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Subscribe to RSSA knife-wielding man was shot by police officers responding to a domestic dispute on New York City's Upper East Side Monday, law enforcement sources told NBCNewYork.com. The suspect's mother was also struck by the gunfire.
It happened at about 2:14 p.m. ET at 408 E. 65th Street. Police said a woman called 911 to say her 22-year-old brother was holding their mother at knifepoint.
"The police trucks started coming in, and sirens were going all over, cops were running," Amy Emery, who was in the area attending a job interview, said. "People were running around, they were actually screaming and running away from that area."
Responding officers arrived to find Edgar Soto and his mother in the sixth-floor hallway outside their apartment, authorities said. The officers called for back-up, and a sergeant arrived with a stun gun and deployed it on Soto, to no effect.
That's when Soto turned to approach the police officers with the knife, police said. Two officers fired a total of five shots, and Soto was shot in the abdomen, side and groin.
His mother, identified as 49-year-old Flora Soto, was hit in the buttocks, police said.
Both were taken to New York Presbyterian Hospital with non-life threatening injuries.
It's not clear what sparked the dispute.
Longtime friends of Edgar Soto said there was no warning for what happened.
"It's shocking," neighbor Steve Letavish said. "I knew the kid for awhile. I give him a high-five when I see him. You don't believe it until you hear it for yourself, and you can't go home because of it."
Another neighbor, Daniel Brown, said, "My heart hurts for the father. I've known him for a long time."
Edgar Soto's father is said to be a longtime city sanitation supervisor. He could not be located Monday.
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They're all good kids until suddenly... Suicide by cop. How is it no one ever sees it coming? Families often seem to be such strangers to each other.
Been going on for decades, pally -- strangers in the same room for years. Couldn't explain the how and why of it, but was raised that way myself. My family was just those other four people who shared the same space...
Robert Soto where were you when this happened ?
What restraint the NYPD showed...usually they shoot blacks and Latinos dead even when they don't have a weapon.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/08/us/california-police-beating/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Law suit coming as always..shot me in the AZZ and was the victim.
Can't explain how or why? I say 9 times out of 10, it's because of drugs and/or alcohol. VERY, very rarely does someone go off the deep end who has been sober for a prolonged period of time.
So is shooting the victim now par for the course for the police? If theres no dog to shoot, gotta shoot the victim instead?
Clearly the woman was caught in the cross-fire, so to speak.
I thought cops were trained not to shoot if innocent bystanders were behind the perp. Surely the cops could have positioned themselves so that at least one was able to shoot with no one behind if the guy charged with the knife.
But as usual, there aren't enough details to know why what went down went down the way it did.
Piss poor shooting by the police... shame on them...
If the police have to resort to shooting, why not shoot to disable? Why do people always end up dead? Makes you fear even calling the police suspecting you'll be killed, too.
"Well, we just killed everybody. No more problems this way."
Hard to say yet, but it is possible that the mother got hit because once her son turned towards the cops she may have gone after him to save him, stop him. Granted, she wasn't safe with her son whatsoever but a mother's instincts may have still kicked in.
No one knows the family dynamics, but it's hard to believe that if this wasn't drug induced he hadn't been in some way abusive before. We may not get all the details, because stories like these don't always warrant following up as so much more, and worse, happen daily....
Max....how the hell do you know it was piss poor shooting? Did you have a front row seat and witness everything that happened? moron.
You can't have a standoff forever. At some point the bullets must fly. It was the son's fault...not the police.
Blueburner, you watch too many movies. When your life is threatened, you don't or can't shoot to wing them, you have to shoot to stop them.
@oilman - As to the shooting quality: Look at the distance (point blank in the hallway) and shot placement (1 miss, 1 hits the hostage in the buttocks, 3 hits on the perp: groin, side, buttocks) - yes, it is piss poor shooting IMO. At quarters like that, a lack of single chest hit from trained police officers is a disgrace. I will not call you names, but you know very little about proper firearms use by trained personnel.
Oilman: I think Max's reference was to the number of shots fired, and the fact that no one had life-threatening injuries. Just an example of how the police can't win when they draw their weapons. If they shoot to kill, they're trigger happy. If they shoot to disable, they're poor shots.
It's all in the objective they're trying to accomplish....
It is time to BAN Knives!!
@Had Enough - there are rather clear procedures for the police in hostage situations once it has been determined that firearm use is justified - it is shoot to totally disable the assailant (translation: shoot to kill). There is no doubt that the officers TRIED to do just that, but their shooting skills were rather lacking.
Shot right in the buttocks!
What a bummer!
Max: I'm not saying I know what happened, but isn't it likely that the cops could not get a clear "kill shot" because the suspect was using his mother as a shield? Thas would help explain why she got shot in the butt, too...
The article did not say he charged the police when they shot. It stated that he turned to face them. So, why is it necessary to start shooting (and hit the hostage)? Was he going to discharge the knife and the police would be shot with it? The fault lies with the perp of course, but police need to use good judgement instead of always itching to shoot someone. I don't want to hear about how tough they have it. If you can't do a job properly, then do something else. That's what happens to the rest of us
No it says "turned to approach the police officers with the knife."
@HE - If you do not have a clear shot, you do not shoot, period. But they managed to hit the perp 3 out of 5 times, which makes me believe that he was quite open. Low hits at such a close range usually means that the shots were fired almost unaimed, and that is why the hostage was hit as well. Since the guy did not have a gun, the officers had a clear advantage and should have aimed a lot better. I really doubt they were aiming at this guys crotch and buttocks - these are not disabling shots.
1. Look at his age, 22. Very possibly a young man entering the throes of schizophrenia, which tends to first manifest itself in the teens.
2. Knives are considered to be as dangerous or more so than a than a handgun. There is a very disturbing but informative film from Caliber containing interviews of law enforcement personnel attacked with an edge weapon. The police had no real choice but to shoot. It is possible that the mother ran into the path of gunfire when she heard the shots.
3. In a gunfight from a distance of 20 feet, most shots will miss, according to statistics from the FBI.
You sure are happy to jump on the Cops, for doing their jobs. They tired a stun gun on him first. and it did nothing, Sounds to me like he was on drugs or something, usually a stun gun knocks you on your rear. No one was there so they don't know how close he was to the police, how wide the hall was, there are so many what ifs. If you do something stupid like hold a knife to your mother, and the police are called something is so going happen depending on what the persons reaction is. I'm glad no one was killed, and I hope they don't let the family sue. It ends up costing the tax payers in the end.
Went for the head shot, but hit the wrong body part. Guess real life ain't like the video games.
Love all the "experts". Now if these people would stand perfectly still like those papers targets used by the same experts, this would have been different.
Don't you morons realize that panic shooting isn't the same as shooting at the range? It's a bit harder to line your sights up and take your time when you're getting charged by a guy with a knife. It sucks that the cops shot the mother on accident, but at least she'll live.
Well if people were like those Shoot-N-C splatter targets so you could see where you hit.....oh wait.
"His mother, identified as 49-year-old Flora Soto, was hit in the buttocks, police said."
Does that mean the bullet hit both cheeks? Double bummer!
just makes me want to shoot a cop in the buttocks, guess he had trouble firing on the range? who is this cop anyways? any body know?
Wow and I missed all the exitement ... Oh wait no I didn't because I was four blocks away and could hear the sirens. -.- I miss the house I had back in the country now. Just get away from all this hell. But I'll keep what I've got because it's the only home where my family lives and will live on in. Still getting shot in the ass or the dick...I think I'd take a cattle prod up my ass.
The mom got shot in the butt?
That's some fine police work there Lou.
Me thinks someone watches too much TV
That was right after the mom said "son, you have been such a pain in the a... (*BANG*) Owwww! I've been hit!..."
lmfao ... :D
Damn! Tough day. First your kid pulls a knife on you, then you get shot in the ass. Makes you wonder where'd it all go wrong.
And, you can't sit down for weeks.
Why don't they have a "down" button for posts????
maybe she will get to eat lots and lots of ice cream.....
ban knives
Fail joke.
You realize they actually tried to ban knives in London a few yrs ago correct?
Why? They have other purposes besides killing.
Why yes, they do. Some people like to use them for cooking. I know I certainly do, and I have over twenty of them, of all different sizes and shapes. Oh, and I also cut my steak with one. Does that make me a potential criminal?
Yes.
Knives Kill
Banning guns in London increased the crime rate. Only the criminals have them. That's what I can't figure out why the USA's gun haters still want to ban them.
Take my knives??? From my cold, dead hands!! : D
Sax1031
ban knives
Ban you.
EVERYONE is a POTENTIAL murderer
until they have a dirt address .
So you logic is that of the same "Guns kill" thing too? How stupid can people get?(sarcasm) A knife or gun is not a form of sapient life people they don't walk, talk or steam press my tuxedo so therefor they don't kill. People and animals kill ... Oh wait people and animals are the same.
I am just a bit curious as to "a sergeant arrived with a stun gun and deployed it on Soto, to no effect." Why not? Any ideas?
Poor conduction? Low batteries? Could be any number of reasons. Pepper spray is so much more reliable.
If a person is on PCP, that sometimes happens. I'm sure there are quite a few reasons though.
I wouldn't immediately leap to PCP.
Both prongs need to stick to create a circuit, if one of the prongs gets stuck in clothing or misses.. it won't work.
Bad aim...perhaps drugs, its easy for someone high on certain things to not feel the pain its even easy to train yourself on being shot with a stun gun...If you are a criminal, this is a good practice.
Maybe he shot the mom with the stun gun instead of the kid. That would just be perfect.
Shoulda used Duracell!
Stun guns don't work well on people high on certain drugs. What would you have the cops do? Let her get her throat sliced open by a possibly drugged up man by waiting him out? Geez! If she was killed by her son most of you would be crying out against the police for not doing anything! Can't win.
Naw, ya'll wrong, soto was just too hairy for any sort of conductivity, rendering the stun gun useless. Surprise the bullets didn't bounce off of him.
But the "perp" doesn't dance around so much when pepper sprayed. Not as entertaining.
Hey pnisher, is that why a stun gun won't work on Bigfoot?
Cops need more effective non-lethal weapons. If the suspect didn't have a gun on him, there is no reason to shoot him. Bear spray would've worked perfectly fine. These cops are no less maniacs.
So a knife is not a deadly weapon?
@AB-1981: you may want to do some research before flapping at the gums. A knife is a deadly weapon and a person (one who is not on drugs) could cross the span of 21 feet under 1.5 seconds. With a knife, that is a deadly weapon. That is why the "Tuellers Drill/Law" exists. This is the 21 foot rule: (for Law enforcement) if someone has a knife out, and is within 21 feet the gun MUST be drawn out of the holster and at the ready otherwise that person with the knife could cross that distance and stab the officer.
Not sure if I spelled it correctly but I have done the tests and the average was 21 feet and the time about under 2 seconds. How long does it take you to process an event? You may want to try it and see because your brain must first process the information being witnessed before the brain can come up with a defense and if there is not a trained defense then ...... you become the victim.
I teach these classes all of the time, have the experience and have done the needed research. Dont be so quick to bash law enforcement (which I am not, never have been) because in some cases they may be the only ones you have left the help you.
A knife is a deadly weapon. But how many cops were there to take down this one knife wielder. I guess you don't use and Atom Bomb to stop a deringer.
Unlike the Zimmerman case, this sounds like it truly was self-defense.
As disabled vet said above, a person with a knife can cross the distance and put that knife in your throat before you even get your gun up and to the ready. It's basic protocol to treat a knife as a deadly weapon, because they HAVE proven to be deadly vs a gun. Even if shot, at close range a person weilding a knife can still do some major damage or kill another before collapsing. An individual with a knife within 20ft is very serious.
"The 21 foot rule" Does this mean that the cop can't draw his weapon at 20'-11"? Or does he draw his tape measure first?
My question is, where is spider-man? No need for guns when you have super strong web.
Maybe they should have just stood by and let the kid kill mom.
You're so clueless it's laughable.Bear spray is Active Ingredient - 2% Capsaicin and other related Capsaicinoids.. OC has up to ten percent. So you are saying use a less effective product?
When your only exerience is a video game, try not to show you inability to comment intelligently.
What all of you experts fail to take into account is the 10 second law. A person shot, even with a fatal wound, can still attack and kill for up to 10 seconds. That is why the military and mafia use the two shot rule. In close fighting, one in the chest, one in the head.
1. in a hallway with a hostage, I would bet the police already had their guns out.
2. At 35 feet, even the worst cop can hit the triangle.
3. I believe they were aiming low to stop him, not kill him. 9mm's at close range will break arms and legs.
R. Scalzo, civilians have access to spray containing 17% capsaicin. Cops can get an even stronger version. You pulled the 2% figure out of your butt. Bear spray is better in this situation because it can be used from 20 feet or more, is immediately and potently effective, and is completely non-lethal. Moreover, as Mark Stephens-4334123 said, even after taking a bullet shot, the person technically still has time to use the knife. I appreciate the info provided by Disabled_Vet-2153438, however.
Amazing... shot 3 times and considered non-life threatening. I guess the cops could be considered to be really good shots (not killing him) or really bad shots (not killing him and hitting the victim as well).
PMagoo
Unfortunately, some of the LEO's do not train or practice enough with high stress practices with their firearm. Many locations only allow the officer to go shoot ONLY if there is another LEO instructor present. This means that they are limited in practice time. Some locations will allow the officers to practice on their own but just because they wear a badge does not mean they know courses of fire that will increase their speed and stress reactions.
I have seen it and have helped many LEO's
PMagoo:
I was wondering the same thing. You get shot in ANY area that that the story describes (abdomen, groin) you'd better get medical help and quick. Sounds like the writer got a little lazy proof reading.
Many officers to not get enough practice even in the range. I have multiple family members who are LEOs and I get to the range and fire my carry weapon more in a quarter than they do in a full year.
Also, stress does some horrendous things to your aim. I know a guy who teaches cops to shoot under stress and almost all of them come in scoring <20% accuracy when you have them shoot under stress. And that is a situation where they know their life is not in danger. So put a cop in a real world situation (or anyone for that matter) where their life is in danger and they have seconds to react and take down a threat, and you are going to see a drastic reduction in accuracy is most cases. Only in the movies do the cops hit dead center each and every time.
That really surprised me too.
Don't know, of course, I wasn't there, but it seems that in the US cops now do not have the patience for long term psychological negotiation.
Wouldn't it be better to have trained shrinks and negotiators deal with people who are having psychological problems like this rather than go in with sirens and stunguns (which would most likely heighten the stress and tension of the whacked-out person)? It would be better in a case like this to have the situation dragged out and end up with less injury (and possible death).
to quick with the gun all the time to many tv shows
He attacked them. I am sorry I am all for negotiating and reducing the number of times someone is getting shot. But negotiation stops when someone attacks the officer with a lethal weapon.
This definitely does not sound like the kind of hostage situation where they had time to wait for a negotiation team.
If an armed person is getting ready to use lethal force NOW, the cops have to act NOW.
I would have to say they are bad shots, as the idea is you shoot to kill as a wounded suspect can and sometimes does shoot or harm the officer(s).
I am tired of these people thinking that the police need to find less lethal methods. It doesn't work. Because of "these people" we have officers endangering themselves and the public with these stun guns that may or may not work. A Glock works well.
Now as to why mom got shot that is bad targeting by the police officers they need more target practice.
As I read it, neither mom nor son were killed. Non-lethal to be sure, the original non-lethal take-down used by police decent marksmanship. I wonder what ever happened to firing warning shots though?
Warning shots went away because the bullets fired "in the air" to warn others to stop or listen or conform...have to come down somewhere. This becomes a liability issue. Also, any shots fired requires a report and bullet count. Do you know of any LEO's that like paperwork? I dont.
Im no expert but you cant just shoot warning shots whereever you happen to find yourself. Everyone of those rounds have to accounted for and what if one of those warning shots came down and hit someone or bounced of a wall and killed a innocent child? This is just what i think when i think about the situation, these situations (take if from a Vet) is never as simple as civilians think.
What more warning does a person need then multiple cops aiming weapons at them? Gotta love the after game quarter backing.
Sorry, no warning shots. IF yo uare drawing your weapon and pointing it at a suspect, THAT is your warning to the suspect. You really want cops firing warning shots all over the place inside a building?
The suspect knew they were cops, knew they were armed, what additional purpose would a warning shot serve?
Even though it failed I think that the stun gun was more than enough warning. If that didn't give him a clue then a warning shot would not have deterred him either.
And while the cop is using precious time to fire off a warning shot, the suspect is slitting his mother's throat. (Plus, all of the other commenters have covered the rest of the problems with firing warning shots.)
Who said the warning shot has to be fired in the air? Corners near the perp would do just as well.
Well if it was a Joseph Wambaugh novel then it would be: BLAM! BLAM! Freeze or name your beneficiary!
Many of you all, make me sick. Granted, there are times when the police have been known to use excessive force, but it sounds like to me, in this article, that they did there job effectively. So, the mother was hit in the buttocks by a stray bullet, but she is alive and by God, she had best be thankful for the efforts of the law enforcement. Do any of you, at all, reallize that perhaps the reason the police become so disgruntled with civilians, is because THEY ARE under appreciated, and blame for the smallest things that go wrong when it comes to dangerous situations. These men and women, just like our armed forces, put there own lives on the line to protect you and I, and all we do is complain about their actions that they are FORCED to take in order to protect the public. You all who are complaining should be ashamed. This guy was probably doped up on some sort of drug, hence why the stun gun did not work, and I have heard of many occassions where peper spray just would not work on a combative suspect. If, as one individual had in this vine is correct, and that assailant had been able to cross 21 feet in 1.5 seconds, just what were the police to do, plead with him to stop, were they suppose to take a knifing and NOT go home to their families. Hey suspect is alive, the mother is safe, the the suspect WILL see his day in court. But ALL YOU PUNK A S S individuals who complain about their actions, go out there on the streets, pick up a badge and a gun and stand in the shoes of an officer, for a day or week, see how you will have to deal with the negativity of the public, the constant dangers they are faced with, the pressures of their job. Then, you come back and lets see how you act.
F U C K I N G SICKENING, that's what it is. You all are idiots. They did their jobs and everyone is still alive.
Chill out, GregJ, this is a public message board. You end up sounding at least as unbalanced as many of the robotic police-bashers.
There are many ways to make a point.
Yea, trust me...I understand your frustration at some of the stuff being said here, but its a public forum and that means that the patients are in charge..lol Dont let em get you bent out of shape, alot of peple are trolls here and get respect off getting you riled up..
The people that matter will listen to your point if you make it the right way ya know?
but hey this is a public forum so if you came to rant, rant away! lol ;)
I'll freely appologize for the use of my language, but I get sick of those individuals who complain about the police, and then THEY will be the very first ones to call 911 and want the police when there is an issue or problem. It's frustrating to see them complain and just makes me angry.
Greg, IMO you have nothing to apologize for.
You're expressing your heartfelt opinions, and the other responders don't make the rules and should not try to dictate how your or anyone else posts comments. Let them govern their own posts. They don't run this board.
I agree. Take a breath. There are more supporters than critics here.
I hear everyone say this is a public forum, which cracks me up. If it ever gets political you can count on many post that are just stating facts getting collapsed. Where are all you guy's when that happens?
Greg. I couldn't agree with you more, people have no respect for authority anymore, it's a sad world we live in. You want the Police, Fireman, EMT"S, Paramedics and Military there to protect you, but they you complain if it doesn't go exactly the way you want. Our country is turning into a bunch of whiners, unless they need someones help.
@greg, anger management much?
I think the police did an excellent job, and it is obvious to me that they did not shoot to kill. If three bullets hit this young man in his lower extremities then it is obvious that the police were aiming at his lower extremities in an effort to protect the mother who was probably being held hostage by the son. Had they aimed higher there was a chance that the mother would be hit by a life-threatening shot. I agree with GregJ, people are always bashing officers until they need them. These officers, in my opinion did an excellent job.
Calm down, they're only human beings. I'm sure they make mistakes just like everyone else. They are not perfect.
Greg and Disabled must be one and the same. Regardless of a drug crazed person's ability to to sprint a relatively short distance quickly, these police were firing wildly at him. That is why they hit both him and the mother. They need training. They also need to do a better job of checking out/maintaining their equipment. The taser likely was ineffective due to weak batteries. They are supposed to be professionals. My privates were more professional than these clowns and could have dropped him without hitting the bystander.
You'd hit a thug with your genitals?
lol @ cheetah...classy haha thanks for the smile
Olde Sarge: If all parties involved were standing still, and there were no stress involved, I'd agree that the only injury should have been to the suspect. But, I'm willing to bet that the scene was more than just a little chaotic, with lots of confusion to be sorted out... screaming family members (including the one who ended up shot), probably a struggle, maybe even the Mom was trying to protect her son...
But I must say that I'm not sure how my privates would have reacted...
Ha ha ha ha ha to Cheetah. Thnx for the laugh!!
I hit a guy in the knuckles with my eye once.
Old sarge, those are some big tough nuts.
OldSarge, The officers were obviously aiming at the lower extremities. They hit their mark. They did an excellent job in defusing the situation without loss of life.
And the personal injury lawyers are camped outside the mother's hospital room as we speak.
Should we take bets on when the lawsuit will begin. I hope she doesnt, that would be a slap in the face but we have to be realistic
If she is like the typical mama from the projects, it would be awful hard to miss hiting her buttocks with any stray rounds...
What a bunch of idiots (the cops). I see at least one report per week of incompetence from our men in blue. If I have would emergency; I would never call the police in fear of being shot in their attempt to protect the burglar.
@Dave
You'll be one of the first to call the police when they are really needed, and when the job is done, you'll be so unappreciative of them. You're dang attitude will be the same. Yeah, they probably will have to protect the burglar, because if something happens to him, he'll sue the police when his punk butt should have been shot for stealing from you home.
One a week out of how many times did cops respond to domestic situations?
Again I have to ask: Why, oh why, is there no button to vote "down"?????
PLEASE, PLEASE, msnbc, add one soon!
Mrs. Wilberforce, click on the little exclamation mark next to the up arrow. Then choose " no value" or " inflammatory", or wait and do both. Too many of those, and the comment will be collapsed, which will make most readers open it to see what was said.
The best option is ' ignore this author". Then, all their posts ae blocked from you, and you never see them.
best solution is to make fun of them, so we all can have a laugh, but that takes some intelligence, and a sense of humor.
Great posts D.V. and Greg is correct, but his post will probably be deleted shortly. On occasion I will watch cop shows and see what they have to put up with-verbal abuse, stupid people under the influence let alone putting their life on the line, it would take a better man than me to put up with that b.s. BANG! Problem solved.
Obviously some mother issues going on here. Either mental illness or drugs has a grip on this young man.
And for the cop bashers, you try hitting a moving target from an unknown distance with only a couple of inches to fire at. I'm pretty sure he was not holding his mother BEHIND HIS BACK. They did the best they could and probably saved the womans life. A butt shot is rarely fatal and heals in a few weeks. Compare that to a knife cut from ear-to-ear.
All I know is that if you come at me with a knife, and I have a gun, I will put a cap in yo azz. I ain't a cop, but if I was, the result would be the same.
What if I was just giving you a peice of cake, and the cake was on the knife?
The title is grammatical nonsense
They told me that was a million dollar wound but the army must keep that money because I haven't seen any of it.
Forrest Gump
While the officers were definitely justified in shooting, one of them needs to spend more time at the firing range. Maybe a lot more.
Have you every shot anyone during a adrenalin filled event? In this event, people were yelling, moving, harassing, everything but standing still. My guess is you would have missed completely or possibly shot the woman in the head and then try to explain that later. NO ONE WAS KILLED AND THEY GOT HER AWAY FROM A SERIOUSLY DRUGGED NUT CASE! That is a good thing!
I appreciate the work that police do for us every day. They respond to events most of us would run from; they run into those situations! If I need help, they show up! They take crap from horrendous people every day in and day out, yet they still get up every day to do their job. Most people would never consider the job and I surmise most people complaing here could never do a police officers job even in the best of worlds. You cannot judge the majority of police officers as worthless based on the actions of a very few.
Well, maybe the butt got in the way of the shot. He was simply trying to execute the curve shot like Angelina Joli, but couldn't get it around the arse.
In another story. a divorced woman with 3 young children in an apartment on the 6th. floor was killed by a stray bullet fired by the police responding to a domestic disturbance complaint in the adjoining apartmemt. Police have apologized to the family and no investigation will be initiated.
Yeah, but look at the bright side: The cop found an excuse to use his gun. Many cops only dream of having the opportunity some day.
Hope you're not a cop, or own guns. If that is the only bright side to your life.
Most cops pray they never have to fire a shot anywhere other than at the range. Turn off the TV and go out and meet some real cops. You might just find that they are mostly great people who are highly trained and very professional. I'm not going to say there aren't any bad apples, but name any profession where there aren't a few.
Most cops really care about their communities and will go above and beyond to do the best possible job.
If someone had me at knife point I would WANT the police to shoot him.
A "social worker" would say that!
If someone was holding a knife to my neck, I would simply subdue the PU$$Y by using my arms and mind. People need to grow some back bone and learn to defend themselves...
Chris, not everyone is as badass as you are. I bet you wrestle alligators for fun.
Chris are you like a 50 or 60 year old grandma? Who probably never trained in self defense.
" by using my arms and mind."
But I hear Jedi mind tricks do work.
"It's shocking," neighbor Steve Letavish said. "I knew the kid for awhile. I give him a high-five when I see him. You don't believe it until you hear it for yourself, and you can't go home because of it."
What a FREAKING PU$$Y, the kid wasn't holding you at knife point!! He was holding his mother. People like this is the reason we have so many police, security forces. Grow a back bone and learn a little self defense.