sounds like the kid might have been fooling around outside with the gun and accidently shot the dad, but you never know if it's something/someone else.

Would have loved to have read some testimonies about their family life from neighbors and family members. If the shooter was the son, was it an accident or intentional? Boy oh boy.... Stupid guns...

Blake-2644321, guns have no intelligence. People do. Stupid comment.

stu·pid/ˈst(y)o͞opid/

Adjective:

Lacking intelligence or common sense.

Technically guns can be stupid as they lack both intelligence and common sense.

Just Saying.

TheAirdog

Blake-2644321, guns have no intelligence. People do. Stupid comment.

stu·pid/ˈst(y)o͞opid/

Adjective:

Lacking intelligence or common sense.

airdog, if guns have no intelligence and the definition of stupid is lacking intelligence then you just proved that guns are in fact stupid.

well, there's a such thing a " out of context" and hatr hurter and tfc74 - you didn't get it.

Soooo in summary:

Blake: "I am against guns in general and feel that lives would be better off without guns in the hands of irresponsible and/or uneducated kids, thus the statement "stupid guns" and wasn't referring to any intellectual capabilities about guns. But I figured common sense would pretty much help folks get the idea.

Airdog: I am pro-guns. But in order to go tit for tat in a comment for a tragic article such as this one where someone used it to post an anti-gun agenda comment, I thought I would ridicule them by using the strictest of logic (which normally doesn't apply in human conversation) to point out that the gun was simply the object used to slay someone, either by accident or on purpose, and that we shouldn't allow this particular situation prevent people from owning guns which, in other situations, might be used to protect or in other responsible and/or recreational uses.

Did that help?

kiki-2629687 Well, there is also being sarcastic, I think Blake-2644321 was and TheAirdog and you didn't get it.

kiki, how was what i said taking airdog out of context?

He should have gotten the Red Ryder BB Gun he asked for at Christmas............If, he was playing around.

To Air Dog-No your stupid reply on Guns, can someone in America, gun loving America, please tell me what your obsession with guns is, all I see is, it is something that kills, I do not even like guns around me, if I see one laying out on a counter or table I feel like I'm in danger because it was made for killing. What attracts you to these objects, are you trying to play Cowboys and Indians, trying to be John Wayne, are you going out in the woods and killing Animals, or shooting cans and jumping up and down like a little kid. How can people even walk around with a gun on them, are you doing that because you are ready to kill someone or something, don't you feel it's not right, do you feel that you need a Horse also, please do not say you have it for protection, I have lived and worked in South Central Los Angeles, I have lived in other bad parts of the US, now I live in Waukegan IL, and this is not a good town, but never once in my 50 years have I ever needed to have a gun. You people have killing in your blood, and please do not bring up the right to bear arms, do you live in the 1700's.

Steve K do you think police officers would be more effective without guns? This was a service weapon. I wonder if the kid was messing with it, sad if they never had "the talk" about the weapon or if the kid played with it anyway :(

guns are terrible things. people are terrible animals. put the two together and usually the end result is terrible.

Steve K - If just seeing a gun on a table frightens you, you have a serious problem. Do you expect it to jump up, dance a little jig, and then blow your brains out? Good grief! Your entire comment is irrational.

Steve K guns are useful tools. No it's not the 1700's. Liberty is Liberty. Don't be a hater. Maybe you should move to North Korea.

steve, guns ARE for protection. cause when an intruder is in your house and seconds away from killing you or a family member police are usually not quick enough to stop it. i have a gun and if there's a situation where my wife or i am in danger i will use it. it's not a matter of having killing in your blood to own a gun ut rather a will to live and for my family to live.

To the comments about my post, the people who should only have guns are Police officers, Military, Border Patrol, to cut this short we all know who should have a gun. To Pugface I'm not being irrational I just do not like to look at something that has killed Millions of people, Moms, Dads, Sons, Daughters, new born Babies, the family Dog, Kids in classrooms, people at there workplace, innocent Mom and Dad sitting on the couch watching TV, crazy Son tells them to close there eyes he has a surprize for them, walks up behind them and shoots both in the head over a video game he was not allowed to play, the ex Military man and this boy who were shooting people while they were getting Gas, or walking thru a parking lot at Walmart, again do I need to go on. Richard do we live in North Korea, No!!!. Again my question has not been answered, what is the attraction, obsession.

Hatr-did you read my post where I say I have never been in a situation in my 50 years where I needed to have or use a gun, and I live and have lived in Gang infested towns, please do not use the protection word as an exuse.

I still can't figure out what being an ICE agent has anything to do with this story. If the father was a an accountant, would the title have been "14 year old arrested in accountant's slaying"???

Oh yeah!! msnbc was hoping we thought an illegal shot the ICE agent based on the title, in order for us to click on the link!!

Nice sensationalist reporting MSNBC, keep up the good work!

@JasonWason- well said! :)

@Steve: I completely understand what you are saying when you feel uncomfortable when a gun is even near you. I have felt that myself on occasion. I guess since you and I (and all those others who share our rationale) are not obsessed with guns and the right to own and carry one we really won't be able to fully grasp what their obsession is. I get that people feel the need to have it as a form of protection as I know that when I am out hiking in the wilderness amongst black and brown bears it is a feeling of safety knowing that if left with no other choice I can defend myself from being mauled to death. I am okay with gun ownership, but I really believe that the gun laws need to be tightened up and better enforced. And, when the 2nd Amendment was written up there weren't any fully automatic machine guns, etc. and law enforcement was minimal at best in some parts of the then very young country. For the most part I would say that the majority of gun owners' are using and owning their weapons in a respectful manner, and then there are the others who use a gun with the intent to intimidate, control, and kill humans. The NRA has such a vice grip on this nation that I don't see anything changing any time soon. They and their groupies have latched onto it and they will not let it go without......wait for it.....prying it out of my dead cold hands. That has always made me chuckle because it is such a ridiculous statement.

steve, if you had needed one you wouldn't be here cause you didn't have one. better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. also, it's your opinion that protection is an excuse not a fact. it's my opinion that protection is a reason not an excuse.

steve: All those people you named to have guns, are just PEOPLE. They are the same as the rest of us.

Guns are power. Power corrupts. If you give the power to only a few, the rest become slaves.

There is a certain artistry regarding guns, they are well-machined hunks of metal. A lot of people are collectors, and are really into the different styles available, particularly older, 'historic' guns. Myself, I like fireworks and other pyrotechnic devices. Things that go boom and blow up are fun to me, so I like guns that kick like a mule and have a big response. As a side note, there is almost a sense of tradition to it; I have a loaded Mossberg 12-guage shotgun in my closet, just like my father, and his father before him. Of course, my forebears had more reason for it; scare off a coyote, or shoot a rattlesnake in the yard, etc. Mine just sits there, and will probably never be used for anything.

On the other hand, listening to a lot of other gun owners, there is something very disturbing going on. Many like to talk big, guns make them feel powerful. Quite a few seem to be itching for an excuse to use theirs on another human, and have fantasies about the kind of person they'd like to shoot (Thieves, thugs and liberals are often at the top of the list, at least that's how they talk). There are a number of idiots running around with a gun on their hip, like they live in the 'wild west'. There are fools like George Zimmerman stashing a gun under his coat and walking around at night looking for trouble. These folk are, in my opinion, both violent and emotionally retarded, having never grown out of their childhood fantasies (yes, John Wayne movies play a part). They don't seem to understand that unnecessarily holding lethal force in public is both juvenile and dangerous, and they scoff at and disregard those (like yourself) who understand the dangers of letting the emotional equivalent of a ten-year-old walk around with the capability to easily and quickly kill a human being.

I am alive today because of my use of my right to carry a concealed firearm. That is an inarguable FACT. It is also an inarguable FACT that liberals are saying (by default) that people like myself who effectively use firearms to defend themselves deserve to die brutal deaths so that they can live in their gun free utopia. You can't get much more hateful than that!

LOL The Progressive Liberal Democrats- the party of 'hate thy neighbor!'

HATR_HURTER

guns ARE for protection. cause when an intruder is in your house and seconds away from killing you or a family member police are usually not quick enough to stop it. i have a gun and if there's a situation where my wife or i am in danger i will use it. it's not a matter of having killing in your blood to own a gun ut rather a will to live and for my family to live.

Agreed 100%.

How the story ended for a gun owner:

http://www.wndu.com/localnews/headlines/37073429.html

How the story ended for a couple who didn't own a gun:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117695/Brutal-home-invasion-Oklahoma-couple-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html

With anti-guns laws, only criminals will have guns.

And about the article: I don't even know what to think, it is disturbing.

pugface: You say Steve has a 'serious problem' being frightened at the sight of a gun lying on a table? Perhaps his 'serious problem' is your kind of attitude.

Lots of people don't like to stand next to the edge of a canyon, because they are acutely aware that they are one small step away from death (gust of wind, trip, push, etc). That may not bother you, hell, you may get off on it, but to belittle them for their sense of survival is rePUGnant.

Lots of people likewise know that looking at a loaded gun means they are one small trigger pull away from death. That is not a comfortable feeling. If you are not sensitive to that concern, you are not taking the lethal power of the weapon seriously, which means you cannot possibly be a responsible gun owner.

With all of these neo-nazis, skinheads, gangbangers, neighborhood-watch-rambo-wannabes, and other hate groups trolling around the country picking people off like flies, I'm not about to give up my gun.

I don't have a love affair with it, nor am I obsessed with it. I look at it as I would any other tool in my house.

People are the problem. If there weren't any, we wouldn't have these problems. Rapture please for the sake of Mother Earth?

On a side note: I love how there is more of a debate on semantics than gun laws on this thread.... Brilliant!

........

NC open heart

People are the problem. If there weren't any, we wouldn't have these problems. Rapture please for the sake of Mother Earth?

NC open heart,

Feel free to set an example by bringing rapture upon yourself then. I hate all the self righteous folk who walk around judging the rest of their species as if their **** don't stink. The mere fact that you exist and are typing those comments means you are just as much of a parasite to your precious mother earth. You eat, you breathe the air, you drive, you use electricity & gas, you buy property, and you reproduce other little parasites. You consume resources. Therefore by existing you are part of what you believe is "the problem".

And yet you are so confused you would accuse this gunman of being part of the the problem. He is killing off people (isn't that what you wanted?) thereby decreasing the surplus population and reducing consumption. If we are going by your logic then every murderer is doing what you pray for and bringing the rapture.

So which is it: Are you a hypocrite? Or do you just like to throw out those comments to sound cool?

Snakebone-Thank's dude, you put it into words that maybe will make sence to these people.

Guns are stupid!!!!!!! Owning them is not.

The gun debate drives me nutts. I am far left and i believe in the right to bare arms.

HOWEVER keep your gun away from me, i know what they can do.. My grandparents were all hunters and I seen the power a gun can do to animal flesh.. Oh yeah here is one, my uncle was in his house had his gun out in his hand and someone that he was having a feud with snuck in and came up behind him and killed him execution style.. SO your whole word to protect yourself is also bs.

AND.. Where do you think all these illegal guns come from...?? Think about it, all you gun owners that sell your guns to people that you have no clue if they can have the right to bare arms and or store your gun unprotected and someone steals it, is where all these illegal gun come from..

YES that is RIGHT, It's all your fault, people that own guns that give them up to the wrong people. So don't give me the BS about black-market, how in the hell do you think they get on the black-market in the first place. Someone broke in to my parents house while we were on vacation and stole a 357 and 22 that weren't properly secured and now 2 guns are on the black-market because a legal gun owner didn't do the proper thing..

So in reality, you need to own a gun to protect yourself from yourself.. If guns never existed sure there would be other ways to kill each other, however a little more energy would have to be exerted chasing someone down with a knife vs just standing back and pulling a trigger.

Also- Hell yeah Snakebone, people will bash whatever they don't agree with because it pisses folks off when you can make an argument make sense..

Why does it surprise you that the kid may have killed his father? This is not the anti gun or pro gun statement, but why are folks surprised. Yes, kids do get angry and they lash out. I don't wanna hear about the kid is just a kid, nope, if you are old enough to pick up a gun and kill someone you ought to be charged as an adult. I am also stating that pull out the he doesn't have the brain development to understand right from wrong, nope don't play that either. He is old enough to know right from wrong and he is old enough to know that he was wrong to do what he did. convict his behind.

no matter which side you are for or against please read this article.

Why The Gun Is Civilization
March 23, 2007
by Marko Kloos

www.lincolnvscadillac.com/showthread.php?t=70835

Since no reports have been issued on this, I would suggest waiting for further details before making statements like that. From the sound of it, it could be seen as either an accidental shooting or the teen did it on purpose. But it's best to wait and see how this plays out before jumping to conclusions.

Where did you here this it is not in the above story? I would wait to let this story play out. I am sure more information will follow.

I have to agree; there's not nearly enough info yet, breaking news. It may well be a case of ignorance and bad luck, where the boy was shooting outside at something (shouldn't have had access to the gun, though) and actually hit his father. At 14 and having an ICE agent as a father, being around the gun on occasion, obviously.... you'd also think he'd know better and may suggest something more.

Either way, wait for the ignorant posts as this is about an ICE agent; controversy sells and tends to bring out the best, the worst, and all in between. Especially given the political climate and this as an election year.

Unfortunately, it is not at all uncommon to find la enforcement officers who treat their families badly. I am not saying that this is the case here, but it is not at all uncommon. Also, when it does happen often nothing is done about it because their brother law enforcement officers protect them. Hopefully this will turn out to be some tragic accident, although I somehow doubt it. I am sure there will be more that will come out about this shooting and the motivation behind it in the following few weeks.

I can understand the ICE officers wanting to honor one of their on who died, but why were so many officers needed to be present at the scene. Who was out there actually doing the job of these two dozen officer while they were standing around at the scene. Unfortunately, this is fairly typical when any law enforcement officer goes down. Any officer anywhere in the area goes to the scene, even if the incident is over/no perpetrator to track down, leaving the rest of the area completely unprotected.

But 3 other ICE agents were shot today in Petaluma Ca. I wonder when MsNBC will post that story. Has Janet approved the media release? Government Media Filters are not required NBC will do it for Obama.

What the hell does the President have to do with any of these shooting?

@Rick: Leroy is a troller. He/she will say just about anything to start something. What I don't understand is those like him/her who diss msnbc for their sensationalism and supposed bias and make inappropriate comments about the reporting. Don't they know that there are other websites they could go to if they are so apparently unhappy with this site? If I don't like something I don't go there. Nobody is forcing me to only read one website's articles.

alaska girl is actually the trollita. don't you have anything better to do, i thought the ratio of men to women is 10:1 in alaska? why can't you be cool like sarah palin? must you comment on every article?

YAR: the person who was shot did work as an ICE investigator, many ICE agents attended his funeral and, apparently, he was shot with his service pistol, i.e. the weapon issued to him by ICE. Those three items make the dead guy being an ICE agent relevant to the story.

Not at all, dirp. This story makes no connection between him being an ICE agent and his death. That a guy was killed and his son arrested is the totality of the story. Whether the dead guy was a butcher, baker or candlestick makers makes no difference.

it has happened before.

I agree with Hatr. Accidental shootings happen all the time when kids are playing with guns, don't realize it's loaded and pulls the trigger. If the kid didn't know how to handle a real gun, the possibility of shooting something/someone accidentally has a very high chance of happening. I mean...unless you can site from a legit source that this was intentional, I'm sorry to say your claim on what the intention of the son was is incorrect.

Ahhhhh, but the government will find the proper spin. Funny stuff....Oops Dad, my bad... Calling 911.

Very well put. Let's get the facts before deploying insults and talking points.

You're absolutely right; the investigation will reveal what transpired, but I would guess that what happened in about 92% of similar incidents such as this will be that the kid got mad at his dad and just killed him.

Of course his trial defense attorney will blame everybody and everything else EXCEPT the kid, and in California, there's a good chance he won't even serve time End of story.

Tom & David: once the investigation is completed and we get all the facts, then we can deploy the insults and talking points. We wouldn't want to get those launched preemptively, what do you think this is, an internet blog ?

Or, he will sit in prison the rest of his life with the happy feeling that he finally killed the SOB. Until this story and the investigation gets further along we can all play the guessing game or give our own personal thoughts and either condemn the kid off the bat for a cold blooded killing or contemplate that it may have been an accidental shooting. Either way at the end of the day, a man is dead by use of gun.

3 ICE AGENTS SHOT in California today serving a warrant on an Illegal alien.

Well, just being technical here, but allegedly the kid did go out(side) and kill an ICE agent who also happens to be his father.

He DID shoot an ICE agent! It doesn't matter what the occupation of the father was. He was shot. Period. If he had been a doctor or a lawyer, it would have still made the news. Everyone seems to nit-pick on every story that comes across MSNBC. Just wait. . .race, religion and politics haven't shown their faces yet. Give it a few minutes!

May he rest in peace.

ngc1952 - You better stop putting whatever you're putting in your kool aide.

ngc I think you meant the DEA

Evenstar13 - A few facts to help you expand your knowledge base about accidents. A) More people are killed by people driving cars than people accidentally shooting people with guns. B) More people are killed in sporting accidents such as swimming, football, and baseball than people accidentally being killed with guns. C) More people are accdentally killed by drug and alcohol overdoses than people killed with guns. D) More kids are killed by child physical abuse than accidentally killed by guns. Now, you don't see people screaming to ban cars, football, swimming, beer, or prescription medications, and the reason that so many people don't understand that a gun is merely a tool that can be used for good OR bad is that the media has made firearms restricitons an approved crusade. In a perfect world, we wouldn't need firearms, but this world has NEVER been perfect, and the founding fathers of this nation understood this all to well. Restriction gun ownership is not the anwser; but ensuring that people are held accountable for their actings with no excuses MAY BE.

The article did not say anything about an accident, nor did I. All I said was that firearms are so numerous that it is too easy to use one in an act of violence. If everyone were to live by the teachings of our lord and savior Jesus Christ, that is "love your neighbor", there would be no need for weapons of any type. Now that would be a world worth living in, wouldn't it?

@Evenstar: i am sure that you don't follow EVERYTHING in the Bible. I am Christian and as a sinner i know i do not. Yes, it would be nice, wouldn't it, if everyone loved one another. But ever since Eve ate the forbidden fruit there has been sin. If this was an accident than i am sure that he loves his dad, that would make your statement null. Accidents happen whether you love the person or not, thus an accident. Now if it was purposeful, than the devil has a hand in that, not God.

For starters, disarm the incompetent ICE agency

"love your neighbor",

Actually I believe that has been the cause of many a shooting.

All I said was that firearms are so numerous that it is too easy to use one in an act of violence.

And yet the number of firearm related deaths continues to decline.

There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.[4] The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides,[5] with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths.

IIRC last years number of homicides was around 10,000 and as noted in an MSNBC article on the figures released by the FBI it has been going down for 30 years.

Please, we've all had the conversation. Stop blaming the guns. wow...

Yea, I gotta ask, if the guns are all locked up, and an intruder comes into the house, what do you do. Ask him to wait, while you unlock the safe, remove the trigger gaurd??? This must come from people who just don't live with loaded firearms, and plan on retreating the house and dialing 911 from the neighbors.

Chelle, all Fredrick asked was how he got his hands on a loaded gun. Why is that such an unreasonable question? Who said he was blaming guns?

And no, I don't think having loaded weapons in a home with kids is anywhere near reasonable unless they are locked up. Actually, I feel the same way about having them around adults, but that is a different thread...lol.

Why not ask how he got the gun?

The government has tanks, F18 fighter jets, battleships and nuclear weapons.

Do you need your own nuclear weapon to feel "safe" as well?

What a ridiculous statement. We are not living in some third world country where the government's thugs are going to rape and pillage on your property. In first world countries, we have something called democracy (when it's not being cheated by republicans). There are legal and non-violent ways to alter the government and wipe out corruption. Maybe you need less target practice and more education.

@k-stap: you would be surprised the crap that comes out of peoples so-called brains.

And some people feel that the more guns, the less safe we all are. Some feel with some good reason that the guy next to you with a gun who's having a bad day, just got fired, and is pissed off at the world is a much bigger threat than the government shooting us. They also feel that if a gunman opens fire in a crowd and 25 people all pull guns that there is a great chance people are going to get killed anyway...not saved by having all of us armed. It's a different way of looking at the situation and just as valid as wanting to arm everyone.

So how about we all respect that there are points to be made on both sides and move on?

I don't get what Chris Cone is saying, I have never owned a gun in my 50 years and my life is fine.

Dude! Take your meds....please!

JP

How about you prove that is exactly what happened. You go off on people who have a thing against guns yet you fly off the handle claiming the kid killed his father on purpose and claim to know this kid's personality/habits when no where in the article that was stated NOR has the police given any confirmation that is what happened. Sit your butt down, take a breath and stop claiming how things are while you let the police investigate what happened before YOU decide to place blame.

Yes, it is complicated to grasp. In Canada, where guns are tightly controlled, that same 14 year old would probably have yelled at his dad instead of shooting him dead. GUNS ARE THE PROBLEM. It's been proven time and time again that regular folks are far too irresponsible to carry around hand guns. I understand that this boy's father required a firearm for work purposes. How about locking up the firearm at the office after a day's work?

@k-stap: you are right... and its mcdonald's fault for making people fat and it's cigarette's fault for giving people cancer and it's the candy bar's fault for making diabetes worse, and it's the ice's fault for me slipping on it last year and breaking my leg, and it's my pickup's fault (because it has a HEMI) that i get picked up for speeding...

is that enough for you... your argument is asinine...

A gun is not a tool, it is a KILLING MACHINE, plain and simple, it is not a tool, you do not hammer nails with it, screw in screws, if your word is tool, it is a tool for killing.

Cars are designed to get from A to B. Guns are designed to kill things. Stop with the comparisons... you're making yourself sound like an idiot.

When you lose an argument, you shouldn't start name-calling because you have nothing smart to say.

just sayin'....

K-Stap-- I like your comment you are correct, gun lovers will always say something stupid like Doctor Jim did, when ever you argue about guns they will say these things like, Cars kill more people, Knives, Baseball Bats, but guess what, this is not what they were invented for, guns were invented to KILL!!! Cars were invented for transportation, Knives to cut food, Bats to hit a Ball, unless people hit balls with there Rifles, cut food, put wheels and an engine on there gun and drive around.

I bet this kids dead dad wishes he could live with it, lol

OK people get ready to rip me a new one, what Bob W says above is what is wrong with America, the Constitution, Amendments is why this country is so screwed up, following the law of the land from the 1700's, this document needs to be thrown away and a new set of laws written to fit this day and age.

And how many armed burglars have come in to yours or your friend's houses in Texas in your lifetime? I've never heard of it happening to anyone other than drug dealers.

@tacky: I am a liberal also, who believes in gun OWNERSHIP... amazing huh??? i know! I use my guns for hunting purposes, my children do to... they are trained in how to handle weapons. You are right!

@k-stap: you are very stereotypical... i'm pretty sure not all drug dealers are robbers and not all robbers are drug-dealers... strange. A Kirby Vacuum Salesman broke into my friends house and robbed them blind... they weren't drug dealers...

k-stap

It happens everywhere. I've had family and friends have their homes entered by burglars and they live in nice neighborhoods not known for drug or gang activity. Luckily they were not home at the time this was happening, but if they had been, they would have used anything they could to protect themselves including a gun. Guns were meant to protect. It's the responsibility of the individual to use the gun as it was meant to be used and practice proper storage of the weapon. It's those who choose to use the gun in a manner to terrorize and harm others that shouldn't be allowed use of a gun. Just because you have never heard of it happening doesn't mean that it doesn't. Owning a gun is a choice, but it's the individual's responsibility to use it properly. I personally don't own one because guns do make me nervous, but I don't tell gun owners that they shouldn't have them because they do have a right to own and use them when the situation calls for their use.

I'm with you K-Stap, read what I have posted, I said the same thing to these gun lovers, just how many times have they had to defend themselves, I'm 50 and I never have, They use the word protection to make themselves feel better about having a killing machine in there house.

Thanks Sally-a breath of fresh sanity. FYI the Taliban reads the Koran.

Protection!! Protection!! Protection!!

Is the US really such a terrible place that everyone needs a loaded gun in their bedroom in case someone is coming after their family? I think you've been watching a bit too much evening news. I guess the government has done a fine job instilling fear in their population, based off the pro-gun comments I read on this site. Keep falling for it, yokels!

I'm going to assuming your just trolling as you apparently have no idea what actually happens in the world. The government isn't trying to arm the people they are trying to disarm the people. A disarmed people can put up little or no resistence regardless of what the government does.

You must have grown up in some magical place because home breakins happen all the time.

Relying on some government entity to provide with everything is a terrible idea. The police are in place to provide civil order not individual protection. Even in a perfect scenario and you saw someone coming to break into your home you'd have a max of 2 minutes before they were inside and on top of you. The average police/emergency response time is 5 - 10 minutes. As you are on the internet trolling i'm going to assume you not in any sort of pristine shape so anyone that attacks you is most likely going to be armed so they are either going to kill you, severly injure you and or take all your stuff. Either way you wind up a loser in the situation.

The US isn't some magical safe place to live... not anymore. Wait until some natural disaster and you can't just roll up to the store and buy food. Wait until people get hungry. Katrina is a prime example of it. You can troll all you want but it doesn't change the facts.

Bradley- Well this will throw you for a loop, I do not need education and training on guns, I have had plenty, I'm an Armed Forces veteran retired after 20 years of service.

Bradley-you say to K-Stap that he must have grown up in a magical place, I did not grow up in a magical place, I have worked and lived in South Central Los Angeles, I have lived all over the World, I live now in Gang land and in my 50 years, I WILL TYPE THIS AGAIN LIKE I DID IN MY OTHER POSTS, in my 50 years I have never been in a situation that would require me to use a gun, people are just using the words protection as an excuse to have your beloved killing machines.

Exactly, and "law enforcement" is a weapon of the government. Now let's see, how many in the government are actually responsible and intelligent enough, that we should trust the weapon that is in constant circulation?

I don't see in the article that it stated where the 911 call came from. Could have been a cell phone. Just have to wait to get all the details I guess. Tragic.