I agree. Educate and get out the vote. I'm amazed at how many people will tell you that they are voting for this candidate or that one and you ask them what the biggest issue is for them and they go blank. I see it a lot. Especially at protests. A reporter will ask an individual what exactly it is they are after and they will look at the person next to them for help with an answer.

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Unfortunately, you are right when considering a good number of protesters, voters, and even law enforcement. Yet this applies to Tea Party, Obama Supporters, Bush 1 & 2 supporters, Clinton supporters, Government Officials...

notsojingo

My opinion is not party specific. In fact, it was directed at people who are. The will back a certain party and when asked for specifics, that is when they draw the blank. It's called blind faith.

Freedom4Everyone - good point. Knowledge is power. Your ignorance is their strength. Unfortunately, our schools have turned into indoctrination centers. Tom Heydon was one of the Chicago 7 in 1968 (along with Abby Hoffman, Jerry Rubin, Bobby Seals...). He went on to become a California Senator. Or Senate-whore depending on how you look at it. Sad, but a lot of these protestors can't tell you what is stated in the Bill of Rights & most don't even know the original 'Tea Party' was a small band of protestors rebelling against their established government, over oppressive taxes & no representation.

PSALMS 5:2
D.E.W. 2012 “Americans hunger for equality. This has always been the case.”

Democracy has gathered around the flame of equality, to
warm itself against the bitter night of injustice. As ravenous dogs, we have
consumed freedoms comforts, and left these young ones to grow cold, and hungry.

AMERICAN
YOUTH RECOVERY PROGRAM(AYRP)

On the
front lines in work.

On the
front lines in war. An American tradition since 1776.

As minors by law children do not have autonomy
or the right to make decisions on their own for themselves in any known
jurisdiction of the world. Instead their adult masters, including parents,
social workers, teachers, youth workers and others, are vested with that
authority, depending on the circumstances. Some believe that this state of
affairs gives children insufficient control over their own lives and causes
them to be vulnerable. Louis Althusser has gone so far as describe this legal
machinery, as it applies to children, as "repressive state
apparatuses". Researchers have identified children as needing to be
recognized as participants in society whose rights and responsibilities need to
be recognized at all ages.[ Structures such as government policy have been held
by some commentators to mask the ways adults abuse and exploit children. On
this view, children are to be regarded as a minority group towards whom society
needs to reconsider the way it behaves.

Benjamin
Franklin
was one of the Founding Fathers of the United States.
Although his schooling ended when he was ten, Franklin was a leading polymath,
author, printer, political theorist, politician, postmaster, scientist, musician, inventor, satirist,
civic activist, statesman, and diplomat. As a scientist, he was a major
figure in the American Enlightenment and the history
of physics for his discoveries and theories regarding electricity.
He invented the lightning rod, bifocals,
the Franklin stove, a carriage odometer,
and the glass 'harmonica'. He formed both the first
public lending library in America and the first fire
department in Pennsylvania.

Exploitation VS
Wage Labor

EDUCATION

In
2010, American students rank 17th in education.

More than
$500 billion is spent each year on primary and secondary education. Transporting students to and from school is
a major concern for most school districts. School buses provide the largest
mass transit program in the country; 8.8 billion trips per year. Non-school
transit buses give 5.2 billion trips annually. School start times are computed
with busing in mind. There are often three start times; for elementary, for
middle/junior high, and for high school.

CHILD
CUSTODY

Professor
Ted Melhuish in his research of December 7, 2006 presents the case for
additional government intervention in terms of "Rates of Return to Human
Capital investment. The study concludes that
every dollar invested in Child Protective Services produces a return of $7.16.
The budget for Texas Department of Family Protection Services (DFPS) is 1.5
Billion alone.

On Nov.17,
2007, Senator (GA.) Nancy Schaefer stated in her report " I believe Child
Protective Services nationwide has become corrupt and that the entire system is
broken almost beyond repair. I am convinced parents and families should be
warned of the dangers. The Department of Child Protective Services, known as
the Department of Family and Children Service (DFCS) in Georgia and other
titles in other states, has become a “protected empire” built on taking
children and separating families for profit, built on tax dollars.

U.S.
jobs are being outsourced, overseas at a 10:1 ratio. That’s our future, and
yours. We have shared the strife, now isn't it time we shared in equal rights?

WAGE
LABOR

Every
minor receiving equal rights, is eligible for employment, and capable of
taxation. An organized force of child laborers, directly engages the
outsourcing of jobs overseas, and will harnesses the cost effectiveness, of its
domestic location. Giving a minor at the age of 10 to choose their own
residence cuts (DFPS) budget in half, as well as a significant amount of
savings in the education budget. The mass consumption of goods by children,
with new earned capital, will create a environment that creates, and sustains
production, and job growth. It produces positive results in prevention, and
retrieval, of outsourced jobs, utilizing its advantage of domestic
transportation costs. Growing personnel capable of running Americas future
infrastructure in Industry.

In 1916,
the NCLC and the National Consumers League successfully pressured the US Congress
to pass the Keating-Owen Act, the first federal child labor law.
However, the US Supreme Court struck down the law two years later in Hammer v. Dagenhart (1918), declaring that the law violated
a child's right to contract his or her own labor.

Derek

WTF does this have to do with molotov cocktails vs home brewed beer? Sounds more like OSW anarchist doo doo. Try to saty with the program, as your wonderful "manifesto" just spouts your reasoning for ???

Does this mean REPUBLICANS are now considered torrorist and a threat to all America?

I expect Prez Obama and Mayor Emmanual to get this incident under control and stop this madness. I am a law abiding elder who demonstrates peacefully and expects this "SS" gestapo surveillance and unecessary arrests of Amercians to end now!

The powers-that-be are doing everything to denigrate and disintergrate the Occupy movement in this country. Since when does peaceful demonstration = brutalizing and arresting Americans on cooked-up charges? My vote will definitely count and I can easily go the other way and urge others to do too! Step up, Obama!

I would say planning to set policemen on fire is more than "cooked up" charges.

What would you be saying if these three weren't discovered and carried out their plan?

Election Fraud is the other problem that needs immediately to be addressed. It has happened in every state that has already voted for the 2012 GOP. Every state.

The integrity of our voting process is of the utmost importance. If we do not have the ballot box, then what avenues for changing our government do we have left? Unfortunately, the integrity of our elections has been called into question quite a few times in recent years, and now a Spanish company known as Scytl will be involved in reporting election results for hundreds of jurisdictions across the United States this upcoming election day. Will those election results be accurate?

It is absolutely amazing that a foreign company has been able to gain such control over the reporting of election results in the United States without it ever making a significant splash in the mainstream media.

Well, the story starts with a company called SOE Software, founded in 2002 and it's been involved in reporting election results in 25 U.S. states....

Founded in 2002, SOE Software (SOE) has been working in 25 states to provide election management tools that include online pollworker training and election night reporting solutions to over 900 state and local election jurisdictions.

SOE Software was purchased by a company based in Barcelona, Spain known as Scytl earlier this year. This combination of the two companies has produced a giant firm. Scytl now has a dominant market position in the election software market....

With the acquisition of SOE Software, Scytl is now the industry leader in the election software market with a full range of solutions that cover the whole election process and include secure online ballot delivery, Internet voting, electronic pollbooks, election night reporting, and online pollworker training.

Scytl will be involved in reporting election results in more U.S. jurisdictions than any other company.
In fact, the new combined company will be involved in reporting the election results in 30 U.S. states.... The combined organization is the largest pure election software company in the United States and will be serving customers in over 1,100 jurisdictions in 30 states, including 15 state-wide customers.

So exactly how does all of this work? Why should we be concerned about what Scytl does with our votes?

Bev Harris of blackboxvoting.org has studied voting systems in the United States extensively. According to her, the combination of SOE Software and Scytl is going to make it much more difficult for observers to independently verify the integrity of the voting results in many jurisdictions. The following is an extended excerpt from a recent article by Bev Harris. It is a bit technical but it does a great job of breaking down how things have changed now that Scytl has acquired SOE Software....

In a major step towards global centralization of election processes, the world’s dominant Internet voting company has purchased the USA’s dominant election results reporting company.

When you view your local or state election results on the Internet, on portals which often appear to be owned by the county elections division, in over 525 US jurisdictions you are actually redirected to a private corporate site controlled by SOE software, which operates under the name ClarityElections.com.

The good news is that this firm promptly reports precinct-level detail in downloadable spreadsheet format. As reported by BlackBoxVoting.org in 2008, the bad news is that this centralizes one middleman access point for over 525 jurisdictions in AL, AZ, CA, CO, DC, FL, KY, MI, KS, IL, IN, NC, NM, MN, NY, SC, TX, UT, WA. And growing.

As local election results funnel through SOE’s servers (typically before they reach the public elsewhere), those who run the computer servers for SOE essentially get “first look” at results and the ability to immediately and privately examine vote details throughout the USA.

In 2004, many Americans were justifiably concerned when, days before the presidential election, Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell redirected Ohio election night results through the Tennessee-based server for several national Republican Party operations.
This is worse: This redirects results reporting to a centralized privately held server which is not just for Ohio, but national; not just USA-based, but global.

A mitigation against fraud by SOE insiders has been the separation of voting machine systems from the SOE results reports. Because most US jurisdictions require posting evidence of results from each voting machine at the precinct, public citizens can organize to examine these results to compare with SOE results. Black Box Voting spearheaded a national citizen action to videotape / photograph these poll tapes in 2008.

With the merger of SOE and SCYTL, that won’t work (if SCYTL’s voting system is used). When there are two truly independent sources of information, the public can perform its own “audit” by matching one number against the other.

These two independent sources, however, will now be merged into one single source: an Internet voting system controlled by SCYTL, with a results reporting system also controlled by SCYTL.

With SCYTL internet voting, there will be no ballots. No physical evidence. No chain of custody. No way for the public to authenticate who actually cast the votes, chain of custody, or the count.

So should we trust that whatever election results Scytl gives us are accurate? Of course not. The truth is that there have been all sorts of questions about the integrity of Scytl voting systems.

The following example comes from a recent article posted on westernjournalism.com.... The American advocacy group Project Vote has concluded that SCYTL’s internet voting system is vulnerable to attack from the outside AND the inside, a situation which could result in '…an election that does not accurately reflect the will of the voters…' Talk about having a flair for understatement!

There have also been very serious questions about SOE Software. Bev Harris of blackboxvoting.org says that there have been major problems with SOE Software election results in the past....

In Broward County FL, the results reported by Scytl-owned SOE Software in 2008 showed an entire candidate, who was winning, disappear into vapor in the middle of the count, and in Hillsborough County FL and Dallas County TX, votes that had been reported began to disappear.

So now we have a combination of SOE Software and Scytl. Considering the questions that have surrounded both firms in the past, it is easy to see why so many voting activists are deeply concerned.

In any event, it is deeply troubling that a Spanish company will have control over the reporting of election results from hundreds of jurisdictions in the United States on election day.

Hopefully there will be no problems and the election results will be 100% honest and accurate. But what if they are not? This article first appeared here at the American Dream. Michael Snyder is a writer

Knowing that former Goldman Sachs veterans have an ownership interest in a foreign company that tabulates votes in the United States is very alarming to any American who is concerned about open and transparent elections! Former Goldman veterans own and control Scytl. Scytl is owned and controlled by a venture capital firm, Balderton, a venture capital firm that is run by Goldman Sachs veterans Tim Bunting and Mark Evans.

With Scytl is in a unique position to not only control and tabulate the votes of U.S elections (in a foreign country, separate from U.S. law and oversight), but also to control e-polls as well.

With the purchase of SOE Software, meanwhile, SCYTL has increased its involvement in the U.S. elections process. SOE Software boasts a strong U.S. presence, providing results in over 900 jurisdictions.

In 2009, SCYTL formally registered with the U.S. Election Assistance Commission (AEC) as the first Internet voting manufacturer in the U.S. under the EAC Voting System Testing and Certification Program.

Also that year, SCYTL entered into an agreement with another firm, Hart InterCivic, to jointly market a flexible and secure electronic pollbook purportedly to allow U.S. election officials and poll-workers to easily manage the electoral roll on Election Day in an efficient and convenient manner.

SCYTL’s ePollBookTM already replaced the paper precinct roster in Washington, DC.

During the midterm elections in November 2010, SCYTL successfully carried out electoral modernization projects in 14 States. The company boasted that a “great variety” of SCYTL’s technologies were involved in these projects, including an online platform for the delivery of blank ballots to overseas voters, an Internet voting platform and e-pollbook software to manage the electoral roll at the polling stations.

The states that used SCYTL’s technologies during the Midterms were New York, Texas, Washington, California, Florida, Alabama, Missouri, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, New Mexico, Nebraska, West Virginia and Washington DC.

Just prior to the midterm’s however, the new electronic voting system in Washington, DC was hacked. As a program security trial, the D.C. Board of Elections & Ethics reportedly encouraged outside parties to hack and find flaws in its new online balloting system. A group of University of Michigan students then hacked into the site and commanded it to play the University of Michigan fight song upon casting a vote.

This is not the first time SCYTL’S systems have been called into question - Voter Action, an advocacy group that seeks elections integrity in the U.S., sent a lengthy complaint to the U.S. Election Assistance Commission in April 2010 charging the integration of SCYTL systems “raises national security concerns.”

“Foreign governments may also seek to undermine the national security interests of the United States, either directly or through other organizations,” Voter Action charged.

Project Vote noted that in 2008, the Florida Department of State commissioned a review of SCYTL’s remote voting software and concluded, in part, that:

The software could lead to:

voters being unable to cast votes;

an election that does not accurately reflect the will of the voters; and

possible disclosure of confidential information, such as the votes cast by individual voters. The system may be subject to attacks that could compromise the integrity of the votes cast.

It's worse than you think. Anyone who reads foreign papers or see foreign media knows the US elections are as important to them as if they had "invested" in the campaign...The presidency is now open to the highest bidder in any foreign country thanks to the Supreme Court decision.

"They were making the bombs ... (and had) directions on how to implement this."

direction most likely supplied by the "cops" which infiltraited them. Most likely they started out with plans to protest but agin those "cops" helped convince them that that would not be enough, instead giving them the ideas on how to make the protest more effective. This is becoming more and more commonn where "cops" are entraping people by convincing them to do things they were not planning on, supplying them with the directions and resources to do this, then trying to tell the public how great a job they did stoping all these dangerous people when it is so many of the "cops" that are truly the dangerous people.

So let me get this right? So because they were going to protest it automatically makes them occupiers?? The teaparty guys (who had guns hanging from their hips) werent?? There is alot of here-say and speculation now days about anyone who protests..it doesnt mean everyone is protesting the same cause. There was no doubt the tea party people were packing heat so why werent they accused of being terrorists?? Their guns were in plain sight and they even wanted to carry them into where the president was...or did you forget that? I would say the Republicans are certainly trying to set a double standard. There is a right to protest in this country and there are some who are trying to exercise their own agenda but it doesnt automatically make them occupy protestors.

Listen... I am sick of this irresponsible reporting...if the media wants to excercise "freedom of the press" then they should do so and not be so "bought off"...The media needs to start being more neutral and honest in their reporting. I am sick of these phoney talking heads. I can read the BBC news and get more information about the USA then I get here. Yeah the big money guys own most of the media companies now days but it is the responsibility of the reporters to quit being so bias and do their jobs correctly or get out of the business and give it to someone who will do it right. We need to really get money out of our news reporting and out of politics. The supreme court is at fault for all of this with citizens united and I blame them for selling us all out. They are traitors if you ask me. They have allowed our country to be bought off... just like afew of them. I say impeach afew of them ....starting with Thomas

These three guys—Hummmm don't look all that intelligent to even take a bath. According to this article this so called plan sounds a little pushy for just three man boys. Their tools of the trade? I had the same things I bought as collector's items with the exception of the Gun that fires motor rounds. Something fishy about this story, especially since its Chicago where the mentality isn't all that good.
Pouring gas in a bottle was practiced for many years when we were kids because we didn't have gas cans so we put gas in anything-- something is wrong with this entire story..

Yup - the cops have nothing better to do than find a bunch of admitted anarchists that have already traveled to London to incite violence - just to frame them. Please move your tin-foil hats - the sun is reflecting off them and overheating your brains.

The reality is that these dudes have already admitted to being part of a terrorist organization that has struck on 2 continents. That you fools would defend them is amazing. And you fools would be the ones screaming the loudest about the incompetence of Homeland Security if they would have struck in Chicago.

You don't get it both ways - both being safe from terrorists and complaining about the actions keeping you safe. If you want security, why are you complaining when the terrorists get arrested with the devices of terror in their possession. If you support the terrorists - this explains a lot about your postings.

Since when does peaceful demonstration = brutalizing and arresting Americans on cooked-up charges?\

Hmm.....I don't know. Give Dr. King a call I'm sure he can answer that.

Beer making is legal. The crime here would be the effort by so-called authorities to set these boys up by sending in cop guys with cocktails. Are the cops trying to get some action in order to justify their existence?

Sounds to me like a LOT of people here agree . . . were heading for Police State . . . not what America is all about. The Question is how long will it be before all hell does break out. The Government has been infringing on our Constitutional Rights for years. There may have to be another Boston Tea party and the real patriots will call a spade a spade. Also why are the first blogs deleted???? Guess we can't talk about this kind of stuff in a Free Society anymore. By the way, I happen to be pro law and order and on the team.

How do you spot the FBI informant at your political meeting?

He's the guy who ALWAYS advocates violent actions. IF I'M ever approached by someone like that, I'll just tell them them to give me the money and I'll find what I need from DOD salvage auctions. Then I'll drop a dime on 'em to the DHS to see if I can get some competing government beuraucracies' stings going.

@idiot observer,

You mean keeping us safe from the fabricated terrorists and their co-conspirator Easter bunny clan of cohorts? You really took a big gulp of the cool-aid, didn’t you?

I have seen no real evidence of an actual terrorist planned attack in this country since Oklahoma City and in my opinion the government got what it deserved.

You’re right about one thing though, we want security, but not from the terrorist, we want security from this out of control fascist government.

A lot of home made beer tastes like gasoline I understand the confusion, beer muscles come out, pie holes start flapping, next thing you know it's "hey, the man sucks, lets throw this crappy batch of beer at them it gives me gas" and slammer time for the boys. Entirely a misunderstanding, smart looking crew like this.

"prosecutors stated that police found a gun that fires mortar rounds, swords, a hunting bow, ninja-like throwing stars and knives with brass knuckle handles."

Ingredients for their special micro brewery brand of beer.

I wouldn't believe what the cops say, what they wrote in their books, and I would have to see the video of evidence to see if it isn't doctored and photoshopped.

What a bunch of whining,hysterical dweebs. Oh my My rights are being violated - you morons - not one of you has ever read the Constitution of the United States or the Bill of Rights to even have a clue of what your rights truly are - take a course on constitutional law to truly understand your rights and the limitations the Constitution has also placed on the rights. Also understand what makes the Constitution of the United States the most remarkable document in the world is that our forefathers understood that overtime our society would change over time and our form of government had to be adaptable to those changes so with foresight they created the means to allow our Constitution to change with the consent of the people through a direct vote on a constitutional amendment or through our elected officials. All your rights are protected, they remain in tact - what has changed our threats we face as a nation, a society and as a people.

A bunch of losers want to play terrorist and got caught - stupid is as stupid does. Control your whining and hysteria - your rights have not been violated -- lord as if you collective morons even had a clue what the Constitution and Bill of Rights actually does say or what your rights are and what constitutional limits there are on those rights. Look folks its not illegal to be ignorant and stupid though lord knows there should be a law to prevent you morons from voting and exercising those "Rights". Perhaps an exorcism is called for to exercise the stupid out of you morons.

I agree, but I'm afraid it's already too late.

I strongly feel civel war mite be our only option but it scares me to think of it

Civil war?????? Who against who? You realize these types of laws have been on the books for about a decade now, no?

If nothing else, maybe some people will wake up from their deep slumber and realize our freedoms have been under attack for a long time now. Maybe people will take a good hard look at the Patriot Act understand what the implications are.

This isn't a "Right" or "Left" issue; this is an American issue. It's time we stop this talk about civil war and devisiveness are realize we really have a common purpose.

It has been reality for thirty years. Has nothing to do with our government, but everything to do with American capitalism.

"The police are not here to create disorder; they are here to preserve disorder." --Richard Daly (mayor of Chicago, 1968)

By the way, what is a "NATO sumnmit"?

jimsepa good question who aginst who?and i agree its an american issue I'v known for 35 years this is where we would be take a little freedom at a time and hope no one will notice and when thay do call them a traitor or terrorist and lock them up yup we are free

All excellent points. We all have different opinions, but nothing gets accomplished by fighting amongst ourselves - that's what United means. And big changes are brought about by those who show up. Give the protestors that. Protestors of old ended the draft, brought the voting age down to 18 (still don't know if these points are good or bad), gave women equal rights & a right to some control over their own bodies. The only thing that can destroy me is me. And if America falls - it will be by her own actions. Are there some that still believe our own gov't. was NOT complicit in 9/11. Do some still think that our myriad of tax supported security agencies 'coincidentally' all dropped the ball at the same time a day after Don Rrumsfeld admitted that the gov't. can't seem to find umpteen billion dollars? Those acts of an Arab God have a way of stickin it in & twisting it every time.

This article just means that the GOP / REPUBLICANS are a criminal terrorist activity ?

The REPUBLICAN PARTY is now the new type of terrorism in America today.

Throughout history, how often military sides with the poor? Rarely, the police is there to protect the interest of those in power and to bring order to those who goes against it.

It's what happened for thousands of years and will continue to be so for far into the future.

We have the right to violently protest and destroy property - where does the constitution say that?

@freedom_monger, "I strongly feel civel war mite be our only option but it scares me to think of it"

N "civil war". But the defense of our nation, Our Constitution, Our way of life from the domestic enemies working to destroy it, yes. The problem we are having is we voted in domestic enemies of the USA into positions of power within our government, and have not fired them, or prosecuted them.

"Domestic enemies pursue legislation, programs against the powers of the US Constitution. They work on destroying and weakening the Rights of the People guaranteed by the Constitution. Plus they create laws, amendments, etc that goes against the restraint on the three branches of our government by the Constitution".

@ jimsepa, "You realize these types of laws have been on the books for about a decade now, no?"

There is no time limit on acts made to weaken or destroy the US Constitution. Like murder, those who still live and were domestic enemies of the USA can be and should be prosecuted.

As Thomas Jefferson said, "... “that a federal “law” that violates the Constitution is no law at all. It is “void and of no effect.”

The Constitution grants our government certain LIMITED specified powers. It makes clear those certain government limitations, to better protect the liberties of the people. The preamble to the Bill of Rights clarifies its purpose. The Bill of Rights sets limits on the federal government, making clear it has no power to infringe on rights we already naturally possess, or limit traditionally held privileges, such as trial by jury.

Examples:

First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.”

The six protections the first amendment lists against government encroachment are:

1. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

2. Congress shall make no law prohibiting the exercise of religion

3. Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech

4. Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of the press

5. Congress shall make no law abridging the right of the people peacefully to assemble

6. Congress shall make no law abridging the right to petition the government for a redress of grievance.

The Fourth Amendment has two governmental limitations stated in it.

1. The citizens are to be secure in their person, home, papers, and property, from unreasonable searches and seizure. In other words the People have the privacy to go about their lives without worrying whether the government will invade them.

(This amendment was to ensure that the government does not trespass on the people nor take anything from the people without following correct legal procedure.)

2. The government is restrained from taking either person or property without first getting a warrant, and only after proving probable cause.

(This is only as valid as the judge is honest. There have been numerous cases in which judges have signed blank warrants, and the details are not filled in until after serving the warrant.)

Again, these amendments are a limitation on those serving within the three branches of our government to ensure that they do not trespass beyond their enumerated (listed and assigned) powers.

Okay, let's take presidential (executive) powers: "Executive Orders" are the use of the presidential office to pass law, legislation. Much the same as kings do when they announce a proclamation. I believe most Americans know that the USA does not have a monarchy, divine ruler, king, or magistrate in which we vest that power.

The US Constitution assigned to Congress that power, it is the only US governmental body that has legislative power. Article one states, “All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress...” Notice the leading word, "ALL" which leaves little room for interpretation. It does not mean most legislation and it does not mean all legislation except what the President may have a whim to pass, it means all legislation.

Black’s Law Dictionary, Seventh Edition describes legislation as:

"1. The process of making or enacting a positive law in written form, according to some type of formal procedure, by a branch of government constituted to perform this process."

If Congress is the only branch of government “constituted to perform this process,” then the executive branch is prohibited from do so.

(A good place to learn about the Constitution, and a good book about it if anyone is interested is - book - "Constitution Denied" By Michael LeMieux. The free College completely online class, Constitution 101 - http://constitution.hillsdale.edu - where you learn off of the original documents. No purchases necessary, all is provided for you online.)

"mite"? we're doomed

Hello dolts. These were Black Bloc, not republicans. Black bloc supports liberal agendas.

Knine, "There is no time limit on acts made to weaken or destroy the US Constitution." I couldn't agree with you more but you missed my point completely. Over ten years ago, some of us were yelling at the top of our lungs that our constitutional rights were being trampled upon. We were labeled "un-patriotic" or "un-american" when we simply questioned the validity of warrantless wiretaps or ignoring habeas corpus (for example). We've lived through this nonsense for too long for some people to be just waking up to our current reality.

Those showing outrage only now are a decade too late.

We began losing our freedoms under the Patriot Act passed under George Bush...

What freedoms have you lost in the last 4 years? You are still free to spew political rhetoric obviously....

We need to unite to fight this and put political differences on the back burner.

It's easy for me since I really don't care or trust either party anymore. : )

Same here Rockyroed and anay boudy that does has been led astray

lookatmycastle

Stupid is as Stupid does. With your statement, I would say you are the epitome of that word. No need to berate someone because you disagree - that is what debate is about - facts and countering with facts. Opinions are like a....... everyone has one!

Don't you see that democrats or republicans are the same head of the snake. They all have to go. Vote out all incumbants. Quit voting these criminals back into office. Yes Bush/Cheney should be in a jail cell, but Obama is a fraud and should be tried for treason and dealt with according to the constitution, along with Holder and Panetta. The terrorists are in DC. If Obama wins the election it is because the voting was rigged.

Obama signed for the continuation of the Patriot act and signed the National Defense Authorization act so he did the same as Bush and more. We have to vote out anyone in support of these acts regardless of party affiliation. Today's republican party is a big government party. The Democrats are mostly socialists anymore. We have to look past party and vote for candidates who believe in the Constitution.

Bush and Obama are the same, both puppets of their master$. The same goes for both partie$ using divisive politics to distract and confuse their lemmings. They all laugh while fine dining and drinking wine together on our dollar behind closed doors.

Corptocracy knows no limits to greed as our debt continues to kick our butts with the USS Titanic headed for the inevitable iceberg.

Please stay with Gandhi and MLK's teachings and be non-violent.

Obamaa did not veto NDAA, which is what the cops are 'using' (Despite it being blocked in court atm) to keep these 'terrorists' chained up with no miranda rights.

The easiest thing to do would simply to keep the powers of the Patriot act and NDAA restricted to federal level investigators, such as FBI, CIA, ect. Not ordinary thugs, ahem, I mean, the police.

This article just means that the only real threat to America is the REPUBLICIAN PARTY as the new brand of terrorism.

Got a really good one for the tight butted out there. If you are Hispanic, African American or Middle Eastern, NY cops can stop and frisk you even if you are a citizen and just getting on a subway and have nothing in your pockets. Still think you haven't lost your constitutional rights? Wait...it gets better...Now, Bloomberg is demanding anyone on welfare be fingerprinted like common criminals. As he said, "well, you are fingerprinted for your jobs and have to provide ID when you vote..." So old Billionaire Bloomy is going to demand all Americans be fingerprinted in violation of their Constitutional, human and civil rights to privacy should he become president? Which as we now know isn't a problem to buy the presidency when you're a billionaire. Of course, Charles and David Koch will give him competition and maybe even Norquist.

Everyone spewing their Republican/Democrat stuff needs to stop it.

We may have had the Patriot act under GWB, but we have the National Defense Authorization Act under Obama. That one legalizes the killing of American citizens without so much as a judge or jury.

The entire bit about parties is a question of which yoke does the slave wish to wear. And which master do you want to kiss a** to. Both of them seek nothing more to impose their own form of tyranny be it from the left or right onto the public.

Of course as long as the tax cows continue to fight among themselves, the tax farmers are completely safe. Especially if it's over such petty crap as weither their slave collar lists a capital D or capital R.

I don't understand why people keep bringing up NDAA 2012. When I read it, I found nothing whatsoever that abrogated any american citizens right to a speedy trial. It's a funding authorization bill. It authorizes funding for things like extra money so the Navy can purchase products from small businesses owned by women, instead of spending less to buy the same thing from giant corporations. It authorizes spending to build military depots and bases, we probably don't need. It authorizes funding for detention and military tribunals for foreign detainees who are members or supporters of Al Qaida, and to transport them anywhere except the US when we're done with them. There is no mention any where in the bill about anything to do with detention of US citizens.

Some right wing whack-jobs decided that the part about supporters of Al-Qaida, was intended to be applied to US citizens, but their reading comprehension level was too low to keep them from taking it out of context. If you read the whole paragraph, it is clearly applies to foreigners. It isn't concerned with funding for dealing with US citizens who are arrested for terrorism, because we already have a funded legal and justice system in place for that.

I assume that any one who falls for the detention of US citizens BS that keeps being spouted about this bill, was too lazy to read it, or unable to comprehend it. They are just going along with some lie they heard from somebody else.

Actually it sounds as if you have not read the NDAA, or did not comprehend it. If nothing else, then Obama's "signing statement" would have told you that that "power" was put into the NDAA.

"... Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation. My Administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law."

Yep, Obama gave his word that he will NOT use it on US citizens, of course his "signing statement" is NOT law. Also, he did previously give his word to all of America that he would "VETO the NDAA if the provision to indefinitely detain American citizens and those legally allowed to be here was not removed"; while behind our backs he and his administration were actually fighting to have that "power" put INTO the NDAA.

That is called a "lie".

"Amidst all of the controversy surrounding the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), Obama, and his administration, attempted to paint itself as an oppositional force against the bill, threatening to veto it if it passed. However Senator Carl Levin, D-Mich, co-author of the bill, says that the Obama administration in fact heavily lobbied to have removed from the bill's language that would have protected American citizens from some of the bill's provisions, such as indefinite detention without trial."

"The bill is in two sections, one "sounds" more benign .. the other is a direct assault on us, our freedoms, our liberty's. But Woods contends that the President is not opposed to the indefinite detention of American citizens without due process."

"... , lawyers for the Obama administration confirmed that, in their view, that U.S. citizens are in fact legitimate military targets."

Just for your information and clarification.

There's a lot of talk about "Left" and "Right" and how it doesn't matter. Instead I'm seeing lots of appeals to nationalism and invocations of the constitution as if it were holy writ. The constitution is an antiquated document written by wealthy, white slaveowners. We could probably do with an entirely new program. Everyone must understand that capitalism is a right-wing ideology. Left is synonymous with some form or school of socialism. The democrats are NOT socialists, they are moderate conservatives at best, completely devoted to the economic and imperialist status quo. All these politicians come from or else serve the middle and upper classes - the bourgeoisie. Most of the country is composed of the working class or proletariat (at least 80%), including the poor. This class must unite to fight against the wealthy ruling class and their bootlickers.

Let's get it together! You've only been hearing one side of the story. Get the other side by reading Albert Einstein's wonderful essay entitled, "Why Socialism?" You can easily find it online. Decide for yourself where you really stand.

Einstein was a brilliant physicist; that doesn't mean that his economic ideas are correct. Henry Ford was a brilliant engineer and industrialist but socially he was a Neanderthal. If I wanted a casino built I might turn to Donald Trump but I don't want him making social policy either. You are obviously one of those people who think that the reason that socialism has failed is that the wrong people have always been in charge up until now. The real reason is that it is based on how people ought to be but not how they really are. I should care as much about you, your kids, your family and friends as I do mine, but I don't and I won't. That is not going to change, either. I will pay small amounts to help you and yours, but am not altruistic enough to do whatever is needed to help you. Until most people are (never), true socialism will never work.

The new wave of terrorism is now coming from the REPUBLICIAN PARTY.

Both parties suck get some new material

FEAR is false evidence appearing real

My Goodness, all you conspiracy theorists have got it down pat! If it was beer making equipment with bottles that had an amber liquid in it, perhaps this was Chicago Police version of the movie "The Night They Raided Minskys".

Why don't we wait until all of the evidence is in? Their ages, 20, 24 & 24 seems appropriate for those that are intrigued with making their own "special brewed beer", as it is quite common now.

No ,he/she is an optomist!!!!!!!!

optimist before the grammer police jump on me lol

Really?-1739510 It started with the Patriot Act under Bush. You must have forgotten. You probably think Romney would be good or something. But I know you stand by what you say, whatever it was.

The police.

To protect and serve.

Who?

Rockyroad them not us its all so plain to see if you look somthing tells me you know all ready

You mean we should replace a Democran with a Rebublicrat?

They are two wing of the same bird and they don't work for us.

Rockyroad,,,If you remember last year the Supreme Court issued a ruling that " The Police are under NO OBLIGATION to protect the Citizens.. Their job is to ENFORCE THE LAW and protect PUBLIC PROPERTY which also include Politicians.....So the majority of Departments around the Nation removed the Protect & Serve decals from their Police Cars....Also the Obama Administration through various Bills and Amendments being passed by the Demoncrat controlled Congress has been quietly creating a National Police Force...or as we are calling them "The Stasi"...

An example would be the newly created this week Office of Police Officer Fatalities and Injuries Office within the FBI..Now one would think that the FBI should keep these Statistics and such..But they already do and have for over 80 years...What this Office does is provides a Person or Persons who have direct communication with every Police agency in the Country via the newly created and mostly Federally funded 800 Mg. system... Now why would the FBI need such a link up? Especially since they already obtain that information in monthly reports from the Police Agencies around the Country....It has NO Public Value for the average Citizen,,so why was it created......Stasi.....

Democrat controlled congress? not arguing against your other info but saying its a democrat controlled congress is absolutely wrong...if it was Obama would be having his way alot easier than he has been. Its BOTh parties that have turned their back on us, and Republicans are certainly the number 1 party that is seeking to strip our freedoms, while there is maybe a couple Repubs that are loyal to the citizens, there are more Dems who are loyal to the people, but not enough to change the way the system is now. Democrat controlled congress? certainly not

Democrat controlled congress? since when? not since Obama has been in office. . .your other info is fine have no problem with that but to lay the blame on dems is ridiculous, there are more dems in office who are loyal to the PEOPLE (which has somehow been labeled socialism) than there are republicans (though there are a couple), however there arn't enough in either party to change the system and bring it back to its foundations (will never happen, we gotta figure out a new system). party politics is meant to divide the people and it works quite well, (not sure you've been paying attention to congress past 3 years, Repubs are the majority and they are certainly the party who are pushing to speed the process of the corporate take over and dissolution of our bill of rights and constitution, while democrats roll over and (willingly) allow it, seperated and celebrated (part of the plan)

Roberts -

Then what do you consider democrat majorities in Congress? If the democrats were not in control of Congress at the time, why was Pelosi the Speaker of the House? Why is Reid in control of the Senate to this day?

How did Obamacare get 'passed' if the democrats were not in 'control' of Congress when republicans did not vote for the travesty? What about the so-called 'financial reform' that was sponsored by Frank and Dodd - the 2 democrats most responsible for the failure of Freddie and Fannie?

I would love to know what is in that kool-aid you're drinking, because not believing that the democrats have not been in control of Congress (actually, in charge of Congress 75% of the time since WWII) is ludicrous!

Then what do you consider democrat majorities in Congress? If the democrats were not in control of Congress at the time, why was Pelosi the Speaker of the House? Why is Reid in control of the Senate to this day?

Obviously you dont understand how the government works. Ever heard of a super majority? The Dems dont have one. the GOP has abused filibustering throughout Obama's term.

How did Obamacare get 'passed' if the democrats were not in 'control' of Congress when republicans did not vote for the travesty? What about the so-called 'financial reform' that was sponsored by Frank and Dodd - the 2 democrats most responsible for the failure of Freddie and Fannie?

"Obama care was passed via reconciliation rules, the same used by the GOP in order to keep their illegal war going so as to not have to admit supporting war profiteers like total morons. that "travesty" has 31 more people covered. Health insurance industry should be run out of business anyway.

and Fannie and Freddie nor Frank and Dodd were hardly the cause of the economy crashing, you can thank the greed from the PRIVATE market business leaders and Wall Street "investors" and their cronies in the GOP for that.

bomb? here we go again!

1886 a bomb exploded in Chicago during a labor rally, a labor activist was sentenced to die without any evidence. The entire world thus has commemorated May Day as their labor Day except the US

The Haymarket Massacre has had more infamy than Al Capoon. The crime has never been solved

Chuck,

So, you side-stepped the question instead of answering it, didn't you?

They used 'reconciliation' rules on a non-budgetary bill - against their own rules at the time, by the way - to pass Obamacare because it was so distasteful to even democrats that they could not pass it any other way.

This was a decision of the democrats - especially Reid, Pelosi, and Obama - to not allow the minority party any say in the matter.

The democrats were clearly in control, you have no proof otherwise!

From Jan of 2007 to Jan. 2011 dems controlled both house and senate.

Tammy,

Although the elected Senators gave the Senate Democrat majority, due to the death of one Senator (did you forget Edward Kennedy died very shortly after the 2008 electionand was ultimately replaced by a Republican), the contested election of another, and the corruption of appointment by the IL governor of yet a third, they merely had the majority in numbers only, not bodies able to vote within the Senate Chamber. Pelosi became the Speaker because the Democrats had the elected officials to be the majority, yet through death, voter challenge and IL political corruption, the Democratic bodies needed to vote with the Democratic majority Senate were NOT present and the Republicans took full advantage of that.

That is how the republicans got away with continuing to filibuster most legislation. Although there were 60 democratic Senators elected, for the first 2 years, there were NOT 60 Democratic bodies in those seats to stop any filerbusting by the Republican party of "NO".

Hummingbird?

Don't you think a few radical police can make up any story they want to arrest the demonstrators?

Please keep America FREE!

And don't you think that arresting 3 out of thousands isn't going to stop the thousands from demonstrating?

Doesn't anyone recall before the 2004 election how half of NY had to be roped off ffor miles around the RNC headquarters so TV cameras wouldn't show the slew of protestors out there? And wasn't it just sooooo grand when those 90-year old Grandmothers got arrested for protesting in 2007?

Republicans are not above putting a few of their best subversives in a crowd so they can smear what protestors are protesting. Go ahead, Repubbos...let's hear you fatheads deny that one.

Of course, the warm, wonderful, and loving Demos will be welcoming the homeless, anarchists and all sorts of other protestors to beautiful Charlotte, N.C. this summer, and providing them with a nuturing environment, much as they did for them in Chicago, Ill., in the summer of 1968 ...

Being a child of a police officer especially during the democratic convention of 1968 I see the same things happening here today in Chicago. Alot of these people on tv are trying really hard to look cool because reporters are on a roof bringing it live to us. I am proud of our peace officers for keeping these jerks in line. Someone said in an earlier post that education is the key not people getting arrested so they can have this claim to fame of being arrested at a Nato summit protest. Get a life.

Somehow the part about the police being bombed with bags of feces and urine before they beat up the protestors in 1968 went largely unreported at the time due to an overwhelming desire by most of the "press" (excepting Paul Harvey, of course) to present all of the protestors, even the anarchists, communist-sympathizers and instigators, as pathetic "victims".

They want to show us who is the boss !!! laws are not for the powerful and rich, laws are made for the rest of us.. so they keep up in shape..

those kids were lucky, they could have got killed by the police.... because the autority won't hesitate to shoot you if you disobey, and if you truely protest... they have done everything to protect themselves agaisnt the population.. they have the military and the police on their side..

I was on Michigan Ave. in front of the Conrad Hilton in 1968. This is NOTHING like 1968. In 1968 the Chicago police went berserk and clubbed anybody and everybody who got near them. The Kerner Commission described it as a "police riot" and so it was. Old man Daley let it be known that protesters were fair game and they were not going to overrun HIS city. It was a war zone. What is happening now is a garden party compared to then. Of course back then there was a meat grinder war going on and there was a draft scooping up thousands of young men (except, of course for the sons of the wealthy and influential who were hiding in National Guard units). Concerns over ultimate death in Southeast Asia tended to concentrate the minds of protestors at that time.

And to think this is happening under Mayor Rahm Emanuel's nose.

The Kerner Commission. Wow, what is more credible than a commission headed by a corrupt Demo ex-governor so crooked he makes a modern Dem like Blogo or Repub like George Ryan look postively honest and irreproachable by comparison? At least the pig died in prison after corrupting the executive and the judicial branches; if he's not in Hell it's only because there is not any such place. Anything that venal @$$WIPE was ever associated with is questionable at best; if his commission found that the primary cause of droughts was a lack of rain then I would want another opinion on it.

They aren't kids. They are all adults. They obviously did not come to Chicago to make beer. They traveled to Chicago to cause trouble. They got caught plotting. Now they need to be taken to Guantanamo.

or take them to a crowded walmart less travel more punishment

Diane, that might be your (and my!) idea of hell-on-earth, but millions of people apparently love it.

Wasn't it Orwell who wrote that in order for politicians to maintain control over the masses, they used police and the military to do it? Scary how close it's coming down to this.

The only police that mattered in Orwell's 1984 were the Thought Police, responsible for the arrest of those found not to be thinking Party thoughts. The military were useful only for keeping the world in a perpetual state of war, which allowed the "leaders" to do whatever they found to be necessary, owing to the (permanent) wartime conditions; it also gave a permanent excuse for the shortages of everything which were really the result of the abandoment of a market economy, which was far too hard for the Party to control.

There's a difference when people peacefully protesting and throwing a bomb, its called your right to assemble and the other is a criminal act and the swings should be locked up for a few years if convicted

John did you read the article? NO bomb was ever there!

They were making beer!

No they do not fight for democracy, they fight for oil and other natural resources ! you're truely naive to believe their lies... they manipulate words to make you believe what ever they ever want you to believe and most of you run for it .. dummies !

Rockyroad,

Did you read the article? They said they were making beer. Or do you believe that everything that anyone says is the truth?

Denver?

So if you have any alcohol in bottles in your home you can be arrested for being suspected of being a terrorist. That could be Molotov cocktail making material!

You are okay with that?

When you say that it was for drinking. Then what?

Rockyroad,

Nice distraction. Of course I'm not OK with that. But back to the subject of the article. Neither of us knows what was seized in that raid. You choose to assume it was innocuous, as the arrestees claim. I do not.

Look...since the 1960's, cops have profiled anyone with long hair. Take a look at the photos of these 3. They absolutely fit the tight butt cops ideas of "long haired radicals". Cops don't shave their heads for safety reasons these days. It's to prove they are the still they "establishment" in charge of bashing heads in of the long hairs they were taught from birth to despise.

We still have diehard 1960's righties in this country who will do anything to bash and put an end to freedom and rights of anyone then think doesn't fit their laundered version of "conservative". Too bad so many "conservatives" are today's biggest crooks and frauds. You can always tell one of these. They hate gays, think women are second in line and walk around with chests pumped as if they were Mr. Universe reincarnate. Some dress in T-shirts and jeans and swaggering while others dress in $1000 suits and $500 Italian shoes all while they are stuffing their bank accounts with everyone else's money. So long as they don't let their hair grow too long or play a musical instrument, they are still certified "establishment conservatives". Yeesh...you'd think they'd have give up by now.

You all can complain about your beliefs that this is a right-wing problem arresting these suspects, but remember Chicago has been run by Democrats since 1923. Democrat mayor, city council, police chiefs, fire chiefs, union leaders, union police departments, everything in the city is democrat controlled. If you put a yard sign out for a republican candidate your house windows get rocks thrown through them, your car tires get slashed and for some reason the service stops picking up your garbage. Republicans have absolutely no input into what happens in Chicago. So, lefties, this is your side coming down like bricks on the protesters. Rahm has to make the city look good for his buddy Barack and he will grind into powder anyone who rocks the boat. Take that to the bank. Besides, this security is being run by the Secret Service (Barack's SS). They are calling all the shots and giving all the directives, and the democrats in Chicago law enforcement are more than happy to comply. There are fighter jets at O'Hare airport, attack helicopters, and enough full automatic weapons available to law enforcement to kill everyone downtown. Any protesters who want to "start a war" will lose.

Open your shades and see if there's a black Suburban with tinted windows out front Tiny.

Not there, are they?

Wow, stand up, you really answered Tiny, didn't you! Standing up and speaking out against Democrats in Chicago is simply not allowed. So it must be reserved for somewhere not under the direct total control of the "party of the people". Right.

Open your shades and see if there's a black Suburban with tinted windows out front Tiny.

Wow, how original!! Where have I heard that before? Oh, I know, from YOU, just three posts up. My G_d, what a genius!!

My Dad made some home-brewed beer once. A bottle of it blew up and went all over the ceiling. Mom sentenced Dad to three weeks sleeping on the couch for his transgressions. IS this what's going on in Chicago?

Actually, it's more of an anti-'Robin Hood' tax as it will actually hurt anyone that invests in IRA's and 401K's. The 'big investors can simply move their money to a friendlier exchange. Do you really think the government would use the money the way you want? Do you really think that the costs would not be passed on to the middle class?

But keep on believing that big government is the answer. It's not, but it seems that the liberals have truly brainwashed the liberal masses with their propaganda.

By the way, since when is it a 'sin' to want to provide for your own retirement?

MaryinChicago..Proud of you gals...I wish more American women could unite like this. It's long past time for the women in this country to stand together before all the wrong people destroy our kids' futures. Some of the wealthiest men in this country are ripping off the Middle Class left, right and center. It's a disgusting commentary on what some American men will stoop to just to compete with each other for Numero Uno position.

Keep us posted on any new protests like this.

Tammy...People also believed Madoff was an honest man with integrity....Gotcha! Then, there was Kenny Boy Lay and His Big Spender of Employees' 401K retirements, Jeff Skilling...Gotcha! Sorry, sweets. But you invest and you take your chances. But know this and know it well, your investments fail and you fail alone...don't come running to taxpayers, consumers or employees for help by way of bailouts. Not not not not going to happen EVER again. Fool us once...

Well, that's good thinking. I bought a pint of sour milk once and then it dawned on me ... ALL DAIRY FARMERS ARE CROOKS. Glad that you are intelligent enough to engage in the same type of logic.

No, Madoff was proof of how "You can't cheat an honest man." Barron's had been stating for years that something wasn't right; no investor is ever always right and up every single quarter, there had to be something amiss. But no, Bernie would never crook any of his friends and co-religionists, he was such a nice guy ...

Actually molotov cocktails are to create fear, confusion and damage property. That has always been their function.

Kathy Stuart

Perhaps you are not aware where the term Molotov Cocktail came from? Google the word and Wikipedia will explain who General Molotov, of the USSR, was and the purpose of the "invention" of the Molotov Coktail. WW II, Russia vs German Panzer Tanks is a clue.

How hard is it to make a "molotov cocktail? A bottle of gasoline, a rag, and a match is a molotov cocktail. Nothing is needed such as a beer making process.

I don't think I would say out loud that "I'm a democrat"

Dasvet:

How hard is it to make a "molotov cocktail? A bottle of gasoline, a rag, and a match is a molotov cocktail. Nothing is needed such as a beer making process.

I agree... I made some "homebrew" beer years ago. A plastic TRASH CAN, a pitcher, some sugar and a few miscellaneous items.

I'm trying to picture what "Beer making equipment" would be used for! A couple of 5 gallon gas cans, a funnel and some rags is only things needed to make some Molotov cocktails.

Somehow there seems to be some misinformation being reported!

"Beer making" would be a fine excuse to assemble lots of empty glass bottles.

don't know if you know this but the authorities can hold you up to 72 hours before charging you with anything, nothing new why don't you do some reading before complaining about a police state.

Mike1817409: Imagine that, police angry at someone accused of making bombs to burn alive police officers. How intolerant of them.

Mike, I think a revolution is what Obama is fomenting, and it not going to be a revolution for freedom by any stretch. This is classic "Rules for Radicals" aspects for dividing the country. We are facing a soviet, totalitarian type government if we vote this administration another four years. Vote for the American this year in November.

Dasvet...Nice try. Sorry not convinced of that fearmongering routine righties depend so desperately on. President Obama has done more for this country than any right wing neoconservative ever has. Fact: Reagan: 2nd term...Recession. Bush '41...one term...Recession. Bush '43...Financial Meltdown and Recession...This from the genius with the Harvard MBA...No thanks...No more Republicans for me. The entire Republican party is a male dominated society of good ole bois with back room agendas that do not serve the people of this country. They serve their masters ...the 1% and Corporate Welfare State.

They figure if they crash the Middle, it will become part of the bottom and they can sit like kings on top...Think again oh Mighty Geniuses of Ill-begotten partisanship.

Carter...depression. Clinton..repubs control congress...good times, then dems take congress...dot com crash, recession. Obama...depression with dem control of congress. Nice try.

Those were mild recessions. They're part of something that leftists are willfully totally ignorant of, the "business cycle". On the premise that "We're going to save you, we're going to rescue you" leftists (starting with FDR, really) have increased the role of government in the economy to the point that sustainable growth is nearly impossible in the long term. Understand this (you won't, you're willfully ignorant) -- corporations (which are composed of people -- owners, employees, customers and other "stakeholders") are in business to make money and are more profitable, not less, when more of their customers have more disposable income with which to buy their products. They want them to have more money, not less. People too dumb to get that, and think instead that corporations want their customers to be poor, are too dumb to understand that capitalism and not socialism is the real wealth creator of the world (how much money was in China when they were actually trying to practice socialism rather than pay it mere lip service?), and dumb people are perfect supporters for socialism, Marxism, and (like these guys) anarchism -- which is suitable as a belief system only for the truly massively stupid.

Yeah Stand up, speak out

I agree with you. It seems msnbc is so quick to get a scoop on the competition, they fail to ensure all of the facts are presented - some even presented as inaccurate, if not false. Some folks play "whisper down the lane" and get the story all blown out of proportion. I used to use it in a communications class and started a story that was 100% factual. By the time it got back to me, I did not even recognize any semblance of the details the last student told me from what I told the first student to start the exercise.

That too, but Im more referring to the under-whelming brilliance of many of the commentors posting to MSNBC articles as opposed to those posting to real Newsvine member posted articles.

You mean the cops? I hope so too...

I wish people like you had 0% influence on children so your kind would stop existing! Mankind has so much wasted potential and the negative types like History would just rather things stay the same or become more intolerant because they don't want change and prefer being controlled.

Atomahawk:

Is the change you want really "anarchism"? Presumably, "no rulers" and hence no rules. All that means is that the new rulers will be the strongest and the best armed, who will then take anything and anyone that they want. Idiot punks have no concept that under real anarchism, little wusses like them would be among the first ones killed. They just think that life is like a video game, and that blowing things and people up would be "so cool". So, essentially, whatever that happens to them, they have brought on themselves. Blowing stuff up isn't the work of a "protestor". Gandhi and MLK were "protestors". Mussolini was a "fascist". These guys aren't protestors and Pres. Obama, while something of a flawed leader, is certainly no fascist.

What is a motive cocktail? Is that a theme based after dinner drink? :-) Not trying to be spelling commisar, but that is funny.

Motive cocktail =

5 parts London dry gin

2 parts extra dry vermouth

onion (peel only)

Agonustra bitters -- splash

Blend well and serve over very cracked ice

If that's not a motive, then nothing is.

That certainly is a motive ater!

That isn't happening; YET. It will!

The reason I ask is if they are in town specifically for the summit, I personally doubt that they would take the time out to make beer.

Why do you think that going somewhere to protest means that you are not going to use your free time to enjoy yourself, especially with friends (who live in another state) who can meet up with you in another state where the event is happening?

You have never gone somewhere else to work, protest, show horses, race cars, a game, a meet, gaming competitions, etc; meeting like minded friends there and doing something fun like BBQ and beer?

Many people have friends relatives in other states and use such things from protests, horse/dog/car shows, work, etc to meet up with them and enjoy the limited time together.

I find your question and statement off the wall, and unrealistic. Of course they have time to socialize before and after the event - well, not now of course, pre crime (meaning NO crime committed) arrest saw to that.

Good point. Iwas wondering why guys would come from 3 different states to make beer. They gave those states as their residences. But then they were also there for the protest. Once again the first story tells us little except that they were arrested so it's still wait and see.

These guys got together to home brew and, by the way, blow up an occassional police station or bridge, because you gotta have more than one hobby.