Army wife watched husband die on Skype, says bullet hole was in closet behind him

U.S. Army via Associated Press

The wife of Capt. Bruce Kevin Clark, a Texas-based Army nurse serving in Afghanistan, says she witnessed his death over Skype, which occurred on Monday, April 30.

Updated at 3:43 p.m. ET: An Army nurse showed no alarm or discomfort before suddenly collapsing during a Skype video chat with his wife, who saw a bullet hole in a closet behind him, his family said Sunday.

Capt. Bruce Kevin Clark's family released a statement describing what his wife saw in the video feed recording her husband's death in Tarin Kowt, Afghanistan.

"Clark was suddenly knocked forward," the statement said. "The closet behind him had a bullet hole in it. The other individuals, including a member of the military, who rushed to the home of CPT Clark's wife also saw the hole and agreed it was a bullet hole."

 


The statement says the Skype link remained open for two hours on April 30 as family and friends in the United States and Afghanistan called for help.

"After two hours and many frantic phone calls by Mrs. Clark, two military personnel arrived in the room and appeared to check his pulse, but provided no details about his condition to his wife," the statement said.

U.S. officials in Afghanistan referred questions to the Pentagon, which previously referred questions to the William Beaumont Army Medical Center in El Paso, where Clark was assigned.

The Pentagon has said the cause of Clark's death remains under investigation.

In the statement, Susan Orellana-Clark said she was providing details of what she saw "to honor my husband and dispel the inaccurate information and supposition promulgated by other parties."

Clark, 43, grew up in Michigan and previously lived in Spencerport, N.Y., a suburb of Rochester, his wife's hometown. He joined the Army in 2006 and was stationed in Hawaii before he was assigned to the William Beaumont Army Medical Center in El Paso. He deployed to Afghanistan in March.

Clarence Davis, spokesman for William Beaumont Army Medical Center, declined to comment on Clark's family's statement.

Clark's body was returned Thursday to Dover Air Force Base.

He is survived by his wife and two daughters, aged 3 and 9.

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Sounds fishy, must be one of those cover-ups.

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#1 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:08 PM EDT

I thought I read initially that the military said his death was from natural causes. It does sound fishy. I hope his wife and family are able to find out the truth about his death. It's bad enough to lose a loved one to a violent end but to witness it and not know why... My condolences to those who love Capt. Clark.

  • 38 votes
#1.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:25 PM EDT
Comment author avatarold-pilotExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Like Pat Tillman? I wonder how long it will take the Politicians and Generals to sanatize themselves on this so that the truth can come out.

Sad, sad, sad.

I think it will take another CHANGE in Washington before we can HOPE extract our troops from these presidential wars of power and convience

  • 30 votes
#1.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:39 PM EDT
Comment author avatarLarry-2260635Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Something doesn't add up. Why were there no mention of a gun shot? If he were in front of his computer as required to use Skype and the bullet hole was behind him after he collapsed, why was the computer not also struck by the bullet? Sounds to me like the bullet hole, if that's what it was, was there all the time but she never saw it until he collapsed.

I think it will take another CHANGE in Washington before we can HOPE extract our troops from these presidential wars of power and convience

Well don't expect it to come from the Republicans because they are the ones that got us in this fiasco (both Afghan and Iraq) and they are the ones that don't want us to leave at all.

  • 27 votes
#1.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:41 PM EDT

Maybe.......... because the bullet exit his body?

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:57 PM EDT
Comment author avatareast coastExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

The Republicans got us involved in Afghanistan? Wow. Just wow. Short memory about the events that lead to the invasion of Afghanistan, eh?

As far as Iraq? Maybe if the UN would have completed the job they set out to do in the first place instead of leaving the mess in our laps yet again... It's really time we give up on those clowns.

  • 29 votes
#1.5 - Sun May 6, 2012 4:13 PM EDT
Comment author avatarPorter RockwellExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

east coast ...

Yes, Republicans. The current war started under Bush on October 7, 2001.

It's worth keeping in mind that 9/11 happened under Bush's watch too, after he had been in power for most of a year.

  • 28 votes
#1.6 - Sun May 6, 2012 4:25 PM EDT

why do you people continue to lie? Iraq (and afganistan) was voted on by both republicans and DEMOCRATS -bi-partisan with ally support, all through the 90's thats all dems talked about was how bad sadaam was and how he had WMD's and we needed to get rid of him. so if 9-11 happened under bush then 2-6-93 happened under clinton, ya know they first world trade center bombing by the same group who finished the job in 01 that clinton allowed to happen. hows that you ask? well clinton was literally handed osama multiple times but refused to take him because "he couldnt find anything to charge him with". stop being blind party sheep and look at how both parties fool you into believing what is not true.

  • 62 votes
#1.7 - Sun May 6, 2012 4:50 PM EDT

Couldn't have worded it better myself.

  • 7 votes
#1.8 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:33 PM EDT
Comment author avatarrouge-871393Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Swagg,

You are so right. It amazes me how the dems never mention all the sh*t that happened during their watch throughout the 90's while Bill was getting his knob polished by that fat chick Monica.

At least President Bush allowed us to fight back and not sit there like the bitches we were during the clinton administration. I don't care if it was for oil, 9/11, or an old grudge from Desert Storm.....We have to fight. THEY ARE so why shouldn't we.

One more thing. We really do need to pull out of the UN. It has outlived it's usefulness. When we allow the leaders of corrupt, meaningless little 3rd world nations to be the heads of the UN it has lost it's purpose and trustworthiness. Without our money the UN would collapse. They need us.

Rogue the Infidel

  • 19 votes
#1.9 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:34 PM EDT
Comment author avatarraddave44Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Clinton, who had been President all of one month, allowed the first WTC bombing to occur, but you wingnut blame him for 9/11 that happened 9 months after he left office? Clinton was not literally handed Bin Laden, that has been debunked many times. The "dems" talked all through the 90s about WMDs being in Iraq, because the UN weapons inspectors left the country, and could not go back in and finish their job.

  • 15 votes
#1.10 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:37 PM EDT

haha , nice bit of stupidity Porter Blockhead

you may young so you may not be aware that the plans for the 9/11 attacks were worked up during your little shower buddy Bill Clintons reign , as well as :

Clinton:
1993
Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
1995
April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed, including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort. Over 220 buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols later convicted in the antigovernment plot to avenge the Branch Davidian standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly 2 years earlier. (See Miscellaneous Disasters.)
Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.
1996
June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.
1998
Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.
2000
Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.

Bush
Sept 11

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#1.11 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:01 PM EDT
Comment author avatarJhawkeExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Yes, Republicans. The current war started under Bush on October 7, 2001.

It's worth keeping in mind that 9/11 happened under Bush's watch too, after he had been in power for most of a year.

1) Democrats voted for approval for both Iraq and Afghanistan war authority. Bush did not bypass the Constitution for either war, unlike O'Blamo's cute little Libyan Arab Spring war.

2) As the 911 Commission Report detailed (you emotion-driven liberals should try reading it some time), 9/11 could not have been prevented under the circumstances of the time. About the only guaranteed way that could have been prevented would have been to PROFILE people, namely MUSLIM looking people. But we know how you Democrat liberals feel about profiling, so that's a moot point.

3) Bill Clinton had no less than four major Al Qaeda attacks happen under his watch right up to the USS Cole attack in 2000. Clinton had a chance to have Osama handed to the US and turned it down.

Needless to say, you liberals have ZERO argument about Bush, 9/11, and Osama. I know all that Obama can talk about right now is Osama because Obama's failing economy is not something to run on with regards to a second term, but the facts are facts. You liberal Democrats fail America. Every. Single. Time.

  • 17 votes
#1.12 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:55 PM EDT

Yes, Republicans. The current war started under Bush on October 7, 2001. It's worth keeping in mind that 9/11 happened under Bush's watch too, after he had been in power for most of a year.

Its funny how you blame Bush for something that happened 7 months yes 7 months into his term, yet claim the economy is also Bushes fault, even though he has been out of office for almost 4 yrs now.

I hold Obama responsible for our economic conditions and gas prices, since he had almost a entire term to correct the issue. Yous see, I also place the blame for 9-11 on Bush, since im not a hypocrite like you seem to be..

  • 10 votes
#1.13 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:20 PM EDT

Republicans because they are the ones that got us in this fiasco

I guess there is a code against calling someone a dumb ass but c'mon man! Absolutely brain dead, and people are agreeing with you. So many dumb people out there.

  • 8 votes
#1.14 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:24 PM EDT
Comment author avatarRalphHExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

I guess you conveniently forget that Bush was on TV solemnly stating his case for war every few days. The nation was fed a constant stream of war propaganda from the Zionist controlled media and the president himself, who presided over the Pentagon, which was being run by a bunch of Jewish lawyers, headed by Paul Wolfowitz and all his neocon friends. They sold the war, by predicting a fast cheap war and all those WMD. They claimed the war would last a month at most and cost about 50 billion dollars. I would guess the Democrats who voted for the war were swayed by the quick victory Bush 1 had over Iraq. Bush 1 wasn't dumb enough to invade Iraq, like his moron son.

Look up the scum that were in the Pentagon. There was Douglas Feith, Eliot Abrams, David Wurmser and of course Paul Wolfowitz. Every one of them was close to the Likud government of Arial Sharon and some of them had dual citizenship, yet they planned and sold the Iraq war for Israel. They were the cherry pickers of all the false intelligence and they were installed in their jobs by Bush and Cheney.

Remember the mobile biological weapons labs? Who forged the Niger documents? Remember Krauthammer writing about somne meeting of Iraq officials with Atta, that turned out to be false.

JERUSALEM (AP)
— Israeli intelligence overplayed the threat posed by Iraq and reinforced the
U.S. and British assessment that Saddam Hussein had large amounts of weapons of
mass destruction, a retired Israeli general said Thursday.

The Israeli assessment may have been colored by politics, including a desire to see
the Iraqi leader toppled, said Shlomo Brom, who was a senior Israeli military
intelligence officer and is now a researcher with Israel's top strategic think
tank.

Brom stopped short of accusing Israeli intelligence officials of intentionally
misleading Britain and the United States.

His assertions could, however, undermine the reputation of the Israeli intelligence
service, one of the most respected in the world.

Brom said the Israeli assessment may have been influenced by politics. "Israel
has no reason to regret the outcome of the war in Iraq," he wrote, noting
Saddam was an implacable enemy.

Brom ended his 25-year military career in 1998. Career officers in Israel
traditionally maintain close ties with military colleagues after their
retirement.

Zionist warmongers like Ken Adelman and the Zionist Washington Post pushed the war in
an editorial titled, “Cakewalk in Iraq.” Jewish supremacists Richard Perle and
Paul Wolfowitz told you that Iraq would “Welcome us as liberators.” Iraq became
the longest war in American history. Here is a report from USA Today: “Pentagon
officials estimated for the first time Wednesday that up to 360,000 Iraq and
Afghanistan veterans may have suffered traumatic brain injuries.” Now that’s
not counting tens of thousands who have suffered maiming, amputations, or death
in this war based on lies.

  • 9 votes
#1.15 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:31 PM EDT

Don't hold your breath while waiting for the truth.

Both parties got us into this war, voting for it and setting up the conditions that lead to it.

Blame one, blame all.

I'm ready for some real Change in DC.

NObama 2012!

  • 16 votes
#1.16 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:49 PM EDT

I am a Conservative Republican, but I am tired of this Repubs vs Democrats in Afghanistan and Iraq wars. AMERICA entered the wars, our government decided to enter both wars after reviewing all of the facts and circumstances that existed at the time. Both parties made mistakes. That is obvious. Congress passed a bill to invade Iraq during the Clinton administration. We invaded Afghanistan because they supported Al Qaida. We invaded Iraq because we, and the entire world thought he had WMDs and was a brutal dictator, the world is better off without him.

The mistakes really occurred after the Taliban were removed in Afghanistan and after Saddam was removed in Iraq. We didn't know how to handle the situation on the ground. This country has made worse mistakes in previous wars that cost a lot more lives.

Back to this story, it's a sad story when a wife sees her husband shot and killed. Put down your political rants and think of the family for a while.

  • 17 votes
#1.17 - Sun May 6, 2012 8:51 PM EDT

Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq. That's why he got the vote to attack.

You right wing nuts may have collapse my comment above but you cannot change the facts. Bush was warned about 9/11 but failed to act yet somehow you nuts still blame Clinton. Fact is it happened on Bush's watch where a Gore administration may have paid more attention to those that warned in August 2001 of an attack.

  • 10 votes
#1.18 - Sun May 6, 2012 9:25 PM EDT

RalphH, kindly take your anti-Semitism elsewhere.

9/11 was only a conspiracy of Al-Qaida. We didn't have actionable intel to stop it. We did, however, finally have actionable intel to kill Bin Laden a year ago.

  • 2 votes
#1.19 - Sun May 6, 2012 9:30 PM EDT

Blaming Obama for the bad economy today is like blaming the EMS for a 10 car accident.

Back to this story, it's a sad story when a wife sees her husband shot and killed.

Where in this story does it say her husband was shot and killed?? It only states that she as well as others thought they saw a bullet hole. No where does it say the man died of a bullet wound.

  • 7 votes
#1.20 - Sun May 6, 2012 9:52 PM EDT

yeah, Ralphy, i see your mouth movin' but all i hear is blah, blah, blah...

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#1.21 - Sun May 6, 2012 9:56 PM EDT

Larry-2260635

Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq. That's why he got the vote to attack.

You right wing nuts may have collapse my comment above but you cannot change the facts. Bush was warned about 9/11 but failed to act yet somehow you nuts still blame Clinton. Fact is it happened on Bush's watch where a Gore administration may have paid more attention to those that warned in August 2001 of an attack.

If Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq, then so did Clinton in the 90s. Clinton and the dems believed Saddam needed to go and that he had WMDs even back then. At least Bush didn't p*ss on the Constitution and circumvent Congress to send our troops to battle. Your boy Obama did just that with his little Libya stunt.

Also, Gore very well may have paid more attention to warnings, but that is just speculation without the slightest bit of evidence to support it. You can't know for sure how that would have turned out. I recall speculation before the 2008 election that Obama would make a fine president. We all know how that turned out.

Blaming Obama for the bad economy today is like blaming the EMS for a 10 car accident.

But blaming Bush for 9/11 is logical. Hypocrite much? I think so.

  • 2 votes
#1.22 - Sun May 6, 2012 10:03 PM EDT

I have to agree, the report that I seem to recall earlier was that it was natural. This article surprises me, if this is true then there is definitely more going on then what we where originally lead to believe. I'm glad the wife is speaking out about it, otherwise it could just be hidden under the carpet. My thoughts and prayers go to her and her children, I hope light is shed on this quickly.

  • 2 votes
#1.23 - Sun May 6, 2012 11:41 PM EDT

Ryan, there's a difference in believing something as fact and lying. Clinton did say there were WMDs in Iraq but he never presented information to congress that he knew was false. The yellow cake uranium information Bush presented to congress to get them to vote for the use of force were already debunked by Wilson. Most of the other information Bush presented was not cleared by the CIA as fact. Bush picked the information from the CIA he liked and ignored the rest simply because he was going to attack Iraq whether congress gave him approval or not.

Of course you won't find this on FOX or a Conservative web site but for what it's worth here it is.

http://www.salon.com/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/

But blaming Bush for 9/11 is logical. Hypocrite much? I think so.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB116/index.htm

  • 3 votes
#1.24 - Sun May 6, 2012 11:57 PM EDT

If Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq, then so did Clinton in the 90s. Clinton and the dems believed Saddam needed to go and that he had WMDs even back then. At least Bush didn't p*ss on the Constitution and circumvent Congress to send our troops to battle. Your boy Obama did just that with his little Libya stunt.

Obama did not send troops into Libya. Yes he sent in airpower but it was part of a larger NATO operation. The difference between Clinton and Bush is, Clinton's assessment of Hussein's WMD program was based on available intel at the time, so it was assumed to be correct. But, under Bush the CIA determined the intel was false but Bush chose to use it anyway to justify starting the war. Just before his resignation the CIA director George Tenet had a meeting with Bush in which he presented evidence the intel was false. Bush's response? "F*ck it, we're going in anyway," according to Tenet and former secretary of state Colin Powell, who were both present at the meeting and were witnesses to Bush's response to the false intel. Clinton's mistake was believing the false intel; Bush's mistake was discovering it was false but choosing to decieve the rest of us into believing it was accurate.

  • 4 votes
#1.25 - Mon May 7, 2012 12:11 AM EDT

This was written on December 16, 2002. Over a year after the 9/11 attack.

"A series of articles in the Washington Post, co-authored by Bob Woodward of Watergate fame and based on long interviews with senior members of the Bush administration, reveals how 11 September was manipulated.

On the morning of 12 September 2001, without any evidence of who the hijackers were, Rumsfeld demanded that the US attack Iraq. According to Woodward, Rumsfeld told a cabinet meeting that Iraq should be "a principal target of the first round in the war against terrorism". Iraq was temporarily spared only because Colin Powell, the secretary of state, persuaded Bush that "public opinion has to be prepared before a move against Iraq is possible". Afghanistan was chosen as the softer option. If Jonathan Steele's estimate in the Guardian is correct, some 20,000 people in Afghanistan paid the price of this debate with their lives."

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/nc-pilger.html

  • 2 votes
#1.26 - Mon May 7, 2012 12:14 AM EDT

Sending troops and authorizing air strikes fall under the same category. They're both initiating military action. That it was part of a NATO operation is irrelevant. NATO does not determine US law, the Constitution does. Obama bypassing Congress when he sent our military over there was basically spitting on the Constitution and slapping every American in the face in the process. The man just thinks he's above the law. Once again, at least Bush did things according to the law. It was a bipartisan effort to get them through Congress, so if you want to blame Bush and the Republicans for Afghanistan and Iraq, don't forget to include the Democrats that voted to authorize the use of the military as well. It seems you guys always, conveniently, tend to forget that little tidbit.

Also, there was no conclusive evidence that the WMD intel was false at the time the decision to invade Iraq was made. The probably of WMDs being found was still high, and lets not forget... that same brutal dictator that Clinton and the dems agreed needed to go in the 90s was still there. If what you said is true regarding Tenet and Powell, then that was just pure political posturing in the event that nothing was found. They saw the opportunity to remove the posibility of getting their hands dirty and took it.

  • 1 vote
#1.27 - Mon May 7, 2012 12:57 AM EDT

Larry, the link you provided in response to my 9/11 comment could be considered reaching at best. If we were to take it seriously and blame Bush for 9/11, then Clinton should be blamed for the terrorist attacks that took place during his time in office, including the WTC bombing, since Bush's administration and those that preceeded his knew that bin Laden wanted to attack the United States. Of course, I'm sure that it only pertained to Bush though.

Bush picked the information from the CIA he liked and ignored the rest simply because he was going to attack Iraq whether congress gave him approval or not.

You don't know that Bush would have attacked without the approval of Congress. Your posts are just one bit of speculation after another. Obama, on the other hand, has done just that. Once again, look at Libya.

  • 1 vote
#1.28 - Mon May 7, 2012 1:10 AM EDT

Ryan had this to say:

If Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq, then so did Clinton in the 90s. Clinton and the dems believed Saddam needed to go and that he had WMDs even back then. At least Bush didn't p*** on the Constitution and circumvent Congress to send our troops to battle. Your boy Obama did just that with his little Libya stunt.

Actually, no. There's a little thing called a history book you might want to become a little more acquainted with. Saddam Hussein did have WMD in the 1990s--we know this because he used them. He gassed to death large numbers of his own citizens, and there are photographs of the dead bodies. After the FIRST Gulf War (when Bush I was in office), the stockpiles that were found by the UN in 1990 and 1991 were destroyed. During 1998, when Clinton was in office, there was mass bombing done to eradicate (well, that's what the goal was) the remaining WMDs. The UN did not feel that Saddam had yet built his stockpile back up and that he might not have the capability any more. Bush quite likely knew this--if he didn't, personally, his people did. Cheney knew it. Still, they were already planning to go to war with Iraq (a country which had nothing to do with 9/11) at the behest of Cheney's friends the Saudi Arabians (who, by the by, had a lot to do with 9/11).

Bush presented a lie to Congress (whether or not he knew it was a lie is another issue). Bush hid the costs of his war (whether or not he was quick enough with numbers to know this was going on is another issue). We were involved in wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and Bush did not listen to his own generals about the matter (they felt they were spread too thin). He was in the room when they said it--whether or not he was paying attention is a different issue.

As for Obama sending "troops" into Libya--well, yes, he sent four people there in early September 2011, and 8 more in latter September 2011. By latter October, Gaddafi was dead. In January of 2012--after the major hostilities were ended--we sent in about 12,000 troops to take over security for key ports and oil fields. They are not in battle. If you are worried about the dozen or so people sent in when there were battles going on--it is fairly traditional for the CIA to ask for military spotters (the CIA was definitely there) and we do generally like to keep some military intelligence on the ground in an unstable region.

Let's remember that Clinton did warn Bush about Al Qaeda, that Bush (at least publicly) pooh-poohed the idea that Al Qaeda was any big deal, that Bush had intelligence reports that the plot which had been underway for some time was about to be unleashed (not in small part because the people in the Middle East saw Bush I's son, Bush II in office and the US was a much more desirable target for them)--Bush (or, at least, Cheney) chose not to do anything about it. So, yes, given that he had the power to do something about it, had been told he needed to do something about it, and didn't do something about it--Bush would be the one to largely get the blame for 9/11.

We know Saddam had WMD in the early 1990s, because they were destroyed. We suspected he had them in the latter 1990s, and that's why we bombed the crud out of the country. Whether or not he still had any in 2003 is a completely different issue. Have a great day.

  • 4 votes
#1.29 - Mon May 7, 2012 1:33 AM EDT

You don't know that Bush would have attacked without the approval of Congress.

Poor Ryan, in denial.

President Bush would have ordered an invasion of Iraq even if the CIA had told him that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction, Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14767199/ns/meet_the_press/t/cheney-wmd-or-not-iraq-invasion-was-correct/#.T6djBsWHzk8

  • 2 votes
#1.30 - Mon May 7, 2012 1:52 AM EDT

I don't know why people have to argue about who got this country into these wars. The facts can be found with a click of a mouse. For example:

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
  • The facts are cut and dry....

      #1.31 - Mon May 7, 2012 1:53 AM EDT

      This soldier was Killed by Obama /s/

        #1.32 - Mon May 7, 2012 2:17 AM EDT

        Beanathome-- There was some reason to believe that either the bombing of Iraq didn't completely eradicate their supply of WMDs or it didn't completely destroy their capability of building back up their supply. But anyway, WMDs were not the only reason we went to war with Iraq, though that's what the majority of the critics focus on. Many believed that Saddam needed to be removed from power long before we went to war with Iraq. It seems that Bush is the only one that had the balls to push the issue and do something about it.

        Also, why would Bush publicly say that Al Qaeda is a huge threat? By doing so, they could have taken that to mean we are scared of them, and that's what they feed off of being terrorists. Behind closed doors, I'm sure they weren't taken lightly though. As for preventing the attack on 9/11, there was not enough information known to prevent it. What would you expect him to do? Should our military have had fighter jets in the air 24/7, blanketing the entire airspace above the United States, waiting to shoot down any plane that looked suspicious?

        Last, even if only a few men were sent to Libya, they brought the force of many more men than that. They participated in the bombing runs. I don't care if its 1 man or 10,000 men. He did what he did without getting the approval of Congress.

          #1.33 - Mon May 7, 2012 2:23 AM EDT

          Larry-- I'm not in denial. Frankly, your sources just suck, and there's a reason you won't find them on Fox or even more moderate news sources. Your sources are about as leftwing as they come. Funny how you want to criticize Fox, but you cite something from their polar opposite. Like I hinted at before, the source you used gave information that could have been used to criticize Clinton as well, but imagine that, they zeroed in on Bush and conveniently failed to mention how the same could be applied to Clinton.

          Also, way to spin my words.

          me:

          You don't know that Bush would have attacked without the approval of Congress.

          your quote to respond:

          President Bush would have ordered an invasion of Iraq even if the CIA had told him that Saddam Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction, Vice President Dick Cheney said Sunday.

          Your little quote does not prove that Bush would have invaded Iraq without the approval of Congress. What it does prove is that WMDs were NOT the only reason behind the invasion. Saddam was a brutal dictator who needed to be removed from power. Even Clinton knew that when he was in office. It just turns out that Bush had the guts to step up and do something about it. If the shoe was on the other foot and Clinton had brought on the authorization of military action to remove Saddam, I'm sure you would be praising him for it. Instead, it was Bush, so it must be wrong.

          • 1 vote
          #1.34 - Mon May 7, 2012 2:41 AM EDT

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCVZlLBchVE

          Guess that makes these dems liars?

          • 2 votes
          #1.35 - Mon May 7, 2012 9:22 AM EDT

          ROUGE: "I don't care if it was for oil, 9/11, or an old grudge from Desert Storm.....We have to fight. THEY ARE so why shouldn't we."

          You sound like my little brothers fighting as kids. No concern over any rational reasoning. Just he did so I do it too! What a bunch of little immature baby boys getting our men and women killed because "they fight so why shouldn't we?"

          Um...perhaps because we're better and smarter and more mature than they are? (or are we?)

          • 1 vote
          #1.36 - Mon May 7, 2012 10:11 AM EDT

          Ruby

          Wikistupedia? , really?

          • 1 vote
          #1.37 - Sun May 13, 2012 11:17 AM EDT
          Reply

          If his body has already been returned to the states VERY VERY easy to see if his death was from a bullet. If the military says it is not( they have only said it is being investigated) she has the authority to have his body autopsied by a private doctor.

          • 8 votes
          Reply#2 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:12 PM EDT
          Comment author avatarold-pilotExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

          I guess the POTUS needs to go over there and apologize for this nurse getting in the way of a bullet.

          • 15 votes
          Reply#3 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:19 PM EDT

          'old-pilot,' if you haven't already, please retire. Your mind is slipping.

          • 19 votes
          #3.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:22 PM EDT

          Maybe the next POTUS will issue the troops "magic underwear".

          • 8 votes
          #3.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:27 PM EDT
          Comment author avatarJustmy53andmeExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

          I agree this old pilot guy is deranged delusional and should stay out of discussion with his brain in a tail spin. What is it with old white grouchy koots these days?

          • 6 votes
          #3.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:36 PM EDT

          @msnbcmfe,

          I hope that he is retired or does so soon. That way he will not need to lay his life on the line for the likes of apologist like you so obviously are. How many times is the leader of this nation going to bow and scrap like a mangy dog, to foriegn nations every time they get a tear in their eye because something didn't go their way? Obama needs to grow a set of balls and quit giving rim jobs to every other nation. Americans as a nation give more aid and charity to foriegn countries than the rest of the world combined. Our many times will the U.S. come to the aid of other nations just to be stabbed/shot in the back for our efforts? Yet we are the greedy, arrogant Americans.

          It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

          • 3 votes
          #3.4 - Sun May 6, 2012 4:27 PM EDT

          MSNBCMFE ...

          Agreed, except that your verb tense is wrong.

          "has slipped" ... not "is slipping"

          • 4 votes
          #3.5 - Sun May 6, 2012 4:27 PM EDT
          Reply

          Someone was hiding in the closet which is in the military base. Who could walk into a dormitry of the military base? The bullet was from the back; that was the reason he was knocking down forward.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#4 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:21 PM EDT

          Or maybe the guy died of a massive heart attack and pitched forward. The hole could have been in the closet the whole time and nobody noticed it till afterwards. It also could have been a stray shot (no mention of the sound of a shot in the article) and some really really bad luck.

          The folks assuming military coverup over such a skimpy article have other issues.

          • 16 votes
          #4.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

          dont ya think the wife would have known it was a heart attack? did he say he was in any discomfort to the wife before? did he have a medical condition? people just dont have heart attacks without some signs beforehand (like pain). heart attacks are very painful so i would presume just before he slumped forward he was telling his wife he was having trouble breathing and having extreme pain, oh whats that? that info is not in the story, so why would ya think a average poster might come to the conclusion that it MIGHT NOT be a heart attack. though if he was shot and slumped forward, the wife might have seen blood from the entry wound. too many question and as always not enough reporting.

          • 2 votes
          #4.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:02 PM EDT

          It said he had no visible signs of discomfort and I guess that would include the pain that would come from a heart attack.

          • 4 votes
          #4.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:15 PM EDT

          Really? Wow, I guess I should tell my DEAD Father that he should have had some kind of sign and complained about it before hand. Get a clue, people die from heart attacks every day and they have no idea that the indigestion or what feels like a cramp in the arm is actually a sign that something more is wrong.

          "too many question and as always not enough reporting." Why do you read the report then? Go to another news source or wait for more information. If they speculate then you are crying about that. I'll wait for more, and hopefully get correct information rather than salivate for some news, any news, and get the wrong information.

          • 5 votes
          #4.4 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:16 PM EDT

          He was killed by his own troops...period

            #4.5 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:38 PM EDT

            For Chrissake. The Skype connection was live for over 2 hours. Then someone showed up to see what happened. That would mean that the person in the closet stayed there all that time. That would be one stone cold killer to put up with that kind of wait.

            • 3 votes
            #4.6 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:59 PM EDT

            When my husband was in Afghanistan in 2007-2008 there were bullet holes in many of the buildings that were there before. She might not have noticed it before because she was always talking to her husband. I know when we were able to do SKYPE I wasn't looking at the room and walls.

            Also my grandfather died of a heart attack. He walked into the house after work, and fell down in front of my grandmother. She thought he tripped..nope it was a fatal heart attack. My father and uncle both had heart attacks with no warning ahead of time...oh oops yeah my dad had an upset stomach early that evening, we all thought it was Mom's food. So I know we like to think that ALL heart attacks give signs, the truth is some don't.

            • 9 votes
            #4.7 - Sun May 6, 2012 8:00 PM EDT

            I can vouch for that. My father dropped stone cold dead from a massive coronary. Absolutely NO sign of it at all- sat at a table, ordered a 7-up, packed his pipe with tobacco, and was dead before he hit the floor.

            In the case of Captain Clark (RIP, /salute), It will pay to wait to see what the cause of his death actually is.

            And BTW- This is to ALL that have served, is serving, may be called to serve, or paid the ultimate sacrifice:

            THANK YOU. /SALUTE.

            • 2 votes
            #4.8 - Sun May 6, 2012 11:08 PM EDT

            In 1976, my father's business partner died of a massive heart attack instantly with no warning while having a pleasant breakfast in a restaurant with his oldest son. Just fell forward in his chair, dead before his face hit the table. It was my first real dealing with the death of someone I was close to, and it really made me think about how death can come at any instant and WITHOUT WARNING. I think mmhaq's scenario is not only plausible, but most likely given the fact that a bullet could not have gone through a door without making some kind of noise, even if she couldn't hear the gunfire itself.

            • 2 votes
            #4.9 - Sun May 6, 2012 11:33 PM EDT
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            could be a case of a fraging. he pissed some one off so they fraged him. try to make it look like enemy

            • 1 vote
            Reply#5 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:28 PM EDT

            Or someone could have been playing around with their rifle and it went off. Or someone could have been cleaning a gun inappropriately and it went off. Or someone could have been putting it in the closet backing to the captains closet and it went off. Or as someone said..... he could have had a massive heart attack and the hole had already been there.

            What I think needs to be investigated is how it took two hours for her to be able to get in touch with someone to check his room. I think it is sad that she knew of no one over there that he was friends with that she could have contacted. Or that she could not have called the Army ops center or the Pentagon ops center or his stateside unit. Someone. Two hours seems to be an awfully long time.

            • 12 votes
            #5.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 4:11 PM EDT
            Comment author avatarrouge-871393Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

            Or maybe he had a heart attack due to having accepted the fact that obama was really born in kenya.

            Who knows.

            Rogue the Infidel

            • 1 vote
            #5.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:40 PM EDT

            Yesterday's article had a statement from the stateside military doctor stating that his death was not suicide nor from battle, that it appeared to be from natural causes. AT THIS POINT it appears that we are witnessing incompetence or a cover up, but for what? Did this nurse find out something or had come to realize something someone over there wanted kept quiet? Perhaps insurgents regularly are able to infiltrate, come and go as they please and our military leader's egos are wounded, we don't have enough information about how and why the man died. One thing for sure however is that it is DEFINITELY inexcusable that it took TWO HOURS to get him help! His widow needs to push hard to get REAL answers and we, the public, the american people, need to stand with her.

            Our military leadership needs a complete overhaul! Money wasted on inferior "state of the art" weaponry which the battlefield military don't want while Humvees are left with widely know armour defects, family of military personnel have to buy body armour for their military loved ones, these are all criminal and MUST be made accountable for unless we actually see our military as a way to get rid of our poor. Fellow citizens, we should be ashamed that we haven't been involved in protecting our protectors and allowing them to be just another resource for the elite to use and discard.

            • 3 votes
            #5.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 8:14 PM EDT
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            Comment author avatarspikeyspiderExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

            If the military is hiding information here it's just to protect the family from humiliation. This is some weird thing orchestrated by the soldier himself and played out just as he wanted it. Just another of these guys who "lost it". I'm not sure how many of them "had it" before they went in. Add in all of the anti-psychotics and anti-depressants and anti-anxiety and anti-insomnia drugs they're handing out to them like candy and you've got a pretty loopy bunch of guys with constant access to weapons and convenient victims. And now they're all coming home. Nice.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#6 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:30 PM EDT

            spider m., you are sick...You don't mind while they are protecting you but you sure rant garbage..

            People like you need to go away. far away. You are the one that sounds psychotic...

            God Bless this man and his family.

            • 6 votes
            #6.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 4:05 PM EDT

            Give me a break. Whatever they were sent over there to protect, it doesn't have anything to do with me. It's a pretty safe bet it doesn't have anything to do with you either. People are so naive. Go volunteer at the V.A. for a while Jean. Then get back to me.

            • 4 votes
            #6.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:10 PM EDT

            Spikey, it could also be the actions of another soldier with some percieved slight against this nurse but your point about drugging up our military personnel to keep them longer than humanly possible still applies.

            • 1 vote
            #6.3 - Sun May 6, 2012 8:18 PM EDT
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            Still can't get the truth under Military Threat of cessation of benefits if she talks. Another Afgan killing. They want us to go and it's a great program to kill Officers. Our Government doesn't care cause we can sacrafice another 20,000 officers to keep the CIA drug trade on line. Are we afraid to speak out, of course not, we are waiting, SURPRISE!

            Jack Slade

            • 6 votes
            Reply#7 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:32 PM EDT

            My guess is another terrorist in sheep clothing. Another little man ordered by terrorist to kill another innocent American.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#8 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:38 PM EDT

            We are highly unlikely to ever get to the bottom of this one. An accidental random bullet goes through his quarters, through the closet and hits him in the head? Conspiracy theorists unite!

            • 1 vote
            Reply#9 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:40 PM EDT

            For all we know, that might have been it. There wasn't anyone hiding in the closet it seems, else Mrs. Clark would've seen someone jump out and run out of the room. A killer hiding in the closet wouldn't stay there and wait two hours for someone to come poking around. That is, unless Mrs. Clark was not looking at her computer screen while she was phoning for help...

            • 2 votes
            #9.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:59 PM EDT
            Reply

            What happened? We wont know for awhile. Regardless, my most sincere condolences to Capt. Clarks family. And to Capt. Clark, thank you for your service and sacrifice :(

            • 7 votes
            Reply#10 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:41 PM EDT

            What a terrible thing to have experienced no matter what happened. Deepest sympathies to his wife and family.

            How about we take a break from politics on this one.....

            • 13 votes
            Reply#11 - Sun May 6, 2012 3:41 PM EDT

            What a cowardly thing to do! Shoot a man in the back? How very brave of you, NOT! Poor Cpt. Clark! Never even saw it comming, but then, maybe that wouldn't be so terrible? Cpt. Clark was one of the good guys, a medic trained to help the wounded! And he gets shot in the back.

            I hope his family can get over this tragedy, and move on with their lives. R.I.P. Captain Clark.

            • 4 votes
            Reply#12 - Sun May 6, 2012 4:01 PM EDT

            If the closet was behind him he would have been shot in the front and the bullet exited out his back into the closet. Or a stray bullet came from another room through the closet and into his back, seems unlikely though.

              #12.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:11 PM EDT

              Seeing as he fell forward, I'm guessing that he was shot from behind. If there was a bullet hole in the closet, it would have had to come through from the other side, meaning there probably wasn't anyone in the closet.

              • 1 vote
              #12.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 8:27 PM EDT
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              a medic trained to help the wounded? God, "a medic trained to help the wounded?" This officer was a nurse with seven years of training. Some of you guys sit in front of a computer and type on it whatever. Geez!

              • 3 votes
              Reply#13 - Sun May 6, 2012 4:25 PM EDT

              There is a lot of speculation in here and I don't think it is doing anything to help the family. I'm sure the family is heartbroken right now, but I am sure the information they have is limited, too. The military needs a chance to complete an investigation and it has only been a couple of days.

              For those who may not know, the family and the funeral director has the opportunity to view the body when it is being prepared for burial.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#14 - Sun May 6, 2012 4:26 PM EDT

              I am surprised by the amount of skyping and cell phone use that there have not been more witnesses via telecommunication. People on a cell phone during a wreck and the other party hears the crash, or partyers videoing inadvertently, witness a death. Telecommunications are constantly taking place and witnessing events of all sorts.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#15 - Sun May 6, 2012 4:27 PM EDT

              In a battle zone leaking of information can lead to treason charges so I am not surprised that more has not been videoed. I AM surprised that so much video has come out showing blatant violations of military conduct set forth by our military's own codes of conduct and the rules of the Geneva Convention shot by the offenders no less! We as a people have become exponentially stupid over the past 35 years or so!

                #15.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 8:28 PM EDT

                Elf:

                And...you expect war to go perfectly? Why don't you do a little research on WWII and the Nazi atrocities during that war. I bet then you will have a different opinion on how America conducts modern wars.

                  #15.2 - Mon May 7, 2012 12:42 AM EDT
                  Reply

                  It sounds as if the bullet came from the closet or most likely the room BEHIND the closet next door to Capt. Clarks...either intentional or by accident.. Perhaps someone carelessly handling their weapon?

                  • 3 votes
                  Reply#16 - Sun May 6, 2012 4:37 PM EDT

                  I'm reading the same story you are.

                  To add to your speculation, perhaps a stray even - it's a war zone.

                  • 1 vote
                  #16.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:05 PM EDT

                  Agreed which makes any misdirecting (cover up) damned foolish besides being criminal. Unfortunately we have seen too many overblown egos in leadership positions do damned foolish things.

                    #16.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 8:32 PM EDT
                    Reply

                    There is not enough evidence provided to say exactly how the man died. We could sit here all day going back and forth on possible theories, and none of them would be right unless we were the ones examining the body.

                    It's possible the hole was all ready there. These are old, used buildings with history. It could be someone did kill him on accident. It could have been on purpose. It could have been natural causes. It could have been even accidental food poisoning or something else, you know? If the family gets an answer, I'm sure it'll be on here. No matter what, rest in peace ser. May God be with your wife, and family.

                    • 4 votes
                    Reply#17 - Sun May 6, 2012 4:49 PM EDT

                    Can't imagine how she must feel, but iknow she want's ansewers. Two terrrible unnecsasary wars.

                    • 2 votes
                    Reply#18 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:04 PM EDT

                    One war was unecessary. We had to go into Afganistan so you and I didn't have to firefight terrorists in our own back yard while we were barbequeing baby back ribs.

                      #18.1 - Mon May 7, 2012 12:38 AM EDT
                      Reply

                      Where was Cheney when this happened?

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#19 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:07 PM EDT

                      drinking

                        #19.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:26 PM EDT

                        Maybe preparing for a visit by his (8th) cousin, Barack Obama.

                          #19.2 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:28 PM EDT
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                          I know in a war zone death can come at any time...but he was not on the battlefield, so it's totally creepy that he'd be on the videophone one second ,then shot dead the next .No one has really explained exactly how that happened. And how come no one else was shot or killed-where was he located -was he near enemy fire ? Does that happen every day or was that a freak occurrence ? I just wanna know .

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#20 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:21 PM EDT

                          wasn't he in a tent? a stray bullet in a war zone.....or an afghan soldier killing and american?

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#21 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:25 PM EDT

                          What a sad story! It will be interesting to see what they find out in an investigation. I guess there is nowhere safe in a war zone, but I would think someone "skyping" would be somewhere within their own compound? A bullet through the closet? Did the perpetrator even know who they were shooting at? I hope it wasn't one of our own with a grudge of some kind. Bad enough if it was the enemy. So sad that the wife witnessed this horrible event and death.

                          RIP sir and my condolences to his family. Very sad.

                          • 3 votes
                          Reply#22 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:32 PM EDT

                          Yeah, there is a possibility the bullet hole was already there, but this really dose not add up. I doubt that a bullet hole would go unnoticed and unprepared and I also find that if he had died of truly natural causes,that they would have been forthcoming with what it was that killed him and they have not been.

                          If this was indeed a bullet the passed through him, and it was indeed enemy action, I am thinking that we wont hear the whole story about it for quite some time.

                          I said in a comment on another story about this situation that I am glad his wife was on skype with him at the time and that is double true right now. The government will give half truths to protect operation details, and that is just not right for those that lose loved ones. Those families deserve to know exactly what killed their loved ones.

                          • 2 votes
                          Reply#23 - Sun May 6, 2012 5:35 PM EDT

                          What's missing from this story?

                          There is something, I bet.

                            Reply#24 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:03 PM EDT

                            yep...something is missing....like a lot of facts are missing, but only the pertinent ones, that is

                            • 1 vote
                            #24.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:09 PM EDT
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                            Dear Captain Clark,

                            Sir let me take this opportunity to thank you for your service, dedication and sacrifice to this great nation.

                            Whatever the cause of your passing, may you Rest in Peace and may God watch over your loved ones.

                            Rogue the Infidel

                            • 2 votes
                            Reply#25 - Sun May 6, 2012 6:04 PM EDT

                            hmmm....not to burst ur bubble but i am somewhat doubting that capt clark is capable of hearing ur thanks to him.

                              #25.1 - Sun May 6, 2012 7:10 PM EDT
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