Fakk it - I'm persecuted daily for my beliefs against paying back loans. Wish all those creditors would get off my back and respect my rights to my beliefs

guess this is what some people do when they don't have a job in this economy.

lets hope the infiltrator wasn't a black guy.

I think these folks are going to walk on all charges. Being racist is not a crime, and judging from the articles on these folks, the prosecution has nothing on them except that they don't like their attitudes. I think people should pay close attention to this case. I honestly believe government has really been over-stepping their bounds lately, and in some other cases, have broken the law themselves. I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I support everyone's right to be or not be whatever they want.

I'm an hispanic liberal and even I think these guys are being harrassed. What proof was given that these people were going to start or engage in a 'race war'? Living a secluded life and training with weapons does not make anyone a criminal. Talking about criminal acts does not make anyone a criminal. No proof of a crime was mentioned. These guys should be released back to their camp.

Guys they are not going to walk. They are being prosecuted because they PLANNED to incite violence. They were actively training using explosives and different types of guns including assault rifles. Forming a militia is one thing, actively planning mayhem is another altogether.

if these people were middle eastern, public opinion would burn them at the stake. weapons training with plans for an "event". i think it's the governments way of breaking their patterns and giving them fair warning. lesson learned from ruby ridge and waco

It's not the beliefs that are the issue. Racism is a legitimate human belief system. It's a stupid one, but legitimate. However, acting on that belief to harm others is definitely NOT okay UNDER THE LAW. These fools did something or they would not have been picked up. Let the justice system work for them too. By the way, it's also a legitimate human to belief to think we are all one tribe in the end, beautiful in it's diversity and courage. Let the profanely stupid live with the results of their unfortunately informed acts.

Last time I checked people wanted the government to act BEFORE violence occurred. Columbine happened when I was in high school, and since then I have seen lots of stories of internet comments being blown out of proportion as a possibility to violence against school staff or students but fellow students. However the harassment of the accused and their family almost always takes side stage and people wanted a thorough investigation to ensure their children are safe.

If there was a possibility or a suspicion based off of evidence that they could be planning for future attacks, it has to be acted upon. If these were femi-nazis or muslims would people be complaining as much? If they are just guilty of being narrows minded buffons then they will likely walk, if there is evidence to suggest they were going to harm people they'll be punished.

If they did something at a later time, people will then be asking "Why didn't the government do anything?"

Maybe the government knows something about these people that we don't.

Well these are not enemies of the state, so whatever the state knows, SPILL IT! Show us the evidence if any! Knowing something we don't is an excuse to prosecute cases that don't exist, been an excuse long before 9-11, Columbine, and the the Oklahoma City bombing, and the like. Arrogant feds will make up anything to make cases where none exist. Whether these people are a legit case or not, the actions of the state should be made public in this case, who's the infiltrator for example, by the laws of the COTUS, his or her testimony is legally mandated in the presense of the accused. National Security Letters = Gestapo Kidnappings Murders. Patriot Act/More Than Doubling The size of the fed govt and the attacks used to justify it all are no different than the Reichstag Fire used by Hitler to justify setting events into motion for his mass murders and genocides. Legit case or not, really dangerous or not, these people and the public have a right to hear the evidence in their presense, her prosecutorial witness testimony in their presense, and have evidence in their favor and witness testimony on their behalf.

You mean semi-automatic civilian legal replicas of military "assault rifles"?

And you are what? Scum Democrat?

Man, we're all Democrats here.

Now there's an interesting point...how do you determine their "intent"? If we discussed the "possibility" of attacking some group does that mean we are actually planning to do so. Even if we draw up plans and run a sand table exercise, does that mean we are really going to do it? There's a very gray line here that should not be crossed but we all too often are willing to let government cross that line when we disagree with those on the other end.

As for their actions...paramilitary training...hmmm...ever meet any serious paintball players? They probably do more paramilitary training than most radical groups in this country. The only difference is they carry out their training using paint instead of ammunition.

Well, that's what trials and juries are for. If the police can't show intent, then they will likely be found not guilty. I doubt they were arrested for playing paintball, though the guy pictured here may be convicted for that God awful neck tattoo.

Astro,

While I agree the neck tat is awful, the last time I checked, bad taste is not a criminal offense.

It would be if I was in charge.

George Zimmerman's being persecuted prosecuted too.

Fixed it.

If Christ loves ALL the little children, then please explain why he murdered the first born male child in Egypt to punish someone else. Then explain why he sent two she-bears to maul dozens of children to death because a few of them teased a bald man. Then explain why he doesn't help the children in starving countries from dying. You can talk about love all you want, but love without action is nothing more than words.

As for the racism Christ once refused to help a woman's demon-possessed daughter because she wasn't one of The Chosen until she debased herself before him. Don't you think that's racist?

I see your a christian-phob, I don't see you explaining what the other religions do like stoning women, public hangings, or cutting off body parts to show their will over the people. And just to let you know these items I listed are still going on from the religion.

You are not much of a diplomat or a person who should look at things from both sides but love the colored glasses you wear to only see and explain to others why they don't think as you.

Quote: "The greatest corrupter of man is his ego, to deter him from this is to have him look in the mirror."

You might want to look at a mirror and see what is in the reflection, bad thing is you probably won't because you won't like what you see.

Monkeybones you do know that other religion gets its teachings from the old testament.

Hey ya Idiots, That was humans doing that NOT God.... My God get a brain in your head. Oh, it's way to late, your already a living mental midget. Go join these people in the special cage they are keeping them in during court and in jail.

Let me give ya a clue to remember: GOD is NOT a Christian! He's far ALL beings.

Next: CHRIST hates religion! Yet all these dummies run to religion! Religion and politic's are as the same. They both will get you killed, brain wash you and care less about you as long as you pay them both! The only thing in this country that doesn't have to pay any taxes is the church. ( religion ).......

So when ya get a brain and realize the difference between God and man, is man will kill ya in a second! Gods not about war, killing, hate, discontent.... That is if there is really a god!

NO ONE has ever seen him, yet most believe in him! God, if there is one has really messed things up. If a WOMAN were God it wouldn't be so messed up.

There is more proof and evidence of space aleins, yet no one believes they exsist! No on has ever seen nor is there evidence of a God yet most believe there is one.????????????

Just some food for thought!

Hey ya Idiots, That was humans doing that NOT God.... My God get a brain in your head. Oh, it's way to late, your already a living mental midget. Go join these people in the special cage they are keeping them in during court and in jail.

I'm sure your god is real proud of you ... you can't even attempt to make a point without resorting to name calling. You're a great example of your religion.

Just food for thought.

Oh, I forgot. RACISM is a sin! Moses was the first known to be married Interracially! Moses sister was so against it that she gave Moses Hell about it for a long time! GOd warned her not to do it but she was chastised by God for it!

Now go read your Bible in the Old Testament before you make a fool of yourself. So all your beliefs are a man made brain wash beliefs.......

Now if Whites and Blacks and Asians or Arabs weren't suppose to get along, then you couldn't do Organ Transplant, Blood Transfusions, Make Babies together, live in like houses and furniture. drive the same cars on and on. So we were all made to get along with out looking at race and prejudices!!! That's all mans sick thinking! Christians are some of the worse there is! They even had the Crusaders that went around killing, raping and maming other cultures in the name of their Christian God. Look how long this country outlawed Interracial marriages because of GOD it wasn't until the 1960's that is was finally legal.

Ya'll got your heads up your a****..........

Beth:

I call it as it is! I, can't stand PC. That's a bunch of crap in it's self... Everyone trying to be political correct........ A Spad is a Spad!

But Mr Wilkins, what is a Spad?

I call it as it is! I, can't stand PC. That's a bunch of crap in it's self... Everyone trying to be political correct........ A Spad is a Spad!

So that's your excuse for name calling and thinly veiled profanity?

But I do admit, I don't get the reference to nails.

Handmaiden -- it's a nail, didn't you know? LOL Can't figure out what nails have to do with the conversation though.

You got that right Wayne!

Wayne Wilkins is the primary reason why people do NOT believe in God anymore. sigh

Wayne Wilkins is the primary reason why people do NOT believe in God anymore

Not true. Religion itself is the cause of its own downfall.

Your response is proof positive that certain people can be led to believe whatever they are told, even if it isn't true.

This is where religion is faltering. More people are questioning their faith because of the actions within the church itself. Failures generally happen from within an organisation.

So the primary reason less people are following religion is because of the actions of religion itself and not some random comments on a message board.

Wayne Wilkins is the primary reason why people do NOT believe in God anymore. sigh

I think you ascribe WAY too much importance to WW ... and not nearly enough for those who lie, cheat, steal and yes, even kill, in the name of their religion.

Dear Beth Baby!

I'm not RELIGIOUS in anyway! Nor am I into politic's because as you said they both will get you killed!

So we agree about RELIGION! But it's another thing to quote the Bible! That all in this society is living by....Actually I was posting to show how people use RELIGION to pull their crap against others.

If you ask most people, they will state that they are CHRISTIANS! Even those in prison for murder are whatever. You also have those that go around stating that GOD told them to mass kill people. Like Jimmy Jones did. and several others. God told White Baptist to be RACIST towards Black Baptist?????????? That's how it goes in real lfe.

You have all these so called Christians that just don't know nor ever read their Bible! I, have taken the time to study it! I, have found way too many holes in the stories in the Bible!

The New Testament was first written some 50 yrs. AFTER Christ death! So NO ONE was there to hear Christ say this or that! That they state he was supposed to have said....It was written from 50 to 500 yrs. after his death. You know how man lies! Stretches stories and have fantasies in their minds.

So since there's those that so call live by that Bible and they go around doing wrong and quoting the Bible as a defense and yet know nothing about it or what it says.

Church's are only about MONEY! They virtually force you to pay 10% of what you make weekly. You can't pay your bills and the Preachers are living like Kings! Then they try to shame you for not paying them. By telling that God will give you ten fold, so you pay then your ass is in the streets cause you couldn't pay your bills. Or if you go to them for help, they turn you down while the preacher is eating steak, living in a million dollar home and laughing at your ass.....

God is not a Christian! God is not about MURDER, PAIN, HATE, RACISM, BURN IN HELL, DOOM and GLOOM. and whatever else! If there even is a God? If there is one, he is FAR everyone, love, peace and being kind!

As George Carlin stated, " That if God was a Woman we wpouldn't be as F----- up!"

Don't you think it's funny that the Christian RELIGION only preaches out of the New Testament and never the Old Testament.... When it was even written till years later.......

Look how the Govt get those to go to another country and kill someone that's never ever done a thing to them and kill them in the name of GOD! Then when they return and have someone do something to them personally and they kill that person, they are put in prison or executed!???????

They are being persecuted because White Power groups are the persecuTORS. Simply by preaching the idea of oppressing other races and religions they are persecuting someone else.

When you add paramilitary training into that mix, you're damn well right they should be investigated and arrested!

Lolly - How many New Black Panther members have been arrested for doing the same things?

the new black panther party was a joke and all they were looking for was one guy dont even try to compare the two.. these people preach hate not only to other white but to their children and last time i check the new black panther party wasnt playing with guns and explosives chief

they are not the only ones being paranoid however, ever since Obama took office gun purchases have been on the rise. if i'm not mistaking it's at an all time high now.

E V E R Y white man, me included, is afraid that should something happen to our black president, blacks would riot and hell would break loose.

truths be told.

Reallytho90 - Actually, the last I heard, Hashim Nzinga was arrested on gun charges in March (possession of a firearm by a convicted felon). So apparently, YES, the NBPP IS playing with guns. =)

ever since Obama took office gun purchases have been on the rise. if i'm not mistaking it's at an all time high now.

You are correct on the sales, but way off on the reason.

Ever since Obama took office, the NRA has been telling everyone that Obama was going to abolish the second amendment. Since that didn't happen, they are now telling people that Obama was just lulling people into thinking he wasn't. If re elected, the NRA now states that he will do it for sure since everyone was lulled into thinking he wouldn't. The audio is out there to listen to for yourself.

You're right about the paranoia, but wrong about the cause of it. It's not about race, but all about fear mongering by the NRA.

I have to admit though, they did a bang up job. So good in fact, that the top gun manufacturers are no longer taking new orders for the time being.

lol @ Mark. I remember the same rumors about Clinton... "the dems are gonna take our guns!" and sales skyrocketed. Nothing like that mass-produced hysteria with Obama in office, of course. Bullets were flying off the shelves so fast there was a shortage - next thing you know, all the kooks were whispering that "Obama was hiding the amno!" How the NRA and the gun manufacturers must laugh when they get such a profitable knee-jerk reaction.

Do not dismiss the claims about trying to take away your guns. Remember the "Assault Weapons Ban"? That was a blatant attempt to take away firearms from people. there have been plenty of other attempts as well. The Brady Bill? Multiple bills which HAVE been introduced but fortunately did not get to a vote also would have severely limited your ability to buy or own hand guns.

There IS a crowd out there which would rather see every gun in this country taken away form the citizenry. most want to do it because they say they champion people killed by guns. What they ignore is the tens of thousands of people each year who defend themselves and others and prevent crimes with legally owned firearms. They would turn each and every one of those people into victims in their blind quest.

...and they sneer at us edumacated folk.....ha ha ha

these groups have been trying everything to recruit new members and i guess over time they have "lowered the standards" many times to serve this purpose. according to stormfront.org, the biggest site for white supremacists - uh i mean white nationalists, a "white person" is defined as a person who looks "white" and considers himself white. surname is unimportant unless it's Goldstein, Abub, Khadifmuabmehlabhahaehe etc. etc.

What did the murders on 9/11 do before they crashed into their target. They planned for a very long time.

Money Truth, be careful, posting sensible reasoned responses will get you banned.

My thoughts too, what animals do you hunt with explosives? (ok maybe fish, but SHEESH!)

Persucute: to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict; specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief

per·se·cut·ed per·se·cut·ing

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/persecute

(please don't call me a spelling nazi :P )

Don't worry PP, I got it.

I was actually thinking of posting something similar, but you beat me to it! :)

That isn't "persecuted." The word is "prosecuted."

I was about to say that, and you beat me to it!

Sounds to me like they got caught, now they're desperately back-pedaling to try to get out of their jam. Just like a criminal who keeps saying "I didn't do it! I'm innocent! That wasn't my loot, and I didn't steal those diamonds!".

If they really wanted to be left alone, they wouldn't have been promoting their racist ideas in public. If they didn't want to bother anybody, they wouldn't have been planning and practicing for their "race war". And they certainly weren't arrested for "being white", there are several hundred million people in the US that are just as "white" as they are, but they're not being arrested because they aren't planning terrorist attacks.

It's going to be an easy win for the prosecutors, the defendants have already demolished their own defense.

My little seven pound dog doesn't look intimidating either, but the vet found out otherwise after needing to get 17 stitches.

I told him he needed to use a muzzle but he thought like you did and didn't see anything to fret about.

Thew people charged or the institution charging them? This sounds reminiscent of Randy Weaver and Ruby Ridge.

Actually, I believe the inscription was:

Meine Ehre heißt Treue

My honor is loyalty.

But I take your point. That tat would keep ME from hiring him!

demjo - We're talking TACTICS not specific weapons. They were arrested for what they were PRACTICING not because they owned an AK-47.

Wow, a Fox joke. You're really cutting edge, aren't you?