Absolutely, dress appropriately for an American courtroom. If it is against their religion to look at a woman in a certain type of attire, don't be anywhere where there are woman dressing in a manner than offends them. You're welcome to practice whatever religion you want, but you can't force others into conforming to those standards.

Now, since I'm pretty sure none of us are sympathetic to this particular defendant, how about instead of press meeting him outside the courthouse, we get girls in swimsuits to do that?

This is the type of nonsense that gives sensible liberals a bad name. What an absolutely pointless, self-deprecating act ... uhg.

The general thought is FU, the second thought is for the women to dress as their favorite TV Hoe and bring a whip. NO, NO, NO, to pandering to ahole murderers........

My literal first reaction was "GAG" !!!

Actually, I can't think of anything else to say better that is printable.

They're on OUR turf now. They can play by OUR rules. Kudos to the judge. Screw these fargin' iceholes.

Right you are, India. Wingnuts knows no ethnic religious or political boundries. They're everywhere, there everywhere

As a combat veteran it is my considered opinion that Ms. Bormann, and David Nevin and James Connell, are nothing more than traitors, and should be recognized as such. I would advocate dispensing with the show trials and turning the defendants loose. As a former SOG member, I would be more than happy to hunt them down and let them experience some of the 'justice" they inflicted on others. With any luck, these shysters would be in close proximity. (U.S. Army, Green Berets, 1970-73, ret.)

In several Muslim court cases in Iraq, Eygpt that were shown on TV they kept the prisoners in a caged area of the court room. Maybe we should treat them the same way so they'll will feel right at home. When in Rome do as the Romans do. They don't show any respect for America, so why kowtow to them? This woman is an idiot or sympathizer.

I think Cheryl Bormann should be sent back to Chicago. Either that or send her to Pakistan where she can dress 'modestly' as the other females there. The slime that planned/committted the murders of 3000 innocent Americans do not deserve any consideration for their warped religous beliefs!

let me get this straight. It is a sin to look at a woman dressed in a certain way but it is not a sin a deliberately murder thousands of innocent people. Really!!!!

Bormann asked the court to order the other women present at the hearing to dress more modestly so as not to distract the defendants, who would be "committing a sin under their faith" by looking at them.

This is just ridiculous. If it is a sin for them to look at women, isn't it up to them to not look and not up to the women in the courtroom? Is it just me or wouldn't being a mass murderer be more of a sin than looking at women?

Attorney Cheryl Bormann, 52, who is from Chicago and is not Muslim, said she wore the modest garment that revealed only her face to show respect for the religious sensitivities of her client, Yemeni terror suspect Walid bin Attash.

Bormann asked the court to order the other women present at the hearing to dress more modestly so as not to distract the defendants, who would be "committing a sin under their faith" by looking at them.

1. LOL! Did they assign a woman lawyer to them on purpose, or is she the only one who volunteered?

2. These men have committed far greater sins than looking upon a woman who is not modestly dressed. I'm thinking this won't make much difference on their religious "scoreboard."

3. This "lawyer," certainly does not have much in the way of common sense, or is suffering from a legal form of "Stockholm syndrome." There is no American reason she should have to dress this way. Additionally, dress in the courtroom IS modest. The Judges expect no less.

Oh, after they disrupt the proceedings, we should be "sensitive" to the gobbledygook that is their "morality"? If these jackasses don't want to look at female prosecuting attorneys, they should have kept their holier-than-thou butts out of an American courtroom in the first place!

What a joke. It is a sin for them to look at women not dressed in that horrible clothing they wear, but it is not a sin for them to cut off peoples heads, murder and commit act of terrorism and then they are sitting there making paper airplanes and laughing at us. They should be put to death by execution without a trial-they don't deserve it. Why should anyone who is not Muslim respect their religion by having to living according to the way want you to. Do they respect our religious beliefs? Hell no-they all want us dead. I would be disrespecting my religion by abiding to their wishes. This is the US, go livein your Muslim country with your murderous religion. We do not have to abide or respect anything about you.

This is the USA we don't follow your dress codes. I have no problem with whatever you want to wear as long as it complies with American laws and codes. And I will wear whatever I want (under the same rights) and I am not interested in your opinions or what you tell me I should wear. Again this is American and NOT an extension of your country or ANY of it's moral values - we have our own, thank you.

This makes me want to go heathen. Show up in the courtroom in a skimpy little negligee and flash them randomly. Playboy in one hand, Bible in the other.

This woman is a moron. Anybody who bends their will towards these monsters is a traitor to the United States and should be imprisoned.

Steve...We arent "giving up our rights"! But they ARE being TAKEN away. Thanks libs.

Chad...You obviously know nothing of religion. I call it faith. NO magical words.

To all of you haters: The prisoners on trial should be released.

Right in the middle of Times Square, at a time to be publically announced.

Anybody think they could make it a block away?

What frosts me is that WE are the people paying for this travesty. Talk about "military waste" . The only saving grace is that if they were in NYC for a civilian trial, it would cost over a billion dollars!

Here's a question for the libs: What would you rather spend money on: useless show trials like this, or the helpless/sick/welfare types you are always blathering about. Pick one; explain.

Actually Cheryl Borman looks much better covered up............I'm personally glad she is wearing that getup.

The issue is not sensitivity. The issue is responsibility, as in Who is responsible for these men's prurient thoughts about the women in the room? Is it the women? The women probably aren't even aware of those perceptions about them and are appropriately surprised at the innuendo. This twisted viewpoint is the source of not only Muslim, but other cultures' oppression of women in general and must be rejected: men are responsible for their own lust, so they can either suffer in silence with its effects or learn to curb their own lascivious thoughts. This is placing the responsibility where it belongs, instead of wrapping women in brown paper bags or locking them up at home for the rest of their lives or stoning them to death for witchcraft or murdering them for saying no. What on earth that woman is thinking is beyond me. You could be wearing a muu-muu and these cretins would get turned on.

People who would rather spend other peoples' money on illegal aliens. People who value pseudo science and revisionist education......

The same people that believe the government should have full control of all your needs, absolve you of any personal responsibility for your decisions, make you feel guilty for being a hetero-sexual white male with a Christian upbringing? Those people?

Odd, how someone can call themselves "liberal" when what they mean is free of any possible persoanl choicethat they do not approve of!

Well I'm a liberal and I don't believe in any of this garbage being spewed from this guy. This is nothing more than worthless ranting by some right wing AH.

Plain stupid. She was there for legal defense period not to make some sort of speach about appropriate apparel and certainly not about the way anyone else chose to dress in the courtroom. Legal facts please, not attire lectures.

What the f**king kind of game is the defense trying to play? Are they getting paid (I have not heard of anything on this) and by who?. Cheryl Bormann is not a muslim so what's her point, is it to gain the defenses respect/approval - I say b*llsh*t to that! And if they are not getting paid then the only other issue would be that they are just trying to make their career/reps. on this case. For the sake of argument let's say that IF the defendants were catholic terrorists...would she have shown up in court wearing a nun's habit?

This is just going to enrage the court at these murderers even more. This defense attorney is not using a sound strategy by pissing everyone off even more at these murderers. Too bad they can't be killed twice for what they did. Hmmmm.....maybe give them a non-lethal injection and let them think it is the real one and when they wake up, just say "oops...my bad" and give them the real one.

If this woman were representing a group of nudists, I wonder how she would dress to respect their sensitivities???

This is absolutely ridiculous. As a Muslim woman myself who does not cover at all, those men on trial should stop being pigs and control their hormones regarding the other women in the courtroom. The sheer prospect of this even being acknowledged is absurd and angering.

I say we ship the attorney over to Afghanistan after the trial. If she wants to love the religion and respect it so much, she can respect it first hand when they strip her of all her rights as a human being, and she gets shipped around from man to man by being traded for goats. I have no love in my heart for those that are sensitive to the hijackers and planners, especially after what they did, and if this girl wants to wuv and cuddwe the big bad terrorists and their religion of hatred, well, she can do it first hand on the burning sands.

Let's face it, all she's doing this for is attention, and it's disrespectful to all the victims of the 9/11 attacks. I do believe I am infuriated...

She must have looked like Da Bomb!! oh wait shes is da Bomb!!!! (Monty Pythons) run away,run away,run away!!! Martian Lawrence"shes about too blow up!!!!!" Yet in America in our schools they can walk around with their religon on their heads(as for us no crosses or 10 comments allowed near a school never mind christmas tree or HEAVEN FORBID a nativity seen!!!!!) But when something tragic happens (car crash, over dosed partys, hazeing, happen`s daily), WE ERECT CROSSES BECAUSE NOW ITS IMPORTENT,GO TAKE THE CROSSES DOWN NON BELIEVERS WHEN THE KIDS PUT THE UP, DARE YOU!!(aint happen) SO KIDS DIED SO WHAT, WAKE UP AMERICA!! THEY CAN, WE CAN`T!!!!(have none trying to help yours, came from a proud family of 8) Wake Up America! Yours might be having that scarf around her head sooner than you think.....

Here's a response to the attorney, go F@$# yourself

This is not a theater? Ban these attorneys from making a mockery out of murder. When in Rome do as the Romans do. If they want us to conform with Islamic laws / looks / behavior - then dispense with this nonsense and off with their heads! Yes we will dress in Islamic clothes and gladly knock their heads off. I will be the first volunteer to do so. Any takers? They are so fortunate that they are being given due process. Sure being in prison is no fun but when these pariahs chose to commit the crimes they did what did they think they were signing up for? Life on the beach?

Bad move on the part of this hypocritical defense attorney. Her stupid actions will only serve to enflame the court. Wish I lived closer, I would gladly send a big box of pig parts . . .

I really don't understand why we are showing respect to people who have repeatedly disrupted and disrespected the court. I think we should dress all the women there in bikinis (isn't it hot in Cuba?) and shove electrodes connected to car batteries up the defendants' asses so that they can get a good shock every time they act up.

Ritdog-908299

Liberals don't care about waste when they're spending someone elses' money.

For dressing in the manner she did should get her thrown out of the court room for showing no sensitivity for the families of the victims of the 9/11 bombings. Her clients have no respect for other cultures or religions so why should they get special treatment. As far as I'm concerned if normal business dress is offensive to them they can put their eyes out.

WHEN they are executed it should be with bullets dipped in pig blood. Just sayin.

Yeah Borman you forgot to put a veil on your sad face while in that clown outfit you're wearing. That Bormann broad is sure a joker and insensitive to other people's right to dress, does she think this is in backward muslim place? This is not a religion on trial hope she is aware of it. Those savage barbarians do not have the ability to respect other people's right and it's not their religion on trial here is a crime that's commited on trial. Bormann's client can always cover their eyes and not look at the ladies in courtroom. Being this is the USA not Saudi Arabia, Pakistan or some backward muslim country where women are required to cover head to toe by some uneducated muslim zealots, women have the right to dress how they wanted. This woman need to be in Saudi, Afghanistan, Iran, Irag first and let her feel wearing the black mourning clothes she wear to court. Plain stupid request to make all women to wear what she wear, either she is a symphatizer or trying to be accepted by the defendants, Doesn't she realize that these defendant do not accept a woman to defend them? Muslim males specially these types, think of women are worth half their voice and for them to be respresented by a woman is sure making them a laughing stock. Separating these idiots for separate trial is better, putting them together for trial, they will make the courtroom just like a circus. Bormann you sure are a biggest clown in that incomplete outfit you are wearing you forgot to wear the veil.

got to be kidding me. They are trying to push shira law into the courtroom and use the court as their way of attacking our way of life. I say lets ask all the women in the court room to please dress in a bathing suit. They are going to hell anyhow so i dont think it would matter if they "sin"

Why is the pentagon paying this "civilian attorney" to make a mockery of this trial?? She is an obvious enemy sympathizer, put her in the defendants arena alongside her "clients". If this were the Nuremberg Trials she would be wearing a Nazi uniform with a big red swastika arm band. I don't think that would have been allowed there.

She just summarized the problem with islam's medieval culture. The men completely lack self-control so they have to oppress the women to "protect them."

Bundgaard...You like them so much go live with them. I HAVE NO SYMPOTHY FOR THEM!! YOU sympathize for them, you are a traitor!!

My suggestion to the defendents. If you want us to respect your beliefs then you Must respect our right to LIVE.

I'm actually surprised that one of the defense attorneys is a woman. Based on the Muslim belief that women are no more important than a piece of property.

I see this as no more than a defense ploy. If the defendents continue to interrupt the proceedings with their prayers and such, they should be removed from the court room. The trial can continue without them.

Osiris: "Odd, how someone can call themselves "liberal" when what they mean is free of any possible persoanl choice that they do not approve of!"

No, Osiris, you're describing so-called "conservatives." You know those guys that want to tell us who can marry, have sex with, what we can do with our bodies, birth control, anti-choice, etc. Allegedly "pro-lifers"--that is until we're born--then all bets are off--guns, war, death penalty--yippeee let's all die!

Give me a break!

As a woman, I find Mrs. Bormann's comments degrading and wholly inappropriate. First of all, its the men's actions, not the women's clothing, that is a sin to her clients so they should show the restraint.
Secondly, this is a huge trial and it sends a terrible message to women all over the world that a powerful female lawyer would change her wardrobe and ask others to do the same because they "tempt" men. This is just another way for women to be marginalized and disrespected, and Bormann has played right into it.

As for the defendants, they are just looking for another way to get publicity against the U.S. to recruit for their cause. Any tactic they can use to make the U.S. Government look bad, they will. Bringing up torture, unfair proceedings, etc. gets some in this country to actually sympathize with these men. Sad.

In their culture, women are not supposed to have any position of authority. If this dumb-dumb wants to be respectful of their culture, she should just quit her job. Another shining example of how a white woman tries to be OVER-politically-correct.

she is a very confused attorney; her job is to defend the law as it applies to her clients case, not to become part of her clients lifestyle; I have met many like her over the years, they for some reason take on their clients cause, instead of defending their clients under the law.

Why don't they explain why the night before they carried out their attacks on this country that they were in Vegas with prostitutes-yet it is a sin for them to look at a woman not dressed to their approval. What a bunch of sick MFs. They can rape and kill women, but that is not a sin-yet not being covered up to their standards is a sin. Muslims need to go back to your country and stay there with your sick beliefs, don't come here in America and think that you can force us to live your sick ways.

How about we drown/burn them??? And then when they start crying for mercy, we dont give it to them, just like the people on the planes who didn't want to die, or the poeple in the 3 buildings that they attacked on 9/11, that is my version of justices, do unto them, what they did unto us... That lawer will never win this case, and she will never advance in her career.

No 'one should be surprised at this woman's attempt to draw attention to herself. After all, it's 'show-biz,' and she IS a lawyer...

IF THIS IS TRUE then why did she not excuse herself from this trial as unworthy?????????? Since she is concerned about their religion where she is nothing much more than breeding stock!!!

Grandstanding pure and simple!!!

Wonder how the terrorists were viewing the women they murdered on 9/11??????

WHAT?...

Just goes to show you how dumb you left winger libs are. Our soldiers are out there dying to protect your sorry a*# and for your freedom from these very people that want to kill you and take away you freedom. Abortions and contraception should be paid for by the person who wants it, not by the taxpayers who don't believe in murdering unborn babies. No one is denying them having it-the problem is that nobody shuold have to pay for it except the person wanting it-pay for it out of your own pocket. It is not a medical necessity. War on the other hand is a necessity for the protection of this country as has always been. If you don't care to have your a*# protected then go live with them in their Muslim countries. I along with the majority of Americans in this country, love my country, support our soldiers and appreciate everything they have done for us including losing their lives and leaving behind their families for us!

Bormann asked the court to order the other women present at the hearing to dress more modestly so as not to distract the defendants, who would be "committing a sin under their faith" by looking at them.

And where on their 'lost of sins' does it talk about killing thousands of innocent people? Iceholes!!

Actually,

a low cut dress made entirely of bacon would be more appropriate for those disgusting islamic pigs.

Again, as I posted above, I am a combat veteran Green Beret. And I consider the actions of the defense shysters to be treasonous. As for defendant's rights, they are lucky to even be in a courtroom. This is precisely why, when bin Laden was finally located, you can rest assurred that the order was "execute" and not capture for trial. And good for the Seals who did their job.

I don't think you have rights to make a person wear your type of attire, for one thing this is AMERICA thank GOD it is . and making a person wear your attire thats offensive, i would not wear it you can be modest in other ways. they don't respect our culture why would we have too respect MURDERS.

Maybe they threatened to fly an airplane into her house if she didn't comply with their demands of oppressive head and bodywear. Or maybe she just likes "bad boys".

WHAT...

You arent worth any responses, feel fortunate you got this one!

Chad, need I remind you Obama is a Christian, as were a lot of Intelligent people from the past Albert Einstein believed in God.

They should let women in bikinis sit in the courtroom.

BTW. wlee-950213 Einstein was an atheist...

you are in the united states so they should dress in proper attire for here and SPEAK english is a must.We must not let them to try and dictate to us like they do where ever they are from. Our fathers, brothers, sons,mothers daughters have fought to hard for our freedom,we don't need to have them to disrespect us any more than they do. The lawyer should be ashamed of herself for falling for their words.

I think this sounds great, the murders hired a comedian for their lawyer.

Wait, so killing people isn't a sin but looking at women is...?

Attorney Cheryl Bormann, 52, who is from Chicago and is not Muslim, said she wore the modest garment that revealed only her face to show respect for the religious sensitivities of her client, Yemeni terror suspect Walid bin Attash

Well, if this bimbo thinks she made a point, yes, she sure did! She clearly shows what an idiot she is and that she is less than qualified to defend anything but a turd.

Throw her out, we don't need to be playing stupid games. This is America and not some sand-diggers backyard.

The lawyer is doing her job. She's defending her "clients' to the best of her ability. I think she's a fool for being so culturally sensitive, because it bet it will play against her in the court - but that's a hard call. She thinks it will get her an advantage. It's not out of cultural sensitivity folk. Lawyers do this stuff as part of her case.

The prosecution will do their job to the best of their abilities too. Now, if I were the prosecutor on this case, I would have every woman on my team dress in her Class A's or something that would signify their connection to the military. I would even find femal legal specialist sit there in their uniforms. Anytime something had to be brought into the courtroom, I would try to have it brought in by a female soldier/sailor/marine airman.

Utterly ridiculous!!! I suppose they wont be happy until every woman in the US is wearing one of their burkas. I for one will stick to shorts and a tee shirt. Maybe not in a courtroom but where ever such dress is appropriate. And I'm sure that the women in the court are dressing appropriately. If they weren't, the court officer would remove them.

Boys, I want you to meet our trained pig, and I promise, youre not going to like what we trained him to do!

Einstein was Jewish.

JerkInCoolClothes

this is actually a pretty smart move by the defense attorney, and it seems it's working.

... by our own laws, these guys haven't yet been convicted. technically, they're innocent. in her mind, because she's representing them, she respects them.

Ahhhh I see. So the other people in the court are guilty and shouldn't be respected? They should be forced to wear the "appropriate" muslim clothing? This request is sickening, I don't even know how you can make those statements with a straight face.

Bormann asked the court to order the other women present at the hearing to dress more modestly so as not to distract the defendants, who would be "committing a sin under their faith" by looking at them.

How about they just don't look at them? Considering who and what those animals are tho, of course murdering these women (as they did on 9/11) would be ok. They are despicable.

And this is one of the elements that are so disturbing about Islam (note that I am not accusing all muslims to be such hypocrits, I have friends who are not like this at all). In many muslim countries women have to be submitted to men, and do not have the same rights (far from it), while at the same time they are often held responsible for the men's sins (i.e. what they consider as sins). This is why, among millions of injustices, a girl who was raped ended up getting stoned, as the father considered it was his daughter who brought shame on him. There is hundreds (probably more like thousands) of similar cases, sometimes the victim of rape gets stoned or flogged, sometimes she is jailed (and often flogged too) and forced to marry the man who raped her.

If you would like to know more about this, visit this website dedicated to women victim of abuse and so-called "honour killing".

http://stophonourkillings.com/ (If you are worried about clicking on a link, simply do a search for "stop honour killing and stoning". They also have a Twitter account StopHBV.

https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=StopHBV

Ridiculous, but Newsvine posts these tidbits as though they were important issues... dress according to the religious beliefs of the accused???? We have ventured so deeply into the abyss of political correctness we are burying ourselves in medieval religious superstitions.

It seems many of us focused on

Bormann asked the court to order the other women present at the hearing to dress more modestly so as not to distract the defendants, who would be "committing a sin under their faith" by looking at them.

and the fact that mass murder and destruction was not a problem for them.

Kanic, you really hit the nail on the head when you said

Why don't they explain why the night before they carried out their attacks on this country that they were in Vegas with prostitutes-yet it is a sin for them to look at a woman not dressed to their approval. What a bunch of sick MFs. They can rape and kill women, but that is not a sin-yet not being covered up to their standards is a sin.

as well as mentioning the part about the paper airplanes in another one of your posts. Excellent posts, Kanic.

Bormann is so concerned about respecting the sensitivity of her "clients" but the "clients" are only concerned about disrupting the court proceedings. Very "respectful" on their part. Shows just how much remorse they have. (last line is HEAVY sarcasm.)

Bormann and her "clients" are doing everything that they can to turn these court proceedings into a circus.

She is out of her cotton picking mind. Did these monsters give any thought or concessions to the people they murdered before the carried out their horrible acts. Are they so weak that they cannot control themselves? If so these monsters can keep their eyes closed for the duration.

This woman is their defence hahahahaha I love it they don't stand a chance, by rights they cant even talk to her without her bringing a male relative with her, where did they find this wing nut? she just committed professional suicide. that makes as much sense as to wear a swastika to the Nuremberg trials, yes lets show a little respect here by all means they deserve it. I wonder does she go in circles when she walks.

They are disrupting the proceedings. Why are they not being removed from the court??? They have representation. Allow Bormann to continue without her clown clients in the courtroom. They can watch via CCTV, if they are so inclined.

Wow, some of you guys are being absolutely unreasonable. Liberals like myself come on here and say this woman is being ridiculous, say this is our country and they have to abide by our traditions, and you turn it into a political attack against Liberalism. Nice, real nice. So one more time, this is an outrage that the defense is even trying to pull a stunt like this. If they want women to be forced to cover up they should go back to Riyadh. This woman is doing her clients no favors by trying to turn this into a circus.

These are the exact same radical, leftist,socialist,lawyers that at any other time would be screaming about the separation of Church and state, well, so be it,shave off all those scraggly beards, give them all haircuts, and a bath,( for hygiene and safety reasons), put them in the same P.O.W. uniforms as any other captive combatant,demand THEY show respect to Their captors and the legal system They are now subject to, and if They don't , suffer the same consequences as any other captive on trial for war crimes would, no more, no less.

Who are all these people claiming this woman is a Liberal? For all you know, she could be a libertarian. But who cares anyway, she's being ridiculous.

Way up there, I noticed among the other trash talking, any excuse to bash Obama conservatives, this guy osiris-667199, saying what I can only describe as the worst attempt at mirroring I have ever seen.

other peoples' money on illegal aliens. People who value pseudo science and revisionist education......

I'm sorry, what party advocates spending hundreds of millions on border security? Who thinks global warming is a myth? Who believes that biblical teachings should be seen as fact and taught in school? That last one has so many dichotomies for the right it's astonishing. Separation of church and state anyone?

It goes on to claim that liberals are against heterosexual rights, huh? And that we are against white christian males, really?

The idiots who committed the heinous acts on 9/11 will loose their case, no doubt. But there is another danger facing us today. The uneducated voter. People like this are fighting for lowered education standards. They win by creating an environment of fear and distrust. They need to be called out on every occasion.

Technically the attorneys for the Terrorists don't actually have to believe in their client's innocence at all. Their job in our country is to ensure that the client gets the fairest trial, and the best outcome they can, whether they are innocent or guilty. The defense attorneys usually believe in what they are doing, in that they know sometimes their client is guilty, but he still deserves the best trial he can have.

Personally I think this attorney is a nut. I'm betting next week, she'll show up in a birka.

Yeah, this is one instance where liberals and conservatives come together unanimously. It's disgusting to go beyond legal catering to these animals.

So these "men" would be offended by looking at a woman dressed appropriately for an American court? They aren't being forced to stare at the women, if they don't want to see the women dressed in business attire then don't look. Not difficult. This reminds me of the fool who tried to bomb the plane in Detroit some time ago. He didn't want to be tried using American laws. These fools now are going to have the same amount of success with their arguement that the enunch did with his demands. NONE!

I hope the judge is a woman.

@anna, show me where i said (or even implied) the other people in court are guilty or should be forced to wear anything. i know you can't. but i agree with most of you here: if it's a sin to look at a woman, don't look at a woman.

but open your mind and play the smart game. read sun tzu's 'the art of war'. see the bigger picture. whatever you want to call it.

when i first read the article, i started to feel angry too. but then, after peeling back the layers and seeing that she ASKED THE COURT to force other women to do the same, one has to stop thinking about the what and start thinking about the WHY. she's going to fight a losing battle... this is pretty much a given. these guys are already guilty, even though legally, they're not (yet). so i think she's doing at least two things at once... drawing attention to herself (which worked) and she's moving the fight to a battlefield of her own choosing (which looks like it's working). she's also doing other things, but i'll leave that up to you to figure out...

then again, i could be wrong... she could be as dumb as most of you all think she is. but i, for one, wouldn't underestimate her.

Ron, Einstein was quoted as saying science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind, and was quoted as denying atheism

This is the trial that our non-rookie-of-the-year president originally wanted to hold right smack in New York City. It is reaching farce type levels already. Maybe the cloaked female lawyer figures she'll end up appealing her mass murdering clients' convictions based on the shocking dress-code allowed at the trial.

What...is every female in the courtroom supposed to wear a goofy outfit like hers every day ???

Pentagon-paid civilian defense lawyer Cheryl Bormann

First of all, why are WE paying THEIR defense attorney? They have millions to mastermind the 9-11 attacks…..let al quaida pay for their defense!

Attorney Cheryl Bormann, 52, who is from Chicago and is not Muslim, said she wore the modest garment that revealed only her face to show respect for the religious sensitivities of her client, Yemeni terror suspect Walid bin Attash.

Where is the respect of the islamic terrorists that are sitting in court making paper airplanes? Enough with the PC crap and respect, which is something that is EARNED and surely murdering 3000 innocent people doesn’t DESERVE respect!

Sally #186, I am new and behaving but you did slap my wrist a week ago. You look like a Babe in your picture, actually much better than even that. My question : would you go to the Prom with me?? I wanted to ask earlier but was afraid........

I think these defendants deserve to be shown the same degree of respect they showed for the lives of the nearly 3,000 innocent people they murdered, namely, none! The thing that especially bothers me is that the article said this defense attorney is being paid by the Pentagon. That means she is being paid by all of us taxpayers whether we agree with her shenanigans or not.

Andi - You stated Einstein was Jewish. The previous commenter stated Einstein believed in God. Jews believe in God.

Sooooo.....your point was??

If I was in that courtroom, I would wear a shirt cut down to my stomach and a skirt cut up to my thighs just because I can!!!

I agree with the poster above that said about not being against their religion to kill 3,000 innocent people but 2 look at a woman is wrong. WOW!!

Why aren't these guys already dead? Including Ramsey Youseff and the blind sheik? Hang them now forget legal procedures. Hang them and feed their carcasses to the pigs!

Devils son; you should be ashamed of yourself; those pigs did nothing to deserve that fate. Pigs are smart farm animals, they would know better than to eat that garbage!

You know, the United States should just turn Al Qaeda's statement ("We love death more than you love life") on its head: "We love naked women more than you love death!" Proclaiming this will not of course dissuade future suicide bombers (being that the Taliban and the Pakistani mujahideen turned tail and fled the Tora Bora bombardment, apparently not "loving death" very much after all), but it would be a hilarious riposte.

Perhaps it would also get Ayman Al-Zawahiri to poke his head out of the rabbit hole and issue some fatwaddle, and make him vulnerable to a drone strike, since he has been so silent since being named bin Laden's successor by the out-of-ideas Al Qaeda. Ayman! You there?

saxon...

thanks for the LOL!!! ☺

This is a perfect example of why enemy combatants should not be tried in civilian courts. The lawyers will continue to make a circus out of this trial.

@Sally

I normally commend your monitoring, but I must ask what is "off topic" about discussing the religious nature of this issue?

JerkInCoolClothes

@anna, show me where i said (or even implied) the other people in court are guilty or should be forced to wear anything. i know you can't. but i agree with most of you here: if it's a sin to look at a woman, don't look at a woman.

Show me where I said that you said that Jerk (hehehe nice name). I was questioning your statement about them being technically innocent and being entitled to such a request for this reason. But surely you understood my point, you seem like a smart guy even if a bit arrogant (i.e. quote: "smarter people than many of you here are running the show").

I understand what you think she is doing, however I do not believe so, her request is not as uncommon as you seem to think. A muslim student in a class (it was a university if I remember correctly), dressed in "appropriate muslim clothing", requested the exact same thing just a little while ago. It is also common for journalists (and everyone else) to do this when they travel to muslim countries, and when they have to interview muslims (some of them, not all). I am fairly certain that her clients requested this themselves, and wouldn't even communicate with her if she wasn't dressed "appropriately" (again this is pretty common).

And, as you said yourself, it is not a strategic tactic (as upsetting everyone, especially the judge, is usually not a good idea). And if she is trying to draw attention to herself as you said, it is in a negative manner (whether she realises this or not), as I personally wouldn't want a lawyer who is good at p****g everyone off, especially a judge and/or jury. But as I said I don't believe that it is her goal, nor that she is dumb (or not ... I have no idea, I don't know her), I think she is simply complying to her clients' requests.

As far as I'm concerned tho, she, and her clients, can shove their request youknowhere lol.

Ritdog-908299

Here's a question for the libs: What would you rather spend money on: useless show trials like this, or the helpless/sick/welfare types you are always blathering about. Pick one; explain.

I'd really like to help you out here dog...but your question is nonsensical. They are going to get a trial...period. This isn't the middle-east where we just take the accused out and execute them. We do not recognize Sharia Law, nor Biblical Law. Our Judicial system is not run by the Afghan Taliban nor the American Taliban. They either received a military trial or a civilian one. You decide which you'd rather pay for.

Is this woman @!$%#ing kidding???? I guess this is going to be a replay of the unbelievably ridiculous and insulting Charles Manson trial.

I do believe judges have (or used to have) rather broad discretion in dealing with disruptive defendants who try to turn the courtroom into a 3 ring circus, such as either removing them from the court, or actually strapping them down to their chairs and gagging them.

Sounds like this judge should do just that to both the defendants AND defense attorney Bormann.

Think about it ...if a defendant gets a hard on while in court, wouldn't it hurt his case ? (no pun intended)

That is what this defense attorney is doing. Making sure that her client - who has been in prison for last 10 years - does not get an inadvertent woody right there in the court upon seeing her exposed lady parts.

Why would anyone want to come to a country where you are a minority and believe in different laws and punishments? Coming to America to makes no since to me at all unless you are here to change it. Good luck!

Poke their eyes out. Can't be visually offended by what you can't see.

@anna: first, right here: "Ahhhh I see. So the other people in the court are guilty and shouldn't be respected? They should be forced to wear the "appropriate" muslim clothing?"

second, i'm a girl, not a guy.

third, i myself said it WAS a strategic tactic, and i think it's a smart one, IF that's what she's doing.

for what it's worth, i also said i might be wrong... stupid and genius aren't separated by a whole lot.

as for my arrogant statement, i stand behind it... i'm glad most of the people who are posting here aren't in positions of any real power (or, if they are, they're at least trying to be anonymous). it takes a lot to look at a terrorist objectively, bound by all the legalese crap and ethics that most of us aren't bound by.

On Saturday, the self-described mastermind of the attacks Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his co-defendants refused to respond to the judge or use the court's translation system and demanded a lengthy reading of the charges. One of them got up and started praying.

Defense lawyer James Connell called the tactics "peaceful resistance to an unjust system."

Is this comparable to the Taliban system that likes to murder 3,000 innocent people? Some might argue THAT is pretty "unjust" too!!!

Unbelievable nerve on the part of the defense attorneys. Their client is the SELF PROCLAIMED master mind. Do they not know what that means? It means the guy has admitted to it. That means any steps you take to make unreasonable demands of or insult the Court is probably counter productive to your goal of getting them acquitted (unlikely) or off death row.

If you are going to make provocative social commentary about showing respect towards someone's religion, this is not the defendant to start that campaign with. I am not going to sit here and say "every Muslim is a radical", but this guy certainly is. And it was his twisted interpretation of Islam that caused him to become a killer. If anyone has not earned religious respect, it's him. I would show him all the respect in the world if it weren't for the fact that he is a mass murdering f***head!

I normally wouldn"t suggest this, but just this once...

All strippers (or wanna be strippers) should put on their uniforms and fill that courtroom. lol Or, these souless, mass murderers can be respectful of our court, and maybe we won't let the strippers in the room. Maybe we will. Will these evil men melt into oblivion like the wicked witch if they look at strippers dressed in their work attire?

If their brand of morality makes it okay to brutally murder innocent human beings by the thousands, but it's a horrific sin to see a woman's forehead, then I, for one, want no part of that morality.

I'd actually like to run through the courtroom buck nekkid in the hopes that they'd drop dead from the sight of my fat behind.

@somebefuddledperson, Great idea! I think the judge should permit that to happen just once. If there was a god, I'm sure the judge would!

@crying shame, Thanks for the laugh (re: the sight of your fat behind) on an article that is absolutely infuriating and shocking to my female, American sensibilities.

today they dictate what clothes we wear....

tomorrow.....

I hate to admit is, but these guys and their stupid lawyer bring out my inner - infantile - right wing idiot.

Lawyer should be disbarred for 6 months for conduct unbecoming an officer of the court, and the defendants should be dragged out to the parking lot and executed with a steam roller moving at one inch per hour from their feet on up.

Cheryl, Cheryl, Cheryl...

Have you made it this far down the comment list? If so, you may be in luck. I'm one of the very few women here who knows exactly what has happened to you, my dear.

It's not real. You're being played, and no man can play a woman so well. They are MUCH smarter than you think, and they make a specialty of nuance--both the giving and the receiving. Not being fluent in the language is part of the game.

Take that scrap of crap off your head and remember who you are, girl.

Tarzan7

I think Obama would have probably agreed with her.

Don’t forget he will apologize for it too!!

@Jerkincoolclothes

@anna: first, right here: "Ahhhh I see. So the other people in the court are guilty and shouldn't be respected? They should be forced to wear the "appropriate" muslim clothing?"

second, i'm a girl, not a guy.

third, i myself said it WAS a strategic tactic, and i think it's a smart one, IF that's what she's doing.

for what it's worth, i also said i might be wrong... stupid and genius aren't separated by a whole lot.

as for my arrogant statement, i stand behind it... i'm glad most of the people who are posting here aren't in positions of any real power (or, if they are, they're at least trying to be anonymous). it takes a lot to look at a terrorist objectively, bound by all the legalese crap and ethics that most of us aren't bound by.

First: Yes, as I said I was questioning your statement.

Second: Your name looks like a guy's name

Third: Yes you did, your words: "even if it's not a strategic tactic, i can understand why she's doing this"

Fourth: Yes you might be wrong, and I might be too.

Fifth: I think I looked at it pretty objectively myself in my previous post. As I said her request is not uncommon. It is not your general statement that was arrogant (and/or rude), as you are entitled to your opinion and your interpretation of the lawyer's request, it was specifically this sentence: "smarter people than many of you here are running the show", and you know very well what you implied there. And yes surely "smarter people then you are running the show".

Anyways, are we done arguing now?

If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out.

Attorney Cheryl Bormann, 52, who is from Chicago.....

That tells why Ms/Mrs Bormann asked this to be done.....she is from Cheeecago.

Wait a minute, don't want to inflame the Taliban envoy during the "Peace Talks" in Cheeecago with the Obama administration.

See, this is why I hate the Islam stories. I always feel so dirty when I agree with the racist ass-bags. They're right in action, for entirely wrong reasons. I'm right because I've invested the time to think about things and come up with a better answer.

Still, makes me feel like I need to go take a bath and wash all the @!$%# off.

Sally, if you're going to collapse comments based on their religious "trolling" you might as well shut down and delete every single comment on here. This is a religious based article, if you don't like the comments, you should have never left it open to interpretation.

Yes, I flagged your post.

There is being respectful of another faith, and then being hypocritical

I'd say my respect for another faith ends when that faith tramples the civil, sovereign sense of liberty for my fellow human beings.

How about we spend a little less time "respecting" faith, and a little more time living up to the respect and common courtesy that we owe ourselves and our fellow species?

I agree. In fact, I disrespect all faiths equally.

See, THIS is why separation of church and state is highly important. Those jackasses wanted (or at least got) a woman lawyer. They're probably really upset about that, but more importantly, they've already attempted to assert their authority over her by "encouraging" (most likely with lots of butthurt and maybe even threats) her to dress in what they deem to be "appropriate" clothing. She's already at the point where she thinks their religious "sensibilities" should dominate the dress code of others in the court.

Now, I'm a liberal, and you right wingers love to paint me as some bleeding heart who cries to the government when I stub my toe. No, I'm more about keeping religion out of government, and this is a perfect example of why. If the court has to kowtow to one religious sensibility, it has to kowtow to all of them, or run the risk of violating the 1st Amendment. This woman is probably a liberal, and may be just passing along a request from her clients as she should, though she should have known from the beginning all it would do is piss the judge off. She may need to do a better job of briefing her clients as to what is and is not acceptable in the courtroom.

My guess, though, is that these men have imposed their restrictions on those they deal with. Anyone they can have power over, they choose to exercise it. It's not just that, it's the first time they've had power over anyone or anything since they've been taken captive. Also probable that they want to remain defiant, since the trial is pretty much just for show anyway. They figure they have no way out, might as well make a big stand for the dog and pony, let their fellow terrorists know they have not buckled, and die as they wish.

It could be admirable; silly, but admirable. If they weren't a bunch of @!$%#ing murderers.

Religious sensetivities?They can all go to hell!!!!If satan was on trial, do you think theyd dress up with horns and blood cause they didnt want to hurt his feelings?What about the feelings of the victims families? What a smack in the face....paid for by the american tax dollars, too!!!!!Makes me wanna puke

Well said Janstince.

This woman has no respect for herself that she will stoop to their demands in her own country wth! have respect for yourself, and they were planning on killing you and all around you no matter what it took

Ludicrous

Like anyone cares about what she wants or doesn't want. We have freedom of religion in the USA, and that can and does mean for me "freedom from religion". Her wants and desires mean nothing to me, just another Islamic kook who thinks that "their" religion trumps anything else, it doesn't, and it never will.

Actually, it's pretty funny. They have no respect for women at all, we're lower than dogs to these monsters. Yet they got a woman to defend them! lol. I still think she's a 12 colored moron for dressing in a way that's appropriate to them, but I can't help but feel like it's hilarious they are being represented by a woman. lol

Her attire is a slap in the face for the thousands of friends and family of the 3000 people that these savages murdered. She should be removed from the court and the case.

The unmitigated gall of these muslims. They're not satisfied with imposing their draconian modesty views in their own countries; they expect other countries to accede to their dress code demands. They're acting like animals in court, so perhaps they should be fitted with shock collars to limit their disruptions and other antics, their lawyer (the one that dresses in the burlap baggie) too.

This attorney should be disbarred fr even making the request and wasting the courts time. There is no justification for trying to force women to adhere to this backward religion's tenets in a free country. The other women in the courtroom were dressed appropriately and professionally, there is no call to ask them to do anything different. This woman is pandering to these animals by wearing that stupid hijab in court. If anything the court should tell her to stop wearing it as she is not muslim and it is not appropriate dress for a non-muslim American lawyer in and American courtroom. This woman is showing disrespect for women all over the world who are forced my these animals to wear this ridiculous garment.

Perhaps she should also volunteer for genital mutilation... you know, out of "respect" for her client's whacky religious beliefs?

When is the world going to wake up: religion deserves NO respect inherently. Only the actions of its adherents deserve respect, but the same is true of any atheist or agnostic conducting the same actions.

Faith is NOT a virtue, nor an issue of respect. Actions ARE.

Thank you, Jon. That's exactly the type of thing I'm after.

It's not what you believe, it's how you act. Now, there are those that argue that beliefs are the gateways to action, and that you will always act on how you believe. I'm less into this, because I don't have the patience or time to try to go around changing everyone's minds. And, despite what the Christian Reich Right goes around spouting out, I'm not interested in creating a Thought Crimes division of the police.

Basically, I want all the religious nutters (including the more "liberal" ones) to rethink their basic principles on which they base their morality, study the effects of their actions, and use that knowledge to remove actions that hurt others and increase actions that help others. Approach your decisions rationally, and observe more the actual effects rather than your personal intent.

It's not what you believe, it's how you act.

You don't think beliefs shape actions? Please explain.

Personally, I feel this is the problem .... our propensity to simply gloss over what people claim they believe and move on without addressing the consequences of those beliefs.

It's not about creating a division of thought-crime police. Since when does anybody keep beliefs in the mind? That's the problem, if they did, we wouldn't need to have this conversation.

"Yuppie Muslim", likes all the theory but if she lived there tradition would call for a a$$ whippin everyday for looking at a male family member wrong. Go over there sweetie and I betcha don't like it much.....

Yet another college educated Idiot.. No thought about how they use women, selling and trading them like used cars..

Tammy - even if she was appointed, she doesn't have to kowtow to their ways. If these so-called men can't control themselves around a women (who are moderately dressed per American standards), then that's their problem. The women on the prosecution side have NO obligation to subjugate themselves to these Muslim extremists.

I say we just shoot them all, a little bit at a time, so as to inflict the most pain. Forget the stupid show trial. They are guilty and proud of it and do NOT deserve any respect or justice whatsoever. Throw in the traitor defense lawyers too. I am sick to death of our American rights slowly being taken away from us while slime like these Muslim terrorists get anything they demand.

Yet another college educated Idiot..

Wow, people like you really exist. I thought you guys were just a Santorum-induced caricature.

BTW, next time you take a flight or make a cell-phone call, please remember to thank your local "college-educated idiot".

Tammy,

Who cares if they cooperate with her, who cares if they talk at all to any one? Let them sit and rot in jail for all I care. You are an a$$ for even trying to defend her actions or theirs...

JM, I work at a University, the only difference between a person who goes to college and not ,is a piece of paper and in a lot of cases money.

“You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant.”
― Harlan Ellison

JM, nice quote changes nothing.

Prove that she's a liberal..,and NOTHING from Faux News

How do you know she's liberal? I'm a liberal and I think the request is crazy. Having women cover themselves up and be extremely modest seems much more like a conservative viewpoint than a liberal one. The lawyer is probably a conservative Muslim herself. If she were a liberal Muslim she would probably not be in a hijab. And in this country it is much more of a conservative viewpoint that girls/women should stay covered and not tempt men into acting badly.

Wi Voter: "Having women cover themselves up and be extremely modest seems much more like a conservative viewpoint than a liberal one."

WELL SAID! Absolutely! How on earch could you equate covering your entire body with Liberalism?

@wi voter - The article stated she wasn't a Muslim.

But if she is doing it just to appease these murderers it is quite a liberal statement.. If she wants to take it to the next level she should be beaten by these men for being educated in the first place.. It is a shameful sin for a woman to be defending and speaking for them as well although they do not acknowledge any court/laws except the Sharia Islamic Cults..

WHAT?-4099780

Wi Voter: "Having women cover themselves up and be extremely modest seems much more like a conservative viewpoint than a liberal one."

WELL SAID! Absolutely! How on earch could you equate covering your entire body with Liberalism?

It's fairly obvious the poster is equating liberalism with the idea that she (the lawyer) should be PC about her clients and "respect" their religion by wearing the hijab. It's not the act of covering her entire body, it's the PC-following reasons behind it. Not saying I agree with her (or you, for that matter), but it's clear that you and wi voter didn't understand what was written because you just wanted to "attack" a poster who would dare say anything about liberalism that you don't agree with. The poster's point is crystal clear if it is read without such bias.

@ What? A Conservative wouldn't comprimse who they are by giving in to criminals demands. Therefore, what's left? Liberals.

Or your alternative is "she's stupid." Take your pick.

Actually, you're half right. This IS America, and WE dress any way we like! That's the beauty of America.

Classic liberal multi-culturalism move. No doubt. Conservatives treat criminals like criminals.

First of all, these guys are NOT Muslims. They are in actuality, Muslim infidels. American Muslim men do not walk around with blinders on in grocery stores, public streets or parks...do they? So, when they see hundreds of American women who are NOT Muslims bareheaded, they look. I've seen enough of them do this. Their wives choose to cover their heads as a sign of respect for their religion. This too shall pass....count on it.

As for conservatives treating criminals like criminals..yes...we see how predatory conservatives treat those they label...using misguided judgement and then it's ready, aim, fire. But just try and get a single neocons to EVER admit they are wrong or that their ideology is pure puke and their eyes twirl in their heads while their tongues tie in knots.

Conservatives today are nut jobs who are desperate to be kings of the universe so their queens can play ritzy titzies in their Dolce & Gabbanas and their Manolo Blahniks.

Good gosh... People, lawyers tell their clients how to dress all the time. They wear certain clothing to get advantages in the court room. This is just part of the defense strategy. Are you all really that naive?

ewent, is that all conservatives, generalize much, just as all Liberals don't believe in God. Believe it or not conservatives as well as Liberals all love their country, and although we are going thru rough times, we must be doing something right or we wouldn't be number one in the world

wlee...Sorry but the neocons with the loudest voices are the ones we hear the vitriol most from. Not people like you with their heads and hearts in the right places. My major reason for loathing of conservative ideology of today? It isn't the conservatism of Eisenhower or Stevenson or any of the other conservatives who deserved respect. Today's conservatives have no problem ignoring their own culpability and accountability while they destroy the unity of this country.

Personally, I don't buy into ideology. It's silly enough that we have a party who can't win an election honestly and without game playing. It's bad enough that one ideology pits itself against the other while one religion does the same to another.

Anyone else fed up to the teeth with all of the rabble rousing?

What are we 'number one in the world' of? Everything? Just because we say so? Pounding your chest and screaming 'we're number one' doesn't make it so.

All this thread is proving to me is that most conservatives have no idea of what Liberals stand for outside of what Rush and Glenn Beck have told them. I think this woman is an idiot and doing nothing to help her clients, but EVERYBODY has a right to due process and a fair trial, even human garbage like these guys. Do you "freedom lovers" really want to start going down this road?

PeanutButterandJelly; What you really mean is conservatives treat all the accused as if they're guilty.

This requirement most likely came with the huge oil stained retainer she got from the Islam-o-Fascists cult ..

Actually Roadrunner, if you read the article you would see that WE are paying for their defense.

IMHO? These Muslim men knew exactly what they were doing when they chose this particular female lawyer. They are showing Americans they can even control a member of the American Bar Association if they so desire.

Where exactly does the ABA stand on this woman's handling of this trial and her pathetic sympathizer remarks? It's the silliest thing I've ever heard of expecting her not to be anesthetized by these guys. Sure, they are entitled to a defense. Just not the overlapping Sharia law she is trying to inject into their trial.

As a woman, all I see are murderous men so sexually frustrated they can't even look at women without their testicles swelling in pain. Now you could understand this if they were eunochs. But these are men endowed with the same biological urges since the days of the Neanderthals.

The proof of their ridiculous contortions of their faith is their turning to murder to satiate what only sex can. So they shave every hair off their bodies except their faces and somehow that is supposed to shut down their biologically implanted sexual urges? Yet, their women, beneath those hijabs have long, beautiful hair they have to keep covered because their men might become titillated at the sight?Why not force their women to cut their hair like the nuns used to do then?

Eating bbq pork. ;) Even the norwegians were taunting their nutcase. In your face dirtbags!!!.

I thought it was a joke. I couldn't believe she actually did it and suggested others to do the same. Its almost like she wants them to be convicted.

Angus: "Though I think it best that all women dress modestly,etc"

And what about men--should they dress modestly too?

I agree with ChynnaBlue (#14 below): "I've never understood why it's up to the women to cover up to keep the men from committing a sin by looking at them."

That goes for rape or any other assaults on women by men. Men need to control themselves--if they cannot do that--then why should they try to control women? Control yourselves first and formost. Lead by example, men!

Angus - How do you define modest? I'm pretty sure that the women in the courtroom are dressed "modestly" per American courtroom standards. They are probably wearing suits (skirt, blouse, and jacket).

WHAT, cuz islam is such a weak cult that it cant even control its men, tolerate cartoons or handle democracy.

Peanut Gallery...May I be the first to say, "Men today are nuts." Now...your post omits that it is a man's personal responsibility to control his lust. You expect that of women don't you? So why give men a free pass just because they are testosteronies?

The problem with most religions is what it has been since its dawning: male domination. You guys are the silliest bunch of fools in history yet. You can't stand each other. Set each other up for failure and then when you need to blame, take those hawk noses and go looking for a woman dumb enough to stand there and accept blame that belongs to men and only men.

This is a man's world alright...and just look at what the hell you guys did to it.

ewent, and women have no blame? Men can be total a-holes at times, but so can women. Don't blame men because women don't stand up for themselves

wlee...Picture this ...a 4 ft 11 inch woman standing up to a 6 ft. man. We didn't have to have laws to protect women from control freak men for no reason. Notice how there aren't as many laws to protect men from women? It's because feed on control freakage. Women can hardly stand up to bully males who carry guns and kill women for no reason other than "standing up to them".

Sorry, in my 65 years I've been able to respect righteously only a handful of men who were brilliant, honest and trusthworthy. The rest weren't worthy of a particle of my attention.

And no. Women are NOT to blame. It's a "man's world" or so you all all ram down our throats constantly. Women can't even get a place in the White House for the bully bois out there shoving us to the back burner.

There are 2 million Americans in prison. 99% of them are men. Excuses please? If men would stop trying to commit the perfect crime with zero culpability, life on the planet wouldn't be what it is now.

ewent, although I agree with you that men have the majority of blame, I still have to disagree that women are faultless.BTW prisons are filling up with criminal women, and yes it's about time we had a female President the guys haven't exactly done a bang up job.

wlee, it's no use arguing with ewent. She's a femi-nazi hellbent on destroying every single man she sees. Every single post of hers somehow manages to end up about how she's so strong and men are so evil. It's only a little ridiculous.

Funny the way they justify their atrocities and sins..

It is simple, Women are second class slaves to the devout Islamist male.. In their world they have few rights and can be any way that their backward Cult of hate allows..

Oh please, Roadrunnero, this isn't just a Muslim thing. This happens in America and it's secular. Women here get blamed for rape because they "wanted it" and you can tell by "the way they dressed." That happens here in America all the time. I even know other WOMEN who believe it. Women as second class citizen is NOT an idea limited to Islam.

Oh please, Roadrunnero, this isn't just a Muslim thing. This happens in America and it's secular. Women here get blamed for rape because they "wanted it" and you can tell by "the way they dressed." That happens here in America all the time. I even know other WOMEN who believe it. Women as second class citizen is NOT an idea limited to Islam.

I was born and raised Roman Catholic (but I'm much better now) and am old enough to remember all of the lectures the girls got about 'avoiding the near occasion of sin.'

Which translates to 'don't do anything or dress in any way that's going to make the boys think about sex.' Never mind that it's teenage boys and we had to do was be female and breathing. The responsibility for THEIR 'sin' of having sexual thoughts was 1000% on us. You're not even supposed to use a white tablecloth, because it would make them think of bedsheets.

Pretty much any patriarchal religion blames the 'inferior' female for all the evils of the world. Since western culture is based on those religions, it's prevalent in secular belief too.

In America, women can dress like hookers, but men are not allowed to look at them wrong let alone act on their natural instincts. Granted, Muslim men should have better control over themselves. American men can have enough discipline not to jump every female they see, Muslim men can learn.

If the female attorney for the defendants chooses to wear traditional female Muslim attire, then it is her decision. However, female JAGS are required to stay in uniform. What the lawyer requested was wrong. If the defendants refuse to participate in their own trial, can they legally be tried in absentia? If it is against their religion for women to participate in human activities (not limited to 2nd class status) and the men aren't supposed to interact with females outside of their family, then aren't they sinning by having her as their attorney?

John Lennon

"Women is the @!$%# of the World"

A perception of muslim males, as using the term "men" would be insulting to all other men, is that they are weak and inferior to males of other faiths. Since they can not control thier base "animalistic" desires to not sin, therefore they force women to coverup to make up for their weakness. It is the women's fault if she is raped, or abused not the males as women are inferior to muslim males. "Two women are to take the place of one man because women are lacking in reason, as Muslim narrated in his Saheeh" (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/336). In reading of the book of the false prophet mohammad shows that his followers have twisted his words to protect their male ego's by putting down women and blaming women for the failings of males, similar to the adam and eve story about the apple. Adam ate the apple, but the woman got blamed for his sin.

1pov - men's 'natural instincts'? Really?

1POV -- you can look all you. If a woman doesn't want to be looked at, she wouldn't dress in a way that attracts attention. If I were dressed in a provocative manner, I would expect men to look.

However, you may NOT force that attention on her. Rape is not a 'natural instinct.'

The atheist religion; the relentless attack on people of faith via humiliation and hollow pragmatisim. I don't know who I find more boring. The bible thumping phoney, or the "nothing" thumping atheist.

or the "nothing" thumping atheist

{reads with a grin}

you must live a really lame existence if you think just because someone doesn't believe in fairies and goblins that they must obviously believe life is cloaked in "nothingness".

.....why do all of you atheists have to be such bigoted boors.......you preach more than a Baptist minister without the charm....

and Quoter..."atheist religion"? I thought atheists had no religion?!?!

Some courts have upheld that atheism is in itself a religion. Not all of them, and apparently so far, all have been lowwer courts ... but it's coming! Ha Ha ... what a crack in the cojones for the atheists.

A quick look at the dictionary, if people still use those things, reveals that atheism isn't a religion by definition. If pointing you to the definition of "religion" doesn't persuade you, then you might not possess the cognitive capabilities necessary to grasp the concept. I can only hope that you do.

Also, it wasn't too long ago that a woman sued a hospital she got a CAT scan from over the loss of her psychic powers and won just under one million dollars. Look it up if this is the first time you've heard it. Evidently court rulings are a poor measure of objective and rational logic.

Chad, Jesus hated no one, his goal was to defeat sin so all could share the table with God

Who said anything about Jesus?

Jesus was a spiritual philosopher .... more than likely a real person. One ahead of his time regarding human compassion and altruism. But probably never said (or obviously did) a great deal of the things attributed to him through the men who established their cult in his name.

I respect Jesus a great deal, just like I respect a great deal of other thinkers who were far ahead of their time. What's your point?

Chad, my point is that in Christian belief Jesus is God, and as you said our God hates Gays, I say God doesn't hate Gays, just the act of their sexual desire. Whether or not you believe , time will tell

I say God doesn't hate Gays, just the act of their sexual desire.

What you think your god likes or dislikes is completely irrelevant. We live in a secular society based on human values established through shared human experience, not what we think your gods would like or dislike. Your welcome to your beliefs ... just stop projecting them onto others.

Uh Chad, Jesus turned water into WINE. If you're going to be so arrogantly postured against religion and primarily I mean Christian beliefs, you should at least get your facts right.

This is what the LORD says: By this you will know that I am the LORD: With the staff that is in my hand I will strike the water of the Nile, and it will be changed into blood.

Exodus 7:17–18

Are God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost not represented through the Holy Trinity as one?

Don't be angry. You're not the first Christian I've stumbled across who knows less about their own faith than an atheist does.

Chad, I haven't projected anything on anyone, you're the one doing that. In case you missed my last point, time will tell whether or not God exist. In the mean time, I'm in no position to judge anyone's life nor will I insult anyone's decision on where they stand as far as believing or not

> Chad, I haven't projected anything on anyone

> I say God doesn't hate Gays, just the act of their sexual desire.

So essentially, god doesn't hate the sinner, but the sin, correct?

What are we told happens to those sinners? Where do those sinners go when they die, wlee?

So essentially, your god gives us free will ... but you better use it as he sees fit, or else you'll spend an eternity in torment and hell-fire?

This isn't a projected ultimatum?

You're going to have to do better within your logical gymnastics than that my friend.

Chad, I can no more prove the existence of God as you can to disprove. Belief in God comes from faith. Sinners who ask for forgiveness and repent are forgiven, others who are actually shown the existence and refuse to repent are dealt with by their creator, if God exist you can take it up with him. You think you are the only one who questions his actions. As a believer I too have many questions. Hopefully one day I'll have the answers

Chad, I can no more prove the existence of God as you can to disprove.

We can't disprove fairies exist on the darkside of the moon, either. Do we go about our days worrying about what fairies think of our sexual merits? Nope. We can, however, ask what evidence exists to postulate such an existence.

And what evidence do we find? None.

Not just for the existence of fairies ... or for the existence of your god, but for all other gods who came before. These gods were all once in good-standing with their adherents, but are now buried in the crypts of mythology where they belong.

Belief in God comes from faith.

Faith just means you're willing to believe in anything (regardless of the evidence). Regardless of what you've been taught, this isn't a virtue my friend.

Sinners who ask for forgiveness and repent are forgiven, others who are actually shown the existence and refuse to repent are dealt with by their creator

I can't believe you can type that and keep a straight face.

"Repent, forgiveness, dealt with".

Really?

You believe in an all-powerful, all-knowing, perfect creator of the universe .... but one that has such petty, archaic and violent concepts associated with it? Your god sounds like a vindictive, violent, tribal and jealous little man.

Come to think of it, he sounds just like the tribal, violent and archaic men who invented the faith. I wonder why that is?

If Jesus could see what your faith has become ... the one created to glorify his name ... he'd be appalled.

I know you would never admit this, but deep down I think you know I have a point.

Chad.

It's better than that. God knows all past and future so the fact that there are unrepentant atheists (like Me) would mean that he/she/it created us specifically to populate his hell and suffer eternally. Not the kind of god any rational being would worship. First thing I do is drain the lake of fire and get the AC fixed. Than I'm taking over and we are going after that nasty old boy.

A good Catholic like Adolph Hitler is probably floating around on a cloud for doing gods work.

Actually they might, as islam is the only recognized religion that allows girls to be sold off by the fathers and raped. You will see more child molesters claiming being islam converts as a defense for actions, which the courts will have to allow because of religious freedoms. Article about current rules for marriage. The link will not post, so google "Age no barrier to marriage in Islam" for the article.

Respect is one thing. Becoming a victim of pressure brought on from faith is another.

Trying to figure out if you are just baiting people into an arguement or if you are the thickedt person on the face of the earth. they'd slit your throat for whatever faith you hold.

Respect yes. Bow down? That is what this is , Go to afganistan or any other Foreign State run by the Muslim Religion and see if you can honor their requests. Make sure you bring your wife , mother and or daughters. It would be different if they were in a mosque or their home but this is court and they are being prosecuted. How much respect is that lawyer really giving? Is she a muslim ? I do not know and really do not care. Why are they even getting a trial ? Are they American citizens? She should take her request and shove it under her curtains. What a joke. They dont have much self discipline if they can't control themselves and what they look at. Where is their respect for us? Maybe they should concentrate on the fact that they may get life imprisonment. I think that would be first and foremost on my mind not the hot chick in the gallery, but maybe not, if you can be easily brainwashed maybe you can't have any self control. They should be put to death.

nothing new here

Her decision to wear the hijab was respected. What else do you want? Ordering people what they can and cannot wear is the mindset of the people on trial.

This is just posturing and gamesmanship from the attorney who's trying to win the case. No need for everybody to get their undies in a bunch here.

You have got to be kidding.Respect for these animals,what a friggin joke.What kind of respect did they show for the people in the World Trade Center,the people in The Pentagon , and how about the people in the planes.They didn't give a damm about them.These a--holes need to be put in a hole and napalm dropped on them so they can burn just like our people did.Screw there rights,they are enemy combatants,they have no rights.

Why?

It wasn't the prosecutor who requested it.. it was the defense attorney kdiddu. Try READING the article before posting about it...then you won't sound so ignorant.

Then you could be seen as a "true" follower since according to the bible, man and woman were created perfect in god's image and were nude while in a state of perfection. Genesis 2:25. So people who wear clothes must be ashamed of being made in their god's image, and god's son states that who ever is ashamed of of them, they will be turned away from heaven. So logic would dictate that anyone striving for perfection in god's image would be nude and challenge any rules that restricted this religious right.

That's what started this whole mess.

Since when would ANY Marine want to see her in a Marine uniform? Talk about disrespect!

Point well taken Darth.

She nor the other traitors, would disrespect a uniform by putting it on.

Who cares if they "think" they may sin, Hang the Bastarts, and do it soon. They have lived to long.

Bury them in a hog feeding area and let the swine pack the ground!!!

This Bormann woman is probably thinking that her client(s) will be found guilty (rightfully so) -- and is setting the stage for a mis-trial or an appeal. After all, how can these Muslim persons focus on they'er defense when they are consumed by lascivious thoughts. The point being that Muslim males cannot control themselves when confronted with a woman that is not completely covered by cloth.

I've got one thing to say but being polite I will refrain from saying what you all know I want to say...

And another thing -- these males are already acting the role of lust crazed idiots by turning off the translator, praying in court in the midst of proceedings, and not answering questions put to them. Ah, what tangled webs are being weaved.

So if this so called female lawyer is representing a prostitute , She is going to dress that way out of respect for her social culture?

I dont think so......