I grew up in Orlando, not the same when I visit. I moved to the Mid-West, small quiet Mayberry and don't miss the sirens and "firecrackers" at night. FL Crackers are good, it is the influx of fugitives. I just killed somebody or I did this, time to get out and go where?? Florida of course........

I would agree with Ivan on that, from my personal experiences working all over Florida for two years. I was in MORE fear for my life in Ocala, where there were shootings at BOTH the hotels I stayed at, than I ever was in Miami, staying well on the west end.

And central floridians, all I can say is wow.

And of course the marvelous climate for most of the year - 100 degree days and 100% humidity. Yes, living in what is essentially a tropical swamp is my idea of real living.

oh please give me a break. I'm sure this never happens in New York, Illinois and California, get over it! So you hate Florida, who cares!

South Florida should just be a separate state. Like North Carolina and South Carolina. North and South Florida are vastly different places.

Hallen:

Actually, South Florida is more North Cuba.

I know most of you don't care about others, but can't some of you express at least a little sympathy for the innocent children? Children look to their parents for protection and trust that their mothers love them.

This crazy whack job betrayed that trust and I hope she gets justice in the next life. I also pray that God will bless these kids and the family left behind. I am sure the father is devastated.

The headline for this article on MSNBC main page doesn't have the name of place where happen..I figure it was Florida... was correct after clicking on the link.

Its the heat down there doing this no doubt!

Lived in Deerfield Bch for fifteen years. Hated the Hatians and liked the Cubians for the most part.

Ivan: If I am not mistaken the Mc Duffie riots in 1980 and the Overtown riots in 1982 were not made by Cubans. Why don't you stop with your hateful ranting? As a matter of fact, Miami Beach (and Miami in general terms) owe their revival to the drug trade of the 80s, otherwise it would have been a dead city. That is true, people like Al Capone and Richard Nixon used to live in Miami too (good crop, buddy). Why don't you talk about the Russian mafia installed in Miami Beach? Why don't you talk about the segregated Miami, where African Americans had to go to Virginia Key because they could not use Miami Beach? That Florida you are referring to? The one where all the mafiosi hid after Fidel kicked them out of Cuba? The problem with Florida is the same problem that all big cities have. Too crowded (Florida hold the number 4 spot in population in the US), high unemployment (there are not many jobs for so much people) therefore higher crime rate. Or by sheer chance you think that this is a consequence of immigration from abroad? Bundy, Aileen Wournos, John Ashley, Gary Krist, they don't sound foreign to me...

@1.5 Ivan Miami, you just described why most people who grew up in Florida hate South Florida which should may as well be sold to Cuba. The New York attitude and it was cool till you got here amkes me sick. You know spit about central florida and your delusions towards a 72 year old lady who was born and raised there are way off. Oh, if you ever watch the "catch the murderer" show 48 hours MIAMI is always featured, pass on that cesshole down there.......

Kayner...I hope that is sarcasm.

The father must be going crazy. I don't understand how a parent can kill their own child.

And to think they still trusted their mother after all and went back to the house. I hope the family can find some solace somewhere...although I have no idea where that would be.

uhhh did anyone even read the article or did you just see florida and decide to complain and argue about it? this horrific article shows just how callous we have become as a nation. this kind of activity no longer surprises us, sometimes doesn't even surprise me. having said that, infanticide was legal in many countries until the 1700s. killing ones kids has been around since the dawn of man. it was legal to kill your infant in England until 1904 or 07 i believe. i forgot which year.

I can't understand how the neighbor would let those children even leave his house. One was already wounded and the idiot waited until after they left before calling 911. What's up with that?

WTF? These weren't single digit small children, they were teenagers! I would've been out of that house before she even loaded the gun. What were the kids retarded?

I was thinking the same thing tombones as well as the neighbor actually letting them go right back into that house.

I live in South Florida and have for a very long time. If I jump on another news worthy, headline grabbing crime story from Florida I am simply going to move. These days when I see a headline I immediately look to see what State the crime was committed in. Way too many crimes in Florida! AND women killing there children? How in the world does this happen. Complete nuts!!

Hillbilly heaven at its finest.

thats ok discordia you are not alone with your lack of empathy in this nation. You are just another person contributing to the downfall of american society. im not crying either... but its still sad, only a monster would state otherwise.

p.s. look up sociopath it might be a relevant term for you...

keep living on your underserved pedistool. you think your better then anyone else? well your not. im just sad its innocents dying and not people like you clearly more deserving.

@Discordia. My feelings exactly. Bad sh!t sometimes happens to people. Sometimes there is no way around it.

"We celebrate mediocrity, because we are too concerned with everybody's feelings."

That pretty much sums it up. Too many bleeding hearts that want to sugar coat everything and just make everything all better. It's not going to happen. It is hard enough to worry about and provide for and protect the ones you love. Tough break for that family and community but tomorrow there will be some other lousy act or catastrophe somewhere and this one will have been wasted tears.

do you know what seperates humans from animals? a highly developed frontal lobe for advanced social interaction. empathy and "bleeding heart" mentalities seperate us from other animals. i am happy to be an evolved member of the species thank you. if caring for my fellow man is a fault, im guilty... and proud to be. its a much better and more productive way to live than dog eat dog. truly sickening. now that i have said that i will be abandoning this "interaction" with you because you have already wasted 5 min of my time and im not going to allow anymore of it to be wasted on you.

Saint Angr:

Hillbilly at it's finest? Try again, Florida population is made up from every state in this nation! They bring their own lousy driving records, their crime from every other state, their rudeness and expect the Floridians to live with it. I would imagine you're one of those that come to Florida and expect the citizens of Florida to conform to you. Get over yourself and get a life.

But it'll be entirely different when (not if) you need help, right Discordia? And you will, one of these days. We all do at some point or other.

I am a Florida native, as my parents and theirs. The only changes I have seen is in the corrupt government taking over with too many liers, I mean lawyers in their pockets. As for the people, it is their morals that have changed; or rather lack of. Children having children and then letting the children run their lives and think the world owes them. (no discipline) I know all walks of life have crime; but as a bystander I must say that most of what I see come from immigrants, aliens, and illegals. Different parts of Florida used to be tourist attractions and beautiful, but certain groups from elsewhere not only have taken over these beautiful areas, but have trashed them in different ways and ruined them forever.

Since the economy woes, most all the natives have lost their jobs. I have relatives and friends all over the state, and 45 out of 50 have used up their unemployment and and savings and are not counted by the government. They assume we have jobs because we used our unemployment up. Most of us have lost our homes and cannot even afford rent. We do not even recieve the end of the year head count (sensus) we do not own or rent. 10 of the 50 live in the woods with their families. Only the aliens can recieve the subsidaries, as if we have relatives here, we cannot. They are expected to take care of us. This has become a way of life.

If any crimes are committed by a native; I would have to say it is because they are at wits ends and do not know where else to turn. I know of no murder, just roberies etc. You can pay in your whole life to taxes, SS, welfare.....and when you need help.... where is it.

Not venting..... just contributing!

Discordia;

There is a difference between facing the facts of the world and being a d!ck. Some people are messed up and do need help. By no means does it justify the things some people do but have some compassion. No one is asking you to shed a tear nor is anybody asking you to write out some post explaining how unfortunate this was but jesus christ dude. You're just being completely ignorant.

My compassion is the compassion that a lioness has for lame gazelle. Life isn't nice, or fair, or pretty.

What an asinine comment. Stop pretending to sound intelligent. When you make a comparison between an act of survival in nature to a mother shooting her four children, you show your ignorance.

The living world is comprised of predators and prey. If you are not one, you are the other. It doesn't matter if you don't like the rules, because we are all forced to play the game.

I don't go around kicking puppies, but I'm not going to bare my throat either.

...and I'm certainly not counting on strangers to help me.

Hey Aristotle, just because you post cliche after cliche after cliche doesn't make you a philosopher.

That's exactly the point. If all you northerners would quit coming down here, then we wouldn't have all these problems. It's the wackos from up north that come down here and shoot em self in the head. Us locals are livin the dream

hmm really?? it's just northerners?? So since it's just us northerners that are "wacko" how come here in ND our crime rate went up after people from the south started coming up here to work in the oil field?? Okay I shouldn't say just from southerners coming up, as it's been people from bunch of other states, but still. There's wacko people all over, don't be so ignorant. I'm not thinking that Fl. is so horrible, it just happens to be that the news only finds it "newsworthy" to report on crimes in that state. I'm sure there is other crimes like this in other states that they just chose not to report on or don't hear about. Either way, it doesn't matter where this took place, it's still a horrible thing to happen. If she didnt want to live then she should have just offed herself & not ended her children's lives before they even really truly got to live them. RIP to the kids & condolences to their father & remaining family.

Guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people.

Thanks to "Stand Your Ground," all she need do to avoid prosecution is to claim she felt threatened.

Oops . . .

Thanks to "Stand Your Ground," all she need do to avoid prosecution is to claim she felt threatened.

I don't think most states bother to prosecute corpses.

Is it Discordia oo Distort-ea?

Stand your ground, b****!

Did anyone notice the article states cops had been called several times because the kids had been terrorizing the neighbors? Perhaps the Mom decided to put an end to that behavior in the only way she knew how.

@Sandra Brooks......Where do you think you are gonna go to get away from this sort of thing? The moon? Get real, this $hit happens everywhere on THIS earth.

??? Anyway, she is out of the gene pool. To bad she didn't think to rid the earth of herself before she had those poor innocents.

GOD this is disgusting! I will NEVER understand the parent that kills all the babies, then self, massacre. If you are that miserable, take your own damn life, leave your precious children behind to LIVE THEIR LIFE! I hope they don't honor her wish, and only cremate her and bury the children next to their other family members. This "mother" should not get her wish granted.

Is it time to ban handguns?

Wow Discordia,

I might've taken you seriously if you could spell. But alas, mediocrity at its best is...limited.

By the way, I know you're going to provide a witty barb about my parentage or some other kind of nonsense in response to this (and I do hope you'll make use of your spell check this time, then at least it will be worth reading), but I arrogantly submit that, while you may not have anything to prove, you're still a preening jackass :)

Love you darlin'

Betty

Discordia, I totally agree with you. Those of you who disagree, please leave this to those people willing to face reality.

It was prolly some white NRA nut case that snuck into th house did them in and snuck back out making it look l ike the mom did it!!!!!!!

I was waiting for someone to say it!! Blame it on the NRA some how!! Be interested to see if the gun was legal!!!!!

Out of crack no chicken,lets shoot the kids

I get so angry at these selfish, self-centered and self-absorbed people who think that they are the only ones who matters...... Her children deserved to live their lifes even if she didn't want to.

I understand depression, it is something I would NOT wish on my worst enemy. For me it was like being in mourning 24/7 ..... not because of someone else but because I was still alive. Even at my worst, I could NEVER have murdered my husband or my kids and deprived them of the chance to live their lives.

@Discordia,

Right, because it's asinine to acknowledge the fundamental way the world operates.

I don't need to pretend anything. Unlike some preening jackasses, I have nothing to prove.

I pity your reading comprehension, because it is surely lacking if you think I made any comment comparing "an act of survival in nature to a mother shooting her four children."

Hmmmm...the fundamental way the world operates? I not sure where you were born or who raised you, but I was raised to have compassion for my fellow human being and it's not OK for people to behave like this and the world does not operate this way except for neanderthals like you. Please don't pity RM205's reading comprehension because they were right on. Not respecting the value of another's life is EXACTLY why people do these things. I would not be surprised if a future headline read as...

"MORON, AKA DISCORDIA COMMITS MASS MURDERS"

I sincerely hope you're just having a bad day and just venting because I PITY anyone that is subjected to you and your twisted thoughts and I pray you haven't procreated or plan to.

My hat's off to her. She knew her kids were Satan's spawn and took matters into her own hands. Not many have guts enough to know their offspring are evil and will grow into a murderer so they take them out before they can do others harm. Her special way of "cleaning up he neighborhood". People in PSJ can rest knowing their home or car won't be vandalized by her kids anymore.

@Hallen94, Florida is a state where the more north you go, the more southern it gets.

I grew up in this state.

I dont feel nuthin fer them kids neither I'm intelligible like discordia, as to the question of do people actually read the article? I would, but it takes away from time I should be spending arguing on newsvine

Hey Discordia,

I never saw no animal walk on the moon or design and fly an airplane or any of the other millions of human acomplishments like reading and writing and art etc...

So I contend that humans are waaaay far superior and above animals.

michael thats a real intelligent comment

Florida - specifically starting and south of the Tampa/Orlando/Cape latitude - is chock full of northern liberal transplants that have voted Democrat liberal, ruined their states and cities with failed policies, and moved South. They are the reason Florida went Blue and voted for Obama in 2008 (NC went blue just from ignorant know-it-all college kids).

But hey, let's look on the bright side here. Even the useful drones (useful to Obama) down there are awakening from their thrilling leg feelings, passing out feelings, and general star struck glazed-eye approach to Obama. The media is not reporting any negatives on Obama (and like in 2008, nothing about his background), like his pal who's head of JP Morgan and those 14 White House visits.

Having said all that, just remember this: it was just three Florida counties that the Al Gore camp wanted to recount, all located in South Florida, and all leaned Democrat. The Bush camp counter-offered to have the state recount ALL counties, but the Gore camp rejected that offer and it was turned over to the state Supreme Court for a decision. And the rest is history. Three Democrat counties may have very well have cost Gore the election victory had the entire state been recounted. But, as several independent political studies have shown, including one from that radical right wing news channel ABC (/sarc off), Bush would have won Florida in an entire state recount anyway, so the issue of "Bush stole the election" is pointless.

Point being back to this story...plenty idiots abound in Florida, and many of them aren't native Floridians.

I would not be surprised if this was another case of someone on one of Big Pharmas psychotropics snapping.
My prayers to the family members and friends.

I am sure this will be used by the anti-gun crowd to demonize guns. When law abiding citizens are disarmed the only people with weapons will be criminals and government and as history has shown in many instances those are not always seperate entities.

To RM205, I think Discordia is more of a fan of Marx and Engels, not Aristotle.

What kind of a sick, hateful degenerate and sorry excuse of a parent does something like this? Also, what about the neighbor who hears gunshot, has three kids run to their house, one of which is injured and simply lets them return home when their mother calls them? Also wonder about the person who says he read the text after finding out about all of this. I don't care what kind of troublemakers those kids may have been, some of these damn neighbors should have picked up the phone. No doubt there was domestic problems for quite some time. What senseless and awful deaths. Rest in peace kids and condolences to the loved ones left behind.

Cheer up folks - watch a little Dancing with the Stars, that will make you feel better. You all know that by the time you get to the next article/thread that you will be telling everyone how great America is :)

Ground Hog Day - starring Jhawke. It's the same thread hi-jack every day.

I don't understand how a parent can kill their own child.

Millions of women seem to have no problem killing their children. Think of it as a particularly late term abortion.

"Children" don't live in the womb. But, I seriously digress.

This woman could have cured most (call it 80%) of the problem here by just SHOOTING HERSELF FIRST. I could go further by wondering about "Well. gee, maybe this could have been prevented if HER mother had utilized the option of abortion", but, well, that would have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with this.

I love all you holier than thou yankees spouting your crap. Take a look at yourselves. New York, New Jersey, Cleveland (if there is anyone left there), Detroit, Chicago, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, and you have the gall to call us violent and backward thinking? Adjust your mirrors.

@Discordia

Developing your intelectual side is wrong, when to do so you have to dehumanize and strip yourself of your connections with the human race.

Our Source Is One of Love, Not Condemnation... When you pay attention to the way you feel, and deliberately choose more thoughts that feel good while you think them, you will begin to recognize the nature of your Broader Non-Physical desires. The majority of negative emotions that you feel are not because the subject of your thought is wrong, but instead, because you are condemning something that your Source does not condemn. Your Source is one of love, not one of condemnation.

--- Abraham

Nothing more needs to be said........

tombones

WTF? These weren't single digit small children, they were teenagers! I would've been out of that house before she even loaded the gun. What were the kids retarded?

it would appear so.....

Wow Discordia,

I might've taken you seriously if you could spell. But alas, mediocrity at its best is...limited.

'k, what was it exactly that I supposedly misspelled?

By the way, I know you're going to provide a witty barb about my parentage or some other kind of nonsense in response to this (and I do hope you'll make use of your spell check this time, then at least it will be worth reading), but I arrogantly submit that, while you may not have anything to prove, you're still a preening jackass :)

While I do hate to disappoint, I have no interest in exchanging barbs with random internet twaddlers.

Love you darlin'

Betty

Smooches,

Eris

Hmmmm...the fundamental way the world operates?

How is this a question?

I not sure where you were born or who raised you, but I was raised to have compassion for my fellow human being and it's not OK for people to behave like this and the world does not operate this way except for neanderthals like you.

Bull@!$%#! You are lying to yourself, and the world. Your compassion is a paper-thin veneer that helps you sleep at night. You pay lip-service to the childish notion that we can all live happy, healthy lives if we just follow some bull@!$%# golden-rule. The truth is that you are one really bad day from killing and eating your fellow man. Civilization is the lie we tell each other so that we can live crammed together in relative peace, but the truth is that we are all snarling savages.

Please don't pity RM205's reading comprehension because they were right on. Not respecting the value of another's life is EXACTLY why people do these things. I would not be surprised if a future headline read as...

People do these "things" because they are mentally ill, desperate, hopeless, or wrathful.

You don't lose sleep over the thousands who die every day that you never hear about, and that's because you don't actually give a @!$%#. You just like to pretend you do.

"MORON, AKA DISCORDIA COMMITS MASS MURDERS"

Clearly you stand on the moral high-ground when you resort to name calling.

I sincerely hope you're just having a bad day and just venting because I PITY anyone that is subjected to you and your twisted thoughts and I pray you haven't procreated or plan to.

That's fine. I'm happy that you revel in your pathetic notions, since someone needs to flip my hamburgers. My child will be the surgeon performing your kid's gastric bypass, or the CEO laying them off.

à tout à l'heure,

Eris

Wow! Maybe if so many weren't obsessed with Discordia, they might have noticed Jeanette's hateful post:

"My hat's off to her. She knew her kids were Satan's spawn and took matters into her own hands. Not many have guts enough to know their offspring are evil and will grow into a murderer so they take them out before they can do others harm. Her special way of "cleaning up he neighborhood". People in PSJ can rest knowing their home or car won't be vandalized by her kids anymore."

Wow. (shaking head)

Wow. So many hating on Discordia............Did any of you see this hateful post from Jeanette:

"My hat's off to her. She knew her kids were Satan's spawn and took matters into her own hands. Not many have guts enough to know their offspring are evil and will grow into a murderer so they take them out before they can do others harm. Her special way of "cleaning up he neighborhood". People in PSJ can rest knowing their home or car won't be vandalized by her kids anymore."

Wow. (shaking head)

...Did any of you see this hateful post from Jeanette...

Have you considered the possibility that the poster you quoted is being insincere? Perhaps she should have used the sarcasm tag.

I see nothing in her post to indicate sarcasm.

I guess ya'll can go back to hating on Discordia.............he/she seems ok with it.

I'm outta here.

Peace!

Discordia....you sound like a total weirdo....go get some professional help.

I would venture to say that if you ponder the most negative things as Discordia claims to do, you will end up broke, depressed, and on medication. The key to happiness is to focus on accomplishing things, doing what you like to do, and stop fixating on making the lives of others as miserable as possible. People who mind their own business will naturally settle into the life they are most suited for, plus they will be happy doing so.

There's mention of cops being called to the house due to problems with the kids, and the oldest was 17. So, if the 17-yo had been shot by a neighbor as an apparent "problem teenager" would the people who find the mother's or neighbor's actions incomprehensible be cheering the shooter?

Families get overwhelmed sometimes. Horrific things happen. They happen in Nebraska and they happen in Florida.

Hillbilly at it's finest? Try again, Florida population is made up from every state in this nation! They bring their own lousy driving records, their crime from every other state, their rudeness and expect the Floridians to live with it. I would imagine you're one of those that come to Florida and expect the citizens of Florida to conform to you. Get over yourself and get a life.

Fairly accurate if you had included "and every third world nation". Not implying that, as a blanket statement, no enrichment has been made by the many, but noting what my 50 years have seen the transformation, which has occurred across this Once Great Nation as the worst of the worst continue to pile in without distinction.

Native born, but both parents were from elsewhere(Virginia, Jamaica). I have watched SoFla turn to an overdeveloped @!$%#hole Banana Republic, though the old Cracker Days had its own set of unique issues.

Keep dragging Our Society down instead of uplifting those lifestyles and surroundings of Others' Worlds. The American Dream as it stands today...

Run here if you won't fix it there. And then f it up here as well.

Great Plan.

BTW, this woman and her family seem to have been pretty much dregs of society.

As always with these things, I can't help wondering: Why start with the kids? Killing should start with yourself -then- other people. Get the order right, people!

Maybe she was mentally ill and couldn't get help? It was Florida - we all know how empathetic the Governor is there.

Couldnt get help? Seriously? If she had walked into ANY hospital and said she was thinking of killing her kids and herself, trust me, they would have helped, probably for free.

some people look at the world as not being a good place and want to leave it. if they feel strongly enough about it to kill themself then they probably feel strongly enough about to , in their mind, not want their kids to have to suffer through fostercare and the other things that would follow the parents death. depression is a hell of a problem. sad it came to this.

Hatr, may I commend you for your compassion, even in the light of such a horrific act. Honestly, considering my thoughts and comments on this matter, it is humbling.

There is help all around and most of it for free. I agree with MrFrost, the moment she said she was thinking about killing herself and her kids she would have gotten help. There are multiple suicide hotlines, multiple internet sites that help, multiple people that care enough to do what they can, she just didn't want the help. What a tragedy for her poor children, may they find peace.

Yea she look tired, drunk or high...but i guess when you start popping out kids at a young age it get tiring...and from what the neighbor said (which I find totally hilarious) it don't look like she had control of dem kids! "The cops have been called to that house many times because the kids were terrorizing the neighbors" hmmm

that was some evil eye, could have even scared the devil.

-and the religious freaks and politicians claim that gay people should be allowed to adopt and parent.

This is very sad and tragic. Who really knows what was going on inside this woman's head, but I can almost bet it had to do with finances and a deadbeat dad. People are known to end the lives of their kids and themselves when there is no help available to and for them.

Would you rather watch your kids starve to death slowly, or end their misery quick with a bullet.

RIP little angels, and the mother as well.

Calling this pile of sh*t a coward is an insult to cowards everywhere.

The way she looked in the mug shot, she should not have had custody of any kids in the first place.

The fact that she had a mug shot meant she shouldn't have had custody of any kids...

Every day another murder suicide. Men and women and young people from all walks of life and economic situations, are more and more quick to pick up a gun and shoot. Once was a time when desperate folks tried killing themselves, and sometimes could be talked out of it. Now, folks just pick up and impulsively shoot--not just themselves, but innocent family members.

Our children are growing up thinking this sort of thing is almost normal, they hear it in the news so often. How can you even rationalize it? Our society is fraying at the seams, people. We need to ask ourselves some hard questions as to why we are becoming such a violent society. It's extremely disturbing

We need to ask ourselves some hard questions as to why we are becoming such a violent society.

Actually, violence is at record lows and has been falling for decades. This kind of thing happened ALL THE TIME in the past, you just didn't hear about it all the time because the news was mostly local, word-of-mouth, and delayed.

Wait---I'm not THAT old. I grew up reading newspapers, watching TV, listening to radio. The news was NOT just local, hon. Believe me, suicides happened all the time. But mainstream, middle class families were NOT killing themselves and their children at the drop of the hat like they are now. Never did you here about teenagers going on rampages in their schools. It was the psychopaths that did stuff like that, people on the fringe. Not anymore.

If we fail to see this, then we fail to acknowledge the reality. If we fail to acknowledge the reality, we stand no chance of changing it. We end up just rationalizing it in order to avoid asking the hard questions

Well damn.

Here is what I think:

We seem to judge everything and everybody by how they/it looks. If having children was divvied out based on looks, there would be way fewer children in this world.

In Florida, if she had told someone what she was going to do, she would have been jailed--not helped. Remember, Florida was one of the states that sued so that poor people could not get healthcare help.

I agree with the person about gun control. We see it extremely easy to pick up a gun and kill another human without forethought or afterthought. As we live by the gun, so we will die by the gun.

Yep. No one here knows the truth yet. Something terrible happened to that family, that is the truth. It is unlikely that last desperate act of hers was the start of it. A black woman with four children never has it easy. The system drives single mothers out of the home, away form the children when they most need her. I know. The system tried to do that to me too. I refused, so I am utterly poor, but my son is good. He doesn't run wild, never would want to harm someone else or their stuff intentionally. Is putting himself through college. You who judge so easily, beware, that fickle and unsubstantiated focus will turn on you next.

I cannot believe the cruel, hateful things that people say. First of all, our President had nothing to do with the woman killing herself and her four children.It's not just in Florida, it is the entire United States. Our Country is in terrible trouble and it gets worse every day. The republicans are determined to degrade, destroy, defame and humiliate the poor and unemployed citizens of the United States. When you are poor, hungry, mentally ill, or just need a helping hand, FORGET IT. As Newt said, "take a bath and get a job." Pull yourself up by your boot straps but guess what, there are many who don't have boots! Things are not going to get better, in fact, you will see more and more of this. So many of OUR fellow human beings are so down on their luck they give up. I am so sick of hearing about Republican family values. What values? Could someone explain this to me? You cannot have an abortion, woman are too stupid to make decisions for themselves because a bunch of gray-haired old farts said so. Excuse me, if you demand we have children, then why are you cutting Medicaid, food stamps, EDUCATION, Medicare, etc. I would like to take issue with the gentleman who was defending George
Bush. The missing votes were NOT from South Florida. Jeb Bush lives in Miami, as well as Charlie Christ and others. The votes were absentee votes that were not counted, (on purpose.) Jeb, George's brother, was having a tryst with Kathryn Harris, who was in charge of the voting process. She conveniently decided not to count the absentee votes giving the election to the man who destroyed our country, who started an unnecessary war killing so many of our wonderful servicemen, embarssed us in front of the world with authorizing torture, deregulated Wall Street, mortage companies, banks, but they worst, giving tax breaks to the rich. I don't know about you but our tax rate this year was 28% and Mitt Romney's was 13%? Is this what the United States of America has come to?

I do not care what religion you are, what color you are, where you live, there will always be horrific crimes. We all need to stand up and say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!! The Bible in all faiths clearly states, "We are our brother's keeper." "The poor will always be among us."

We all have our own opinions and thoughts and though we don't agree, it is useless to defame others. Looking at this woman ugly thoughts entered my mind. Black, poor, uncontrolled kids, but let's not forget "sweet little
Casey", white, upper class, who tortured and killed her child and walked. Go figure.

Apt discussion Marsha. And, it appeared there was some previous domestic violence with the father. While considering context does not make this right, as innocent children have been killed, we must ask ourselves, what conditions contribute to such atrocities.

Epidemic:

Parents or Parents killing their children and then themselves. Guns seem to be flowing. Where are they getting them from?; are there background checks, are they stealing them? Don't blame this on Attorney General Eric Holder.

Why is this happening. Much of it in Florida, now Washington State---Illinois as well.

Could it be the bad economy; people so frustrated, mentally ill, pedophiles, abductions. Little girls disappearing every single week, then found dead.

Crime must be going sky high in the US---I've never heard of killing a complete family before.

The States need to individually find a way to stop these senseless crimes. Broken families, homeless, no work, and weariness. What has happened to today's Society? Checks on families of Welfare should be continual. It also happens in upscale homes, but not at this frequency.

Our Source Is One of Love, Not Condemnation... When you pay attention to the way you feel, and deliberately choose more thoughts that feel good while you think them, you will begin to recognize the nature of your Broader Non-Physical desires. The majority of negative emotions that you feel are not because the subject of your thought is wrong, but instead, because you are condemning something that your Source does not condemn. Your Source is one of love, not one of condemnation.

--- Abraham

Knowing this comforts me about the entire ordeal.......

Wow Discordia,

I might've taken you seriously if you could spell. But alas, mediocrity at its best is...limited.

'k, what was it exactly that I supposedly misspelled?

By the way, I know you're going to provide a witty barb about my parentage or some other kind of nonsense in response to this (and I do hope you'll make use of your spell check this time, then at least it will be worth reading), but I arrogantly submit that, while you may not have anything to prove, you're still a preening jackass :)

While I do hate to disappoint, I have no interest in exchanging barbs with random internet twaddlers.

Love you darlin'

Betty

Smooches,

Eris

tam, both my father and i are bipolar and he has attempted suicide before so it's a problem i've seen first hand.

How can any parent, shoot their child with intentions of killing them?? How?

Are you asking for advice?

What children? The article said that she may be the mother of four children - nothing about the children being shot.

You are right. I guess I just read into that.

It also does not say that the children were young. The article says that a woman was found on the lawn, then there were more shots inside. So they could be an older woman with adult children.

"Police: Florida mother kills 4 children, then herself

A Florida mother killed her four children and then shot herself Tuesday morning as Brevard County, Fla., deputies closed in on her Port St. John home, authorities said.

Deputies said the mother, identified as Tanya Thomas, 33, sent a warning text message to a friend before the shootings, but the friend didn’t see the text until later.

Three of the children, at least one already wounded, fled to the home of a neighbor who had been awakened by gunfire, but Thomas immediately called the children back and killed them, sheriff’s spokesman Tom Goodyear said."

The above post was meant only for clarification, as the article has since been updated.

All I can say in defense of this woman is at least she saved the state of Florida the cost of trying her ass in court, and paying for her prison term.

Those poor children. That poor father. So often one or the other will kill the kids in revenge against the other partner. To punish them.

Sick people out there. It's just getting more and more so. I don't understand it.

Mother was 33. Oldest child was 17, youngest 12. Simple math: She had the first at age 16, and three more before she was 21. No father in the home.

Just another example of children having children, and the stresses that it places on the family unit.

I would be willing to give good odds that some liberal freaking judge gave her custody of the kids when her and the father split because they would be "better off" living with the mother. . . . . . . .

Obviously NONE of you people who say there is "help", live in Florida. There is NO HELP for any of the poor, mentally disabled or the homeless. There are NO JOBS and Florida will not even help anyone by way of food stamps or assistance. There are not even any food banks around in most of the places. If she would have gone to the hospital they would have turned her away.

I live in Florida and I know how bad it is here. It has been shocking to me, how this State doesn't even take care of its own. Shocking...... and disturbing. People are getting DESPERATE here. I came from Washington State and there was assistance there for the poor and destitute, but in Florida, they'll just throw you under the bus... Governor and all the Polititians made sure, that the only people here that benefited were the wealthy.

Michael Manley, you are a complete racist, bigot ass-hole.

SLINGER: BS, have you tried or just guessing!!!!!!!!!

Michael Manley, I hope you rot in H3ll !!!

HadEnough "Just another example of children having children, and the stresses that it places on the family unit."

Seriously???? That is about the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. Like that's the reason?? If she was going to kill her kids because she was too "stressed" from having her first at 16 and being a young mother, she would have done it when they were babies.. Not when the oldest is almost an adult. It said she was 33, how could it be more stressful now than it was when she was 16? The article says that they have not determined a motive to the killing- so everyone should quit trying to "figure" it out. "Maybe its depression". "Maybe its cuz she had a baby at 16". "Maybe its this, maybe its that".. HOW ABOUT TRY: MAYBE ITS BECAUSE SHE WAS A PSYCHO! A LUNATIC, CRAZY, OFF HER ROCKER, HIGH ON DRUGS, OR INSANE! Those are all more likely excuses to me and sounds a little more practical. This is a horrible story no matter what the reason is. To take the life of your children, there is no excuse. What ever happened to lead up to her shooting one of her children is irrelevant, she shot herself and all of them because she had already gone too far. Her kids would have been better off in foster care obviously. And I know I would rather have my kids get wrapped up in the system than them be dead, so that surely is not a very good excuse either. As far as them going back to the house- they probably didnt know know what was going on at the time. They probably heard the gun fire & ran and once they saw their mom all calm like they thought it was fine. Who knows. If they really thought something was terribly wrong- like their mom was trying to kill them I am sure they would not have gone back or at LEAST would have said something to their neighbor. If they were too "scared" to say something, they would have been too scared to leave the house in the first place. Its just too bad no one acted and got there a little sooner. RIP! 17, 15, 13, & 12 is just too young to die. :(

Michael Manley, time might have proved you right in some if not all of your above stated assumptions. We will never know. But one thing is certain; it is a pity you lacked the human decency to keep your racist(?) comments to yourself upon the occasion of this sad human tragedy.

Scratch that! Michael Manley just topped that! You are by far the most ignorant person on the planet. Congratulations!

The article stated that the father was "separated" from the home, which means he probably lived in the home until recently. I don't know if she did this to get revenge or she was a nutjob or depressed, we will never know. Did anyone also put together that the children may have been "terrorizing the neighbors" that way because of the things that were going on in their home? Maybe their way of getting attention in the hopes that someone would come and REMOVE them from MOMMY DEAREST!!!!!

Once again we have no idea what was going on in that house before it came to this today. Sorry for the children, they never had a chance.

SEX-EDUCATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what, michael mentioned, one less vote for obama, thats what really got you all upset, isn't it?

@okihadit, I was thinking the same thing, lol. This lady shoots her four kids and everybody on here is just ho-hum another murder-suicide...But state the obvious and everyone goes bananas. Just because you're politically correct doesn't mean everyone else is. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that just about every black person that voted in the last presidential election voted for Obama...It's not racist to state the obvious, what's racist is...VOTING BASED ON COLOR!

Learn what the term "racist" really means and get back to us. Please and thank you. Racism = Prejudice + Power to subjugate another race. By definition an ethnic minority can not be termed "racist". Bigoted or prejudice, yes. Racist, no.

We can all look as this as outsiders and judge or we can say a prayer for them. The fact is that this woman and her family are gone. I hope that they're at rest now.

EricB2, I agree that the term racist is thrown about by the press. We are all part of the HUMAN RACE. My wife tries to stress this to her students in her biology classes. When I see the term Race on an employment application I get annoyed brcause ethnicity is not race. I have met many good hearted people from many cultures in our country.

I agree. Shoot yourself first and then see if you still want to shoot others. What a bunch of greedy self-centered people!

Clearly they weren't loved.

Clearly they weren't loved.

Especially Pebbles - she didn't even get the J-name treatment.

Poor kid. She'll always be JPebbles to me. :(

Floridians, blame your state representatives and legislaters that YOU vote into office for all the "lackies" that you say are corrupting your state. They are the ones who initiate and pass the legislation that set your state laws. If you don't want this type of press from all the unwanted "crazies" then get out and vote for people that will defend your beliefs that don't support a "Wild West" mentality.

Reaper...you're pathetic

Blake...they probably were...and maybe, for some reason, the mother felt they were better off dead.

No one will ever know the real reason.

trakay...please list the people who support the "wild west mentality" that you state. Please list the laws that were passed that are to blame for the death of these children.

I don't know of a single one. No one is in support of a person killing children. It isn't the laws that killed the children, it was this woman. She is the ONLY one to blame for this. She made a choice, set it in motion hours in advance when she started texting. She was bent on killing, and I have no doubt would have found any way to accomplish that goal.

So stop trying to make EVERYTHING political...or at least those items that you believe support your own political and theoretical beliefs.

Eric60watts, I think what has happened here is unspeakably horrible. I think my post went under the wrong sentiment. My post was directed at the people on the blog who claim Florida has gone to hell in a hand basket because of three strikers and transplants from the northern states. People migrate to Florida because of the ability to "start over" and the posters on the blog are blaming those folks for all the crazy s8%t that happens down there. I was merely responding to those ludicrous notions by pointing out that the lawmakers in their state are what make that so and they have a right and a responsibility to moderate that by who they elect into office. Finger pointing in our culture is becoming a national past time.......

Eric--You and I both know it's Bush's fault.

Because with a gun and multiple bullets it would be silly to just use one of them when you can kill many. By-the-way, if she shot herself first she would not have the joy of killing others????

Slinger: Disney World, Sea World, and Universal hire people every day. Universal just hired about 600 people for their new parade and the new attraction. Lego land just hired. There are plenty of jobs out there, maybe not big paying but enough to get by.

bluepanther20

Reaper...you're pathetic

Oh come on... that was a good one. Fine, how about this one, then:

"Of course they found Pebbles in the front yard, that's typical Florida landscaping."

NoPossibleAnswer

Poor JPebbles.

+1, bro. JPebs4Lyfe (well... I mean, you know)

kind of like the planes in 9-11 huh? Pretty easy to fight back

I suspect that if there was any way to get an accurate count, there have been more people killed with hands or maybe rocks.

People have been killing people for hundreds of thousands of years, guns have been a round for a few hundred.

a knife can do much more damage than a gun against flesh targets and its quieter all you have to do is make sure you know haw to get a good edge on it, also a knife doesn't run out of ammo and can remove whole parts from your target if your skilled or lucky otherwise you have to use a rifle to get the same effect and don't get me started on swords the only good thing about sword injuries is there's a straight cut to stitch up instead of a hole unless it's serrated than your screwed. also don't even bother running because a sword/knife when properly thrown can cut someone in half(sword) or wide open(sword/knife).

All dribble; every syllable!! I was in a knife fight once, with 3 guys, I overcame them with just my two bare hands. Only cowards use any weapon. Real men use their fists; punks, being afraid of their shadows, don't have enough back bone to be MEN!!!

right and i have been to the moon. the people who you fought were probably amateurs at best and were cowards as well for fighting in a group to begin with, an experienced blade wielder doesn't approach in group he'll come straight for you and aim for whatever is nearest first usually starting with hands first than going for vitals and a sword wielder aims for limbs than the head, torso and waist as circumstance dictates and depending on how sharp the blade is, i have seen blades that can cut through a whole frozen hog skull with meat in it in one swing, just imagine what it could do to a person or animal.

Good post and I agree with that. However, people that get to this point are usually not in sound mind and body and don't recognize the consequences of their actions. For the most part, I don't believe sane people can pull this off.

I think you have it turned around. While you're looking at life as this grand thing that should be enjoyed the person on the other end is looking at it as a form of hell and looking for a release and believe it or not often times don't want to just take themselves and take family as well because they're scared with what they are leaving their family members to deal with and don't want them to end up suffering.

I think they sometimes use their victims as a way of forcing themselves to commit suicide. They do something so horrible that they can't live with it in order to find the nerve to kill themselves. I agree with the posters who say "start with yourself".

It is likely, she killed the children to send a message to the people that are still alive that she wanted to hurt. Namely: her ex husband, and society in general. I think most people would extrapolate that. Of course you would need to have empathy to extrapolate this concept.

Well said.

Good post XD..I agree. If you want to kill yourself. DO IT. Just don't kill your kids, your wife/husband/whatever, beforehand.

Why is it the nut jobs always kill those they say they love? It is selfishness to take another life because yours isn't so great, just had a father in Colorado shoot his 4 year old son and then took his own life, that is satanic and proves how selfish the person really is. Nothing is worth killing those God has given you, cowards and the devils children all do this for self.

You are sooooo right. These acts are satanic, and it is time for everyone to realize that they had better turn to God.

Hey ya'll...the fact if the matter is, NO ONE knows, nor will anyone ever know, why this woman did this. No one knows why some people crack and kill themsleves, kill someone they love, or just deal with it.

that is a stupid and ignorant comment...

Thanks, Steve-Retired USAF, for saying that in a far more civil manner than I would have managed. Thank you, too, for every day and night you gave to the USAF, and, indirectly, to me.

Stand by my comment. They quickly would have found out there were others in house & yet they just wait (hear shots, etc.) and then go in hours later (just like at Columbine).

These guys are armed to the teeth. What good are they if they can't (or won't) save people who are in the process of being murdered?

I also thank 'Steve-Retired USAF' for his service. I might have served with him myself.

Paul in KY-

You know nothing about SWAT tactics. And yes, I do, before you say something even more stupid. Hostage situations are generally ended peacefully, because the police take the time to find out who is inside, what they are up against, motive, etc., etc.

Dimwits like you would do nothing other than get people killed by rushing into unknown situations. If you ever find yourself in the same situation, and I hope you don't, you can thank the SWAT team when they save you. These are highly skilled and trained officers and they deserve better than to have you second guess them.

I dont understand why kids would come back after fleeing.

Paul in KY

"As a SWAT team arrived, officers heard gunshots inside." That mean SWAT team were pulling up or stepping out of their van when woman shot her kids and herself. They weren't standing around waiting for hours.

The original story indicated she killed them around 0200, when the SWAT team arrived, and then said they didn't enter the house till 0740. If that is not the case then, I stand corrected.

Cinnamon12, I was talking about this specific incident. Will second guess till I do get buckled.

While I won't pretend to know everything about police tactics, I will say having a dead/dying person on the front lawn was an indicator this was not a traditional hostage situation. Blood had already been shed before law enforcement even got to the scene. In my humble opinion, I wouldn't be inclined to think negotiations were an option in this situation. In this respect, I understand Paul in KY's comparison with the Columbine massacre.

Paul in KY and Aaron-

OK guys, next time you've got it. These guys have no clue what they are doing and we will just wait for you to chime in when everything is over and done and provide your critique. Aaron, how do know what happened with the person in the yard, are others inside, who is the hostage taker?

Stop thinking you know what you would do, how you would approach the situation. Because, in reality, you don't know. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Every time is different. Jeez guys.

And Paul, what in the world does your comment "till I do get buckled " mean?

So...your uneducated opions are for the SWAT to rush in, not knowing who is in the house, no knowing who has a gun to their heads...and do what exactly? You don't hear of to many of these stories ending this sdaly specifically because they are patient. Often times hostages are released, even if one has been shot. Them rushing the house would have guaranteed the deaths of the hostages. A claim is made that they are armed to the teeth and have protection...yep...and they weren't "waiting around" because they feared for their safety. It is because they feared that an ambush would have sealed the hostages fates. Granted, in this case it ended badly anyway, but in most cases, their tactics work. And most liekly, the children would have died if they ambushed anyways.

Cinnamon, your (and eric60watts') comment would make sense but for the neighbor who saw the children go back in when the mother called for their return. You make it sound as if they had zero knowledge of what was going on. There was a witness, remember???

@Aaron - Cinnamon and Eric's comments make sense with or without a witness. The witness did not go into the house. Had the cops even spoken to the witness/neighbor all they would know is what happened outside the house without any clue of if there were additional armed suspects inside. Even if maniac-mom shot 1 kid and there was a slight chance she could have been talked off the proverbial ledge if they made contact so they could save the other kids the police still have to establish what is happening inside the home in order to take appropriate action.

Had they stormed the house and shot the women, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, the NAACP would have been all over them like bad suit of clothes.

Maybe if she had called the person instead of texting she and her kids might still be alive. She needed someone to talk to. Not all people who have children at an early age commit acts this horrendous.

I appreciate all those who serve...thank you for all you do and/or have done for me.

The same goes for the cops. You should know better, Paul, if you were in service once, or have you always hated the police?

I'm enjoying the above conversation. Many in our land think having a gun will save their life or someone around them. These professionals have to assess the situation before they can properly take action. But, Johnny wantabe Wayne can sniff out the situation and shoot the supposed bad guy all in one swoop. This is where I get confused????

Paul in Kentucky- Seriously? Going after law enforcement on this? How did you manage to make me think even less of Kentucky than I did a minute ago?

Srich....are you a man or a woman?

Aaron,

Things like this don't happen in a vacuum. Great that you have the time to sit back and pick apart the situation days after the incident. Real professionals do this in real time with real pressure, not, in your case, from an arm chair. This is called "Monday morning quarterbacking", and serves no purpose other than to try and make yourself feel smarter than those who actually play the game and make tough calls.

Do everyone a favor. Unless you play in the game, or have played in the game, refrain from making comments. They only serve to make you look foolish.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, there must be some serious ganga growing in Melbourne for you to come up with that post. Tell you what, post your company name And I will have at least thirty people contacting you.

Jeff: It's the same where I live. Those that are drug free and want to work are already working. I've been trying to hire people for three years. Even offered more money than others.

And I lve in a democratic county.

navyvet98 you know 30 people in tech out of work? Thats hard to believe and Jeff is right about that area. I lived there for years. Brain rot of the highest caliber.

Wow Charleyfarley:

Brain rot? Sounds contageous,when did you contract it?

Every day another murder suicide. Men and women and young people from all walks of life and economic situations, are more and more quick to pick up a gun and shoot. Once was a time when desperate folks tried killing themselves, and sometimes could be talked out of it. Now, folks just pick up and impulsively shoot--not just themselves, but innocent family members.

Our children are growing up thinking this sort of thing is almost normal, they hear it in the news so often. How can you even rationalize it? Our society is fraying at the seams, people. We need to ask ourselves some hard questions as to why we are becoming such a violent society. It's extremely disturbing

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#2.14 - Tue May 15, 2012 6:43 PM EDT

Jeff,

I also live in Brevard County, specifically Port. St. John. I disagree with your appraisal of Brevard County as being backwoods. Most people I know have at least a bachelor's degree, if not a master's or doctorate. I will agree that since launches ended the recession has become painfully obvious. However, I do not know the circumstances facing this family. However, I can tell you as a mother of child that attended school with 3 of her children, this is devastating! I do not know if the mother was a registered Democrat or Republican, but I am not sure what that has to do with this desperate act?? As far as looking for people for work, if you post what you want, I know people in every field locally looking for work!

True A Florida nurse, people laid off from the center most have degrees. A lot have left the area for Texas, N Dakota or Minnesota where there are more good paying jobs. All that's left here are $8-$14 an hour jobs. PSJ is a bit rednecky; they sit in their front driveways in the evening (why, when there's a backyard?). On holidays you can't sleep because rather than go to a public firework display, they set them off in the streets. There are more pit bulls and guys wearing camo than I care to count. But, for those who have to live here for work we make the best of it.

Jeanette, I agree with you, except in healthcare there are still many jobs paying better than the range you noted. That is why I asked Jeff to share the jobs he is looking to fill. There are many professionals that stayed as their spouse had a job locally, and they have yet to find another job. Often people sit out front (myself included) so that you can see your neighbors and visit with them.. I have a fenced back yard with a fire pit that we occasionally will sit by, but mostly it is in lawn chairs in the front yard.. I prefer to think of us as country, but we do own guns and are proud members of the NRA. I like the community, just hate the recent tragedy.

One call doesn't necessarily mean the home was a dangerous situation. Perhaps the neighbors heard an argument and over-reacted.

These kids were certainly old enough to seek help if they felt they were in danger. I just can't believe they went back home when she called them.

Her kids were terrorizing the neighbors, the article stated. Has'nt anyone out there wanted to kill their kids because they were out of control but never acted on it. How could this women be equiped in this day and age to raise 4 kids with no father and probably very little education? Not to mention money to exist.

Because ammunition isn't sold one bullet at a time.

Idiot, period. The gun is irrelevant.

Yes, the gun is irrelevant

It was an idiot with too many bullets...........

not enough bullets...and to many idiots...

Cameron...kids dead and you pull that nonesense out of the air. Think you are funny? Clever? Witty? Intelligent? What do Stand Your Ground laws have to do with a woman murdering her children? Please explain that to me...along the way, please explain what your limited understanding of Stand Your Ground laws are, and lets compare them to the facts of those laws.

they got her picture up now...yup...she be look'n like she put the duh...in floriduh...

She definitely put the "duh" in Floriduh...Look at how her kids' names were spelled. Can you say illiterate?

I'm not crying over this one.

what the hell...call it floriduh...duh...

Katlan...please confirm you are not calling thos edead kids "polution".

lukewarmandyellow...I just re-read the article twice. Maybe I am missing the section where it states that she was a "legal gun owner with the weapon purchased to protect her now dead family". Off, I can't fnd that information anywhere. Making up lies now?

do you really think she owned the gun legally

Do any of you gun freaks think she DID'NT get the legally just to justify your defense of MORE looser gun laws then we already have which are OFF the charts as it is? You make me sick. As it IS, this stupid fascist gop controlled HOUSE wants to makes it perfectly legal to make taking guns anywhere regardless of what the guns laws are in any given state. So much for the "state's rights" party again. This senseless murder is the result of the "every man for himself attitiude that has premeated our country/survival of the fittest" all the while, everything that helps the vanishing and lower classes of within gets stripped away to the filthy rich, fund the out of control war, wars. wars and increasing greed of the "corporate state" and the government officials who their payoffs the KEEP it that way insist upon social darwinism like The Ryan Budget to do it.
Hosni's Mubarak's Egypt is HERE. Prepare for the desperate to revolt when the starving/jobless/homeless American citizenrey go postal on your gated communities and mansions when we have NOTHING left you greedy tryrannical RATS. It's COMING!!!

you lost me at "MORE looser" how about "more LOOSER" ? no, still lost.

... teresa van remortel, are you including the 'gated communities & mansions occupied by all the Hollywoodies who have contributed tens of millions to Prez-0's & socialist DNC candidates? If Hosni Murarak's Egypt is HERE - exactly what does that make Prez-0?

Your demented tantrum is amusing, but pitiful because you reflect the average Prez-0 supporter.

Teresa, there are plenty of places you may not conceal carry. In some states, it's printed on the back of the card. In GA if it is a place not on that list, if you are, say, in a local store, and your gun is noticed, store personnel can ask you to leave your weapon in your vehicle or ask you to leave. Also, in Kennesaw, GA it's the law that you have a gun. Not a law that you carry with. Providing you are not a convicted felon, which a lot of them, more of them will have guns illegally and that's really the people I worry about. Check out the new Smith & Wesson Governor! I'm getting one:) It can blow a human in half. It's for home defense. So when it comes down to what you say is coming, I say bring it on, I will be ready. Seems like you are one of the "every man for himself" type person. Don't make the mistake of trying to break in my house when I'm home..