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Subscribe to RSSA speeding car hit a support beam of a Chicago elevated train track, crashing with enough force for the vehicle to split in two and killing four young mothers inside, authorities said Sunday.
Family and friends grieving on Mother's Day said all four women were mothers who were out for the night and had planned to attend a party. The crash left six children without mothers.
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Images from the scene showed the vehicle was ripped in two, and mangled into a heap of metal unrecognizable as a car.
The crash happened in the 4800 block of West Lake Street just after midnight Sunday.
Chicago Police Department spokesman Hector Alfaro said the car was traveling fast when it hit a cement beam that supports Chicago Transit Authority 'Green line' tracks on the city's West Side before it ran into a light pole.
NBC Chicago: Crash Rips Car in 2, Killing 4 Young Women
Four women in their 20s were inside. Three died at the scene. A fourth woman, Ieshia Nelson, 21, was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital, where she was pronounced dead at 12:48 a.m.
Family identified two of the other victims as 21-year-old Tyshyra Hines, and 25-year-old Bernadette Harris, the Chicago Tribune reported.
Harris' sister, Sheila Harris, told the newspaper that her sister was a devoted parent to three children, ages 4, 6 and 8.
"She'd go above and beyond for her kids," she said. "She was an outstanding mother."
The Chicago Police Department Major Accident Unit is investigating.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Enough force to rip the car in two? I was in a car accident a month ago at 55mph vs. a tree that left the car with a deep indentation and the engine block sitting where the dashboard was. How fast were these women going to cause the car to literally break apart? Were they drinking? Racing? What happened?
Sounds like a night of drinking and speeding. Not a good combination. I guess its best that they hit a support beam and not another vehicle full of people. I guess now we will hear about the family suing the city for unsafe support beams and alcohol is not part of it eh?
@had-enough
Sadly, that was the first thing I thought when reading the article, that the families are going to sue someone for this tragedy, perhaps even the car maker. How awful that we are now conditioned to think this way.
I'm sorry, but real mothers don't leave their kids with sittersspouses to go out and get wasted on Mother's Day eve. Unless these folks were in one of those Toyotas with the sudden uninteded acceleration issue (even though it should already have been repaired by Toyota at no cost to the owner), they were clearly four sheets to the wind and speeding to the tune of 120+ mph. That is what it takes to utterly demolish a vehicle in a collision with a fixed object. Reckless driving, plain and simple, aided by alcholic fortitude.
When out and about I notice people driving their vehicles and not paying attention, most often there speeding..What makes them think they're protected strapped in 3 thousand pounds of metal..I play dodge ball everyday..
Babies Daddies-Where dey be?
Babies now wid dey Moms Mamma, God bless She
Unca Sam now gonna pay dem bills, God bless he
Who goes out and does an all nighter on a Sunday anyways? Unless your on vacations... Did none of these girls have jobs? Drunk ass thug chicks probably. Always out doing no good. RIP Ma's. As for the children, may they find loving families to teach them better.
It never ceases to amaze me how tragedies always bring out the haters and judgmental people. Yeah, as if you're perfect and never done anything stupid in your life and you want to sit in judgment of other people.
Or maybe it's the naked truth that's amazing to you.
Well if there were indeed going fast enough to rip the car in half this was a pretty "stupid' thing to do. Of course they are going to be judged on a message board. The one who is truly to blame is the one who was driving. What was she thinking?
Your right no one's perfect. But the facts are these women or should I say girls were acting irresponsibly and based on the fact that one girl at age 25 already had three children, the oldest 8, I would say being responsible probably was not something they knew anything about. The majority of mother's in this world were at home with their children celebrating the day and being responsible.
The only tragidy here is there are children who today are without a mother, because their mothers decided it was more responsible to go out, party, speed down the road and crash. There is nothing judgemental about pointing out how irresponsible there action was.
Blake-2644321
The article said Sunday at midnight and the last mother dies at 12:48. That means it was Saturday night when they were partying.
reading comprehension is your friend. In addition, what makes you think these mothers were "thug chicks?" I have a guess, but I'll leave it for the community to decide.
This is a tragedy any way you slice it, but sadly, like most tragedies, it's one that could have easily been avoided.
@had-enough,
Actually, I guess they would have to sue because the train support beam was too safe. I used to work in forensics and have seen more crash scenes involving more scenarios than one should have to see in a lifetime. One of my first motor vehicle cases was a guy who after leaving a bar lost control of his Mustang GT and slid sideways at 70 mph into one of the Miami Metro-rail columns. The force compressed his vehicle almost flat in the passenger area so that the drivers side door was about 3 inches from the passenger door. Every bone in the drivers body was literally pulverized to shards. For this vehicle to have been torn apart as badly as it was, it must have been traveling at speeds near or above 100 mph.
Sadly, this just shows that despite being mothers, because of their youth (seems they were all in their early 20's), they are still able to make the same stupid decisions that all young people can often make.
Dear Parents both Young and Old,
The next time you decide to drink, do drugs, speed or do anything foolish, remember something.......it's not about you anymore. There is someone at home or in the car with you that is relying on you, needing you to be there for them and keep them safe. The moment you decided to be a parent, you forfeited your right to only think about you.
Exactly...
To everyone who can do know better then make racist comments, remember you reap what you sow. RIP to the mothers whom have lost their lives.
Problem - most people don't decide to be a parent. Sounds like these four were all young and single, I'm guessing they did not purposely have children.
suptymoney - totally agree with you
the only people who can sit in judgement on here are:
parents who have never, ever...not even ONCE had a night of drunken fun since their kids were born.
those are the ONLY responsible parents who always put their kids above their own desires.
everyone else, flirted with potential danger - and luckily, came out the other side ok.
thats the danger of booze...a little is fine, a little more is usually ok, quite a bit usually is still fine, but way too much, SOMETIMES ends in horrific disaster (though not usually).
these girls gambled, and lost. END OF STORY.
if you have never gambled, by all means - throw stones.
Blake - "Drunk ass thug chicks probably" Your compassion is overwhelming. I'll bet your mom is real proud of you!
I'm sure they purposely had sex though...children are an expected by-product of sex so unless they were raped...yeah, they purposely had children.
Utterly ridiculous "logic" here. Nothing in the article about a lawsuit. You are the one that thought of it. Then you lament the impoverished moral condition of those who would think of such a thing. But dude, YOU are the one who thought of it, nobody else.
Control traffic you control crime. Speed and DUI kills.
This is just tragic, and yes it was something that could have been avoided had these young ladies used better judgement. My heart goes out to their families and in particualr their children. Losing one's mother at such an early age can have devastating effects unless there are family members who are equipped to give the extra love and guidance that a child needs.
That being said, what is wrong with some of you that you are so spiteful and in a few cases down-right racist? Do you have any idea how many white upper-middle class parents - including mothers - I have seen drinking/partying with children in tow? And hell yes I called the police and reported them when they left in their vehicles after drinking pitchers of margeritas or other cocktails with lunch.
Stupidity is an all-inclusive condition that cuts aross race, class, ethnicty/nationality, educational level, political/religious belief, etc. And as Will Rogers once said, we are stupid, just about different things and at different times. Better yet, as Jesus of Nazareth commanded, "Judge not lest ye be judged, for in the manner you judge others God will judge you." So instead of offering judgment and insult, how about prayer and compassion?
Jessica - it is never "fine" to drink and drive. And, yes, I have "never, ever...not even ONCE had a night of drunken fun since" since my kids were born because I don't drink. I don't like how it feels to be drunk or even tipsy, and I don't have to be drunk in order to have a good time. You can't understand that because you are obviously a boozer since you try to rationalize drinking and driving. (BTW - grow up and stop double spacing single sentences. It's annoying. Capitalize the first letter of a sentence., or are you just too drunk at the moment to know the difference?)
Marvin - what does this statement even mean? It makes no sense.
@stoopid
Perhaps you should read my post again. I was responding to what had-enough had posted. Your entire post is filled with the stench of your user name.
@Jessica
I am not perfect by any means, but since having children, I have never done any of those things you have mentioned. I just felt it would be irresponsible and selfish. Also, I actually have more fun with my children than I ever did before having them. I also have never been as happy either.
Didn't the article say they were still investigating? How do all of you know they were drunk and speeding? Was anyone of you there? Do you have some inside information? Everyone is so quick to judge, girls went out to celebrate Mother's Day... kids are now left without mothers... how can you people be so insensitive? As for me, my thoughts are with the families, I shed a tear for little kids who will never have a chance to hug their moms on Mother's Day.
American Fable, I know EXACTLY what you mean!
No one wants to give the other 3 girls in the car the benefit of the doubt.
I'm prepared to. I bet all 3 girls were scared to death knowing the car was being driven that fast. I bet all 3 girls asked the girl who was driving to please slow down.
Jessica (the poster who encouraged moms here who've never been drunk to cast stones),
I'll proudly cast stones, as will my mother; we've NEVER been drunk. I spent several years in Chicago. I'd see very young women with several kids in tow and they pushed them around in stores, yelling at them, being rough with them. These women don't recognize this behavior among themselves. I truly hope that the 25 year old was as great a mother as her sister said she was. I've seen too many young mothers being cold and harsh with their kids. This isn't discipline. This is harshness and coldness.
The fact that all four were out drunk (you'll see, that's what the tox reports will say) and speeding outrageously (what ELSE could have demolished the car like that?), speaks volumes. Very young mothers, one with an 8, 6 and 4 year old ... I wonder if those kids got regular whippin's.
God thins the herd again. No where on a American street can you legally drive a car so fast that when you it a obstruction the car gets ripped in half and pulverized. West Lake Ave has the "L" running above it. It is a small narrow street with hundreds of track support beams in the roadway. It has many cross streets and traffic signals. Legal speed limit 35. Your car doesn't get ripped in two going 35 MPH. Not tragic just predictable.
A quick look at Google Maps Street View shows it is inner city - thus there are stop lights every hundred yards or so. There is also a jog in the road at 4800, if you have driven in big cities you know you get tired of stopping every 2 minutes, so you "gas on" to beat the red light. I doubt very much that they were going more than about 50mph - you try going faster than that under an elevated rail system, bet you can't get going faster than 50mph. I've driven under the Seattle Monorail - good luck going 30mph under it.
Most likely it was an old compact car, after seeing what happened to my Chevy S10 going 40 mph - I'd hate to think what would happen to my old Chevy Metro in that same wreck.
I blame the Duncan Donuts on the corner of 4800 block - they distract me drunk or sober. Back when I did drink - I always went way under the speed limit.
Article said they were on the way to a party. Maybe they were already out partying.. who knows, but the last sentence intrigued me...
Must not been too devoted to be out partying doing risky behavior , acting foolishly. Now the children have the live with the repercussions of their mothers poor decision making.
I watched an episode of Worlds Dumbest - Stupid Hillbillies, some okie got his newer full sized truck stuck in an iced over river - when they went to pull the truck out - it folded in half and they were going super slow trying to pull it out.
and you guys mock Ralph Nader :P
This tragic accident could be avoided. Mother;s Day is the day you spent with your family an especially with your children to show and teach them a values of the family.Something went completely wrong with making decision that day/night and unfortunately for all four young mothers ended fatally as a result of lock of responsibilities,discipline and reckless behavior. I wouldn't describe them as of great,devoted mothers..... My heart goes to all this children
If they loved there kids they would not been in that scene.
Damon, one night out doesn't constitute disregard for one's children. Driver made a tragic mistake (Speeding at least) and now 6 children are going to grow up without mothers. Put yourself in someone else's shoes for once. You are not the official judge on devoted mothers.
Silverheels, here I go again, look up the words there, their, and they're. Your welcome. Your comment was $hitty as well.
On the flip side of that, how do you know " one night out " ? Neither of us really know if she goes out all the time , or just this time, but this I do know for sure, she decided to go out with her friends on mothers day instead of spending all of it with her kids. Im not saying any person needs to do that, each person has their own life. My point is her sisters words doesnt match too well with her actions of this accident.
Drunk thug chicks, not a care in the world. Somebody else pays for all your stuff, and now somebody else will pay to raise your illegitimate punks. So basically if those kids learn anything from this, you will actually have done one good thing by getting killed; you left them a way out. Good riddance.
whoa.
Wizard of all - may the karma you send out, return to you 10 fold.
You do know the Wizard in the Wizard of Oz; stood symbolically for the government... how is that for karma?
Well Damon, the article did not state that the mother went out 7 nights a week and dumped her kids off on anyone that would take them. That's how I got the "one night out". That was the information from the article. Was it not the night BEFORE mother's day that she went out? My kids are about grown and they beg me to go out and do stuff. I just don't have the interest. I like to be home.
The same light-stop post has been hit twice where I work by two hot red trucks across the street within this month. One made it half a block down the street learning sideways without tires... everyone was okay. The second didn't go anywhere but stayed slammed against the post. I didn't know what to do... felt like the kids who were serious but still giggled with fear inside of them but didn't mean any wrong... but when I saw the reflection from inside the paramedics, I felt like crying because someone was being resucitated inside the paremedic car very hard and fast while they pulled into the same paremedic car another with their hands gripping each other like when my dad died and we went inside his hospital room with him lying dead when I was 11. I felt like crying but I still have faith they are okay.
Hey Amado, spell much? Looks like Ieshia and Tyshyra couldn't drive too well after leaving the club. I was also 'cryins' inside until I saw the 'reflections from inside the paramedics', based on your description. Thank god these Darwin award winners didn't take out any other vehicles with their impaired stupidity.
Amado, traumatic arrest usually always have a poor outcome
I'm sorry for your pain, Amado.
bikerWimp, these young mothers are dead. I don't recall seeing anything that the driver was impaired. Why the attack???
@chefaz-whatever; you should read biker wimp comments be for posting! the last line says it all, they could hit another vehical with 4 additional mothers so we`d have 8 dead! glad they only hit the steel post and no one else. yes 4 mothers are dead but SPEED KILLS. amadoC you need to run for congress.
BikerWimp, understand Darwinism much? For this to have been that, they wouldn't be mothers. They have children left to carry on their genetics, get it?
What! Why are you telling us this, AmadoC? Isn't this news morbid enough without your total recall?
Back to the story, I'm very sorry for the kids but when you become a mom your priorities change and driving fast enough to cause an accident is just reckless. The point is to get home safe and sound without killing yourself and anyone else. Truly thankful no one else was involved. You're never invincible at any age.
Olde Sarge said it right! Thet should've been with their kids, not out partying on mother's Day. Sounds like karma. I bet the Dads don't go to the strip club for Father's Day this year~ Parenting FAIL!
Um, so parents aren't allowed to go out on a saturday night just because it happens to be the night before mother's day?
Yes, it sounds likes drinking and driving, and that's parenting fail, but do you mean to tell me that you (if you have kids) and/or your parents NEVER went out on a saturday night once you had children?
It's not rocket science to guess how this happened. Driving fast enough to split the car in two! late saturday night after leaving a club...... too soon for a toxicology test for drugs or alcohol, but my guess... given the evidence that the driver was indeed impaired, or at the very least very reckless. How fast would you have to be going to split a car in two???
it really weirds me out how many people are acting like moms and dads arent allowed to go out with a few friends on a saturday night.
perhaps thats why so many parents are so crazy...they never take breaks from their kids.
trust me, parents deserve a night out every now and then...
we just hope they dont end like this one did.
there is a thing called BALANCE...and calling a cab when you get a little too tipsy to drive.
no one is saying you have to go out and get sh!tfaced...there is something in between sh!tfaced and complete sobriety...it's called having a little fun.
TRY IT.
Control traffic you control crime. Speed and DUI kills.
DrowningGrover
Um, so parents aren't allowed to go out on a saturday night just because it happens to be the night before mother's day?
Yes, it sounds likes drinking and driving, and that's parenting fail, but do you mean to tell me that you (if you have kids) and/or your parents NEVER went out on a saturday night once you had children?
Breing from chicago i have traveled that street many times, and if the impact split the car in 2 yes it had to be drinking and driving. i have seen sober drivers going 30 mph hit those supports. heck the supports seperate the park lane from the traffic.
they should have known not to go that fast or take washington street or madison ave . much safer!!!!
Ok, we hear your opinions, Let see what the "Book" has to say on the subject: "WINE is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise(Pro. 20:1)."
This is for everyone of you that drink and "think" that you are an "Exception to the rule." Just stay away from liqour!
"At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder(Pro. 23:32)." Just trying to help you out neighbour. We all need reminders. Have a good day.
My guess is that they were not drunk - this is Chicago, not some little town where the "bars" close down at 11pm. Popular clubs in large cities sometimes don't open their doors until 11pm - if someone is drunk, they will stumble to their car at 4 or 5am. I live in a large city, if you went to a club at 9pm (if it were open) you would be by yourself - younger people don't go to a club until closer to midnight - that is when the place is packed, the music is jumping, etc. ... They were heading to the club not leaving it. The story would be "Mother's killed after night of drinking" if ANYONE saw them at a club.
My guess is these young mother's were sober but racing to the club because it was fun, maybe a tire blew, maybe they had their favorite music playing loudly (driver distraction), possibly using a phone etc. To automatically say they were drunk, is not terribly smart. Poster's will have to wait for the toxicology tests. I have been behind drunk drivers and they are usually slow and weaving (on an interstate).
Whatever caused this accident - it is a tragedy for their children and families. Let's not crucify the mothers as "being drunk" without evidence - the only thing we know is that they are deceased and certainly speed played a factor.
Condolences to the families who lost their loved ones.
If you read the story in the link provided by MSNBC (which says it will direct you to the Chicago Herald - but actually directs you to the Chicago Tribune) (can MSNBC get anything right?) - you will find that these women were productive members of society, rarely went out, father's were in the picture for some of the children - perhaps all, the article was not clear - but there is NO mention of intoxication. This was a tragic car accident.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-four-dead-auto-accident-0514-20120514,0,3751525.story
I don't know if speed kills, but speed plus stupid definitely kills. Most of the time, just stupid is enough
Yes, it seems like the speed here must have been way above what it should have been. How sad that six children have lost their mother's. Young woman out partying, old enough to have babies but not mature enough to realize that they were putting themselves at risk.
jak-3696747- Really??? Why such a hateful comment? How ignorant & cruel!!
My condolences to the families Please remember that at least three children are going to grow up without a mother and but for the grace of God go the rest of us.. May God pour out a spirit of healing and comfort upon their families and friends.
Peace and blessings to all this day.
Too bad god didn't have the power to step in & prevent this tragedy in the 1st place.
He did Glenn. Maybe a larger tragedy was avoided. It's not for us to understand at this time. Prayers to the family and for the ladies.
@Curt - Not a logical statement buddy. First you make an absolute statement "He did...", then qualify it with the non-absolute "Maybe...". As with all faith inspired, dogmatic propaganda, this is pure rubbish. What's not to understand is why otherwise smart people insist on believing in a Magic Man In The Sky...
Let's go with the simplest explanation (which is usually correct). Four women go out and party, the driver is incapacitated, due to either alcohol or distraction, and makes a tragic mistake. Happens every single day and errors in judgement have served to regulate the population of humanity since we stood erect...
I don't see any need to rationalize the "Why" of the situation, and certainly no reason to invent stories that rely upon the whims of mythical beings.
Be one of the smart ones and get out of the sheep pen.
God gives us Freedom of will. Just like all our decisions, we make them on our own. God, like our parents and others who Look out for us, can only advise. In the end it's our decision as to what we do.
My heart goes out to the families and especially the children who have lost their mothers this weekend.
Janine,
As a parent, if my kid was drunk and wanted to go for a joyride I'd take away the keys. If I had the power to I'd prevent an accident where anyone got killed. Maybe scare the crap out of my kid, but make sure they weren't hurt. But to do that I'd have to be omnipotent...
I guess god doesn't "love" us like a parent. Or isn't omnipotent. Or doesn't exist. Any way you go is in direct opposition of what mainstream christianity states.
@deberginct Thank you for calling it like it is. Sometimes bad things happen. We can either blame a god or defend a god on why things happen but looking beyond a belief or a fairy tale it all boils down to bad Sh!t sometimes happens.
God blah blah blah........why did you kill these mothers Mr. Magicman in the sky? Free will? Thats the master plan? Sounds kind of lazy to me
Enq. when my son got his license we had him sign a MADD contract. If he was going out to a party and drinking, stay there for the night. All we asked was that he call and let us know. He only did that once.
He had a bumper sticker on his car at that time. "If you're gonna drink and drive, drink Pepsi".
You can believe in God if you wish, or not if you desire. That is your right. For myself, I've felt the Power of God in my life too many times to ever deny his existence.
Can you be specific as to what you would describe as the power of God? With many times under your belt you should have enough experience to explain what you mean. It wasn't a chemical reaction from your brain that was sent through your body that everyone (human), has everyday? Are you sure it was "godly"? Or did you really want it to be god so you are convinced that it was? Simply stunning that adults still think that way. I figured by now we would just fess up that it's a big farce for money, power, and population control. But, what do I know. History is a stubborn thing. It's real. What were known to be "godly occurances and miracles" or "divine intervention" have been long explained away as natural phenomenon. People used to cut out other peoples hearts to please the "gods". Were they wrong? Why? Not a pretty little fairy tail huh? At least they didn't keep changing their story to develope with civilizations and societies. They kept it real. Thats what they believed and they stuck to it. You shape and fit and contort yours to fit the current situation. Preachers only say what they think the "word of god" means. If they really "believed" they would just say "hey, read this, it's all there". But, that wouldn't work because there is so much over the top fantasy that it has to be explained to people so that it can be digestible or "dumbed down" so someone can try to make sense of the jibberish.
I did not read anything about impairment, but by the looks of the vehicle it must have been traveling at a high rate of speed. Unfortunate, that 6 little kids are now without mothers.
total cost to society about $30,000,000 when all is said and done! Thanks a lot driver!!!
Why????????????????
Sounds like alcohol and speeding to me. What else could have caused such a horrific accident?
Condolences to the families and friends of the victims.
Needless...senseless........ tragedy.... 4 Mothers out on the town celebrating whatever. Again.........this did not have to happen!! Under the influence of alcohol, one split second of inattention brought them all to their deaths. What a nice gift to their families on Mothers Day. I wonder what they are telling God now.......................................
When....................will we ever learn....................?
Heart felt prayers to the members of their families. So very sad no matter if they were speeding, drinking etc...look at their ages and then look into your closets.
Definitely speed and probably alcohol. Had to the devoted mother of three at the age of 25 been at home at 12:48am she would still be safe. I feel sorry for their children and not for them.
Drinking and driving. Those mothers were not thinking about their children, only themselves and why should I give pitty for those who didn't care in the first place.
I have pity for people who can't spell four letter words. They are also weak links.
That's ok Rick, We all have spelled some words wrong at one time or another. I know I have :)
I can actually spell great. It's my typeing that sucks.
I would like to see all web media discontinue comment boxes. They remind me everyday just how sick society really is.
...or cowardly. We don't even know if three of the moms were even at fault.
Or maybe they (the comments) remind you that others have opinions that may be different than your own.
yet you keep on reading it.....addiction perhaps or curiosity ?
Society is a very sickening.....I'm sitting here reading all of these post about these mothers and how people can have the nerve to sit here and have so much negativity to say about four deaths.Yes this a tragedy for children and the family that have lost these mothers...And basically most of you are saying these mothers deserved what they got!!!!I wound not wish this on my worst enemy!Where is the compassion for others??We all know drinking and driving do no mix and these things happen...but to say they are bad mothers because they wanted to go out on the night of town before Mothers Day is OBSCURED!!!!!Mothers are allowed to have fun as well, but its true to do things responsible!!I am a mother myself and I go out sometimes but I always keep safe what ever I choose to do....In the audacity for someone to say they were thugs!You don't even know these women but you jump and say their thugs!!!You reap what you sew,and the tongue is a powerful thing,So if I was you I would cut it off b4 you get your self in whole lot of trouble with the LORD!!!You Idiot!!!!God bless these women and the children whom we should be worrying about!!!!
@ Pluto, I think his point is not that peoples opinions are different, it's what their opinions actually are. I do aggree that people on here make comments that are sick and ignorant. But I also think these board bring out the worst in people. 99% of people who post here would never say what the post here in person.
@ Alumette, I think it's simular to everyone who stops to look at horrible accident scenes. It's human nature.
MuauhhhXOXOXO, I don't know about the others on this post... but I think it's pretty obvious that the women got just what the deserved. Let's talk about what the women were NOT doing: NOT driving the speed limit, NOT driving without impairment, and NOT thinking of their kids. If they had been driving the speed limit...sober, and thinking of their children, the accident never would have happened. No doubt the forensic evidence will prove high speed and either alcohol or drugs. You don't totally obliterate a car doing 35 mph or even 65 mph.
I agree that mother's are entitled to have fun. I'm a mom and every other month or so I like to go out with my friends. But... we do not risk our lives or drive after drinking. It's called being a responsible adult.
So yes, I guess I'm one of the sick bastards in society that think these partying moms got exactly what they deserved. Unfortunately, the kids may end up in the foster care system. But I think it's a pretty good guess that all the moms were on public assistance anyway, so it won't cost too much more.
@ Pluto
You are spot on with that observation.
@ Torian
Some people try to always be polite on the boards, although it is rare (and difficult when others insult you). I have always tried to be polite and I would say things in person that I would write on here.
I agree with you MySpell. It seems that to some, if you don't agree with their point of view then YOU are an idiot. They don't seem to understand that My disagreeing with them doesn't necessarily mean that I am the one who is wrong.
To me, if you have insult someone to get your point across then you have a very weak cause, but that's just me.
The comments from the victim's sister are laughable, as are most comments from friends & family. "They did something wrong (fill in the blank with a senseless accident or prosecutable crime) but they are really good (fill in the blank parents/kids/spouses).
So 4 mothers - leave behind 6 kids and no mention of fathers/husbands?
Do you really think someone whose names are Ieshia or Tyshyra would have a husband?
maybe because there were none. Likely these kids are going to be raised by grandmothers, aunts..etc.....very sad indeed.
I don't really think that's relevant.
Dear Pluto,
My cousin's name is Leshima. Shima for short. She is a devoted mother, and in an excellent marriage. She also has a master's degree, her husband has a PhD, and their combined income is over $250k per year.
Stereotyping may have a root of truth, sometimes, but it is far from a determining factor.
And I just saw a pig fly by the window!
EngEsp, I'm feeling good for your cousin Leshima and her husband. Sometimes stereotyping is not stereotyping at all. Sometimes it just plain truth!
Tell Shima and her husband they are rich and Obama is coming for all that money!
I would bet good money that the driver, and probably all the passengers, was under the influence. Of what, it doesn't matter. As always, ridiculously excessive speed kills, especially when fueled by booze or drugs. Anyone who believes the driver wasn't high probably also believes Rock Hudson wasn't gay.
This is a very sad event which chould have been avoided. If you have a driver's license, please drive responsibly and obey all traffic laws. I see hundreds of people on the road every day who should not be allowed to drive as they are a danger to others and themselves.
What a shame, Those (kids) should have never had children. Out partying on Mothers Day. They were not putting their children first!!!!!
If only responsible adults were having children, we would have solved the population explosion a long time ago. It is not the case. We are into a down slope of humans procreating as they cannot afford children, financially or otherwise.
the driver is the one responsible for the accident. The other three were passengers and helpless, at the mercy of the vehicle operator. I'll grant that the passengers could have made a better choice than climbing into a car with an irresponsible or impaired driver but they were out for the evening, young women having fun. Alcohol was likely involved, drinking isn't a crime, but driving while impaired is, and these deaths graphically remind us why that law exists.
Their loss is tragic, that the driver didn't compound the tragedy by hitting another vehicle is the only bit of good fortune here.
My deepest sympathy for the families and children who are suffering their loss today.
In case you are unaware....to get into a car driven by a person who has been drinking is as irresponsible as driving the car under the influence. If there had been one woman on board in that car who was sober, she should have been the one driving or the one refusing to get into the car. The blame is all around.
One other thought, the driver may not have been impaired, sometimes an unexpected medical problem can cause people to lose control of a vehicle. Forensics will ultimately show whether the driver was impaired, until then, judging these unfortunate souls is pre-mature.
Pardon my earlier post.
Nice to see some compassionate and rational thinking here for a change sighber. Even if poor judgment is a cause it's not for us to condemn them even then.
Really Curt? It's because people like us sit back and excuse this type of behavior that it continues to happen. Here's a novel idea; PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Oh I'm sorry. That isn't PC.
Sighber .... it it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and acts like a duck, it's probably a duck. Early 20's??
Bill,
I agree, but I still think we are awfully quick to arrive at conclusions when we don't have all the facts. I know guilty until proven innocent only applies in a court of law (sort of anyway) but we really should wait until all the facts are known lest we draw the wrong conclusion.
You have it backwards--innocent untily proven guilt
Careful and thoughtful planning... knowing full well that they were heading out on the town for a night of partying and making arrangements for a designated driver... these women would probably still be alive to enjoy their kids and family.
The kids dads are going to have their hands full....
"the kid's dads"....... there's a leap of faith.
lillipop
lets assume bill reed is right.
should the children be placed with family or foster care? On one side you have family who didn't get it right the first time versus the other side of the unknown of foster care.
to me one is a proven loss where the other is a possible win.
Another tragedy for the "dumbass" file. You have to be travelling at an outrageious speed to destroy an automobile to the extent it is un-reconizable. And what would cause that? Stupidity, alcohol, drugs, lack of common sense, irresponsibility. It's time the public stops whining and focusing on the surviving children. These "women" were idiots and now somebody else must literally clean-up their mess.
Olde Sarge said it right. They should've been with their kids on Mother's Day, not out partying. I bet the Dads don't go to the strip club for Father's Day this year~ Parenting FAIL!
The focus needs to be on the living. The children will need help to deal with this for their lives.
What no fathers to raise these kids....Imagine that.....Were they working mothers or "stay at home" welfare moms....Drive like a dumb a...die like a dumb, a.....Who names their kids Ieshia or Tyshyra.....
@ Scott and Drago. Take off the white hoods.
They couldn't have hit a "beam" unless they were flying. What they hit was a column. D'Oh!