don't take into account pedestrians or bicyclists, struck by cars, Trucks or buses and the pedestrians that they sometimes hit, the car remains the number 1 killer of Americans each year and all the small minded can fix on is guns. Actually guns come in behind cars, household accidents, accidental drownings, and accidental poisoning. So where all the outrage about the other causes? Oh yeah, not politically expedient and too difficult to get simple minded people worked up about.

Here's a novel idea, let's let the police figure out what happened here. All you anti-gun, OWS'ers throw on a fresh pair of panties and git a grip. Clearly, there is no concrete explanation yet. They, the police or any of us, knows what happened here. And the media sure as hell has no idea, just more sensationalism, as usual, And the SPLC are you joking? These idiots say if you home school your kid, your a potential terrorist, cultist, supremacist, separatist or any other "ist" they can use the vilify people who don't accept their particular cultist mind set. But then some people will follow any fool (SPLC) over the cliff, like lemmings. And yes I would say this to Morris Seligman Dees Jr's. face or that of his partner in civil disinformation Joseph J Levin, Jr. These guys are "experts" on terror group because they run one. The SPLC,,,,, Christ on Friday, some people simple won't see the truth when it is right in their face.

and their stress is brought on by an inadequate preparation to live life. parents/caregivers have a responsibility to help a child find:

a realistic view of what this culture is and isn't. it's loaded with opportunity and a multiplicity of ways to succeed and define success. it has pitfalls but they are rarely insurmountable with a positive attitude. watch for them but be prepared to aviod them or find ways around them.

an education, a preparation, a skill, a value.

an embrace of effort, to see the connection between effort and success.

if you meet failure, find your role in it, don't look too hard or long for others role and most important: keep trying.

that postponing gratification does little harm.

that savoring gratification when achieved is fine.

a belief in yourself, well short of arrogance.

that the more effort something requires, it's completion is that much sweeter. that shortcuts usually aren't.

the sweetness of life is more likely to come later than sooner. but it usually does come.

the value of relationships, dependability and dependance.

the role of kindness, AND the right to not be taken advantage of.

balance. excess is ok, in moderation.

if spirituality resonates, pursue it and see if it enriches.

i'll wager this guy missed most of this.

guns dont kill people. well neither do chemical agents, missiles and bombs.

what im asking myself is, when is big government going to get out of the way and let everyone have as many of those as they could possibly buy??

I do not like guns. I will not have one in my house and I know where to get body armor. What is needed is stricter licencing laws to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have access to them and different levels of laws to keep things like semi automatic weapons away from people who shouldn't have them. Semis are only good for one thing and that's to bring down another person.

I've had guns since I was 8, I'm now 65. I never supported the NRA, I really don't like them, but maybe their right to arm everybody, that way one of these days there will a big shootout and after the smoke clears all the gun nuts, neo-nazis, and the militia morons will have killed each other off. Then after all the funerals are over, maybe we will have a country way less violent and quite possibly nearly normal!!

Rhetorical question to the anti-gunners: With all of these crazy fools running around with their guns they sure as hell wouldn't give up, even if "required" to, why would I give up mine with which I would protect myself and my family with?

BTW - Keep in mind that numerous court proceedings have stated that it is NOT the cops or LEOs job or duty to protect the citizenry of this country. According to all legal precedent, it is YOUR responsibility to protect yourself...

March 23, 2007 by Marko Kloos
Why the Gun IS Civilization.

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that’s it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.

When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force. The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single gay guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we’d be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger’s potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat–it has no validity when most of a mugger’s potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that’s the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there’s the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don’t constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level. The gun is the only weapon that’s as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weightlifter. It simply wouldn’t work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn’t both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don’t do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I’m looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don’t carry it because I’m afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn’t limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation…and that’s why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

AZ in a fishbowl... thankfully, only 4 others lost their lives to stop this republiwhack. Hey AZ, time to buy a clue! Extremists are not good for a progressive society like the United States(regardless of your political affiliation the US is progressive)... and your backyard is full of them. Stop the rhetoric, stop the vitriol and stop the violence.

Yah [sic], blame the repubs [sic] it's all their fault.

Okay, I will. If the republicans weren't afraid of everything that lurked around every corner, they wouldn't be killing everyone.

How about blaming the killer?

I do blame the killer. I bet he turns out to be a racist, GOP, freak.

how about enforcing gun laws? how about judges not handing down pansy a@@ slaps on the wrist to those who commit a violent crime?

How about we stop the crime before someone is dead?

Too many of you beading hearts wouldn't want to hurt the rights of criminals, so the judicial system is a joke and no deterrent to crime let alone viloent [sic] crime.

I have no idea what a, "beading heart," is, but every one of these people seems to be a law abiding citizen, until the pull the trigger. The comon factor is that they have a trigger to pull. Yeah, the system is a joke, in that the NRA has more power then the LAW.

With any luck, the GOP will all just shoot each other, and solve our problem for us.

The silver lining is that there is one less racist, GOP, freak to make Arizona look stupid in the general election.

@ sam adams post #1.52

Social Security a benefit? Maybe to the ILLEGAL aliens. I have payed into it with my own hard earned money over 1 and a half million dollars. And you have the stupidity to insinuate the federal government is gracious to hopefully give back a nickel to the dollar if anything of my own money??? MAN! I wish you MSNBC loons would think before you make such a**es of yourselves...

Lady Cat, gun enforcement laws DO NOT take the guns out of the hands of criminals. Most of these guns are stolen, imported illegally, made from surplus parts by criminals, bought on the black market and hijacked from military or law enforcement shipments from someone connected.

Every single year the criminals become better armed, trained, funded and motivated because every year one state full of people like most here come to some epiphany that stricter control among law abiding citizens is whats necessary. Get a clue, if you want to live in fear of people who mean you harm that have guns when you cannot defend your home, family and community you will wonder how this happened.

@ Mr. love theCavalier. How does the world really look like from a view up your rectum? As long as there is geniuses like you and so many of the others on these intelligent pages of MSNBC. Nothing will ever get better. Blaming the tool used (the gun) is like blaming the spoon for your fat A**! You ignoramus liberals created this sick society. Now deal with it!

@riley, where do you live? If you live in fear then you need to move! I live within a gang boundary, and while I live with the irritations that most inner city citizens deal with, I do not fear my neighbors. Like I said, if I did I would move. Bak, bak, bak, B'gak!

Just prime example of what hate does. Wonder where Neo Nazi's end up when dead? I may be a dreamer. But I wish for the day when all Nationalities and races can respect one another. So tell me again how there is no reason to suspect racism exists.

@and the horse you rode in on...do you have an ironic sense of humor, or are you a dumb$#t who slings mud and then admonishes others not to follow your lead???

Why does him wearing "body armor" rate a headline if he had already killed himself when the police arrived? Armored gunman? Armored against what, the two year old child he kiled? What does that have to do with the story that he's a neo-Nazi and murdered people? If he'd been wearing a Tutu, would the headline have been "Ballet gunman, 4 people dead?" Okay, maybe.

Considering how many people are crammed into that Phoenix valley and all of its surrounding cities - I'd say Arizona doesn't really have more of these incidents than other large population areas. I remember going to Rockford, Ill 20 years ago and they had 7 shootings in one week.

Many of the above posts sound just like the description of this nut - why would we trust anything they say, when they can name 10 things they hate, in one short post? We should be working together trying to find solutions - not defending systems that currently don't work... we are better than this (but then again maybe not).

Gov. Jan Brewer... your State has a problem... and you are part of the problem... however, that can be fixed in November.

they probably collapsed my above post because I'm correct again, i always try to make a good point. as for those who don't like guns that's only your own problem not the rest of ours to deal with or pay for with loss of our rights and it has been proved that criminals will break the laws because that's what they do so making more laws only affects us the law abiding citizens not them the criminals and the only thing that can keep a criminal out of your home is the possibility that you are armed with a weapon of some kind that can and will kill them. the only thing that will control a criminal is fear because that's the only thing they understand because they use it themselves. try to control weapons and they will likely end up being used on you instead of being controlled because it is their right to have them for protection(especially from those whom wish to disarm them to begin with). ps change can be good but is usually bad if it's forced.

Einstein - this is for you, from an "ignoramous liberal". Here is your original post #1.98.

Einstein-3156002

@ sam adams post #1.52

Social Security a benefit? Maybe to the ILLEGAL aliens. I have payed into it with my own hard earned money over 1 and a half million dollars. And you have the stupidity to insinuate the federal government is gracious to hopefully give back a nickel to the dollar if anything of my own money??? MAN! I wish you MSNBC loons would think before you make such a**es of yourselves...

The wage base is higher than it's ever been, and is currently $106,108. The Social Security portion of your FICA is 6.2%. That means your annual payments to Social Security are capped at $6621.60 no matter what you earn. At that rate of annual Social Security contributions, it took you over 226 years of working to contribute the $1.5 million you claim you paid in.

Maybe you should change your screen name.

This is such a tragedy, that these people lost their lives at the hands of this deranged man. All the debates in the world will not bring back the 2 year old and the rest who lost their lives! Our society, wants to blame anyone they think is responsible and in this case it includes the gun. While I admit the gun killed, it was the person that pulled the trigger at fault..the gun would not have killed without someone using it.

AS far as this news story...it shows why nationalism is a mental disorder, and that it often leads to racism. Statism is also a mental disroder, that is often caused by nationalism...hence nation-states.

He was a neo-nationalist socialist (neo-NAZI), and if you've ever had any contact with these loons, you'd know that's why they're obsessed with the borders...nationalism above all else, and racism as a secondary reason. Both are mental problems.

My clue for the right wing: You cannot be for free markets and simultaneously for closed borders. The two are antithetical. Friedman was proved wrong with data that you CAN in fact have open borders in a welfare state. Hoppe was wrong about valuations being placed in individual immigrants by their skills. Google was founded by a child of two poverty stricken immigrants.

BTW, I'm not a left-winger, I'm a for free markets and smaller government than you (I'm a libertarian). So O'm not lecturing you...I'm just pointing out the flaws in your neocon logic. Shed the mental diseases of statism and nationalism...you've been brainwashed all your life to be a nationalist.

The same (of nationalism) is true on the left...just on different issues. Flags, oaths, pledges, and any other acts of group submisssion to the state ARE nationalism, a pseudo-religion where rituals and symbols make a god of the state.

time for a wall around Arizona

they probably collapsed my above post because I'm correct again, i always try to make a good point. as for those who don't like guns that's only your own problem not the rest of ours to deal with or pay for with loss of our rights and it has been proved that criminals will break the laws because that's what they do so making more laws only affects us the law abiding citizens not them the criminals and the only thing that can keep a criminal out of your home is the possibility that you are armed with a weapon of some kind that can and will kill them. the only thing that will control a criminal is fear because that's the only thing they understand because they use it themselves. try to control weapons and they will likely end up being used on you instead of being controlled because it is their right to have them for protection(especially from those whom wish to disarm them to begin with).

I think they collapsed your post because you don't know the meaning of the word punctuation.

I would entreat anyone with an education higher than 6th grade to have a look at the posts by these gun toting fools. They are clearly an illiterate, ill-informed lot. Perhaps if they wasted a bit more time on simple reading, writing and arithmetic, the idea that they don't need to have a gun to get their point across might sink in to those thick skulls.

eh, probably not.

What's with Arizona? The gun and kook magnet of all the states. Jan Brewer should be proud. Of course, she is the walking dead and the biggest kook of all. Good job attracting the freaks Jan. Keep them all together in one spot I guess and let them shoot it out.

A neo-NAZI member of the Minutemen group, no wonder they call this group vigilantes, If he did this to his own people, I wonder how many illegal immigrant women and children he killed in the desert through the years. The word NAZI associated to the Minutemen, Paul Revere must be rolling over in his grave.

@uchusky99

No, the laws that already exist need to be enforced. And what is with the online sales? You clearly dont understand how the system woks. Yes, you can buy a gun online, but it doesnt ship directly to you. It gets shipped to your local gun store where you go to have your background check done and pay a nominal fee. No different than buying a gun right off the shelf.

Deborah Cox
Why are comments such as the one by bill-1437574 collapsed? Truth hurts?

Because what he said is not true, and he finished it off with a stupid remark.

hey mj-1451595 and that's another point lets see you punctuate clearly at the crack of dawn you libs always try using punctuation as an excuse to bash us legal law abiding gun owners because you've got nothing else intelligent to say and its also dishonorable because there's people out there who are dyslexic, also for someone trying to be a grammar Nazi you forgot rule #1 cite errors and even then no one cares what you have to say regarding proper punctuation because we aren't the ones writing the articles. PS i own a gun to keep my property/person safe and to hunt and to go out and target shoot for self amusement. i bet it burns you up inside that i went out the other day and practiced with 500 rounds in my 45acp pistole and have never had an accident(that's right a big scary ol handgun that cowards like you fear and probably because your a closet criminal). the only other people who care about what you typed is other grammar Nazis. i do believe I've made my point!? to the moderator: recommend start collapsing peoples comments or block them when they stoop as low as to insult someones spelling as it does violate the code of honor.

Okay, what the hell. Why was my comment "collapsed by the community"? And who the hell is the community anyway? I thought it was clever and to the point, with a bit of biting satire. Others must have liked it too because it got 33 votes. Oh well, here it is again just in case you don't agree with "the community".

"You know what's wrong with this country? I'll tell you what's wrong with this country. Not enough armed toddlers. That's what's wrong with this country. If we could put a weapon in the hands of every toddler, this kind of thing could not happen!"

Wayne Lapierre ~ NRA

@ Dantheman, That is in Washington DC...

nucking futs! i saw this guy on youtube two days ago and didnt have a good feeling about him.

Armed Citizen Militia Shows Up At Occupy Phoenix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vplwUROCAFY

elliot,

Who belongs to these milita? Trigger happy wannbe killers? Well, looks like this one got his chance. At least he seems to have taken his own sorry asss out too.

Also, like it or not, guys, but the reason the constitution guarantees our right to have "arms" is the history of being occupied and oppressed by the British Govt. They firmly believed that if a govt. oppressed it's citizens (quite a common occurrence in human history, isn't it?) then the citizens should be able to defend themselves or mount armed insurrections against said govt. Just the way it is. Now were they wrong in their thinking? Methinks not. If you can really truly trust with your life to have the only armed entity around to be your govt then methinks you be very naive. One of the first things a paranoid govt does is to round up the arms. And they're usually paranoid because they know they're screwing their people over.

And really, "arms" should include tanks, mortars, whatever.

And you could also say that an armed society is a more polite society. Back in the days of deuling one was a little more hesitant to call someone a Mother F......

Just trying to keep the other side of this argument cleared up some.

Methinks you are thinking in outerspace... captain. Have you not been paying attention to the wars that have been fought by the US military in the middle east? Forget the drones, the airstrikes, the satelite intelligence, you and your 30/0/6 or your 9mm or UZI semi-automatic are out gunned, out run, out fought, out thought, out smarted, and just plain outed by the US military. It's no longer 1776 jacka$$. Militia's are obsolete along with your right to bear arms - second amendment.. you just haven't figured it out yet.

Me thinks you and the horse you rode in on ought to GTFO. Its not the military and the federal government being armed to the teeth people are wanting protection from. Criminal enterprises, street gangs, organized theft rings, carjackers, bandits, thieves, school shooters, mentally unstable gunman are just a few of the people that are well armed...why wouldnt you be unless you are just insane?

People in Chicago Heights were gunned down at the rate of 3 per day because there was a gun ban in Chicago proper. Once that law was overturned and the citizens became legally armed, peace reigned and the crime rate dropped like a stone. Its not rocket science.....

Sure Riley, whatever you say. BTW, the 2nd amendment doesn't grant protection from shooting fellow citizens as George "Shooterman" will soon discover. The "people" are aligned with "the law" as in "the people of Florida" vs. George "shooterman" Zimmerman or "the people of Arizona" vs. J. T. Ready and the law is the standard for fighting crime, not a vigilante citizenry.

When sometime breaks into my home and tries to shoot everyone in it so they can take what they came for, where is the law then genius? This happened to my neighbor and out of a family of 4, only 2 survived. In my neighborhood it takes the police 30 minutes to respond if they are not encumbered.

Move? Moving costs money that many Americans can ill afford if they are even gainfully employed in this economy. That was your well thought out recommendation? Please...

You cite 2 examples out of the tens of thousands of confrontations that have happened between home or property owner and criminals? Laughable at best. I would rather insure that my family is alive after a violent invasion of my home then stand around filling out a police report and visiting the morgue to ID the bodies.

horserider in the sky dude,

So tell me, since our military can outgun anyone in the world, why are the Taliban still kickin' around? As for spaceydude, I'd really hate to see tanks parked in some of my neighbor's yards. Or some kid zeroing in from his back yard to that bully's house with his mortar, haha. MSNBC would be getting plenty to write about.

This guy was the "Darling" of the Arizona GOP.

To the one that said it's the internet you can buy anything?????????????? are you that dense really?????????????? Where can I get some stupid repellant, it's obviously needed here.

http://www.iamlost.com/features/stupid/

Dont know but i do know guns are.

Yep. If everyone had been armed this wouldn't have happened... Oh wait, even that argument is BS.

nothing about owning body armor is illegal...unless you live in California.

Troll. I've killed less people than teddy kennedy's car.

The gun culture is out of control, and this is from a gun owner. I suspect the only way to get a grip is to enforce draconian punishments to anyone using a gun in the commission of another crime. When I say draconian, I MEAN draconian.

Is anything legal in California?

yes

Trouble10 - Paying taxes, paying a LOT of taxes. That old geezer in the Governor's office thinks we're all rich.

marijuana is legal in CA .......... to a point.

California SUX! the only thing legal are illegals!

horngreen,

That's a damm good question, do we have a right to body armour? Nah, that would make sense!

I don't understand why he would protect himself with body armor and then shot himself.

If he wanted (or planned) to die why didn't he leave the body armor at home?

@gordona: as disgusting as it sounds, he may have wanted to be sure he killed the people he set out to, before someone else shot him

There are still only 4,489,894 people that own guns that have not killed anyone.

There's no such thing as a bad gun. A gun in the hands of a bad person is a dangerous thing. A gun in the hands of a good person is a danger to no one except the bad guy.

A gun in the hands of a good person is a danger to no one except the bad guy.

One flaw. Many recent shootings have been committed by seemingly "good people" who lose it for one reason or another. Domestic violence seems to be high on that list.

So by your theory as soon as the commit the crime, they are instantly "bad people"? Sorry to say but gun crime is not only committed by the criminal element. In fact a significant percentage is committed by persons know to the victim.

The trick is knowing who will flip out and commit these acts. No one knows.

Soft Body armor, also known as a bullet proof vest, is legal to own/posses/ wear by civilians in California. it is only unlawful for a person convicted of a viloent felony to have one. Walk into any quality gun store in that state and you could purchase a vest that is capable of stopping a .44 for about $350.

Scalzo -- The reality is that someone intent on committing murder will find a way to do it. Guns are just more efficient so the body count can go higher faster.

Whateves blaise the truth hurts 8) and I live in this @!$%# hole called commiefornia.

I think maybe if the illegal aliens douche bags went through the process I had to go through to become a citizen I wouldn't be so hard on these piece of @!$%#s.

Ohh and Pot is legal if you got your med card like half the population 8p The only good thing going for Cali is that 8) and dumbo has been busting are balls since Oct 11 raiding and making everyone's lives miserable he is a political lying asshat.

He swore back in 08 I will leave the pot shops alone as long as they follow state law hmmm lying POS.

Big al - Move to Arizona....

He wore armour to protect himself from the toddler.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/?_nkw=bullet%20proof%20vest&clk_rvr_id=338622613699

And yes it is legal to wear body armor in California. Stop listening to people who have no clue. Please feel free to leave or stay out of California if it is (was) so bad for you. I happen to love it here. And why would you think that a Spanish named state would have no Mexicans they have always been here. Learn some history. You sound like the shooter. Big Al-369306

Only violent Felons under the sections below cant have it. Just like they are not supposed to have a gun. Or a knife longer than 4 1/2 inches as well. In public for the knife. Pocket or concealed.

(e) For purposes of this section only, "violent felony" refers to the specific crimes listed in subdivision (c) of Section 667.5, and to crimes defined under the applicable laws of the United States or any other state, government, or country that are reasonably equivalent to the crimes listed in subdivision (c) of Section 667.5.

Source(s):

California Penal Code Section 12370. (a)

For those that think they can protect themselves from the government, this is usually the outcome (link below). Most militias and "gun nuts" are more talk and fizzle. As any good soldier knows wanton killing is easy when others are unarmed. However, training and discipline make you willing to die when faced with another armed force. Most militias and gun nuts don't cut the muster.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/republic/republic6.html

Oh I forgot. This is what it sounds like:

http://www.cnn.com/us/9705/03/texas.standoff/mayday.34.wav

Thanks for letting me know Joey we have Hispanics here in Cali I forgot.... I married one and she hates Illegals all the same. I have nothing against Mexicans since I married one and guess what they all came here LEGALLY & hate Illegals with a passion but I guess they are racists because of that...

I suffered for 7 years before I got my Naturalization Papers SO CAN THEY. I sound nothing like this Nazi Scumbag who is the lowest form of human waste (Nazi)

Not the Democratic Party - the Tea Party.

Well obviously from conservativesaremostlyidiotic.com.

Hey @angryguy, are you always such a big @!$%# or only when you trolling to make you sound like one?

AngryGuy that's the problem ANGRY PEOPLE with GUNS!

Nope they need idiot control just like the rest of the 57 or is it 58 states.

Bobby ; I like the way you think.

Ask Obama to send in the Corpsemen. They can take care of Arizona and all the other 57 states.

Beats that candidate from Texas who couldn't remember the three parts of his own platform.

I'm a strict constitutionalists. We must look at the forefathers intent not the actual words. In the case at hand I believe everyone should have the right to own a black powder musket come hell of high water.

Oh Really? I guess my copy is missing the part where it describes the kind of "Arms"

Or he was standing his ground.

Ha! Nice ;)

If it's that "unclear", than I guess that all of the five dead must have been wearing body armor, huh?!

OTOH, if it's that "unclear", than....lol!!....maybe someone stole the body armor off the assailant after he died? :)

I'm soooOOOOOoooo confused!!! lol!!

Well, there is the update. The guy killed himself.

The guy killed himself.

If they have a stand your ground law, then I guess he killed himself in self-defense

Stateofawareness... quoted and said-

The shooting has left five dead, according to azcentral.com, although it is unclear whether the gunman is among the dead. Police said they are not seeking a suspect.

"Odds are, if they are not seeking a suspect then it's safe to assume that they took the suspect out and is among the dead until more information is shared."

Well.. Considering it says the gunman is among the dead... Wow.. you really are aware. (sarcasm)

Justreading

Hey genious, understand that what I wrote was written before they updated information. So to throw your words back at you, "Wow....you really are aware." Try reading all comments and compare times to the article before you try to act like you know what is going on.

Doug-950479

If they have a stand your ground law, then I guess he killed himself in self-defense

He did the cowardly thing. Just like his fascist predecessors in Nazi Germany did.

State of Awareness.... You can say what you want about my intelligence... Coming from you it means nothing.
It is people like you that think it is safe to ASSUME based anything based on incomplete facts that creat the "judged in the press" mentality that happens these days...
And maybe it is just because I am 3 miles from where it happened, but I knew the gunman was dead modre than three hours before the article, so I find it difficult to believe that you "update" is ligit... But whatever makes you rest easier at night...
(By the way, I DO read the comments and times and you seem to be the only person that missed it.)
I certainly hope you can move on from this trauma though, and move on with life.

not as bad as Illinois where carrying a handgun is a crime if you do not possess a Firearm's Owner Identification (FOID)

and Illinois accounts for 76% of all Murders committed with firearms in 2009.

and Illinois accounts for 76% of all Murders committed with firearms in 2009.

Ten seconds on Google proved this to be a complete lie. Why would you even type anything so stupid?

Same with Cali tons of gun laws and they do nothing except piss off citizens and the criminals just laugh.

Stupid Politicians

Chii2,

Although I don't have time to challenge you, I do have to say I doubt the veracity of your claim. One state accounts for 76%?

I just don't think so. Do you have any references?

I do have reference, how else would I state statistical numbers...too bad the comments doesnt support a references section

FBI was the source of the states stated in this article:



and for some reason this comments section will not allow URL posts

"

Arizona Ranks 15th in Number of Handgun Murders"

JTM-890765

Apparently you do not know how to search by keywords.

Yes JTM-890765, 73% of all of the statistics stated here are just made up.

Chii2,

I went to fbi.gov and found that in 2009, there were 360 murders by handgun in Illinois. Meanwhile, in Texas, there were 661. Even if those were the only two states where anybody was murdered with a handgun, your statistic is clearly impossible.

www2 dot fbi dot gov slash ucr slash cius2009 slash data slash table_20 dot html

JackBNimble1
Unfortunately Arizona has become a 'people' hunting ground. Kinda goes with the territory, I'd say.

Weekend of violence claims 10 shooting victims across Chicago
(Tribune illustration )March 19, 2012|By Liam Ford, Peter Nickeas and Rosemary Sobol | Tribune reporters

At least 10 people were killed, including a 6-year-old girl, in shootings over the weekend in Chicago.

The slain were among at least 49 people wounded in shootings from 5 p.m. Friday to 6 a.m. Monday, according to information compiled by the Chicago Tribune.

You were saying? Wasn't it just last summer that Congressman Rush wanted the National Guard called up to curb viloence in Chicago?

It's crazy EVERYWHERE! Go to AZ! See the Grand Canyon or take the Verde CAnyon dinner train thru there! AZ is a great state! You want crazy, come to California! HA!

Thank god you won't be coming. We don't need anyone named Sally Sue visiting here, especially during the fall. Sounds like Alabama may be more your style.

I lived in Phoenix for a couple years. Loved the place! There are crimes of violence committed everyday nearly every where. I used go to a barbecue place in Fair Park, Dallas...but I wouldn't go there at night. I've been in Emperor Bloomberg's NY city but wouldn't go again. Try parts of LA or Oakland. Being retired I no longer have to go to places which raise the hair on my neck! So make a plan, go to Arizona and enjoy yourself!

You would be far safer visiting a city, and more likely find fun things to do. Frankly, New Orleans, Chicago, New York or Los Angeles are far safer per capita and a damn sight prettier. Visit museums that feature fine art, not dead outlaws.

Arizona is home for snakes, scorpoins and armed heavy drinkers. Stay away.

Lol Sally I agree come to Commiefornia.

We are super broke and would love to suck some of your cash to help pay for sweet heart pensions. I think heading on over to City of LA you have a great chance at getting shot we have only 188 homicides so far this year.

lol Chicago really? couldn't pay me to visit that @!$%# storm.

Being from Seattle, I saw a post the other day about keeping the loonies here and not letting them out after that nutbag killed his wife n daughter n holed up in a man-made bunker full of guns. Its not the geography, its the gun facts. Fact---30,000+ a year gun deaths in America! Fact---70 or less each year in England! The rest of the world except So Africa has gun control and similar small numbers. It is plain common sense to realize that without the tool the job isn't done. Wake up gun lovers. Owning one "FOR PROTECTION" shows paranoia to start with. Add a little fear of losing it and who needs an out of control paranoid nut case like this one running around. Well the gunlovers obviously do because it happens time and time again and they defend it. I for one look at the world and feel embarrassed by our gun culture....By the way I'm a 2 Purple heart Viet-nam vet. Saw what having a gun will do to some people and was very disturbed by the results!

Well you are free to your opinion

We are what we are Americans for the most part we love our guns. It's what made America Free.

Without guns we would be eating crumpets for breakfast and sipping earl grey 8p

your a small minority and that's wonderful.

And the laws were written when it took three minutes to re-load your 2d shot! The crumpet thing was 300 years ago and we're still afraid of the invasion??? That reasoning has been going on for the last 70 years and it hasn't happened yet. When and if it does happen, I guarrantee an AK or a pistola wont be of any use.

In reply to other statements about the many illegals...The President of Mexico has put forth a referendum to move the capitol to Los Angeles..Said he wanted to be closer to his people...

I enjoy recreational shooting on the weekends with my family and friends we do it all the time some are active duty 8)

I have had to depend on my firearm 3 times in my life & it saved my ass otherwise I would not be here today to type this comment.

It's small arms and ied's that are causing trouble in @!$%#canistan & my brother who is currently serving his 3rd tour there tells me it's rough but he enjoys protecting us back at home from stupid ass morons who still think they are in 12th century AD.

you wouldn't want to visit AZ anyways unless you can read and speak Spanish fluently.

You don't want to come to Arizona in October, it's still too damn hot! At least in the southern part of the State. Incidentally, to those who love to bad mouth Arizona about "Everything", ......been here 45 Years and I ain't dead yet!!

@skatdacheif, have you considered that England only has 70 gun deaths per yr, much less than the U.S., because THEY ARE A FRICKKIN ISLAND! You win the prize for retarded post of the day.

I guess this is the Militia our Founding Fathers were referring to in the 2nd AMendment, right ?

Terri, violence is also bred by people who have become radicalized by extremist politics. Just sayin....

Actually - there is a negative correlation between crime and the economy. Political violence - that's another issue.

This has George Soros and his gun grabbing elitists written all over it. He is mad at Sheriff Joe for exposing his minion Obama as being a fraud and putting a kink in his NWO plans. I hope we get some more honest reporting on this story soon, if that can happen.

worn out, it's the Koch brothers who have bought out the entire state of Arizona and control it with their NRA minions.

jackbnumb..are you for real? Ones IQ must, at minimum, equal your height in inches to post here.

Hey Wornout, did you really mean to say

"This has George Soros and his gun grabbing elitists written all over it. He is mad at Sheriff Joe for exposing his minion Obama as being a fraud and putting a kink in his NWO plans. I hope we get some more honest reporting on this story soon, if that can happen."

That is the most ignorant lie I have ever heard, even from an old troll like you.

"gun grabbing elitists"??? Based on WHAT? You have branded yourself an idiot.

Nazi Scum is all I see 8( we need to eradicate all Nazi's from the USofA.

RIP to the victims

Well sick and tired, open your eyes. Call me an idiot all you want, Some day you will need one of your gun toting neighbors to save your ass. You are a brainwashed slave. You probably voted for Obama didn't you.

Sic and tired. Don't read much do you? George Soros was the person who financed Rebecca Peters. She was the person behind the Australian governments stealing all the guns from its subjects. He also backed her when she was trying to get the U. N. to do it the world, us in-particular.

Then you have N. Y. Mayor Bloomberg and his billions attacking gun owners everywhere. He doesn't have to worry about carrying a "gun". He can hire as many mercenaries as he wants.

Then you have the "Brady Bunch" with all of their millionaire and/or billionaire backers.

Everyone I know in other countries are envious because we are still somewhat free to defend ourselves. I just read a report the England is the most violent country around now. Look it up on your search engine.

Only people who need more sense are most of the people posting here. No one has a clue what happened other than the most general terms but that is not stopping the blame game from going on.

No! This is far more fun!!! HA!

not for left-wing people who like to jump toward conclusions.

No. But if guns didnt exist it would be hard to shoot people with them wouldnt it?

wake up

Or if people didn't exist...

If guns didn't exist...that would make all of the Native Americans happy. Why? Because there wouldn't be any white people here with muskets back in the early 1600s

chitown however noble you thoughts may be, you do realize how hopelessly useless your statement is. You can not uninvent the gun. Besides I seem to remember enough of my history, that when no one had guns, people were still able to kill one another occasionally.

I really do not want to be insulting, comments like yours really feed into the real gun nuts narrative more than trying to get some sort of reasonable control over the weapons available.

If you seriously think that guns can be wiped off the planet or out of the country you are an idiot. besides, say you ban guns. You gonna start banning cars when people start driving into crowds? You can find directions to make explosives out of homemade cleaners on the internet, well we better get rid of those too. Wake up.

If there weren't any cars, trains, planes, bars and cigarettes a lot less people would die also. Hell, let's ban them ALL.

I think we should ban humanity!!! This way there would be NO MORE VIOLENCE!!! CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!?!?!

JesusJones

I agree with you. Would be nice IF everyone could get along and play nice. Be nice to have a WORLD WIDE party with everyone having a good time. But even when there were but two here on the face of the earth there were problem, and its all HER FAULT :-) Guess we are doomed.

No. But if guns didnt exist it would be hard to shoot people with them wouldnt it?

Then it would be something else you stupid dolt. You think murder is some new phenomenon that only exists because guns do? Just vote for Obama again and go back to sleep; you're just not going to get it.

Jesus Jones----apparently not.

Most sensible people want some control on those who sell guns to people who shouldn't have them, and background checks on buyers so that sellers can be responsible.

DLS, no argument there.

It could be a racist white guy that impersonates a black guy on the internet.

leroy, so you or anyone else could express racist sentiments? What the hell difference does it make otherwise?

Gilbert, AZ is home to two kinds of people....Mexicans and Mormons.

It could be a racist white guy that impersonates a black guy on the internet.

So, black people can't question the official story? You're being racist to point out someone might be a racist. Please libs, just stay out of anything to do with using your brain, you are just not very good at it.

Well when a self proclaimed neo nazi goes on a murderous rampage , my first thought is what ethnic group is he targeting. If your not a nazi, self preservation motivates you to want to know the details of this cowardly crime. I can't imagine what it must be like to be totally unconcerned about his victims, as so many are, as indicated by there posts. Being caucasion must really be a blast. A toddler gets shot to death by a white guy, and the majority of the post are concerned with gun rights and smearing President Obama.

yeah too many East Coasters in AZ screwing things up.

run amigo! runnnnnnnnn!!!! the border is that way holmes!

you must have read the wrong constitution i see i can have a gun i missed the part where murder was allowed maby you have a bad copy?

well he really failed if he shot himself. hard to prepare after that. as bad as it was at least he wont ever do it again now. so how does American freedom fighter = neonazi?

Are you new to the Internet?

Say what, Willis?

Nonsense----facts can get in the way of a perfectly lovely insult fest.

In Washington state, a man killed his two children using a hatchet, or so it was reported. Then he set fire to the house. He probably killed his wife the year before. I don't know if he used a gun but people do kill. Been happening forever and sometimes in the name of god! Let me think, would I rather be murdered with a knife, an axe, rat poison, be pushed off a cliff or strangled, drowned, or whacked with a rock? Hmmmm, Tough call

former, based on your comment we should return to the wild west, right? Holstered six shoorters on each hip with people staring at each other with that "Make my day" smirk on their faces. Yep. You betcha. That's the America you want for the rest of us. Go fly a kite in Somalia if that's the life you're looking for!

hypocrite. You want everyone disarmed and defenseless. Move to England.

When guns are outlawed...only outlaws will have guns....and they would shoot you anyway!! Moron!!

JackBNimble1

former, based on your comment we should return to the wild west, right? Holstered six shoorters on each hip with people staring at each other with that "Make my day" smirk on their faces. Yep. You betcha. That's the America you want for the rest of us. Go fly a kite in Somalia if that's the life you're looking for.

"You want everyone disarmed and defenseless? Move to England! Intelligent and extremely apropos. See the rest of the world has gun control and accounts for less than .05% of the murders done here. Can you say oops I'm sorry I missed out on the day they issued brains. No tools and the job doesn't get done. Or is that too much of a parable for you?

With an attitude like that Jack, you should probably exit the country now...

FormerUSBP: Always remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

They sure do their "fair share" of crime don't they?

I believe the mantra is now shoot first, claim being scared and needed to defend yourself. Children can be a real threat. How come the right to life crowd are the ones who insist on the right to carry guns? More opportunities for target practice?

The 1% are only interested in money and theft by corporate lobbyists.

LynchBrandon now is not the time for Spam you jerk.

More likely in the 1% seeing as he could afford all that money on weapons and body armor! The real 99% have more important things to spend their money on.

There are many things in this world gun nuts can try to excuse away. Killing a 2 year old child isn't one of them. Sorry, don't bother to try and excuse the responsibility those who promote guns have for this young child's death. There is no EXCUSE that is sane or rational. Not unless you are all trying to prove that the real NRA intent is to get Americans conditioned to a death existence where bullies rule and everyone is at their mercy. AZ should be ashamed of itself for allowing this guy to even consider becoming sheriff. This is a black mark on the AZ government in that state.