con·cen·tra·tion camp

Noun:

A place where large numbers of political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities are imprisoned

His usage of "concentration camps" is correct. The Nazis didn't have a lock on the words "concentration camp". The United States placed Japanese Americans in concentration camps during World War II as well. Perhaps you should take your own advice and crack a book sometime.

Hey guys - while MANY of us do not agree with ol' Sheriff Joe's prison camps, they are NOT anything like a concentration camp.

The actual use of the word concentration camp implies far, far more evil than being a mere location where normal prisoners, political prisoners or persecuted minorities are imprisioned.

It implies the horrors that the Nazi's perpetrated in thier concentration camps.

Appalachian - America did imprison the west coast Japanese inappropriately and because of that, many of the families lost much or all of thier material possessions - yes. Absolutely. However, the atrocities associated with the title 'concentration camp' (because of the Nazi starvation, murder, torture of those held in thiers) did not happen in these camps here in America. Yes - let's take these internment camps (as they were called then) and call them what they were - but please don't use inflammatory and inaccurate designations like 'concentration camp'.

Calling a prison a concentration camp (even one done in a manner we hate like Sheriff Joe does) cheapens the memories of those who died because of the atrocities that happened in REAL concentration camps.

Arizona hasn't passed law to allow weapons in bars, hell Ohio is ahead of them. And truthfully I see nothing wrong with the tent camps for prisoners. Maintenance must be low, maybe all states should look into it. I was in jail years ago, but was one the smarter ones out of my friends I never went back.

Appalachian,

You are incorrect, our camps were not 'concentration camps'...

eric-2645575

A sherriff that loves concentration camps? You have no clue what you're talking about. Being in a tent in the desert and forced to eat baloney sandwiches and wear a pink jumper ISN'T THE SAME THING as what the Nazis had in Europe during WW2.

LOL

Gotta agree with Appalachian on this one. Nazi atrocities didn't change the definition. But this isn't about Arizona's prisoners.... it's about a nut job who killed a family, possibly with some racial animosity.

I have so many questions. The article claims that Ready was a "leading neo-Nazi". Really? What neo-Nazi organization did he lead? I bet he was a wannabe Nazi and didn't "lead" a damn thing.

Why on earth would a woman with half Hispanic children get involved with a white supremacist nazi wannabe who patrolled the border illegally? The signs weren't there? He called her daughter half-ugly, yet she stayed with him? Her adult children had enough sense to get out, how did she not? She left her first husband, yet stayed with this guy knowing he had contempt for her children based solely on ethnicity? WOW!

I'm not blaming her. It just seems hard to imagine she left the father of her children who she was married to, yet stayed with a guy who made unthinkably cruel comments about her children, based on ethnicity. Very strange and in the end, very sad. My heart goes out to Mr. Mederos, especially if he wasn't at fault for the breakup of his marriage. Imagine having your wife leave you and then her new boyfriend kills the entire family. I can't even imagine what Mr. Mederos is going through....

Complete white washing bullsh-t from a marine, and I would expect nothing more from the same.

They were concentration camps, marine, no matter how much you try to obscure and lie about it, THEY WERE CONCENTRATION CAMPS, and people did die in them because of lack of food, heat and medical care. And what's more marine, they were created for POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC reasons.

Here's some history for YOU marine. Did you know that only HALF the Japanese ethnics living in US controlled territory were locked up in concentration camps? That's right, ONLY the middle class, business owning, and profession practicing Japanese of the west coast were sent to the camps. But, there were also another group of Japanese, about 150,000 who never went to the camps. They lived in Hawaii, making up nearly 40% of the island's population at the time. Yes folks, nearly 2 of every 5 people living in our single most important base in the Pacific War were the "enemy". And you know why they weren't locked up? Because the MILITARY, who controlled the islands saw NO RISK in letting them be. And this was supported by the WHITE power structure of planters, because 80% of the Japanese in Hawaii were farm labor, picking pineapples and cutting cane. To have locked them up or shipped them to the mainland would have tied up vital shipping and bankrupted the island's plantation owners. So, what happened was a truly racist injustice of the highest order, completely comparable to the same sort of racist BS the Germans were peddling and both countries adopted similar immediate solutions to RACIAL conflict, NOT military security.

Oh, and one other note, it was the British who invented concentration camps during the Boer War in South Africa. They rounded up tens of thousands of Afrikaner women and children and locked them up in camps as a way of forcing the Afrikaner men to give up the guerrilla fighting. The camps, of course, were deplorable, and thousands died of disease and starvation, much like the camps to follow.

this was a miserable man! serious problems and one of them being losing touch with reality. very poor esteem, no love, self destructive, out of control and now deceased. wonder what he wanted in life?

rambo wannabe!

Harold: "He called her daughter half-ugly, yet she stayed with him."

Not true--he called her DAUGHTER's DAUGHTER--her GRANDDAUGHTER--"ugly." Probably still not the greatest guy to stay with, I'll agree

OK, I see how it works.

So, if this guy represents the Republican Party, then the 5 domestic terrorists that tried to blow up the bridge in Ohio and are associated with the Occupy Wall Street movement are representatives of the Democrats.

And, of course, that means that they are supported by Barrack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and all the rest of the Democrats.

I'm sure all the people blasting AZ's gun laws have no idea about any of them. Maybe you can tell me what gun law specific to AZ lead to this murder.

I care more about the twisted thinking of scum like this that would bring him to believe he's justified in murdering a little child, than I do about convicted criminals living in the desert in tents.

I've seen a lot of these types and every last one of them was a screwed up, twisted loser, who blames everything that happens to them on outside forces like the government; never taking personal responsiblity for their own situation. Nothing, nothing can justify the cold-blooded murder of a child.

I'm so very sorry for what happend to the child, but I bid good riddance to the murdering piece of scum who took that child's life.

I have no words for my disgust, except women --- stay away from these types.

Anyone else find it ironic that uber-conservative neo nazi's like this guy belong to an organization called the National Socialist Movement?

I thought you neo-nazi whack jobs considered Obama to be the socialist? Would you allow a "socialist" like Obama to join the National Socialist Movement?

It's comparable to John Boehner, Eric Cantor, and Rand Paul joining a group called the National Progressive Movement.

Mr. What?-with-numbers... thank you for the correction.

It's always a good idea when attacking stereotypical beliefs to stereotype another group. lol

The frightening thing is that there is a considerable population in Arizona that would have voted for this guy. Although it seems pretty obvious from his statements and his campaign website that he had more than a few screws loose, there are some people there that think this guy was the right person for the job as sheriff. Its too bad that four people including a baby had to die in order to expose this guys psychotic behavior but I guess its better now than after he may have been elected (the killings still might have taken place but then he would have the authority to sweep it under the rug). I guess the extremists in Arizona will have to find some other psycho to vote for.

PJ-1795048

You are a fool.

The man was a well-known Neo-Nazi separatist, and posted the information on the internet, sent if via US postal service and Spoke out about it on bull horns in public himself… It isn’t a case of somebody IMPLYING what they thought he was thinking.. We KNOW his opinions on these matters thanks to HIM.

Let the Zimmerman case be tried in court where they have the FACTS on it. This man found himself guilty and was his own executioner.

Azindy..

Do you really think that Arizona is the only state with gun laws..? Get a grip folks.. ONE DERANGED MAN did this, not a law.. Not a political party…

A different gun law would likely have made no difference to this guy as he was the sort that would have gotten them anyway (he is a well-known vigilante in Arizona)… WTF does your being tea-bagged have to do with ANY of this?

James Buchanan, Yeah, EXACTLY!!! And Eric, he is right: Pick up a freaking book. I imagine you are from Arizona there Eric, that is why you defend people like Brewer and Arpaio. If you had ANY contact with the world of reality, you would know that 90% of those people out in those tents have not been tried and convicted of ANY crime, which under the Constitution makes them innocent until PROVEN GUILTY. Arpaio treats them all like they are guilty the moment of their arrest.

And to be honest the Neo Nazis and this new Republican Party really have few differences. In Michigan they are stripping democracy away with their "emergency manager" laws and lets not even TALK about forced vaginal probes, moats along the borders with alligators in them and surrounded by electric fences. The only real difference is at least the Neo Nazi are OPEN about what they are and what they stand for. Republicans act over and over to destroy democracy while claiming to defend it. Wanna talk about voter ID laws? How about in Virginia where they wont even give democrats in the legislature a vote?

EVERY tactic used by Republicans during the last 25 years is straight out of the playbooks of Stalin, Hitler and Mao. Remember the 2000 election? Stalin said it didn't matter who voted or how many people vote. It only matters WHO COUNTS the votes.

Of COURSE this guy was cruel and controlling. Why is this news? Ex Marine and most likely a card carrying member of both the Republican Party and the NRA and I can guarantee that that he went to a Christian Church service at least once a week. The Churches have become the new Brown Shirts, or Shock Troops. We got to see EXACTLY how they feel with uber Christian Rick Santorum called the President of the United States a @!$%# and Brewer stuck her bony little claw in his face.

There is really only one humane way for Americans to deal with this extremist generation of control freaks...isolate them. No one has to be controlled by anyone. When you encounter an irrational control freak, don't hang around. You know a control freak is dangerous. But, his main problem isn't an obsession with control of others. It's his awareness of his mental illness that he knows shows he is out of control. So, you isolate these freaks of nature. They can't control you if you isolate them from society, can they?

Now just think about the therapy a control freak receives if he is isolated from society and only has himself to deal with. He is forced to learn control or go madder than the Mad hatter. At which, point, he can safely be institutionalized for the criminally insane.

formermarinesgt......

although i dont think they are concentrations camps. if you havent been in AZ you wouldnt think that just because they are in a camp, it is not a big deal.

well, i agree to disagree......... when the temperature outside can go up to 125 degrees and you are outside earing just sandwiches.... it is pretty much "like" a concentration camp. you dont have any where to go.

I have lived in AZ and have seen this camps. and i have seen the green bolognia sandwiches they eat.

Definately, a modern concentration camp.

This extremist groups also claim defending our border?! really!? they just have anger and want to take it out somehow. They hunt the illegals, rape the girls, and then they set them free on the field to say they were running, and kill them like a pray.

a lot of ppl dont want to see the facts, i have been there. and i moved out of AZ because they are doing all this "LEGALLY".

This is a very sad story! I look at the sick intellect of this man! For God and our country I pray that all these types of individuals take themselves out or each other.

And all of you folks who associate the past history of concintration camps and the evil deeds of Hitler, Identifying with Sheriff Joe. I would sincerely hate to have his job. Some people who have no where to go but jail realy appreciates a tent and bologne and clean pink underware. And the hundreds of people who are in the stash houses the cyotes bring in and rip off and beat and rape. I think they appreciate the tent and the balogne sand. and I don't realy think they give a damned about the colar of the underware!

It is 2012 and we have a new generation of young people who beleive in the efforts of change and value thiers and others lives. They beleive tomarrow is better yet to come. And we parents are behind them one-hundred pr-cent. And millions are standing in protest for this country and the people. The terroristic behaviors which lerk among us. This is all our responsibilities! Lets forget the past and protect our futures. Through Our Gods which ever master you turn to. I turn to Jesus Christ my Lord and savior. Amen

"If the masses are insane, the sane have to go to the asylum."

Emerson

I'm ready!!!

Where to begin...

con·cen·tra·tion camp

Noun:

A place where large numbers of political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities are imprisoned.

The people in Eat-at-Joe's prison camps are neither "political prisoners" nor "persecuted minorities". They are criminals who got caught breaking the law.

In World War II the U.S. used internment camps. These were used to hold people, generally without a trial, who were considered a potential danger. Conditions in these camps were varied, but the death toll was usually small. On the other hand, concentration camps were typically used as punishment camps for political opponents, as forced labor camps, and as extermination camps. As such, the death tolls were SIGNIFICANTLY higher... (google: "FEMA camps")

Being in a tent in the desert and forced to eat baloney sandwiches and wear a pink jumper ISN'T THE SAME THING as what the Nazis had in Europe during WW2.

If you stop and think about it, if you get rid of the pink jumpsuits, you pretty much have what our military had to go through for the past 10 years in the Middle East... If our young men and women can do this in the defense of our country, these criminals can suck it up and wear the pink jumpers, too...

http://munchkinwrangler.wordpress.com/2007/03/23/why-the-gun-is-civilization/

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On a side note: Yesterday I heard a news report stating that 71% of natural born Americans failed a simple civics question about what the Supreme Law of the Land was... The answer? The Constitution.

Hey - I get it, Arizona haters. Ya wanna make a statement about neo-nazi's and point your fingers in shameful disgust at what you see as Hitler'esque behavior. Guess what - There are 'people' with that nazi thought process in every state in the union. Every. Single. One. And whether you agree with the policies or not, comparing Sheriff Joe to Hitler is as pathetic as those who compare Obama to Hitler. Get a new line to sell - This one's all used up.

And Spiddas - Excellent post.

Spiddas....

The Supreme Law of the Land is not the Constitution. The Supreme Law of the Land is money.

People and/or Corporations with money skirt the the Constitution all the time. Meanwhile, people with the Constitution and no money are paid the deference they deserve, then those with the money go off and do what they wanna do anyway.

The Constitution talks the talk.... but money walks the walk.

foolishness abounds OK, I see how it works.

So, if this guy represents the Republican Party, then the 5 domestic terrorists that tried to blow up the bridge in Ohio and are associated with the Occupy Wall Street movement are representatives of the Democrats.And, of course, that means that they are supported by Barrack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and all the rest of the Democrats.

Funny that is what fox news is saying on Hannity seriously watch yesterdays show. I thought it was so rediculous I had to turn it to another channel. Of course this guy does not represent the whole Republican party just as those 5 others are NOT supported by the Dems Think the FAUX news is brainwashing much.

This A-hole was a racist against the fastest growing minority group in the country. Not a good way to sway votes to your cause. At least he took one vote away from the republicans. Just so sad he killed innocents along the way. He should have shot some of his fellow Nazi believers. And done us all a justice by eliminating more NEO NAZI's

See i can type in bold too

As of late, within the past two decades, many atrocities have occured where guns were used in the United states. Columbine, Viginia Tech, and now Ready who murders a family along with himself. I'm just listing a few things that have happened where guns are involved but there were a great deal more than just the three previously stated. Wether or not these shootings were based on supposed emotional responses, there should have been signs that people could notice. If someone is acting oddly emotional, or If someone is acting with extremist idealism, then authorative action must be notified.
The best way to fix these situations is to keep a more watchful eye, try to help one-another, or else more situations like this will persist. The key things to pick off about Ready was that he was a predjudicial and a racist man, also who was part of a neo-nazi movement. Despite working along to protect the border, these issues/tendancies towards another poeple should have been noticed and dealt with immediately. His political affiliation is not helping with the fact he is republican, but we should ignore that for now and realize that he is an american that was out of touch with being civil.
The main issue with our society is when a tragedy or some specific problem appears or persist, we as americans will tend to blame either Republicans or Democrats; rather than finding who is responsible and dealing with them or the situation in itself. An idiot will always blame a situation on politics, while a wise man/woman will seek to fix the situation immediately and carry on. There was a point were we used to be wise, and we need to return to that point immediately.

With people like this guy, and all those who have committed multiple-murders in recent weeks, who needs the suicide bombers of the Middle East? We Americans are doing a very good job of killing off our own. Maybe these crazies are thinking, "Oh yeah, I'm practicing population control." Morons.

And just a side note about crap-head Joe - my nephew was tossed in pink underwear and a tent because of a simple dispute between tenant and landlord. No one in our family comes remotely close to being illegal immigrants, drug dealers, murderers, thieves - this was a small claims issue and Mr. tough-on-crime's detention practices should have never applied in this situation. This is called "injustice" for those of you who think if you don't break a law, you should have nothing to worry about. In fact the majority of inmates there have NOT been convicted of anything but simply waiting for a trial.

If you're going to be "tough on crime", you have an obligation to be all the more scrutinizing in the people you place there. Obviously this guy isn't. And he has earned the disdain from even more people for law enforcement because of it. He himself described "tent city" as a concentration camp so whether it is or isn't, it still seems like that's what he was going for. And in case this didn't sink in the first time - the majority of inmates there have NOT BEEN CONVICTED OF ANYTHING but simply waiting for a trial. I can't believe the sorry sack of $hit and his hired thugs hasn't been thrown in his own tent city by now. Apparently as long as you don't CLAIM to be neo-nazi, people won't perceive you as one.

Here ya go:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2012-01-05/news/psalm-for-marty-remembering-marty-atencio-the-latest-victim-of-arpaio-s-mcso/

And here ya go: http://youtu.be/_dr5VFMUMEU

FYI there is NO LAW restricting someone from carrying a firearm into a bar!! More ignorant folks! Now drinking and handling a firearm is a BIG NO-NO!!!!!! Unless the establishment states no guns allowed they are talking about open carry only. If you have your CCW you can still carry.

Just another reason to boycott the state of Arizona.

My Dad boycotted it a long time ago. He grew up there but said the people were so vile that he could not wait to get out. He wouldn't even allow us to visit family there.

Harold - you, sir, are an idiot. The Socialist Party and the National Socialist Party are two completely different things. The Socialist Party is on par with the communists, while the National Socialist Party is on par with nazis. The two groups despise each other - the communist ideology states that the goal is for the advancement of individuals via the advancement of the population, while the nazi ideology aims to advance the nation by getting everyone on board with the same ideas. Both are systems that are fatally flawed due to the necessity of a large bureocracy that contributes little to the actual well-being of the people.

Nonetheless, this was a terrible incident that could have been prevented by laws preventing the mentally handicapped/insane from obtaining firearms.

James,

No, but it is very much in line with what America did to Japanese-Americans in our concentration camps. Try reading something OTHER than what they sanitize for consumption in high schools.

There is one difference these are criminals if you don't like it don't do crimes to get locked-up over it is that simple. Personally I think we give far too many freedoms to prisoners, like Calif. now gives jail inmates computer time. SWTF. Inmates should get nothing but time in a cell and one hour out a day, no TV any radio just time. By the way I have made mistakes and have been locked-up so don't just think that this is just some that has never done time, just rambling.

Roc Watts,

The key things to pick off about Ready was that he was a predjudicial and a racist man, also who was part of a neo-nazi movement. Despite working along to protect the border, these issues/tendancies towards another poeple should have been noticed and dealt with immediately.

Since my government gives me the right to have any opinion against any other race as is my constitutional right. Do tell how we immediately deal with deal with WHITE RACIST (what does immediately deal with mean since it is not a crime to have a difference of opinions on race issues) since they are the only racists out there and the black panthers are just a good community organization, no they are racist also.

To all the Libs,

How do you get rid of all the guns in America in the first place as most of you think is necessary? First of all felons don't have a right to own a gun in the first place. They are still are sure able to get guns anyways so the government isn't doing a good job of keeping guns out of the hands of criminals so why as a law abiding citizen would I not want to be armed if all the felons are armed. Do all of you understand that the roll of the police departments is to investigate after a crime occurs? Many of you think it is there job to protect us, but that just isn't the case most of the time, as they can't be everywhere at once. All of you that believe in that the government will protect you no matter what I have two words for you HURICAN KATRINA. Many of those involved in that probably thought the government could protect them no matter what that just isn't the case. Now do you think that all those that own guns will let the government just take their rights away without any resistance, I don't see it, but then again I don't think it is ok to just have the government give you a welfare check every month for life.

Harold of the Rocks - The Nazi party's correct name was National Socialist German Worker's Party. But, I think many of us have missed the point which is; our country, like all others has some real problems. My heart goes to those in pain, because it is going to get worse, much worse.

Harold: Point well taken...

"Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without." -- The Merovingian (The Matrix series)

"When buying and selling are controlled by Washington, the first things to be bought and sold are politicians". -- P.J. O'Rourke (Political philosopher)

Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress.....but then I repeat myself. -- Mark Twain

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright moron." H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen". -- Samuel Adams

sheriff that loves concentration camps

Japanese-Americans in our concentration camps

SO lets abolish all prisons and jails. The fact is the tent jail that is in Arizona in still nothing like any of the concentration camps so you really do need to open a history book. they are not political prisoners or persecuted minority's they were arrested for real crimes. However I guess your against jails so what do we do when you arrest someone? put them in your house?

I bet this guy's wive wanted to leave him and he went berserk. This neo-nazi is another person who can't stand someone that doesn't listen to him.

We should all be very thankfull for Arizona.What better place to keep the nations wack jobs.

To auto and those who think like him: how would you know exactly what the tents are like? Have you actually served time in them? This is America and to some this may sound silly but, we do treat humans with dignity unless they have participated in a horrendous crime like this azz-hole. Sheriff Joe Arpaio and Gov. Janet Brewer have no business being in the leadership roles they are in. They have no compassion for the people of this state, other than those who have a purpose to serve them. Arpaio is cruel and a criminal himself, I believe he has probably stepped on so many peoples' civil rights. And to tell the Federal Government that he does not have to comply with them.... makes me wonder if he thinks he is above the law, himself. Arizona must be the must selfish, hating and racist state in the nation. Jan Brewer cut medical/health benefits to thousands of Arizonans, so that she could save money for the state. Why save money for the state, when you have no agenda for the most needy of those funds? Her handicapped son has been on the SSI/government aid for years, and yet, she cut it for thousands of others. selfish and cruel!

Your right they all need to have TV's and A/C.

Difference between Joe's camp and a concentration camp - his prisoners deserve it. The Jewish, Japanese and several others didn't. If it wasn't so tough on the guards, I'd say every jail in the US should be just like Joe's.

Hit one too many trees there, George?

And to tell the Federal Government that he does not have to comply with them.... makes me wonder if he thinks he is above the law, himself.

What??? The Sheriff IS the law and has more actual power than any sitting el presidente'.

Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Tenth Amendment – Powers of States and people.

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

i.e. - The People created the Several States of the Union. And the States in turn created the federal government and provided for the federal government's constraint via the Constitution. The "created" never has more power than the "creator".

Most Americans have forgotten this, though many are starting to wake up. The usurpation of power and control by the feral federal government will eventually wind down. I just hope the fight will be minimal and those that are the puppets and tools that who are employed in the machinations of TPTB, wake up, use their heads, and simply walk away from their posts...

Ummmm, group? The term "reconcentration camp" comes from the US. When Andrew Jackson wanted to get rid of the Native Americans (when Jackson said "the only good Indian, is a dead Indian," he was not using hyperbole), he rounded them up--even the blond-haired, blue-eyed ones--and put them in reconcentration camps until he could "persuade" them to relocate to Indian territory. If they starved or died of typhus, I don't really think he much cared.

Hitler got his idea for "concentration camps" from the US.

Our internment camps were prisons. They were prisons for entire families, which were not well treated. The only way out was death, at first. Then, they started letting a few of the young men out if they would enlist--those who enlisted were among the best fighters in the war. The prison camps our soldiers were in during WWII were the equivalent of internment camps--they were not nice places.

And, in any case, it was not the states that created the federal government. The Articles of Confederation tried that route. It starts out like this: To all to whom these presents shall come, We, the undersigned, Delegates of the States affixed to our names send greeting: Whereas the Delegates of the United States of America in Congress assembled, did on the fifteenth day of November, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and seventy-seven, and in the second year of the Independence of America, agree to certain Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union between the states of new Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia, in the words following viz. ARTICLES OF CONFEDERATION AND PERPETUAL UNION, between the states of new Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia.

Yes, we tried that whole thing with independent states that had more power than the federal government--the mean, nasty, "feral" federal government--and it didn't work.

The Constitution does not say "We the states"--it says "We the People in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." The people have found that the states cannot be trusted--the states have one sphere of power, the federal government has another--and one role of the federal government is to protect the people against the states when they go "feral." They did this during the Civil Rights era when the "feral" states chose to try and oppress people who were citizens, deprive them of their right under the Constitution to vote, despite the fact that many had served in WWII.

You know, it would be nice if ya'll actually read some history once in a while.

appalachian

con·cen·tra·tion camp

Noun:

A place where large numbers of political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities are imprisoned

His usage of "concentration camps" is correct. The Nazis didn't have a lock on the words "concentration camp". The United States placed Japanese Americans in concentration camps during World War II as well. Perhaps you should take your own advice and crack a book sometime.

You post the definition but you can't even read it?????? Even cracking a book can't help you!

Since when is a convicted prisoner a political prisoner? It is defined as someone who criticizes or opposes their own gov't. Those people committed actual crimes and broke laws on the books. There is no political agenda behind it. No one gets a DUI or robs a bank out of protest. And even if you could find one case, you couldn't find enough to make up the whole prison population. SO what would it be? A concentration camp for 1 guy and a regular prison for the other 99?

And the last time I checked AZ had a diverse prison population. NEITHER qualifies AZ's tent cities as concentration camps. You people will spin anything to villainize someone you don't agree with. Sheriff Joe has plenty of other despicable acts for you to choose from. Might as well help your credibility and pick something ACCURATE!

Clearly none of you know a thing about Tent City. First let me say that I think Arpaio is a criminal and should've been incarcerated long ago, not re-elected. But that's a matter for another debate and has nothing to do with what Tent City is or is not.

Tent City is a minimum security outdoor add-on to the Maricopa county jail complex in Phoenix. Inmates there are strictly non-violent offenders serving a maximum of 6 months, although the majority are serving 30 days or less. The vast majority of the Tent City population are DUI offenders, although there are also shoplifters, "deadbeat dads" (failure to pay child support) and other non-violent offenders. The majority of Tent City inmates are on work release, which means they line up at the gate just before 6 am on weekdays and are let out into society from 6 am to 6 pm so they can go to their jobs. They only spend the night in the tents, except on weekends, when they are there 24/7 until Monday morning. If you are a prisoner of the county jail, you cannot get on work release if you are in the "towers" (the main jail), so you must be in Tent City to be allowed out to go to work every day. I suppose if your job requires you to work weekends, you could probably get out then too if you have something in writing, but I have never known anyone in that situation. BTW, students are allowed out for college classes too -- and I have known someone in that situation. Attending college or going to work, it's treated the same.

If you are a non-DUI offender and therefore still have a valid driver's license, if you have a car, there is a parking lot for it. You can see your car through the chain-link fence while you're on the inside. You can also make a lot of money on the side by giving rides to work to all the DUI offenders who otherwise have to get a friend or spouse to pick them up every morning and give them a ride.

Inmates in Tent City are allowed limited amounts of cash, which is important if you're stuck there all weekend. The food sucks -- you've all heard the infamous stories about stale bread and green bologna. Well it's not really that despicable. It's donated food -- not unhealthy to eat, but not appetizing either. To solve that issue, you use your cash to buy decent but overpriced stuff from the vending machines, which happen to be owned by an Arpaio family member.

Smoking is, of course, prohibited, but it seems to be common practice for many inmates to do it anyway. That's pretty risky, because breaking the rules can cost you your work release -- meaning you are truly stuck there until you serve your full sentence.

I have never been an inmate there myself, but have been one of those people who had to pick up a close personal friend and take them to work every morning and back again at the end of the day, and I have known business professionals and stay-at-home moms who have spent time in Tent City. If you're lucky, you don't do time there in the summer when it's well over 100 degrees for the daytime high. Years ago there were fans in the tents, but Sheriff Joe's excuse is "the inmates broke them" so they were never replaced. If you happen to commit a DUI in winter time, I have been told it's not bad if you bring a warm winter coat. The crappy blankets they give you don't help much, but if you think of it as winter camping in a mild climate, it's possible to get a good night's sleep.

In any case, the first thing every inmate on work release does when they hit that gate at 6 am is to go find a shower and clean clothes immediately. If you play it right, your co-workers don't even need to know you're in jail, although your boss certainly does -- because he or she had to sign off on the paperwork that says you have a job there, which makes you eligible for work release in the first place.

The biggest complaint I have heard about Tent City from people who have been there is not the lousy food or the summer heat, it's the on-the-hour, every-hour announcements on the PA. It's like the CO's think it's a cute little game to play, to wake up the inmates every hour with some nonsense blasting from the PA. So word to the wise -- if you commit a DUI or other non-violent offense in Maricopa county, it's good to be a heavy sleeper. Otherwise you might be nodding off at work the next day.

Hey dipsh*** I find it repulsive that anytime a tragedy happens in a gun friendly state you creampuffs love to bring up the gun laws. Sooooooooooooooo this kind of thing doesn't happen in NY, D.C., CA, etc give me a break. Anyone that is against AZ gun laws doesn't belong in this country period. Your worthless and spineless and I hate the fact I had to spill my blood on foreign soil for you sob's. Please leave this country, or move to Cali, or Washington DC, you will love it there.

Well, I've lived in DC for 16 years and have never heard of this kind of thing happening here. The closest thing we get to this is when right wing nutjobs come to a place like the Holocaust Museum and try to shoot anybody they can. Good job RWNJs.

Lets see you guys hate Arizona, Texas, all the Southern States, Ohio, you've slipped in California, Florida have I left any out. You judge all these states on the actions of a few extreme cases, well guess what all states have questionable people from the left and right, and this wingnut stuff, get a new word, that one is pretty worn out, in fact why don't you grow up and try a little debating without resorting to name calling

You first.

The first few posts are so typical of how people react. Let's forget about the people who were killed by this sadistic moron. Instead, let's incite a reaction by using a word like "concentration camp," and then we can misdirect the entire point. And for those who want to blame guns, then let's blame cars when people drive drunk and kill others. Let's blame knives when somebody, in a rage, slashes a victim to death. Let's shut down the company making rope when somebody is strangled to death. How about we blame the person responsible for the act? Why is that such a remote thought? And, as for the Sheriff, he has every right to discipline those in his jurisdiction who have broken the law. His comparison between these poor people dressed in pink and those serving in Iraq in 121 degree weather while hauling around 80-pounds of gear should put it in perspective. God Bless the victims.

Jason Watson

And just a side note about crap-head Joe - my nephew was tossed in pink underwear and a tent because of a simple dispute between tenant and landlord. No one in our family comes remotely close to being illegal immigrants, drug dealers, murderers, thieves - this was a small claims issue and Mr. tough-on-crime's detention practices should have never applied in this situation. This is called "injustice" for those of you who think if you don't break a law, you should have nothing to worry about. In fact the majority of inmates there have NOT been convicted of anything but simply waiting for a trial.

You are a liar's or you aren't being told the truth by your nephew because you can't be lock-up for a civil matter the police have nothing to do with civil issues that is why we have small claims court. So I call BS on your story. You made yourself look exactly as those you describe above because of the lie. Lying is a caritor flaw and lair'ss usually make a statement saying that is NOT WHO WE ARE when IN FACT THAT IS EXACTLY WHO THEY ARE. So learn about the law before you try and sell your my poor nephew BS here. So I believe your nephew broke a law or the police wouldn't of been invoved in the first place. GO HOME FROM WERE YOU CAME FROM THAT WOULD HELP AMERICA OUT.

Bill1488, nice call on the BS. Besides the whole civil vs. criminal issue, there's another gaping hole in his story -- inmates in Tent City don't get pink underwear or prison uniforms of any kind. They wear their own clothes.

azdad,

Good point but even if they did so what they committed a crime. Where does it say we have to give criminals a certin color of clothing. Most jails make you wear bight orange clothes.

A coward that needs guns to make himself feel big.

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Why couldn't he just kill himself?

I believe you answered your own question.

Actually, the mother and daughter were not Hispanic. The daughter had the the 16 month old with someone who was Hispanic. This scumbag probably thought that the baby being half Hispanic justified murdering her. I love how his loser campaign supporters stated on his election site that he and the others were murdered by a cartel hit team. Can we vote to have Arizona's statehood revoked? And to the normal people in Arizona.....what the hell are you still doing there?!?!

I believe he DID in fact kill himself but not before killing everyone else as well. Sad especially for the sweet little baby. Bless the family of the victims they are in our thoughts and prayers.

the Minutemen are all psychos. their "mission" isnt to help America, these sick fks just want to kill Hispanics.

SICK is right! another case of incredibly tragic loss of life, with the devil's primary tool of SELFISHNESS as the root cause.

I am glad that this worthless piece of human garbage took himself out, saves the tax payers the cost.

This Ready was a coward. He should of done the noble thing and just offed himself. For all you bleeding hearts with your concentration camp and pick on the illegals comments........why don't you adopt and support these criminals that break laws and the ones that sneak into this country and SAVE the tax payers a lot of money.

Maybe society should have done more to try to understand him.

@ Weallhaveopinions, I live here in AZ, and yes you absolutely can carry a concealed weapon in bars (and now state parks too) in AZ. AZ business/bar owners can hang a sign in a window or on a door saying that guns are not permitted on the premises, but if there is no sign, guns are permitted. Now recently our wacked out state legislature tried to pass a bill that would allow concealed weapons on all college campus in the state, but it was met with a veto (or a threat of veto, I can't recall if it actually got to her desk) from Brewer after a hell of a lot of activism from the residents of the state and law enforcement agencies. Law enforcement agencies were against that bill from the beginning, but the GOP legislature tried to pass that insane ALEC written bill anyway....

Why would she sack up with a self-proclaimed hatermonger! This guy is a pure example of racist mentality destroying this great country! Why did this pig have to murder a baby, how evil can you really be? Sick world this card toting tea bagger is on a express trip to hell. good riddens. RIP to the baby she is the true victim of this, everybody else should have distant theirselves from this royal POS!!!!!

Ken Wulf - Keep talking. You need to be locked up. Hope you get recogized before it's to late.

Another right-winger shows his true colors.

And check THIS from his Facebook page: Here's some extremist right spin. Orwell must be proud.

JT Ready for Sheriff

16 hours ago via mobile

Reports are unconfirmed that a cartel assassination squad murdered JT Ready and several of his friends and family this afternoon in Gilbert Arizona. This page's admin will keep you updated of the situation as soon as possible.

Go ahead people, believe the media. But where you there?

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Any time this many liberals rush to judgement I get suspicious, too. Let's wait until the investigation is over before we pronounce on this. If it's already over, it wasn't much of an investigation. Easy answers are always inaccurate or incomplete. Some of you probably think Ruby Ridge was a justified action on the part of the FBI, later court rulings say otherwise, so wait a little on this one.

" The Republic reported that authorities believe Ready killed himself after shooting the others. "

Really? I would've thought for sure that he killed himself first and then the gun magically killed everyone else. Do these idiots proof read what they write before printing?

If this story weren't real, on one would believe it since it is so cliched.

Red neck neo nazi gun loving douche bag goes postal and kills family in the most lawless ass backwards state in the Union.

Rorschach - Classy. Assuming all right leaning individuals are racist is like assuming all left leaning individuals are on welfare.

I was raised as a conservative... I was also raised to believe that racism was ignorant and small minded. Generalizations can also make a person seem ignorant and small minded.

@ Elder & The Bruce, are you two serious???? It was a murder/suicide perpetrated by a KNOWN Neo Nazi on his own family! What the hell do you think needs to be sorted out???

To Bruce-5866010. They other daughter was in the house jack wagon. There was no cartel squad and this coward and pathetic excuse for a man killed these people.

@ tombones, funny you mention the Republic's piss poor writing :) I don't get the Republic, but I do read AZCentral stories on the iPad, which is their web format. The Republic often posts very confusing and poorly thought out headlines....and their content is often pretty poor too. Can't tell you how many spelling/grammar mistakes I find in their stories (and I'm no spelling/grammar expert either). The Republic is the worst paper I've ever read in those regards...and I've read a lot of papers from around the country in my life!

Its ALL totally LEGAL he had a permit to carry he is one of the GOoooooooood people with a permit. Only good people have permits where are all those other good people carrying a gun permit.

@2.2, IvanMiami, are you sure about that? The mother & daughter's last name is Mederos. That's not Hispanic?

I don't see a difference between the two.

You don't sound much different from them yourself.

BTW, the baby's father's name is Jess Boggs. Not that any of this ethnic classification really matters, but I think IvanMiami has it backwards. The killer's girlfriend, Lisa Mederos, was Hispanic, as was her daughter Amber. The toddler Lilly was the daughter of Jess Boggs and Amber Mederos.

This "cruel and controlling" white supremacist was dating a Hispanic woman while at the same time insulting her granddaughter for being half Hispanic. It makes no sense, but then again, lunatics rarely do.

arizona won't change unless we dems stick together and rally out here. we had a dem governor, who was voted one of top five governors, but obama grabbed her to help in washington when he got into office. and got brewer by default. it's her methods of how she achieves things, not what she achieves that is detrimental to the people of arizona. she allowed all people on the transplant list in this state to die. then, the adults who had no access to health care other than the state, to die, who were out of work. i'll take issue with this. my husband unfortunately was one of those people. he lived here seventeen years, built hundreds, if not a few thousand of beautiful homes in the northeast valley. fell victim to the housing collapse and was laid off. collecting unemployment, suffering bad health, he could only go to a doctor for baid aids, wouldn't go to a hospital with no insurance. he'd be alive today had the governor not taken away these funds to pay her attorney fees for her current battle in washington. cold and cruel? yes. this is what being republican represents. we're the only civilized, industrialized nation who does not have universal healthcare for its people. it's not about socialism, it's about being a nation that cares and recognizes that people have value. period.

azdad48 Spanish: Mederos Castilianized form of Medeiros. Many Mexican names are spelled different than Spains.

So yes it is a Hispanic Name

Reeblite... sad story and unfortunately, one that very few republicans care about. It's about wealth to the wealthy, not health care to the unhealthy.

So I guess Eric Cantor was wrong when he told that little old lady in VA that there are plenty of charities out there willing to help people like your husband. Imagine that.

Where are all the charities willing to help those without health insurance Mr. Cantor? Where are they?

Hiding behind the wall of lies you and the other GOP members of Congress tell the American public when it comes to health care, that's where.

Please don't be foolish enough to determine peoples ethnicity based on their names. In my circle alone, my last name is a German name, yet the last German in my lineage was over 300 years ago. I am about 99% English now. My wife's last name is old school Italian yet she is 60% Portuguese and 39%% French. I have a friend of ours name is James Wang....he's black, our other friend William Bennett is Asian.........you starting to get the point yet?

So just because her name is Hispanic in origin does not mean she is Hispanic. Just because the fathers name is Gringo sounding, doesn't mean he was a gringo.

Josh Powell

Keller-

J.T. Ready/Neo Nazi

Epidemic.

When will the murders-sucides stop for these innocent family members.

The numbers are growing, The Media focusing too much on the person that kills. Madmen who should have only taken their own life. There will be "more" like this.

You know what's really scary? The posts on this board that are actually calling for sympathy and understanding for this monster.

At first, I thought they were being sarcastic, but sadly, they're dead serious. I'm a Democrat who is greatful that we have the right to bear arms. With scum like this and the people who sympathize with them running around, I'm not going depend on 911 for my protection.

I agree with Marchant -- there will be more.

have you guys ever considered that the reason these Gomers reside in states like Arizona is because of the weather? Nothing to do w/politics...and anyone that uses a story like this to bitch about politics is an idiot.

It doesn't matter what party this POS supported, he was an @!$%# who killed innocent people before he finally had the balls to kill himself. I would imagine that was because he didn't want to deal w/anything negative that would have happened to him when they caught him. Of course, the other jokers who posted he was part of a murder plot would have come up with some other stupid excuse for killing those people.

Let's not forget what happened here...innocent people were killed...including a BABY. All the political whining won't bring them back, nor stop it from happening again if someone decides to do it to someone else. All the bitching about gun rights won't, either.

Ever heard of free will??

who woulda guessed..he looks so plane jane

IvanMiami, you raise an excellent point -- names do not determine ethnicity -- but they usually provide a strong hint as to some part of a person's ancestry.

In another news story, Amber's full name was stated -- Amber Nieve Mederos. For those of you who don't speak Spanish, "nieve" is the Spanish word for snow. If you have seen photos of the victims, the middle name seems appropriate -- Amber was very fair-skinned, as was her mother Lisa.

Arizona has been a melting pot throughout its history, and it is quite common here to meet people with mixed Western European, Southern European and Native American ethnic roots. That's my attempt to say we have many families where one side is of "white" (English/Scottish/Irish/German/French/etc.) heritage and the other side is of Mexican heritage (Spanish/Native American). Sometimes the last name is of Spanish origin, sometimes it is of Western European origin.

The baby's father, despite having the last name Boggs, has a dark complexion. Some would say "brown" or "Mexican." The baby Lilly was also "brown", which kind of explains the disgusting insults from J.T. Ready that the baby was "50 percent ugly" because of the obvious genetic contribution of her father.

Here's a theory. Suppose J.T. Ready, who has been dating Lisa for about 2 years, never thought of her as being Hispanic and never knew of her family lineage. She was after all, a very attractive fair-skinned woman. J.T. was probably not much of an expert on ancestry or the Spanish language, and might never have thought twice about Lisa's last name.

Perhaps the women got tired of J.T.'s racist insults hurled at the innocent young toddler, and informed him that hey, you know, we're part Hispanic too. The resulting mental conflict -- what psychologists refer to as cognitive dissonance -- required some sort of resolution in his mind. His subconscious says on the one hand, "I'm in love with my beautiful Lisa, who is part Mexican" and on the other hand it says "I hate Mexicans."

Sadly, his resolution of that dissonance was to kill everyone, including himself.

It's just my theory, but it's the only way I can understand how J.T. Ready could be involved with this family, dating Lisa, and at the same time be a white supremacist who made disparaging remarks about the brown baby. I think he really didn't know the family heritage of these women, and when he found out, he snapped.

direction needed

Rorschach - Classy. Assuming all right leaning individuals are racist is like assuming all left leaning individuals are on welfare.

I said nothing with regard to Ready's racial views. I said that he showed his true colors. The origin of that expression is maritime:

Showing your True Colours.

To “show your true colours” means to show yourself for who you really are, or to show your true intentions in a given situation. But what are ‘colours’ and how do you show them?

In naval warfare of the 18th century, your ‘colours’ were your flags, specifically, your naval jack (the naval flag of the country which your ship was a part of). Under the Articles of War (the Royal Navy’s code of conduct for nearly 400 years; discontinued in 2006!), when going into battle, you were obliged to run up your colours (your naval flag), to identify the nationality of your ship. If you wished to decieve your enemy, you might run up a different flag than that which belonged to your country, perhaps to make the other ship think that you were an ally. Once you were nice and close, within firing-range, you’d literally ‘show your true colours’ as say, a British Man-o’-War instead of a French one, and open fire on a French warship, catching its crews off-guard and gaining an advantage in battle.

Sailing into battle under false colours went against the Articles of War, but unscrupulous captains and officers who cared more for payback and beating the enemy than stuffy rules and regulations, would often go into action with false colours in order to gain the element of surprise.

http://scheong.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/showing-your-true-colours-the-naval-origins-of-some-popular-english-phrases/

This is all horrible, but what I really can't understand is a woman who would hook up with a guy who considered her children to be of an inferior race. she actually let this scumbag MOVE IN WITH HER. What the hell?

I'm glad this self absorbed loser is gone, but it's horrible he decided to slaughter own family first. Just like the original Nazis, these Neo-Nazis are nothing but mutants trying to distract of the fact that they are the lowest of the human race.

Can we vote to have Arizona's statehood revoked? And to the normal people in Arizona.....what the hell are you still doing there?!?!

Hey drainbramage...he's talkin to you!

We have yet to see proof of this. You people believe everything you are told. They havent even conducted an investigation and are already smearing this mans name. I would hope if me and my family were murdered they would atleast do an investigation before saying I just went nuts. This man did alot of good for his community. Where is all the talk of that?

We have yet to see proof of this. You people believe everything you are told. They havent even conducted an investigation and are already smearing this mans name. I would hope if me and my family were murdered they would atleast do an investigation before saying I just went nuts. This man did alot of good for his community. Where is all the talk of that?

See what I mean? Four dead bodies (one, a child) and he wants to see proof -- we shouldn't jump to the conclusion that the man was nuts AND a loser. There were people who defended Hitler, too, because he "did a lot of good" for them.

Your Honor, I rest my case.

This man did alot of good for his community. Where is all the talk of that?

What did he do for his community that wasn't in his own best interests? Start listing things so people have something to talk about. Are you one of those conspiracy-theory crazies? Do you really think every time the police make a statement they are lying? Paranoia's grip is getting stronger every day...

appalachian

con·cen·tra·tion camp

Noun:

A place where large numbers of political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities are imprisoned

His usage of "concentration camps" is correct. The Nazis didn't have a lock on the words "concentration camp". The United States placed Japanese Americans in concentration camps during World War II as well. Perhaps you should take your own advice and crack a book sometime.

You post the definition but you can't even read it?????? Even cracking a book can't help you!

Since when is a convicted prisoner a political prisoner? It is defined as someone who criticizes or opposes their own gov't. Those people committed actual crimes and broke laws on the books. There is no political agenda behind it. No one gets a DUI or robs a bank out of protest. And even if you could find one case, you couldn't find enough to make up the whole prison population. SO what would it be? A concentration camp for 1 guy and a regular prison for the other 99?

And the last time I checked AZ had a diverse prison population. NEITHER qualifies AZ's tent cities as concentration camps. You people will spin anything to villainize someone you don't agree with. Sheriff Joe has plenty of other despicable acts for you to choose from. Might as well help your credibility and pick something ACCURATE!

Herman Cain, do you know how many skin heads are in Oregon, Idaho even California. Take a good look at any state and you will find people killing people, and guess what they aren't right wing nut jobs.

The guy was a Neo Nazi (Nazis are/were fascist), yet belonged to a white supremecist socialist group. What the hell? These people are simply unintelligent, ignorant subhumans. They're the same people who have strong political/social opinions that are based on absolutely nothing but ignorance.

"If the masses are insane, the sane have to go to the asylum."

. Emerson.

I am ready!!

they flock to arizona where the government here is breeder friendly.

Then his facebook page has the Idea to blame it on the Cartel's? Yeah way to spread some more misinformation to this A-holes cause. I hope he comes back reincarnated as a Female Mexican national.

'controlling'?

What a surprise - that's what nazis do. Go nuts!

Filthy cowards like JT Ready is the kind of Trash that Janet Brewer, Sheriff Arpaio, Teabagger trash, FAUX and NRA look up to and honor

Crimes like these coming from Racist Capital Arizona .....

Whose surprised?

you are so right justina....and dont forget the republication party

Thank gGod for Jan Brewer lets all keep encouraging her to keep the trash

Adam, socialism is used one of two ways. socialism as an economy is a way of moving money through the people and the government. The Neo Nazis like to add socialism to their name, although they don't use it correctly. Socialism is an economy. Capitalism is an economy. My idealogy is socialist democrat. I believe in democracy, but I also believe in the economy that takes more care of its people, has a good safety net, utilities and transportation run non profit for the people. The neo Nazis like to use it because Hitler joined the Socialist party in Germany (they forget the part where he got rid of all the good socialists in the party and took it over as a right wing Faschist government. ) Socialism as gotten a bad name, and in our country everybody thinks Hitler when they think socialism. However, they don't think that when they think of Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Canada, etc.

Background checks for gun ownership are a joke. As long as you don't run afoul too far from the law and don't seek proper treatment if you are mentally ill you can own any gun you choose (even a machine gun with the correct paperwork). The picture of this guy says enough. Insecure and paranoid he hides behind his weapon. It is his manhood.

Allowing someone like this into your house is as dangerous as bringing in a pit viper.

There's a special place in hell reserved for this piece of filth.

May the victims rest in peace. Especially the 16 month old child.

But I thought everyone who had a concealed carry permit was just a law-abiding citizen that wants to stand up for their rights? There's no way that it could be encouraging psychotic sadists to use it as an excuse to stand behind a "right" so they can use weapons to intimidate and advance their militant "causes".

Shanad..I so agree. Since when did the Constitution ever intend to give the right to nut jobs to be armed to the teeth or create their own militias for no purpose other than to intimidate anyone in sight? Most Americans agree that there are certain circumstances where the Second Amendment rights apply. But what we have in this country today are a bunch of Dambos ready to take out anyone who disagrees with them. Is this civilized? So what it comes down to is lack of civilized behaviors.

The NRA can continue to make all the excuses it wants to for their "right to bear arms". In the end, when some nut job executes his prey as he was always intent on doing sooner or later, that's when the dividing line between who really needs protection becomes a mandate to stop the flow of guns in this country from killing innocent children. Now a toddler is dead. A whole lifetime gone with a single bullet by a superjerk gun rights nut job. How many more children do we martyr to give these brainless bullheads their way? All they care about is forcing all of us to do what they want.

Children in the US cannot safely attend school anymore. Teachers and cops are at high risk of ending up dead because some Ahole thought he taught his kid respect for guns. Whose rights are really being violated MORE?

ewent.....Do not bring the NRA into this please. I have been a lifetime member of the NRA and they do not promote the craziness that has happened in Arizona. You cannot blame the NRA every time some nut case goes balistic. Do you know how many people are slashed and stabbed to death by knives? Should we ban all cutlery? What about baseball bats? Should they be banned also because people are beaten to death with them? What about the countless other ways people are murdered, pipes, hammers, etc. I would suggest you do your research on the NRA before you make biased and untrue statements.

Guns dont kill people its just a tool, he would have done it with or without a gun. And when did this report start asking republicans and democrats to start blaming ech other for this?

One bad apple spoils the bunch.(I am not referring to neo-nazis, just citizens who choose to use their 2nd ammendment rights)

Time to "DeBunkie" a myth here.

People blame the NRA for a very good reason. First let me say, I support "the right to bear arms". What I do not support is "the right to bear an Uzi". As long as the NRA takes the extreme stance of defining anything with a trigger and a powder propelled projectile as a "gun", I'll continue to define the NRA as a bunch of rabid nutjobs who touch themselves whenever a new piece of "ordinance" comes out.

I get the fact that you can't generalize that all NRA members are gun toting lunatics. Unfortunately, when the public voice of your organization is what people see, most folks attribute the characteristics of "the whole" to "all parts". Just remember. Even though you may not support the extreme position of your group, the money you provide them goes to that purpose.

The NRA is no different than organizations like ACLU or the NAACP. Each one has a "noble" goal that too often is coopted by radical factions within the organization and the commonsensical goals get thrown to the wind to advocate the most extreme position to draw attention. The media, of course, feeds this image by interviewing the most extreme members of the lunatic fringe within the organization... and viola. It's how a stereotype is born.

If you continue to support the NRA, don't be shocked when people call you out on the extreme positions adopted by your affiliate.

This is not about respect for guns, it is about respect for human life.

That gun did not make that man kill, he did that all by himself. Blaming guns is just another attempt to diminish personal responsibility.

Bunkie11 , true up to a point , I own guns myself , but I support anything that makes a person have their background and mental state checked thoroughly . When the five day waiting period was inacted , I laughed , because my state already had a 15 day waiting period . Besides , you can't kill anyone from ten feet away with any of the other items you mentioned , unless you're really good at throwing a knife .

This has nothing to do with if we should have guns, republicans, democrats, the NRA or the governor of Arizona. This guy was a nut job that has a place in hell.

And one other thing. Please - don't use the "should we ban baseball bats, or knives, or <insert your favorite item here>" too, excuse.

Baseball bats are used to play baseball. Knives and cutlery are used for eating. You can argue that guns are used for defense (and I'll support your contention). You can also argue that guns are used to procure sustenance (I'll support that one too). To say that you need an Uzi to do either is simply crazy. If you need 300 bullets to kill one deer, you have no business holding a gun.

Mr Stupidity: Guns are used for hunting and yes sometimes defense. I would use a gun as a last resort if someone came onto my property and threatened the life of my children and family. Would you not do the same? Would you not use any means available to protect your children and family....ie, baseball bat, knife, etc. You are a hypocrit in my eyes and I do suggest your research before making any more ridiculous comments. You are intitled to your opinion. As I am intitled to mine. I will fight for the right to bear arms. And yes, I would use a gun to protect my family. And I am sure you would do the same......conversation ended.

I hate people that compare knives, bats and whatever to guns. So stupid. When is the last time you've heard of a stabbing spree? Or a batting spree involving multiple deaths? Don't be a gun toting moron. You embarrass us all with that crap. At least with any other weapon people have a chance to get away or defend themselves. I swear guns make people stupid. God too. Thats their answer to all problems. Guns and God. Guns and God or religion equal death. Period. Read a few history books and you will get the gist of what you need to know to back up my thought.

Again another uneducated person using name calling to make a point. You have disappointed me and I am ashamed that people like you need to stoop to such a level. The name fits you well.

I have a very profound education thank you. And who did I call names? I said, if you read it correctly, don't be a moron, not you are a moron. Oh, and name calling is stooping so low? Please, spare me your useless speech. Save it for the kids. We are adults here. I think everyone here can handle some adult conversation without your needless input.

I've own guns since I was 12, I am now 65. It's one thing to have general acceptance of competent gun ownership, it's another thing to bend all of your resources to put an assault rifle into every home. The NRA has made it so easy for anyone to own a gun, American has become a killing ground. My only hope is all the gun-crazies will have a shootout someday and finally do away with each other, and the NRA, and responsible gun ownership will ensue, till then, may the people who lose their lives from gun violence find peace, including 16 month old babies. NRA shame on you.

The killer was running for Sheriff as a Democrat.

He was a racist democrat, murdering thug.

While that may seem like the NRA's fault,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it is not.

In reality, the Constitution of the United States of America, made it easy for American citizens to own a firearm, speak freely, express their religious and political beliefs without fear of government retribution, refrain from incriminating themselves, have jury trials, vote in elections and cblame the NRA for things it never did.

If you want to hate,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,blame Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, John Adams and James Madison for giving you so much freedom and liberty.

Karl Marx, Joseph Stalin, Barrack Obama and Chairman Mao,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,have other plans.

Nookie trumps all, race and politics included.

So Paid, you are telling me that every decision that our forefathers made for us are relavent today? Please man, don't give me the "guns equal freedom" crap. You are riding your ideals on old and outdated theology my friend. You also have the right to overthrow the government. Pretty realistic right? Relavent today? No. It's not. They, our founding fathers, as you hold so dear, were slave owners too. Did you know that? Also, they used to eat shtt and sleep too.

Paidmyfee -

The Founding Fathers weren't couldn't see into the future. I honestly wonder - if they knew to what degree technology would evolve - what would they have said?

The right to bear arms was included as a basic right - not because they wanted a lot of gun toting nutjobs out there. The idea of the right to bear arms traces it's history back to the English Bill of Rights. There's an excellent recap of the history of "the right to bear arms" here:

Guns were secured for people to 1) provide for a common defense, 2) allow self-sufficiency (in terms of hunting game) and 3) provide for individuals to defend themselves.

As an added benefit, the Founding Fathers also recognized that the right to bear arms that was given to all English citizens through the English Bill of Rights also allowed for the citizentry to defend themselves against an oppressive government.

None. Not one of those four is a reason to have a weapon capable of mowing down 100 people in 20 seconds. And as for hating the Founding Fathers, how could we? They gave us the best tools they had available to secure our freedom and liberty. My concern is that no document is truly timeless... even the Bible (sorry, to my fellow Christians out there) - but we have a tendency to hold the Constitution up to be an unalterable document. Even the Thomas Jefferson said,

I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.

I don't mean to suggest that in this case the Constitution - or the Bill of Rights - requires altering. The right to keep and bear arms isn't damaged by limiting access to Uzis any more than limiting our access to bomb-making materials or nuclear weapons.

Someone who is intent on killing doesn't care what the weapon of choice is.

Hate in any form is a mental illness. Most professionals know this. When you consider how casually proliferated that word "hate" is today, it has become acceptable to hate. Hateful behaviors therefore become acceptable. Hate is acted out in many ways.

When a guy is armed to the teeth as this nut was, anyone he conned into his evil lair of narcissisism is his prey, not his family. This is a professional con artist actor who turns on the charm with women while he hides his deep dark demons. The minute he realizes he can use his guns to intimidate everyone around him, he begins to feed on their fear of him like some alien life form.

Whenever I encounter someone so full of hate, I see clearly their own self-loathing and isolate them from my circle of friends. Who has time for such hatefulness? Let control freaks wallow in their own self-hatred.

And now we have to witness the open invitation to bring guns into the Republican convention in Florida. What an invitation for all the sickos to show off their hate and gun collections.

My heart goes out to all the families who are victims of these hate filled killers. My sympathy also goes out to the law enforcement who have to handle these nut cases who have the NRA laws on their side.

Ok, the media is always right. What really happened, he wondered.

I see we have a new troll today.

Otto Borden -- you, along with the rest of us, are astounded and abhorred by the actions of people like
Ready. It is difficult to understand how a person can allow themselves to be so consumed by hatred that they commit such atrocious acts. But -- here's the thing -- we each make a choice to either continue to allow the evil feelings to erode the good that is in each of us or we get help. Help is readily available --please talk to a counselor -- just concerned.

kugelmum

And now we have to witness the open invitation to bring guns into the Republican convention in Florida. What an invitation for all the sickos to show off their hate and gun collections.

The city wants to suspend carry privileges while the convention is active. The convention site itself is off-limits to firearms.

There is no "open invitation", just business as usual.

So let me get this straight only Republicans own guns, well I'm an Independent and own four, one I Inherited from my sister who passed away. Never pointed it at anyone never shot at anyone. Some how I don't think the majority of gun violence has been done by Republicans or members of the NRA

I'm 59 years old, a granny, I've been shooting guns since I was 10 years old. I can hit a 22 shell in the air with the 22 rifle. I have no problem with rifles, and even revolvers, however, I cannot see any use in someone using an automatic with 31 bullets. Guns are only more dangerous than bats and knives, in that you can use them from a distance. I realize that Archie Bunker said, "Would it make you feel any better, little girl, if they was pushed out a window?" when Gloria complained about guns.

I was an NRA member for quite a few years. I do understand that after Canada took away guns several years ago, that we need to protect our rights to have weapons. But a machine gun is a bit of an overkill (pun intended). Hunting rifles, even revolvers are allright, in my view. But a machine gun, an Uzi, an elephant gun is too much.

I'm a conservative, and trust me, this guy and his ilk are no allies of mine. He is (was) a criminal.

@William great observation you pretty much summed it up

There's always one that will turn things like this into some political issue.... because your political affiliation is so much better or more correct.

Right wing, left wing, who the hell cares. How about this was one sick POS who needs to have his burning body drug through the streets.

There's conservatives, then there's the "right wing weirdos." I am neither, but can see the difference. There's a special place in hell for this SOB. My thoughts are with the remaining family members and friends.

Good day to all.

Hate to burst your liberal bubbles but, the guy registered as a Democrat when he filed to run for Sheriff. Try to be informed rather than just opinionated.

waterguy, are you saying people don't 'infiltrate' another party to be elected and then show their true 'colors,' like 'blue-dog' Democrats?

waterguy, being a Democrat is not the same as being a liberal. For example conservatives SAY they want a smaller government but Republicans keep trying to expand government's power and influence over people, particularally people they don't like (ie women, homosexuals, non-christians, minorities, etc).

Try to be informed and accurate instead of just opinioned.

Guess you missed the fact that he was also part of the OWS crowd. Just google occupy phoenix guns and you'll see him everywhere.

Way to be closed-minded and bigoted. Making huge assumptions and labeling large groups of people based on the behavior of a few. I thought your side was supposed to be better than that! LOL

Uh? Ken - It's Okay to write @!$%#ing but not @!$%#?????

@ Imbri, I live in AZ, this guys was associated with Neo Nazi groups, the TEA PARTY, and has photos all over the place with he and Joe Arpaio and Russell Pearce! I really despise the way turds like you skew things....you're not fooling anyone...

Ready attended and spoke at TEA PARTY rallies, but he did appear in a video where he attended an Occupy Phoenix rally....to mock them with sarcastic comments of support....but you're type probably still thinks Colbert is right winger too....smh...

BTW, the Nazi group that Ready was associated with (American Third Position) has sponsored no fewer than ten Tea Party rallies in in six states and says the Tea Party rallies are "fertile grounds" for recruitment...

A h humor... the great equalizer. Very funny veteran

@ Ken: Take your meds, dude. Having passion about your beliefs is one thing, but you're just making yourself look like an ass and giving the rest of us non R's a bad name.

@ Eric 60watts: Would you like to be the pot or the kettle? Just because one person is making assumptions, don't lump the rest of us in with him/her.

@Jdp- he just adds to the bad name you already have

According to his election page he is a registered DEMOCRAT. He is part of a SOCIALIST MOVEMENT. I believe he was a republican at one point but he was kicked out of the party. I know you liberals would love to paint him as a right wing nut, but it is unfortunately not the case this time. CRAZY does not take a side, I don't think he was republican or democrat, he was a narcissist and psycho, end of story.

I did not know that a Nazi was an automatic right weirdo. Here is one definition of Nazi, "a person who is fanatically dedicated to or seeks to control a specified activity". Sounds like what our government is trying to do with everything.

@ Denver, please tell me how many Liberal/Progressive Neo Nazi groups there are. I can tell you that the group Ready belonged to sponsored at least ten Tea Party rallies in six states and said they were "fertile grounds for recruitment"...funny, they didn't sponsor any Liberal/Progressive events?? I wonder why??

Nice attempt at deflection though....

He was not running as a Democrat. I live in AZ.

That is what LEFT wing wants to do KILL EVERY CHRISTIAN They hate every one that believes in a GOD Muslim, Jew, christian, and so on. They want to take your guns away so it is easier to KILL you when they send to ORDER out.

Auto 101.....please seek psychological help....

@andi-1045453

He was kicked out of the republican party and was running for sheriff as a democrat. Paul Babeu was the republican candidate for sheriff

No, just the stupid ones auto.

Adolf Hitler was the leader of the National Socialist Party in Germany, better known as the Nazi PARTY???? And the WAFFEN SS was the unit that started out as his personal body guards.

If all Republicans are right wing nut jobs who love to kill with their guns then why are there so many of you open minded self righteous Liberals still walking around. Free your minds

Only the honorable members of the U.S. Government. They currently have been working furiously on efforts to export terror back to our southern friends...hope it happens fast.

Disclaimer: Exporting terror to foreign lands is the sole right of official organizations, and as such is prohibited to individuals unless prior authorization is granted. Although authorization may be granted, said organizations reserve the right to prosecute at their leisure. You have been warned.

....extremely ignorant comments regarding gun laws......how do gun laws have anything to do with this incident?............no type of gun law/restriction will ever keep guns out of the hands of psychos/criminals......the sooner all you ding-dongs realize this, the safer life will be for everyone.............in case you haven't noticed the trend : criminals prefer unarmed victims............................... God bless the U.S.A......................................

It absolutely is true that right wing neoconservatives will do almost anything to force their man in office. Look no further for proof of this than the Cantor's Young Guns campaign group who mailed out thousands of Republican campaign literature to registered Democrats telling them to vote as Republicans for Luger. In a primary? How desperate to force their will on voters is that?

Why all the complaining about illegals..can't we all get alonge? Let's just let everyone from Mexico into the U.S..

Make sure taxpayers cover their medical expenses and provide their children with an education. Ensure that the illegals become educated enough to take your children's future jobs. Do not complain about the crime and keep hiring more police. Ignore the 3rd world sanitation standards at your restaurants. Allow them a $2,000 refund even thought they pay no taxes.

Jw101 , From the Native American point of view , we're ALL illegal immigrants . I am of Irish decent , the same things said about Mexicans now , were being said about my ancestors 100 years ago . " They're all criminals , they're taking all our good jobs ! etc. " I believe anyone who wants to come here should be allowed , it's always benefitted us . However , I DO object to " press 2 for Spanish " . I do say they should be forced to learn English , after all my great grandma didn't come here expecting to speak Gaelic . Pudga ma hone to that ! ( Irish for kiss my a** )

Really?....the old "native American" garbage? Can we discuss this like adults?

Sorry mark-1600259.....since you believe "anyone who wants to come here should be allowed", then you won't mind paying for millions of illegals and dealing with their crime and lack of education. I DO !!

As a veteran, I didn't enlist to protect the rights of any greedy loser that won't fix their own country and freloads on us instead. I "have a heart" but I also have a brain.

Or the warm and fuzzy type Neo-Nazi...

Why would ANY woman in her right mind get involved with that kind of person? Once she knew what he was all about, she should have kicked his sorry @ss to the curb, not let him move in with her family! How hard up for a man in your life do you have to be to put up with crap like that?

Most sensible post on this board, Freedom72

When will these poor desperate women ever learn?

Sad

Why would ANY woman in her right mind get involved with that kind of person?

most women are stupid and most men are scum.

Well, Auto, talk about generalizations. I would have to change that to a few women are stupid and most men are scum. Just kidding LOL

No, what we need is a government that can protect us from heavily armed, paranoid wack jobs like this guy. And, apparently, from people like YOU.

Dwight, I'm sure 'God' wouldn't be too happy concerning an organization who believes THEY have the right to change the Constitution or State laws to fit their agenda. What is really ironic is the fact that there is the majority in the NRA who call President Obama a Socialist and Hitler, yet THEY are the ones seeking an 'all white' America, with more 'militia' groups sprouting up all over the U.S. in the past 4 years than ever in history, some using veiled threats for anarchy/violence against ALL forms of Government. Hate isn't just a sin, it's a disease.

Yes, because the answer to all our problems is more government. That's been working out great for us unlike before when the government had less power and control.

When the executive VP of the NRA Wayne LaPierre claims in public that Obama's total lack of attacking gun rights in his first term is PROOF that he will destroy the 2nd amendment during his second term in an unbeleiveable conspiracy AND NO ONE IN THE NRA CHALLENGES THIS UNBELIEVABLE FANTASY, it's proof that the leadership of the NRA has gone off the deep end in to bizzaro world. http://www.nrapublications.org/index.php/11920/obamas-secret-plan-to-destroy-the-second-amendment-by-2016/

Your Average rank and file NRA member isn't a bad person. The leadership of the NRA has gotten lost and confused apparently by believing in only thier own rhetoric.

WE, since you are busy being specious, maybe you didn't receive the memo stating that more illegals have been deported under Obama's Administration than in the previous years. Just thought I'd catch you up on the latest info.

I have had more than 1 NRA solicitor hang up on me when they call me telling me that Obama is trying to take my guns and I should give them money. I ask them to cite a single piece of legislation. If they cant answer me that I insult them until they hang up on me.

McPeter==Its usually you keyboard loudmouths that sissy out. Look in the mirror. No, i bet your looking in the mirror quite a bit. Admiring your strapped on (gun) courage.

Hasn't the protection of citizens been the function of government since we came out of caves and started cultivating crops, Thagg? Don't worry, I'm not going to try to stop you from defending your mammoth carcass.

McPeterGriffin: Good morning. It IS the governments job (Police, Military, etc.) to protect the people. Are you suggesting that everyone should be armed and when there is a dispute, may the best/fastest shooter be declared the NON-PUSSY?

Saint of Circumstance... you are truly NOT a Lost Sailor.

However, a Saint of Circumstance without a Lost Sailor is a crime. See Summer RFK 1986.

This must be heaven.....

On a side note, I believe there's a true business opportunity for the people who create a moderate Gun lobby. I believe there are many gun owners like myself who would love to see some SANITY in our gun laws. I believe the NRA is too extreme and the time is right for a new, more realistic National gun lobby. The NRA has lost touch.

Oooohh....where's the Dog Star...

Actually, I would have chosen Lost Sailor if it hadn't been taken already.

FANTOMDOG, your claim that "...more illegals have been deported under Obama's Administration than in the previous years..." is just another Obama LIE.

They started counting people that were caught TRYING to enter the US illegally and ran back into Mexico as having been DEPORTED. As usual, Obama wants to DECEIVE the public.

foolishness, your name suits you. My 'claim' isn't one of personal reflection, it has been reported as fact; Since 2009, the annual average number of deportations has approached 400,000, according to the Department of Homeland Security. You deceive yourself, thanks for playing, though.

Saint of Circumstance is a better name than Lost Sailor. Yet, Lost Sailor is a better song. Well, prior to RFK Summer of 86, I always believed it was 1 song with 2 titles. Splitting it up and dropping the Lost Sailor was a true musical travesty. I'm glad I got to see a few LS > SoC before the LS was dropped.

Some days the gales are howling. Some days the sea, still as glass. - story of my life. :)

McPeter: "You know what I call you? A PUSSY."

What's wrong with pussy? I'll bet you like it.

It IS the government's responsibility to "provide for the common defense" to protect the people, without that we would have anarchy.

First, you don't need a gun to do something violent if you're really intent on doing it:

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/strange/article_212408088.shtml

Second, Fantomdog-while you are correct about Obama's deprtation record, prehaps he should do something to stop their entrance into the country.

I suspect that a couple of the posters above actually prefer anarchy because pure anarchy is "survival of the strongest" and based on the content of their posts they believe that they would be the stronger.

Maybe they would, maybe not.

@ foolishness, where do you get your "data"?

I live in AZ, there have been more deportations under the current administration than ever before! Also, in a recent story in the AZ Republic, there are a million fewer illegals in AZ today than 18 months ago (largest drop EVER in an 18 month window) due to increased deportations and lack of construction jobs. Now if the GOP legislature really wanted to work to fix the illegal immigration issue here, they would actually FUND THE LAW that was passed years ago to fine and penalize businesses that knowingly hired the illegal immigrants in AZ! There would be even fewer if they did this...and there would have been no need to pass the BS SB1070 bill. But the AZ chamber of commerce couldn't stand to lose all that cheap labor, so they lobbied (aka, bought off) the GOP legislature so they would not fund the law, after it was passed, to penalize the businesses hiring illegal immigrants. But see, not funding that law actually accomplishes two things for the GOP here in AZ. They get to continue to stoke the fears about all the scary illegal landscapers, cooks and construction workers in our midst, AND they get to keep all that cheap labor while demonizing the people that do the work that lines their pockets. It's a win/win for the GOP....AZ politics at its finest!!!

Our state government here in AZ is the biggest joke in the country....

If you DIP WEEDS think the gov't should be coing more to protect the border than may be YOU SHOULD PAY MORE IN TAXES it takes MONEY to hire some one to guard the border, Az has a BUNCH of RICH people living there they have more to loose soooo maybe they should be PAYING MOOOOORREREEEE

@ R-sticker,

The wealthy business owners and corporate interests here in AZ, that are members of the chamber of commerce, actually paid for lobbyists to make sure that illegal immigrants could continue coming across the border for their cheap labor by not funding the law I mention above in 10.23.

The RICH people in AZ are using the illegals to do their work so the RICH DON"T want to close the borders they would loose their good workers.

Maybe if the RICH people would hire americans and pay them what their worth the illegals would have no reason to cross over if there were NO WORK.

The RICH are the PROBLEM here they hire the illegals they don't want to pay a real sallary that to a real us citizen they don't want to offer health insurance or pay the workers enough to buy their own insurance. YOUR PIGS

If the private sector does not want to hire and pay someone real money and Health insurance than I GUESS the GOV"T will have to

A$$$$$$$HOLES

Where is the news release from the NRA saying they ever supported this man or this type of activity.

Eric Holder has led a program that resulted in more than 200 murders in Mexico and the deaths of three America law enforcement officers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thus far you hear crickets from the left.

It explains why the left always supports government run gulags and death camps. It is only murder when the other guys does it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,right?

It IS the governments job (Police, Military, etc.) to protect the people.

Tell that to some one that has a home invasion. how about the kid that has his arms cut off with a machete. Good thing the police can get their on time. You know that woman that was almost burned to death by her boy friend must be grateful that the police could help her.

@ paidmyfree, nice deflection tactic, way to try and change the subject like a good little right winger....try to stay on topic. The topic at hand is about a right wing Neo Nazi that committed murder suicide....

@ Auto,

"Tell that to some one that has a home invasion"

How about telling that to a family that has lost a child due to poorly secured weapons in the home....

See....isn't it fun to create straw men????

How about telling that to a family that has lost a child due to poorly secured weapons in the home....

Your right lets do this the democrat way we will kill every one in the country if any one kills some one.

Auto 101 - I said it was the job of the Government to protect the people, I didn't say they did it successfully 100% of the time. But what we have is a hell of a lot better than anarchy.

Yes Auto 101, Democrats will "kill every one in the country if any one kills some one"....LOL...

I'm starting to think you're just here screwing with everyone's heads....no one is a ridiculous as your statements suggest in real life....ROFL....

But if you are being serious....PLEASE SEEK HELP THIS SECOND!!!

Chudd sounds like you really hate Arizona yet you choose to live there, please bring on the typical Liberal excuse package, they're always amusing

Hey CRUDD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Eric Holder has killed far more people than this particular idiot and the NRA did not support either of them.

Go ahead,,,,,,,,,,,blame Bush, call me names or rant about something,,,,,,,,,,those really are the only ways leftists respond these days.

@ paidmyfee, it's funny that you say I will just start calling names, when you begin your comment to me by calling me CRUDD :) I wonder if the irony and hypocrisy is lost on you??

Liberals tend to look for a root cause to an issue, and focus on that, while your type likes to cry and scream and fear everything not like yourselves (kind of like JT Ready did). I do not like Eric Holder at all, I think he's done a pretty terrible job TBH, and my biggest problem with the current Administration is its extension of the Patriot Act, failure to close GITMO, and the continued erosion of personal privacy and civil rights/liberties in this country. As for JT Ready, while he was an NRA member, I NEVER said the NRA "supported" him....unless they were backing his run for political office at one time or another and I am unaware.

Now, the FACTS are that JT Ready supported, and was supported, by the Tea Party (he actually spoke at a few rallies here in AZ), and the Neo Nazi group he belonged to sponsored no fewer than ten Tea Party rallies in six different states. The founder of that Neo Nazi group said those Tea Party rallies were "fertile grounds for recruitment" too....look it up! Ready himself was quoted as saying he was mentored by Russell Pearce, a Tea Party member and former majority leader in the AZ state legislature....long after Ready was associated with a Neo Nazi group. So does it make me a "commie Liberal" for stating those facts and saying there's a big problem there?? Instead of crying and acting so persecuted when facts aren't on your side, try owning your violent loonies on the right and get them the hell out of your party instead of letting them fund right wing events and speak at rallies!

@ wlee, AZ is a BEAUTIFUL state, that's why I choose to live here.....but the rest of your post makes no sense? Excuse for what exactly?? Way to make a point...

No, in actuality they won't. That's crazy talk.

He was in the NRA? He got away with it?

The NRA is pro-law enforcement, try and remember that.

Obama was the one selling guns to Mexican drug cartels.

paid, that's ironic, since the militias (with the blessing of the NRA) that have been popping up like popcorn around the U.S. have no qualms over getting rid of said law enforcements if need be. BTW, wasn't Bush doing the same thing, or has your mind gone through a brain freeze from drinking too many slurpees?

Where is the press release from the NRA supporting "neo-nazi militias". Cite one ACTUAL NRA publication as a source for your NRA garbage.

Bush as not doing the same thing,,,,,,,,,,,,,that is socialist revisionist history. The Bush era program was very small and when the Mexican police failed to arrest and recover the firearms they were tracking, they stopped the program.

Obama/Holder thus far, has been responsible for more than 200 murders committed with guns they let walk across the border.

Blaming Bush does not excuse murder. Unless messiah is doing the killing, right? Your seriously distorted worship for messiah is twisted at best. Forty years ago,,,,,,,,,,,,you would have been a Manson follower.

No, this is what happens when a psychotic white supremacist kills his Mexican-American girlfriend (yeah, what is the deal with that?!) and her daughter and her granddaughter and the daughter's boyfriend -- who was a personal friend of his, and who even went out patrolling the desert with him looking for illegal Mexicans.

I'm sure that next time a lunatic goes crazy in your state -- maybe shoots up a school or a McDonalds or something -- you will be the first to say "that's what happens when (conservatism, liberalism, or fill in the blank with your favorite -ism) rules".

Your right about one thing for sure, and that is the word "prey"... for that is what all these armed to the teeth anti-social Republican right wing wackos consider the American populace to be! And their Nirvana is Arizona!

That's exactly it. It troubles me that I am someone's 'prey' just because of my ethnicity or political beliefs. Carrying a gun would not have saved any of those people, that is not the answer.

It is also about such a deranged mind being considered 'normal' within today's political realm. Had he not killed his family and himself, he would be considered a patriotic, gun-owning American, who wanted play a role in American politics, to serve his country, and to protect his fellow man from....yeah whatever....

The point is, that the vast majority of words used to describe this man would not be considered anything but mainstream republican or a little to the right of mainstream.

Now, before you all jump, I am not dissing only republicans here. Whenever extremism – in any form, left or right – begins to creep itself into the mainstream, there will be danger and a loss of freedom for those on the opposing side. Even as I consider myself reasonably to the left, I believe even more strongly that the center needs to stand up and retake this country! When you just have the far left and the far right, you will always end up with two different versions of the "facts"....we need the center!

Concerned: "Whenever extremism – in any form, left or right – begins to creep itself into the mainstream, there will be danger and a loss of freedom for those on the opposing side...When you just have the far left and the far right, you will always end up with two different versions of the "facts"....we need the center!"

BRAVO! Well said! And TOO TRUE! Thank you!

Concerned , I agree , extremism in any form is mankind's worst vice . Unfortunately , people often regard the center as compromising their beliefs . many also equate it with dialectic materialism , a communist philosophy , which because it is communist , too few Americans will give any validity to it . We often refuse to believe that communism or socialism can have any validity at all . I am neither a communist nor a socialist , but I do find valid , thoughts in both . Note to others ; National Socialism and Socialism are two very different things , please pick up and read a few history and poli-sci books before you speak .

While we desperately need the center, the center gets shot at by both sides.

Remember, he was claimed as a close friend by Russel Pearce, the former Arizona politician who recently lost a recall election. The same Pearce who now wants to be personally repaid $260,000, his cost of the recall campaign, the entire original amount of which was donated to him by his supporters.

They would have been correct.

Really, NC? How could the children, or adults for that matter, protected themselves with a handgun against this fully-armed, body-armor clad psycho?

Yes, NC 492358. Only if the two year old had an AK on her.

...and one less vote for Romney. :)

Where do Obama drones get their information?? To they beam it straight through your tinfoil hats?

Now he was "armor clad"? really? NRA supported him? Really? Share with us,,,,,,,,,,a citation from the NRA supporting this man or his actions.

Heck, share the frequency of your transmitter and we will tune in ourselves.

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Ditto.

Unfortunately, it is not illegal to be a Nazi or a communist.

Nothing to spin. He is a criminal while the vast majority of us in the NRA are not.

The vast majority may not be criminals, but your organization enables violent unstable individuals to own guns. Anyone convicted of a violent felony or extreme domestic violence should have their right to own guns rescinded. The same goes for mentally ill individuals and members of criminal and extremist groups. The NRA has become so outrageous in their philosophy that George HW Bush, a life long member, resigned when the NRA made a remark about killing police officers. I forget the excavate quote but it was about aiming for the head to be sure of a kill.

NRA - Everyone is a responsible, abide-by-law patriots until they go crazy and kill someone. Then they're not part of the 'vast majority' that the NRA is talking about.

R Bell, the reality is, The NRA only promotes the 2nd half of the 2nd Amendment; the individual right to bear arms. Even those who have a felony conviction/gun involved are able to circumvent the law via the Fire Arms Act, by way of showing just cause for discrimination, not being able to protect themselves. The only way I can see to 'weed' out potential/future tragedies like this one; PSYCHOLOGICAL background checks of the applicant, including family past history of mental maladies, which the applicant has to pay for to be certified.

R Bell-1536067The vast majority may not be criminals, but your organization enables violent unstable individuals to own guns. Anyone convicted of a violent felony or extreme domestic violence should have their right to own guns rescinded. The same goes for mentally ill individuals and members of criminal and extremist groups.

False. The NRA supports "Three Strikes & You're Out", a program to incarcerate criminals. Also, there is a process in purchasing a firearm called a "background check". This is a function of law enforcement, not the NRA. If a person who buys a gun who is not legally allowed to do so, it is the government's fault (bad record keeping, plea bargains, HIPAA, etc.) that allows it, not the NRA.

R Bell, you are a liar.

The NRA does not "...enable(s) violent unstable individuals to own guns...". The Second Amendment of the US Constitution gives the right to own guns to ALL citizens unless they LOSE their rights for conviction of a felony.

Of course, it IS the Democratic Party that seeks to give these rights BACK to convicted felons because they know that CRIMINALS overwhelmingly vote DEMOCRAT.

BTW, your claim that George HW Bush resigned from the NRA because "...the NRA made a remark about killing police officers..." is another LIE.

Bush SAID that he resigned because of an NRA remark about "jack-booted thugs" but the TRUTH is that he quit the NRA because they refused to support his re-election campaign.

In fact, at the time, there was a grass-roots campaign among NRA members to KICK HIM OUT of the organization because of his abandonment of the principles of the Second Amendment.

Fantomdog

R Bell, the reality is, The NRA only promotes the 2nd half of the 2nd Amendment; the individual right to bear arms. Even those who have a felony conviction/gun involved are able to circumvent the law via the Fire Arms Act, by way of showing just cause for discrimination, not being able to protect themselves. The only way I can see to 'weed' out potential/future tragedies like this one; PSYCHOLOGICAL background checks of the applicant, including family past history of mental maladies, which the applicant has to pay for to be certified.

The NRA does concentrate a lot on the second half because that is the part that is disputed most often. Very few quibble about the "militia".

What "Fire Arms Act" allows felons to purchase firearms? Even a marijuana possession conviction from 20 years ago would make you ineligible. Gun charges are the first thing to be plea-bargained out of a case as they are supposed to be a mandatory 10-year sentence.

What would a family past history prove? Just because a family member has/had something doesn't mean someone will get it. My father & sister are pre-diabetic & hypertensive but I show no signs. Guilt by association?

This sen mccain state, he go all over the world trying to manage the affairs of the office of the president and say's or does nothing about the horrible killing in is own state. He always talking about the president taking the lead, now here's his chance to take the lead in his own backyard! Never happen captian.

Just to confirm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

If a violent neo-nazi kills people it is the NRA's fault, correct?

If a socialist president named Barrack Obama and his flunky Eric Holder allow 2,500 weapons to be smuggled into Mexico and those weapons have thus far resulted in more than 200 murders, including three American law enforcement officers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it's Bush's fault.

Got it.

It is ironic that the folks that claim to want limited government see nothing wrong with unlimited funding of the military industrial complex. There was no "standing army" until Manifest Destiny came about in the 1800's. I fear a Fascist military takeover more than the Taliban, with the types of weapons that are being purchased. I'd rather protect myself with a Thompson and a 100 rd drum than depend on the state.

Cure: Take some Pepto and turn off your computer.

No, not all the people in Arizona are right wing racists... just the legislative branch, the sheriff and governors office and all the people who voted for them. Intelligent progressive inclusive thinkers are unfortunately, for them and the rest of the nation a distinct minority. We feel your pain!

The Southern Poverty Law Center has Ready listed as one of 20 Nativist Leaders. Another Nativist is Kris Kobach, the co-author of SB1070.

They're 25 to 81 years old. Their homes are scattered from California to Connecticut. Their occupations include auto dealer, Web designer, Baptist preacher, documentary filmmaker and full-time border vigilante. They agitate on behalf of policies ranging from mining the U.S.-Mexico border and placing government sniper teams in the desert to the forced sterilization of Mexican women and the immediate deportation of all Latino immigrants and Muslims, regardless of legal status or citizenship.

Check out the other profiles. SB1070 is born out of this hate and is intended to "keep America white". I hope people will start to realize the damage that has been done, not just to AZ, but the other states adopting such vile policy in the name of law and order.

Isn't Kris Kobach a outspoken Romney Supporter and back in January was considered and adviser to Romney on Immigration?

It looks like Romney is trying to back away, far away, from Kobach now but called him an advisor during the primary debates.

Also,according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Kobach works for the Immigration Reform Law Institute, a legal arm of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) which was listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a nativist hate group.

Will come back to bite him in the A$$ and it should.

Socialist... Democrat... same mold...

Neo-nazi/white supremacist/minuteman.....Republicon....same mold

You got that right. I'll be that if someone researched crazies that killed their families and then committed suicide would most likely identify themselves with one of the categories you just mentioned. This should be a lesson to women; marry a Republican and your odds of being murdered by that person is vastly increased.

See what happens when you give a neo Nazi Republican a gun if you don't know what a neo nazi republican is look up tea party in the dictionary and think how many have guns. Now one is running for the White House

you guys are all reaching way out there in left field. So all republicans are nazis, and all democrats are commies? Election years suck, this is more like a bunch of drunk retards screaming obscenities at each other when their favorite teams are in the superbowl. Yup, same sh*t