yea, I smell a fish too

Well prior allegations of abuse will tell you that these people most likely had something to do with their deaths.

It would be one thing for one child to die of natural causes, but two at the same time? VERY fishy.

Not that it will bring those babies back, but I hope they find out is was something like carbon monoxide. A tragic accident would be a little better than it turning out to be murder by their mother.

Under 'normal' circumstances, it would not be unusual that TWINS could die simultaneously. SIDS is a real phenomenan. I have a great niece that died of SIDS at age 5-months. So very sad.

If this is not a natural occurrence, I hope that whoever it is that's responsible spends the rest of their merciless life incarcerated, while taking their last breath in a cold damp prison cell.

However, there is a big difference between one phone call and multiple calls and visits to a family for problems. Seems to be a lot of abuse out there that just continues unfortunately.

SIDS is a real thing. I lost an infant to SIDS years ago, but TWO at once? I wouldn't even want to know the odds on that happening.

I pray that this was not a case of abuse. There is so much of this going on today. It's heartbreaking.

to Sheryl-1336320 - where do you get 'MULTIPLE"Calls and visits - This article didn't say that at all. It mentioned that they were investigating allegations or neglect against the mother and father bu t it did NOT say multiple allegations. It mentioned that they had prior contact with the family. That does not say multiple. It mentioned they also had contact with the family about an uncle. I get twice out of that. They say they have been providing support to the family. That does not say there is ongoing abuse. It also says the uncle is the biological father of the eldest child. Theoretically the mother could have been in a relationship with one man and had a child, they broke up and she ended up marrying his brother and they had more children. I can see potential jealousy here and possible complaints against the uncle by the mother or her husband and conversely jealous complainst by the uncle agains the mother and her husband. Complaints to cause the other party some tgrouble or to get even, etc. I think it is very sad for those two babies to die but I also think that until conclusive evidence confirms abuse by any party and/or someone actually causing the deaths, we should be a little more careful about jumping to conclusion.

Im not defending them but just because one is accused of abuse doesnt mean it reallly happened. We dont know details and obviously they had there kids in their custody so we dont know it to be true or just an allegation. I hope they didnt do anything to these babies. Until we know, do not judge because I know none of us would want others judging us without facts. rip little babies!!

Bless their little souls!

Sheryl-1336320: Just because someone has "MULTIPLE"Calls and visits, does not mean **** too.

Point Example: I have had CPS called on me over 10 times now all anonymously. I know who is calling on me and why. Its several of my neighbors and the reason they are doing it is that they don't like me. When I first moved into my place things were great. I was getting to know my neighbors hanging out with them and having BBQ's with them. Then about the third month one of my neighbors was going to have a big BBQ on the weekend, When I got off of work, I went down to hang out and enjoy the rest of the night. Yet I found my neighbors were not just drinking beer or BBQ. They were also started to do lines of cocaine too. I told them I was not going to be apart of that. So I went home, well about 10 minutes later a police officer doing a patrol of the street saw them and found the drugs four of them got arrested.

My neighbors think to this day that I went home and called the cops on them. Since that day, they have made many calls to CPS on me for abuse. Every time CPS has to come out and investigate, its gotten to the point that CPS does not even show up at my place any more, they just go to my kid school and talk with his teacher and my kid.

The system is broken. anonymous calls should not be taken. If you call on someone about abuse to CPS you should have to give your name, number and address. If your call is found to be BS then you should be fined, if done again you should go to jail. Making false abuses claims to CPS should be the same as misusing 911.

Yet right now making false claims anonymously is not pushisable do to CPS says that they do not know who is calling them in since its anonymous. Cant punish the caller if its a false claim since they don't know who called.

My best friend had CPS called multiple time on her by apartment neighbors simply because her 2 year old was throwing a tantrum and being too loud, so people create more problems taking time away from things that should be investigated.

I understand the other children being removed from the home until the investigation has been done. If I had done nothing wrong it would really piss me off to be away from my daughter but truth comes out eventually, and knowing she'd be brought back would make it at least bareable

sounds like it was NOT too late for that abortion after all ! something is defenitly fishy if both twins died

Leatherneck,

The system is broken. anonymous calls should not be taken. If you call on someone about abuse to CPS you should have to give your name, number and address. If your call is found to be BS then you should be fined, if done again you should go to jail. Making false abuses claims to CPS should be the same as misusing 911.

I understand your frustration with dumb a$$ neighbors, but I believe the reason for allowing anonymous calls is to encourage the public's help in identifying real cases of abuse. If callers had to give their personal information to file a complaint, they would be less likely to do so. It's unfortunate, but that's the way we are. Most people who call in complaints are family or neighbors, and they don't want the person they are calling on to know they are the ones who turned them in, and they don't trust a system that demands their personal info.

I sure feel for those parents. It is unlikely they causes the deaths though. It might be that they were sleeping face to face and were breathing in each others breath, thereby CO poisoning. Just a theory.

BOTH babies dead? Even if it were SIDS...together?
If it were a health problem, I still sincerely doubt they would have both died at the same time...but the fact that there was already abuse in the family, without placing blame, doesn't sound too innocent either.

Rest in peace little angels.

MSG(retired): If callers had to give their personal information to file a complaint, they would be less likely to do so.

I understand that argument but, after experiencing this BS. I say there has to be some sort of accountability for it now. There has to be away to make calling in abuse to CPS easy and painless, but at the same time there has to be away to hold people accountable for using CPS for thereown personal vendetta squad. I don't like X person so I will just keep calling CPS to go harass them is BS.

You should have to give your name, phone number and address. That info should be for CPS only and if the call turns out to be BS, then CPS should then be able to file charges against that person if they keep calling in BS abuse claims. There has to be some sort of accountability or it will be abused over and over again.

Under 'normal' circumstances, it would not be unusual that TWINS could die simultaneously. SIDS is a real phenomenan.

Reni - That has to be the most inane statement that I've read in a long time. Why would it "not be unusual" for twins to die at the same time? They might be twins, but they are two unique individuals. In addition, these babies are fraternal twins, meaning that their DNA is no more identical than two siblings with the same parents. In other words, if one twin died spontaneously, even from SIDS, there is no greater reason to expect the second twin to die of the same problem than for a brother and sister born months or years apart to die of the same problem.

BTW, that should be phenomenon, not "phenomenan". Spell-check...priceless.

KarenJH I agree, it's sad but jealousy is a big factor in the case. My ex called on me before when he learned I was dating someone. Sad but it happens. Also makes you wonder if the jealous uncle didn't have something to do with it. Are the people hispanic. Is there a language barrier?

More deaths of babies, and children.

Infanticide?

This country should make people get a license to have a child. Such irresponsibility; babies and children are treated as if they are mice or rats found in their homes.

Disgusting. If not wanted, they could have been adopted out.

Or did the Mother have Post Partum Depression. It is still disgusting.

I had a neighbor call CPS on me because I refused to let her borrow my vacuum until she returned my mop that she "borrowed." I know it was her since it happened right after that incident and the abuse I caused my kids, according to the social worker, was vague and not very clear but they had to come out. I told the woman to inform whoever called, that if they called again I would file harrassment charges against her. My sister had a neighbor call on her three times because she was jealous that my sister had two girls and she had only boys, seriously, some people are sick. That neighbor ended up arrested herself for child abuse, thankfully before her boys were seriously harmed. Just because someone accuses, even multiple times, does not mean the people are guilty. It is weird for twins to die like this, I hope it was some freak natural cause but I doubt it.

May God bless these little ones. Also, something must be wrong with me. Why do I keep clicking on these articles and ruining my day? I hate this

Marchant,

Can't agree with you more! People need to get licenses for pets...

do drive...but any idiot with the right parts can reproduce.

Its sickening and its a vicious cycle...people on welfare having

8 kids...and their kids are having kids...

mandatory sterilizations!!

JD0061:

It is unbelievable to me, how many babies/small children are done away with by their own parents in recent years. Epidemic.

Something is very wrong in this country. It would be a good subject or Issue to for people to Discuss in their States, including parents who are desperate. The Department of Health and Welfare should be working on how this is so rampant. So many mentally ill parents.

Maybe these people need to know they can freely set their children up for Adoption. Dropping them off at a hospital, with no recourse to the parent. So many babies are truly wanted by parents in this Country who cannot have them.

Poverty. That really is not the total reason for these killings. Babies are like dolls. Tear their hair out, and throw them away---human life---precious.

What purpose does it serve to throw a parent or parents in Jail---a waste of Taxpayer's money.

Thank you for the great comments.

Leatherneck918- I agree with you, if the caller cares so much about the child and believes there is real neglect or abuse, they shouldn't have problems giving their name and number. When you call anonymously, there is on record if its the same person calling 10 times, or 10 different callers, and that is a huge difference. CPS does not have to announce who the caller is, but keep a record of the caller. What if there is actual abuse, wouldn't it be nice to a witness to call or someone to confirm actual abuse?

i think its sick if they were reported before to dss for abuse why didnt they do something about it the frist those poor babies had to die cause of child abuse ,i think that who ever did should roet in hell ,it makes me mad if a parent has a promblem they dont need to have kids ,they should have them selfes fix so they cant hurt a child knowing they r child abusers dss should know that something can happen they did nothing about it the frist time

princesspurple: We don't know why the kids are dead. If it turns out the parents abused them and caused them to die then throw the book at them.

If the kids were not abused and they just died of natural causes then your going to feel like a Jack*** for assuming that the parents were bad just because someone had called CPS before on them.

Reason why CPS didn't do something about it the first several times CPS was called is because there was (Wait for it) no evidence to back up the claim of Abuse.

ABCzyx check out the death of both twins is NOT uncommon because twins are usually premature their lungs aren't always developed correctly, and the rate for SIDS deaths in twins has been as high as 9 babies per thousand births, but is usually around 4 deaths per thousand babies compared to the 1 in 1000 for single babies. So lets not judge until the whole story is in.

Let's not rush to judgement. The father took other kids to daycare. If so, that was because he is working, as well as his wife, or having twins was all she could handle and so the others were watched by daycare? My point is that daycare is extremely expensive, and if a mom is at home normally she would take care of all the children to cut down on costs, unless they had the funds to pay for outside help.

Families are super stressed today because our family routine is fast and furious and leaves little time to reflect on our actions and needs. I grew up in the 50s and 60s in a small town with most moms staying home and caring for large families. When we got off the bus each day, we stopped at each other's homes for a snack that was made by that stressed out mom with multiple kids. The thing is, they didn't seem stressed to me. Life was different.

Theboys:

If the mother and father were of any Ethnicity, money would not be a problem with Day Care----most of the "Community friends" would take care of babies and children for free---these two parents are sick; drugs/alcohol perhaps? Too drugged and alcoholed out to manage their daily lives of their children. Just like Baby Lisa and others. The twins "got in their way"; just like Casey Anthony---that is the most likely scenario. Overwhelmed, and dumb.

I doubt if they sent the kids to a Day Care, spending a lot of money to let them stay there---

This was just plain ignorance, negligence, and alleged murder from the parent or parents.

Too many sickos out there, now that drugs/alcohol have taken over so many lives. The Drug Cartels. Yes, indeed, making fine citizens out of many Americans.

This post is an Assumption.

QUICK!! Lets rush to judgment without all the facts just like Trey Martin. You people have no clue as to what happened so why don't you STFU until the facts are known and not some halfwit reporting their opinion.

You are not the mental elites you think you are.

You might want to lower your pedestal so as not to hurt yourself when someone knocks your stupid ass off of it.

Leatherneck - the uncle is not the father of the eldest child - the article says an uncle AND the father of the eldest child both had allegations (plural) of abuse. So that is a minimum of three allegations. I am not sure if three constitutes "multiple" but you corrected Sheryl with wrong information.

ABCzyx Spell check indeed. I believe you were trying to spell insane. Or did you really mean inane? People in glass houses...

My in-laws have called child services a lot of times and yet they've found nothing. Now whenever the in-laws call them they ignore their calls. Thing is allegations are simply calls with no real evidence of abuse. All though I have a hard time believing those twins just suffocated at the same time. If they were premature though wouldn't doctors have checked for anything that would affect their heath?

as a kid i reveled in the unknown, mysterys, weird geek stuff. one of the things well documented, is the link between twins, and so on knowing and senceing and even feeling when something happens to one of them. especially when it comes to death. this is stuff you can look up before commenting on, as to this happening being "impossible".

as for "allegations"... you cant even raise your voice to your kid without CPS getting involved, and i knew parents who's own kids called them in because they didnt get "their way" and were grounded. i was accused of abuse once. i moved in with my gf who had a boy and a girl. 5, and 10. she would punish them, by putting hot sauce, and even serrano (spelling?) not a joke. i knew nothing of it until i was laid off, was working 2nd, and never really seen the kids. i tried to put a stop to it, in person when i did realise it, packed my crap in the truck and called with the 1st phone i got to. later i was arrested, questioned, and accused of being the person who was doing this. according to the interviewer with CPS State div. it just so happend when arrested, i requested solitary, kind of funny my cell was in earshot of hearing her comment, "of course he denied everything". fact is i have a great record, as a careing parent, who doesnt believe it takes violence, or mental abuse, to bring a kid up. i was out 25 minutes later, and heard my ex gf was going to be arrested on my way out. i also dated one of the city cops' daughters for a while, and personal freinds with a now former deputy. plus, you treat people with respect, you tend to get more accomplished, imo.

There is no way this is natural. Rest in peace little ones.

It is very premature to assign any fault to anyone regardless of a past history with social services or family services whatever they call it in Chicago. There have been numerous cases within the past two years of family services being called on a family by a neighbor. Sometimes it is just a a case of jealousy on the neighbors part or they never got along to begin with. People can be very hateful and ruin a family just for spite. I am not saying that is the case here but I never trust family services until a proper investigation has been completed by law enforcement.

Many times it is not what a mother or father does to their children, it is what they do not do. It is called neglect. Unless the cause of death is something like carbon monoxide poisoning as mentioned in a previous post, I will find it very hard to believe two children died at the exact same time due to natural causes. SID's does not fit nor several other childhood diseases. I hope they discover the cause of these poor children's death without focusing entirely on the parents. I hope the autopsy provides details instead of more questions. May God be with these children.

Something is VERY hinky here!

You are right, no child deserves this. I am sure we will find out if there was foul play and it does seem very unlikely that both of these children died at the same time even though they were premature.

If there was foul play, I will never ever understand how anyone could hurt their (or any) child!! There are plenty of people out there who would've loved to give these children a loving home, myself included as I was never able to have children.

RIP little ones........

It's called Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy.

Schoolyard I thought that was ongoing where they made their kids sick for attention. Do a lot of kids actually die from munchausen or have ongoing sickness? Either way it's truly sad this is the result.

Why would the father take the two older children to day care--and then return home? If he were going back home, there would be no need to take them to day care. The mother was at home. Why the day care? Bacause they knew that they were going to be busy answering questions all day, and possibly arrested, so needed a baby sitter? These twins were not newborns and the odds of them dying on the same day of SIDS is exponetially unlikely. The mother was "startled"? Not hysterical with grief? He didn't want to "point fingers?" If he even thought of that, he knew that something was very wrong....This is a case of murder. No doubt in my mind.

This is NOT munchausen by proxy. For example, I heard a story of a woman here in the U.S. (not sure when or where, my nursing instructor shared this in class) who made everyone believe her child had cancer, so she shaved the child's head and made everyone believe the child was really sick.

Totally agree, I have twins also. They may eat, drink, sleep and mess their diaper at the same time but die?!!? I don't think so.

My thought initially was that they didn't have them in separate cribs but in the same one. This could cause a whole host of issues that could lead to the death of both.

The article didn't say when the second twin died.... it could have been hours after. To presume it happened at the exact same minute would be a stretch. I am curious why 911 was called at 8:30 and the first baby didn't get TOD until 9:52 AM. Did they really perform CPR for almost 90 minutes or were the babies not dead when the EMTs arrived?

This article leaves one with more questions than answers.

"Tragic coincidence?" Dream on...

I thought the father found them dead and the mother was "startled." What a bunch of crap. These infants were murdered....Unless aliens abducted them, killed them, and returned them to their crib...That story hunts better than the dog the father put out.

Shoot a gun into the wall and you'll get 20 yrs. If foul play is involved they will probably get 5 yrs , do 3 cuz of over crowding in the prisons and good time/ work time.

You are overlooking the important fact here. Political competition is keeping you from finding the cause of SIDS, crib death, cot death, or whatever you want to call it. Look into why the funding for SIDS research was cut and who got the $$ instead. Remember, SIDS infants can't protest march for additional attention.

XD, Thanks for that insight--it makes a difference to my thinking. If they abused these children, or their other children (says "allegation" not "found guilty" were neglected, then DCFS did the right thing to take the older ones out of the home.

But, that said, it wouldn't be the first time a story has been "edited for space" on this site and left out some critical information that would sway people's opinion in a specific direction. It would be a shame if someone guilty goes free, but to me it would be unthinkable if an innocent person was tried, convicted and executed or thrown in prison for life.

I do agree that it sounds improbable--but XD pointed out that it's not IMPOSSIBLE for this to happen.

Any actual twins out there that can weigh in about the connectedness of twins, mental or physical? I've heard of cases where one has a phenomenon happen to him/her (eg heart attack), and the other, even if not nearby, "knows it right away and can feel it."

My brothers are twins and it's crazy how many things happen that shows a connectivity between them. I remember when they were in the 4th grade, they did this project that involved cutting out colored paper into shapes and making a picture. They weren't sitting next to each other, and the teacher says that she didn't notice any communication between the two, but their pictures ended up being almost exactly the same, just with different colors. The shapes and where they were placed were the same. When they were 12, one broke his leg and the other would wake up at night complaining of being in pain, go get my parents and they would find that the one with the broken leg needed his medicine because of the pain.

All this being said, I find it difficult that 2 children can die at the exact same time of natural causes. I am wondering if there may have been an allergy involved, or if they were both sick previously? Or if there was a leak somewhere that killed them? Were they in the same crib? There are just too many questions to this story that should be answered. I am not accusing anyone of murder, but I think that there wasn't enough information to make this a real story. It seems like someone is writing this story with a certain angle in mind and that angle is that there must have been foul play, without coming right out and saying it.

I am an identical twin. I knew when my sister's house was burning, we lived about 50 miles apart. I had the labor pains when she was delivering HER twins and there was an 8 hr drive between us at that time. I have picked up the phone to call her, and she would already be on the line, it just hadn't rang at my house yet. We shop 50 miles apart and can buy the same things. The last occurrence we had was last year when she called me on my cell to ask if I knew our mother was in hospital and she said to me, "are you at work?" and I had to tell her, no, I was at hospital due to a vehicle accident and NO, I didn't know our mother was there." She came up from where she lives and checked on both of us, lol.

Yes, it is well documented also that twins who are so severely "connected", will die within hours of each other.

It can't be any worse than Faux News. Fair and balanced?.....according to how they want you to make the news not just report it. A lot of the cable news is just like that.

when you say "these animals"...did you mean this particular family....or the entire race?

@ frustrated-1862924... You're an idiot.

Is that the odor of troll I smell?

If God knew what was happening, why didn't he stop it?

God didn't stop it because he gave us our free will that fateful day in the garden. Thou shall not kill- is not the same as Thou will not kill. You can choose to learn about God, or you can choose not to.

Because Alverant, God gave man free will. When he gave man stewardship over the earth, he limited his own power. He does not allow nor will anything like this.

WTF i guess some people think they can get away with some things but the truth be told some things should be left alone! How both twins die?? let me guess different cause?? get the f... out of here....well i guess the sorry law will make some justice well we hope and pray...smh....sn:PRAYING FOR JUSTICE FOR INNOCENT KIDS!!!

When something good happens we say it's a miracle and was done by God. When something bad happens, we say that God doesn't intervene because we have free will. Seems we like to apply God in any way we see fit.

Wonder if 'God' gets tired of 'being used in any way we -people- please'.

The whole reason I'm an Atheist. Please don't shove god down someone's throat, because we are all not religious. Requiescat in pace, children.

They are twins, born prematurely. SIDS could very well have caused both of their deaths. It's been recorded before. Also, just because CPS gets involved doesn't mean there is actual neglect or abuse going on. Plenty of false reports are made against people all the time. Could have been SIDS, could have been some undiagnosed genetic disorder, it could have been homocide. We don't know yet, and I doubt we ever will, because MSNBC never updates these kinds of stories, especially if it turns out that it was a natural death. May those children rest in peace, and the family have strength and courage during this difficult time.

And we never will, unless we find a more credible source that /updates/. MSNBC is just a cheap ripoff of bigger industries to get more money. Nothing is ever 'the whole story' with them. True, but depressing.

Hollieday...try clicking on the LINKS, this is where MSNBC is getting the story. I can't understand why people don't click the links instead of complaining about MSNBC, yet they are ALWAYS HERE reading the story, but not clicking the link for it. GEEZ!

Peb09m-

True Dat. Honestly, how do some people get jobs writing news copy for a living? Institute mandatory remedial English Composition 101 for these hacks, Now.

I thought the news was supposed to be factual not editorial, or at least based on the verified information on hand at the time. As far as I'm concerned, although there are some very dedicated individuals, that is nearly extinct among the news outlets these days--unless anybody has a source for "balanced news" I'm not aware of. The editorials go in the "Opinion" section.

Your reasoning is just about as marvelous as it gets! Glad you weren't on the intake desk at Ellis Island--everybody whose name ended with an "i" or an "o" would have been put back on the boat. I suppose you would have had us all neutered and spayed.

Why do you think Catholicism would be responsible for this tragedy? What if the last name was Mohammed? Would you deduce something similar about Muslims from that? Their birthrate is WAY higher than Catholics. Oh, sorry, I see--it's only PC to crap on the Catholics. If you're gonna be provocative, it's safest to do it to people who don't get provoked!

Excuse me, can you tone down the hatred for humanity? We got you hated it in the first paragraph. But we are not jackals. We have brains, but we don't always use them. Can you stop being so biased?

Quite! Ralph, maybe you and dandlj could start a club! Oh wait, that's been done already. By the Nazis.

Someone forgot to mention, you're an animal with the rest of us, cupcake. Made up of the same stuff. So you're just as much of an animal as the humanity you berate.

No offense but it's a pretty sad statement on your ability to show compassion if that's the first and only thing you comment about. I hope not all people are so jaded.