I smell a rat!

Pattern recognition is good. How many tearful press conferences have we all seen, and then it turns out a parent at the press conference did it?

I thought it was odd during the first televised statements from the parents that the father just could not force 1 tear down his cheek. His voice was whiny but no real emotion.

I saw what was either an interview, or a plea for her safe return, by the father on the Today show 1 morning, & he said (about his missing daughter) "she was" but he caught himself & corrected it right away saing "she is" I wondered if ANYBODYELSE caught that he waid "was" as if she is no longer alive. I dont parents lock their kids's bedroom windows(especially in Arizona)??? also I've heard them say her window screen was "moved" to the side?? if somebody is going to climb in a window why would they take the time to move it rather than just take it off,& the father's 911 call? he doesn't seem real scared, or excited/frantic that he needs police there to help?! I dont think that "well all people react differently under stress" thing would hold true with in minutes of discovering your child is missing, maybe days-weeks later after a person has had time to think about what's going on to calm down a bit, but right away?? NO WAY!!

And if there is a fire, your child will be locked in a bedroom by L brackets. Wake up, Mike!

If the father can no longer see his sons, the police must suspect he had something to do with this. "L" brackets will do nothing to stop a parent from killing their child.

Oh, yes, this disappearance is DEFINITELY because GOD was taken out of PUBLIC SCHOOL. If you want your kids to learn all about God, send them to religious school. Why is that such a hard concept to understand, Mike??

Because Mom every ones moral standards are going down as a whole society, people who believe in religion don't stand a chance in the next few years. It will be segregation on a whole new level.

It's amazingly horrible how hateful people get on some comments on here if someone mentions god or prayer.

Someone writes, I pray for the safe return....or I pray for the family and they get bombarded with comments on how ignorant and horrible they are for believing in god.

They are expressing a very sweet and sentimental comments with all good intentions and condolences to the families...if you don't like it read over it and move on.

yes,I agree,back than,we said a prayer before lunch,and there weren't any child kidnapping.world was great.now gay weddings,beheading,raciest real bad.drugs out of control.IM glad I was born in the fifties,because it was great back than,and I will be dead before the world gets real bad.but your rite.god is good.and I'm not a religious nut either.lol

Peb09moo27..(#3.1)..."And if there is a fire, your child will be locked in a bedroom by L brackets. Wake up, Mike!"

Had to respond....FireFighters won't be worried about the noise a big crowbar would make forcing the window open...or to just break the glass out. Millions of city dwellers have Fire Department Approved Burglar Bars installed on their 1st and 2nd. floor windows.....and the ones going all the way up outside fire escapes...I know, I've installed hundreds of them....

You know not of what you speak....

Better yet, fire all the judges who make rulings against good fathers to be excluded from their children without good cause. I had my divorce in Las Vegas, where the courts are full fem... any logical judge would have granted me full custody, but of course the woman gets it again despite overwhelming evidence that the contrary should have been ruled.

The story is about a child who is missing and, who knows, maybe even dead. And you (j70141) use this as a forum to b!tch about the damn women judges who didn't give you custody in your divorce. That doesn't do anything but help me form a negative opinion of you: it's not about the kids, it's about you and the axe you have to grind against your wife / all women.

Tucson Police Chief Roberto Villasenor said the girl's father, Sergio Celis, had agreed not to have any contact with his sons, who are now in the care of their mother, Rebecca Celis.

2 + 2 = 4

How about taking your man-hating femi-nazi liberal ravings somewhere else...

Because they are responsible in many cases.

allison, have you ever looked at the statics regarding missing children and how many are family related vs actual abductions by a stranger?

Because in so many cases it is the parents, family member or close friend to the family. Google the case of little Robert Manwill in Boise, Idaho. It will chill you to the bone. Roberts mother's boyfriend killed him by weeks of abuse, and the mother knew about it. His dad had custody, lived in another town & was court ordered to send him there for summer visitation. The boyfriends favorite form of "discipline" was to do the "dead bug" on Robert (made him lie on the floor on his back, arms & legs in the air, then he would drop his whole body weight on Robert's torso). After he killed Robert, the boyfriend & Roberts mother (who later confessed) filled his pockets with rocks & dumped his body in a canal. But until his body surfaced, they put on the grieving parents act & appeared with family on tv pleading for his return. So yeah, we tend to look at the parents first.

How do the parents "seem" clean?

The chips used on pets are not used to locate them via satellite, etc - they are simply "read" by a scanner and the information about owner/contact info that is related to that chip's signal can be accessed, but the animal must first be located, captured and scanned with a device that is capable of reading that particular type of chip.

Actually, it would come in handy for situations where the identification is difficult ( morbid but makes sense ) or in an instance where the child was unable to identify himself ( injury, perhaps.) Kids don't usually carry IDs around.

You still have to physically locate and have in hand the creature that was microchipped, schoolyard - they are not tracked by satellites!

I don't think it's as easy to remove as you think - we talked to the vet about having the one in our dog removed and were told it was pretty intensive surgery.

DH has often said he would have the children microchipped with the GPS locators they use for cell phones if it was available.

I have to say, even as much as I worry, I shudder to think of the abuses if we were to start consenting to being chipped. Every move we make can be tracked now thanks to the GPS in the cell phone, but at least we can put it down or leave it behind. Imagine what could be done with one that couldnt be removed.

@Schoolyard;

Maybe you should get a pet or something that can be caged. Sounds like you cant handle the responsibility of watching you children, you probably shouldn't have any. A-holes like you are responsible for loss of freedom at every level. I'd personally rather see them execute the pedophiles than micro chip the population.

If the practice of chipping people becomes too mainstream, what is to prevent the government from making it mandatory for all citizens, regardless of age in say.. 30 years or so.

If you think things like facebook selling your information to advertisers is bad now, imagine the day when the government decides it needs more money, so it begins selling the tracking numbers for implanted microchips to businesses... I for one do not want to walk down the street and be innundated with advertisments from flatscreens installed all over the place, trying to sell me things because I happened to buy something related to their product at one time or another.

I do not agree with microchipping people with tracking systems in any way shape or form. If they do somethnig heinous, like the sicko that took this poor child, then yes GPS ankkle bracelets all the way.

Not to be overly morbid, but wouldn't the psycho-maniacal killer just cut the kid open and take the chip out?

The chips can migrate too! That is one reason they are hard to remove. Read about it.

Just sayin'...

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They're are keeping them apart in an attempt to get independent testimony from all involved. They do not want the father tampering with what the sons might say. I share in the hope that this child might be found. If she cannot be found here on earth, surely the Angels have hidden her away in Heaven.

My first thought was maybe the dad has enemies and maybe that's why the girl was taken. Just my opinion though

I want to know why dad was so calm when he called 911. Who's calm when their 6 year old disappears without a trace?

Erin, in the community, MANY have questioned that. Rumors are rampant that 'dad' is a 'bad boi' with...ahem... drug connections. I live in Tucson, and am a little closer than some others. Also being questioned is that right from the first, dad gave his 'speech' in both English and Spanish, leading some to wonder why? In Tucson, most people may be bilingual, but still speak enough English to get by.. Leading to rumors that 'Dad' KNOWS that the person(s) who may have his daughter, speak only spanish, which is a reasonable conclusion, living this close to the border and spill over (or DIRECTED) violence! Good call!!!

All children are adorable in their own way, whether they are physically cute or not. If it were an "ugly" child that was missing, I don't think it should make a bit of difference. We all have our gifts and talents, and beauty is not one of them for many of us.

Very well put Dustin. I think the same thing. Children in our world are often treated like garbage; literally used and thrown away. I love my kids more than anyhting, but I feel bad that they have to grow up in such a sick world.

The child was (in her mind) sleeping, and the mother was leaving for work - the father was there and meant to be the responsible adult --- what is so wrong with the mother not looking in on a sleeping child when the other parent is there? One of my children is a very light sleeper, if I am leaving the house at an odd hour I do not enter his room/open his door because it will disturb his sleep. I don't see how you get the conclusion that she is a detached parent because she did not go into a sleeping child's room before leaving for work in the morning..........

I knew that someone would find a way to blame the mom for not checking on the child before she left for work. Someone always does. Somehow people think moms should be in constant eye contact with their children, even when they are sleeping or under the care of another parent.

Of course it is not impossible the mom is involved in the child's disappearance, but if so, it is because of foul play, not because she left her child in her husband's care while she left for work. Millions of moms - and dads - do the same thing every time they leave a sleeping child behind when they go to work.

I think it is sick to blame the mother based on that little bit of trivial information. Really? Have you no compassion or realization that not all children can sleep through an opening door or the mother had to get to work to support her family?

Avi, another good point! I work where Mom does, and trust me, we aren't THAT highly paid! At 25 and 27, both away from home, I STILL check on my kids as often as I can! I hate to think that the 'rents atr involved in any way, but I keep flashing back to Susan Smith....

The mom feels guilty that she didn't check on her daughter before leaving for work, it is a natural response now that her daughter is missing. It does not mean she was involved.

By my screen name, I clearly have children and no in the summer when they are out of school I do not go check on them before leaving for work. I did when they were infants/toddlers but the youngest being 6 yrs old; I do not feel the need to check on them. As a parent I hope I never have to check to make sure my children weren't kidnapped in the middle of the night. My husband has his office at our house so there is no reason to chance waking them up by going into their rooms.

I would. By no means am I going to form a lynch gang and go all FLA residents-casey-anthony on him, but I am willing to believe he is on the top of the list of suspects. The boys would not have been placed with their mother if police believe the father was OK to custody them. Perhaps they saw something, or perhaps the police believe the father could be training them on what to say or preventing them from saying too much. Powell case anyone?

please note the use of the word perhaps. I am assuming, yes. and no there has been no arrest or trial so the dad is innocent. But my guess for a forums sake, is going to say that the father has something to do with this.

Yep the Powell case comes to mind for me too! Sorry, after the Powell case & the case of little Robert Manwill in Boise, Idaho, let alone the Kaylee Anthony case, who would blame us for suspecting the parents first?

Mum was working. When Mom is a nurse, she is generally the main wage earner. I know this because I am one! But I DID check on both of my daughterw before I eft for work, and got them up for school. When they were this young, and Dad was off, I was in close phone contact with him..about their care.

What puzzles me is that this case has just dropped off of the edge of the word! No new updates, no new info.. Frightening!

You might want to know that looking at the usual hysterical, tearful behavior of parents, who inspite of their missing child are carefully dressed and made up for the TV-show, raises eyebrowes for many people in countries other than the US. Don't jump to conclusions just because someone behaves differently from what you would like to see.

I think that phone call was a cornucopia of verbal forensic evidence. For instance, he deflected responsibility for noticing the window being "wide open" and the screen being off to his son. "My oldest son noticed..." It's the sort of thing that anyone would notice immediately upon walking into the room.

A person would normally say, "She wasn't in her bed and the window was wide open and the screen was off!" Because those are the facts that suggest to the police that it was criminal. This is, after all, the initial 911 call to report a missing girl. Why mention that this other child was the one who noticed it? But the person who actually did those things would unconsciously distance themselves from the act.

Metta, you are over thinking it. No information has been shared to ascertain guilt, everyone is just assuming. Different people react in their own way to a crisis. I have seen people giggle nervously, cry uncontrollably and become angry at all the wrong people. Just because he mentioned his other child does not mean he was trying to detract from himself, he may have just repeated an experience. Wait until there are actual facts and actual evidence.

I find his 911 call suspicious but his mannerisms in interviews even more so. He gives off the same vibe I got from certain "evangelical preachers" before they were exposed as criminals. He watches the journalists he's talking to with a look that's almost eager, like he's anticipating what they'll say so he can put on the right reaction. His wife just sits there with her hands in her lap, shooting him sideways glances. When asked direct questions about his involvement, the man seems to have trouble keeping his eyes open. Only he's not wincing or crying... He just gets narcoleptic, smiling and blinking slowly. Very strange.

I doubt anyone will ever be convicted based on how they expressed themselves - or their body language - but these things are certainly considered when narrowing the focus for an investigation. Because we give ourselves away subconsciously. There are typical tendencies when one is lying - just as there are typical tendencies when one is telling the truth. They're not evidence, by any means, but these "vibes" of which people frequently speak are possibly based on a visceral reaction to very real cues. Except that research has actually identified a number of these cues and speech and body language can now suggest a potentially fruitful investigative direction.

Where are the links to click on to hear the tapes?

I like watching movies, too, but my vote is for a wooded area within 2 mi of the home--and the dad did it.

(Taken is a kickass movie, though.)