
U.S. Forest Service
A survey crew on April 20 examines the cabin where six cows perished.
What to do with the carcasses of six cows inside a U.S. Forest Service cabin at 11,000 feet elevation? For the last month, officials mulled burning or blowing them, and the cabin, up; or hauling them out via cart or helicopter.
But on Thursday, a crew set out with a solution: saw off the pieces and then dispose of them in nearby woods in Colorado's White River National Forest, outside of Aspen.
The area along aptly named Conundrum Creek happens to also be within a federal wilderness area, which means no motorized vehicles to shuttle the team.
Instead, the crew left Thursday morning for the 8.5-mile hike up to the cabin, White River National Forest spokesman Bill Kight told msnbc.com. They'll stay overnight and hope to finish the job Friday.
The team includes employees of the rancher whose cattle apparently got stuck in the cabin last winter and then were too packed in to get out.
They'll be using a "Wyoming Saw" -- which looks like a beefed up hacksaw.
"For those who have hunted large animals such as elk, it is common knowledge that it takes sharp knives and what we call a Wyoming Saw to accomplish such a task," Kight said. "The Wyoming Saw breaks down into parts making it easier to pack into remote areas."
Burning or blowing up the cabin and carcasses was ruled out because it would take longer and officials want to remove the carcasses before they decompose and potentially foul the nearby creek as well as a hot springs.
Those options "would have required environmental assessment work and that’s not the fastest way to go,” Kight told the Aspen Daily News.
The cows were first discovered last March by backcountry hikers.
Original report: Cow carcasses a conundrum for USFS
With the cabin a curiosity of sorts, hikers were urged to stay away for now given that bears and other animals might be feasting on the leftovers.
"Carcasses concentrated in one small area attracting predators and visitors to that area are of great concern to us," Kight told msnbc.com.
People should "not go into the area or use the Conundrum Creek trailhead or other access points to the Conundrum Spring for at least the next month," he added. "If people decide to ignore our request, and/or we deem it necessary for public health and safety to close the trail, then we will impose a closure."
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LOL. They are still there? I can't believe what a circus this is. Burning the cabin will take more time? They have been located there for over a month.
Guess it would have taken more time because burning the cabin would have required environmental assessment work and if you know anything about environmental assesment that can take years. I don't think that they have that much time.
Burning the cabin would not have made much of a dent in the pile of carcass in there. The cabin would be gone in less than an hour, and tons of rotten flesh would still be sitting there... just slightly charred on the outside. Also, there are many more cows outside the cabin... up to 29 in the area This is by far the best solution. I don't know why people want to criticize the federal government for this one. The are taking the cheapest, low tech solution and they are doing it fairly quickly. The crew going to do the dirty work will be walking through snow, and they probably couldn't have gone up there much sooner.
The bears and birds are going to be fat and happy.
Cows are dumb. Make the rancher pay for all of it. At least his employees are helping.
And this is a story? Why?
Raised on the farm, when cattle died we took care of it. I don't remember Dad calling up the local newspaper to ask everyone what to do.
Because this is in a US Forest Service area, they can't just drive a waste disposal truck up to the cabin and dump the carcasses into it. There are limits imposed by federal regualation on what can and can not be done in the area. Its not just disposing of the bodies, its doing it within the regulations.
Too bad Jeffrey Dahmer isn't still around, he could told them how to get rid of them.
Anybody check out the width of the cabin door? Musta been some skinny cows. Just sayin.....
I can't belive that it has taken all of this time to come up with the idea!!
I guess some one lost count of the cows when they were herded down for the winter.
I'm a fan of the pun they plugged in there.... "They'll be using a "Wyoming Saw" -- which looks like a beefed up hacksaw."
if they had blown it all up it would have made a new recipe for beef tornados.
Coming to a McDonalds near you.
One imagines they came to this conclusion a while back, but nobody wanted to be the ones hiking out there and slicing up rotten beef in bear country for a couple days.
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Not exactly a project I'd put the rush on for myself, anyway.
They probably read the postings from the prior article... and used my recommendation!
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/17/11249907-what-to-do-with-frozen-cows-stuck-in-cabin-at-11200-feet
They should have sent 1 large excavator in with just the right sized bucket. Here in Akron they demolished a 100,000 Square foot school in just a couple of days. 1 day and one of them can wipe out an abandoned house with no problem.
DB - Perhaps you missed this part:
"happens to also be within a federal wilderness area, which means no motorized vehicles to shuttle the team."
It does tend to help when you read the article.
It also means you cannot disturb mother nature at work. I have read this article and one I was directed to from face book. I can't understand for the life of me, that we just let mother nature clean it up she has done a pretty good job so far and I read some one saying the animals would be happy and fat by now, my comment to that is ((((( exactly))))).
This is a government agency at work. Perfect evidence that the federal government shouldn't be incharge of public lands
How, exactly?
Meaning how did you draw that conclusion? It has almost nothing to do with their stewardship of the land, besides the fact that regulations prohibit some of the easier solutions, so they had to come up with something else.
"and potentially foul the nearby creek as well as a hot springs."
They don't want to foul the creek or spring but a rancher has cattle on the land?
If the cows weren't "escaped" cows from a nearby ranch then the rancher should be charged with neglect or abuse for not providing shelter for his livestock, cows aren't prepared to live at that elevation in the winter and is obviously why they packed into the cabin.
The regulations are designed to protect the area....you're not making any sense.
Capt...shall we say Agenda 21......shut down the forest service!
Reminds me of Animal House where the guy fires up a chain saw to get the dead horse out of the Dean's office.
I was thinking the same thing.
Udderly ridiculous.
HA! completely agree, I started cracking up.
And you human beings thought you were the only ones who had raves! Oh yeah baby! Check out that heifer in the corner! Man, this music is sick! Hey man call up your friends! We gotta pack this place! Twitter my ass! Stuck your head out the door and MOO, Baby!
They make such a device, it looks like a big bow chainsaw but it's electric not gasoline. It's used to split the cow in half at the slaughterhouse.
That's enough of the B.S., Meathead.
Depending on the weather conditions, temperatures that have been for the past month or so I'm not sure how that's going to be; going in to close quarters, how many tons of rotting, dead meat.... even the best of masks, just don't know about that one.
I'm fairly sure they'll have to close the area, as we will be reading about some Treadwell looking to get photo ops and videos of bears and whatnot that may be lurking around for free food... and, they'll find it. Some still moving.
Maybe Biden will make an appearance at the funeral.
Perhaps the Westboro Baptist Church should show up and protest because everyone knows the cows were killed because God Hates Fags. At least in their minds anyhow.
I know, its a silly thought. That's why I thought of them. LOL
At 11000 feet I'm guessing they are still frozen solid at this time of year. They did mention in the article that they want to dispose of the cows before they begin to decompose -- and it's been over a month since they were discovered.
Cows are dumb.
Although the Cows were not the ones that build that structure, at least I never knew any cows that could. This leaves a mystery, we'll never know who or what built that structure. But just hold a convention of cows, and let them vote on a plan to hitch several volunteers together and with a rope attached remove the offending structure. As for those who may have built that structure, well, lets just say, they can complain until "the cows come home."
Those who created in this hazard could suffer the same fate, but that would offen even the cows who don't think.
(3,000 lbs lean beef at $3.33/lb is about $10,000 loss, but not one penny's worth of thought.)
Agree. Raised them. They are one of God's sumbest creatures.
@RichMJones: This leaves a mystery, we'll never know who or what built that structure.
The very first sentence in the article states:
Does that clear up the mystery for you?
Can't take a joke?
Sorry three choices: human, cows or forest service creatures, but are we sure humans are not dumb?
How is blowing six dead cows going to solve the problem?
Watch out for awkwardly placed punctuation! :)
Grammar police... oh wait, I do the same thing :) Quite funny.
You can blow a bull, but not a cow. Although, I wouldn't recommend it.
Blowing up dead six cows might make as much of a mess as blowing up a dead whale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65CcRtjtjQY&feature=relmfu
Whoops, the CaptBrngDwn had the same idea.
Supposedly there's more dead cows buried under the snow too. I don't remember where I read that though, so don't quote me on it.
Was anybody else reminded of the whale that was blown up with dynamite and it ended up spewing chunks of rotting whale meat everywhere?
First thing that came to my mind. Stupidest idea ever. Of course all you have to do is mention "dynamite" and everyone just wants to see a cool explosion, doesn't matter that nothing is actually going to be incinerated, just blown into bits. This REALLY shouldn't be that difficult... chop it up, pack it out.
Whale meat again, don't know where, don't know when.
And this is news???? Sad, very sad, indeed.
You mean this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65CcRtjtjQY&feature=relmfu
Don't get me wrong Preceded, I like a good explosion just like anybody else, but this is ridiculous. Dynamite causes stuff to go up and out. One of their main concerns was to avoid the decomposition from leaking in to the water supply/hot springs. Sending rotting flesh and bones flying will do the exact opposite of what they want to avoid. The matter will land EVERYWHERE.
I can't believe these people get paid the big bucks.
Home Home on the range...where the deer & the antelope play, where never is heard, a discouraging word, and the cows are blown up, burned & cut up all day.
:)
They should just drop off Yogi and Boo-boo to fill up their pic-i-nic baskets.
Airlift them out. Get a Sikorsky Sky Crane with a heavy load cable hoist, hover over the site and hoist them up to carry off site. As long as they dont land then there is no motorized vehicle inside on park/wilderness grounds. Personally it dosent take a genious to know this is one of those situations where you throw the rule out for the conditions at hand.
Got any idea what it costs to operate one of those things per hour of flight? It's a whole lot cheaper to walk in and hack 'em up.
Even cheaper to let the Grizzlies take care of it!
Ok there going to hike in 8.5 miles and hack em up and scater the pieces in a nearby forest. By packing out 6 hacked up cows 8.5 miles to a helicoter perhaps to dispurse the parts. I have seen helocopters dip water out of a lake in a huge bucket to fight fires. I'm sure they could hover and pick up the cows. Cost! how much do you think it would cost to pack 6 cows 8.5 miles in the snow. Remmember this is wilderness, no motorized vehicles.
I've seen dead cow and deer carcasses out in the woods. It takes about a year for them to be eaten/rot/decompose, and it still leaves the bones around for a while longer.
Elk Meadow? I know that is not an indian name, I don't know what woods you wander around in but in the ones around here a deer will turn into a pile of clean bones in just a few days, and we don't have bear or wolf.
I don't know why people are talking about hauling the parts out of there. What I read is they will just scatter the meat around the area and let nature take over.
hey in the future why not just close the door to the cabin so the poor cows can't get in?
Some backpackers probably left the door ajar.
Fukkin stupid people! Don't have a clue in live!
another waist of money, just leave them there, ants & other carniveral's will clean it up 11000' up who care's, it's just another way to spend money.
It takes at least a year. In the meantime, the nearby stream and springs would be polluted, and the hiking trails in the area closed due to predators.
WELL! They know how to trap COWS! Stupid Fuks!
OUGHTTA dig a hole so the dumb fukks wonder how they BROKE an ankle!
Cows may be dumb, but ranchers using public land are dumber. If the Feds did not check into this the rancher would have tried to portray this as the work of wolfs and would demand to be compensated fully for the loss of the cows.
PROBABLY wunderin how they GOT pidgeon SHlt on their WINdSHEILD!
dont wanna spel rite cause they mite think im macen fun of thim!
HAH! DON't have to WORRY bout closing the barn door, Do WE! IT wasn't a BARN!
Don`t worry. Your tax dollars are at work and the gov`ment is here to help.
Why don't they get horses, ride into the site, cut the cows up, and haul them out on a wagon for disposal? So simple, no motorized vehicles involved. Farmer and his employees could do that and not cost the government anything at all. Government workers are totally stupid when it comes to common sense planning to do anything. All they see is a way to spend taxpayers money and cost us more by increasing our taxes to pay for their dumb decisions.
Horses, in the forest, on a mountain, in the snow? These aren't mounties, why do you think they even know how to ride?
Capt. they're forest rangers in a wilderness area out west. I would bet with a 99% guarantee that they can ride a horse. If they can't they need to move back east & find another line of work.
Isn't that the dang truth stc1993.
Bunch of brain dead genius', that was the first thing that came to mind. The same way you get a dead horse out of a Dorm. Jesus...........no wait he was deported.
8.5 Mile hike to the cabin! Really? did they bring up the cabin materials on their backs? There is no way the Forest Service cut those trees on site and built that cabin. No way. Ride your 4 wheelers up there drag the stupid cows into the forest and forget about it. Our tax dollars hard at work!!!
Conundrum Hot Springs is the last place around Aspen the USFS wants to close. It has extremely heavy visitation, mostly by humans, despite a wilderness hike of several miles in. There are issues around crowding (human waste, water quality, damage to fragile tundra flora) there every summer, and even at times during winter. Some black bears and coyotes around, no wolves there in last 80 years or more. Explosives are prohibited in wilderness areas, and would be no solution anyway. Pink slime and worse would be sprayed over everything for thousands of feet in all directions. Decomposition can be a slow process at 11000 feet, the snow will last into June there. Cutting up rotten beeves with hand saws would gag a maggot, sounds like a good community service project for someone busted for poaching game or cruelty to animals.
"Cutting up rotten beeves with hand saws would gag a maggot, sounds like a good community service project for someone busted for poaching game or cruelty to animals."
I think that would be a perfect job for poachers!! The more rotten, the better.
It's wilderness bears and predators eating, looks like problem solved in a few days. Would have been done
but they were frozen!