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J. T. Ready, a self-proclaimed neo-Nazi, was among five dead at a shooting at a home in Gilbert, Arizona. He was running for Pinal County Sheriff.
Updated at 1:22 a.m. ET: A man equipped with several firearms and body armor killed four people, including a toddler, on Wednesday in Gilbert, Ariz., authorities told azcentral.com. They believe he then killed himself.
J. T. Ready, a neo-Nazi and member of the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps, was among the dead, according to azcentral.com. It is unclear what role he played in the shootings. Unnamed police sources identified Ready as the gunman, azcentral.com reported.
Sergeant Bill Balafas told msnbc.com that he could not confirm whether Ready was even among the dead or if the crime was a murder-suicide. He said police are still identifying the dead.
"There were a few weapons in the house and we don't know if there was a gun battle or if it was a murder-suicide," Balafas said.
The shooting took place after 1 p.m.
At a briefing for reporters, Balafas said all the evidence points to the shooting being related to domestic violence. He didn't elaborate.
Two handguns and a shotgun were recovered from the crime scene. Balafas said investigators had obtained a search warrant Wednesday evening and a bomb squad was sweeping the house for precautionary reasons.
Authorities said a search of the home and positive identification of the bodies were pending as police wait for a federal agency to remove unknown chemicals and munitions from inside and outside of the home for officer safety.
FBI spokesman Manuel Johnson said federal agents were at the scene "providing personnel and technical assistance" to Gilbert police, but that the police department was the lead agency.
Down the street from where the shooting took place, neighbor Lieselotte Senge said she heard a loud boom around 1 p.m. and stepped out onto her stoop to see where it came from.
“All of a sudden I saw all of the police cars,” Senge told msnbc.com. They were in the garage of a woman who Senge said had a daughter and infant granddaughter.
On arrival, first responders believed the toddler, who was between one and 2-years-old, showed signs of life. She was transported to a children’s hospital but was pronounced dead on arrival, Balafas said.
Law enforcement agents had been nervous about Ready, according to a 2010 story by the Associated Press. He led a militia group that focused on nabbing undocumented immigrants and drug traffickers along the Mexican border. He was also heavily armed and a self-proclaimed neo-Nazi.
“These are explicit Nazis,” Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project told the AP. “These are people who wear swastikas on their sleeves.”
In Gilbert, a city of 208,000 southeast of Phoenix, neighbor Senge watched as school children had been escorted to their homes by police officers. The shooting had taken place three doors down from her house, at a bend in the road where Tumbleweed Road becomes Monteray Street.
She said it’s a nice neighborhood of single-family homes where neighbors, apart from the occasional wave, mostly keep to themselves.
This report contains material from The Associated Press and Reuters.
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Most NRA members are pussies who are so ignorant and have such fragile egos. Without their guns they'd be so lost,and would hide behind their mommys skirt!
Not in the NRA but believe in the Bill of Rights. Ignorance is thinking that outlawing/prohibiting ANYTHING will solve any problems. It never does. There are so many firearms in this country right now that trying to ban firearms would accomplish nothing.
Do you kiss your mom with that mouth Tony? Oh by the way tell her she still owes me $20 from the other night! Speaking of skirt tell her I will give it back next time we meet at the truck stop!
Jesus, lame, really lame! Is that the best response you can muster to a legitimate charge of cowardice and stupidity in the gun toting crowd?
tex2c, if you've read JJ's prior posts you can see that this is his M.O.
I am done with you Tony. You are a tough guy behind the cloud of the WWW. Now run along to dinner.
War Vet.......Who's skirt did you hide behind while you were in combat?
Tony must have really admired Josh Powell. Two murders and one suicide using only a hatchet and gasoline.
In the 1960’s there were experiments conducted with rats. What they discovered was that when the population density reached a certain level, even if there was enough food and water for all, rat behavior changed significantly. The rats became hyper aggressive. They stopped nurturing their young. Cannibalism appeared. Mortality in the population increased, as did abnormal sexual patterns.
Later studies, including some involving humans, showed that it was the amount of social interaction that was the cause; too much social contact was triggering these behaviors. It also caused an increase in physical disease, mental illness, and psychosomatic disorders.
What is the fix? There is only: drop the population level. So, the next time you hear about some shooting or bombing, count the number of your kids. Do you have more than two? Then you helped cause it.
Get your facts straight....all of you. Go look at crime rates in nearly every city of America over the past 10 years. Crime rates are going DOWN! Every year! Oh, so the answer? Outlaw guns? OK, go look at crime rates in Great Britain and Australia AFTER they outlawed guns. Skyrocket way up. My Uncle lives there and says it is scary, criminals who didn't turn in their guns are perfomring home invasions knowing people are unarmed. Do you really think htat any person willing to do what this guy did today is going to turn in is guns? Solve the problem....it's not guns! And, this comment is coming from a person that has never owned or fired a gun. I'm just being logical here, not emotional........which news teams all over America want to agitate people with. Why not expose how many people die a year from Cigarettes. Death from Cigarettes beat out any other form of death per year in any category. Why not make them illegal? And yes, those that smoke kill other people with their second hand smoke. Every parent that subjects their "under 18" children with smoking in the house or in the car should be charged with a crime. Look at the success of outlawing DRUGS. LOL So, go ahead, outlaw guns....and you open up a can of "whoopazz". Think people, don't just react!
L8, NO SERIOUS-MINDED LEGISLATOR OR PRIVATE CITIZEN HAS EVER SUGGESTING THE OUTLAWING OF GUNS. If you were able to wean yourself from the NRA's spin machine for one nanosecond you'd understand that.
I know FOX does your thinking for you but in actuality gun homicides in both countries you mention are a fraction of those in the USA. I mean a tiny fraction.
# 1
South Africa:
31,918
Crime in South Africa
# 2
Colombia:
21,898
Crime in Colombia
# 3
Thailand:
20,032
Crime in Thailand
# 4
United States:
9,369
Crime in United States
# 5
Philippines:
7,708
Crime in Philippines
# 6
Mexico:
2,606
Crime in Mexico
# 7
Slovakia:
2,356
Crime in Slovakia
# 8
El Salvador:
1,441
Crime in El Salvador
# 9
Zimbabwe:
598
Crime in Zimbabwe
# 10
Peru:
442
Crime in Peru
# 11
Germany:
269
Crime in Germany
# 12
Czech Republic:
181
Crime in Czech Republic
# 13
Ukraine:
173
Crime in Ukraine
# 14
Canada:
144
Crime in Canada
# 15
Albania:
135
Crime in Albania
# 16
Costa Rica:
131
Crime in Costa Rica
# 17
Azerbaijan:
120
Crime in Azerbaijan
# 18
Poland:
111
Crime in Poland
# 19
Uruguay:
109
Crime in Uruguay
# 20
Spain:
97
Crime in Spain
# 21
Portugal:
90
Crime in Portugal
# 22
Croatia:
76
Crime in Croatia
# 23
Switzerland:
68
Crime in Switzerland
# 24
Bulgaria:
63
Crime in Bulgaria
# 25
Australia:
59
Crime in Australia
# 26
Sweden:
58
Crime in Sweden
# 27
Bolivia:
52
Crime in Bolivia
# 28
Japan:
47
Crime in Japan
# 29
Slovenia:
39
Crime in Slovenia
= 30
Belarus:
38
Crime in Belarus
= 30
Hungary:
38
Crime in Hungary
# 32
Latvia:
28
Crime in Latvia
# 33
Burma:
27
Crime in Burma
# 34
Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of:
26
Crime in Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of
# 35
Austria:
25
Crime in Austria
# 36
Estonia:
21
Crime in Estonia
# 37
Moldova:
20
Crime in Moldova
# 38
Lithuania:
16
Crime in Lithuania
= 39
United Kingdom:
14
Crime in United Kingdom
= 39
Denmark:
14
Crime in Denmark
# 41
Ireland:
12
Crime in Ireland
# 42
New Zealand:
10
Crime in New Zealand
# 43
Chile:
9
Crime in Chile
# 44
Cyprus:
4
Crime in Cyprus
# 45
Morocco:
1
Crime in Morocco
= 46
Oman:
0
Crime in Oman
= 46
Luxembourg:
0
Crime in Luxembourg
= 46
Iceland:
0
William, they hate this kind of stuff. Facts run off their backs like water on ducks.
Are the new BCS rules in place? Will there be a four country playoff?
Thanks for the facts. The problem is that facts don't matter to people whose mindset doesn't allow them.
Pathetic, snite, pathetic. It took decades to get the Tobacco Industry to stop lying to the folks they had conned into smoking their death products by advertising.
What do you think the NRA is? It is the advertising arm of the GUN INDUSTRY. The biggest contributor to the propaganda campaign of the NRA is the GUN INDUSTRY! Get it?
The easiest fools to brainwash are the uneducated and ignorant.
And of course, tex2c, our gov't has NEVER lied to us!!! You, the sheeple, will believe anything that is stuffed down your throat!!!! Your last line fits you to a tee!!!!!!!! All you Blowbamabots are about to lose your savior in less than a year!!!!!
I saw the Swiss in those stats.
The Swiss have an assault rifle (real ones, not the ones the media lies about) in every home.
Kind of screws things up for ya, huh?
Not if figured per capita, they certainly are not a fraction. They are right up there with or surpassing, and they are ILLEGAL there. That means no one is supposed to have them "supposed" being the trick word of course. CRIMINALS DON"T OBEY GUN LAWS!!!
william of wrongs,
once again you come up with garbage and call it fact. the numbers supplied come from where?
obviously they are wrong, made up by some libera group that wants to skew stats to make an argument sound plausable.
If you want people to believe you, present the authors, cross check with other sources that can support or dispute the findings.
you will find that the BS you are being told and repeating are one sided lies and mistruths. include how many deaths per capita, FBI reports from earlier this year alone state that illegal gun violence is down durring the last reported year and has been declining for decades.
Exactly. That's what I'm talking about S. Ulmer. As the laws have subsided over the last three decades, so has crime and by god the statistics proves exactly that. Now, you unpatriotic freedom haters go ahead and skew it and spew it. Ya'll ain't foolin nobody except yer own kind.
stevey, unlike many American gunowners the Swiss know how to act like responsible adults. Duh.
Just like I said, these facts run off them just like water on ducks. I've labeled these yokels as deniers extraordinaire. Don't believe in science. Don't believe in upper education. Don't believe in anything other than the diatribe they hear on Faux Noise, The Drudge Report, Ann Coulter, Shawn Hannity, and all the other radical right wing talkiing machines. What a pathetic lot!
It flies in the face of the gun banners when they are confronted with the fact that the Swiss have guns, and no significant gun crime.
Gee, that would make it the fault of the person, and not the gun, wouldn't it? Your own words condemn you.
Now, take the consolation prize.
steven ur missing the point completely. you can't compare swiss culture to american culture. americans have a culture of selfishness and fear, which is the complete opposite of swiss culture. when you put guns in the hands of people who live in fear, are you surprised that we have more deaths by handguns than switzerland. the news media in switzerland doesn't tell its citizens that the black man or some other minority is out to get them so they better stock up on guns. they're media talks about finance, industry, technology, etc. ur comparing apples and oranges.
and yes, i did just play the race card.
@JackBNimble..........Those so called "facts" don't mean squat when they are pulled out of someones arse. Like I said, you guys ain't foolin nobody but yourselves
I've lived in AZ for almost 20 years and I have never seen people act like they're afraid of their own shadows. They're unfriendly, fake and don't want to get to know their neighbors. So if you want to move to a state where no one wants to know you Arizona is the place for you. I'm done, the southern region of the United States can sink into the sea for all I care! there is something definitley wrong with Arizonans. I think that they like living in a police state being controlled and told what they can or cannot do.
What do you expect? We are a nation of killers. That is what we do best.
You're right doug. So as many on this thread may wish, we should arm every citizen several times over.
SO with that said doug, you and Jack are killers if you live in this nation, and I assume you do. You are as guilty of this crime as the shooter then.
JJ, even when you try to seriously respond to a post you still make no sense. Sorry, pal.
JJ - too stupid to know how stupid he is.
this is a sad story and may god receive the worthy and reject the unworthy.
That said, some fool said the right to bare arms was the biggest joke in the world.
HE is the biggest joke, because some liberal progressive jerks think that an inanimate object has the ablillity to kill on it's own, they want to ban firearms and keep the public at the mercy of the criminal or overbaring government.
It, the second amendment to the constitution of these United States, is there to protect the people. Protect them from the criminal element AND tyrranical government. Prtecting the rest of the first ten amendments which we call "the bill of rights".
Only fools and idiots believe otherwise, as they think socialism is wonderful, class separation is needed and the government is always right.
All of them need to re-evaluate their teachings on the constitution, what it means, how it was decided on and what it means to be American. If they still do not like it they should leave for the country they think has it right and stop mucking it up for us true Americans.
I wear short sleeves all summer and no lefty is going to stop me!!
We should amend the 2nd Amendment and also allow the right to bare breasts!!!!
Trying to regain a little face there with a a pathetic attempt at humor, JJ? Too late, you have exposed yourself as a complete moron. Sorry, time to STFU.
trying to make sense of you can be tough, what does that mean? how does short sleaves protect you from some "lefty"?
The radical left wing are against gun ownership in this country because they realize their "revolution" cant happen as long as Americans are armed and able to defend themselves and their families.
Well, as a stuntman and private investigator, I am pretty sure you are a rootin' tootin' type to teach us all a lesson.
doug, that's hogwash and you know it. Give me one example of a progressive legislator who has put forward legislation outlawing guns. JUST ONE!
The problem is that you've been watching Faux Noise too much and drinking up the NRA's special blend of Kool Aid.
And kill defenseless toddlers. You conveniently left that part out.
No. These things would happen anyway.
You don't need guns to eliminate left wing pussies. Just taint some free cheese and other welfare delights with some toxin of some type. Problem solved.
Exactly, in Roman times gun homicides occurred all the time.
Brilliant.
Right on Doug........If that certain element of society doesn't like being free and having the choice to defend themselves against evil and tyranny all they need to do is adopt one of the many other nations on this earth that rules with an iron fist and allows evil to take the drivers seat and move there.......So simple man.
Like shooting fish in a Barrel:
"If I could have banned them all - 'Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns' - I would have!"
- Diane Feinstein
http://gunowners.org/a091707.htm
Barbara Boxer (D.-Calif.)
Sponsor of bills to ban compact handguns, such as those commonly carried for protection, by making the legality of their manufacture in the U.S. contingent upon the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' (BATFE) regulation permitting the same type of firearm to be imported. BATFE uses regulatory authority over firearms importation arbitrarily and, some say, illegally. Boxer hoped the BATFE would do the same with U.S.-made firearms.
Steve --
Check this one out. Eric Holder 1995 "Brainwashing" against guns
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/18/Holder-Outlines-How-To-Change-Public-Opinion-On-Guns
J
If the NRA had their way all school aged children would be packing in the classroom! Daily shootouts in the classroom would then be the norm! The NRA won't stop until we have the WILD WEST II. Shoot them if you got them cowboy!
Man for a war vet you sure have a bad taste for guns. What did you carry? A knife or a tire iron?
Another paranoid gun clutcher goes off the deep end.
Go figure.
Standing on a corner in Gilbert, Arizona,
such a fine sight to see,
There's a guy, MY LAWD!!!
Wearing body armor and carrying an M16!!!
AAARRRGGGHHH!!!
I'm seeing two threads of thought here that make no sense whatsoever;
1. Guns don't kill people; people kill people.
Did the killer kill them with his bare hands? That would qualify as "people killing people". However, he killed people with a GUN ! If he hadn't had a gun, would those people be dead today? A gun definitely killed them with an assist from a "people" !!!
2. More people are killed by automobiles than by guns.
Aside from target practice, the sole purpose of a gun is to KILL something or someone. On the other hand, a car has many uses, none of which involve killing something or someone. Additionally, most car deaths are a result of an accident, dwi, driver inattention, road hazards, etc.
So, If you're going to offer opinions or debate a subject, it's best to stay in the shallow end of the pool,gene-wise and water-wise, because you're definitely in over your head !!!!
What I've been saying is that people with guns kill people. Pretty hard to deny that but they still try.
So, cars, although not meant to kill, actually kill four times as much as guns (by your definition).
That makes cars a hell of a lot more dangerous.
And to the relatives of the dead, they hurt the same.
Makes me think about the number of people murdered with the hundreds if not thousands of guns supplied by Eric Holder to the drug gangs.
Ouch!!!! You are going to touch a nerve to the progressive losers my friend!!!
Oh boy, am I bothered by that mindless statement. Seems like Bush ordered the same thing during his tenure yet Big Jim choses to completely ignore that fact. Overstating the number of guns provided does not help his credibility very much. Perhaps Big Jim should get off his jackass horse long enough to learn the facts.
Seems like Bush made sure no guns got away...
And no one was killed.
Unlike Obama and Holder's inept, weak attempt to make guns look bad.
Except the practice stopped under Bush and resumed by Eric Holder...who managed to lose track of the guns by the way. Still Eric Holder is responsible not Bush for Fast and Furious. Nice try to redirect there Jack B. I noticed a large number of posts here Jack...just another paid troll I see.
Speculation is fun.
What if he was in this Country ilegally, possessed the guns illegally and the guns turn out to be some of the 2500 weapons that were allowed to walk from operation Fast and Furious?
It would STILL be the NRAs fault!!!!! I am willing to bet this is a domestic dispute and the (ex)wife, boyfriend, and kids were shot. SAD anyway you look at it. The anti gun folks love it when people are shot and killed so they can vent against the NRA for whatever reason.
The shooter was J.T. Ready. He supports legalizing marijuana, considers himself a civil libertarian, has had nice things to say about the Occupy movement, and recently filed paperwork in Pinal County to run for Sheriff as a Democrat. He was also a neo-Nazi.
JT Ready was also a founder of the Minute Man patrol.
Got that right JJ, never let a crisis / tragedy go to waste!
Guns are made for taking human life. What one takes into one's hand, one takes into one's heart.
"Wherefore, saith the LORD, 'Come out from among them, and be ye separate, and TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN THING."
And "He who is angry with his brother is a murderer."
The Word of God is very clear on this matter. GUNS ARE EVIL!
God knew about guns? Wow that dude was REALLY in the know!!!!!
Guns are inanimate objects.
You are wrong like the rest of the libturds. Guns are not mentioned in the Bible.
This my rifle, this is my gun, this for killing, this for fun.
Guns are made for killing.
Just another neighborhood watcher w/ some suspicious characters he felt compelled to confront! Oh that's right No Blacks involved as the headline reads "Four people..." Where's all the hyperbole people, all the speculations all the good ole boy gibberish and venom???? You jerks can't work up a reason for why a toddler is responsible for it's own death really - my faith in humanity being something other than a two-bit ignorant thug is close to restoration, but I'll reserve that until the next article. Perhaps AZ should do something about that pesky gun problem before asking the courts to deal with their so called immigrant problem - I say so called as a lot of our jobs are now in Mexico etc.
Nope...he is a fat white guy in fake camouflage that was rejected by the Marines. Let's all hold our breath. The guns were, of course, legal. He is a "Minuteman", all ready to protect our rights.
Before my last response was "hijacked" in some manner or requirement from "facebook" my comments were a lot more mellow. MSNBC, shame, shame, shame. Plastering headlines without information to solicit ignorant responses from the masses of gun control, immigration, political, racist, religious nut wad's out there in cyber land. What a shining example of "yellow journalism." You're right up there with the National Inquirer! At least they knowingly admit to sensationalism and out right fabrication. Talk about trolling for dead fish. You should be ashamed. Period. There is simply nothing to comment on with any relevance or objectivity to anything whatsoever, except for the mindless categories I just listed along many more. What a bunch of bull@!$%# journalism. You guys are scraping the bottom of the barrel...and you have many fish in that barrel. Amazingly disgusting!
My, my, Robert. Why don't you tell us how you really feelabout MSNBC. So that you can really recognize yellow journalism you might want to check out the many media outlest owned by Ruppert Murdoch - Faux Noise and the many rag journals published in England.
Guns and death go together even for those taughting themselves to carry concealed weapons. When do you really know you're going to get shot? Good luck the idiots in this country, no better than living in Afghanistan, because schools will be the same under any GOP idiot. What imarginary thingy are the conservatives fighting? Apart from killing their family members with their guns? Damn, da, damn damn, damn daaaamn! Since when was “Is an Ought” ? Does a natural tendency towards violence justify assault? Someone on the vine wants to blame the economy and hard times, really? Then majority are going to die for sure.
Well this was fun BUT it is time for dinner and to go clean a few guns!!!! This story will get legs because it is in Arizona but that is the only reason! May I suggest that the OWS losers move to Arizona? Just a thought.
Make sure you don't shoot yourself while you clean them. Just sayin....
Agreed. MSNBS will make this story one of their top priorities because it occured in Arizona, further exposing their bigotry.
Wanna come help me? Just sayin......... Weak little man. Bye JackBeatOff.
doug, I suppose you think the shooting of 4 or 5 people should be belongs on the last page of the paper, eh? Not news of any significance, right? Come to think of it, since it's been happening with increasing frequency perhaps you may have a point.
Hey JJ, watch out with the name calling. Other people might begin to realize that you're the intellectually starved person that you really are. Go away!
Jack, I do have a point. I live in the bay area just outside of the oakland/richmond area.
There are multiple murders all the time, you won't hear about this from this website because black on black crime goes unreported by the mainstream media.
Doug, this is a nation-wide story as are many other multiple murders that occur. Sorry, but I can't agree with you.
Tonywarvet
I doubt you were ever in a war because you would not be spewing the stupidity that you are spewing! I could take you out with my 3006 before you knew you were in my crosshairs!
Calm down before you hurt yourself, timmy. Aim your 3006 my way and I'm liable to aim my spitshooter at you, tough guy.
Ok Jacky I think your mommy is calling you now. Play time is over.
Wow Jack it appears you have nothing better to do than post on MSNBC. I see you have been posting from at LEAST 2010 from California!!! Good for you! Momma must be proud! Does she charge you rent for living in her basement? Peace out brotha!!!
Golly gee, now I've got JJ and timmy throwing their childish insults at me. Sorry guys, your schoolyard intellect should tell you that sticks and stones may break my bones, but...(you know the rest).
Btw JJ, didn't you just post that you were leaving this thread to clean your guns, eat dinner, and go beddy-bye?
fedupTom-how can you compare deaths due to automobiles when those are accidents and deaths due to guns are murders,are you people really that stupid or just blind due to your convictions?
Blah, blah, blah ... Guns don't kill people ... People use guns to kill people.
Fact: Countries with strict gun control laws have very little gun violence.
Fact: The US has a very strong gun lobby who has no concept of what the following statement actually means, "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Fact: Most gun owners are responsible law abiding citizens.
All of that aside, we need to be taking steps to prevent gun violence. The easiest solution is to limit the availability of guns, particularly hand guns whose sole use is to kill people. No one in their right mind would hunt with one so why are they so widely available? Gun lobby and idiots.
Like Mexico?
What everyone is forgeting is many of these shooters are On Drugs or mostly Prescription drugs . These mind altering drugs given from childhood from greedy doctors. To people that dont realize they dont need them. Doctors are todays biggest drug dealers and sleezeballs. Blaming guns while some people are addicts over anything .Just isnt puttign the blame on the person. too much of anything is bad. they need to start jailing these doctors.
If you click on the guys name that is mentioned, you are sent to another page that describes him politically. He hates Mexican immigrants and want to do anything to stop them. I wonder if those dead were mostly mexican or of hispanic origin
I wonder how many of the dead in this incident, a car accident/chase, were of Hispanic origin?
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_central_southern_az/casa_grande/pd-4-dead-in-casa-grande-crash-may-be-undocumented-immigrants