Amen.

The little "Bo" was suspended from school for weed earlier and went down to the sto for a cherry blunt to stack some reefer. No skittles and he was no angel.........

Little boy? Hardly. And I am sure some people will riot if he is found not guilty. That really helps! Let the system try to work.

he was an unarmed little boy with a bag of skittles

Unarmed yes, little boy no. The pictures you see are from 5 or 6 years ago. He was a 6' tall football player. He might have been slightly on the trim side at about 160, but he cannot really be classified as a little boy.

I am not saying guilty or not guilty. I do not think the Stand Your Ground rule should apply, since he followed Martin and placed himself in the situation after being told not to, but I am a little tired of everyone saying Trayvon was a little boy.

@ Torres...

There goes another typical libbie (you)... racist name calling because he has no other vaild point. They both had the right to be in that location, totally legal... but the 'kid' committed fellony assault if it plays out like the facts are leaning towards.. It will because of the law if Zimmerman walks.

And the people who riot are the lowest form of scum, just plain vandals. People died in the King riots.... oh.. but that's ok right?

And the average kid doesn't get a 10 day suspension for the hell of it by the way.

Back East, actually kids do get 10 day suspensions and worst for doing less. Clearly you do not pay attention to what goe son in schools now days. Or maybe it's because I have kids. People really need to stop talking out of their asses.

According to the Sanford police incident report of Trayvon Martin's death, he was 6'0" tall and weighed 160 pounds. A witness to the confrontation just prior to the shooting stated that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and punching him, while Zimmerman was yelling for help. This witness, who identified himself as "John", stated that "the guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911" He went on to say that when he got upstairs and looked down, "the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point.".
When police arrived on the scene, Zimmerman told them that Martin had attacked him, and that he had shot Martin in self-defense. Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and had a wound on the back of his head. EMTs treated Zimmerman at the scene, after which he was taken to the Sanford Police department where he was questioned for hours, taped a video statement, and was released without being arrested. Police said that they had not found evidence to contradict his assertion of self-defense.

I worked in Corrections almost twenty years, so I dealt with evidence, witness reports, etc. From what I see, Zimmerman won't be found guilty.

Dan,

There are MORE witnesses that contradict "John's version". So, maybe you should wait to hear "all" the evidence before congratulating GZ!

You do know that unless Zimmerman is dead or in jail for life, there will be riots in Florida reminiscent to the Rodney king riots?

And there-in-lies the whole reason this has become a national story, that being the efforts of the national media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and ESPECIALLY MSNBC, to drive this toward that end. The clowns in these news organizations framed this in terms designed to inflame the black community when Zimmerman is found innocent. Their motives, one, it makes great news, two, to drive their left wing gun control agenda. To remain a free nation we absolutely need a free press, but what these news organizations are doing is beyond irresponsible, shocking, and down right criminal. From all the evidence I've heard and read to date, Zimmerman acted within the law, that is why he was never charge following the initial investigation. The media decided they knew better and began running stories more typical of Pravda, or some Nazi Propaganda Ministry to drive this to where we are today. I see almost no way for justice to be served as it will be next to impossible for George to get a fair trial. The bottom line is either an innocent man goes to jail or the streets are running in blood if he doesn't. The national media makes me sick!

At Payned1...you realize your ancestors would have also been illegals, but for the fact that there wasn't any kind of goverment for a country that had not yet been established, we call those ancestors pilgrims. Interesting.... You know what else is a really good fact I should add here: the ancestors of Latino decendents were hear long before the pilgrims came to the Americas. AND this conversation has nothing to do with the issue. So stop your racial bashing. You are an ignoramus and it shows.

Bluestar, we be an established country. What is yo point?

At Dasvet, my comment was in response to some racial slur some idiot said prior to your response to me and proving that you are also an ignoramus. Proof read before you post your comments. You're missing a few letters, maybe a couple words in your sentences.

@ Smoothie...

Kids would get less when it's a first offence... This wasn't Trayvons first offence at school...hence the 10 day suspension. Stealing jewerly by prying open lockers with a screwdriver... You must have a swell kid there.

I will never understand how people think Zimmerman behaved in a rational normal way that night. He is not rational and the longer this goes on his tenuous grip on reality will begin to fray.

The Norse and Irish were here before the Spanish. All of us, even the Native Americans came here from AFRICA so it is the African that has the LAST word in who has the right of first colonization and the ONLY Native peoples on the entire planet are the African tribes. As for the concept of race, there is no scientific basis for race as there are no genetic sub-species of humans upon which a concept of race can be structured so the scientific terminology more often revolves around cultural and ethnic divisions which are environmental rather than genetic although medically there is some evidence of genetic propensity towards certain medical conditions which are passed through our gene pool and can be narrowed down in scope based on certain racial characteristics. Since these genetic propensities can be expunged from the gene pool by selective cross-breeding there is no reason to suppose that race can be used as a defining characteristic. The layman, in his/her ignorance, will attempt to use color as a race indicator when, in actual scientific study, all humans are exactly the same color and the variation is one of depth of color. In other words the pencil used to draw a human will be the same color always but you press harder to color an African than you would to color a Swede. ;-D

To hardtostarboard

The blacks will riot over anything. To the blacks it just a cultural gathering backed by Jackson and Sharpton.

Torres Wayne You're a complete racist,

Torres, Until you know how to define the term "racist", just hush. Everyone seems to be blacklisting either Zimmerman or Martin - and no one knows the ultimate facts. Time to sit back and wait now that the smoke is somewhat settling. Let the courts figure it out and quit laying blame.

I don't understand the people who offer that Trevyon was no angel. Are you saying that his murder is justified because he wasn't a squeaky clean straight A student?

Zimmerman lost his right to claim 'stand your ground' when he didn't stand his ground but pursued. Everything that happened after that was caused by Zimmerman's actions.

If the story that the witness "John" told is true, that Zimmerman was on the bottom and asking for help and that John told him he was calling 911 that works against Zimmerman, IMO. It establishes that Zimmerman knew help was on the way and he didn't need to use deadly force. Zimmerman can't have it both ways.

cork said:

Dont forget their have been bounties put on him though the justice dept ignored them.

The person within the Black Panther organization responsible for the 'bounty' was arrested.

Back East said:

Stealing jewerly by prying open lockers with a screwdriver... You must have a swell kid there.

According to various news reports, he had a screwdriver and several items of feminine jewelry in his backpack. The jewelry was not conclusively identified as belonging to anyone or having been stolen and the screwdriver--well, I carry one around with me. And a pocketknife. And a tape measure. And a keychain light and a pen with a UV light. Just having one is not proof that someone has done something illegal.

Amanda - Unfortunately, he was arrested for an unrelated weapons charge, not the matter of the bounty. That still has remained unaddressed (at least as far as I have seen in the news).

Wooooosh, it is so common today to just lie to make one's point look better and you have taken that habit to heart. At the time of the incident, Treyvon weighed 140 pounds and Zimmerman weighed 200 pounds. I see these lies reporting that Treyvon weighed 160 and even 180 pounds. I don't care if he was 7 feet at 300 pounds, he was still a child. No amount of lying will change his age.

The little "Bo" was suspended from school for weed earlier and went down to the sto for a cherry blunt to stack some reefer. No skittles and he was no angel.........

Good grief, since when does catching someone with a couple of joints make them a menace to society?

You're probably talking about half to 3 quarters of the people born since WWII. A

Man you are so right SMH61, I was 6' 165 at 14yrs old and played sports and worked out, etc. People are forgetting the fact that the physical strength of a man like Zimmerman is vastly superior to the strength of a boy. There is no comparison, period. A strong, active child of similar build and weight to an adult will not be as strong and the fact is that George was quite a bit bigger than Trayvon. To me that begs the question, "Why is George lying?" Unless he has the fighting skills of a parapelegic 8 year old little girl he would have kicked the kids butt. Why the shooting George? That's my thought.

"Why is George lying?" Unless he has the fighting skills of a parapelegic 8 year old little girl he would have kicked the kids butt. Why the shooting George?

That was FUNNY!

It is understandable he is in hiding, since there have been death threats and supposedly a bounty out on him. If he is acquitted he will have to continue hiding. They will not be able to house him with the other prisoners if he is found guilty.

I feel sorry for his wife and kids, they did nothing wrong... but they still get to see him; unlike Trayvon's family.

To heck with it.. ZIM DESERVES BETTER THEN TO BE HUNG OUT TO DRY.. WHY are all the bleeding hearts wanting to call people bigots simply because others say he was defending his neighborhood? I know why Like all freaking bleeding hearts all you want is what you want and to hell with what's right. Zim deserves a fair trail and will not get one because of the bleeding hearts and Jessie, and AL and the NAACP.. As far as I'm concerned none of you know what a bigot is even if it came up and bit you in the hind end!

cork-807527

I think Mark is wise to keep his client under wraps. Their could be people who have been planning for this aaraignment to try to follow and kill him. Dont forget their have been bounties put on him though the justice dept ignored them. Also, Zimmerman might be a little naive about running his mouth. He needs to stay quiet. They arent going to get a uanimous verdict against him no matter what pool of juries they come up with. And the word is "STAND YOUR GROUND".

The so called bounty u speak of was for the capture and arrest for zimmerman. That has already been done. Whatever else you're thinking is your own morbid conjecture.

Seven2Seven

The little "Bo" was suspended from school for weed earlier and went down to the sto for a cherry blunt to stack some reefer. No skittles and he was no angel.........

It amazes me how this story has taken off and the facts have gotten so entangled. He was suspended for vandalism when he wrote "WTF" on a school locker. Get your facts straight. As for the other crap you said, you've simply put your own spin of hate to it.

ron-1650858

To hardtostarboard

The blacks will riot over anything. To the blacks it just a cultural gathering backed by Jackson and Sharpton.

I was wondering how long it would take for a bigoted comment to come out and you sure didn't disappoint.

By your own words he was acting in self defense. Stfu and use your brain please.

Martin was a BIG kid - not the 12 yr old in the pictures the parents put out

hummbird-3359530,

If anyone was standing their ground it was Martin, the stalking victim!

You are correct!

It is good to see that you agree he shot the person that was beating on him. Case closed.

Case closed.

Doubt that!

You all need to chill out on this whole "stalking" thing. You don't know who was after who first. There are too many mixed understandings as to exactly how things went after Zimmerman contacted dispatch about a suspicious person. All we know is that he did leave his car to follow Martin after he was advised not to do so. After that the details get fuzzy because we are only going off of hearsay from Martin's parents, Zimmerman's side of the story and sounds clips from a cell phone during the struggle. Wait until everything comes out before anyone, and I mean ANYONE, starts claiming what happened. I think both sides have made some major mistakes that led to Martin's death, but unless you have solid proof that BEYOND a reasonable doubt that this was done on purpose, Zimmerman or Martin was the first to attack, and all the facts that led up to Martin's death, I suggest you all just wait and let the trial play out.

@ hummingbird.... Zimmerman was on a neighborhood watch.. One of his 'black' neighbors told him to be on the watch because 'black kids' were going through the neighborhood (msn news artical several weeks ago)..

If police say they are on the lookout for a red car, they don't go pulling over blue ones... Zimmerman was just watching Trayvon... it was Trayvon who assaulted Zimmerman..

"We don't know what happened, but we do know that, Zimmerman shot him because he was losing a fist fight, and Zimmerman is a coward."

And this my friend is called SELF DEFENSE, and the whole crux of this case. Makes no difference who threw the first punch, makes no difference in the eyes of the law. Now say what you will about that 17 yr old, but he was No Angel as you folks try to make him out to be. And while he may not have been a gangsta thug, he sure as hell wasn't a straight A kid.

Again you can say he had every right to be in the neighborhood, but he was a stranger. And there wouldn't have been a neighborhood watch if there wasn't crime and there wasn't a law defying element in that neighborhood. The world is not a safe place, and not everyone you see, meet, or talk to is a good person. And yes Zimmerman had his brushes with the law as well, but at the end of the day the judge and jury will decide. And realize this as well - in any situation there are 3 sides to every story - 2 from those involved and the truth which sits somewhere inbetween.

Back East,

Zimmerman was on a neighborhood watch

Not THAT night, he wasn't!

'black kids' were going through the neighborhood

That's called "profiling" and it's against the law! Trayvon was NOT doing anything wrong, and he was staying there!

Zimmerman was just watching Trayvon

Really, how did Trayvon end up dead?

It was Trayvon who assaulted Zimmerman..

NO evidence to support "that theory".

jo-an, you weren't there, there is yet to be a trial, facts are not all in for a jury to determine guilt or innocence, so stop the pontificating.

Wow...with all the facts that you have there's really no need for a trial

The Idiots are all present and accounted for captain

Jo-An,

Not to be mean, but I have a new perspective for you on the 'profiling' thing.

I've been in the line of duty, and profiling has saved my life. I wear a hoodie ALL THE TIME so im not using this as a determining factor of anything, but I will be less patient with whites over blacks and hispanics simply because of the area I am in, most white people I have dealt with are meth heads, but when I see two young men flashing gang symbols yelling racial slurs, making threats, I know they are gang members, key factor being the gang symbols, who else but gang members would do that? No intelligent person at least... When I call in for backup or to make a report, their skin color is used for a description. It is not because we are racist, its because its describing. And Profiling someone is a good way to tell who is doing what, because they follow the same trends. I have had to break it to parents and grandparents that their 'innocent' children are in jail or in a body bag because they attempted to shoot up night clubs, sell drugs, or some other illegal activity. Now, should Zimmerman have been charged with something before now? Most definately, should people like you and everyone else on both sides of the fence keep calling everyone else's post theorys? No. We do not have the evidence. We do not know, for certain, because everyone believes what is typed out for them. If i were to say Hey guys the world is flat, would you believe it? No, because its proven otherwise, and until its proven, please try to be open to the fact that Trayvon may not be the victim.

Mike Josephenie

Wow...with all the facts that you have there's really no need for a trial

The Idiots are all present and accounted for captain

I will assume you are talking about yourself!

Ssimmons117,

Since there is ZERO evidence pointing to Trayvon doing ANYTHING WRONG...Let's see what evidence the prosecution actually has....GZ admitted to "profiling" Trayvon because he was black, and black teens were burglarizing the area. Trayvon was doing nothing wrong that night.

"We don't know what happened, but we do know that....."

Just shut up!

Jo-An- you sound like a know it all . I agree with Paggy, just shut your pie hole.

Jo-An-4354969:

Perhaps you don't understand what 'profiling' is.

Suppose there had been reports that a particular crime, let's say burglary, had been being committed in an area and that a "stranger" (vs. a known "local") of a particular description, let's say a young white male, was seen apparently committing those crimes. Suppose someone who lives in the area sees one of the following unknown people wandering around the neighborhood at night in the rain without an obvious reason:

1. An elderly black female.
2. A young white female.
3. A young black male.
4. An elderly white male.
5. A young white male.

The quiz is, which one would it make sense to pay most attention to?

The answer, of course, is #5.

Why not #3? Because the person reportedly committing the burglaries was white and #3 is black. Is picking #5 "racial profiling against white people"? No, of course not.

Why not #4? Because their age doesn't match the person suspected of committing the crime. Is paying little attention to #4 "agism based profiling? No, of course not.

I hope you can see how this works for #1 and #2 also.

I'm curious, when you go the market to pick up bananas, do you spend hours looking for bananas in the cereal aisle and eventually give up and go home empty handed because you don't find what you are looking for there?

LOL...Stop the "pontificating"....OH WOW....

I should wait for facts, but YOU guys ALL have the facts..

hahahha...

Hypocrisy at it's finest!

WhatsLegal,

GZ was looking for "black male teens" committing crime in the neighborhood...

He found a "black male teen", problem was....he was NOT committing a CRIME! You can't just "shoot" someone because they are black, male and teen.....

GZ should have stayed in his vehicle, AND waited for the police,

but NO, he had to make sure this one "didn't get away"...his words.....

Martin wasn't just walking home...he was acting strangely, like he's on drugs or something. (According to the 911 call.)

Zimmerman identified Martin as 'black' when he was walking toward him in his vehicle. (According to the 911 call.)

Martin should have continued walking to his father's girlfriend's home. Why did he walk toward Zimmerman's vehicle with his hand in his waistband?

Zimmerman's words weren't "didn't get away" but "they always get away".

TWO SIDES

Jo-An, the area, via witness accounts, have stated that black males were robbing the area. So if you are neighborhood watch/police/even military, and someone tells you, hey this has been going on by this person, and describes them, what then? Zimmerman did not know this kid, Martin did not live there, so Zimmerman would have little to no chance of knowing him. He did however notice a young black male, he did not know, in the area, at night. Was the ice tea and skittles in a brown bag? because in the dark, only seeing the bag, to a person who is on watch, that bag can have anything in it, including burglary tools, weapons, drugs, etc. Zimmerman had no way of knowing who this kid was or what he was doing. Just because he wasnt 'on duty' doesnt mean he wasnt 'on duty'. Even when I was at home sleeping, if something were to happen at one of my job sites or places of employment, I would become 'on duty,' and have to go take care of that issue. Neighborhood watch, even if hes not on duty, he still has the civic right (constitutional right) to watch out for possible threats. Again Martin may or may not have been a threat, we do not know the full details of what happened between the 911 calls and when police arrived, but we do know Martin did match a description of known people who were robbing the area. Just like in my complex, if someone said a white guy wearing dark clothes and a hoodie was breaking into cars, I would probably be questioned by our on site security (whether they know me as a fellow law enforcement official or not) simply because I met the description. I always wear dark clothes, and I almost always wear hoodies, even in summer time. You are making an issue out of something that shouldnt be an issue, and are further helping to divide this country based on 'racial profiling.' This tool is what has saved many military and law enforcement officials in the line of duty. MANY MANY times, but yet by double standard, its only bad when its a young black male, correct? Or if the officer is white? I hate to tell you this, but our streets are dangerous. Law enforcement doesnt have time for double standards, not if they want to go home, alive, and in good health to see their families. do I feel bad for Martin's family? Yes I do, I cant imagine loosing a child. But again, if the evidence shows that Martin did in fact go back and attack Zimmerman, what then? Ive had plenty of times people call me racist in the line of duty. But it had nothing to do with race, and ironically it was only the young black males who gave me this issue. I had less issues working with hispanics (and before calling me ignorant, at least I did learn a their various dialects of Spanish and respected their customs as well) simply because they know I don't care what race someone is, my only duty is to protect and defend the people of the US against all enemies foreign and domestic. Out of service, but I still hold to my oath.

cms5

acting strangely

Rather subjective term.....

he's on drugs or something.

Again, subjective terminology....

Martin should have continued walking to his father's girlfriend's home.

He WAS continuing "walking towards his father's girlfriend's home!

Why did he walk toward Zimmerman's vehicle with his hand in his waistband?

You have NO proof of that! Just a MURDERERS word!

Zimmerman's words weren't "didn't get away" but "they always get away".

My bad,

Fact's are: Zimmerman made sure this one didn't get away, didn't he?

Ssimmons117,

So.....you are trying to say, it was OKAY to MURDER any black teen walking through the neighborhood?

Or, do you think the "black teen" should have been doing something WRONG?

"looking suspicious" isn't enough reason to a reasonable person...to KILL THEM!

Martin should have continued walking to his father's girlfriend's home.

He WAS continuing "walking towards his father's girlfriend's home! -Proof that he was? (Im being objective here, just where is the proof he was?)

Why did he walk toward Zimmerman's vehicle with his hand in his waistband?

You have NO proof of that! Just a MURDERERS word! -Again proof that he didnt? Profiling can come into play here: a lot of young males (not just blacks) do wear low riding pants where they have to hold it with their hands because they forgot what belts were for. This can be a scary situation as well. A lot of gang members keep their firearms right there, profiling here again, because that is what they do. They follow the same patterns and trends, which is what profiling is for. Can it be used for bad, yes it can. Can someone be over zealous? No. Can a person be wayyy to jumpy? YES.

Facts are: WE DONT KNOW. All we have is news headlines.

EDIT: Did i ever say it was ok? No. But I have had racist black gang members trying to beat the ever living crap out of me, and had it not been for my partners I would have pulled my gun and shot them too, because simple fact is just because it was a fist fight doesnt mean it wasnt life and death. Some people when they fist fight, will fight to the death. Ever seen those gang initiation videos? doubt it. If someone looks suspicious, yeah we report it. If we didnt and something did happen, what then? Honey, please join up with some form of law enforcement, you will hopefully have a change of mind. The world isnt what you think it is, it is VERY dangerous. And the danger gets younger. Ever head of the bloods? They ahve their own 'in gang' program of children being born into their ranks...

heard of the bloods*

While 'acting suspiciously', or 'appearing as though they are on drugs' is possibly subjective...that was how Zimmerman described Martin's behaviors to the 911 dispatcher. Zimmerman called 911...Martin did not, so we don't have a tape of his reactions to what Zimmerman was doing.

I agree Ssimmons117...we don't have all of the facts. It seems that many have based their conclusions merely upon MSM's opines.

Jo-An likes to live with her head in the sand. She doesn't understand the simple logic behind your patient attempts to educate her to the realities of the world. It seems to me that she lives a very sheltered life and is very comfortable pontificating and judging the world and those around her without any consideration of any relevant fact but for those that fit into her narrow-minded liberal definition of right and wrong. She has, apparently, never actually experienced the loss and heartache that comes from losing a friend, the need to watch out for a neighbor. I am certain she believes this is the work of us in law enforcement but she really is not interested in the how and why we can function and do the job assigned to us and she has no interest whatsoever in understanding that we, in law enforcement, can't always be there for you when you are in trouble.

You will note that I have not identified either TM or GZ as the victim in this post. I don't know ALL the facts and I am hoping that those facts are available for the court and jury to make a proper decision. I fear, however, that should those facts show that GZ should never have been charged and was justified in his shooting (which is a very real possibility) the war that starts due to the dismissal of the case may have very far-reaching and damaging repercussions for all races for a long time.

Ssimmons117,

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/02/us/the-events-leading-to-the-shooting-of-trayvon-martin.html

Here is a detailed map of the area. If GZ was coming or going from his home, out or in the front entrance, spotted Trayvon somewhere before the mailbox area (because he had been watching him, he said) then he stopped somewhere near the front of the complex. He stopped following and lost him, so how then did he end up BEHIND the houses where Trayvon was still walking towards his home?

Also, if you listen to the 911 call where the shot is fired, he (Trayvon) is screaming for his life, for nearly a minute BEFORE the shot rings out, and the screaming STOPS!

3rd 911 call on this tape:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/31/trayvon-martin-shooting-911-call-screams_n_1394224.html

And then there is the witness that says the "larger guy" was on top, and after the gunshot, the larger guy got off the dead person! Not from under.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/27/kth-trayvon-martin-witness-steps-forward/

'black kids' were going through the neighborhood

That's called "profiling" and it's against the law! Trayvon was NOT doing anything wrong, and he was staying there!

No it's not. That is called a fact. It would be profiling if he followed Trayvon only because he was black which we cannot prove. Even if all the calls Zimmer called in were about blacks doesnt mean it is profiling if the only people trespassing were black. Again that would be a fact and another thing we would be hard pressed to prove.

David-1929375,

She has, apparently, never actually experienced the loss and heartache that comes from losing a friend, the need to watch out for a neighbor

Obviously, YOU know NOTHING about ME! So, I'd appreciate it, if you could keep your opinions about my personal experiences and life, to yourself!

If you want to debate the facts we know, fine, but attacking me personally just shows....you've got NOTHIN!

Where are the mailboxes on this picture?

Ssimmons117

Where are the mailboxes on this picture?

If you are looking at the NYT's interactive map, there are blue arrows on upper left side of the map, and it takes you through several (7 or 8) pages of different views of where he may or may not have been going.

That particular map is flipped over for viewing of neighborhood (south is on top and north on bottom)

I hope you don't live anywhere near me, or my family!

see truth is a mixed bag, either you love the neighbor with the gun in his hands or you don't. Me i could care less cause i am armed too...

In this instance I do agree with Jo-an. We don't need anymore fuel for this fire, and defiantly do not need people going vigilante with high powered rifles... That is danger waiting to happen.

Ssimmons117

Thank you!

We don't need anymore fuel for this fire, and defiantly do not need people going vigilante with high powered rifles... That is danger waiting to happen.

Agreed!

Im not completely without heart :) I do try to use common sense and intelligence in situations.

Ssimmons117

:)

just hire a guy...who should live in a van down by the river...for a over zealous heat pack'n neighbor hoody watch guy...

Hope youre shooting to scare and not to kill. aleonore: you maybe one of these days in zimmermans shoes.

Just Ice 4 All...

Actually, I have my firearm BECAUSE I value life. The lives of my family, friends, neighbors, strangers in need and myself above that of the low life dirtbags that want to take them.

YOU may choose to be a victim. I would prefer to be prepared and hope I never need to use my firearm again for defense.

As is often said; When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

PS: rliberto.. dirtbags come in all colors, sexes and sizes. Criminals are NOT discriminatory in victim or perpetrator.

why?i will tell you why.when i lived in the inner city,i had my house broken into twice,my car broken into twice,and my jeep stolen right out of the driveway.it was very costly to me.i would get up every morning and go to work to be able to afford nice things.then ,while i was at work some bum would steal my stuff ! i was always being called racist things and threatened by the teens and young men.try living somewhere other than suburbia before you throw stones...

spiceman - should have done his homework more thoroughly when deciding where to live. Poor choice of neighborhood fella. Just fyi - you could have picked a white "trash" trailer park and the same stuff would have happened there.

thanks barb,that was when i was 20 years old and could not afford college AND a 300k house starting out.so rather than go deep into debt,i bought a house i could afford.and fyi-i was explaining to "just ice 4 all "why i value firearms.i have no doubt i would equally carry my gun in a trailerpark also.and rest assured now that im pushing 40,(and have experience on my side)i would not hesitate to use it.

It would be nice to move into the "good" neighborhoods. But circumstances don't always allow you many choices. and not all trailer parks are trashy.

"Rednecks with guns"? Zimmerman wasn't a redneck and a hand gun is only for personal protection. You can't go out hunting with it or anything. Most hand guns are in the Cities, just like most of the murders committed by them.

@Rliberto: "We are just sick and tired of falling pray to the black street thug, hip hop, drug dealing culture that victimizes honest people."

Here we go again -- before you denigrate an entire race of people, the majority of whom are hard-working people out for the same things in life you seek for yourself and your family -- remember John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy; Jeffrey Dahmer, the Zodiac, the Son of Sam, the Boston Strangler, Eileen Wournos, that "wonderful White gentleman" from Seattle who hunted, shot and burned those 16 men, women and children in Afghanistan, the Columbine Shooters, Bernie Madoff, the Enron executives, etc., ad nauseum. Phucked up people come in ALL colors -- not just Black.

Our forefathers predicted with the right to bear arms that it was a vital part of national security. That was our one true saving grace from the Japanese in WW2, and saved us from any threat of invasion... because the world knows most Americans have firearms, and know how to use them. One of the Japanese Admirals was commented on stating this about one of the reasons why they didnt push in further.

Plus, as stated with the Above Poster, We have firearms because we do value lives. Its not the guns that kill people, they are but the tool. You can kill a man with a pencil, rock, stick, cable/cord, even water by drowning them. People will always find ways to kill other people, guns are just very good at deterring crime.

Been There-406834

You can't go out hunting with it or anything.

I hate to tell you but there are many of us that use a handgun for hunting.

It's more challenging and sporting. You need to get as close or closer than when hunting with a bow.

Ssimmons....what are you talking about? "Japanese Admirals commented on stating this about on the reasons they didn't push in further." PUSH IN FURTHER? Our "saving grace" from the Japanese in WW2?

Good grief....read some history before you post.

We have firearms because we value lives....and because the men who wrote the constitution of the US knew Americans needed guns to hunt for food for their families.

Id ask you the same thing. I have read my history. Perhaps you should do some research? It was our saving grace. Remember our own commanders commenting they could have made it as far as Chicago/the Mississippi river before we could stop them? Ever asked yourself why they didn't just come in and finish it? It wasn't due to they just wanted 'control' of the pacific. It would have been too heavy of losses, and they still would have lost before reaching DC. Same reason why the war of 1812 failed (since you may not know, the second invasion by the British).

It's sad that there are people who would kill him, put bounties on his head before he is found guilty. We don't know if Trayvon was scared or what. Wait for a Fair trial before you judge. If this had not become a race trial it may be different.

I agree with you Will, zimmerman should be treated like any other common criminal, charged with murder! WTF is going on in Florida!

Been There... I have no problem waiting for a Trial.. It's just I have never seen a person charged with Murder and is allowed to leave the state where the charges were filed. Can not show up for arraignment, Raising money on the internet... If this had been the other way around.. Trayvon would probably be on Death row by now... How can people not understand the anger? Seriously... Whatever happened noone will ever really know because the other side of the story is no longer here. All I'm saying is.. In California GZ would be sitting in the County Jail until trial. As he should.

He was bonded out, and it is standard to forgo an arraignment. He put in his plea and waived the hearing. Totally legal. And if he wants to raise money for his defense he should - it's not going to trial for probably a year, and it's going to be expensive. And no one will ever know what really happened. It's just not everything that it appears to be.

You don't know anything about the law so if you want to change it, go to FL with a gigantic petition to try change it.

Bull @!$%#.. Martin was the self proclaimed "No_limit_Nigga" I dont see a person fitting that discription being afraid of anyone or anything

Shame really...If he was a little bit scared...or even concerned...he would most likely still be alive. But bad ass's dont have time for such nonsense.

Innocent until proven guilty, really? what about Travon Martin. Did he receive this respect? Innocent until proven guilty...umm......really.

It's not at all unusual for the defendant to not appear at an arraignment. It's a couple minute procedure and counsel can take care of it easily.

Why should taxpayers pay the substantial additional costs that would be incurred (for additional police to tamp down any potential riots that protestors may start and to protect Zimmerman while he was on courthouse property) if Zimmerman had decided to appear in person? Just a waste of money that could go to more useful things.

Too bad Martin was not given the rights he had before Zimmerman murdered him. Zimmerman should not be free to roam the streets. He is seriously deranged.

George Zimmerman had every right in the world to follow a suspicious person in his neighborhood.

Martin had NO right whatsoever to physically assault GZ just for following him.

GZ had every right in the world to stand his ground and defend himself against violent assault and to protect himself from serious bodily injury and possible death at the hands of his assailant.

Martin had NO right whatsoever to physically assault GZ just for following him.

Of course there is NO PROOF of that!

It seems to me, and other's, that TRAYVON had the right to Stand HIS Ground!

Jo.. you are Indeed a moron of the highest order...trully a legend of epic porportions.

There was blood pouring...not gushing...but pouring out of George's head. Did you not see the pictures? Let me guess...there fake...photoshop maybe?

Oh.. but they were not life threating Injuries. Thats because he shot his ass when he did....DUH

Now please get back In the kitchen...I dont see your old man's tuna fitch samich making Itself by way of your keyboard....shew shew you vile creature.

Mike Josephenie

Jo.. you are Indeed a moron of the highest order...trully a legend of epic porportions.

Come on dude, take another look! It's drizzling down his head! If you think he was having his head pounded so severely, that he was in fear for his life, why didn't he go to the hospital? Why didn't he need stitches? Why are there no bandages on his head a mere 35 mins after he MURDERED Trayvon?

I'll tell you why! Because GZ is a BIG PUSSY, that had to carry a gun to be a big man! Much like some others on here that have to insult people to make themselves feel better! Hmmmmmm......

Now please get back In the kitchen...I dont see your old man's tuna fitch samich making Itself by way of your keyboard....shew shew you vile creature.

LOL...Misogynistic fools are such fun!

Mike Josephenie:

There was blood pouring...not gushing...but pouring out of George's head.

Pouring out of his head nothing -his cuts did no more than drip blood.

Pouring would have had the blood down his neck and his back. You saw blood dripping. No more.

Now please get back In the kitchen...I dont see your old man's tuna fitch samich making Itself by way of your keyboard....shew shew you vile creature.

Is that how you talk to women in America these days? Perhaps that is all they do in your family? No wonder then that you are so bigoted, backward and ignorant in your other views and comments as well.

At least develop some respect for the gender that gave birth to you -then you can start civilizing yourself from there. You should be ashamed of yourself.

:-}

Jo-An-4354969:

LOL...Misogynistic fools are such fun!

Misogynistic???? Too big a word for his type.

To communicate with him you have to bring it down a notch.

Probably!

Jo-an, stand your ground doesn't work for blacks. I've been reading up on the stand your ground cases in Florida. Not one of the blacks were found innocent for the stand your ground law. Two out of the three black cases I read I couldn't look at it as anyway but stand your ground. Why, because it happened in their homes. However, other cases with none blacks they were innocent in each one. One's that seemed crazy, you can't say it was racist tho because some were done to their same race.

When it comes to zimmerman tho, i think lots of people don't see it as stand your ground because of where they come from. With me, if you kill someone in a fight your guilty. That's how the law works in my state. I think alot of people are seeing it as what the laws they are use too. One thing I don't like about this case. Treat all the stand your ground cases the same. He getting special treatment when people that havent even hurt people are getting treated worse.

Terri,
Yup!
It's freaking TRUE! SYG benifits WHITES with GUNS!
Something is terribly WRONG in this country!
Sad!

They didnt just hide the facts, they flat out edited out the facts to create said firestorm.

There is a reason he wasnt charged the 1st time.. he acted within the law. The only reason he was charged the 2nd time was political.

jusbkoz

The media hid the facts about Martin to create a racial firestorm, it's sad this country has sunk into this cesspool of misinformation.

Wrong; the right wing media (and you) has engaged in a smear campaign against a kid that has not been convicted of a single thing. Does it matter to you that Trayvon has not had a trial for, nor been convicted of any crimes? nor any of that tripe you mention? Yet you guys have him hanged for every one of those offenses.

Should we try Zimmie for all that violence he was arrested for? Or that woman beating stuff, the cop shoving stuff? The public drunkeness, the underage drinking? The court ordered Anger Management sessions he had to attend just to wiggle out of his convictions?

Can't have it both ways -If George has not been convicted yet of anything; then apply the same consideration to Trayvon -after all, we know between the two that George was arrested and recieved court ordered anger management treatment for his.

Trayvon has not been convicted of anything either -all of us should act like it. Stop smearing the kid while asking for Zimmie to have a fair trial. If the kid can be tried on here, so can Zimmie -after all he was at least arrested for his; several times.

Jeremy-960164:

They didnt just hide the facts, they flat out edited out the facts to create said firestorm.

Nope, there were no firestorms, there were organized protests, they were not racial, all races of Americans were protesting the corruption of the police department, prosecutors office and not just Zimmie and Trayvon.

And all this happened long before the tapes were even edited -all of us were watching the first UNEDITED VERSION for days and days before the thing even got touched. None of this happened because of some edited tapes.

There is a reason he wasnt charged the 1st time..

Right you are -the Chief of police and prosecuter intervened too quickly and prevented the police/lead homicide detective in the case from doing his job

-which was arresting George Zimmerman for Manslaughter as he saw was fit; he saw George wasn't standing his ground. He should have been left alone to charge George -and none of this tripe you complain about would be happening.

And you are the ones trying to stir up a firestorm of racial strife, by constantly using race cards like "racial firestorm" to descibe the peaceful protests undertaken by all races, and blaming everything that happens on the media...you are nothing but dealing up the race cards yourself.

And there's not going to be any firestorms or riots by Black people, no matter what happens. There's not been any so far; and there won't be any. We'll use the legal means to address whatever our grievances are. It's what we've been doing, and it will continue. The right wing are the only ones talking about that crap. And if you want to bring up the New Panthers (who Black people don't even support) -take them with you, they are the mirror images of you pro gun nuts yourselves.

Some neighborhoods wait hours before the cops get there. Some areas in Houston 911 is an automatic "hold" for an operator.

What's your evidence for "neighborhood watches never work as planed [sic]"?

I've lived in many areas where police encourage formation of neighborhood watches -- why do you think that is?

Anyway, what's the relevance of this? Zimmerman was not acting in the role of a neighborhood watch volunteer that night.

yeah well when my local police have a response time of 25 minutes on a shots currently being fired, we have people down, need medical assistance, forgive me if my faith is more with the neighborhood watch guy than police. I work in the private sector, Ive had more support from residents of establishments and properties at times.

Ssimmons117:

forgive me if my faith is more with the neighborhood watch guy than police.

Does this mean that if you yourself had been the neighborhood watch guy that night and saw Trayvon, that step by step you would have did the same things George did -even down to shooting someone who had been screaming for help for over a minute on tape?

Ssimmons117:

yeah well when my local police have a response time of 25 minutes on a shots currently being fired, we have people down, need medical assistance,

Obviously you have a problem with your police services, listen to the police and give them what they need to do their jobs better -you can't get wild wild west and have vigilantes doing the policeman's jobs.

You right wingers might have to get your rich puppeteers to come up off of their fair share of taxes for more and better policeman to handle the thugs. You cannot go around with anger management and fear problems shooting up people minding their own business. Be civil about your solutions.

Mrperryrice, Thank you for your posts. This goes for Jo Ann as well.

I have followed this story for quite awhile, though I've only posted a couple times. I'm very concerned for the "Moral Majority's" bumper sticker hate statements. What has all this s**t taught me????

Well, after getting out of the Army in 1972, I swore I'd NEVER pick up a weapon again, and do my best to HARM NONE. I was sick of war, the killing, the death......the unholy act of war itself. Here I am 40 yrs later, having kept my promise. I am about ready to break that promise. Why?? Because of poor Zim?? of Martin?? Nope. It's because after reading all the hate in all the different boards on this subject has caused me to fear. Should I be worried about riots?? No!! My worry is caused by thoughs who feel Might Makes Right. (OoOOOO, that would make a great bumper sticker)

It seems Florida has seen an increase in population. Several White "Power" hate groups, from around the nation, have moved in to protect thoughs poor white people from the rioting blacks. Are they going to claim self defense, "Stand Your Ground" as they gun down people on the streets for peacefully protesting?

It also seems the right wing nuts out there, who have NEVER seen a day of war, can do nothing but call for hate and violence against anyone who disagrees. (They seem to salivate at the idea they just might get to use their guns.) Just remember, when you fire your shot, don't be all offended when a shot is returned. Be careful what you wish for. What you advocate will not be a picnic at the local shooting club, where targets don't shoot back.

Normally I close with " Much Love", I'll close that way here as well, even though I see VERY LITTLE LOVE, or understanding on these boards.

Curse me if ya like, let the nazi spell checkers go over my typing n tell me I'm stupid..(I did misspell several words for their pleasure. Hehe Bad Dog) >:o):

Much Love All,

Da (ARMED) Pup

>:o):

( I apologize for breaking my oath, but I plan to STAND MY GROUND!!!)

Lunarpup: Thank you for your post; and thanks for serving in Viet Nam for this country. Hero!

Now; pay little heed to that hate mongering you see posted. They are scared and impotent; you and I have lived through this racial strife before in the 1960s; we have had a mad history of success then; so now this is no different. We saw how we did it then -non-violence in the face of White violence; and we won. We have courage -and must do the same now if necessary.

Look; America is undergoing a serious change now, just as in the 1960s, and many Whites do not like it -she is going from being a majority White country to a majority Latin and Hispanic one, Black people are not upset but some White men are, and there are those in the right wing media characterizing this change as a victimization, a threat to White people, and they are reacting by blaming Mexicans, Blacks, etc, and stirring for a fight to stop this natural change. The change is going to happen, but don't let the violence trying to stop it happen. So, do not get a gun. Let them have the guns; it's going to stop no more now, than it did then in the 1960s -change is gonna come. No matter what.

Their violence must not be engaged - same as in the 1960s when the Whites had a hissy fit over the civil rights changes that would force Black people into the mainstream-they were told their way of life was threatened and they got violent about it trying to stop it-the dogs, fire hoses, crosses burning, Blacks shot or hung, etc, anything to rile us up for a fight. We did not fight with violence then, and won. Likewise today -we must not fight with violence now -and we will again win.

So don't be fearful of those White thugs invading your state, itching for trouble -just be as the courageous Black people were in the 1960s; protest non-violently against them; let them do the violence against Black people, we must not do violence against them. And we will, as then, win.

There's no need for you to react to their violence by getting a gun -that's the reaction they want. So they can be justified in a civil war to upset the natural order of things. No. Sir!! Do not let it happen. Do not get a gun -let them have the guns all they want. Won't stop a thing.

Of course, many innocent Blacks will die being in non-violent demonstrations in the face of White violence; but many more will die if we get violent -plus we will lose because our numbers are about 14 Million to their hundred of Million. Those figures are what the racist among the Whites are banking on when they move to florida, threatening you with violence; they want to fight with the numerical advantage. Do not fall for it.

We will win without guns. It is the natural order. Don't be afraid of even death if it comes; be afraid of falling for their violent tricks trying to rile you up into violence. Remember Martin Luther Kings way, Gandhi, and Jesus Christs way -the way of non-violence. That's the way to win. Don't even get your gun.

Stand your ground now, the way you vowed after Viet Nam. And we will win. We are doing good. Hold on and do not give in to guns and violence. It will pass. You have lived through it before.

Hit me back. I'm concerned about you. I want to show you something too.

Lunarpup,

It also seems the right wing nuts out there, who have NEVER seen a day of war, can do nothing but call for hate and violence against anyone who disagrees. (They seem to salivate at the idea they just might get to use their guns.)

LOL...They are excited at the mere prospect, truly GIDDY!

Mrperryrice is correct, there's no need to stoop to their level! Here they hide behind their computer screen's with their fake names and silly "angry face" pictures, etc. and spout off with the hatred they don't have the nerve to show in their "real lives".......It's unfortunate they have their fear stoked daily with the likes of FAUX noise!

America is undergoing a serious change now, just as in the 1960s, and many Whites do not like it

-change is gonna come. No matter what.

That sums things up nicely! When they say they "want their country back", that's what they mean! On here they come across as a HUGE group, but in the real world, they are less "huge", just MORE LOUD! The good news is "they" are generally an old, uneducated bunch, and won't be around too much longer!

The Martins, Jesse and Al, have ALL called for "peaceful" demonstrations, and most people have abided by that request! It's the rwnj's that are stirring up the racial divide, trying to make "blacks" the fall guys! Their plan will fail, I have no doubt!

Hang in there, da (unarmed) pup! We'll show em!

Mrperryrice, the "white judge"....lol....is looking for you over on

Democrat's panel recommends major changes to Florida's Stand Your Ground law

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Jo-An / Lunarpup:

(They seem to salivate at the idea they just might get to use their guns.)

LOL...They are excited at the mere prospect, truly GIDDY!

Yes, that sums it up nicely; and the fear-mongering, race baiting rightist media and their uneducated, ignorant pro-violence gun nutty minions are all mad as hell that all their propaganda and prognostications about Black riots has not come to pass. Sorry gun nutty fellas, but it will stay peaceful; so you won't get to use your guns. Pissed about it I know.

The good news is "they" are generally an old, uneducated bunch, and won't be around too much longer!

On here they come across as a HUGE group, but in the real world, they are less "huge", just MORE LOUD!

There's many more Americans concerned with making something of themselves, than engaging in all this racial strife business. America and Americans are still doing good, -hit an economic hard time for a spell and the doomsayers come out with their tripe. Won't amout to a hill of beans though, because the country will continue to get better and progress full steam ahead, whether the doomsayers and race haters like it or not. If they want to stay backwards and fall even further behind -let them keep focusing on blaming other people instead of bettering themselves.

Thanks Jo for the link to that WhiteJudge person. I'll check him out.

Truth, Peace, Freedom, Equality and Justice for all -and all will prosper.

Race Haters -just stop being scared. You are alright. Nobody is doing anything to you.

Our friend untrust_never verifies is looking for you over on:

After Zimmerman's website raises more than $200,000, prosecution asks judge to raise bond

You canNOT be THAT STUPID Jo-An. We both know MRperryrice has his hand up your backside working your mouth. That he happens to be Black has nothing to do with me calling him your "boy".

In his zeal to prove himself "not a racist" he calls you my "boy"....LOL...all the personal attacks and name calling, while claiming he is above such shenanigans! I told him I'd send you over....he will be hiding now...LOL

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Jo-An:

Ahh- he is back with his self-titled "pissing contest" with the females eh? -while fleeing in fear from the same contest with the males?

That he happens to be Black has nothing to do with me calling him your "boy".

I'll go right over and call him out on his name calling hypocrisy, and challenge him over his race-baiting stats, schemes, tactics and comments he's always posting for a man who is supposedly non-racist.

He's really NOT worth it,

it's just funny the "self indignation"....

He's over there just picking apart "AL" & "Irene"s every little word...same ole same ole!

Jo-An:

Just back from visiting old Trust verify. When I left he still had his tail between his legs, trembling at my name underneath his shadowy bridge. I took it easy on him and he still would not poke his head out.

Obviously he's waiting to leap out on the first woman that passes by since he's scared of the men.

As I explained earlier, it seems the law protects Martin here. Zimmerman states he was armed and was running after Martin at one point. From this point forward, Martin was entitled to use lethal force against Zimmerman under the stand your ground law. If that troubles you, I suggest you contact your Florida representative (if you are from Florida) and ask them to revise the law.

In the military and police they teach you about escalation of force. Not sure how stand your ground works, but Zimmerman could not shoot Martin if Martin did not attack him and make him feel that he was going to die, Martin would not have the right to attack Zimmerman just because Zimmerman was following him.

Investigation needed to be done, if Trayvons only injury occured after he injured Zimmerman, Zimmerman probably still should not have shot him, but Trayvon would have still been the aggressor.

Legal Eagle

From the evidence that has been available to the public, there is nothing clear about this case especially whether or not it was a case of self defense. Zimmerman's word is not proof of anything. He could say anything that he wanted because there is no-one alive that can refute his testimony. No one saw who attacked who, we only have Zimmerman's word that he was attacked. A witness seeing Martin on top is not proof that Martin attacked Zimmerman. Zimmerman sustaining injuries is not proof that Martin attacked Zimmerman. No-one saw Zimmerman turn around and go back to his vehicle, just because he claims he did does not make it true.

I think that it is very convenient for Zimmerman that the only part of the whole altercation that anyone witnessed was a few seconds when Martin was on top of him, which could have been the only time that Martin had the upper hand.

What is wrong with you people, Travon Martin was STANDING HIS GROUND he felt threatened, this kid felt like his life was in danger, so WTF he stood his ground. He swung on a grown ass man that was following him. Once this grown ass man saw that he was getting his behind kicked, he pulls out a gun. Zimmerman, simply put was wrong for following this young man, and now its time to pay the piper and zimmerman's afraid to face the music he wrote!

Sorry Bea, You are very misinformed. Read what UpstateNY-2142934 posted above you. You do not get to assault someone because you think they are following you in public. Trayvon was seconds from his house. Why not just enter instead of fighting?

Have you ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? MORON

Yeah - and the "new" black panthers aren't dirt bags? Putting a bounty on someone is as pathetic as it gets

Hey LegalDummy did Zimmerman allow for Trayvon to be innocent until proven Guilty? NO he was judge jury and executioner. So who is the MORON now MORON.

The moron is the one who continues the hate and doesn't allow a trial by a jury. You already have stamped Zimmerman "guilty" so the hate and ignorance continues.

Hey Been There why you NOT defending the fact the Trayvon was not allowed these same rights? And I never said he was guilty, I said he was a dirt bag. What I find amazing is that you all will defend Zimmermans rights but make no mention of Zimmerman denying Trayvon is rights. There is no hate coming from me. I just wonder like others why Zimmermans rights are defended when he denied the same to Trayvon?

Also did not Zimmerman stamp Trayvon as guilty before he gunned him down?

Do you know where this neighborhood is? Why didn't Trayvon just say something to him and tell him where he was going? Trayvon was suspended from school but he was watching basketball and going to the store for snacks. Not exactly what I would do if it were my kid. He had been caught stealing from lockers at school - that's worse than the pot. I just think it's crazy to wonder about Trayvon's rights now.

And all I said was to stop hating. Wait for the trial.

WOW BT you have all the excuses for Zimmerman. Can you prove the statement about stealing? A police report, a signed school report something of value not just stuff people heard. Watching a game at night, would you have your kid writing his name a thousand times? Crazy to wonder about an American citizen being denied his rights? Crazy to wonder about another crazy using stand your ground to kill just another one? I do not hate Zimmerman, I just don't believe his story. But Facts are Facts and he knows he must stay in hiding because there others who instead on coming on here to voice their objections, they will go hunting for him.

Why didn't Zimmerman identify himself and ask him what he was doing there? How could Martin know that Zimmerman wasn't some lunatic out to harm him? Zimmerman was in the wrong and Martin had no obligation to identify himself to the stranger that was stalking him. If anyone had any initial obligation to explain themselves in this case, it was Zimmerman. He was the one that was following a person that was doing nothing more than walking down the street. When that person tried to get away, he got out of his vehicle and pursued him. When he lost him, he told the dispatcher to have the police call him when they arrived so that he could continue to look for Martin so that he could direct the police to where he was.

He was not caught stealing from lockers at school. He had jewelry and a screwdriver in his backpack, no one knew who the jewelry belonged to. He was suspended for having a baggie with residue of pot in it, not theft.

Why should Zimmerman have any more rights than he gave Martin? He killed Martin, there is no disputing that. If he would have done his so-called "job" which was to observe and report, none of this would have happened. When he decided to get out of his vehicle and pursue Martin, he overstepped his bounds. His words to the dispatcher showed his state of mind. He already had Martin convicted of being the person that was committing the crimes and he was not going to let him get away.

Maybe Martin should have just run right home but I can tell you that if I had someone pursuing me and I had no idea what there intentions were, I would think twice before I would lead them to where I live.

No - not writing his name 1000 times but no TV, Video games, he should have had work to make up for school. Does anyone know what this neighborhood was like? and why did the media put up only pictures of Trayvon when he was 13 and not 17? Too much too weird, I just think we should wait or do we need another "Casey Anthony" court in Florida

BT may point here is that everyone is defending Zimmermans right when he did not allow for the same with Trayvon. He approached Trayvon. He was the aggressor. Stand your ground should not apply since he went LOOKING for Trayvon. This whole thing could have been avoided if he would have just stayed in his vehicle. He caused this.

Don't give me this he has right to question Trayvon. Trayvon had a right to tell him F&*( off. Hell if you look around today, with so many people wearing tattoos, they look suspicious to me. Should I be chasing them down to identify themselves?

Zimmerman violated his own community rules about caring a gun while on neighborhood watch. That is a fact. Since he cannot follow his own groups rules, why should anyone believe anything he has to say?

It's very very simple, Mr. Zimmerman was attack by lil skittles. When it's self defense you are judge and jury, no trial nessary.

All I'm saying is wait for the trial before creating a lynch mob. Let the truth come out.

It is only self defense when someone comes after you. By his own statements he went after Trayvon. There is no self defense there. He was the aggressor plain and simple. Stand your ground does not give you the right to question anyone you deem suspicious.

I am sure he will be found guilty of 2nd degree murder because he was the aggressor.

The back of his bloody head would disagree with your believe. Nice try though. Keep bending the facts, let me know how that works out for you. LOL

Hey Legal I will be looking for you when he is found guilty. Too bad he will not last long in prison if he even makes it that far.

From what I could decipher from your poorly written comeback you are condoning violence on someone's family for simply stating their opinion?

You sir are the dumba$$

Why? Why would you wish death on someone. Trayvon's parents don't feel that way. Why do you?

a Chance encounter...with paparazzi...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxDlC7YV5is

Titan- they still make people like you? woooooowwww

Barbara, why do you intend to hide the facts. I am no different than you. Except I choose to see reality and you choose to wish for utopia. Explain to me why the black race across the world has not advanced. Come on...please show me where. You can not so you choose to be smug and say something like wow they still make people like me.....come on please show me where.

Did not think you would respond because you can not.....

i will respond titan Blacks across the world have advanced im not sure what black your referring to but at one point blacks were treated worst then dogs so i think you sound real foolish with your comment not to mention you should research what black inventors have created very important discoveries
air conditioning unit Frederick M. Jones July 12, 1949
automatic gear shift Richard Spikes February 28, 1932
blood plasma bag Charles Drew Approx. 1945
wait for it wait for it
cellular phone Henry T. Sampson July 6, 1971
clothes dryer G. T. Sampson June 6, 1862
should i keep going and yes these are all black people
elevator Alexander Miles October 11, 1867
electric lampbulb Lewis Latimer March 21, 1882
fire extinguisher T. Marshall October 26, 1872
guitar Robert F. Flemming, Jr. March 3, 1886
refrigerator J. Standard June 14, 1891

im not going to entertain you any more im done

T. Martin was standing his ground, not zimmerman. Martin, minding his own business, walking home from the store, not bothering anyone. Along comes zimmerman with his misplaced authority, he begins following the young fellow, (whom I'm sure is pretty scared right now), so the young fellow decides to stand his ground; instead of running (which I'm sure zimmerman would have chased or even attempted to shoot Martin in the back) he turns on his unknown stalker, and a fist fight begins. Realizing that he(zimmerman) is losing the fist fight, zimmerman shoots his 9mm hand gun and fatally wounds this young fellow, Travon Martin, 17 years old, no criminal record, a good kid. Clearly, zimmerman is the aggressor here, and should face every aspect of his crime; murder, from arraignment to sentencing.

This is not a small 17 yr old with no history of doing things illegal? Stealing and pot? over 6' tall and a football player. Clearly Zimmerman's taking the advice of his attorney and has the right to waive arraignment and just give the court his plea. And there is nothing "Clearly" about any of this?

Martin's size, height or anything else has nothing to do with zimmerman's guilt. Obviously, zimmerman wasn't threatened by Martin the night he fatally wounded him. And by the way, zimmerman has the criminal background, arrests and all, not Martin. Clearly, zimmerman is a coward and prefers to do his dirty deeds at night.

I guess we'll find out at the trial.

And you are exactly what is wrong with the world.

lulu98, why do you intend to hide the facts. I am no different than you. Except I choose to see reality and you choose to wish for utopia. Explain to me why the black race across the world has not advanced. Come on...please show me where. You can not so you choose to be smug and say something like wow they still make people like me.....come on please show me where.

Did not think you would respond because you can not.....

Except you're forgetting the fact that Zimmerman (yes I used his real name here not the pathetic nickname you gave him) was on his way BACK to his car when Martin attacked him from behind. All eye witness accounts have been that Marin was on top of Zimmerman attacking him. And for the LAST time a police dispatcher has no authority WHATSOEVER to order someone to do something. It would be like me telling you to stop writing ignorant comments.

If Martin was tired/scared of being followed, which I use loosely because Zimmerman just walked up to him and ask him what are you doing here and then Martin ran, which looked suspicious to Zimmerman, as it would anyone, then why did he attack Zimmermanas as he was returning to his car and not call the police? Why didn't he run home? He was very close to his house.

And why did his PARENTS not even report him missing until days later?

People like you are why blacks get stereotyped. It's sad but true.

Let's have some logic,

Try using some "logic", there is NO way GZ was heading back to his car, and was "attacked" by Trayvon. none of the times line up.

Blaming the victim is typical...you have no evidence supporting GZ's claim, so it must be the parents "fault"....

RIDICULOUS!

Let's have some logic, you have none. Zimmerman never identified himself or asked Martin what he was doing there. He was following in his vehicle and when Martin did not recognize the person that was following him, he ran and Zimmerman got out of his vehicle and pursued him. As for eyewitness accounts, they prove nothing about who attacked who. All they prove is that at some point Martin got the better of Zimmerman. Nice try twisting the evidence though.

There is no proof that Zimmerman was on his way back to his vehicle, as a matter of fact if you use logic, it is more logical that he decided to continue to look for Martin as opposed to going back to his vehicle. Why would he need the police to call him when they arrive so that he could direct them to where he was if he was on his way back to his vehicle?

Jo-An, you are such a smug jerk, try reading up on the facts first before u make dumb ass comments

joe-2849984

Jo-An, you are such a smug jerk, try reading up on the facts first before u make dumb ass comments

My, my, my...untwist your panties, and read up on the facts for yourself Joe, I HAVE!

Instead of calling me names, try showing me some "evidence" to support your points...

Jo-An, I listened to the 911 tape, the entire version, not the one MSNBC played 24/7. GZ states to the 911 operator that he had lost sight of Treyvon and was telling the 911 operator where an officer could meet him. What happened after that , no one knows for sure.

joe-2849984

Jo-An, I listened to the 911 tape, the entire version, not the one MSNBC played 24/7. GZ states to the 911 operator that he had lost sight of Treyvon and was telling the 911 operator where an officer could meet him. What happened after that , no one knows for sure.

And this proves what?

Jo-an, ...seems like you are the one ignoring the evidence, as to who started the fight, coroner's report said, "other than the bullit hole in the chest there were no signs of any other injuries to Trayvon Martin. On the other hand, the EMTs documented treating a bloody, possible broken nose and head lacerations on George Zimmerman.....

So was it self defence by Florida law, I do not know, but the evidence of who initiated the physical confrontation seems to be on Zimmerman's side. All I do know for certain is both of these individuals made some very poor decisions that led to this tragedy.......If Zimmerman had left the gun at home or Trayvon had just kept on walking, all would be fine and dandy today.....sad, very sad.

Ah, but that's where you're wrong joe...there are many people who know exactly what happened and they won't hesitate to straighten the 'facts' out for you.

Martin was so innocent that MSM felt the need to post an old pic of Martin. Show him as little kid. To ensure their efforts, they post a pic of Zimmerman in jailhouse orange...because he's so guilty!

Thus ensuring that opinions are formed well before the facts are released. We never should let facts get in the way of emotion!

Ellis Baumgarner

Jo-an, ...seems like you are the one ignoring the evidence, as to who started the fight, coroner's report said, "other than the bullit hole in the chest there were no signs of any other injuries to Trayvon Martin.

First, we don't have any coroner reports, it was the funeral home that made the comment.

Second, if Trayvon was "pounding" someone's head into the concrete, he would be expected to have injuries on his hands! Come on, surly "Ducky" from NCIS would concur!

So, you have just given MORE evidence to the theory that Trayvon "started nothing" and was NOT pounding GZ's head into concrete! Oh, and the witnesses have all said, they were on GRASS, nowhere near the sidewalk!

@jo ann---if i grab someone by the head and slam it into the concrete,exactly what injuries would i have?

greg smith1 :

@jo ann---if i grab someone by the head and slam it into the concrete,exactly what injuries would i have?

I can answer that for you if you show me a witness that saw them fighting near the sidewalk -all witnesses say the fight was in the grass, and they only saw punches thrown, no headbanging on the ground at all. -Therefore your whole question is moot.

George has bigger problems -namely, he needs some evidence his head was near a sidewalk. All of it so far shows he got his scrapes some other way -a can of tea upside his head perhaps? That would explain the little scrapes he's got, the type that don't even need immediate X-rays.

In a fight, my head was slamed on a tile floor in school -I woke up in the nurse's office, waiting for the ambulance, head busted open, blood gushing out of a deep long wound, a knot the size of an egg on my head, I needed about 4 or 5 stitches; I was groggy, disoriented and dizzy for a couple hours, even after the X-rays. And that was just from a floor, at the hands of another kid. Nobody as big as Trayvon.

Now George's lie, his head got slammed by a 6 foot thugged out football playing athlete, on a damn concrete sidewalk??? Several times? Plus witnesses can't even place him near the sidewalk. And all he's got is 2 lacerations which he didn't even need an ambulance for? No X-rays? No loss of consciousness? No big lumps? No disorientation in his walk or manner afterwards? Naw -he got his scrapes some other way -that sidewalk headbanging stuff don't fit the witnesses nor any other facts. He needs more than a few scraps dripping blood to sell his side of the story. He'd better get a witness placing him on that sidewalk -else he's toast.

You wishful thinkers don't know how to read the evidence. Won't help George though. Wish on.

Why is everyone forgetting that GZ's Dad and Brother both said that GZ told them that while he was trying to shift himself (with TM on top of him) off the sidewalk his weapon was exposed and TM was trying to take it? IF this is what GZ has told the investigators and if there is no evidence to the contrary (as was testified to by the lead investigator) then it's self defense cut and dry and who started the fight, who followed who, all of that is completely irrelevant.

GZ's attorney's (the first two) said GZ hadn't seen OR talked to his brother in the last 3 years! GZ was fighting with Trayvon is the grassy area, not the sidewalk! GZ's father has said Trayvon was on top, covering GZ's mouth with his hand, while pounding his head into concrete, almost rendering him unconscious, YET GZ managed to reach into his holster pull out his gun and shoot Trayvon in the chest! How did Trayvon end up face down in the grass with his hands under him?

GZ, it seems, has told plenty of "versions" of his story!

Ahh, that's the great thing about our legal system. The accused has to prove NOTHING. The prosecutor must prove how any of that equates to 2nd degree murder beyond any and all reasonable doubt. If she succeeds at this then GZ must try to prove his innocence.

Grassy area - There has been no witness account that describes the entire fight. It may very well have started on the sidewalk and moved to the grass. How else does GZ get those cuts on his head?

Pulled his gun - If you've had any experience with carrying a concealed handgun then you would know that it is not all that complicated to remove one from it's holster, point it at a very large target that is at point blank range and pull the trigger.

Face down - If he was straddling Zim facing him and leaning over him then doesnt it stand to reason that when shot he would fall forward? Zim slides out from under him and he is left there facing down. I dont see how this proves anything.

Zims story - Unfortuntely none of us have heard his story first hand. We've heard it relayed second hand through his family and even relayed 3rd hand from Tracy Martin. Ever played the game telephone? Rarely is the final message the same as the first.

And still, the fact remains.. IF the prosecutor cannot prove that TM did not try to dis-arm GZ then it is a justified shooting. Period.

AndyAW:

The accused has to prove NOTHING.

That's probably the biggest incorrect cliche in the whole legal system. Well I hope Zimmerman's attorney agrees with you and spends his time proving nothing.

If she succeeds at this then GZ must try to prove his innocence.

Ahh, so after all we agree that the accused must indeed prove something? Good.

There has been no witness account that describes the entire fight.

Then George has no witness that his head was getting banged into the sidewalk? Strike against George.

It may very well have started on the sidewalk and moved to the grass.

Where it started doesn't matter -that they were in the grass when George shot him does. Because it discredits George's first lie that he shot because his head was being banged onto the concrete. That fact can't be glossed over in court. George has no credibility after that. Why would anybody believe what he has to say about the shooting after that?

How else does GZ get those cuts on his head?

We all know Trayvon had a can of iced tea in his hand -so why wouldn't he crack George in the head with it if they began to fight? It's not even logical to think that he didn't. George wasn't hurt enough to have his head slammed into the concrete -the cuts are more consistent with getting hit in the head with a can of iced tea.

...it is not all that complicated to remove one from it's holster, point it at a very large target that is at point blank range and pull the trigger.

I do not know how that comment helps Zimmie? It fits right into what the prosecution will say.

If he was straddling Zim facing him and leaning over him then doesnt it stand to reason that when shot he would fall forward?

I agree.

Zim slides out from under him and he is left there facing down. I dont see how this proves anything.

I don't see how it proves anything either.

Unfortuntely none of us have heard his story first hand. We've heard it relayed second hand through his family

There's a problem, because George is "tethered" to the stories his family told -now they are witnesses that George said it, and they are surely on the prosecutions witness list. George is stuck with their first headbanging sidewalk story and then the second one, the going for the gun stuff -too bad because they were not near the sidewalk either way.

IF the prosecutor cannot prove that TM did not try to dis-arm GZ then it is a justified shooting. Period.

The prosecution will put on witnesses who did not see any of that -so whose word do they take that it actually happened, discredited George's the accused murderer? -who they'll prove is a liar about the headbanging sidewalk stuff? George's credibility problem is going to get him convicted -because he cannot be believed. They'll even believe that girl on the phone over George and believe he even lied about that.

George is stupid -why, he even got on the stand at the bail hearing lied under oath that he didn't know how old Trayvon was, that he thought the guy was a little bit younger than him. Stupid lie -because he didn't say that to the dispatcher on tape when he correctly described Trayvon as a "kid" in his "late teens." Whose going to believe George's story about the shooting? When the prosecution finish unravelling George's lies the jury most certainly won't give him the benefit of any doubts. He's a liar and doesn't deserve it. He's going to jail for murder if don't cop out to manslaughter. Because he has no credibility.

It's what he was doing before he says "OK (he will stop following)" that is the problem. If he was running after Martin while armed (and he was panting), then Martin had the legal right to attack. This is what the jury will have to decide.

Exactly. When this first happened, I could not understand why an arrest was not made because I thought it over the edge. I do not like these Stand your ground laws because I think they lead to more trouble.

But as the real information came out, the real tapes, the knowledge that the media was manipulating and editing, the knowledge that the dispatcher asked about ethnicity but that was edited in the media it became there is more to learn about what really happened. Let the system work as best it can. It is not perfect but what is the alternative?

Seven2steve:

And you know what he bought how, even the police say he went for ice tea and skittles. Get back on your meds.

Anyone who has read Zimmerman's facebook could guess this was a man aching to play "cop". He just did not expect any resistance.

UoC Student...

I'm sorry, but I beg to differ. Once Zimmerman turned his back, ceased following and was returning to his vehicle, the dynamics of the encounter immediately reversed. Zimmerman was no longer a threat and if Martin approached from Zimmermans rear, HE was then the aggressor in the incident.

It was a very sad encounter for everyone. One young man died and another has had his life turned into a living hell. In truth, BOTH were right AND wrong. Zimmerman should have stayed in his vehicle, and Martin should have called 911 and continued the 70 feet to his house.

This is sensible. However, had Martin been armed, what he should have done was fired when Zimmerman was pursuing. It's what any reasonable person would have done.

If Martin was indeed running from Zimmerman because he was scared for his safety, why then did Martin then attack Zimmerman instead of, oh I don't know, running home? Or calling 911 on his CELL PHONE.

I don't buy Martin was scared. He was trying to be a big shot and get back at someone who was asking him questions about what he was doing.

why then did Martin then attack Zimmerman

Trayvon NEVER attacked GZ...

Steve

The tapes do not prove that he turned around and walked back to his vehicle. As a matter of fact why would he need to have the police call him when they arrive so that he could direct them to where he was if he was on his way back to his vehicle to meet them?

NEVER , huh

joe-2849984

NEVER , huh

Prove he did! You can NO more "prove" Trayvon attacked GZ, than I can "prove" GZ attacked Trayvon.

Forensics and witness accounts will be key to a conviction!

And Jo an, you will still be bitching if Zimmerman is freed, after all the evidence is in. Your only concern is that Trayvon was black.

Dasvet,

Just a ridiculous comment!

Ridiculously straight to the real problem you have.

Dasvet,
I've said nothing to suggest, Teayvons race, makes GZ guilty! You saying SO, doesn't make it SO!

Trayvon, sorry, my cable gave me some trouble there!

Jo-An,

In your eyes Zimmerman is already guilty. You have heard or seen no evidence except what the Media has told you. I don't know if he's guilty or not. I wasn't there, however, before I blame anything on anyone, I want to see actual evidence, not the crap the media cuts and splices together for ratings. Remember the Lacrosse players case? Everyone took one side, until the truth came out.

I do think it is very odd that the media used very old pictures of Martin, making him look like a little boy, than the updated pictures of a 17 year old 6 foot tall young man. Just sayin'.

NavyRetired2003: Look, you cannot blame the media for those pictures, especially since you got this non-issue from the right wing media yourself? -as part of their political attack on Trayvon because they immediately sided with Ole Zimmie, soon as they heard the kid was Black. It's a NON ISSUE -much ado about nothing. It won't help Zimmie.

And you bring what you got from the right wing media politicizing onto this comment board? So don't blame the media if you are it's slave. And besides, the media used the pictures they were provided -and they honestly told the kid's age all along -17, so what is the problem? You all knew he was 17 from the very first day.

I do think it is very odd that the media used very old pictures of Martin, making him look like a little boy, than the updated pictures of a 17 year old 6 foot tall young man. Just sayin'.

Plus, there's nothing odd about any parent using the nice school pictures they have of their child in the house -nothing odd about any parent of teens not having updated ones. They'd naturally use what they have around the house. This picture foolishness is nothing but right wing politicizing of a criminal's trial.

The pictures don't even matter to this trial -I'll tell you what's odd and does matter to this trial:

How can anyone shoot a victim that has been screaming for help for over a minute -and claim self defense? Isn't that odd? It's also odd that you would find the picture foolishness more worthy of your attention than this real oddity and others in the case. And my God, why would you even use that Oriole bird? -I'm from Baltimore and our town is ashamed of those perennial bums.

Opinions are formed when viewing a picture of a smiling child and a person in jailhouse orange. Innocent/Guilty. First impression. Reading the articles...secondary. Editing a 911 tape is leading. Fueling a frenzy...emotions running on high. Innocent child gunned down...criminal with violent past found guilty by the public.

The media has reported several different versions of who was screaming for help. Martin/Zimmerman. Martin's mother says it was her son...Zimmerman's father says it was his son. A witness has said it was the guy in the red jacket. The prosecutors have chosen to include in their affidavit that Martin's mother says it was her son. With so many conflicting versions...how can anyone (unless they were there) claim either?

You may think that I'm defending 'Zimmie' as you refer to Zimmerman...I'm not. I've been around long enough to know that MSM does not have all of the facts...neither the right wing or left wing. FACTS. If the facts show that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense, then yes...he should go to prison. If the facts show that he was acting within the SYG statute, then he should go home.

cms5:

Damn -I'm impressed, nice comment; not too lopsided at all.

Perhaps you can teach the oriole fan above to do the same -it was his lopsided comments I was responding to where he focused on the pictures as though they were the oddest thing in the case, when Zimmerman's actions were clearly the oddest in this case.

A few points about your post.

Opinions are formed when viewing a picture of a smiling child and a person in jailhouse orange.

Yes, but it's not the media's fault -they posted the pictures made available to them. And as new pictures came in, those too were broadcast. Blaming the media is nothing but politics.

First impression. Reading the articles...secondary

Upon hearing this story the pictures became even less than secondary -the most important issues became the kid being profiled, followed and shot while unarmed and minding his own business, by a cursing, name-calling neighboorhood watch captain complaining how these "as$holes always get away", and that the Police Department and the Prosecutor's Office appeared corrupted and sleazy, by over ruling the lead detective who thought Zimmie should have been charged with manslaughter in the case that night.

The pictures took a backseat too all this stuff which did fuel the people as soon as anyone heard the story; race, corruption and everything else immediately erupted to the forefront -the pictures were no cause of any of this.

The edited tape fueled only the race baiters on the right looking for anybody and anything other than Zimmerman himself to blame.

This thing happened because of issues -not pictures.

Aside from that, I agree with your whole post, especially the ending:

If the facts show that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense, then yes...he should go to prison. If the facts show that he was acting within the SYG statute, then he should go home.

Amen.

@Mrperryrice

Thank you. I appreciate your comment...it's nice when someone actually reads a comment and responds with intelligence and thought.

It is a tragedy that Martin lost his life. At 17, he had much, much more living to do. I am also bothered by those condemning a man before all of the facts have been released. If the situation were reversed and it was Martin that shot Zimmerman...I would feel the same way.

I live in a state that only recognizes the Castle Doctrine...I must have a fear for my life in my own home before lethal force can be used. Florida's SYG statute does not require retreat.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/27/2717572/miami-dade-issues-ruling-in-stand.html

This is an SYG case in Miami. A man witnessed another man stealing his car radio. He chased that man and cornered him. The man who stole his radio swung a bag filled with radios at him and that's when he feared for his life and stabbed him to death. He left the scene with the bag of radios. The judge allowed the SYG defense...he had a right to go after his property.

Where is the line drawn? I'm thankful I don't live in Florida and no longer have any desire to visit.

My opinion was formed from where I live and it's laws. Since Zimmerman comes from where I live. He knows just like I do he kills someone he's going to jail period. The way he did it down there would put him in jail even longer here. Is why he never killed one of his imaginary thug mexicans. Here its hard for you even to get away with killing someone in your home robbing you. When I heard the story first thing I thought why isn't he in jail. The same type of cases have happened here so its not unusual here. Only thing unusual is he isn't in jail for murder.

cms5: Thanks for the link.

Garcia "was well within his rights to pursue the victim and demand the return of his property . . . the defendant had no duty to retreat and could lawfully pursue a fleeing felon who has stolen his property."

I don't like that ruling, but at least the victim in that case was an actual felon seen committing a felony and had run away with the man's stolen radio before the chase and subsequent killing took place.

Had George seen Trayvon stealing, and chased him to get the property back -things would be entirely different. It's harder because this kid was not doing anything criminal when Zimmerman spotted him, called the police on him, chased him and wound up having to claim SYG self defense during the subsequent fight where it appears the victim was the terrorfied one screaming for help.

Yes, it's a tragedy that Trayvon got killed by someone who'd wrongfully pre-judged him an as$hole burglar, and killed him while he was screaming for help.

Well, George will have his fair trial in court, I trust enough evidence will be there to tell if he's guilty or not.

Meanwhile, the dead Trayvon has not been convicted of a single thing Zimmerman alleges -so he does not deserve to be convicted without a trial of all the stuff Zimmerman claims he did. Yet people on here have Trayvon guilty of looking and acting suspicious, or high, or being up to no good, approaching Zimmie with his hand in his waistband, attacking Zimmie, etc -none of that is fact, only Zimmie the accused murderer's claim.

If we cannot convict Zimmie before the trial, we cannot convict Trayvon of George's accusations either. I for one, can hardly wait for the results of this trial.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/27/2717572/miami-dade-issues-ruling-in-stand.html#storylink=cpy

rliberto:

George's Community is not protecting him now. The Home owner's association is not either.

On the contrary. I think he will live free and prosperous in a community that will protect him.

Wishful thinking. Trayvon was a lawful guest of that community -minding his own business. Had George been protecting the community he would have protected and not killed Trayvon. How would you like your guests and visitors attacked by the neighborhood watch? Absurd!!!

Truth is, he failed to protect the community, they know it even if you do not, and that is why the community is providing state evidence against 'Ole Zimmie. None of them are protecting him now.

Zimmerman fans just create things to believe in -contrary to all the evidence right before your very eyes. But go on -wishfully think because you must, since the evidence is not on your side.

rliberto:

Just like he was doing to protect people in Florida when he was attacked by 'Thug Life' Martin.

Wow! George finally has a witness to Trayvon attacking him. Thank God you'll testify to this for him -nobody else has.

But they will never be a part of mainstream American society.

Too late!!! They're already in mainstream American Society!!!! -that's why George murdered him, -because he didn't like him there.

He wont because its a black child. Only one's that will keep that in their minds are blacks.

@Mrperryrice

Wow! George finally has a witness to Trayvon attacking him. Thank God you'll testify to this for him -nobody else has.

George doesn't need a witness to Trayvon attacking him. There is NO evidence that he didn't. And since the burden is entirely on the prosecution to prove Trayvon didn't attack George, they have a mountain to climb for a conviction.

AndyAW:

George doesn't need a witness to Trayvon attacking him.

At least you seem to recognize there's no evidence Trayvon did -which does not help Zimmie.

There is NO evidence that he didn't.

For a murder 2 conviction the State does not need evidence of who attacked who before the killing took place- all they need is evidence of what was happening when George pulled the trigger.

The State has evidence that someone other than George was screaming a whole minute for people to come help before, and at the moment George killed him -since there were only 2 human beings out there fighting, a reasonable person would believe it was Trayvon beyond a reasonable doubt.

-Evidence is George shot and killed someone who had been screaming in terror for help for a whole minute, indicating the screaming person feared for his life, and wanted to withdraw from the conflict but George would not let him -instead George shot him. That's easily murder 2. And the evidence so far proves it. The state needs no evidence proving George started it -all they need is what they have, evidence that George shot a person screaming for help.

So George does need some evidence to counter the State's case, if not he's toast.

For a murder 2 conviction the State does not need evidence of who attacked who before the killing took place- all they need is evidence of what was happening when George pulled the trigger.

Ok, I will concede that what happened during the fight is also relevant. i.e. If TM attacked then tried to run away and Zim shot then it's murder. The evidence doesnt point to that. He was shot in the chest at point blank range. My point is that the prosecution has no evidence that TM wasnt the agressor in the fight.

The State has evidence that someone other than George was screaming a whole minute for people to come help before, and at the moment George killed him -since there were only 2 human beings out there fighting, a reasonable person would believe it was Trayvon beyond a reasonable doubt.

What evidence does the state have that the voice is Trayvon's? A couple news organzations hired analysts who concluded it wasnt likely to be GZ's voice but I have seen no evidence from the state except TM's mother stating it was. So what? GZ's family swear it is his voice.

What evidence does the state have that the voice is Trayvon's? A couple news organzations hired analysts who concluded it wasnt likely to be GZ's voice but I have seen no evidence from the state except TM's mother stating it was. So what? GZ's family swear it is his voice.

A jury will use their common sense and realize it is NOT GZ crying for help, and convict!

"Depraved"....

AndyAW:

What evidence does the state have that the voice is Trayvon's?

Well, since there were only 2 human beings out there fighting, and it wasn't George's voice how is anyone to conclude it was not Trayvon's? Nothing else makes any sense.

There's no doubt in my mind that the State had the voices analyzed and will reveal their findings at the Discovery hearing -I'm sure they will be able to prove the voice is not George's, and may even be able to prove the voice is a match to Trayvon's. I can't wait to see what they have that we don't know about yet.

My point is that the prosecution has no evidence that TM wasnt the agressor in the fight.

I think they do.

I think the screaming terrorized voice begging for help is the evidence prooving beyond a reasonable doubt that Trayvon for a full minute before the shooting took place was not the aggressor and was seeking help during that time to withdraw from the fight -but somehow was being prevented from doing so. My guess is that he was being held onto (which would explain the screaming for help), and the fact that he was seen on top in his tee shirt with his hoodie pulled off is enough to conclude that George was pulling on his clothes and holding onto him so that he could shoot him close range and appear to be the victim. That is the only narrative that makes sense to me by looking at all the evidence we know so far.

Evidence is that Trayvon was screaming and fighting to get away (he certainly was not calling for people to help him kill George)-but Gerorge was holding onto him, and not letting him get away. And another piece of evidence leads to this conclusion -Georges' prior complaining that "these as$holes always get away"; this indicates even before it happened George was in no mind to let him get away -and according to Trayvon's screaming and the outcome -bang! George was just determined that Trayvon wouldn't get away.

And Trayvon having whipped George's as$ before the screaming and shooting -only provides the prosecution with an additional motive: George shot Trayvon for having won the fight, not because he had too. That fits all the known facts. I think a jury will see it that way and convict if George goes to trial trying to explain that his life was the one in danger during the time the victim did all that sreaming for people to come help. That is a mountain to climb for George.

Thank you I was beginning to think I was the only one that recognized this. Shameful

Daniel Adkins murdered on April 3rd...holding a dog leash. the shooter said it was a bat or a metal pipe. ....

what do you expect from these corporately controlled media's...the politicians are selling this country out one job at a time...the reporter's only do their job the way they can keep one...

that was some fine troll'n rliberto...LOL...