Snakes, mine shafts challenge crews battling Arizona wildfire

Fire crews are battling five separate wildfires across Arizona, with the largest spanning more than four square miles. The blazes damaged several buildings and have forced hundreds of people to evacuate their homes. TODAY's Natalie Morales reports.

Updated 1:45 p.m. ET -- Firefighters trying to protect a historic mining town in northern Arizona were told to expect extreme conditions Tuesday, with temperatures in the 80s and gusts up to 35 mph that could fan an out-of-control wildfire. 

Crews are facing additional hazards as well: snakes and abandoned mining shafts.

Snakes were a problem at a past fire in the area, Karen Takai, spokeswoman for the fire team, told msnbc.com. No one has been bitten so far, she said, but "we know that could be an issue in this area."

Procedures call for any bitten firefighter to be taken to a local hospital for anti-venom.

As for mine shafts, "there are a lot ... that you don't see because of the amount of brush," she said. 


Add rugged terrain to the mix, she said, and conditions are "extremely difficult."

The National Weather Service also issued a "red flag warning" Tuesday for northern Arizona, southeast Nevada and southern Utah.

Burning south of Prescott, Ariz., in the Prescott National Forest, the wildfire that started Sunday has scorched an estimated 1,700 acres of ponderosa pine and chaparral, and threatens some 350 homes in Crown King.

Tourists who had been in the town left when a mandatory evacuation was ordered Sunday, while homeowners were allowed to stay as long as they remained on their property.

Some 300 fire personnel were already at the scene, and the first of 400 more are coming in Tuesday, Takai said. Six air tankers worked Monday to douse hot spots, and those flights will continue Tuesday.

Two buildings and one trailer have been destroyed, Prescott National Forest spokeswoman Debbie Maneely said.

The blaze, still at zero percent containment, started at a "structure" and was human-caused, she said.

Greg Flores, president of the Crown King Chamber of Commerce, said he helped a couple and their dog flee was the fire "fully engulfed" their home. 

"There were flames over 100 feet tall when we got up there," the Associated Press quoted him as saying.

Flores and his wife fled their home around 2 a.m. Monday when ash began raining down. They spent the night on the floor of his business and have since been able to return home. 

Flores added that the fire had turned a ridge black, destroying much of the forest there. 

Report: Busy fire season expected due to droughts

Crown King is located in the mountains more than 85 miles north of Phoenix, where the fire created a haze over the city on Monday.

The fire was one of several in Arizona since the weekend. They are the first major wildfires in Arizona this year, after a record 2011 season in which nearly 2,000 blazes scorched 1,500 square miles, according to the National Interagency Fire Center.

Another wildfire more than 120 miles northeast of Phoenix was five percent contained Monday evening.

On the San Carlos Apache Reservation, in eastern Arizona, a fire caused by lightning charred more than 1.7 square miles of ponderosa pine, juniper and oak.

A fire on the Fort Apache Reservation burned 575 acres of brush and grassland and threatened a fish hatchery.

The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

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Comment author avatarPigotryExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

do you mean the self-destructive immigration law has spread like wild-fire, or is there a real wild fire? Both are no good.

  • 15 votes
#1 - Mon May 14, 2012 10:27 PM EDT

It works better than california's policy.

  • 14 votes
#1.1 - Mon May 14, 2012 10:39 PM EDT
Comment author avatarIRESPOND-2315268Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

I wonder if the fires are being set on purpose. Many of the laws that the Governor of Arizona has passed are really too harsh. The latest was to totally deny funds to Planned Parenthood. -because they offer abortions- Planned Parenthood is one of the few places where women can get preventive screenings -that are affordable-

She better do not ask President Obama for "assistance" She is tough as nails to bail her own State, without the help of the President. She only has harsh and nasty words for him

  • 15 votes
#1.2 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:09 PM EDT
Comment author avatarmonnie-1108896Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

gov of arizona better not be asking for help; she was seen doing a fly-over of fire site on her broom

  • 19 votes
#1.3 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:35 PM EDT

Actually, most of the huge out-of-control fires in Arizona in the past have more to do with liberal environmental groups preventing forest thinning and logging to save the spotted owl or some silly ground critter on the endangered list. This allows for dense growth providing more fuel for the fires.

  • 17 votes
#1.4 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:53 AM EDT
Comment author avatarArieusExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Mother Nature telling Jan Brewer to getdafuk out.

  • 7 votes
#1.5 - Tue May 15, 2012 1:48 AM EDT
Comment author avatarjustoneguyExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Dry up Arieus....your hate filled comment is worthless.

  • 9 votes
#1.6 - Tue May 15, 2012 2:26 AM EDT

Obamabots getting off on Arizona fires and getting warm tingly feelings down their legs doing the Chrissy Matthews thing.

  • 6 votes
#1.7 - Tue May 15, 2012 3:09 AM EDT

Get the Wicked Witch of the West to drop water on the fires from her flying broomstick.

  • 3 votes
#1.8 - Tue May 15, 2012 5:24 AM EDT

I hope all the conservatives don't expect fire-welfare handout from the federal government. They want to make their own rules on immigration, they should continue to act like a separate state.

  • 6 votes
#1.9 - Tue May 15, 2012 6:49 AM EDT
Comment author avataruaw-779887Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Does anybody know who's Republican bible we are using today?

  • 4 votes
#1.10 - Tue May 15, 2012 8:31 AM EDT

I wonder what would happen if the southwest, particularly Arizona, had to deal with wild fire damage like the southeast has to deal with hurricanes? Would they be asking for gov't assistance and would the rest of the country tell them they are poor, unworthy, unamerican slobs for asking for it? Would the people of Arizona be told they deserve what they get for being so stupid as to build a house there?

  • 4 votes
#1.11 - Tue May 15, 2012 9:11 AM EDT

What would Jerry Falwell say about God's hand in these fires? Oh that's right...Arizona is a red state so he would say nothing. Never mind.

Tad-401841

Obamabots getting off on Arizona fires and getting warm tingly feelings down their legs doing the Chrissy Matthews thing.

What's the matter Tad? Not funny when the shoe's on the other foot? You guys had no problem poking fun at New Orleans in their moment of crisis. Was it funny to you when right wing nuts were making remarks like it was God's punishment for the sins of the people in N.O.? Now expect the same in return.

  • 6 votes
#1.12 - Tue May 15, 2012 9:16 AM EDT

Arizona is hell, the flames prove it.

  • 4 votes
#1.13 - Tue May 15, 2012 9:40 AM EDT

Really? The first comment in response to a wildfire story is .... politics?

What in the Nine Hells does a forest fire have to do with politics?

  • 3 votes
#1.14 - Tue May 15, 2012 10:01 AM EDT

some people with use any thing to spew hate

  • 5 votes
#1.15 - Tue May 15, 2012 10:05 AM EDT

AZChzhd

Stripping away trees, vegetation, and ground cover that keeps the earth cool and allows moisture in the air to condense and form rain is what allows wild fires to flourish. Go ahead and keep killing the forests and watch your state turn into a desert.

  • 3 votes
#1.16 - Tue May 15, 2012 10:28 AM EDT

do you mean the self-destructive immigration law has spread like wild-fire, or is there a real wild fire? Both are no good.

I hire many beautiful hispanic ladies to work in my pancake restaurant. They are selling like hotcakes. Both are sooo good!

    #1.17 - Tue May 15, 2012 11:30 AM EDT

    Your name fit's you to a tee..

      #1.18 - Tue May 15, 2012 11:40 AM EDT

      Your name fit's you to a tee..

      Gulfwar9091, thanks for sharing your opinion of me.

      By the way, you don't need a possessive "s", and the colloquialism is "fit to a 't'," not "tee." *

      Thus, it should read "your name fits you to a 'T'. However, I do give you a lot of credit for not saying "you're."

      *source: 'To a T' dates back to the seventeenth century in literary use and was undoubtedly common in everyday speech long before any writer dared to or thought to use it in print. But it is likely that the name of the instrument, 'T-square,' would have been in print shortly after its invention, yet the first mention is in the eighteenth century. The sense of the expression corresponds, however, with the older one, 'to a tittle,' which appeared almost a century earlier, and meant 'to a dot,' as in 'jot or tittle.' Beaumont used it in 1607, and it is probably that colloquial use long preceded his employment of the phrase..." From "2107 Curious Word Origins, Sayings & Expressions from White Elephants to a Song and Dance" by Charles Earle Funk (Galahad Books, New York, 1993).

        #1.19 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:03 PM EDT

        Having once owned a cabin at Crown King, I am appalled at the hatred spewing on this thread.

          #1.20 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:23 PM EDT

          Alice they learned it from the wicked Governor of AZ, Brewer remember the witch with her finger in the Presidents face.

          We believe in trickle down hatred here.

          • 2 votes
          #1.21 - Tue May 15, 2012 2:41 PM EDT
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          Comment author avatarTerry51025Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

          Most of the wildfires in the West are started by home owners who find themselves upside-down on the mortgage. As for Arizona, I expect to hear that the State Legislature has pass a law that declares illegal aliens are starting the fires by using "Drone-like Kites" with Zippo Liters attached to the kite's tail.

          • 8 votes
          Reply#2 - Mon May 14, 2012 10:35 PM EDT

          I seriously doubt the little cabin in the woods that burned down near Crown King had a mortgage, upside-down or otherwise. If you knew the area, you would know that these are very simple homes that have been around for many decades, and the people who live in them are very self-sufficient and far removed from what you would normally think of as civilization.

          Crown King is a tiny town, about 100 permanent residents, but is loaded with history. 100 years ago it was a booming gold mining town, and there were several others in those mountains that have since disappeared. This is the stuff the wild west stories are made of -- prospectors coming in from back east and from California, working the mines, drinking in the saloons and spending their money in the town brothel. Crown King was a ghost town for awhile from the 1930s-1950s, but has since made a comeback. It was be tragic to lose the whole thing to a forest fire.

          Meanwhile, 5 wildfires are burning in the Arizona national forests. The people who think it's funny to joke about how Arizona deserves this are just sick. These national forests belong to you too, as does American history.

          • 34 votes
          #2.1 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:00 PM EDT
          Comment author avataret-3967104Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

          Your funny as for Arizona they should call that bad a** sheriff to put the fire out Arizona Bahahaha

          • 5 votes
          #2.2 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:05 PM EDT

          Actually most wildfires are started by lightning. And interestingly, many of the wildfires on the Arizona Mexican border are indeed caused by illegal alien crossers, building signal fires or fires to cook and keep warm with.

          • 15 votes
          #2.3 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:08 PM EDT

          Can you guys listen to yourselves? I originally looked at this story because I still have family in AZ, grew up in Tucson, moved away from there almost five years ago when we owned an acre outside Tucson in the boonies.

          Fire spreads really quickly in AZ. This is a human interest story! It's not about IMMIGRATION! I have my own opinion about those issues, but they certainly don't belong here. Get a grip!

          • 31 votes
          #2.4 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:13 PM EDT

          You are so right Aralee, I guess many missed the fact that we had a storm the other day that generated hundreds of lightning strikes, in very dry very windy conditions, but you see, if many cannot find a way to blame this on illegal immigrants or Mexicans , well they will just make stuff up...how sad , some people may actually believe the b.s. and propoganda too, those unfortunate enough to not be able to think for themselves or be bothered to look up facts, it might take 3 or more minutes..geeeesh, everything I read lately is always turned into some political commentaries, no matter what it is!!! What is wrong with people?

          • 8 votes
          #2.5 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:44 PM EDT

          Michelle and Aralee,

          Just get used to the fact that MSNBC is Marginal Sophomoric News with Banal Commentary, and Newsvine is full of wags, scalawags and soapbox orators of all stripes. The fact that they usually don't know what they are talking about never stops them, and the stridency of the diatribe is inversely proportional to the intelligence of the poster. Do what I do .... sit back and enjoy the show.

          • 6 votes
          #2.6 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:44 AM EDT

          And because liberal environmental groups virtually shut down forest thinning and logging just to save some stupid animal or ground critter, when lightning does strike, its damn near impossible to combat these fires due to the dense vegetation providing endless fuel.

          • 12 votes
          #2.7 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:56 AM EDT

          AZchwderhead - Nope. The ghost of Jerry Fallwell told me it was god's revenge on the bigoted right wing POSs who are running arizona as if the republikkkans had already turned the US into the Oligarchy they want.

          God does, like other vengeance seekers, usually kill more of the innocent than the guilty, but that's just the divine order.

          • 3 votes
          #2.8 - Tue May 15, 2012 2:02 AM EDT

          Seriously Terry.....you are so full of it. If started by a human it was either someone burning trash on their property and thought it was out but it wasn't......of some dirtbag that threw a cigarette out of the car window. You are listening way to much to a single source of news.

          • 1 vote
          #2.9 - Tue May 15, 2012 2:28 AM EDT

          hahahahahaha DENVER BILL look in the mirror

          • 1 vote
          #2.10 - Tue May 15, 2012 8:34 AM EDT

          I pray that these folks get some rain to save their houses...

          • 3 votes
          #2.11 - Tue May 15, 2012 9:59 AM EDT

          Ah, I see some people have no sense of humor when it's their a$$ in the fire instead of some place like New Orleans.

          @ Aralee

          Sure Arizona fires are a human interest story but so was New Orleans when they were being flooded by Hurricane Katrina. I'm not anywhere near Arizona nor Louisiana but it rubbed me the wrong way when the people of New Orleans came under attack just because some people said G W Bush wasn't doing anything to help them before or after the storm. People don't forget when they come under attack in a time of need so expect to received some of the same in return so stop crying foul when it happens. As Jerry Falwell would say if this were a Democrat state: "God is punishing the people of Arizona for their crimes against humanity". Live with it.

            #2.12 - Tue May 15, 2012 10:40 AM EDT

            Aralee,

            You have to understand that Arizona has seriously lost a lot of credit with the rest of the country. From its rediculous anti-immigration laws, to its Governor and her stupid statements. They have brought this negative attention on themselves, so if the rest of the country shows a little glee that they are getting a little fire and brimstone, you just have to take it.

            I live in California and have been suffering foolish statements about fruits and nuts my whole life.

            Any issue from Arizona will undoubtably result in "you deserve it" statements.

              #2.13 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:32 PM EDT
              Reply

              Perhaps this is something that should be handled by the individual home owner. We could get the government off these folks' backs.

              • 11 votes
              Reply#4 - Mon May 14, 2012 10:43 PM EDT

              'individual home owners' should be responsible for putting out raging wildfires,burning hundreds of acres of mostly public lands? dude, what ARE you smoking? the government IS the 'homeowner'!

              • 14 votes
              #4.1 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:02 AM EDT

              Stop making sense Allie. Let Glen make all the illogical remarks he wants. (Pointing it out only encourages him.)

              • 9 votes
              #4.2 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:23 AM EDT

              Allie,

              My grandfather used to say, "Never try to teach a pig how to sing. You waste your time, and you annoy the pig."

              • 9 votes
              #4.3 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:45 AM EDT

              Thats why they have Ted Nugget the singing armadillo

              • 6 votes
              #4.4 - Tue May 15, 2012 8:35 AM EDT

              Glen was being facetious. Sarcastic. It was a rant on the small government folks. Imagine if putting out the fire was fee-for-service.

              I got it, Glen.

              • 3 votes
              #4.5 - Tue May 15, 2012 9:37 AM EDT

              Yeah I got it too, except Glen overlooked one significant fact -- this fire, and the 3 others burning elsewhere in Arizona -- is mostly in a national forest, even though it started on private property. That national forest doesn't belong to any homeowner, or to the state of Arizona.

              • 3 votes
              #4.6 - Tue May 15, 2012 11:38 AM EDT

              I wonder if there is a single poster on this site that remembers the very first helicopter presented to New Orleans Sheriff Department in order to help with the aftermath of Katrina was provided by the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department (not the Federal Government), that over three hundred off-duty AZ law enforcement officers arrived in convoy to assist in getting control of the NO disaster. That the State of Arizona provided over $265 Million dollars in Hurrican Katrina relief? That some of us from the AZ NG were deployed there under orders from the Governor (of Arizona) because we never got orders from FEMA or the Federal government?

              • 5 votes
              #4.7 - Tue May 15, 2012 11:58 AM EDT

              Allie22,

              "'individual home owners' should be responsible for putting out raging wildfires,burning hundreds of acres of mostly public lands? dude, what ARE you smoking? the government IS the 'homeowner'!"

              I guess Tea Party ideology takes precedence over common sense! Actually, the humidity has been extremely low here in Arizona lately. It was only 3% yesterday here in Tucson. That's so low that you get zapped from static electricity every time you touch a metal shelf just from pushing a shopping cart in a supermarket. That, coupled with a lack of rain, high temperatures, and high winds, makes for great fire conditions. And we have all those conditions here now. It's really not uncommon for this time of year. I don't really know why it's in the news at all.

              • 2 votes
              #4.8 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:19 PM EDT
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              Comment author avatarstarbuck49Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

              Burn Baby, Burn.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#6 - Mon May 14, 2012 10:47 PM EDT

              What is wrong with you? Seriously! Another is a wildfire burning out of control... again! This happens every year, not just in AZ but in other states as well.

              This one happens to be taking out another piece of not only Arizona history but American history. Perhaps you care nothing about the people of AZ but do actually care nothing about the history of the US???

              • 10 votes
              #6.1 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:59 AM EDT
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              I was born and raised in AZ. There has always been Mexicans in AZ, but I liked it better before all the snowbirds and Californian's began immigrating there, and of course all the indigenous tribal people wish we would all leave too.

              • 17 votes
              Reply#7 - Mon May 14, 2012 10:47 PM EDT

              Mr. Curt -

              Mexicans were there before the Anglos arrived. Quit whining and move to Canadia yourself.

              Cuando llegaste?

              • 5 votes
              #7.1 - Mon May 14, 2012 10:52 PM EDT

              Mario, I wasn't whining about the Mexican's. Reread what I said. Get a grip bud

              • 15 votes
              #7.2 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:09 AM EDT

              Where's Canadia?

              • 6 votes
              #7.3 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:58 AM EDT

              Wildfires spreading across Arizona

              WHO CARES!

              • 2 votes
              #7.4 - Tue May 15, 2012 5:20 AM EDT

              AZChzhd,

              "Where's Canadia?"

              Canadia is that big country just north of the United States. They renamed it. Used to be "Canada". Didn't you hear about that?

                #7.5 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:25 PM EDT
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                This is a job for SKY KING and Penny.

                This is outside of Arpaio County.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#8 - Mon May 14, 2012 10:48 PM EDT
                Comment author avataret-3967104Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                It sucks to be Arizona land of PROFILING let it burn

                • 3 votes
                Reply#9 - Mon May 14, 2012 10:48 PM EDT

                You do know they're finding decapitated heads out here, right? Oh, don't tell me, you thought that was just in Mexico.

                • 4 votes
                #9.1 - Mon May 14, 2012 10:57 PM EDT

                Just publish your address, we would be happy to send you a couple of pregnant illegals and their 6-8 kids. You can pay to house, feed, school, and provide medical care while they trash your house, wave the mexican flag, scream viva la raza and complain that America is not doing enough for them. Of course they will expect you to care for all the baby-daddies who will be bringing a criminal element into your home and aid in popping out some more anchors. And don't forget all the hungry relatives south of the border that will be depending on you to provide welfare for.

                • 11 votes
                #9.2 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:17 PM EDT

                evergrien, actually it is Mexico where they found the decapitated bodies, my god, that was in the paper today, did you read any facts at all? and no, the decapitations Jan Brewer claimed, well she actually retracted her statement, come to find out, it was just as false as yours. This is why people live in fear and hate, ignorance.

                • 7 votes
                #9.3 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:30 PM EDT

                Also, ever...you cannot decapitate a head, that being said , hopefully people will ignore the rest of your innacurate post, probably not though, many people are sick enough to hope this stuff really happens so that one day they will have legitamate reasons to hate and discriminate,,,Aralee...everything written lately tends to somehow bring around political comments, and how stupid they sound...I have yet to read a post where someone is saying illegal immigrants started all of these fires, but it won't be long...for that is the intellect of many people, factless, baseless and full of innacuracies, completely irrelevent, and no doubt someone will feel obliged to disagree with me here, and rather than providing articulate, intelligent debate they will further cater to the stupidity and ignorance ramapant lately by hurling a personal attack at me, probably something they further know nothing about, like my personal political views, how I look, or where I work..or I don't work...Man, how emberassing...spare any personal attacks btw, it does nothing but further illustrate my points...back to the subject...WILDFIRES IN ARIZONA WHERE WE HAVE DRY WINDY CONDITIONS AND A STORM THAT GENERATED HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF LIGHTNING STRIKES...but please let us speculate further...how about aliens from outer space with lasers and Arpaio is hot in pursuit!!

                • 1 vote
                #9.4 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:39 PM EDT

                paramed - You are a greater burden to the local community than any illegal. Their net value to the local/state/federal levels is far higher than yours. They contribute more and consume less than you. So stop spreading the fear, hate and lies to protect your illusion that you are better - you are not.

                • 3 votes
                #9.5 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:45 AM EDT

                zz- what part of what I posted is not true? You need to pull your head out of the clouds and realize what this illegal invasion is costing the state of AZ and the nation. When you are supporting a family of illegals yourself I wonder just how much they will benefit and enhance your life. And, of course, just ignore the fact that entering the country is just the first illegal act, then comes identity theft, drug and human smuggling crimes along with a bunch of little things like never getting car insurance, working under the table, trashing stores and public areas, and availing themselves of public services they never contribute to. Yeah, don't know how we ever got along without them! ROFL

                • 3 votes
                #9.6 - Tue May 15, 2012 1:02 AM EDT

                Care to show me where you get your facts from? I would love to see the statistics that illegals net values at ANY level are higher than the average working citizen! WHERE do they contribute to society? A lot of them send the money they make - IF they are working back home to Mexico. How is that helping local/state/federal levels?

                I have no issue with anyone coming into this country and becoming a legalized citizen. I don't care what race, creed, religion, etc they are. What I DO care about is the "legal" aspect of it.

                • 3 votes
                #9.7 - Tue May 15, 2012 1:08 AM EDT

                Actually Michelle, there have been decapitate bodies found in Arizona. I was born and raised in West Phoenix and halloween night 2010 there were 2 bodies in the middle of the main road decapitated. Everyone who was traveling that road had to pull over into a Circle K. The Circle K right next to Phoenix International Raceway.

                The illegals flood that place, and run through the washes. Sometimes at night it would look like a scene from a zombie movie. As soon as night would fall, dozens of illegals come out of the washes and walk around the streets. And the drug cartel is all amoung them. My parents had lived in a well off area, yet weekly there were dead bodies on our streets. So I'd have to say a mass majority of people who think the drug cartel isn't coming up thru our borders, and are not creating confict with Americans more than likely has never lived there. I'm only 21 and I realize that open borders are a bad idea. I don't understand how people can be so blind and not think that terrorist and drug cartel won't come up our borders. Well more than they allready are.

                Yes there are good illegals who just come here to better their lives. However not all of them are good. Open borders open it up to both good and bad.

                • 1 vote
                #9.8 - Tue May 15, 2012 2:55 AM EDT

                Michelle Trew Quinn, you obviously know it all. You know everything that isn't in the national news. You know all the local news. You know the rescent history of what's been happening in AZ. Thank you for your ignorance and stupid comments showing how little you actually know. Heads have been found in AZ also. But hey, you don't care. You are happy staying in your own little piece of the world remaining ignorant to things but trying to act as an expert on things you know nothing about.

                  #9.9 - Tue May 15, 2012 1:22 PM EDT

                  mon90 wrote:

                  I don't understand how people can be so blind and not think that terrorist and drug cartel won't come up our borders.

                  We're a bit off-topic but the drug problem can be contained -- and we can save money as well -- by legalizing drugs. We may have a few more drug addicts.... but that is a manageable problem. An interminable and counter-productive war on drugs is not.

                    #9.10 - Tue May 15, 2012 5:31 PM EDT
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                    Comment author avatarMark-740159Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                    If Arizona was now governed by a Democrat, the right wing nuts of the gop would be claiming the fires are punishment from God for bad policy.

                    • 8 votes
                    Reply#10 - Mon May 14, 2012 10:58 PM EDT

                    oh my. you ARE an idiot! And that is from a man that has fought wildfires for over 30 yrs... yer very special Mark!

                    • 9 votes
                    #10.1 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:04 PM EDT

                    I'm with Grady...you are an idiot Mark. The fires in AZ happen every dog-gone year. It is DRY there. I grew up there, and even though vegetation is not dense, it's so dry that any spark scource makes it go up. Grady, you have my sympathies....over twenty years ago I roomed with three volunteer firemen in NY, not the hot bed of fire response, yet when they got called out...and let me tell you at 3 am with three different radios going off at the same time it's in stereo, happening two to three times a week, you don't get a lot of sleep. Not to mention that you don't get a lot of sleep after they come home and share with you the stories of what they've seen. My hat's off to you.

                    • 6 votes
                    #10.2 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:24 PM EDT

                    I'm confused. Did God start the fire or not?

                      #10.3 - Tue May 15, 2012 9:44 AM EDT

                      Do you really think God gives a sh*t about this place? He gave us everything and we destroyed it. I guarantee you he's moved on to bigger and better things.

                        #10.4 - Tue May 15, 2012 4:13 PM EDT
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                        i cant belive you people cant realise peope lives are stake here

                        • 15 votes
                        Reply#11 - Mon May 14, 2012 10:59 PM EDT

                        belive it!

                          #11.1 - Tue May 15, 2012 11:26 AM EDT

                          realise it!

                            #11.2 - Tue May 15, 2012 4:16 PM EDT
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                            Its just a fire.

                            Northern AZ is a forest. Forests have trees (Fuel), Trees make oxygen, and AZ is hot.

                            Fuel + Heat + Oxygen = Fire

                            Its not rocket surgery, people.

                            No need to color it with your demented personal agendas.

                            • 12 votes
                            Reply#12 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:03 PM EDT

                            Rocket surgery?

                            • 1 vote
                            #12.1 - Tue May 15, 2012 10:46 AM EDT

                            Don't pay attention to that. He was an in-flight missile technician in his prior life.

                            • 1 vote
                            #12.2 - Tue May 15, 2012 11:23 AM EDT
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                            OK according to this MSN story at least 2 fires are burning ... one is 120 miles from Phoenix. Is that the closest town? According to the way the story reads it was only 5% contained TUESDAY evening. Hmm so MSN now reports news a day ahead? Or was this last Tuesday, last month, or last century?

                            • 4 votes
                            Reply#13 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:05 PM EDT

                            Actually there are 5 forest fires burning in our forests right now. This one near Crown King is not even the largest, but it happens to be one that started in a structure -- a cabin or an outbuilding behind a cabin -- and among the 5 fires, this one threatens the most number of homes & businesses -- an entire historic "ghost town" in fact.

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                            #13.1 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:21 PM EDT

                            Black Canyon City is the closest town, I believe, to Crown King. Crown King is very isolated, a great place to get away from the heat and just unwind from life.

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                            #13.2 - Tue May 15, 2012 1:37 PM EDT
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                            Immigration policy? Sheet there is no immigration policy other then they do what they want.

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                            Reply#14 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:05 PM EDT

                            I am sorry Just, who does what they want? Is there some policy about wildfires and immigration that many of us must not know, or am I on the wrong message board?

                            • 3 votes
                            #14.1 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:48 PM EDT

                            If you're looking for logical thought, you are on the wrong message board.

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                            #14.2 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:34 PM EDT
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                            I worked on the Wallow fire last year and saw plenty of forests in the north left to burn. these idiots trying to make wildfires a political statement have never been out there on them. That is where we truly all pull together for a common Good, whether the Govenor is right or left or even the crews does not matter! I made lasting friendships with the Apache and look forward to seeing them again this year.

                            • 13 votes
                            Reply#15 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:08 PM EDT

                            Good comment thanks

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                            #15.1 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:15 PM EDT
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                            It really should be on the homeowners. No where in the constitution does it say the state should fight fires in open land. It is true. Besides, the firefighters are probably union slugs.

                              Reply#16 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:10 PM EDT

                              The national forest is federal land. State firefighters participate, but the feds call the shots.

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                              #16.1 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:23 PM EDT

                              Buffaloes, that just sounds ignorant to me. Have you ever lived in AZ? Um, and while I'm not a Union supporter in any way, shape or form, do you actually have any idea what firefighters do? I roomed with three VOLUNTEER firefighters a long time ago, heard and watched what they did, the committment that entails, to help others, all without ANY pay. I have an ex-brother-in-law who is a paid firefighter in AZ. They sacrifice their family in order to take care of all of us. Where is your sense of community? Blame is just so easy.

                              • 7 votes
                              #16.2 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:33 PM EDT

                              It was a joke. Every time the police or teachers ask for anything..."union slugs".

                              • 2 votes
                              #16.3 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:59 PM EDT

                              So let's see Buffaloes, you are saying that you don't like the 40 hour work week or weekends off or overtime. All of which were brought about by unions. Or did you think companies did it out of the goodness of their hearts? These people who often fought with their lives for the standard of living that you and most of the workers in the country have only because of the fight fought by the unions before you. You are saying that these people deserve your derision even when you admit it doeswn't apply. That's one hell of a joke! I bet you tell undertaker jokes at funerals too. Some people just let any garbbage slide out of their mouths, even after they have admitted it is garbage. Talk about an obvious case of anal-crainial disease...

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                              #16.4 - Tue May 15, 2012 2:47 AM EDT

                              No sarcasm, Buffaloes. People don't know whether to hate you or vote for you. It makes it difficult to spew. People need a side.

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                              #16.5 - Tue May 15, 2012 9:48 AM EDT
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                              homes are in danger, that meams people. i hope they are all safe and that the fire gets under control soon. i fear it will not with the predicted high hot winds tor tomorrow.

                              the desert is a beautiful place, far different than the beauty of coast or mountain yes, but it is beautiful none the less. fires do open the land for better growth. i just pray no person is injured or killed.

                              • 9 votes
                              Reply#17 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:10 PM EDT

                              Why does politics have to be brought into this? This is a story about 2 fires going on in Arizona at the moment...people are losing their homes and property, not to mention the fire fighters who put their lives in jeopardy to protect what most people would run from. Get off the immigration and political side of things and go out there working on the fire lines yourselves if you are so high and mighty in my opinion..

                              • 7 votes
                              Reply#18 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:21 PM EDT

                              wtf does politics and illegal immigration have to do with a fire???

                              • 4 votes
                              Reply#19 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:29 PM EDT

                              This is the world we live. Critical times hard to deal with, will be here. 2 Timothy 3:1-6

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#20 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:36 PM EDT

                              Because they think that politics and government are the anwer to all of human's problems. Is it? Have they been able to solve our problems?

                              • 1 vote
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                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#22 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:42 PM EDT

                              "Govenrmet and patent obstacles have cost me over $30K in development at patenting cost to get nowhere."

                              I'm thinking your marketing strategy may also be an impeding factor.

                                #22.1 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:03 PM EDT

                                Dude,

                                Have someone who understands and can write English look at your post before you put it out there. You could have the 100% cure for cancer, but if you advertised it like your fireproof stuff, you would die penniless.

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                                  #22.2 - Tue May 15, 2012 1:28 PM EDT
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                                  Wrong Buffalo chip, these firefighters are not unionized. Just ordinary people doing a dangerous job, something cowards like you would run away from.

                                  http://forestry.about.com/od/forestfire/ss/s_canyon_fire.htm

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                                  Reply#23 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:44 PM EDT

                                  Call Smokey Bear!

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                                  Reply#24 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:45 PM EDT

                                  The fire near Crown King, named the Gladiator fire, started in a home. The homeowner barely got out alive while rescuing his dogs. This from azcentral.com:

                                  The Gladiator Fire was caused by a house fire that ignited a propane tank. Neighbors of the home saw the tank explode.

                                  "When the propane tank went off it just exploded into a tree and the fire then rolled up the hill. It went 500 yards in, it seemed like ten seconds," said Kevin Nell, who lives next to the house.

                                  Nell and Margaret Henningsen, both neighbors, say they watched the homeowner climb out of a window. The man narrowly escaped the blaze, they said.

                                  "His wife got out first but he stayed in the house to get his dogs. He ended up having to kick out the bars of a window. He handed the dogs out and then crawled out. He almost didn't make it," Henningsen said.

                                  For two hours, Nell used a hose to drench is home in hopes of protecting it from the flames. So far his house has been spared from the destruction of the fire, but he doesn't know for how long.

                                  Nell evacuated the area on an ATV late Sunday night.

                                  The largest fire is burning 20 miles south of Payson in Tonto National Forest. The Sunflower Fire has scorched 3,100 acres. No structures are threatened by the flames.

                                  The Elwood Fire in the San Carlos Indian Reservation has burned about 1,150 acres as of Sunday night.

                                  The Bull Flat Fire was caused by a lightning strike on Thursday. The fire has burnt about 700 acres near the Canyon Creek Fish Hatchery on the Fort Apache Indian Reservation, as of Sunday night.

                                  A fifth fire was contained on Sunday night.

                                  The Slaughter House Fire, 3 miles south of Kingman, was officially contained at 10 p.m. Sunday. It burned 89 acres, according to Lori Cook, a spokesperson for the Bureau of Land Management's Kingman office.

                                  Several firefighters will continue to watch the area to control the hot spots. Residents who live near the area may see smoke from these hot spots for the next few days, Cook said.

                                  These fires could be signs of an active fire season ahead, following up a historic wildfire season in 2011.

                                  Eight-six wildfires consumed a total of 365,000 acres of U.S. Forest Service land in 2011.

                                  The Forest Service has released new information about their recommendations for two fires from the 2011 wildfire season that received a lot of public interest.

                                  The Forest Service has recommended the closure of the investigations into the origins of the Horseshoe 2 and Monument fires.

                                  Investigations into the origins of the fires show that both blazes burned in locations frequented by undocumented immigrants and narcotics smugglers, but authorities said they couldn't find a specific cause.

                                  The Forest Service is suggesting both cases be closed due to lack of evidence. The Monument Fire case could be reopened if additional evidence or leads are discovered.

                                  The Horseshoe 2 Fire was originally reported on May 8, 2011. It burned almost 223,000 acres and destroyed 23 structures.

                                  The Monument Fire was first reported June 12, 2011 and burned 32,053 acres and destroyed 84 structures.

                                  Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/05/14/20120514arizona-fires-continue-burn-around-state-abrk.html#ixzz1uuHPQgny

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                                  Reply#25 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:50 PM EDT

                                  I am concerned because my best friend's daughter lives Arizona. Otherwise, I have no concern. The govenor and state legislature have done their level best to demolish the principles that we as Americans hold dear. To Arizonians who do not support Jan Brewer and the right-wing retards in the state legislature, I wish you all the best. Beat this fire! To the Brewer and Arpaio supporters, burn in hell. This is what you wanted--to not be supported by your sister and brother Americans in your time of need. You got it, kids? The Brewer and the right-wingers do not want their fellow Americans' support. To the rest of you Arizonians--wishes of blessings and safety. We are with you!

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                                  Reply#26 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:52 PM EDT

                                  More politics, LOL! I guess the elk, deer, rabbits, squirrels, black bears, etc. that live in that forest should've voted differently. I have no love lost for Brewer or Arpaio, but unfortunately forest fires don't follow political lines.

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                                  #26.1 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:59 PM EDT

                                  and that is the sad part--the animals, who have done nothing bad to human kind and suffer so much without knowing why. The right-wing Arizonians have said that they don't want support from the rest of the country,and don't believe in our form of government or support our institutions, so they can go by themselves to biblical la-la land. The other Arizonans are people to whom we offer our support and condolences as fellow Americans.

                                    #26.2 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:13 AM EDT

                                    Pattie, please don't misuse the word "retards" -- it's so 1960s, in addition to which it offends a lot of innocent people who are through no fault of their own born with Down's Syndrome and try their hardest to keep up with the rest of us.

                                    Why not just say what you mean, and call a spade a spade? There's no reason to hold back.

                                    Here, why don't I just say it for you:

                                    Right-wing nut jobs are paranoid schizophrenics with multiple affective disorders and delusions of being the only ones in the room who are sane. Most of this is a result of inbreeding, brainwashing, sexuality repression (a la Marcus Bachmann), and ingraining an attitude of "the world's going to end in December anyway, so <bleep> it, let's git 'er done" in their children.

                                    There. Simple, no? That's how we do it back in Brooklyn.

                                    And <bleep> them too, if they can't take a joke.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #26.3 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:16 AM EDT

                                    My apologies, Warren. You are right to admonish me, and I say this as the only sibling of a person who has suffered for the last 40 years with paranoia and schizo-effective disorder, whom I rescued and arranged treatment for, and who I will do my best to look after for the remainder of his life. This is how we were brought up to do it in northern Jersey .God bless Brooklyn, except for when I'm stuck on the BQE.

                                    And <bleep> them too, if they can't take a joke!

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #26.4 - Tue May 15, 2012 12:37 AM EDT

                                    these fires, which are far less than last year's, have nothing to do with politics--left or right. So Pattie, what the hell are you even babbling about? Just like to see your name in print, I guess.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #26.5 - Tue May 15, 2012 5:09 PM EDT

                                    These people haven't been in Arizona I guess - it certainly is brushy where the fires are.

                                    To provide some balance:

                                    Investigations have proven that some fires (not all) are caused by illegal immigrants and drug smugglers. This fire wasn't because those fires are along the border. We can't blame every fire on the Mexican Nationals who are here illegally. But it is true they have caused many of them.

                                    It's not political because it happened just as often when we had a democrat for governor and before SB1070. Fire doesn't respect any political party. Hard left, hard right and all colors of people suffer just the same.

                                    Environmental policies have contributed to the problem a little bit, because it's near impossible to clear brush and undergrowth from around small communities, which make it easy for fires to spread (for an example look at how Mt. Lemmon burned, even after it almost burned a year before and we had a second chance -they still wouldn't thin the forest - it burned to the ground, trees, community and all). People need some ability to do some common sense thinning near structures - the government needs to make it easier to do responsible thinning.

                                    God isn't punishing Jan Brewer or Gabby Giffords - Matthew 5:45 says "He (God) causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.".

                                    It's not the NRA's fault; it's not the AFL-CIO's fault. Name calling will not help. A lot of good people, however your ideology defines them, will be hurt. It never helps to cut your nose off to spite your face (in this case our National Forest and Arizona respectively).

                                    If the government policy (regardless if it's Pres. Obama's or Pres. Bush's policy) makes it impossible to thin accumulated dry underbrush near communities, fires (caused by lightning or human or Klingons) will burn up toward and through communities. If you thin around communities, fire can be controlled and it will burn around them. It's as simple as that. It's not rocket (science or brain) surgery.

                                      #26.6 - Wed May 16, 2012 12:53 PM EDT
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                                      Islam - setting a forest fire near your home soon!

                                        Reply#27 - Mon May 14, 2012 11:52 PM EDT

                                        Darn wrong,

                                        That idea will come from Domestic Taliban, with NRA bumper sticker.

                                          #27.1 - Tue May 15, 2012 4:39 AM EDT

                                          Wouldn't it be simpler, and more honest, for you to just say, "I hate all Muslims"?

                                            #27.2 - Tue May 15, 2012 6:46 AM EDT

                                            ThaKhanKubla has a point. Our patriotic media has been suggesting that Islamic terrorists would use forest fires as a means of attacking us for quite some time. Thanks for giving them the idea MSNBC and friends. And Jack335. I can only assume that your last name is ASS.

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                                            #27.3 - Tue May 15, 2012 4:03 PM EDT
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