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Eduardo Munoz / Reuters
Members from the fire department search for victims amid rubble at the scene of a building collapse in Harlem Friday. No casualties were reported, according to police officials.
An unoccupied five-story brownstone collapsed in Harlem Friday afternoon releasing a cloud of dust and smoke, NBC New York reported.
No one was injured when the building on West 123rd Street "pancaked" -- meaning all the floors fell onto each other -- officials said.
"All we heard was crack, crack, crack," said Shane Weekes, who was standing on the sidewalk across the street when the 100-year-old building went down.
Search and rescue crews combed through the rubble, using search dogs and listening devices before determining that no one was trapped.
The block between Lenox and Seventh Avenues remained shut down as fire crews continued their clean-up efforts Friday evening.
A Queens construction company had a permit to work on the foundation of the building though contractors had finished for the day when the building fell apart just before 5 p.m.
The Department of Buildings has no records of violations at the site, though they are conducting an investigation and will be speaking with contractors to find out what may have caused the collapse.
Craig Schley, president of the block association, said the construction in the area has concerned him.
"We have a lot of construction, fast development here," he said. "My personal opinion, some foundation work, construction work—looks like it went bad."
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Of course it was the foundation work that caused this. I wonder how many people thought that it was the terrorists coming to get them. Be very afraid.
Well at least no one was injured / killed...but, it will make for a boring blog page...I heard the first floor was "Pro-life" and the second floor was "Pro-Abortion"
heard... the big bad wolf...finally huffed and puffed...
I thought it was those little brats in The Destroyers.
At 100 yrs old, these old structures were literally a "house of cards", ready to collapse at any given moment. Because there's no reinforced steel rods in place, there's really nothing to keep the bricks together beyond the mortar used. No doubt, the recent foundation repair contributed to this event, but in the long term...... this was an event waiting to happen. Lucky no one was insider when it fell.
Foundation work, house falls, duh.
From the picture, it looks like the mortar just didn't stick to the bricks anymore.
Don't know anything about construction; just a 50 yr. old housewife; but my guess would be that they were using jack-hammers and the vibration caused the bldg. to fall.
Band-Aid sticks where it's supposed to, but it doesn't stick where it's NOT supposed to.
duuug
Just because a building is old does not mean it is a house of cards ready to collapse. There are plenty of brick and mortar buildings that are much older and are perfectly safe. You don't think the work on the foundation is at fault here?
nice photo, 2 guys working, 1 guy giving orders and 16 guys standing around joking lol either find something to do or get out the way. this makes a perfect training exercise but i guess its much too hard so standing around is the only option, pathedic
F@CKYOU you hateful, ignorant POS- michaelanderson113....! NYers don't walk around in fear. You want to see fear, look at how these terrorist azzholes were hiding in caves, scurrying around and hiding like little bitches; dressing like their women to escape. Talk about cowards! Now they are in court acting scared and quite simply stupid as hell. What ever god they serve can't help but be ashamed of them. Where's all their bravado now? They can't even answer a question with intelligence and conviction now that they are face to face with those they hate so much. Pissy cowardice idiots! On line or on video taped in a hideout both them and you have diarrhea of the mouth but face to face you fall silent or drop to their knees to prey. As for the building, companies need to be more careful about gutting and renovating 100 year old buildings assuming that the foundation will hold whatever weight they decide to put on and in it..
Drop to their knees and pray. After killing innocent people like unsuspecting prey, they ran and hid. If you don't like the USA wage war like a man. In the end even one of binladens wives had more balls than he did. So stfu if you like them!
Ever been to Italy duuug..............a 100 year old brick building is considered new. People are still living happily and safely in towns built 7-900 years ago.
I hate seeing a building that old just falling in on its self. My house is 97 years old and solid as a rock.
Better knock on wood
You seem to be completely ignorant of how things are built. Bricks today are held together with JUST MORTAR like always. There is no rebar in brick construction, rebar is for concrete work. Cement block cotruction also rarely uses rebar also.
Way off there, the town where my family is originally from in Italy, Matera, has houses 9000 years old that are still occupied. You read that right, and they have masonry fronts. There are still dozens of LARGE Roman brick and mortar buildings still perfectly in tact and occupied after 2000 years, and the Colosseum, though ravaged by earthquakes, is brick and mortar also.
michael anderson = wanker
More like the construction company failed to pay the Mafia so they could get the "good" concrete. LOL
Hey! It's New York. Forgeta'bout it! :)
No, Okeeboy, I'm from NYC, and it's not "Forgetaboutit," it's "Fugetaboutit!" We don't pronounce the "R" :)
No to both Okeeboy and evanusk...
It is Forget it.
Only the Jersey types say what you wrote...Not Manhattanites
(Said in my most haughty way)
Way to go, bunkie. You sure told them.
That does it!
I'm calling up Tony Soprano for an official read on the Fugetaboutit. Yeah, I know he was from Jersy, but he ran with the NY crowd too. LOL
A perfect location for Obama, Sharpton and Jackson to build their new office.
Most likely, it was a white family that purchased the brownstone, with the funds to gut and reconstruct it. Whites are moving into Harlem, making it the new Uptown for commuting down into Manhattan. In the process, black families who have been denied mortgage opportunities, or pay higher rates when they are granted mortgages, continue to be pushed out of the neighborhood that they gave flavor to. Gentification kicks in as long time black residents can no longer afford to live where they grew up.
Harlem was, in the past, home to many Dutch, Jewish, Italian, and Puerto Rican families, and since the 20's mostly black. What exactly is the point of your post?
Don't white people have the right to live where they wish? Is it a right to live in the neighborhood you grew up in? Hopes and dreams are not lawful rights.
Mike-588190
Don't worry they can find another area to cover with graffiti filled slum.
Mass Barry, you're absolutely right. I wouldn't want to be told where I could or could not live. Where black folks of means don't take advantage of opportunties before them, I certainly don't fault white families for doing so. And in the Brooklyn and HArlem neighborhoods that I know, the blacks are more welcoming of their new neighbors than when blacks have historically ventured beyond their normal neighborhoods.
I find the Harlem Renaissance neighborhood (Closer to 125th) to be a vibrant mix of all races, shells of old brownstones that were dangerous if occupied (But that were often vacant) have been re-claimed by people of all races.
See in Manhattan we tend to get along with people of all races, religions, sexual orientations and the like. We enjoy the diversity of people from all over the world--and when you take the time to get to know them; you realize they all want the exact same things you went...peace in their lives, a secure family and a few close friends. The only people we don't get along with are racists. If we can do it then so can everyone else. Just try, you have nothing to lose but your hate and bigotry.
Mass Barry, you are also correct. Neighborhoods change and will continue to change. Especially in cities. But let it be the natural eb and flow of things. Not because bias in one form or the other helped it along. I'm not a historian, but I'm doubtful that wealthy blacks pushed those previous ethnicities out of Harlem. Nor am I saying that the white families moving into Harlem are making some type of effort to push the blacks out. But the percentage of blacks that are able to invest in staying in their neighborhoods as prices rise with gentrification, are just a small part of the overall black population. And the marginal folks have a tougher way to go when lending bias raises its head.
franklytrue, while you and I can agree on your comments overall, I have worked in Manhattan my entire career. Manhattan is indeed full of plenty of people who get along with each other, but let's not try to paint it as a Utopia. Manhattan, just like anyplace else, has pockets of bias that must be navigated as well. But what you state is the ideal, and something every ethnicity should strive for.
Great post, but you're wasting your time trying to change the haters.
Don't try to be the Jerk Whisperer, it won't work.
LMAO @ Jerk Whisperer.
Mr. Phea, don't be alarmed, the Jerk Whisperer is here to help you.
Yes we do have some hateful types....we call them...wait, you know...most of us don't bother to call them! No it is no Utopia (Unless you want a real Bagel & a Schmear...or the best Pizza--and you Chicago types can dream you have better Pizza though I will give in on the Hot Dogs)
However it is a Utopia of Baseball....One day I hope Boston gets a professional baseball team.
Go Yankees!
(I expect a few not to agree with this post, but they are simply people who think the 'socks' or whatever they call them...are a real baseball team!
Of course with how the Yankees have been the past couple weeks, I probably should not be so proud...ahum...uh...hmmm
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evanusk:
I know, right! Like the building just fell down! It's all in the news! I mean like, "fugetaboutit!"
LOL!
Tshanny- What? LOL That's your comment really? Thanks for the chuckle, it takes all kinds!
The Boss:" Hey Joe, better shore up those couple of beams over there." Joe: "Oh, it'll be okay. We'll deal with it in the morning"...Doh !!!
LOL!
Who can we blame ? Bush or Obamy ?
Neither. The contractor screwed up somehow.
When will Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson tell us which white person was responsible for this. When will he assemble the crowds and shoot his mouth off
Most likely, it was a white family that purchased the brownstone, with the funds to gut and reconstruct it. Whites are moving into Harlem, making it the new Uptown for commuting down into Manhattan. In the process, black families who have been denied mortgage opportunities, or pay higher rates when they are granted mortgages, continue to be pushed out of the neighborhood that they gave flavor to. Gentification kicks in as long time black residents can no longer afford to live where they grew up.
Mortgage rates are based on your credit score, not the color of your skin. If you have an excellent credit score you get the best rate - because you pay your bills. The lower your credit score, the higher your interest rate will be. If you have a poor credit score, you are denied because you are a poor risk.
It's simply a reward system, people that always pay their bills are what lending institution want. Would you let someone borrow money from you if you knew that person asking for the loan has failed to pay others for their debts.
Exactly the same thing is happening in Vancouver. We've been gentrified so far out of our city we have to get up at 4:00am to commute. Wealthy offshore Chinese, Iranians, and Punjabis buy our bungalows, tear them down, and build mansions, bidding up the prices (even the shabbiest bungalow on a 33-foot lot will fetch close to a million dollars) so that the locals cannot possibly qualify for a mortgage within a 30-mile radius of the city we grew up in.
Sickofthieves. I hear you, and I wish it was always so. But just do a little bit of research and you'll find that when it comes to mortgages and auto loans, all other things being equal, blacks on average pay higher rates. Take care.
Shhhyaaaa right!! Which planet are you living on??
Despite having credit-worthiness to purchase a home, minorities, especially black and latino applicants have been either denied (NOW ask me if redlining still exists, will ya?) or pay penalties in the form of higher interest rates (insert sub-prime fiasco here...). This is widely known and wonder why there is still the argumentative deflection that lending is purely based on a credit score....... Racial Disparities in Subprime HomeMortgage Lending in New York City:Meaning and Implications. Don't just trust this source, research it for yourself.....
My aunt lived at 127th and Lennox since the late 50's and she was gentrified out of there 15 or so years ago. She was retired, had excellent credit and cold not afford to pay the taxes anymore. She had no choice but to sell her house. The neighborhood she moved into, is now being gentrified by a younger, hipper, whiter crowd moving into in a small "black neighborhood" sandwiched in between several traditionally extremely high income areas called "The Main Line". She may have to sell again as the taxes and home values have increased 275% in the 15yrs she has been there.
Unbelievable-895817: Hate to see her move, but it sounds like she's making a killing on her investments.
Monkey@Keyboard--
Yep! And remember, it only takes ONE owner selling for a big profit before the neighborhood begins to change.
On the other hand, I lived (in 2004) in a 'gentrified' neighborhood, mostly white older folks, and ONE old lady died whose kids didn't want to put the money in to fix up the place to sell, so they rented it out, and a Hispanic family moved in--this was a 3 BR one bath house, and the 'family' consisted of 5 adults and 11 kids.
Long story short, after much graffiti, broken bottles tossed in yards, huge parties every weekend, the next door neighbors on BOTH sides (also both elderly females, sold out for peanuts and moved to apartments.
Withing 5 years, the neighborhood was almost exclusively Hispanic, living in places that were NEVER meant to have that many people living in them, and trashing the place, and the ones of us who could afford to sold out and GOT out. Sometimes the "gentrification" works in the OTHER direction, too.
And those of us who sold out did NOT for the most part, make a KILLING.
I see a spot for the Barack Obama Presidential Library
Termites!
Brownstones are made of brick and concrete. Termites eat wood. It was a 100 year old building that was under construction. Either the foundation was already crumbling, and the contractor failed to support it properly while repairing it, or they didn't know what they were doing and somehow screwed it up more.
"Crites!"
Brownstones have granite foundations brick outer walls a brownstone facade front. but the inner structure is typically wood framed.
Actually, the floor joists are wood. If they rot, the floor collapses onto the one below, and a pancaking can happen. The masonry is the exterior.
Nevermind
All the old buildings I've worked on are multi-wythe brick foundations, anywhere from 16" to two feet thick. It corbeles up to 12" to 13" brick exterior walls with plaster covering the inside to hide the brick. Sometimes they used 3/4" x 4" wooden slats to nail the wire to that holds the plaster up.
Nice insurance job. Harlem, predominantly Black, Manhattan real estate. No better way to build up when you can't build out.
Hey let's develop this area to help the community. Now that nice old Brownstone could be modernized and just think of the community pride. Awesome, heres your permit, go ahead and start. Building collapses, oh my, what will we do? Hey I know. Why not build a 20 story mixed use building and bring more economic improvements to the area? Lots of jobs and office space and living space for the community.
Oh, forgot to mention the rent is far more than any locals can pay and now they must seek housing in a different "depressed" neighborhood.
It's all about the money, follow the money.
Nice picture by the way. Those Firemen standing around smokin and jokin, smilin ear to ear. They are happy campers now. That piece of crap building will no longer haunt them with all of the emergency calls from druggies and homeless people. Don't even think about a fire and the hazards with that old building. They know the budget will get an increase because all of the "expansion" and "growth" going on.
Win win all the way.
And to quote evanusk " Fugetaboutit!"
You're an a$$hole! I'd rather see the FDNY standing around 'jokin' than crying while going through the rubble of buildings looking for over 3,000 people. BTW: Where do you see even one firefighter 'smokin'???
Thank goodness no one was hurt or killed.
DevlsAdvacut...
Harlem has be getting "gentrified" for a long time. And those people who own the brownstones generally don't sell for development.
I worked in a Brownstone back in the early 80's. The owner was spending over $500k (yeah 500,000) for a kitchen remodel.
Devils your ignorance is showing...
If they meant for it to fall...the workers would all know it. And since this will cost them their jobs; as work will now stop--you would not be able to cover it up.
Further the FAR (Floor Area Ratio) and zoning would never allow for what you conjectured--a 20 story building. They would only be able to build about a 5 story building of a similar size and style as this is a Historic Area and subject to scrutiny from the Landmarks Commission.
It's quite obvious you are not a true New Yorker. Maybe a transplant.
Time to recycle all the bricks !!
Well, what he says is not an impossibility. AND, when are they going to start holding the renovation and construction companies responsible for these gaffs?
Yeh, Yeh. They were not smoking. I used the term "smokin and jokin" as in, standing around doing nothing. (Sweeney, on the bottom left looks like he's reachin for one though)
My comments have absolutely nothing to do with the 3000+ that died on 911. You should be ashamed for pulling that card A$$HOLE. You have no idea where I was that day, who I lost that day, how many of my family and friends continue to suffer from that day. SHAME ON YOU. PHUCKING JURK
MOVING ON.
They were smiling (I don't blame them) for the precise reason I said in the first place.
franklytrue. It is you who are ignorant.
Yes the FAR must be included in assessment of all renovations in the zoning area. But numerous factors are taken into consideration when determining the FAR. Not just the size of the lot and the open area on the lot.
I prefer a 5 story Brown over a 10 or 20 story mixed use any day, they take the character of the community away. The general consensus is to keep the buildings in their natural state and appearance and many incentives are offered to keep them that way.
There are also many, if not more, factors in the FAR's that incentivise building taller buildings. (bonus's)
Bonus as in: Zoning Lot Mergers, Transfer of Developmental Rights (TDR), Upzoning, Non-Contextual Height factors, Inclusionary Housing Bonus, and of course the FAR, are all considered before a determination is made. Plus the Borough members (50 members in EH, Landmarks and Zoning) each vote on this subject and more.
As for the crew being out of work due to the "incident" is poppycock. They left work at noon Friday, the building collapsed at 4:00pm Friday. They will be right back on Monday morning removing the debris in order to assist the claims adjuster in his/her determination as to how this could happen in the first place.(All on the clock mind you)
Not everything is as it appears or how you want it to appear.
Not a True New Yorker? Transplant? Just because my opinion differs from yours make me a transplant, or not a True New Yorker? Tell us inquiring minds what a "True New Yorker" is.
You'll see. Like I said before. Follow the money.
There's alway one tuurd in the crowd. Looks like dvls is it.
Thank you for agreeing with me.
Ahh, I get it now. If someone agrees with you they are not an a$$hole. Well I'll be, if I only knew. We come on here to stroke each others egos.
Gosh. OK AE, I agree with you. DvlsAdvct is an A$$hole, like a total A$$. And Headhunter, I think your right too. Dvls is a tuurd, a really poopie one at that.
I'm on it now, stroke stroke.
BTW. I would rather be a Smart A$$hole than a DUMB A$$hole any day of the week. My ego needs no stroking either.
Knowing I am right is enough for me.
Wow, what creative thinkers. I usually don't comment on the commenters, but this one deserves a review. Everything/one is to blame from among the Mafia, to political parties, insurance gains, terrorists, termites, Al, Jesse, more racial neighborhood tensions, the Big Bad Wolf, and (most probably) the construction company, (who tore out a support beam somewhere).
I'm really disappointed in all of you. You are not thinking globally, critically or creatively enough. Clearly, it was aliens from outer space. Of course, they are from the future and noticed all the attention given to this ubiquitous brownstone, so therefore, they came down to destroy it. What better way to subjugate all of us--divide and conquer. We are already divided. The conquering should be easy.
Thank you for your comments. The comedy has been thoroughly entertaining this morning.
(BTW, thank you firemen and support personnel for checking the place out. I doubt anyone could have survived that mess, but I'm glad you're around to double check.)
I've seen a lot of old buildings rehabbed and most are a maze of small rooms designed to pack in the poor people of the 1800's. Then in comes today's rich urban professional who wants an open floor plan for a sense of space. Its very nice when done right but even then it will never be as strong as the original honey comb of small rooms that shared the load all the weight gets transferred to the outer walls and brown stone is not granite not even close. and the side walls are brick holding up a five story building adequate as built but not really up to the increased load after 150 years of settling every wall is a load bearing wall.
Some construction reasoning.
Nice for a change.
More construction reasoning for you to consume.
Even in the 1800's load bearing columns were engineered into the buildings. When an old building is updated to current standards the walls and little rooms aren't just taken down in some haphazard way. Engineers and Architects survey the structure before anything happens. They even had them in the 1800's too. Todays Engineers and Architects have more resources, in terms of materials and methods, at their disposal. That math hasn't changed.
The load bearing columns and walls are what support the weight/mass of the structure. Not the honeycomb of little rooms.
Structural steel, seismic restraints and connecting rods, post tension slabs, rebar with seismic hooks and high strength concrete (correct slump and psi) are what is engineered into todays structures.
1st - Headlines: ....Harlem, "New York City", LOL, everyone knows where Harlem is!
2nd - Mike 588190 - There are plenty of blacks with as much or more $ who could have bought that building, so knock off the race card and start recognizing that the score is evening - by the minute. Faulty construction as they left for the day! The city will probably sue both the owners and the construction co. for the OT they have to pay the PD and the FD.! That's probably part of the reason why they're smiling. Then.. the owner's who hired that construction co. will turn around and sue the contractor! That's been my experience - just sayin!?!?
I notice you took exception to my commentary, which is based on observed conditions, but said nothing in response to the race baiters that toss Al, Jesse and Obama into just about every unrelated event. Nice.
Since you are race baiting the issue Mike, we can ignore your string of cut and paste posts from here on.
Will you comment to Chuck-1958363 @ 8:47 below, and call him out on the race card? Or is "playing the race card" (a tired phrase, btw, left over from the OJ trial) a phrase that some white folks like to toss out only at black folks every time they try to raise a legitimate concern that affects their lives?
Good Wally, because my questions to babybummer can be directed at you too. I love how some folks are selectively offended.
Look Mike, I don't like ANY comments that are targeted to offend ANYONE. It was you Mike who chose to be "selectively offended". All of the other comments were sarcastic trivialities, which, in my estimation don't deserve the time of day it takes to respond to. In my opinion, you are "selectively offended" because you chose to stray from the topic of the article, take a personal "bent"on the issue and make a comment that does not contribute to the body of knowledge. In my judgement, your original comment was antagonistic - designed to put anyone who is "not in the know" - on the defensive.
I use the term "racial card" only when I feel it legitimately applies, not to minimize "legitimate concerns".
Happy Cinco de Mayo.
UH where in the article does it state that the owners are white? It is racist to assume they are. There are certainly plenty of black families with the wherewithal to renovate this.
Also Babybummer..there is a Harlem in Kentucky as well...just as Col Sanders, he is from there. Also Harlems in Georgia, Connecticut, Montana, Florida and others including the original neighborhood of Haarlem in Amsterdam from which mangy of them take their names.
Your Geography lesson is over for the day. there will be a pop quiz tomorrow. Bring your number 2 pencils.
Woops! My bad! However, there really is only *1 Harlem, the home of so much artistic talent!
You're right also about the article. Quite frankly, it is racist to assume the owners are "white".
franklytrue, my intention was not to be racist, and trust me... I am not. Babybummer has replied to my post (unfortunately, he created a new top level post, rather than replying within the post where my comment is located) where I was addressing some's racist posting that sarcastically called for Al, Jesse and Obama to intervene. Had you read my post in context, perhaps you might have understood... then again, you might have still found it racist. I don''t know, but again, that wasn't my intention, unlike the post I replied to. Or the post that suggested that Harlem's usual drug addicted residents should have been in the building when it pancaked, as there would be less welfare recipients.
babybummer, are we really that far apart that my commentary was found to be more more antagonistic than those I commented under, or even some of those I didn't bother to comment under? Did you not find these comments antagonistic?:
When will Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson tell us which white person was responsible for this. When will he assemble the crowds and shoot his mouth off
More like the construction company failed to pay the Mafia so they could get the "good" concrete. LOL
Prob from all the xtra bass. oh well... sometimes u need to flush twice
Too bad the building was not full of the typical residents found in Harlem. Could have saved some welfare payments.
Really, babybummer? It was MY comment above all of these examples, that offended or antagonised you?! Do I have a "personal bent" or actual experience in the matter?
Mike, those are the exact comments I felt were ignorant, trivial, dismissive and worthless. I passed over them. I'm not offended by your comment. I wouldn't on a**hole comments. I commented on yours because (I feel you're not one) and with hopes you'd calm down, ignore them also and perhaps take a different perspective.
BTW - I'd have responded within you're post if there was a reply button there. I didn't see one. Sorry.
Bum,
You are ignorant and/or innocent. Like the WTC, the collapse is too clean with no collateral damage? God himself must have wanted this to come down. The WTC is times two. You couldn't have hoped for better results from a controlled/engineered demolition. Yes, I am in fact a structural engineer.
Yeah, but can you read? I am "ignorant and/or innocent". To what post/comment by me are you referring to?
Mike you were not the one I found offensive, it was a number of others.
And the one who was sorry some people did not die in this is simply beyond comment.
People who make such filthy comments as that give the Occupy Types justification.
However being an evil 1%er with extensive investments in bank stocks...I may agree with SOME of their sentiments (Not the anarchist faction) I just would not quite fit in. OH well...Noting wrong with having a few coins, only with having a rape the poor attitude.
Headline: Brownstone turns into skidmark.
Maybe it was some Mexican or Guatamalans construction crew that cut the main supports while they rehabbing . Hey Rodrigues we can pinche make extra apartment here if we cut these beams. SEE!!!!!!! Oh chit man, you no say noting I no see Mira noting!!!!!!!
When you do a little foundation work that causes an entire 5 story building to fall down, you've given new meaning to incompetence.
Where is Al and Jesse when you need them??????????????
Too bad the building was not full of the typical residents found in Harlem. Could have saved some welfare payments.
Prob from all the xtra bass. oh well... sometimes u need to flush twice
prob happened from all the xtra bass. oh well... sometimes you need to flush twice
When you fail to pay off the mob for concrete, the city inspectors and a couple of others then you will have what the "truthers" (and probably the mob) call "controlled demolition" LOL. Also the fact is that a lot of old buildings in New York were not built very well. When you start altering them you set up a situation where they just fall apart. ("Tell the boss I think that wall he wants to get rid of is a bearing wall. Nah, why bother Itlebeok.") This happens more often that you think and you don't even need to fly a plane into the structure to make it happen. Finally, this was not the work of muslim extremists. How do we know? They are waterboarding the contractor in Mayor Bloombergs office right now.
Waiting for Rosie Donnell's take on the situation. She had the Twin Towers thingie all figured out.
"Twin Towers thingie"????????????? It wasn't a 'thingie' It was a tragedy, num nutz!!!
Gee Chuck too bad it wasn't filled with disgusting bigots and racists like you.
AE we can try to teach these pigs to sing, but it will do no good. The "Tower thin gee' cost three of my friends their lives....but to "Disgusted Conservative" that ain't no big 'thiingee'
Even most Republicans would say we need to drive these types (Bigots) from society and let them live on the margins until they die off.
Poor engineering oversight. It was by only luck that someone wasn't killed of injured.
--Craig Schley, president of the block association, said the construction in the area has concerned him. "We have a lot of construction, fast development here," he said. "My personal opinion, some foundation work, construction work—looks like it went bad." --
YA THINK ???!!!