"Apprehensions of illegals entering at a 40 year low."

How stupid does MSNBC think people are? Maybe that was a mistake, they meant 40 year high. Lib propaganda, as usual.

the article said, they are going to do a study on, why they keep coming, my God, these people can not be serious.

ANY WORDS PAST THE WORDS HERE ILLEGALLY I COULD CARE LESS TO HEAR ABOUT

i don't care about the

better life

poor living in Mexico

No Jobs in Mexico

The families here in the USA

the illegal that wants to be an Attorney

The people looking for a job

the split families

the children of illegals born here.

NOTHING AFTER HERE ILLEGALLY CARRIES VALUE IN THE CONVERSATION

Really!

Why the hell are we still talking about this

FIX IT

The vote grabbing politicians look at these illegals as another voting base

DID WE ALL FORGET WE GAVE AMNESTY TO 8,000,000 EIGHT MILLION WHEN OUR PRESIDENT, RONALD REGAN WAS IN OFFICE.

NOT this time NO DANG WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol. I don't have to compete with Mexicans for my job. Because I have a real job.

Imrightnotyou ... show us the facts not the bs.

I say "Amen" to imrightnotyou comments. Their problems are their problems, and my only concern about them is that they stay in mexico. And the ones here illegally - fine them, then send them back too.

"The new strategy draws on intelligence to identify repeat crossers and to try to determine why they keep coming"

So basically they're admitting that they're not even going to try stopping them but rather just ask them why they entered the country illegally and wait until the next time and repeat.

How much do you want to bet that the top reasons that are given for crossing the border will become top priorites of Democrat politicians pandering for the illegal vote with U.S. taxpayer funded handouts?

Call it the new "Democrat voter survey" strategy.

Mr Accountability-2446281

Imrightnotyou ... show us the facts not the bs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Reform_and_Control_Act_of_1986

NEXT!

Epitome - the more apt statement would be that you don't have to compete with illegal immigrants for your job because your employer verifies employment eligibility.

Crack down hard on the people employing people who are not eligible to work in this country. Deny people living here illegally government services. Make the penalties for forging documents so heinous that nobody considers doing it. Finally, reevaluate the immigration system and make sure it addresses our current needs. Then maybe we'll have a better situation in this arena.

Epitome, anyone who relys on their job to feed their family has a real job. I HAD a real job building bridges. My whole crew was forced out for a cheaper Mexican crew and the worse part was, it was a Government job. We worked safely and shortly after we were laid off, there was a collapse in the construction and someone got killed. Send them home NOW! Thousands like me have lost their jobs in construction. Arrest anyone who hires them.

this article was an eye-opener, that's for sure

I mean, I had no idea we even HAD a border patrol!

I rather had in my mind's eye large tents along the border manned by La Raza who hand out refreshments and directions (in Spanish, of course) to the nearest welfare office and birth clinic with instructions on how to sign the family up for benefits....

then it's on to HomeDepot to wait for the gringo to pick you up and take you to his business where you and your wife get your bogus social security numbers and you're all set!

The reason the number of illegal arrest are down is because the economy stinks so bad even the illegals can't find jobs. Why come to a country that has the same problem they do.

You probably lost your job because of constant complaining about working too hard, too many hours, not long enough lunch breaks and 40 other excuses to not pull your weight at work and your boss finally got tired of it and replaced you, easier to blame anybody except yourself and lack of job ethics. your job could not have been that difficult if you were really replaced by somebody that maybe doesnt speak english, probably no computer skills, and he probably stays and works as many hours as the company needs instead of clocking out at 5.00pm. Now, please choose another job soon so that youre not sucking in 2 years of unemployment at my expense ( I am a 47 year old white female I work 2 jobs) and remember that no boss will tolerate lazy no matter what country we are from. MAN UP!

preach it sister! lazy ass union bumbs.

you were really replaced by somebody that maybe doesnt speak english, probably no computer skills, and he probably stays and works as many hours as the company needs instead of clocking out at 5.00pm

you left out the part about the employer not having to pay payroll tax or offer benefits such as days off or sick leave....

Kick all of the illegal workers and their families out. Now.

...and send born white and mike along with them

New Order for all Border Patrol Agents: If they are running / comming North to the USA's Border, Dispatch Every One of Them. If they are Running / Going South back to Mexico, Dispatch Every One of Them, Go out and Get Our Property Back.

Regardless of what side of the debate you are on, the people on here calling for the illegals to be killed is more than disturbing. Yes many criminals cross illegally, but as to the illegal crossers that just want to work, people on here who are wanting to murder them simply because they want to put food on the table of their family is just sick.

So you are suggesting he work for the Border Patrol? Me thinks they hang around taquerias waiting for fresh tortillas the way "regular" cops hunker down at donut shops.

So our "new" border strategy is to do a "survey"..............great.

When are you going to remove the illegals that have been in the US for years stealing American resources that were meant to feed the US American poor.

Black Knight. You are right. Why come to a country that has the same problems they do? The US has the same problems because the criminals who crossed the border brought them with them . These criminals are turning the US into a 3 rd world country. It is time we sent the National Guard to Guard the US Mexico border! This, simply put, is an invasion of the US by Mexico. Take the welcome sign down. Boot the criminals out, and yes if anyone is here illegally they are a criminal. I don't care a tinkers dam# why they are here, why we should be generous, sympathetic or compassionate to their plight. The criminals are causing real problems for the American economy and the American citizens. We have a responsibility to provide for American citizens. Provide security and protection from the criminals illegally crosssing the border would be a great place to start. Round them up , boot them out and keep them out !

born white I suppose you think the financial crisis was just a hoax, there have been millions of people that lost there jobs because of the economy that closed the doors of where they worked not that they got fired for not working.

Remember the auto industry that lost thousands of jobs, sure alot of those came back. Those are the ones that should of been replaced by NON UNION jobs.

The government is the cause of most of the job losses today, with there regulations.

For having 2 jobs you seem to have time to waste on this blog. I only have 1 job, today I am going to the doctors so I have time to be on here today.

I have a one-step plan to fix illegal immigration

Step One: Make it more expensive for employers to hire illegals than citizens (by fines/jail time/taxes/whatever).

Once it is cheaper for companies to hire citizens and legal workers they will STOP hiring illegals.

One they stop hiring illegals, the illegals will stop coming (since there will be no jobs/money).

Then border control can work on the real problem - drug smuggling.

if you only have 1 job, then how do you know how much time should, should not be spent on the net.

Blusician,
While that would work in theory, if they have a false ID, including bogus SSN,
how is the employer to know? My neighbor is a small business owner and it took
4 years to find out one of her employees was here illegally. The Social
Security people were no help in verifying his ID.

Read and watch this video from a Indianapolis news station. Look at how the illegals are milking the system. If this is outright fraud against the US taxpayers. The IRS admits all of this going on and says they can't do anything about it....

O M G !!!

This should / will make your blood boil
.......

http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&topVideoCatNo=103348&autoStart=true

O M G !!!

This should / will make your blood boil
.......

http://www.wthr.com/video?clipId=7054149&topVideoCatNo=103348&autoStart=true

Kelly,

Slow down on the drama...

They paid in through the ITIN numbers. From your article...

The Internal Revenue Service says everyone who is employed in the United States – even those who are working here illegally – must report income and pay taxes. Of course, undocumented workers are not supposed to have a social security number. So for them to pay taxes, the IRS created what's called an ITIN, an individual taxpayer identification number. A 9-digit ITIN number issued by the IRS provides both resident and nonresident aliens with a unique identification number that allows them to file tax returns.

So, there it's talking about how they paid in.

The loophole is called the Additional Child Tax Credit. It's a fully-refundable credit of up to $1000 per child, and it's meant to help working families who have children living at home.

And that's the credit they're filing. Now it goes on to talk about how they're filing for children who AREN'T living at home. Neices and nephews and such, who may still be in Mexico.

I say, first, if those kids are dependant on them, and the undocumented worker is paying taxes, why SHOULDN'T they get the same deductions?

Second, do you really think it's only undocumented workers doing this? That they somehow have a monopoly on cheating the system?

Third, this is like the kid with the finger in the dyke. All the loopholes we have, all the multi-billion dollar ways out, and THIS is the one that freaks you out???

In a December 2005 brief by the Social Security Advisory Board on immigration, the section examining the impact of immigration effects on social security finances stated that “[a]mong illegal immigrants, SSA actuaries currently assume that about half actually pay social security taxes although they are very unlikely to collect benefits.

And further:

In a November 2008 piece summarizing a report on immigration by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, senior fellow Paul N. Van de Water wrote that, according to Stephen Goss, Social Security’s chief actuary, “unauthorized immigrants paid as much as $13 billion in Social Security payroll taxes in 2007. About $1 billion in benefit payments were made based on unauthorized work.”

From Van de Water’s November 20, 2008, post:

The presence of unauthorized (undocumented) workers in the United States also has a positive effect on the financial status of Social Security. The earnings of unauthorized workers are less likely to be reported for tax purposes than the earnings of the rest of the population and even less likely to result in future benefits, according to Social Security’s chief actuary. Although the magnitudes cannot be precisely determined, the actuary has estimated that unauthorized immigrants paid as much as $13 billion in Social Security payroll taxes in 2007. About $1 billion in benefit payments were made based on unauthorized work (for example, survivor benefits paid to U.S. citizens who were dependents of deceased individuals who had made payments into the Social Security system while performing unauthorized work). Thus, undocumented immigrants improved Social Security’s cash flow by an estimated $12 billion in 2007. (Italics added.)

Now, do these reports assert that each and every undocumented worker pays the full gamut of taxes? No. But they do indicate undocumented workers in fact make sizable contributions to our tax revenues. The claim that this isn’t so is either due to ignorance or to deliberate lying.

Note, too, that these reports do not take into account the value added to the economy by the labor of undocumented workers.

Skiddy- You are inccorrect. Please let me explain what the following statement means:

"The U.S. Border Patrol on Tuesday unveiled its first national strategy in eight years, a period in which the number of agents more than doubled and apprehensions of people entering illegally from Mexico dropped to a 40-year low."

They are saying that they doubled the staffing, yet apprehended the lowest number of border crossers in 40 years. How could that be? Here's how:

1. Border Partol agents are testifying in Congress that they were ordered by the Dept. of Homeland Security to stop arresting illegals and expand their "Turn Back South" program (not arresting, redirecting illegals towards the border) has expanded away from the border and upwards of 50+ miles inland. That might change the numbers.

2. Reports are out that the drug cartels are controlling the "mule" (drug) trade and the "coyote" (people) trade. Some are noted as slowing down coyote traffic in areas so that mules can get through undetected, some are noted as sending in coyotes to distract BP agents so that mules can go in undetected. Either way it's a very lucrative business, so why wouldn't the cartels get involved.

So I contend that the statement is true, but the reasons are far worse than being presented by the government. Why would they put out irrelevent numbers? Firstly, it sounds like success if you don't think too hard about it. Secondly, it leads you to believe that illegal immigration may not be so bad. That would be good for some near term immigration reform ideas, wouldn't it? Lastly, they can use the numbers against states whom are trying to enforce immigration laws and protect themselves by writing more. The federal government can say "you don't need to enforce them, we've got it covered".

Yeah, go with that one.

WCF said:

It is time we sent the National Guard to Guard the US Mexico border!

They are there. Bush sent 564 National Guard troops to the border during his presidency, President Obama has sent 1200 plus several unmanned drones to supplement the CBP complement of 20,000.

The US has the same problems because the criminals who crossed the border brought them with them.

So before the illegals came we didn't have drugs, we didn't have gun violence, we never had murders and robberies and rape and prostitution and child sex trafficking and human slavery? Do you consider the Native Americans illegals because they came over on the land bridge from Asia without paperwork? Because he Native Americans killed, looted, raped and stole from each other. Th Spanish and European colonizers also looted, raped, robbed and pillaged. Those crimes are as old as civilization and has nothing to do with illegal immigrants.

Sarah is Wrong! An illegal Mexican has stolen my SSAN and is using it. His name is now on my SSAN but he pays nothing into the SS system and he declares income on MY SSAN but pays no income taxes. IRS want me to pay the added income he declares on my SSAN but he pays no taxes to the IRS. Sarah doesn't know what she is taking about.

All of the illegals deported by Bush and Obama combined don't make a dent in the problem. Obama is smart. He has increased deportation of illegals with criminal records in addition to being here illegally. That way he can say he's deporting illegals and La Raza, Mecha, LULAC, etc. can't complain. But these deportations are all smoke and mirrors intended to manipulate those easily fooled.

You will know when any administration is serious about illegal aliens when they start heavily cracking down on employers. It is the lure of employment that draws 80% of illegals (~20% arrive to lead a life of crime). Remove the incentive and they will stop coming here in the first place. And those here will self-deport at no expense to tax paying Americans.

Again, you will know when any administration is serious about illegal aliens when they start heavily cracking down on employers. Until then, smoke and mirrors folks.

Romney says corporations are people too! I want ICE and border patrol to start checking corporations for their birth certificates....asap

Interesting..,.the US/Mexico boarder is 1,969 miles long. Last year the article said they captured 327,577 illegal aliens. That is roughly 897 a day and approximately one illegal for every 2.2 miles. They have 21,000 agents. Take that and divide by three shifts, that is 7,000 agents per shift. Lets say if even half of those per shift are off for the day or in office jobs, that leaves 3,500 that are supposed to be working to cover 1,969 miles. I think we definitely need resource management.

GTR,

I provided links, sources, and cites. You provided a personal story. Do you have anything, except your own post, to back up your claim that this is even happening, and then do you have anything to prove that it is a problem which is applicable to more then just you, or a few cases here and there? In other words, wide spread and the norm.

i'mrightnotyou.

The 1986 amnesty was Ted Kennedy's idea, and strictly enforcing existing immigration laws from then forward, promised by the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, was supposed to be part of the deal. So Reagan (who later said it was the biggest mistake he made) and Congress (Dems and Repubs alike) went along and gave amnesty to almost 3 million (not 8 million) illegal aliens, sending the message, that if you can steal in and stay long enough, the Americans will reward your illegal acts by giving you amnesty. How strong was that message? We now have 4 times as many, or more, wanting amnesty.

So, let's give these 12 million illegals amnesty and in another 20-25 years it will be 48 million wanting amnesty. Does that sound like a good idea?

“In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, ‘This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.”

NEVER AGAIN!

Amanda-2017567
WCF said:

It is time we sent the National Guard to Guard the US Mexico border!

They are there. Bush sent 564 National Guard troops to the border during his presidency, President Obama has sent 1200 plus several unmanned drones to supplement the CBP complement of 20,000.

No the number under the Bush administration was between 5,000 and 6,000. That really was not enough and the 1,200 sent under Obama is even more of a joke.

Here is a very good summation of the cost of illegal immigrants:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

Conclusion: Illegals are probably a slight benefit to the economy.

Consequently, if they all leave, there will be no significant long-term negative affect on the economy. Personally, the money isn't the primary issue. Has something to do with being the member of a sovereign nation repeatedly being violated while the government sits around and plays politics with the issue.

Why do some people keep trying to make this a comparison between what the Bush administration has done and what the Obama administration has done? Don't they understand what a weak, pathetically pointless argument that is?

The fact remains that illegal aliens are continuing to stream into this country to steal from the hard working legal taxpayers that live here. Also recently uncovered is this SCAM where illegals CLAIM they have dependents living in Mexico: they are sending welfare money to "children" which may or may not even exist. These people are coming here to mock the US and its laws and take what they have no right to.

It's high time for this crap to end. No more open border policies, no more sanctuary cities, and definitely NO AMNESTY.

Let these people reap the rewards they deserve.

And Sarah-3043284 , an illegal piece of crap stole my SSN when I was a kid too, and it took me spending MY TIME AND MY MONEY to prove it was MY SSN and that I was the one with a right to live and work in this country. You truly have NO SHAME.

HS,

I think it's the money in politics or in our government that's the problem. As long as the huge multi-national corporations can buy our politicians, they will be influencing them, which means, convincing them not to interfere with they're slave labor via enforcement OR reform.

Here's a recent tidbit from an Arizona paper:

"The U.S. Border Patrol apprehended almost 125,000 illegal immigrants and seized more than 1 million pounds of marijuana in the Tucson Sector during the last fiscal year, but the key question is how many people and drugs entered the United States and didn’t get caught."

Logic question: If apprehensions are down to 40 year lows and last year one sector in Arizona picked up 125,000 illegal immigrants-

1. How many got through without being caught?

2. How many illegals are getting through the other sectors in a year? In these best of years as compared to what they were 8 years ago??

There are 35 sectors on the Mexican border- how many people get through all of the other ones in a year?

Lastly, check this out:

The volume of land inspections at the southern border decreased 21 percent between FY 2000 and FY 2004. Land inspections at the southern border decreased from 324 million in FY 2000 to 255 million in FY 2004. Land inspections made up 78 percent of all inspections (429 million) in FY 2004, and 76 percent of the 333 million total land inspections were conducted at the southern border. These inspection figures include individuals who make multiple entries, such as visitors with nonimmigrant visas or border crossing cards. (Source: PAS G-22.1 Inspections, Office of Immigration Statistics, DHS)

In 2004, there was an average of 660,000 passenger crossings per day across 35 points of entry (POEs) on the 1,952-mile border between the United States and Mexico. Crossings by personal vehicles rose 43 percent between 1995 and 1999 and then fell 21 percent (to 191 million) by 2004. Almost 20 percent of passenger crossings into the United States from Mexico in 2004 were made on foot, while bus crossings only constituted 1.4 percent (3.4 million) of crossings from Mexico. In 2004 there were over 20 million pedestrian crossings in Texas alone. (Source: US Bureau of Transportation Statistics)

Just let those facts sink in......

They should install a mine field along the whole border then study if it works or not and if not supplement it with machine guns.

JoeNY, thanks for the insight. That is scary. it's nothing more than a vote grab to get and retian power.

Less coming across...what a waste of money for Taco Bell..opening all those new places in Texas.

So now the Border Patrol will let the 'good illegals' in, and concentrate only on the drug runners? WTF? I thought they were supposed to keep all of them out.

We should stop waging expensive wars in faraway lands and secure our borders. Fully $1T is spent on defense every year and our borders are still like a sieve...

What should bother most people is the fact that these..."bugs"... have allowed their country to be what it is today... and now... they are coming here, to manifest... and little by little... this country is starting looking like their country... and... it already is... and the developing increases in drug traffic is proof of it...!

Obama has recalled most of the National guard troops. They weren't allowed to do anything anyways. Now the Border Patrol is doing surveys and we are all so much better off. In McAllen Texas recently a very small house used to harbor illegals was raided. There were over a hundred in there with no food or water and they had been imprisoned for days. Seven were taken to the hospital in critical condition.

Now, when our welfare programs offer benefits to illegals, free medical, free food stamps, anchor babies and IRS refunds for illegals claiming 20 children dependents (up to $30,000. per claim) you have a problem. It is rather like trying to get rid of mice by feeding them and taking them to the vet.

People like Sarah are all sympatico until they are suddenly adversely impacted by illegals overrunning their neighborhood. They come in, take over housing, welfare, schools and the emergency rooms and maternity wards. Hospitals move to the suburbs to avoid having to care for illegals who bancrupt the system and sorry, Obamacare is not addressing that little issue atal. If Sarah and her ilk lived in border towns and areas heavily and negatively impacted by illegals ten to one they'd be wanting bounties placed on them.

Sarah...sadly, you're 100% correct. I think the U.S. Chamber of Commerce has most of the politicians on both sides in their hip pocket.

The illegal immigrant by their very nature is a piece of leeching shyte that has absolutely no right in this Country, and is as unwelcome as say a troll like Sarah-3043284, or any fool that can't recognize a pile of smelly crap as a dung heap with Spanish as a first language, and not a legal citizen, or immigrant to this Country, but a criminal that should be thrown bodily out of this our sovereign United States of America.

Some of us here had to actually go through the process of becoming American Citizens 8)

It took me 7 years, I had to go every weekend just about to downtown LA to the Naturalization building @ 6 am outside waiting in line to get inside & spend most of my day.

I hate illegal aliens with a passion because they are cheating and taking advantage of all the people around the world who want to be Americans.

This current administration and president have done more then previous administrations but not nearly enough is being done.

To the supporters who seem to side with lawbreakers your scum who do not care about the laws of the land.

Dred,

I'm impressed, usually it takes at least two months of dating me for people to hate me so much. I did notice though, that you didn't post anything of substance, just insults. No links, sources, citations. You got anything for us???

OMG...!

Does anybody else get the impression that ..."Sarah-3043284"... is a bag of hot air...?

She stands waving a flag in one post, saying that the government that she is waving the flag for... is run by a guy who is heaven worthy.... while in another post... she says the government that he runs... and is the leader of...is corrupt...

Could be PMS... could be just plain insanity also...

LMAO...!

Hey..."Sarah-3043284"... how many illegal aliens do you have staying at your house these days... ?

Since you are so sympathetic to their illegal status and you feel strongly about them being allowed to be here "illegally" because of the mess they made of their country... how about you take in a few of them, and show everybody how this pity obsession works...

And please stop with the posting your links... it only further makes you look more than a bit loony... don't you think...?

You don't look the least bit smart posting something from a ..."media source"... especially when it's the media that people distrust the most... but since you are so smart... you must have missed that... right...?

In case you might have missed the boat ride... the media runs neck to neck with the politicians in this country as being the least bit reliable and trustworthy...!

By the way... you say that politicians take money from corps.... so... Obama is a "politician"... do you have any links that say that he hasn't taken any money from anybody...?

(oh and... just so you know)... I'm not a lib, or repub, or anything else ... I don't need a "party" as a crutch to lean on... I vote for whomever I feel I want to... and if there is nobody I feel like voting for... I don't vote... and...

(psssst... "I have that right to not vote also)

C. Moakler said:

What we need is a study that studies INS, ICE, and Border Patrol and explains to us the difference between the illegal immigrant taking my job, that ICE will not arrest, and the one that comes over the border today and wants to come compete with him for the job I used to have.

First: there's no more INS, it's now USCIS.

Second: 'The illegal immigrant taking my job that ICE will not arrest' may not actually be illegal. Deportation camps hold the stateless, the undocumented, those seeking asylum from political and physical and religious persecution, trafficking victims, and child victims of crooked adoption agencies. They are not all 'illegal',and most of those held didn't come here illegally nor did they break any laws while here.

I was held as an illegal when USCIS lost my adoption paper 18 years after I was adopted came to me asking for a copy, and since I wasn't told I was adopted before Dad and Mom passed away in a car accident, I had no idea what they were talking about so they placed me in deportation as an illegal. I had no criminal record, never done anything wrong, had a legal BC, DL, and SS card, school records from pre-K to high school plus a collage scholarship award letter, had all of Dad's military records showing me as his legal dependent, and since I was an abandoned infant (no paperwork showing who, where, or when I was born) there was no 'home country' to which I could be deported. I was 'stuck'.

One of my coworker's parents was adopted from Germany as an infant in 1945. Immigration at the time never told her parents that citizenship wasn't automatic with adoption. 60+ years later, in Dec of last year, USCIS realizes the government mistake; rather than allowing either her or her now-90-year-old-parents to file paperwork to correct the mistake, she was deported to Germany and will have to remain there for ten years before she can apply to come back. But they didn't arrest her; they simply confiscated her car, house and bank account as civil asset forfeiture and deported her two weeks later.

Third: 'The one that comes over the border today and competes with him for the job I used to have'.--well, that depends on whether the one who came over the border came without a visa or passport. If s/he has those there is no reason s/he can't get a job, and there's no reason why s/he can't have yours if the employer decides they want that person.

AC,

She stands waving a flag in one post, then in another, she says that the very government that she is waving the flag for is heaven worthy.... then in another post... she says it's corrupt...

Can you quote me, as to where I ever stuck up for the government, or waved a flag for them? I posted a fact that Obama has deported more people then Bush, and I posted some facts about our tax code, so how did that give you the impression I was pro-government in regards to this issue?

Could be PMS... could be just plain insanity also...

Nope, thank you birth control. Must be insanity.

Hey..."Sarah-3043284"... how many illegal aliens do you have staying at your house these days... ?

None. I didn't know that was requirement. Does it work for ALL minorities? I support gay rights too, does that mean I have to house them? What about Muslims?

Since you are so sympathetic to their illegal status and you feel strongly about them being allowed to be here "illegally" because of the mess they made of their country... how about you take in a few of them, and show everybody how this pity obsession works...

What mess did they create and how did they create it? Please provide facts, sources, and citations.

And please stop with the posting your links... it only further makes you look more than a bit loony... don't you think...?

Nope. That's what people who can support their positions do.

You don't look the least bit smart posting something from a ..."media source"... especially when it's the media that people distrust the most... but since you are so smart... you must have missed that... right...?

Sorry, I don't buy into that kind of paranoia. If the vast majority of knowledge doesn't support my BELIEF, I question my belief, not hold on to it, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

In case you might have missed the boat ride... the media runs neck to neck with the politicians in this country as being the least bit reliable and trustworthy...!

And yet, the rest of the world calls that "bias" facts.

By the way... you say that politicians take money from corps.... so... Obama is a "politician"... do you have any links that say that he hasn't taken any money from anybody...?

Obama's definitly taken money. For sure. Please quote where I've said anything different then that.

(oh and... just so you know)... I'm not a lib, or repub, or anything else ... I don't need a "party" as a crutch to lean on... I vote for whomever I feel I want to... and if there is nobody I feel like voting for... I don't vote... and...

Bull sh**.

(psssst... "I have that right to not vote also)

Duh.

Just one question, why are you typing in bold face? Angelica, is that you???

Wow... "Sarah-3043284"... you're single...?

Somehow I'm not surprised...!

Instead of the pity card... I asked some questions... and you choose to play the pity card... only now it isn't for the illegal aliens... you seem to pity your relationship status...

You should take a few minutes and look up the word ..."hate"... nobody on here has personally ..."met"... and you play the pity card using ..."hate"... as the pity card...

Just curious... do you get out much...? I mean really get out... not look out your window...

AC,

Wow... "Sarah-3043284"... you're single...?

Alas, currently yes.

Instead of the pity card... I asked some questions... and you choose to play the pity card... only now it isn't for the illegal aliens... you seem to pity your relationship status...

Please explain how I did such? What gave you that opinion?

You should take a few minutes and look up the word ..."hate"... nobody on here has personally ..."met"... and you play the pity card using ..."hate"... as the pity card...

Right after you look up the word irreverance.

Just curious... do you get out much...? I mean really get out... not look out your window...

Sometimes. You?

And again, why are you typing in bold face?

Wow, you're posts are so long I just lose interest from the get go. Maybe you would be better served to have your own talk show like Nancy Grace :D Oh and I hate that bat sh!t crazy witch. All that copying and pasting of what people write is really a waste of time. There's a local troll on our local web newspaper site and he is just as damned annoying as you are. You can't just post and opinion and move on, everything has to be the GREAT DEBATE with you trying your best to look like the winner.. well hate to tell you, but you really (don't laugh) should get out more!!!

That's it for me ladies and gentlemen... me and my work mates enjoyed leading ..."Sarah-3043284"... around in a round of "dog and pony"....!

I guess we can see that ..."Sarah-3043284"... is babysitting this site... and her posts... and the fact is... she..."doesn't"... get out much... LMAO...!

So sorry for you ..."Sarah-3043284"... single you are... and single you'll be... enjoy your cats...

Your answers though... not witty... but quite defensive... which is probably why you are now single... so sad... but ....

Gotta get back to work... enjoy your cutting and pasting skills... they seem to be the only ones you have...!

Stonedog,

Your personal story doesn't mean "jack" either. Why is it so hard for some of you to post anything substantive? You know, factual, backed up with sources??? Non-partisan data, give me something?

AC,

It was great talking to you. Too bad you couldn't answer back, a single one of my questions. Not even why you were typing in bold face???

So sorry for you ..."Sarah-3043284"... single you are... and single you'll be... enjoy your cats...

Yeah, I'm allergic, so I'm more of a dog person.

Your answers though... not witty... but quite defensive... which is probably why you are now single... so sad... but ....

How so? And why do you end everything with ..., it really only takes one period.

I guess we can see that ..."Sarah-3043284"... is babysitting this site... and her posts... and the fact is... she..."doesn't"... get out much... LMAO...!

At least until 3:30, then my very slow work day comes to an end.

That's it for me ladies and gentlemen... me and my work mates enjoyed leading ..."Sarah-3043284"... around in a round of "dog and pony"....!

Tell the boys at CIS and FAIR I say hello, and to make sure they keep their hoods nice and clean.

P,

Wow, you're posts are so long I just lose interest from the get go. Maybe you would be better served to have your own talk show like Nancy Grace :D Oh and I hate that bat sh!t crazy witch. All that copying and pasting of what people write is really a waste of time. There's a local troll on our local web newspaper site and he is just as damned annoying as you are. You can't just post and opinion and move on, everything has to be the GREAT DEBATE with you trying your best to look like the winner.. well hate to tell you, but you really (don't laugh) should get out more!!!

Can you argue anything about the article and topic????

OMG... before I go... here's another slap for you ..."Sarah-3043284"....

Stonedog,

Your personal story doesn't mean "jack" either. Why is it so hard for some of you to post anything substantive? You know, factual, backed up with sources??? Non-partisan data, give me something?

If it doesn't mean..."jack"... then why are you responding to it then...?

Sorry... just another observation... or wait... could it be..."irreverence"... yup... a woman named ..."Sarah-3043284"... who has no respect for herself... another leading cause of why single women "are" single....

Bye..."Sarah-3043284"... go outside... look around....it's okay... the only people .."we"... know of that are laughing at you... are here on this post.....

AC,

If it doesn't mean..."jack"... then why are you responding to it then...?

Because he addressed it to me.

Sorry... just another observation... or wait... could it be..."irreverence"... yup... a woman named ..."Sarah-3043284"... who has no respect for herself... another leading cause of why single women "are" single....

Again, any explanation for how you came to that conclusion? Anything substantive to offer? Any reason why you're typing in bold face?

Bye..."Sarah-3043284"... go outside... look around....it's okay... the only people .."we"... know of that are laughing at you... are here on this post.....

What are you doing on it, anyway? Shouldn't you be off dousing crosses with lighter fluid or something?

Ahhhhhh.....you folks fell for it AGAIN.

This is nothing more than smoke and mirrors on ANOTHER Mr. Obama campaign issue. He sure is shotgunning every issue EXCEPT his lackluster PERFORMANCE in office.

Why even telegraph to the American people about a "new DHS strategy" which has been worked on for over two years ? Wow, after how many Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) are in the United States now ? 5, 8, 10, 15, or 20 MILLION ?

Sheeesh, simple.....SECURE OUR BORDERS first and then "handle" the Illegal problems.

Nah, first thing that should be done is to change the IRS forms which allow Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) to file taxes and include CHILDREN living in Mexico using the Additional Child Tax deduction thereby soaking the American taxpayers out of about $ 3,400,000,000 last year.

Most Americans across the political spectrum (including me, a life-long Democrat) are SO SICK of our leaders' excuses for refusing to enforce the rule of law. The excuses range from "enforcement priorities" which is mind-numbing double-speak for permitting those already apprehended and indentified as immigration violators to go free. We are NOT stupid. Americans with an IQ over 100 understand that Reagan's 1986 Amnesty only served to further incentivize exponentially more immigration lawbreaking! Another Amnesty (including the de facto and de jure amnesty proposal of the Obama Administration would do even exponentially more harm!

The immigration lawbreakers that are being permitted to continue injuring American taxpayer resources, job opportunities, and depression of living wages (not to mention the stolen identies, tax fraud, fraudulent I-9 forms, etc), NEED TO BE PUNISHED APPROPRIATELY. The ILLEGAL FOREIGN NATIONALS must be deported and the LAWBREAKING BUSINESS PROFITEERS need to be punished criminally and civilly (with heavy fines that dissuade further lawlessness).

Stop doing studies, and ENFORCE OUR EXISTING LAWS! When this occurs, you can then do a study on the extraordinary cost that was previously imposed upon American taxpayers incident to not enforcing the law!

A GOVERNMENT WHICH REFUSES TO ENFORCE ITS OWN LAWS IS INTOLERABLE!

Sarah, you proved me right. You are on here to ARGUE. I've not ever read a post from you where you were not SHOVING your opinions on others. I see somebody up there must have shut you down or you are involved in an extremely lengthy post on another story just full of copy/pastes of what others have said and showcasing your ability to use google. Way to go. You even copied and pasted what I wrote, which we all can see because it's somewhere above your idiotic post.

PB,

So your answer is, no, you can't discuss either the article or the topic in a substantive, factual manner, backing up your position with sources and citations.

Got it.

And since I'm sure you also have the ability to use google, why can't you do that? God forbid I shove all those FACTS, backed up by LINKS, down your throat, right? Here's an idea, if it bothers you so much, why don't you just not read them???

I went on to the link that Kelly cited in post #1.28 . INCREDIBLE. IF a US citizen pulled claiming 20 neices and nephews that citizen would be rotting in prison PRONTO!!! What do they do use fake SSN's for these kids as you do have to have a SSN for any child you are trying to get a deduction for!!! These POS's honestly think they are justified in ripping off the government, basically meaning the average Joe that isn't getting squat for refunds and struggling to pay taxes they end up owing!!!! Wow, these cheating scum are what some morons want to give amnesty too?????????????

Big Al-Where do you hail from?? Thanks for putting in the time, effort, expenses and hard work and frustrations it takes to do it right and legally become a citizen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sarah, I must insist that you suck the behind of a donkey. More productive for you:)

PB,

Yes, sucking a donkey's behind would be more productive then trying to get you to have an intelligent and fact based discussion about the actual article.

If it is ... and obviously... you would know.... then why are you "STILL" trying something that has failed you... oh wait... you are quite good at failing.... after all you did fail at marriage... so sorry for you... what's that feel like... walking around as a "FAILURE".... oh wait... you are showing us....

LMAO...!

The comment about corrupt agents should be disturbing but not surprising given the huge amount of money involved in the narcotics and firearms exchanges.

How's this for a new strategy: Instead of catch and release, or holding them in jail, try actually deporting them. Pick them up and hold them for 24 hours, during which they have to show they are here legally. If they can't, bus them back to the border and send them across. Repeat as necessary.

The more I hear about them, the more I dislike them, and I've been hearing about them a long time.

Corruption in U.S. border agents seems so alien to the American ear. But, if you are hiring border agents, and those agents hired get a leg up for bilingualism, well, they are probably the spawn of illegals themselves. And the acorn doesn't fall far from the tree.

It doesn't surprise me a bit. I read the writing on the wall more than 30-years ago. Carter's administration started the amnesty program of the 70's and then, Reagan followed through with it. It's not easy for a new President to halt a program already running. So, no blame to Reagan.

Obama will likely get the boot in November, but it'll be very difficult to destroy or gut his health care program; and that's the key reason that Obama is being replaced. His damned-rammed down our throats health program. We have only the Supreme Court to do its job, and throw out the individual mandate.

(Sorry for the mid-post change of topic)

jkarnets--sorry, but no matter HOW you try to blame NAFTA and the mean old US for all the illegals coming here, NO ONE forced Mexico to sign that. No one, in fact, forced them to LOBBY FOR IT.

As for trying to stir up sympathy for anyone who has been through the process of being deported? They KNEW that it was against the law for them to come here illegally, and they DID IT ANYWAY. I have absolutely no sympathy for someone who doesn't LIKE being deported. We don't tell US criminals that we're sorry they feel degraded by having to wear ill-fitting orange jumpsuits and eat crappy cafeteria food.

Why on earth should we make deportation easy?

jkarnets..."And what they don't tell you is that they are spending 6 million dollars for each mile of this new wall..."

The solution is to destroy the incentive to cross illegally and that's simple. Start prosecuting those who hire illegals to the point no one will hire them. There will be no incentive for them to come here or stay. No jobs, no money equals self-deport.

Mexico is one of the richest 3rd world countries in the world. It has enormous revenues from PeMex, the national oil company. The Mexican government could easily take care of it's own poor, but why should they when they can simply dump their unwanted, uneducated peasant population on the U.S.? And they get paid for doing it when the illegals send money, to the tune of 10's of billions each year, back to Mexico. I hate to digress to such language, but in this situation, the U.S. is Mexico's prostitute. No, wait. A prostitute get's paid when used.

Ok even though you say that Mexico is the 3rd richest undeveloped country that doesn't mean that the people of Mexico is seeing any of that money. And any of the money that Mexico is getting from the Maquilas (factories that the USA has put in Mexico so that the companies can make their products cheaper) is going to pay the debt that the USA has put on Mexico. And I am open to learning more about both sides of the issue so if you can give me so information and links about Mexico getting lots of money from these companies then let me know so that I can read them. I am giving you facts that I know from personally going on a trip to Tucson learning about border issue and talking to people that are going through everything that I was learning. Also remember Mexico's government is corrupt unlike ours so the people of Mexico definitely don't see any money that Mexico brings in.

Those who protected the borders with private means did a better job catching illegal's crossing.

Mr Accountability-2446281

Those who protected the borders with private means did a better job catching illegals crossing.

Do you have any resources to point us at so we can read up on this claim or is this just your gut feeling?

Please share your resource's

illegal immigration is at a 40 yr low ... so lets change the strategy ... of course msnbc had to say the "Bush" strategy. " Intelligence based Strategy " that's scary, cause anytime I hear " Gubba'mint " and " intelligent " I worry.

Example, a little more than a year ago Gubba'mint passed ObamanationCare and told us it would cost $879 billion dollars, one year later the same Gubba'mint is telling us it's going to cost $3,200,000,000,000 Trillion. So, the cost for ObamanationCare has gone up by 400%. Oh, it gets better, ObamanationCare will only cover half of the uninsured. 4 times the cost and only half the people get coverage, mathamatically that is actually 8 times the cost but who's counting ... not friggin Obama.

Omega1,

Law Enforcement has already been given the OK to use unarmed drones on the general public. Does that answer you question?!!!!

Whats the point in that without man power at the ready to go pick up those identified as entering the country illegally? Probably those drones etc.. have been being used at the governments will on any population they so choose for quite some time now. get the troops out of foreign countries and put them at the borders!!!

Us! drones flying the skys of the usa.

The Border Patrol can't be everywhere at once. Currently they spend a lot of time and/or resources patrolling areas that may or may not contain illegals in hopes of crossing paths with them. It seems much more logical to me to find them via drone and then go to where they know they're at.

We have satellites that can almost read the name of a newspaper, if the letters are large enough, from space. If the government really wants to spy on it's citizens, it doesn't have to have drones.

We the people of the USA have been mislead by our own government on so many issues and illegal immigration is just another one that will never be stopped.

Every president elect I can remember has said they will deal with it but then once there elected its a non-issue, over and over again and again and...

Its to late to stop them and there anchor babies, relatives etc.

I think its was our governments plan all along to allow them in! As to why?

I couldn't give you that answer but I wish I could.

A declining US population might be one reason? I've followed this issue for many many years and nothing changes for the better (stopping the flow) and now with 20 million+ (real numbers I believe) illegal aliens what are we going to do?

Our government doesn't want to stop them and all there doing about the whole issue is smoke and mirrors period. Were stuck with them sadly and I wish I were wrong!

This of course is just my opinion and I will continue to hope something can be done to stop them and send the illegal aliens back.

So what about Canada? And all of the other illegal immigrants that come from all over the world? You say deport the illegal immigrants are you just talking about the ones that are coming from Mexico? If you are then you are discriminating and I thought that discrimination was over, well at least in our constitution its says something about segregation. So if you just think people crossing into the USA from Mexico should get deport then you better think about weather or not you like to discriminate. Think about if it was you trying to get money to just be able to maybe get some food on the table for your family or to clothe them or to get medical attention for them. The USA is a nation of immigrants so if you are saying deport well then I guess we all need to get deport because we are all immigrants. Do some research on what is happening to immigrants and how mistreated they are and then come back with a more scholarly comment. Go actually talk to someone that has to cross into the USA in order to just stay alive. Do the research before you talk!

Nobody except people crossing the Mexican border or Canadian border can come to the US illegaly. They don't have to be Mexican mind you to do it, it is just physically impossible for somebody from Brasil, Germany or Japan to simply walk over to the USA.

You have people smuggled by the organized crime to the USA from Far East in the containers and some overstaying their tourist visas from Europe (mostly a matter of not knowing how to navigate the system, because once you are in the USA legally there is a plenty of ways to ensure you can stay legally for years, if not forever), but that is a drop in the bucket by comparison.

So basically you are splitting hairs here - for every 100,000 illegal immigrants crossing the Mexican border you will have 1000 Russians or Polish, or 100 Brits who did not file for the visa extension...

You still didn't answer my question. There is nothing really being done on our border with Canada so are we being racists and discriminating? I think the USA is? Let me know when you do research about the whole issue and not just saying things. I went personally and saw how inhumanly our government is treating illegal immigrants and I also talked with actual people just like you and I in Mexico and heard their stories. Have you? Until you do that you will never know the true harm that the USA is doing to these immigrants. And most illegal immigrants came here legally and now their visas are expired because even though they did everything right to apply for an extension or apply for residency or citizenship it takes anywhere from 10-20 YEARS to even have your application looked at and reviewed. The last time I looked at (which was only a couple of weeks ago) the website that shows what years they are reviewing applications for green cards is 1994! Wait isn't it 2012! That is just crazy! DO SOME RESEARCH!!!!

Why don't these folks wanting to get out of Mexico so badly because life is just so horrible there stop, organize, fight and take their country back! They are already organizing and protesting in American streets for "dream acts" so that anchor babies can go to college on Americans dime. America fought for freedom from the british and hey..we won!!!! Why would this or other countries stand behind Mexican citizens revolting against government and cartels and offer support in that fight rather than have them come here and be handed jobs, homes, medical services and the like that we are NOT giving to our own countrymen???

@jkarnets, we don't have an influx of Canadians coming to the US to work as cheap labor, so there is no need to have a tight border with them when they aren't sneaking in here in droves every day. So no, we aren't being racist, we are being logical. Why waste resources on a non-issue?

Our North border is packed full of motion dectors and listening devices. Our problem with Canada is the people bringing down pot. The company I work for sent a few guys up to Canada a few weeks ago and when they got back they told us of massive hiring in the oil industry that pays WAY more then the 23 per hr we get!. The problem is you got to be able to man-up in the freezing temps, work 12hr a day, and live on site for extended periods on the companys dime. Being I went through winter warfare training in the Yucon at Ft.Wainwright Alaska the thought of going up there to work in the harsh enviorment is very tempting. So, with that said I doubt that Canadians are coming here to take our jobs.

Mexico has always been messed up,why? just take mexico over and make it anouther state,get rid of the cartels and exploit theyre natural resources.

"...it takes anywhere from 10-20 YEARS to even have your application looked at and reviewed."

Uhm... No. It takes between 1 and 5 years to get a Green Card usually - a really unlucky shmuck like me had to wait about 8 years, however a good portion of that was the post-9/11 mess and my employer screwing up the paperwork.

The citizenship - again - you have to wait 5 years to apply and and about 1 year to make it happen. Very few people experience any kind of hardship due ot Geen Card limitations on travel and family member visits, but yeah, the worst case scenario is you need to wait 5 years to have your family come over.

Of course if you need to travel for work or can afford to travel for pleasure extensively, well you cannot do it... :-)

Haha your funny. Do some more research. As I understand you have had to do it but it seems like you have a pretty good job that is going to wait for you and pay your legal fees so of course it wouldn't take that long for you to get a green card and citizenship, but what about the people that are trying to cross legally but can't because it takes 10-20 years (I have done research) for the application to be looked at. Go do some more research and then get back to me.

jkarnets - Yes, it's discrimination, but only in that the limited resources we have are being focused on the place where a real, notable problem has been identified. (Discrimination is not inherently bad.) Say you have a wall with two doorways: one has people passing through it frequently, the the other rarely has anyone. You have enough materials to block both doors if you leave large gaps that people can still squeeze through and possibly break down, or to cover just one door enough that it's extremely difficult for anyone to get through.

skrewdworld - Many of those who could do best with a revolution don't have much ability to organize anything, and many of those who have the resources to organize either don't care or even profit from those coming illegally. Once here, it's much easier to fight for rights they believe they should have (possibly in part due to misinformation/ignorance, along with those who want to be considered equal humans, and those who, yes, are just looking for handouts) than to try to organize themselves, go back, and try to win their country, knowing full well that many of them would die before anything could be achieved (even if a more "peaceful" revolution was attempted).

jkarnets--your #5.9--see, you seem to be operating on the theory that just because some one WANTS to come here, they are ENTITLED to do so, and quickly.

Nothing could be further from the truth NOR should it be. The US has enough people. Particularly, we have enough poor, and poorly educated/poorly trained people, already, and do not NEED any more. We have EVERY right to be very choosy about any NEW 'enterers', and absolutely no obligation to take any of them.

And while you like to pretend it is a racial thing, I find it just as racial that YOU only seem to be concerned with one particular "group" of people trying to come here, which is more racial than the US trying to limit our own over-crowding.

We are NOT the welfare state of the world, nor should we want to be. It is PERFECTLY reasonable to want to limit the immigrants to this country to people who have something to offer in the way of education or specialized training, who therefor will NOT as likely become a burden on the CITIZENS of this country.

And if we really wanted to be fair, we not only would not INCREASE the number of immigrants to the US from Mexico--we'd decrease it. We LEGALLY admit over 1 million immigrants every year, which is one for ever 350 AMERICAN citizens.

Of those 1 million, over 60% come from Mexico, and another 20% from OTHER 'Latin American' countries. Are you seriously going to try to claim that there are no "poorer" or more needy immigrants from OTHER parts of the world who deserve that visa more than the Mexicans/Hispanics? That the "melting pot" everyone claims we need to be would not be MORE enriched and diversified by spreading OUT the visas more fairly? That we wouldn't gain just as much culturally from immigrants from those OTHER societies?

Who's the racist here?

Pax said:

Uhm... No. It takes between 1 and 5 years to get a Green Card usually - a really unlucky shmuck like me had to wait about 8 years, however a good portion of that was the post-9/11 mess and my employer screwing up the paperwork.

It depends on what country you're from. Wait times are different for different countries. See this clip from Rachel Wilson, an immigration attorney in Tucson:

"Out there, there is this perception that there is a process you can easily go through to become legal, but let's say you're Mexican as an example, since most of the immigrants in Tucson are from Mexico. You decide you want to move to the U.S. for economic opportunity, but if you don't have any family members here ... that will sponsor a visa for you, there is no way for them to come legally to the U.S."

If a person wants a work visa in the U.S., and eventually to become a citizen, it's easier if they have a relative in the country who has legal status and can file a petition on their behalf. In those instances there are lines of people waiting -- a wait that can go from a period of a few years to sometimes almost a decade.

"If you have an immediate relative who lives in the United States that is your spouse or a child over 21, then you can apply for a visa relatively quickly. It has to be your immediate relative and that person has to be a citizen. So then let's say you have a spouse who is a legal permanent resident; then you have to get in line and wait probably three or four years. Or you go all the way down to the farthest relative away who can invite a person in, who is a brother or sister who is a citizen, and that line for Mexican citizens is long. There are different lines based on what country you are from. There are some countries that have extra long lines because the United States has determined that there are too many people from that country already," Wilson explains.

On the bulletin posted for September 2010 is an explanation of the different visa categories -- employment-based visas and family-based visas are all based on specific numbers of visas allotted each year for each category and five countries that have a specific visa quota. Mexico is included in that list, as well as China (mainland born), India, the Dominican Republic and the Philippines.

Mexico happens to be the most backlogged of all the countries on the bulletin. For example, next month the State Department will look at petitions of brothers and sisters of adult citizens that were filed in January 1994, but if you are from China, they are going to be getting to petitions filed in October 2001. “It's really complicated. When they are talking about the preferences they are talking about the degree to the relationship you have and what preference you are in the visa system. So then let's say you're Mexican and you have a brother or sister in the United States who petitions for you. Here we are in 2010, and they are processing petitions that were filed in 1994. So that's a wait of 16 years," Wilson says.

If anything does work in the system it is deportation. Wilson says people who argue that the government isn't doing its job and deporting people are wrong. "It's a flat-out lie. ... The government is deporting people left and right, and immigration courts are backed up two or three years in deportation hearings. The detention centers are full of people, and Immigration has to rent out space in other facilities. For example, everyone is scattered now between the detention center in Eloy and the detention center in Florence, and the Pinal County Jail and the Central Detention Center, and women are sometimes sent out to (the Goodyear prison) Perryville."

"What the government isn't good at is processing people's (applications) -- people who have a right to be here, people who have the ability to get their green card."

Pax said:

Nobody except people crossing the Mexican border or Canadian border can come to the US illegaly. They don't have to be Mexican mind you to do it, it is just physically impossible for somebody from Brasil, Germany or Japan to simply walk over to the USA.

There are 'illegals' here from practically EVERY country in the world. See the below article clip:

An official Immigration and Customs Enforcement database, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, showed a U.S. detainee population of exactly 32,000 on the evening of Jan. 25.

The data show that 18,690 immigrants had no criminal conviction, not even for illegal entry or low-level crimes like trespassing. More than 400 of those with no criminal record had been incarcerated for at least a year. A dozen had been held for three years or more; one man from China had been locked up for more than five years.

Nearly 10,000 had been in custody longer than 31 days -- the average detention stay that ICE cites as evidence of its effective detention management.

Immigration lawyers note that substantial numbers of detainees, from 177 countries in the data provided, are not illegal immigrants at all. Many of the longest-term non-criminal detainees are asylum seekers fighting to stay here because they fear being killed in their home country. Others are longtime residents who may be eligible to stay under other criteria, or whose applications for permanent residency were lost or mishandled, the lawyers say.

Since 2003, Congress has doubled to $1.7 billion the amount dedicated to imprisoning immigrants. Based on the amount budgeted for this fiscal year, U.S. taxpayers will pay about $141 a night -- the equivalent of a decent hotel room -- for each immigrant detained, even though paroling them on ankle monitors -- at a budgeted average daily cost of $13 -- has an almost perfect compliance rate, according to ICE's own stats.

A system that housed 6,785 immigrants in 1994 now holds nearly five times that amount in 260 facilities across the country, most under contract with local governments or private companies. For this fiscal year, ICE has enough money budgeted for 33,400 people on any given night.

actually the obama administration has a higher rate of deportation than any president ever has.

Thats why he wants to know why they are coming... so he and his fellow Mexicrats know what to say in their speeches.

"You all want free healthcare, free rent, free school, no e-verify, no ability of states to enforce federal law, in-state college tuition, college scholarships, ..... you got it."

Mike,

You are so incorrect!!! Jimmy Carter Stopped Law Enforcement from calling INS and having illegals deported during his term in office. Before that illegals were deported regularly. Lyndon Johnson took the SS dept. out from under its protective umbrella, so any goverment agency could raid its bank account, and leave an IOU behind. Don't spout off unless you know your history. I know you did not mention SS, but it was mentioned elswhere so I threw it in...

Well lets see I spent 4 months in Kenya and I was able to get residency so lets see that was pretty smiple. Even though Kenya is an undeveloped country they still have a pretty strong government and their laws for residency are enforced. So why don't you go and be one of the people that are trying to feed their families and in order to do that they have to find jobs and because the US screwed over Mexico with a huge loan that they will never be able to pay off and not allowing subsidies for farming all of their jobs went down the drains. I did the research, I saw it in real life, I lived now why don't YOU go do the research, go see what is happening in real life and go live and then tell me what you think. Until you speak to someone that this is happening to or until it happens to you, you have no room to talk.

jkarnets-excellent why dont you stay in Kenya? The reason you got a residence is that you were bringing money not coming there to extract money. I could legally immigrate to the US back in the 90's if I had money and a job lined up. That is how many Chinese from Hong Kong came here, they brought money and bought homes. Now we are talking about group of people who are not coming here with money or resources that will contribute to our society. WE have been a refuge for Mexico's problems for ever. I do want any immigration period from any source for any reason. We do not need any more people here. Jobs that would pay reasonable wages have been cut out by cheap contract labor with illegals. They are exploited by other Mexicans who dont pay or low pay what they were promised. Cant compalin because employeer will cal INS. Jkarnets since Canada is part of NAFTA why dont you recommend they go there.

Dwight said:

I do want any immigration period from any source for any reason.

So no students coming over here to study medicine? No doctors coming here to pool their knowledge and share information to solve global health problems? No diplomats? No Olympic athletes coming to the US to train because we have the best facilities and most advanced performance technology in the world? No orphan children adopted internationally? No servicemen serving overseas meeting women over in a different country and bringing them here to settle after their service is done? No soldier seeing an orphan in another country, calling the wife and saying "since we can't have any of our own, let's adopt"? No international chefs to show us new ways of cooking, introduce new foods from exotic places, no artists from another country coming over to share their artwork, paintings, sculptures! No Brit rockers like the Beatles, Def Leppard, Van Halen, Queen, no Celine Dion, no Antonio Banderas or Ricky Martin or Jessica Alba? No movie stars from other countries coming over here to act in our movies, no hot Victoria's Secret models like Miranda Kerr from Australia, no performance artists like Riverdance, Cirque du Soleil? No international sports stars like Yao Ming, Jeremy Lin? No singers like Pavarotti or Charlotte Church? No developers from Ferrari coming over to design and develop American supercars?

dwight-981875-

Just to clear something up. I graduated from college May 2011 and I have been VOLUNTEERING since then so I have not been MAKING any money since then and really I was a student so I didn't have any money when I graduated either so no I didn't bring any money over this I didn't have any and I wasn't making any because I was volunteering. So why don't you rethink that answer!

How about staying on topic, dopehead.

Mr Accountability-2446281

How about staying on topic, dopehead.

Really? Is this how you want people to see you?

I agree. A lot of the illegals receive a lot of money for crossing the border carrying marijuana. Legalize it here and that issue will seize. We can grow our own. We will also see less bodies in the desert and trash. Next is to get Mexico to educate their people and set up a welfare system there. Most illegals have never been past the 6th grade and can barely read and write. Mexico is not poor- their politics are. After we legalize pot we can narrow the crooks down to who sells the nasty stuff like coke and meth and concentrate on them. Sounds common sense to me

exactly!! Mexico needs to take care of it's own!! Educate it's people so that they can have a productive work force available and they should be promoting business so thier citizens could have JOBS other than "drug mule". They need to educate and assist their own rather than go to our government and beg for us not to deport thier own citizens back to Mexico!!! But I guess they would rather get rid of their less than (desireables)instead!! I'm sure they love having their criminal elements housed in American prisons rather than their own!!!!! I mean wow, look at the money they save for that reason alone!!!!

Haha that sounds just so smiple doesn't it. But see Mexico's government is corrupt unlike the USA's, even though some would say its a little corrupt, but Mexico's is super corrupt and power hungry. The Mexican government won't do anything for the people of Mexico because they are too worried about paying themselves and keeping their life style. Right now in Mexico kids get to go to school until they are 12 and only for 4 hours each day. I doubt the government will change that anytime soon.

Mraccountability is one of the brainwashed. He uses outdated rhetoric to justify his racist attitude.

Marijuana prohibition has BANKRUPTED AMERICA. Marijuana is HARMLESS. Marijuana is not "dope".

Heroin is dope. Mraccountability is a dope. Let's not confuse "dope" with something good, healthy and beneficial like cannabis.

Jkarnets- So why does a failed Mexican gov or wealth controlling light skinned Hispanic class putting down the original Mexican people the USA 's problem. We did not conquer Mexico and create the ruling class there. Spain did, blame those that came here and stole the peoples land and bled the country. We are not responsible for their government , they could not fix it with a revolution. The old money in Mexico wants no changes. The best jobs stay in the power class. Same exists in Guatemala, Nicarauga , etc . Ruling power wants to keep poor down. They dont care about country as a whole. Why should we?

If you decide to come here legally you have to get a physical and have to pass it !

Not! If you come here go through the proper means, like your great granparents did it and mine.

Mike - its too early for sarcasm.

True. For everyone on the welfare rolls, the State of AZ. and any State for that matter, receives a subsidy for that person (not this year or the last unprecented two years as the feds have sanctioned the State of AZ. almost $42 million for quality issues in Food Stamps). This has been going on for years. We have allowed the illegals in AZ., this has been happening for years and Az. has allowed them to receive benefits as their "U.S." born children would be eligible

when are you running for pres? you got my vote imright !!!!!

Easy, bro. We know the problem and it is the people who are not doing their jobs while the government winks at it.

If that's true. My wife is now of mexican heritage, and my name is paco rodriguez... now where's my money?

That's funny how they never mention all the pregnant women coming over to give birth to their new "instant citizens". A major economic taxpayer drain and burden on border state hospitals that is never talked about.

The legal age of consent in Mexico is 12 years old. Is it any wonder why there are so many generations of family all receving government benefits??

He is an illegal as far as I am concerned.

i agree his whole family is illeagal

JBC822

You make a good point.

Remember the adage " BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME" WHAT HAPPENED IN THE USA WAS.

"Move it and they will leave" This is why we have no skilled labor here in the USA. You don't educate people for jobs that have been MOVED OVER SEAS.

WE NO LONGER HAVE THE NEED EDUCATE PEOPLE HERE IN THE USA FOR THE COMPANIES THAT HAVE MOVED OVERSEAS.

Very easy! " Rebuild the manufacturing in the USA and we will gear up the educational system to supply those jobs".

SO DAMN POLITICAL!

yes the illegals have paid into and reaped the results. Our government at work.

Where are you getting your info? 22 yr olds are not getting that kind of money without experience in the field.

rocky-2318920

yes the illegals have paid into and reaped the results. Our government at work.

REALLY

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/05/latest-scam-illegal-aliens-getting-bigger-tax-refund-checks/

ALSO California illegals use $8.00 of services for every $1.00 they pay in taxes.