You got it exactly right, TF.

How about an apology? How about feeling remorse? Whether or not you meant to push this student beyond what he could emotionally handle, you played a part in his misery. When are you going to think of ANYONE BUT YOURSELF????

I saw this guy in an interview and he is a total A-Hole. No recognition of what he did or any accountability. He will soon experience the tail side up experience as the general prison population gets their taste of "Indian Currry".........

This whole thing is total BS. This is a prime example of why "hate crimes" are wrong. Would there have been a trial if he had recorded two heterosexuals? Hell no! I don't care if the guy is an ahole or not. He did not hang anyone.

I dont know about life in prison that is a bit harsh, but this guy should be made an example of so others will think twice before invading someones privacy, This (privacy) is a precious commoditty, and when broken with such flagrant disregard as this guy has done should be punished acccordingly. He can be blamed for the suicide, but then ask yourself, can you sentence someone who is cheating on their spouse for the others suicide, over their actions, blame yes . sentence, well thats a tough one?

Its a case of bullying, and he deserves some punishment. I'm torn on whether he should have a criminal record over it. Either way, I doubt he will serve much time. Having this crime on his record will hurt him the most. I don't know, or remember, what he was studying for, but he may be forced to leave the US to pass a back ground check for his career.

Give him a light sentence? Not.

It really doesn't matter how angry you are, or how much I dislike him personally. His punishement needs to fit the crime. He is a total a-hole, but didn't intend for this to end in suicide. He won't get anywhere near 10 years.

Would there have been a trial if he had recorded two heterosexuals?

If one of them jumped to their death afterwards?
YES!

I wonder if his attorney told him to wear that 'PINK' shirt?

Fred Evil - No there wouldn't have been. They have already determined that the recording is NOT what instigated the suicide. This guy didn't do anything wrong.

Mike277, maybe so. But I wonder why during the entire trial his attorney or family didn't take aside and whop him across the head to remove the smirk. That made him look as if he intended for this to happen, and look at the comments against him because of it. Even if he didn't feel remorse, he could make believe.

Would there have been a trial if he had recorded two hetrosexuals?

If one of them was my daughter YES! However, it would be MY trial for throwing him off a bridge.

This guy didn't do anything wrong.

Methinks you don't understand how what he did WAS WRONG.

Lol o'really. You sound like the type of dad I am.

Fred - I understand completely. He recorded his own room. You cannot have an expectation of privacy when you share a dorm room. Period. He did nothing wrong.

Hell yes ...he deserves Time in Jail... The BIg question is ..is he Gay

I'm torn here. On the one hand, we have a young man who tragically cut his own life short over this guy's actions. However, on the other hand, I could see how the other young man might not have understood what he was doing to his roommate. He thought it was funny. Was it malicious or just a prank? Only the perpetrator knows for sure. As for his demeanor, you have to remember that he is from a different culture. There may be subtle signals that we do not recognize. I remember meeting several people from India while in college. They often seemed arrogant to me when I first met them. But after getting to know them, they weren't really at all. It was the mask they were taught to wear for the world by their society. Seems in some parts of the world showing emotion is seen as a weakness and is frowned upon.

wryview - did you miss the part where he then shared that video with others??? I'm not here calling for this guy's head, but come on use some common sense. saying "he did nothing wrong" seems to be from someone with blinders on.

He is guilty of violating his room mates right to privacy, he deserves some punishment.

His actions were immature and disgusting, however he does not deserve a harsh sentence. Nor does he deserve to be deported.

Tyler's suicide was a combination of other issues, his suicide was not solely a result of being filmed.

Sorry folks I disagree with your pound of flesh in this matter.

Twenty years in jail and then send him back home.

No case here. It's sad that this kid decided to jump off a bridge, no doubt about that. Can't prosicute someone for anothers suicide. That falls under thought crimes which is very dangerous ground. Is he a major tool and a pig, yes. Unfortunately that's all there is to it.

Texas Lady,

First of all hello. Here in NJ there are HUGE Indian communities. Did I mention HUGE? lol. I have worked with many people of Indian descent, whether Americanised or fresh off the plane. I've never seen a smirk put on during any pressure or stressful moments. There were no reactions or customs that wouldn't be considered normal in American societies. This guy simply wanted to show that he did nothing wrong and felt there was no way he would be convicted. The smirk melted away the moment he was found guilty. He is a smuf a-hole. But, like I said my thoughts of him have nothing to do with his guilt. I don't think he deserves to spend years in prison. A deportation would be a worse punishment.

I don't think US tax payers should have to work for his upkeep while he is in prison. Just deport him. He is a morally bankrupt person and we really don't need any more of them in this country.

TFNJ I like you. Even when you are disagreeing (are there actually 3 vowels together there or did I mispell that?) with someone, you are respectful and humorous, rare traits on the forums.

Ravi was convicted based on something he was not even charged in, Clementi's suicide. The jury and everyone else wanted someone to pay for Clementi killing himself so they convicted Ravi. This is completely wrong. The verdict was based largely on emotion rather than law. There was evidence that Clementi and his partner even knew that the web cam was on the second time and said nothing. This was a childish prank that got out of hand, it was not done with the intent of driving someone to suicide. The jury had to show how enlightened they were and convict Ravi instead of seeing this for what it was. The charges and the verdict were politically motivated from the start. Give Ravi probation and community service working for a support organization for gays and leave it at that.

You do have an expectation of privacy in a shared dorm room!!!! Just not from your roommate... He put the video for others to watch.... You shouldn't and don't expect to have your privacy violated in such an obscene way....

Clem killed himself, I have no sympathy for anyone that takes their own life and sure as hell don't think sending someone to prison for another persons decision/action is justified. invasion is the only crime I can see, you people need to grow up and get off of your pity pots. if it was the other way around this would not be a case.

Clem was a weakling and chose to depart, sending someone to prison wont fix that. the kid didn't even have the decency to leave a note saying why he killed himself. it could have been a multitude of things, get the Nazi attitude out of our courts, enough with the finger pointing.

If that is not a word, it should be. :)

Believe me I am shocked at how many personal attacks occur here just because people don't agree with a point of view. It's needless, and I don't expect that everyone agree with everything I say just to get along with them. While you saw me pushing buttons in another article, I typically avoid arguments.

I try not to be disagreeable.. lol

This guy deserves whatever punishment he gets. His actions were malicious and vicious, without any regard to the consquences to the victim. He didn't do it once, but several times. As the D.A. said, this case will act as a deterant to other meatheads who think about pulling a stunt like this. Law enforcement needs to take a hardline in cases like this, because it is happening more and more with devasting consequences to the victim. Even if the victim hadn't killed himself, the video was still out there to haunt him for the rest of his life. Ravi needs to pay for that.

I have to agree with TFNJ on one point. I watched the trial and am now watching the sentencing. He has never while I've been watching shown anything that looks like remorse. He's has continually had a"yeah whatever" look. I don't believe he thinks he didn't anything wrong and still doesn't.

And the only other thing I'll say is that by the responses it's pretty easy to tell who were the bullies in their schools.

Regardless if he recorded a gay couple or straight couple, it is illegal to tape others without their knowledge and consent. Thus, Mr. Ravi needs to be held accountable.

Further, perhaps if he had shown just the slightest in terms of remorse, his outcome might have been a little different however, he showed the court and the jury, on a daily basis, nothing but arrogance, smugness and the inability to accept his personal responsibility. Thus, he needs to be held accountable.

While his actions were indirectly responsible for Mr. Tyler's suicide, he is still responsible for the events leading up to Mr. Tylers suicide. Perhaps a nice jail sentence will give him time to reflect on what he personally has done and will learn to finally take responsibility for his actions.

There are others here who feel that he shouldn't be sent to jail - why not? What he did was illegal and his appearance of indifference shows he clearly does not feel he should suffer the ramifications of his actions. For every cause there is an effect ... Jail and deportation for Mr. Ravi. Plain and simple.

No case here. It's sad that this kid decided to jump off a bridge, no doubt about that. Can't prosicute someone for anothers suicide.

There is a case here. He violated another person's privacy and, if he did it because Clementi was gay, it was a hate crime. However, you are right that he shouldn't be prosecuted for Clementi's suicide. His suicide, especially in a state that, except for the anti-gay governor, is friendly to gays was not reasonably foreseeable.

This defense attorney is making me crazy...its as if he's trying the case all over again. Dude, get over it...you lost...let the sentencing begin

Look how many sex tapes have launched some 'celebrities' careers after someone posted it on line without the person's permission. I do not recall the poster getting jail time either.

Why make an example of this particular guy for supposedly invasion of privacy? What about those ctv cameras and the various cameras people have set up in their home so the police and others including family/parents etc can watch the public for criminal acts, watch their house hold staff or their teenager etc. What about touchy feely and peeky TSA and the various other places one does not have any expectation of privacy any more including in one's home, car, or telephone conversation or even on the internet etc?

If the guy was sharing a dorm room how much expectation of privacy did he think he had? Since he was sharing the room he had no expectation of privacy imo. Why would anyone engage in any intimacy or sexual intimacy in a shared dorm room unless one does not care if one's activity is observed or not?

If the room mate had not committed suicide would there have been a case at all? The other room mate's behaviour may have been crass but he did not kill his room mate immaterial of how arrogant, insensitive, idiotic or stupid his behaviour may be or look in court.

If the other student wanted to be intimate -sexually or otherwise- and wanted to make sure that there was no possibility of his activity being observed then he should have gone elsewhere or not been intimate. He was at university after all, where young folks still act and do stupid stuff no matter how bright or smart they are supposed to be.

With all that is shown in the movies, on reality tv, sexting etc, also that most computers come with a camera so one can telecommunicate with others, and everything one does, immaterial how inconsequential, stupid or even assinine, is posted on Youtube or FaceBook and elsewhere, where does on draw the line if all these activities are supposed to be normal or no biggie?

It is hard to believe that the chap who committed suicide, jumped because he probably had an audience during intimacy or what ev, even if he was the shy type. If he was bothered, being bullied etc why didn't he sue the room mate and the uni for that matter?

To incarcerate the other student for 10 years or any years for that matter does not make any sense imo.

Peace.....

Yes, TFNJ, Ravi is a smug little pr1ck, looks as if that smirk has vanished from his cocky face now.

I feel the case's dominant issue is not a harmless prank gone awry, but a malicious intent to humiliate Tyler. Maybe a lack of maturity played a role, certainly Ravi never expected the outcome to result in suicide, but even with the shortsightedness of youth, Ravi had to realise his actions would be horribly damaging to Tyler. An 18 year old college student should have a grasp of reasoning.

Lock him up, deport him, set an example. We shouldn't fear the privacy of our sexual encounters to be publicly displayed, to be victimized for humiliation purposes. I have a keen interest in this crime, for I am Rutgers Alum who also happens to be a gay man, this story is one I take personally.

I think this smug piece of scum is gay himself and envied Tyler for living his life the way he wanted to. I can't think of many hetero dudes who would want to do this unless they got off on it a bit.

When this was done in American Pie, it was done with a guy and a girl and it was meant to be funny and embarrass the guy in front of his peers because he had no game. In this situation, this dude doesn't seem like a prankster, or a comedian, he just seems like a dic*. He was either jealous or cruel.

We must be careful of the closets we chose to hide in. While hidden most of the time our self consciousness and guilt rises high and when we are exposed when find that the foundation we once stood on is no longer there. therefore we have no other option but to fall....and sometimes its fatal.

About Ravi, his actions are clearly wrong and he should be appropriately and fairly punished.

when he goes to prison, he'll know how it will feel to have other men watching him kiss another guy. good luck, he's gonna need it.

JH - I understand your frustration. It seems like any crime is a hate crime because you certainly don't commit one against someone out of love. However, the reasoning is that some people think they are justified in injuring or even killing someone of a different race or sexual orientation, and the law either doesn't apply to them or they'll get away with a slap on the wrist. This is meant to drive it home that whether or not YOU think it is right, it is still against the law. You would think such Captain Obvious measures wouldn't be necessary, but, unfortuantely, it is.

I hope they make a real good example of him. My last college roommate was clearly some creature from hell who I found out was stealing jewelry and prescription medications out of my room to support a drug habit. Then when I confronted her she said that, as insurance to keep me quiet, she had planted cocaine in my room and if I didn't cooperate I was a phone call away from getting busted. Fortunately my cousin owned a retired DEA dog, he brought him over and Brutus didn't find anything, so obviously she was bluffing, and I moved out. I didn't have a legal leg to stand on because I had no proof other than her confession which I didn't record. Twenty years later I still have nightmares about it, and I haven't had a roommate that wasn't related to me since.

the problem is that he has no remorse. If he's secretly gay..that's his deal but he should not have done what he did. Privacy vs personal freedom. What's more important? He does have the right to be gay, privately or publicly .However, he does not have the right to knowingly violate someone else's privacy. I feel really bad for all parties involved. If they send him back to India, they hate gays there, that might be a hell worse than jail. Community service, he has no remorse that would not work, I don't believe it would work, send him to school on top of that,I don't think so. Do 6 years and then put him , ban him from skype,web cam in the future so he can't do it again. That's the penalty for his family not teaching him any empathy, they need to learn that we accept all people here. Or at least we try too, within the law.

Well, I just finished listening to the Ravi's father make his statement to the court and now I know where Ravi got his attitude. Instead of personalizing his son and making him more sympathetic, the father spent his time lecturing the court and blaming the media. What the heck. I feel bad for Ravi. Didn't his lawyer tell the family this is NOT the time to argue his son's innocence. He was found guilty. This is when you talk about what a good kid you brought up. I don't hear anything about charitable works or kind acts. I'm listening to his mom and she's not doing the kid much good either. It's all about how this is hard on their family and kid. All they talk about is how smart and special he is. If he'd been out doing some good works that would have played better. Geesh....

JH, yes, there would have been a trial had he spied on a heterosexual couple like that. Seriously. He never would have done it had it been a heterosexual couple. However, what he did was definitely invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of emotional distress. He meant to humiliate Clementi.

If anyone feels that this kid did nothing wrong... you need to put yourself in the other person's shoes. I would not want Anyone video recording anything going on in my room. How many sexual content is put on the web without permission today? Child Porn is a BIG ONE. Who goes to say that this guy isn't that sick in the head to alter the video to have Clementi appear to be doing something he wasn't supposed to be doing??? Invasion of Privacy is the issue here. When Ravi graduated HS and decided to attend college, he gave the impression that he was a mature adult - meaning this wasn't high school, this was a University - he should be mature enough to know that Pranks end during high school and people can get hurt... emotionally and physically. He didn't realize that if it were someone recording him and his partner (female or male) and showed it around campus - he would have been very quick to file Invasion of Privacy and claim it as being racist towards him being Indian. He needs to be sentenced to time in prison so he can FEEL what its like to be stripped of all your privacy and then deported to India - and make sure that Department of Homeland Security has strict guidelines on that. Being bullied is getting too far nowadays and in order for people to learn that it needs to STOP -- we have to start HERE. He did the crime - let him pay the time. I support his sentence 150%.

NJ 2C:14-9. Invasion of privacy, degree of crime; defenses, privileges

a. An actor commits a crime of the fourth degree if, knowing that he is not licensed or privileged to do so, and under circumstances in which a reasonable person would know that another may expose intimate parts or may engage in sexual penetration or sexual contact, he observes another person without that person's consent and under circumstances in which a reasonable person would not expect to be observed.

b. An actor commits a crime of the third degree if, knowing that he is not licensed or privileged to do so, he photographs, films, videotapes, records, or otherwise reproduces in any manner, the image of another person whose intimate parts are exposed or who is engaged in an act of sexual penetration or sexual contact, without that person's consent and under circumstances in which a reasonable person would not expect to be observed.

c. An actor commits a crime of the third degree if, knowing that he is not licensed or privileged to do so, he discloses any photograph, film, videotape, recording or any other reproduction of the image of another person whose intimate parts are exposed or who is engaged in an act of sexual penetration or sexual contact, unless that person has consented to such disclosure. For purposes of this subsection, "disclose" means sell, manufacture, give, provide, lend, trade, mail, deliver, transfer, publish, distribute, circulate, disseminate, present, exhibit, advertise or offer. Notwithstanding the provisions of subsection b. of N.J.S. 2C:43-3, a fine not to exceed $ 30,000 may be imposed for a violation of this subsection.

d. It is an affirmative defense to a crime under this section that:

(1) the actor posted or otherwise provided prior notice to the person of the actor's intent to engage in the conduct specified in subsection a., b., or c., and

(2) the actor acted with a lawful purpose.

e. (1) It shall not be a violation of subsection a. or b. to observe another person in the access way, foyer or entrance to a fitting room or dressing room operated by a retail establishment or to photograph, film, videotape, record or otherwise reproduce the image of such person, if the actor conspicuously posts at the entrance to the fitting room or dressing room prior notice of his intent to make the observations, photographs, films, videotapes, recordings or other reproductions.

(2) It shall be a violation of subsection c. to disclose in any manner any such photograph, film, videotape or recording of another person using a fitting room or dressing room except under the following circumstances:

(a) to law enforcement officers in connection with a criminal prosecution;

(b) pursuant to subpoena or court order for use in a legal proceeding; or

(c) to a co-worker, manager or supervisor acting within the scope of his employment.

f. It shall be a violation of subsection a. or b. to observe another person in a private dressing stall of a fitting room or dressing room operated by a retail establishment or to photograph, film, videotape, record or otherwise reproduce the image of another person in a private dressing stall of a fitting room or dressing room.

g. For purposes of this act, a law enforcement officer, or a corrections officer or guard in a correctional facility or jail, who is engaged in the official performance of his duties shall be deemed to be licensed or privileged to make and to disclose observations, photographs, films, videotapes, recordings or any other reproductions.

h. Notwithstanding the provisions of N.J.S. 2C:1-8 or any other provisions of law, a conviction arising under subsection b. of this section shall not merge with a conviction under subsection c. of this section, nor shall a conviction under subsection c. merge with a conviction under subsection b.

TFNJ - I didn't miss anything. I still don't think there is a case. And to a bunch of other people, you don't convict someone just because they are "smug". Hell - 1/2 the population of this country would be in prison if that is the case.

And why was my first comment collapsed. I'm really tired of people collapsing comments just because they don't agree. It's childish & immature. Grow a thicker skin people.

Anyone just hear the judge? He just told Ravi that never once during this trial has he apologised or seemed remorseful. Hit the nail on the head.

This b/s of people using the internet to destroy other people's lives has got to stop. Posting on FB and other social networking sites without the person's permission is nothing more than defamation of character. Newspapers and television news stations must get the person's permission before showing them in any type of story or they're liable for a law suit. What in blue blazes is wrong with people anymore. All they want to do is hurt others and then laugh about it... Make an example of this douche bag and then publicize that story on FB and You Tube...

BZe1,

The difference between the gay guy and the fake celebrities (one being Kim Kardashian) who made sex tapes is that they did not kill themselves as a result of the tape being leaked.

you guys keep saying he was smirking but in some cultures it is a sign of fear so dont judge what you think another person is thinking

But it's starting to sound like the judge is going to let him off with a light sentence. It certainly sounds like he's leaning toward no prison time or deportation. Probation and community service. What BS.

no the difference was the cops siezed the video not him selling/leak the video

juando, can you tell me what culture uses smirks as fear? I really like to learn different cultures.

To add to Donna's legal post - thank you - the couple was not having s*x in public. Clementi and his partner were alone in the dormroom - Ravi had set up the webcam so that it could be operated from a remote site. And yes, as a volunteer crisis phone counselor I assure you that you don't have to be gay to be mortified that your roommate and their friends are slimeball pieces of excrement who would do this to you. It happens more often than you know - it just doesn't make the news because not all of these kids end up committing suicide over it, fortunately. But they wouldn't be calling the crisis line if they weren't in serious pain.

Really Barry? A hate crime? You are wrong sir. It was character assasination and in horrible taste. That's it. Just because somebody reacts in an extreme way, like jumping off a bridge, don't make an secretly video taping someone a hate crime. This is the new society we live in. Everyone has access to a public forum at their fingertips. Get used to these kind of situations because that's our future.

I'm not sure I get the judges thinking. I just listened to him say that they can't send a message that Ravi's behavior is ok and there is no real punishment for such behavior but then he goes and hands out a toothless sentence. Talk about mixed messages. Fines, probation, community service, and a short jail term are the least they could have done.

Light sentence as predicted. Not too sure I understand the "Stay" process, but he got off easy. His family will probably easily pay the $11 k fine. I also heard the judge mention that this can all be expunged in the future. He got a slap on the wrist.

A little sanity people. I just watched the sentencing. As the judge noted, he did this filming 2X. Moreover, he destroyed evidence and tampered with a witness. He got really lucky on the sentence. However, as a non-US citizen, there is still the chance he could be deported down the road. He should do everything he can to keep his nose clean.

This piece of filth got off easy. Hopefully they will deport him. We have enough ignorant people born here. Don't need to import more.

This was overcharged from the beginning as I think was the Sanford Fl. case. Hate crime is never charged fairly. It is only charged against some segments of society and that is wrong. If a gay were to kill a hetero hate crime would never be charged even if he was yelling his hate at the time he did it and the same goes for black on white crime.

lmao!

As far as I am concerned, the jail term seems appropriate for the crime at this point. VERY LIGHT sentence though which continues to re-enforce heterosexual rights to discriminate against gays/lesbians.

To me, this individual should be a registered sex offender for as long as he remains in the US.

sex offendern. generic term for all persons convicted of crimes involving sex, including rape, molestation, sexual harassment and pornography production or distribution. In mosst states convicted sex offenders are supposed to report to local police authorities, but many do not. (See: rape, molestation, sexual harassment, pornography)

On a lighter note, anyone see the Clementi's other son? Did it not look exactly like Tyler?

Wow. Didn't know there were so many experts at reading facial expressions here on the vine.

That being said, 30 days seems way too light. I don't think people should necessarily be held accountable for other people's actions. You never know when an off comment made to someone under any number of circumstances will be something that pushes that person over the edge.

The simple fact that he video taped a couple (any couple!), and then shared it with others, to me, would warrant 1-2 years in prison. If not able to anticipate suicide, Ravi had to know at the very least that it would be harmful to Clementi in some way. I think Ravi did it, not out of hate, but just because he thought it would be funny.

No one is laughing now.

I work with elementary school kids. I cannot begin to tell you the number of times I have been told "I didn't mean to do it" from a K-5th grader who I have confronted about incorrect behavior...sometimes even in the presence of a crying peer! NO REMORSE...NO REGRET! Just a CYA mentality! So many young people (even those in their 20's) are just not interested in taking responsibility for their own choices! What a generation! I think we have just discovered the tip of the iceberg in the ocean of Denial!

Makes me absolutely sick that this guy got off so easily, especially since he showed no regret, no compassion. I do agree that this generation is much different than even the kids of ten years ago. It makes me fear for the future of this country.

"He recorded his own room. You cannot have an expectation of privacy when you share a dorm room. Period. He did nothing wrong."

I'm putting a webcam in "my own" bathroom. If you use it, you can't expect privacy.

30 days? That is a joke, a year and a day, would have been sufficient time to think about his wrong, and the outcome of it. This sentence will not deter others from doing the same, what a shame.

woah Woah WOAH, Paul!

CAUTION!!! Get ready for a deluge of bitch-slapping dead ahead!

At least now we know. If I want to web-cam broadcast people having sex; without their consent, and they find out and report me to police.....the worst thing that will happen is 30 days in jail....and the people wouldn't even need to kill themselves because of the stress/pain/humiliation from the series of events.

Good to know.

This guy didn't do anything wrong.

Yeah he did. That's why he was found guilty.

Welcome to reality outside your fantasy point of view.

At least that could be pointed out to you. Paul is literally in need of therapy.

Wow Paul. Really? You are really blaming Tyler's parents for this whole thing? Wow. I was ready to launch into this whole diatribe, but there ain't no fixin stupid. I really hope you're just a troll, and that you're saying that to get a rise out of people. It would be much more depressing if that's how you really thought.

Paul is demonstrating his limited knowledge of anatomy. lol

he knows where the genitals are

What Ravi did was totally stupid and immature! It's obvious his parents didn't show him boundaries and respect for other people's privacy. Nor awareness and compassion for what other people might be going through! What he did was morally wrong, regardless if the other person was gay, straight or his own parents ! Often we confuse "weakness" or "been a loser" with the realization that we are one! We all come from the same source! And then we have to pass it on to our children, if we want a better world! Otherwise, this is the result.

I agree with "JS in SD", fines, probation and community service in organizations working for gays will do a lot more than putting him in jail, and hopefully, will open his maind a little bit. I hope he learned that when you do something stupid you pay dearly for it.

The lesson people need to learn is if you can't live with your actions then don't do it. there is always the chance you might be caught. so its up to each individual to monitor them selves. if you can't handle the attention then you are not grown up enough to do what you are doing. its BS this thing ever went this far I'm ashamed of our society for the mindless, probing, finger pointing, meddling, accusing, dependent and dysfunctional pos's destroying this country. people need to grow up and be accountable for yourselves Tyler brought this pain to his family Tyler is to blame, its over.

While 30 days in jail is light, clearly this kid and many others will never be so insensitive again. I am certain that this ordeal has brought this insensitivity to the light and others will think twice. That is what we can hope for is a lesson learned.

RFK said this weekend that he did not cause his wife to commit suicide. The left and the media wholeheartedly agree that she was sick and weak. However, he also was going to trial this next month to take the children away and reduce monthly money paid to his wife. So yes, he didn't make her kill herself, but he sure gave her reasons to do so. So he pushed all the buttons that ONLY he would know the results since she had threatened suicide many times before.

This is what happened in the above case. The convicted didn't force the deceased young man to kill himself due to the act of kissing another male, but it was enough to push him over the edge and take his life. Did the roommate know the deceased well enough to know it would be devastating for him? Maybe...like RFK.

I feel that Ravi's sentence is fair. He unnecessarily invaded his room mates privacy and posted it to the internet for anyone to see. Also, people who say that, as it was a shared dorm room, Tyler shouldn't have expected any privacy, you're slightly mistaken. Yes, in a dorm room, there are many privacy issues that you deal with, but when the room is empty and you don't expect your room mate to be back for a little while, it is perfectly acceptable to become intimate with a significant other as no one really expects their room mate to record them via webcam. Whether this was a homosexual or a heterosexual couple, it was still a breach of a persons privacy and is wrong and seeing as how much this whole situation escalated, then the sentence is highly appropriate. Ravi is not to be blamed for Tyler's suicide, but he was helping no one with his behavior.

Also, Paul-1261354, I believe that you need to go read a recent article on MSN about a psychologist who is currently apologizing for attempting to find a "cure" for homosexuality. He is now admitting that it is not a disease and you would do well to at least respect others enough to know that saying someone loves another because they are sick only causes more cases like Tyler's.

> Seven2Seven

> I saw this guy in an interview and he is a total A-Hole. No recognition of what he did or any

> accountability. He will soon experience the tail side up experience as the general prison

>population gets their taste of "Indian Currry".........

Looks like Seven2Seven is a RACIST and a moron. I 'm not sure the number of sausages "Seve2Seven" tasted in prison & missed Indian curry. If you feel Ravi has to be convicted how abt Santorum and RIGHT wing whites in US

It seems Ravi's awareness about gay people comes from his education at home and his culture. I don't think he intended to cause anyone's death. It was a prank that got out of hand.

As for Clementi, it's sad he decided to end his life, but I think his decision came from other issues as well.

Ravi's sentence was a travesty of justice. I believe that the court caved in to the pleas by gay activists for leniency b/c of fears of a backlash against the gay community with a harsh sentence. Ravi faced up to 10 years and he should be serving at least a few years in my book. This slap on the wrist reinforces the ridiculous notion that it was just a prank gone wrong. Really sad. I hope now that a civil case will ensue so that Ravi can be haunted for a long time.

And please don't collapse Paul's post. His ignorance and lack of compassion truly deserve to be witnessed.

Such an absurd sentencing sends a message "your life ain't worth jack". It gives freedom to bully, humiliate and push a young gay person over the edge just for the "fun" of it. I think it is disgraceful and the judge is full of hot air with this sentence. It's a light slap on the wrist for something really horrific. The damage that so called "normal straights" do to gay people could fill the seas. It's time to send a message that it is not acceptable and it is a crime to push people beyoud their limits and then claim it was a "harmless" prank. This young bully needs to be taught a lesson. A sentencing that makes sense and deportation would be appropriate. His callus disregard for another human being is obvious in his attitude through out the trail and his parents example is just the bedrock of their homophobia. It has to stop and the only way to stop the hate is to send a strong message that it is unacceptable. A crime is a crime and it has little to do with the suicide and more to do with Ravi's intent. Vicious, callus and meant to wound and inujure. He should have a criminal record and people should be made aware of just who he is--a poor excuse for a human being.

I think Paul should add his picture to his account. That way people can show their kids who not to be like.

Well said D Buck. Unfortunately we are a blame society. Someone has to pay for anothers actions. He jumped off a bridge. He wasn't pushed.

Whoa, whoa whoa,. Pushing a fay person beyond their limits. So how exactly can it be proven that taunting someone makes you responsible if they are so weak of will as to kill themselves over the taunting. That is pure BS. This was tragic. This was a stupid prank. However, what no-one wants to talk about is the fatc that Tyler committed suicide. The same way that it can;t really be proven if the taping led Tyler to kill himself or whether tyler would have killed himself over another issue. If one can bring themselves to kill themselves over anything it shows a weak spirit. The boy had problems that were not addressed. He was not honest with himself or anyone else for that matter. Stop acting like this is 1960's 70's america when gays had to hide out in the closet. If there are closeted gays nowadays, that is on them for being disengenuous to their own selves. Tyler killed himself. Will no-one hold the fact he killed himself against him or is it to easy to blame his roommate for an act that was probably in-evitable based on his actually killing himself. He obviously had it in him to end his life, this just happened to be the time he acted on it.

I don't mean to sound so insensitive by my last comment. A life lost is a tragic thing. I don't mean to speak so lightly of it. My point is that the kid killed himself because of whatever torment was going on in his head. That is his doing. If he didn't jump then would it be such a horrible "hate crime". I think not.

So the liberals have now added "in-sensitivity" to the list of punishable crimes..

Don't hurt that guy/girls feelings, it may cost you thirty days if they decide to end their lives over something crass. Suicide is for the weak and blame should be attributed thusly to the weak who commit it.

Paul,

What about the stick and the "other hole"-in the facial region? Many people making "it's not natural" comments seem to have no problem with a little thing called oral sex. If that's not unnatural, I don't know what is. No procreation there, either. If you find fault with one, you have to find fault with the other. It's illogical to argue one is more unnatural-neither causes procreation. Just because you happen to enjoy one and not the other, is not a rational argument. Sex isn't just for procreation, its widely maintained to be just an enjoyable experience too! What gives you (or me) the right to tell someone else how to enjoy their body?

Here's the thing- I live in NJ and have been following this case pretty closely. Those who are most outraged by the sentence clearly were not following the trial and are reacting emotionally to what they think happened.

Facts as revealed during the trial -

• the video was never posted on the internet for the world to see. It was only broadcast on one computer and only 7 or 8 people saw maybe 10 seconds worth of kissing. Just enought ot see what was going on, get a good "ewww" out of everyone and then it was turned off again.
• they did not view the 2 guys having sex, the only thing witnessed was kissing.
• He was not on trial for killing the guy and the suicide is inconsequental to the ruling. Since he was not found guilty of the kids death, the suicide should have no bearing on this.
• Tyler was not outed, he had already come out to family and friends when the incident took place.

My opinion - the guy's a douche. But those calling for his head are asking him to be punished for not being nice, for not liking someone. Was what he did mean spirited? absolutely. Would I want this guy for a friend? hell no. Is what he did criminal? Maybe, I think it's a gray area and an argument can be made one way or the other. Does this guy deserve 10 years in jail? NO. Remember folks that there are rapists and thieves and drunk drivers that don't get that kind of time.

Save the tax payers some money and send is sad arse back where he came from! He don't get what he did wrong and never will. Just more problems coming and more of our money spent on him. SEND HIM HOME AND BE DONE WITH IT

I love how every story involving a crime gets many people complaining about "Our Tax Dollars".

Are prisons a new concept?

THe lest surprising thing about this board is the amount of posts reflecting a male prison rape fixation. What is it with you guys?

What is with all those comments about 'smirk', 'not showing remorse' and the likes? He's a teenager and has been made to feel that he killed his roommate and has been through a trial while having never been in a court before this trial. he's not a Hollywood actor to pose with remorse, apology because the cameras were focused on him. I'm sure he was doing what his attorney told him to. Taping someone else and posting it online is very wrong and should be punished, and that's what he's getting. Being an adoloscent, he certainly needs counselling after this ordeal, so that he really understands what he got wrong and why he is being punished the way he is. The parents of the boy that killed himself need to take responsibility for the death of their son - they didn't help him overcome things such as someone invading his privacy and move on with life. They didn't make him feel safe after his (probably) secret private life was made known to them. The judge is right - the parents will not find closure blaming someone else for their son's death

The real problem that everyone seems to be missing is that it is taking longer for our children to mature. I would expect this from but be very disappointed in a child of 13-15 years old. This child was 20. Children like this watch Hollywood films that show pranks like this so these children think it's ok. I blame the parents. Too bad the world is filling up with more and more of them.

15 months before this event occurred, getting caught having gay sex was punishable with up to a 10-year jail sentence in India where Ravi was from. That isn't a good excuse when a foreign student comes to America to study, but it might help explain Ravi's level of bias some. This event happened less than a month into Ravi's first freshman semester, after a request for a roommate change was not acted upon quickly by school staff. There are still plenty of places in America's South and Heartland where an openly gay college roommate who insisted on having gay sex in a shared dorm room could very well face the same kind of behavior out of American college students too. I am fully in favor of gay rights myself, but I feel that the university could have done a better job than to place a foreign student from a country with a much different tradition involving homosexuality into a housing situation where he would immediately be exposed to a situation that he might be very uncomfortable with based on his own background and long-standing beliefs, and as such, the university should bear some of the responsibility for the outcome too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8129836.stm

This was a prank based on longstanding foreign political and religious beliefs that could have been avoided if the university had been more sensitive to the belief systems of foreign students. This very same kind of thing goes on all over America thanks to the invention of webcams and the inclusion of spy cameras in laptops. It is quite likely going on right now in thousands of dorm rooms, bedrooms, and motel rooms, and my guess that nobody who gets surreptitiously filmed today will commit suicide over it. American high school students seem to enjoy sexting, kind of like my generation enjoyed getting stoned. How was anyone to know that Tyler Clementi was so incredibly sensitive, and not just from Ravi's actions, that he would choose to end his life over multiple issues, only one of which was because of Ravi's actions, which were intrusive but non-violent.

How many kids commit suicide because someone caught them masturbating? Should the person who happened to walk-in on an event like that get charged with murder or manslaughter over it because they told someone else about it, if the "victim" decides to kill themselves later over multiple issues?

Yes, I'll agree that some message needed to be sent in this case, and that message may yet include a lawsuit against Rutgers University, whom I feel could have done a much better job than to place a foreign student from a country where homosexuality was felony crime just 15 months earlier into a living situation with an openly gay student here. Perhaps someday the world will be a liberal enough place so that a person's sexual proclivities won't matter to anyone else, but we are not yet at that point now.

When I was a college freshman in 1975 many schools did not allow sexual relations of any kind in their dormitories, gay or straight, so in my day many students exercised discretion and went to motels instead of forcing their roommate out of their dorm room. I know that New Jersey motels are often somewhat more expensive than they are in Kansas, but for want of $69 for Ho-Jo's this kid might still be alive today.

http://www.hojo.com/hotels/new-jersey/new-brunswick/howard-johnson-express-inn-new-brunswick-nj/hotel-overview?reg=Local-_-all-_-HJ-_-all&cid=IP_Local&wid=local:&iataNumber=00065402

If it were not for the suicide, this never even would have been discovered. Because of the death, the press whipped this into a frenzy and the prosecutor used this for political gain *SHOCK*.

Because of yet another suicide by a gay man, the GBLT alliance have attacked this Ravi person as the worst thing to ever be born. Instead of working to help those who are gay understand why they might not be fully accepted by everyone, the GBLT people spend all of their efforts attacking the majority of people who don't accept them. Personally, I just don't care, but I also don't want to know.

As to the sentence, it appears to be appropriate. The judge had to give him some jail time, yet the real time is the three years probation, the 300 hours community service, the fine and the sensitivity training classes. There was no finding of a hate crime. There may have been some bias, but being biased is not a crime (yet...)

As to Dharun Ravi (and his lawyer) he should have at least made something of a remorseful statement. As has often been said, show you care, even if you have to fake it. The guy is still an insensitive jerk, he should not have done this in the first place. Failing to show the world that you care that another person has died, a person you did know, just shows the world that you are a jerk and don't really deserve leniency.

This piece of crap deserves a lot more than what he got! But I do believe in karma, and what goes around comes around.

Really Barry? A hate crime? You are wrong sir. It was character assasination and in horrible taste. That's it. Just because somebody reacts in an extreme way, like jumping off a bridge, don't make an secretly video taping someone a hate crime.

Frankly, the fact that Clementi killed himself is irrelevant to this case. Ravi wasn't on trial for that. However, it WAS a hate crime because Ravi violated Clementi's privacy because Clementi was gay. In other words, he selected his victim based on the victim's sexual orientation (or perceived sexual orientation).

dirp,

"Because of yet another suicide by a gay man, the GBLT alliance have attacked this Ravi person as the worst thing to ever be born. Instead of working to help those who are gay understand why they might not be fully accepted by everyone,..."

Of all the ignorant, bigotted POS! It's YOUR tiny, "I'm a superior being" mind that really needs "adjusting". Crawl back under the rock you came from. At least that will make this world a much, much better place.

Demar,

Sorry but you're wrong. Ravi did "push him off of the bridge" by exposing a private (you do understand the meaning of "private"?) act. That was the primary event that precipitated all the rest of the events in this case.

I'm suprised that some justice prevailed! The suicide didn't have anything to do with Ravi. It has everything to do with an individula with a genetic defect that didn't get the help he needed.

Another case of lawyers taking someone to the cleaners. They didn't take the plea bargain ... which was with no jail time ... instead ... the family had to pay these monkeys for a long trial with a conviction at the end ... imbursement up the u know what and a $10,000.00 fine on top of that .... they féd up big time.

And to sit there with a grin because their client didn't get prison time is dishearteningly sad!!!!

AND NOW ... a civil suit will follow ... doesn't pay to be a jerk .............

Well, he'll know soon enough what it's like to kiss a man once he gets to prison! I say he'll be someone's property within 30 seconds........so it looks like he'll get a big ration of justice served up in the form of "Bubba"!

Justice prevailed. It is utterly tragic what Tyler's family is going through. I also believe Dharun is at least part responsible for Tyler's death. However that doesnt make Dharun a criminal.

We live in a society and a culture that is wiser than asking for an eye for an eye. If we started clamoring for an eye for an eye then that would turn America into Saudi Arabia.

I am an Indian and I do believe Dharun Ravi owes an apology to Tyler's parents. Howsoever late and little but he must do that.

It's strange, but a cousin of mine has a son who looks very similar to this young man. It looks as if he is smirking, but that is just the way his face is.

I think it was wrong for him to tape his roommate, downright rude, in fact. That is the problem in this country anymore... no manners, no courtesy, no consideration or compassion. IMO, that seems to be the reason for more bullying than ever before.

30 f**king days? If I someone was caught with some weed, that's the sentence they would get. BS. This major j**rkoff walked away, scott free with manslaughter. Great message to send Judge Glenn Berman. Let hate crimes and homophobia flourish, hope you are proud of yourself, to let this POS continue to live in this country. Tell me Judge Berman, would you feel differently if the hate crime was Semitic? What a joke. Wonder why gays want equal rights? Here you go, still second class citizens. Ravi needs to be treated as a leper, a pariah, never should he have any quality of life in this country, no degree, no quality employment, force this supposed man back to his country of origin. I am sickened by this miscarriage of justice.

gato...I'm not sure why people think like you do, but rape is rape and it is never ok. FYI...He will not be going to prison. He will spend his 30 days in jail...less good time. He'll be there a bit over two weeks most likely. In order to be sent to prison, in most states, you have to be sentenced to more than a year.

The real problem for Ravi's family appears that they are dissapointed that their golden child will not be a candidate for President in the future. He will not be able to run for public office and be the first "Indian" anything. I think that is what really pains them. Their perfect little child screwed up and got caught. It will affect his future and they are rabid about that. Too bad. So sad. I do hope there as a first Indian something...just not this guy. Diversity is what makes America beautiful....All the colors and cultures make our country shine.

Ravi got what he deserved. I find that same smugness from many Indians here in NJ, and I'd bet much of his may be due to his upbringing. What Ravi was quilty of was invasion of personal privacy.

Problem here with personal privacy is people here better get used to having your privacy invaded as it is legal for the government to invade it due to NDAA, Patriot Act, Homeland Security along with other rights they are snuffing out with HR 347

ALOPRAXOLAMERICA - He wasn't on trial for manslaughter, are you commenting on the right story? Or do you believe in punishing people for thought crimes? Evidence shows that he claimed his mother disowned him right before he jumped, so if that's a contributing factor do you approve of prosecuting her?

People COMMIT suicide. No one else is responsible for that.

wryview--yes, this person committed a crime.

First, he made a video of someone who was engaging in private behavior (and not in a public setting) without his knowledge. In the given state, that alone is against the law. You also can not use your camera phone in a public restroom to make a video of someone--even if you never showed it to someone else--because that is a violation of privacy.

There was also a violation of the law regarding tampering with evidence. Further, there was a violation of the law in terms of tampering with witnesses.

There are some other laws/codes that the person violated--most of them are relatively minor, but they were enhanced because this person picked his victim specifically because of his sexual orientation and not just at random. Still, even without the enhancement, this person still was clearly guilty.

He was offered the chance to get a very light "sentence" in return for pleading guilty to a very minor charge--it would have involved no jail time. This person either got very bad advice from his attorney, or he really is so narcissistic that he believed he would not be found guilty (and probably still thinks he will eventually get off). People from India in the highest caste (and this person probably is very high caste) do not believe that they can be found guilty just like "common criminals." They expect to buy their way out.

I don't know that this person actually has to go to jail--perhaps the sentence was "stayed" while he is on probation, this story isn't particularly clear. I think that the sentence for this person, as a whole, is fair enough. It is not as though he drove Clementi to the bridge and egged him into jumping. Something else happened--I don't know what--that set Clementi off. It was probably tied to this particular incident, but we'll never know as Clementi didn't share it. Perhaps he was told in no uncertain terms that his career as a professional violinist was over because of this video--and, you know, that might have been true. A person's life can be destroyed quickly by some video on the Internet.

The lack of remorse for the consequences (intended or not) of his actions--and whether or not the young man was smirking, he did not do the obligatory apology in court--really does sway people. He is lucky it did not sway the judge into throwing the book at him. He should pay his fine, do his community service, and hope that he doesn't actually have to serve any time at all (well, not above a weekend).

But, if anyone really thinks that this young man did nothing wrong, I hope that you get videoed the next time you use a public restroom and that the video is posted on the Internet. You might change your mind, then.

You cannot have an expectation of privacy when you share a dorm room. Period. He did nothing wrong.

Do you have an expectation of privacy in a shared space like a gym or public BATHROOM? Of course you do! Try running a webcam in there and see if you don't get beat down. In one's BEDROOM, which is what a dorm room is, there IS an expectation of privacy, albeit it can be violated when your ROOMMATE is THERE, when you are alone, an expectation of privacy is the norm.

HE DID SOMETHING WRONG.

so he should serve 10+ years in jail because the guy jumped off a bridge? Im sure there were other issues in this mans life and to blame it ALL on Ravi is not fair. Everyone in college does STUPID things...a friend threw an empty wine bottle out of MY window and I got in trouble for it!

I don't think there is any reasonable person who can look at this case and say that Ravi did not do anything wrong or that he does not deserve to be punished.

But i think the disagreement is regarding the quantum of that punishment.

Please read the following and make up your own mind. Pay careful attention to the legalese of what constitutes a 4th degree or 3rd degree invasion of privacy and to how the offense was elevated to bias intimidation bye an overzealous prosecutor despite the prosecution's utter and complete failure to show that Ravi had any prior history of being against gays either in his behavior or his comments.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/05/02/how-dharun-ravis-prosecutors-turned-a-mi

@vfeinstein - "recording people without their knowledge or consent is illegal"

Sorry, but that's not necessarily true. If it were, installing nannycams would be illegal. The man who put a recorder on his autistic son to catch his teachers abusing him would be arrested. The TV show Punk'd would be illegal. It is completely legal to record someone in a public domain or in your own domain.

This is a direct quote from the article i linked above ...

".....Yet the jury did not find that Ravi spied on Clementi "with a purpose to intimidate" him "because of" his "sexual orientation," which would fit the main definition of bias intimdation. Instead it went with an alternative definition, concluding (based on thin evidence) that Clementi felt intimidated and "reasonably believed" that was Ravi's purpose. In other words, Ravi's guilt hinged not on his actual intent but on his victim's presumed perception of his intent. That bizarre approach raises clear due process issues, since it means Ravi committed a crime without realizing it. He did not know he was guilty of bias intimidation until the jury retroactively read the mind of his dead roommate......"

I think the judge was fair in his decision. While this young man was not directly responsible for someone else suicide( can other bullies be sued for that too?) , he was caught lying to the police and deleting evidence.

I think the gay community is making too much of this. If a heterosexual person was videotaped kissing and then it posted around the school, there would be some notoriety for it, but for the most part the talk would have died down by the end of the semester. Rutgers is a liberal school, so I'm pretty sure that would be the case. Tyler obvioulsy had other emotional problems that his parents' didn't teach him how to deal with for which, led to his death.

I think they were just looking for someone else to blame.

The homosexuals make a big deal out of everything, bc they act like whimpering children for their 15 min of fame. Hey, DonnaNJ2012, dont bother quoting the law, bc too many think they can do whatever they want to in our society without suffering the consequences. This punk should have been made an example and 30 days? What a crock.

Half of the morons that post on here don't realize a lot of the facts behind the case. They see what they want to see. "He had a camera on him taping his gay sex and spread it all over the internets for the world to see so the kid ran down the street and jumped off a bridge" "He is a bully, hates gays, and killed this poor innocent child" "He should go to jail forever!" "Hate crime" "Murderer". Most of you are really, really stupid and I am so embarrassed that I share this country with you. Guilty by the court of the typical stupid american public opinion.

I have nothing positive to say for you. You saw what you needed to see to form your mindless opinion. All I can tell you is that I am shocked that we would get to a point that guessing what a dead victim was thinking and then letting that guess dictate a court decision. SCARY!!!! You stupid people have no idea where this is going to go do you?. Watch this movie called Minority Report with Tom Cruise. That will be the world we live in. I hope you are proud of the direction that our laws are heading.

I believe in "evidence". Sorry, I know it's not convenient for you and your self serving false verdict. If you can honestly tell anyone what was in someones mind when they killed themselves then you would be the first mind reader ever! Congratulations! You have special powers. You must think you are the most super specialist person ever huh? Can I have your autograph? You are so awesome!

I don't have one bit of sympathy for this guy. He has shown no remorse. I doubt it will but I am hoping this will serve as an example to the next insensitive piece of @$%& who thinks doing something like this is cute or funny.

It is completely legal to record someone in a public domain or in your own domain.

WRONG. it is only legal if you are a part of it, and you know about it and consent -- you do not necessarily have to get the consent of the other party to record. However, if you are recording someone else's activities in a shared space that you do not have sole property rights to, and you are not a party to the recording nor does the person recorded consent, you have just committed a crime.

Tyler had just as much of an expectation of privacy in HIS shared room as Dharun had, and Dharun had no right to record Tyler's activities and broadcast them on the Internet without Tyler's permission. Tyler was committing no crime, but Dharun was.

Mr Accountability-2446281

The homosexuals make a big deal out of everything, bc they act like whimpering children for their 15 min of fame. Hey, DonnaNJ2012, dont bother quoting the law, bc too many think they can do whatever they want to in our society without suffering the consequences. This punk should have been made an example and 30 days? What a crock.

How is this a big deal out of nothing? What if it had been someone you know that was video taped and shared with a group of people? 2 weeks ago I read a story on MSNBC where two high school students tricked a woman in Louisville, Kentucky and video taped her under her dress and broadcast it on youtube. This is a crime and it is a big deal regardless of the victim. The fact that some in our society are more into protecting heterosexual rights than granting equal rights makes this case just a bit more sensitive.

This punk got off easy. I would've made him at least apologize publicly for being an insensitive, arrogant jerk that caused a young man to take his own life and sentence his family to a lifetime of grief. Morons like this need to be made to never forget. Hopefully his life turns to s--t and we read about his suicide in the future.

In his country "gay" is illegal as it was in this country a few years ago.

WRONG. Homosexuality has never been illegal in the US.

Most people in his and our country believe "gay" is not natural/normal, it's a sickness as much as any other mental disease.

WRONG AGAIN. Most people in THIS country believe in equality for gays, and do not believe it is a "sickness" or "mental disease" -- as the medical and scientific communities have stated. I think their word on this trumps yours.

As far as reproduction "gay" is a dead end.

WRONG AGAIN. Gays can and do reproduce; have you never heard of surrogacy or IVF? (In fact, heterosexuals who cannot have children often use those same methods.)

The "gays" and their cronies have forced this sick lifestyle on little school children.

WRONG AGAIN. Where has any sexual orientation been "forced" on little children?

Suggesting that the person you are posting against is queer has to be one of the most demeaning hateful, sick tag to hang on anyone.

Actually, studies show that YOU are probably a homosexual, since you are so outspokenly homophobic.

Gotta disagree, Tex. Your post is rife with hatred. Nobody scientific says homosexuality is an "illness". But you claim to know more than anyone else about the issue.

Gay people can most certainly reproduce, and homosexuality has NEVER been illegal in the USA. So your arguments have been thoroughly destroyed.

"Homos" don't go to Hell because there is no such place. Hell is only a fictional place in a perverted religious text called the Bible.

SHAME ON YOU!

Okay ...

I posted the links but apparently people prefer to comment without reading anything. That is the problem with our society today. Too many opinions not enough knowledge. But that is another topic.

The topic at hand is - Dharun Ravi's sentence.

There are lots of people posting here who think that Ravi's smirk and attitude should be punished by 10 years of prison. I am sorry but in this country we don't send people to prisons for being @!$%#s. The question here is - what law was broken and what the commensurate punishment should be - as per law. Not as per how you feel about Ravi's smirk or his lack of any apparent remorse.

Dharun Ravi setup a video cam to broadcast 5 minutes of his room mate kissing another man.

A fourth degree invasion of privacy crime is when a person sets up a recording device to record someone without their knowledge or consent.

A third degree invasion of privacy crime is when a person sets up a recording device to record a SEXUAL tryst between two people without their knowledge or consent such that their private parts are visible.

Dharun Ravi should have been charged with the first. It carries a maximum sentence of 3 years.

But instead he was charged with bias intimidation. Which means he recorded Tyler Clementi with the intent to intimidate him because he had a bias against gay people.

The prosecution could present not one person who could testify that Ravi ever displayed any kind of bias towards Tyler. The prosecution could not prove that Ravi wanted to intimidate Tyler.

Even one of the juries who returned a guilty verdict was later recorded on camera saying he did not believe Ravi should have been charged with Bias intimidation (They why the @!$%# did you return a unanimous guilty verdict you dick !!!)

Instead, the prosecution (and the juries) used a little known aspect of the law in determining Ravi's guilt. They determined that Tyler reasonably BELIEVED that Ravi intended to intimidate him out of bias. They charged Ravi by imagining what Tyler might have "believed" after Tyler was dead.

The very basis of our modern jurisprudence was turned on its head by this case. Whenever there is crime - the basic question that is asked in the court of law is - What was the motive. What was the intent of the perpetrator. But not in this case. Ravi's motive and intent were of no consequence. The only thing that matter was what Tyler felt. Infact, No.

The only thing that matter was what the juries THOUGHT Tyler felt.

And that is why this case is what i would call a total bloody bull@!$%# and i am happy to see the judge concurred and prevented a colossal miscarriage of justice from taking place.

TEX - You are right sodomy is illegal as per law but there are many such archaic outdated laws on the books and nobody cares about them.

Homosexuality is as natural as anything else. It is infact a common sexual behavior in all of animal kingdom. Humans are not the only ones who indulge in homosexual behavior.

As for religion - I understand if your religion guides you in how you live your life. But i don't know of any religion that asks you to make sure your neighbor is living the same life. Infact, most religions tell you NOT TO JUDGE OTHERS LEST YOU SHOULD BE JUDGED. If homosexuality is a sin - let it be between god and the homosexuals. They will square it among themselves on judgement day. In the meanwhile you love "thy neighbor" as thyself.

sodomy has been illegal in this country until the last few years

That's IT, Tex: sodomy was illegal in this country, NOT homosexuality.

Sex with animals still is.

WRONG AGAIN. Bestiality is only illegal in 35 states. However, NO ONE can marry an animal, since animals cannot legally consent to contracts.

most people do know homo's are not natural/normal.

STILL WRONG. Most people are more intelligent than you seem to be. Furthermore, most people know that sexual orientation is inborn (whether one is heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or asexual), and that homosexuality has been documented in approximately 1,500 animal species (besides humans).

BTW, what scientists have a "dog in the fight"? What proof do you have of this?

As far as religion is concerned, it is irrelevant -- we are a secular nation.

Homo's already have the same rights, they can even marry the same as us.

YET AGAIN WRONG. That same argument was attempted by those who opposed interracial marriage in the 1960s; it was bull@!$%# then, and it's still bull@!$%#. Homosexuals cannot marry the consenting adults of their choosing, as heterosexuals can.

Your statement regarding "shrinks" got all the attention it deserved. It is not just the "shrinks" who have stated that homosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality; many other people in the scientific field who have conducted studies on the subject agree.

get a third grader to explain that it takes a male and female.

STILL WRONG. I didn't say they could reproduce with each other, but they CAN and DO reproduce. As I said, you've obviously never heard of surrogacy, IVF, or artificial insemination. THAT demonstrates YOUR simplicity.

I pointed out that the lifestyle was forced on children, and it is, they are not even allowed to object to this sick teaching.

STILL WRONG AGAIN. What "lifestyle" is being "forced" on children, and where is this happening? You have not supported ANY of your claims with evidence to back them up (because no such evidence exists).

Oh, yes, YOU are definitely in the closet:

New Study Links Homophobia with Homosexual Arousal

August 1996 Press Release

WASHINGTON -- Psychoanalytic theory holds that homophobia -- the fear, anxiety, anger, discomfort and aversion that some ostensibly heterosexual people hold for gay individuals -- is the result of repressed homosexual urges that the person is either unaware of or denies. A study appearing in the August 1996 issue of the Journal of Abnormal Psychology, published by the American Psychological Association (APA), provides new empirical evidence that is consistent with that theory.

Researchers at the University of Georgia conducted an experiment involving 35 homophobic men and 29 nonhomophobic men as measured by the Index of Homophobia scale. All the participants selected for the study described themselves as exclusively heterosexual both in terms of sexual arousal and experience.

Each participant was exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual and lesbian videotapes (but not necessarily in that order). Their degree of sexual arousal was measured by penile plethysmography, which precisely measures and records male tumescence.

Men in both groups were aroused by about the same degree by the video depicting heterosexual sexual behavior and by the video showing two women engaged in sexual behavior. The only significant difference in degree of arousal between the two groups occurred when they viewed the video depicting male homosexual sex: 'The homophobic men showed a significant increase in penile circumference to the male homosexual video, but the control [nonhomophobic] men did not.'

Broken down further, the measurements showed that while 66% of the nonhomophobic group showed no significant tumescence while watching the male homosexual video, only 20% of the homophobic men showed little or no evidence of arousal. Similarly, while 24% of the nonhomophobic men showed definite tumescence while watching the homosexual video, 54% of the homophobic men did.

When asked to give their own subjective assessment of the degree to which they were aroused by watching each of the three videos, men in both groups gave answers that tracked fairly closely with the results of the objective physiological measurement, with one exception: the homophobic men significantly underestimated their degree of arousal by the male homosexual video.

http://www.philosophy-religion.org/handouts/homophobia.htm

You are right sodomy is illegal as per law but there are many such archaic outdated laws on the books and nobody cares about them.

Gunga Din, sodomy has been legal everywhere in the US since 2003.

A partial list of animals who display homosexual behavior:

Mammals

Selected mammals from the full list:

• African Elephant^[16]
• Brown Bear^[17]
• Brown Rat^[18]
• Buffalo^[19]
• African Lion

• Caribou^[20]
• Cat (domestic)^[21]
• Cheetah^[22]
• Common Dolphin^[23]
• Orca

• Common Marmoset^[24]
• Common Raccoon^[25]
• Dog (domestic)^[26]
• European Bison^[27]
• Human
• Prea^[28]

Birds

Selected birds from the full list:

• Chicken (Domestic)^[29]
• Common Gull^[30]

• Emu^[31]
• King Penguin^[32]

Fish

• Amazon molly^[34]
• Blackstripe topminnow^[35]
• Bluegill Sunfish^[35]
• Char^[33]
• Grayling^[33]
• European Bitterling^[36]
• Green swordtail^[36]
• Guiana leaffish^[37]
• Houting Whitefish^[33]
• Jewel Fish^[38]
• Least Darter (Microperca punctulata)^[36]
• Mouthbreeding Fish sp.^[35]
• Salmon spp.^[39]
• Southern platyfish^[36]
• Ten-spined stickleback^[36]
• Three-spined stickleback^[36]

Reptiles

• Anole sp.^[40]
• Bearded Dragon^[41]
• Broad-headed Skink^[36]
• Checkered Whiptail Lizard^[41]
• Chihuahuan Spotted Whiptail Lizard^[41]
• Common Ameiva^[41]
• Common Garter Snake^[36]
• Cuban Green Anole^[40]
• Desert Grassland Whiptail Lizard^[41]
• Desert Tortoise^[42]
• Fence Lizard^[41]
• Five-lined Skink^[36]
• Gopher (Pine) Snake^[35]
• Green Anole^[40]
• Inagua Curlytail Lizard^[41]

• Jamaican Giant Anole^[40]
• Laredo Striped Whiptail Lizard^[41]
• Largehead Anole^[40]
• Mourning Gecko^[43]
• Plateau Striped Whiptail Lizard^[41]
• Red Diamond Rattlesnake^[36]
• Red-tailed Skink^[36]
• Side-blotched Lizard^[41]
• Speckled Rattlesnake^[36]
• Water Moccasin^[36]
• Western rattlesnake (Crotalus viridis)^[36]
• Western Banded Gecko^[43]
• Whiptail Lizard spp.^[41]
• Wood Turtle^[40]

Amphibians

• Appalachian Woodland Salamander^[44]
• Black-spotted Frog^[45]
• Mountain Dusky Salamander^[44]
• Tengger Desert Toad^[40]

Insects and other invertebrates

• Acanthocephalan Worms^[46]
• Alfalfa Weevil^[47]
• Australian Parasitic Wasp sp.^[47]
• Bean weevil sp.^[47]
• Bedbug and other Bug spp.^[48][49]
• Blister Beetle spp.^[50]
• Blood-flukes (Schistosoma)^[51]
• Blowfly^[50]
• Box Crab^[52]
• Broadwinged Damselfly sp.^[53]
• Cabbage (Small) White (Butterfly)^[54]
• Checkerspot Butterfly^[54]
• Clubtail Dragonfly spp.^[55]
• Cockroach spp.^[56]
• Common Skimmer Dragonfly spp.^[55]
• Creeping Water Bug sp.^[57]
• Cutworm^[58]
• Digger Bee^[59]
• Dragonfly spp.^[55]
• Eastern Giant Ichneumon (wasp)^[47]
• Eucalyptus Longhorned Borer^[57]
• Field cricket sp.^[60]
• Flour beetle^[61]
• Fruit Fly spp.^[62]
• Glasswing Butterfly^[54]
• Grape Berry Moth^[63]
• Grape Borer^[57]
• Green Lacewing^[64]

• Harvest Spider sp.^[65]
• Hawaiian Orb-Weaver (spider)^[65]
• Hen Flea^[64]
• House Fly^[66]
• Ichneumon wasp sp.^[47]
• Incirrate Octopus spp.^[52]
• Japanese Scarab Beetle^[67]
• Jumping spider sp.^[65]
• Larch Bud Moth^[63]
• Large Milkweed Bug^[49]
• Large White (Pieris brassicae)^[49]
• Long-legged Fly spp.^[68]
• Mazarine Blue^[49]
• Mediterranean Fruit Fly^[62]
• Mexican White^[49]
• Midge sp.^[68]
• Migratory locust^[69]
• Mite sp.^[68]
• Monarch Butterfly^[54]
• Narrow-winged Damselfly spp.^[53]
• Parsnip Leaf Miner^[68]
• Pomace fly^[68]
• Queen Butterfly^[54]
• Red Ant sp.^[68]
• Red Flour Beetle^[49]
• Reindeer Warble Fly (Hypoderma tarandi)^[68]
• Rose Chafer^[68]
• Rove Beetle spp.^[49]

• Scarab Beetle (Melolonthine)^[70]
• Screwworm Fly^[68]
• Silkworm Moth^[63]
• Sociable Weaver^[68]
• Southeastern Blueberry Bee^[59]
• Southern Green Stink Bug^[49]
• Southern Masked Chafer^[68]
• Southern One-Year Canegrub^[68]
• Spreadwinged Damselfly spp.^[53]
• Spruce Budworm Moth^[63]
• Stable Fly sp.^[68]
• Stag Beetle spp.^[49]
• Tsetse Fly^[68]
• Water Boatman Bug^[49]
• Water Strider spp.^[49]

Actually, Tex, I'm from the south -- I just live in New Jersey right now.

Keep trying to open that closet door...

ROFL - Tex dude you are the funniest troll i have ever seen ...you crack me up :-)

Tex, if she is right she is right. If that means superiority, then so be it.

One's region of residence bears Zero weight on one's intellect. I live in Texas, I'm Gay, I'm Intelligent. The sentence should have been heavier, with more community service. Revenge isn't the answer, but, Education is. The young man who ended his life had his expectation of privacy violated. That should be the focus. If he were under 18, they could have gone after him under Child Pornography.

The parents need to go to Civil court now.

Show's over now.

Fred - your analogy of a public bathroom is irrelevent - The public bathroom isn't YOURS. You don't lay claim to part of it. A dorm room that is SHARED is rented by multiple parties. There aren't separate areas. If it were the apartment style dorm room where each person had their own bedroom, then yes, you could expect some privacy. But, when it is the typical double room, then no, you cannot expect privacy, ever. And a public bathroom is just that.. public.. NO expectation of privacy. You take your chances when you use one.

There is some expectation of privacy in dormitories on the part of the ones who are renting the particular rooms. Tyler certainly had an expectation of privacy in his own room, but not in the hallways, common areas, etc. Furthermore, he certainly did not consent to being videotaped, nor did he consent to the broadcast of the tape. If Dharun wanted to tape his own bed and his own things, that would have been different -- but he had no right to point his webcam at Tyler's bed to broadcast Tyler's activities.

If Obama had a son he would look just like...oops, wait a minute, that script won't work here. If only Tyler had been black, Dharun Ravi would be found guilty in the press of a hate crime and charged with 2nd degree murder for causing Tyler's death. The whole problem could have been avoided had Dharun not been in the area at the time and not had a loaded webcam which caused the death of Tyler just as surely as if Dharun had physically pushed him over the bridge. Happens all the time. Where's the DOJ when you need them.

ErinNJ - Absolutely Applause from Dallas Texas!

Guys ...won't you please read my post above so that you know what you are talking about and then post stuff ? I have explained how what should have been a fourth degree invasion of privacy offense (no recording, no private parts visible, no sexual act on display, no penetration - just kissing) ended up being a bias intimidation charge.

Please ....just @!$%#ing read it ...#1.126

ErinNJ

Gunga Din, sodomy has been legal everywhere in the US since 2003.

While this is true, I wouldn't exactly choose this fact to defend homosexuality.

So odd all those crying for this will-of-the-wisp bias crime to be viewed as monstrous also call this Ravi bad things tied up to his heritage, his culture, and his actions consistent with both. Many here feel the whole thing was naught but a gay-driven roust and obviously the judge saw it the same way.

If your roomie is uncomfortable with your trysts, have the class to rent a room for them, use the car, give the roomie the space, dignity and peace he/she paid for.

Save some money. Strip him of his visa, deport him stright to India and Never let him in the country again!

I totally agree TR... whether he gets jail time or not, he needs to be put on the little yellow bus, taken to the airport and immediately sent back to India.... and be on the list of banned passengers on US-bound flights..... Just what we need in this country, this one.... If he is not deported, shame on New Jersey, and he will turn up again in the news.... Oh, and he can take his family back to India with him... they were on TV a while ago acting like he was an innocent victim.... please

If he was born in the United States, he is an American citizen. You can't deport a citizen. Just because his parents are immigants does not make him an immigrant. Sorry, he's an American, not an Indian. Send him to jail, letting him do his time--probably 3 years is all it will amount to. He will then need to try and get on with his life. Guess what, no resident university will have anything to do with him. He'll have to get a diploma from U. of Phoenix, Devry or some other on-line program. He will probably wind up doing maintenance at his parents hotel or running the family convenience store.

He was not born in this country, he is from India.... as told in the article

If he was an American, there wouldn't be any talk of his deportation. I agree w/posters stating just deport him now and he can go back to India and live with this shame he brought upon himself.

Well, the judge has passed sentence. He got 30 days probationary jail term and the judge has recommended that he not be deported. It sounds like the judge recognized the highly political nature of the charges and the verdict but did not want to let him off completely. This is really a very light tap on the wrist, far less than I was expecting. I did not expect the judge to hand out any jail time but I did expect some community service. Ravi got very lucky as this sentence is even less than what the prosecution had offered as a plea bargain at the start of all of this. I am sure that there are many who will be outraged at this verdict, but in all, I think the judge got it right. He looked at this entirely unemotionally and recognized this for what it was, a stupid prank by a college freshman that got a little out of hand. Ravi was not responsible for Clementi committing suicide and that was the real basis of the jury's conviction. I think the judge realized that he did not do enough with his instructions to the jury to try and prevent this from happening and corrected his mistake in the sentencing. Clementi had serious emotional problems before he ever met Ravi even if Clementi's parents refuse to admit it. After all, to admit it would mean accepting at least part of the blame for Clementi's suicide on themselves. From other less biased stories I have read, Clementi's parents were not exactly accepting of their son's lifestyle before this happened and that had a lot to do with his problems and his suicide. Maybe one day the parents will be honest with themselves about their role in what happened to their son.

We really needed this little foreign jerk to come to OUR country, fill space in one of OUR schools and then mess with one of OUR citizens.

Deport him immediately.............................!!!!!!

I agree with JS, Ravi was so incredibly wrong but he did not kill Clementi. He bullied him, he intimidated him and embarassed him. He is paying the price for those crimes, more than the 30 day sentence as he will never live a normal existence. I cannot imagine the grief of the Clementi family as no one deserves the outcome they had to endure. But the crime did not cause the suicide, the struggle that Clementi was facing prior to ever meeting Ravi is what caused his end. This entire situation does provides a lesson to those that are paying attention, unfortunately, kids live in the moment and are egocentric. Most will not believe that they are causing such harm and can be punished for similar acts. Very sad.

...........He bullied him, he intimidated him and embarassed him

"He" is a worthless foreigner that never fininshed his citizenship papers to become a legal citizen but had time to create sorrow for an American.

Deport this piece of garbage - stop defending an invader over a fellow countryman.

I hope this arrogant insensitive spoiled brat gets to spend his 300 hours of community service feeding, bathing, and caring for seniors in nursing homes, or cleaning road kill off county highways, or some similar humbling work. I'm guessing this guy hasn't ever gotten his hands dirty doing honest work.

I hope this arrogant insensitive spoiled brat gets to spend his 300 hours of community service feeding, bathing, and caring for seniors in nursing homes,gay seniors

Gay seniors

Come on now - he's a kid who pulled a prank that backfired badly. I doubt there's a single poster here who doesn't have at least one family member or close friend (or they themselves) who would've gladly considered pulling off something like this when they were 18.

Kid wasn't evil - he was just 18 and prone to the stupidity of all 18 year olds. Just his bad luck that his prank, instead of ending in nyuk, nyuk, nyuk laughs and giggles ala Animal House or American Pie would've led him to believe it would, the result was tragedy instead.

Well if you are here on a visa and stupid enough to get in this kind of trouble, thinking your rich parents are going to get you out of, You defiantly don't belong to take up space that another individual came have

I do not approve of Homosexuality, but this is going too far, and yes Khalid, I have had relatives who have done far less then what Dharun did and yet they spent more time as a guest of the State as a punishment fot their actions (and deservedly so) - so it is extremely hard for me to have sympathy for any of the Ravi family. I would wish they would kindly do the right thing board the next available 747 or 777 back to Bharat, and never come back.... No other Bharatis mind you, just them and their Perp son.

@Khalid, you don't know that all adults who were "once his age" would do something like that or not. Most SANE people wouldn't do such a thing, because, putting all the technecalities aside, you DO NOT VIDEOTAPE ANOTHER PERSON HAVING SEX WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE.

I cannot believe that there are actually people out there who lack this sort of common sense, and show NO empathy whatsoever to the person they're hurting.

Khalid: Odd, but when I checked the thesaurus, "stupid" "prank" "bad luck" was not synonymous with "illegal". Why do you suppose that is?

Crystal--George Bush was not given 30 days for hacking our phones, just a pat on the good-ol-boy's back from FOX. Why do you suppose that is?

Crystal - if you want to talk about legalese please read my comment above.

I HAVE to agree with you.A sad outcome? Indeed.Isn't it always tragic when a person dies young? I'm in my 50's.Like to believe my family would be bummed but ,hey,**it happens. It is tragic that his shame was such that he self murdered. I guess being"proud" would be better tho than this

bull@!$%#...........Imagine if you are not gay and somebody drugged you and you woke to find that another man had had sex with you the other night and it was on tape circulating all over campus. Everytime you walked into a Walmart, a McDonalds, or even Church you had to deal with the looks and the comments. People are cruel to even kids, they dont give a @!$%#.

obviously this guy was not drugged but for imagination purposes, so that you can put yourself in his shoes. Who said he wanted to come out. That is just @!$%#ing sad, that YOU ALL can't see that this EVENT had a PROFOUND affect on this young mans OUTCOME.

Punish this little punk for trotting on the frail. This is what happens when an arrogant kid who knows he can just go back to his native country. He needs to do some serious time. Imagine if somebody did that to YOU or somebody your love. It would be clear to you. I get fired up about it, because he chose this young man because he not only lived with him, but because he knows how people feel about gay people. Look at us we dont give a @!$%# and we are willing to give him community service and probation for filiming this guy having sex with his lover and sending copies all over campus. Thats heinous. You dont punish with the proper brevity and next time this may be someone filming you and your wife or girlfirend and only getting community service. The judge needs to send a stern message.

Here is a thought, don't make out with another dude in a room where you have a roommate if you don't want to be found out. It's school, not hook up land. You are in a dorm. There are people in there. Can't be surprised when people see what you are doing. Shame on that kid for filming him but come on now. Jail time? Please. He hurt someones feelings. You can't put somebody in jail everytime somebody sucks. If that were the case then we all would be convicts.

I have to agree. The guy is a jerk and what he did was cruel, but that doesn't mean he deserves to go to jail. Mean people suck---but they exist and we have learn to deal with them.

You can't out someone who isn't in the closet. Tyler was already "out" on his own. Secondly, the video was not circulated, testimony and evidence presented inthe trial showed that the common misperception that was circulated by the media that this guy posted it online was false. The only people who saw it were the ones in the room with him and his friend that night, maybe 8 people total.

Mean - yes. Worthy of jail time? No.

Xina the Awesome

I don't care if it was 1 or 8 people total. He is a sex offender and should be registered as one. This applies to anyone regardless of their sexual orientation.

dissapointed and ashamed

Here is a thought, don't make out with another dude in a room where you have a roommate if you don't want to be found out. It's school, not hook up land. You are in a dorm. There are people in there. Can't be surprised when people see what you are doing. Shame on that kid for filming him but come on now. Jail time? Please. He hurt someones feelings. You can't put somebody in jail everytime somebody sucks. If that were the case then we all would be convicts.

Normally, I agree w/you. However, when I was in college, there wasn't cell phones lingering around with cameras or webcams. Everyone is entitled to their privacy and shouldn't have to worry about someone video taping them without their consent.

Would that all those calling for crucifixion, would say the same about those 'American priests, who have sodomized American children for generations. And, homosexuality is not Gay, it is homosexuality, it is unfortunate' also unnatural, and young men should know about those with whom they are sharing rooms.

The college is responsible for the death of this young person, they are required to adhere to health and safety Regs, they did not.

They placed both young men in jeopardy. Would any of us be sanguine, if our children were sharing rooms with somebody whose sexual desires are different to theirs. Is this not akin to a male and female being required to share such close intimacy...how comfortable about that would you be, if it were your young Daughter.

Wow you are crazy.

1 year, 500 hours probationt? Now you are being extreme in the other direction. the judge did the right thing. Keep in mind, they tampered with evidence.

It's about time - How is it a sex offense? They didn't watch them have sex. Again testimony during the trial revealed that what was seen on the video was about 8 seconds worth of kissing. Once with clothes on, the second time with shirts off. There was no intercourse seen, no nudity. Just two dudes kissing. If it was a guy and a girl this would have never even gone to the courts, it wouldhave been handled internally by the university.

@ Seven2seven. He won't go to prison. For 30 days he'll spend it in the County Jail. The food will suck, there will be lights on 24/7 and there will always be a guard around. The only way he'll get into trouble in there is if he mouths off. Which is entirely likely.

He shouldn't have even gotten a 30 day sentence. He was not the reason for Tyler committing suicide and that's ultimately what the jury convicted him for. I'm suprised that, given the fact Indians run Middlesex county, that this happened. Dharun was an easy target to make an example of and that's what the judge's ultimate goal was. Dharun will do his time in jail, come out, finish college, do some interviews/write a book and make more $$$$$ than any of you losers could ever dream of! Seriously, there are way more dangerous people in this world than this 20 year old kid.

I figure that when his parents left India, it was still o.k. there to bully homosexuals. So they raised their son in that spirit and that is why he does not feel guilty at all. However, it is no longer tolerated in India of today and these parents need to integrate into our society so that they at least understand our value system. As for the guy - he grew up here and is intelligent enough to go to Ruttgers - so he has no excuse. His action would be frowned upon in India as well. It just was a dastartly thing to do, immature, insensitive and ignorant. What did he think the reaction of those who saw the images and the one in the images would be ? Ridiculing and bullying the poor victim ? Who does he think he is to pass judgement on another person ? He is here illegally, don't know how he got into Ruttgers !!, so he is a criminal and not having been detected, he feels he is a big macho man.

Conceited and pathetic and he should learn that there are consequences to such acts.

Where did you get that he was here illegally?

No, Ravi's not here illegally. Where did you get that idea? He got into Rutgers the same way every student gets into Rutgers, he applied and was accepted.

What he did was wrong and he will be punished. Is it enough? I'm not certain that it is. He illegally recorded his roommate, invaded his privacy and shared the tape with others. Afterward he tampered with the evidence. That's bad.

Thanks, Tracey.

Is he really worth spending up to $500,000 (Of taxpayer's money) to feed, clothe, and house in Jail? I say deport him.

Watching the live feed now. How odd that he isn't smirking now.. Guess he had a wake-up call.

Amen, Tracey!. Until people start taking responsibility for their actions, this type of behaviors will continue. He should made an example of and then the next time it happens, do it again until these idiots get the message.

Is he really worth spending up to $500,000 (Of taxpayer's money) to feed, clothe, and house in Jail?

Is there a dead person involved? Then yes, it IS worth it. Don't be a massive PoS to your roommate, lesson learned, now go be an example for others....IN JAIL.

THEN deport him!

TFNJ---the phrase, "we the jury find the defendent guilty" does seem to get someone's attention like few other things can....I think young Ravi is going to see a side of U.S. society that he is ill-prepared to handle.....personally I think he's an overgrown brat. Someone smart enough to get into Rutgers should be able to guess how a tape like that could affect someone's life, & not in a good way. Yes, jail him, fine him, force him into some sort of community service; I would like to see something fairly high-profile, so he stays in public attention & people can easily remember him & what he did, the implication to anyone else considering a similar "prank" being that long-term humiliation/harassment could be part of their punishment if caught. A fine...sure, pay the $ & be done w/ it.....on the other hand, long-time recognition along the lines of, "....ewwww, aren't you the slimy freak that secretly filmed other people having sex?!?" could be a lot more painful to live w/.

After all was said & done, deport him then & don't let him back in. This is a great country, & I think it's a privilege to be here. There's a lot worse places to be.

T.R. Hendricks...Where do you get the $500,000 for 30 days in jail? It will cost about $50 bucks to house his sorry butt for that long...less good time. He made a poor judgment and acted on it. That is baggage that people have to carry. He is no golden child. He just got brought down to the level of us mere mortals. Stay away from unkind and stupid behavior if you want to be successful and make all your parents dreams come true. The Ravi family doesn't give a crap about the victim. They give a big crap about their son's (not so certain) future...Empathy isn't one of the main values in that family.

How does 30 days add up to 500 grand? Maybe 10 years, but not 30 days.

Is that Ricardoh because you have dough where your grey matter should be?

No RicarDOH , he hasnt served anytime or had a penalty assigned for the civil rights violations, thats why he is going to his SENTENCING this week...

He wasn't convicted for Tyler's suicide, ONLY for the civil/privacy rights violations he committed and was CONVICTED for.

Take your homophobia and hate over to FOX where it will be appreciated in all its neanderthal glory . It and you are NOT welcome here.

ricardoh - If this happened to a heterosexual person and they committed suicide, the outcome would be just as severe. If you have no compassion for gay people, who already suffer society's disdain, as evidenced by your vicious "homo sympathizers" comment, then you have a serious problem. You are a homophobe and, consequently, an un-compassionate human being. You are not better that people who are homosexual. You are a huge part of the problem.

I hope you grow up and educate yourself about becoming a true human being, and a true American who wants rights and dignity for all American citizens. You have a long way to go - I wish you good luck.

" . . . choose a homosexual lifestyle"?? Ricardoh, you sir, obviously don't know what you're talking about in this area. So, I find the rest of your comment suspect too.

I wish everyone would stop saying they are not "in favor" of homosexuality or "don't believe in it" - it is not a "lifestyle" (RVing is a lifestyle), or a choice. I'm Gay and I don't walk around saying I don't "believe in" heterosexuality. Besides who would be stupid enough to "choose" to be bullied, reviled and judged?

It is a sexual orientation and in our lifetimes it will be shown to be biologically-based. At that time politicians, right-wing nuts and many of the public will look back with shame at how they treated their brothers and sisters.

This is the last Civil Rights battle left in America.

GAY IS A CIVIL RIGHT! i agree completely!!!!!!!!!!!

what do you tell me about all the gays who kiss in public, and they do it so that everybody sees them.

jomava...what do you tell me about all the straights that kiss in public, and do it so that everybody sees them? So? So what? Turn your head and move on. Get over yourself.

Pedophilia isn't a lifestyle choice either, that's just as wired into a person's brain as homosexuality is. That doesn't mean I have to approve of it.

Ryan, pedophilia involves attraction to those who cannot legally consent to such relationships, while homosexuality involves attraction to other consenting adults.

That you cannot differentiate between them says so much about you.

tex pedophilia is all about power, not sex. beyond that you are hater, go to fox where that is welcome. the adults here are tired of it.

Tex, pedophiles are attracted to the age, not the gender. Have you ever done ANY research?

Ohh oh can I answer?

Michelle - he did not commit murder. Can he help it if his roommate was too weak to deal with his sexuality? No. His roommate CHOSE to commit suicide. It is all on him. It was his choice to take the coward's way out.

tydub123 - What does anyone being white or not have to do with it? Race isn't the issue here, it's despicable and cruel behavior that directly led to someone's death. I hope you were joking, but it wasn't funny.

Stop making this sad affair into something it's not. It is not about race. The whole situation stems from treating someone badly for their own gratification. It's called bullying. In this case it was termed invasion of privacy, which by definition, is a form of bullying. Ravi tried to lie his way out of it and tried to get his friends to lie for him. Unfortunately, his victim could not handle the way he was bullied and ended his life. Nothing to do with race. Putting gas on a fire is not a reasonable way of handling it.

Quite insightful!

Too bad there wasn't a video of that hair cutting, because not one person remembers it, not even the victim's parents, and the one person who remembers it admits he didn't really see it, just heard rumors 50 years ago. But don't let that stop you from ruining a person's reputation. Looks like there's plenty of Ravis out there.

o'really, you dont know what the hell youre talking about

O'really is telling lies. 5 men say that they saw it. The victim didn't tell his family what happened, because he probably thought that they too would turn on him because he was gay. Everyone who was there remembers the incident clearly except for the perp and liar Romney.

Yeah, Chris, you got it all figured out. The victim's parents didn't notice his shaved head. 5 men said they saw it 50 years later, not when Romney was running for any other office but president and after the victim is dead. But if that's all it takes for you to believe a story, hey, I'm having Justin Bieber's baby.

Too bad there wasn't a video of that hair cutting, because not one person remembers it

Except for the 5 guys who swore it happened and participated?

Where do you get this malarkey?

the original story stated that a fellow student of Romney's, Stu White, had been "long bothered by the incident." But then White was interviewed by ABC News where he said that he had not even been aware of the incident until this year when he had been contacted by the Washington Post. The Post quietly corrected its story without commenting on the original error.

ABC News notes that Christine Lauber, the sister of John Lauber, who is now deceased, stated that she had no knowledge of the incident. She suggested that the story in the Post had a number of errors concerning her brother. She denounced the story for using her brother to advance a political agenda, that is to say a takedown of Mitt Romney.

It wasn't even a violation of privacy. When sharing a dorm room, you can't truly expect privacy. It's what I taught my kids before they went off to college.

sarannea - This ISN'T about gay rights. Did you read the article? It is about a man ridiculed by his privacy being impinged and viewed by other people! The fact that he was gay was an "added feature" of the problem.

wryview - I am sure you would be fine if your kids were filmed having sex and had it broadcast to others and your child subsequently committed suicide.

I don't care if this is "college". At some point these "kids" need to grow up and learn to respect one another. At what point do you think that lesson should be learned? 20 years old? 30 years old? 40 years old?

Well - my kids shouldn't be having sex in a shared dorm room. If they were recorded, then that's their fault for not being more careful. If they committed suicide over being taped, then I didn't raise them correctly. It has already been proven that the video did NOT cause the suicide. Only the person committing suicide can make that CHOICE.

As for respect, I know plenty of older people who have no respect for other people. You cannot legislate that.

wryview-

so you wouldn't have a problem with your kid changing clothes in their room and having it taped and put on the internet? they shouldn't expect to be able to live a normal life just because they have a roommate?

wryview-

Yes, people can expect privacy from a roommate when asked for that privacy and it being granted. Ravi did this act out of malice and forethought. That's why he trained the camera only on his victim's bed, not on his own things as he claimed was his reasoning for having the camera on. He tried to have his friends lie for him as those people who viewed the film said in court. No, he did not cause the suicide, he contributed. He had no way of knowing that someone would die when he started this whole thing, but it does not excuse him from having his meanness being an element of the conclusion. Steven deserved better, as I hope your children deserve better.

G Garrett - and when you are in college, can you really believe your roommate? If you assume you have no privacy in a dorm room & act accordingly, then you shouldn't have a problem. If Tyler didn't want anyone to know he was gay, why would he bring his 'lover' back to a college dorm room where HUNDREDS of people could see them in the building?

I believe he should have at least been punished for invading his privacy of Steven. For that along Ravi should received a minimum of four years. I have no sympathy for him or for his family. Obuvoiusly they did not teach him well enough not to be a bullie. We dont need people like this in this country. He should be sent back to his country. I can't believe that any judge would make that kind of decision what kind of example he is showing to others.

1. it is not illegal to be gay in the state of new jersey

2. it IS illegal for an unauthorized person to secretly video tape someone in the state of new jersey, performing acts that holds an expectation of privacy without their knowledge and consent. the expectation of privacy is not perceived expectation. the law clearly states the confines of that as stated in NJ law 2C:14-9 under circumstances in which a reasonable person would know that another may expose intimate parts or may engage in sexual penetration or sexual contact, he observes another person without that person's consent and under circumstances in which a reasonable person would not expect to be observed

His roommate's sexual preference is not the issue. No one has been charged with any murder or homicide of any degree. The privacy law that protects his roommate is the exact same law that would protect you from some creep putting a secret camera in your room. There's no difference. Shared living space is not a factor, the law still applies.

And I've been to college...all four years I had roommates in the dorms...there was NO WAY i had any acceptance in my head that my personal business was not my personal business and open to public viewing. and i can guarantee if I knew anything about any secret recordings. I would've blown the whistle on the whole pervy crew.

Oh Roger, that comment is so-o-o-o-o misplaced!

College prank, pure and simple!

Says the guy who obviously doesn't care about the DEAD KID.

Go vote for Romney and pretend you have morals.

...and if the suicide was your own humiliated son or daughter spied engaging in college sex, straight OR gay sex, and having it streamed live? Just another college prank, SKIPPER? You likely would be reaching for your gun about now.

Your opinion seems to be 'just another FOX NEWS Fair and Balanced' advancement item.

So, in your opinion, Skipper, the laws of New Jersey Ravi broke don't matter? Amazing.

If the roommate jumped to his death after having it filmed and broadcast on the internet, THERE SHOULD BE!

Get a life? Tell that to the dead kid.

Skipper and Pigskin -

If this happened to a heterosexual person and they committed suicide, the outcome would be just as severe. If you have no compassion for gay people, who already suffer society's disdain, as evidenced by your comments, then you have a serious problem. You are homophobes and, consequently, are un-compassionate human beings. You are not better that people who are homosexual. You are a huge part of the problem.

I hope you grow up and educate yourself about becoming true human beings, and a true American who wants rights and dignity for all American citizens. You have a long way to go - I wish you both good luck with that!

No then he would have been convicted of sexually based offenses and on the sexual predator list for NJ.Either way he is and would be facing prison time for what he did.

Either way he should plan on NOT making his home in the US after his prison time is over. Felons do not get green cards or long term visas

This is not about the gay community. This is about trampling on people who have no voice. This kid was there to get an education no to be exploited. Its just not fair, while this cruel @!$%#, who lived with him as as a room mate. Tell me they both had a choice in that matter at this university.

Fry his little smug ass. He is a little punk that can dish it out but cannot take it. Can you POSSIBLE imagine somebody doing this to you. YOU might think of killing yourself to.

He's a smug SOB, who thinks he's above the law and all of us. No remorse or anything showing he's human

with any compassion at all. Of course, this should go on his record. Would any employers want to hire a non caring, untrustworthy, no integrity, hateful, the list goes on and on? Would any co-workers trust this guy? I think not. Make him serve his time in the USA, then send him home!!!

he killed himself what about that do you idiots not understand being a ahole is not against the law same stuff happens to people every second of the days in our lives it could not have been just this guys fault the family had to be a big part and who knows maybe it was something no one can or will every be able to figure out why because he gave up HE KILLED HIMSELF!!!!!!

very right comment, they dont like the outcome of this but they love kissing in public. they are hypocrits

I dont care for two men kissing in public no...but this wasn't in public this was in private. You are the hypocrits. This kid was minding his own business. Whats wrong is wrong....and all of these kids in the dorm knew about it and hated on this kid.......that @!$%# aint right.....i dont care how you slice it......take a stand for the human being...dont go along because the group is all for it.......I have seen where everybody....goes to jail for follows ONE BIG stupid ass. Think for yourselves......Ask yourself...Is this right....is this person human....did he or she do anything to me personnally...and go from there......? Don't go along because your buddy is hyped over it.....are you an individual or a follower?

Pigskin -

You have an appropriate screen name, to be sure.

I would have written 'appropos' instead of 'appropriate,' but you would have been stumped by the proper use of the language.

"Fry his little smug ass. He is a little punk that can dish it out but cannot take it. Can you POSSIBLE imagine somebody doing this to you. YOU might think of killing yourself to."

Yes I can...because it has happened to me...many times over...not once did I think about killing myself. Only way to handle bullying is to stand up to it...

"If the roommate had been with a women and this guy filmed it, would there be all this hoopla? NO.Get a life people."

The suicide brought this to our attention. Ravi still violated college regulations and federal laws. He still tampered with witnesses and evidence. He still lied to police.

Yes! It's illegal to film people without their knowledge and consent. It's despicable to share the results of that secret recording with others. When there's an investigation, tampering with the evidence will get you time in the slammer.

Tell that to Google, no matter that they edit or what they print, the originals are still in their possession; and good for secret surveillance. Is there actually even 1 corporation or agency in America, which does not violate our privacy, every minute of every day.

I dont understand this they dont like being videotaped but they love to do it in public. what a Hipocresy

"They"... They're all the same, you know. Your stupidity is oozing out.

I wish they'd given him at least a year and deported him. Actually, you could go with him and you wouldn't be missed.

4 johah - That IS what he is on trial for! He is not on trial for murder - duh! Please read before you post.

If you only knew how difficult it is to come out to your family if they're ultra-conservative, you wouldn't have made that comment. We face being ostracized by the only support system we know. We risk being thrown to the wolves by the parents who are supposed to love us no matter what, during a time when we're most vulnerable. A time when everywhere around us, people are getting away with gay bashings, assaults and murders. When we hear people all around us, like yourself, telling us everyday that we're not wanted or appreciated, using some of the most hateful speech imaginable. We are in fear for our safety and well being from an early age; and in some cases, need to be nurtured in order to get to a more stable place in our minds and hearts because of the trauma & mental anguish involved with coming out. We often aren't sure where our parents loyalties lie, because we get mixed signals from them; and therefore, are sometimes afraid for them to find out about indiscretions (or experimentations) until we're sure if they'll be supportive, or turn they're backs on us, as you are doing. All these things are on the mind of someone who is questioning their sexuality; and they're in a fragile mental place, that someone with low morals can manipulate or take advantage of. I hope that one day you will have a bit more compassion and understanding, and try to get to know a person who identifies as LGBT. Perhaps it'll make you a better person (and christian) in the long run.

But for Ravi's actions, Tyler would be alive today. I hope he gets decades in prison.

right , and why all the gays kiss in public dont do the same, and jump of a bridge?

jomava, you sound like a conflicted person -- a closet case, perhaps. Maybe you should throw YOURSELF off a bridge.

You can only kick him out of the country. The family's only crime is that they worked really hard to give him everything, and what that did to him was spoil him so badly that he came to think he was better than other people. The family should stay and he should be deported. If they want to visit their pig of a son, they should have to travel to whatever country wants to take him. While he may be educated, there is more to a valuable person that what a prestigious university can teach. The family made the mistake of not teaching decency.

Since when is violating a person's most intimate moments considered a mere prank? Send this goon back to India; there are enough spoiled, self-righteous bullies in our country already. And jomava, that's what a free country is all about; if you don't like it, GO TO INDIA WITH THE GOON.

There is a show called "Cheaters" where they are invading privacy. If someone commits suicide because they were filmed, are you saying the crew from "Cheaters" should be sent to prison? Or is it only if the people they filmed are gay? It appears there is no hate crime to protect a white straight male in this country.

When I went to College after attending Junior College and living in a dorm for the first time my Freshman room mate wanted to establish 'rules' for when he or I bring girls over. The classic hang the tie on the doorknob type stuff.

I told him there are no rules. It's my room as well as your own and I'll come and go as I please. If you want to subject a girl to possible humiliation with me walking in feel free. It won't bother me a bit, and I will tell everyone on the floor about it.

Should I be convicted of a hate crime? Because I wanted access to my own room and discussed truthfully the comings and goings of my room mate? The answer is no.

The only difference here is that Dharun didn't state that up front and he was potentially watching ALL the time. That's a slight difference, but a reality in the tech driven 21st century. That still doesn't rank up to the criminal realm, which is why the judge said it's a 'bias' crime. He knew this was crap, but there was a law he had to enforce. Which bias should not be a crime. But that's New Jersey, liberal utopian wasteland.

i agree kick there ass out of here ok i dont feel that he nor his family felt any pain for the young man that took his life ok this was a young kid ok all you heard was this jerk lost weight and it was all about him but you are still among the living go back you your country ok cause i dont believe you learned anything you never even said sorry to the parents family friends of the young man that is no longer he ..

OK.... So he was convicted of a bias crime. Not Hate Crime. Difference is that he didn't physically assualt Tyler. The jury of peers convicted him on 24 counts. Look them up. More than just bias crimes...also trying to cover up the crimes and witness tampering. He knew he was wrong...did it anyway. What is justice? If it doesn't mean being responsible for your own actions. Tyler felt his world crashing in on many fronts. Family...mother had deep problems with him being gay...church...who knows...school...friends...and a roommate who was convicted of intimidating him. hummmm.... Ravi wasn't charged in his death.... But the kid felt his world crashing in on him...and guess what. Ravi played a part...was and is a part of the result. However...he can't be tried on his death. Only on his actions. That is what the jury found. Period. What is justice? For my part I feel a deep loss of faith in our Legal system...

cnhit-

I told him there are no rules. It's my room as well as your own and I'll come and go as I please. If you want to subject a girl to possible humiliation with me walking in feel free. It won't bother me a bit, and I will tell everyone on the floor about it.

Should I be convicted of a hate crime? Because I wanted access to my own room and discussed truthfully the comings and goings of my room mate? The answer is no

walking into your dorm room and catching your roommate engaging in sexual activity is something is not even in the same realm as planning and executing to intentionally video tape your roommate engaging in sexual activity. Stuff happens when you are in a shared living situation and that does happen. And no...nothing is illegal about that. But you certainly don't have to be nasty about it...but you can...which isn't illegal either

Can you be charged with a hate crime for video taping someone? Probably not...but you most certainly are in violation of the law of that state which clearly states that you can't video tape someone engaged in sexual activity without their knowledge or consent unless you are working in an authorized capacity. And the mere fact that you share the room...doesn't authorize anyone legally.

It's actually a pretty simple case 1. He illegally video taped his roomate engaging in sexual activity. A violation of the law of that state (he's very lucky that his roomate wasn't 17...or else his little film would've automatically be considered child pornography) 2. he attempted to distribute said illegal video by inviting others to a "viewing party"...it may not have happened because he got busted but his electronic invitee was put out there...another lesson to learn about what you should put out there in the vast digital world of forever. 3. he performed witness tampering by trying to convincee others to lie during an investigation.

These laws that protect the Tyler kid protect us all. I went to college. lived in the dorms all 4 years. Nothing was unclear to me what flew and what didn't. College dorm or not...there is an expectation that you can come and go without being in fear of being videotaped and youtubed while taking care of personal business. If college kids are not very clear about what is or is not private these days...then how about they just take the side of caution and just go to the library instead. i'm sure they have plenty to do.

OMG!! This case makes me so angry!! 30 days in jail? Thats it?!! And the mother : " My son has been through enough" NO HE HAS NOT!!! He has not had any remorse from day one! Please please tell me he was kicked out of Rutgers!! I think he should have been charged with a hate crime! i hope for all of the days of his life he is Ostracized from society and leaves the US. Ohh I am so mad I want to smack his smug ugly face!!!! RIP TYLER CLEMENTE!!

Ravi seems to have gotten just about what he deserved, thirty days is about right. Being an @sshole is not a crime, the kid killed himself. There could be a thousand other reasons why he did that, and Ravi was just the latest one that might have offended him. Serve your thirty days, and get on with your life. I don't understand Indian culture, hell I always wondered if that red dot on the forehead was a target.

Dasvet, being a bullying as a hoe should be a crime. That's exactly what he is and he got a slap on the wrist. I doubt that will stop others from doing the same thing. I'm not even talking about the other guy killing himself. In fact if this arrogant pos videotaped you under similar circumstances, I think you would have done something about it yourself. Your "no big deal" attitude is pathetic. His total attitude is arrogance and has never shown remorse.