Which god are you asking for assistance? The old mean one or the newer nice one? See some people still go through the son to get to the father, but have yet to let go of the old mean god. Maybe someday his child will change him into a newer nicer person like Jesus did to his dad.

WHy are we waging war against the Taliban? They also follow Old Testament laws like blowing up the Buddhist idols.

Mr. Gipson should be our Ambassador to Afghanistan.

I am not in favor of his views but to be honest reading the quote any one with even a small amount of intelligence can work out he thinks being gay is a sin (I don't by the way) and he in no way said or implied that gay people should be killed. People need to step back and think.

It would appear activists have tried to paint this on this man and how hypocritical for people to 'think" he supported the killing of gays by then threatening to kill him.

Krestow, violence against gay people inspired by the bible happens every day in this country, and it's people like that loser who create the environment that encourages it.

No question that he thinks it's a sin. However, sin is only a crime in theocratic dictatorship. It's perfectly fine in America, which means there is no basis for this bigot's hatred.

But he did reference a passage from Leviticus that calls for death and stated that the only opinion that counts is the opinion of that exact passage. Now I truly believe that this guy is like most christians and doesn't actually think about what the bible really says, but his ignorance doesn't give him a pass. Then of course there is the glaring hypocrisy that comes from using Leviticus to attack gays, but then ignoring every other thing that Leviticus says. Apparently some christians still don't see what is impossibly hypocritical about cherry picking bible passages from the supposedly immutable word of god and doing so only to support their own black heart. A true christian understands that Jesus (you know, the guy that christians are first and foremost supposed to listen to) preached against the old testament books such as Leviticus and spoke about loving all people for who and what they are. A true christian does not revert to the old testament brutality, but focuses on love. Andy Gipson is therefore a hypocrite, a fool, a bigot, and a very poor excuse for a christian.

They like to put their "preachers" in government in Iran, too!

Funny how all fundamentalists who take life and their religions literally all act alike - no matter what religion they say that they "believe in."

Now I truly believe that this guy is like most christians and doesn't actually think about what the bible really says...

radagast - you said it all in a nutshell! The "Christians" whom I know no more follow the teachings of the Bible than a stone does. They go to church on Sundays for one reason, which is to be seen. A true believer, whether that person is Christian, Buddhist, etc., finds contentment within his beliefs and doesn't feel the need to announce his religion to everyone within shouting distance.

Isn't there something in the Bible about "live and let live" or "judge not lest thee be judged"? If so, why is this moron questioning the right of anyone to be gay?

Aside from putting to death every sexual sin, wearing mixed fabric clothing, and eating shellfish, the NT did not completely reject the OT.

Jesus talked about marriage between a man and a woman. Paul discussed sexual sin, including homosexuality as being displeasing to God and resulting in STDs.

If you think the Bible condones sexual sin, which destroys families, bodies, then you are backslid-den yourself.

I wish you didn't have to hear it from God himself on judgement day to believe this.

First of all, the Old Testament was largely written by bronze age shepherds and their shamans and borrows heavily from other religions that went before them. It was designed to lay down a series of laws and rules by which the 'people' could conduct themselves. Among it's more charming inclusions is the endorsement of slavery, women as chattels to be 'owned' by their husbands and similar endorsements that are currently illegal. Things have changed a little bit over the last three thousand years.

Secondly, the books of the Old Testament, like those of the New Testament, have been translated, transcribed, edited, updated, modernized, and politicized to the point that they bear little resemblance to those ancient scrolls that are purported to contain the 'word of God.' How can you invoke "God" when the translation your using is so far removed from the original text?

Finally, the good reverend appears to contradict himself when he says he believes we are all made in God's image. Really? Seriously? Then that would include gays and lesbians don't you think? Since they too are made in 'God's image'. The proscriptions in the Old Testament were designed to prevent disease (don't eat pigs) and to encourage procreation (tough to do with male to male or female to female relationships) and they foster the idea that homosexuality is a perverse choice. Nowadays we know that it is genetic, another good argument for "God made them that way, in his own image."

Folks, we allegedly have freedom of religion in this country. If you want to worship the image of a 2,000 year old man nailed to a cross, you are free to do so. If you wish to worship a golden calf or Whoopi Goldberg, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, by all means have at it. But this freedom does NOT allow you to inflict your belief's on the rest of us.

When you count all the recognized religions practiced in this country and the countless variations on those themes there are literally HUNDREDS of belief systems out there and no one, not the Baptists, the Catholics, the Hindus, the Muslims of the followers of the Flying Spaghetti Monster have the right to impose their belief's on the rest of us.

Reverend/Representative Gipson is a homophobe and a fool. But then, he's also a Republican, so what did you expect?

Yet another Moron in a position of power.

jp in wa

I understand what you mean but we should never stoop to their level and put false intent or meaning into someone's words. His quote was meant to point out the sin and not the resolution people should act upon against those who they "deem" sinful.

I'm all for pointing out his error of thought I just refuse to jump to the conclusion he called for the death of gays that is an inaccuracy and a lie some are trying to perpetrate.

skipNicholson--As usual, a great post. I can always count on you for an intelligent and well reasoned comment. Thank you.

jp @ 1.5, I seriously doubt that those people who would commit violent acts toward the
homosexual community would do so due to an inspiration from the Bible.

There are people who believe that homosexuality is reprehensible and abhorrent and
that those who practice it are less than human.

I doubt that such people have even read the Bible.

Who would Jesus hate? No one. He preached love and acceptance for all. In fact, he was very likely gay himself. He and his 12 best friends ran around preaching about free love, and not a one of 'em wanted to sleep with the town prostitute. Hello!! What does that tell ya?

This is the dark little secret that Christians everywhere are so desperate to not have to confront. That if you consider their precious lord and savior, supposedly the very of "Son of God", objectively and with an open mind, you quickly come to the conclusion that he was homosexual himself, and this they absolutely cannot abide. Hence the virulent condemnation of anything even hinting at tolerance of even the idea of being gay.

Get over it folks. Jesus was probably gay. As he himself said, while never even once mentioning homosexuality, "Seek ye the truth and the truth shall set you free."

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Well at least he did not "GOD DAMN AMERICA"! Like Obama's religous mentor Reverend Wright did!

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Actually he did no such thing -- except as taken out of context by racists. And if he had, he would have been condemning an abstract concept -- which is protected speech under the First Amendment.

By contrast, this religiobigot, hiding behind pre-Christian religionutism written by illiterate bigots, is gawd-damning of concrete human beings.

But let's cut to the chase: being a typical FOX addict, unable to reason beyond "'Tis! 'Tisn't!" second grade, you flip from, "Because X does wrong, it's okay for Y to do wrong," to, "Becaise it is wrong for X to do a thing, it is wrong for Y to do it."

In short: this article isn't about Rev. Wright, though the racist bigots defending the Baptist religiobigot who is the subject of this article, will endeavor to change the subject to him.

Not-so-by-the-way: the first constitutions of Georgia and North Carolina, adopted during 1776-1777, prohibited clergy from holding public office. And protected their freedom to preach -- so long as their preachings were not seditious threat to gov't. And those constitutions were written by the Founders. Urging others to do violencce against gays is at least as despicable, especially as the Christian Commandment is, "Thou shalt not kill," and the Christian dictum is, "Judge not lest ye be judged."

Me thinks he doth protest too much.

Yes, now that Presdent Obama has mandated that alll marrried heterosexual males must now also take a gay partner there is a lot of outcry. Unfortunately, this fine upstanding WHite SOutherner rescinding his post will probabaly cost him reelecion. THe country neeeds more ignorant homophobes or President Obama willl step up the date for his gay marrriage mandate - probably to the day after he confiscates everyone's guns.

Dragonus - you are the poster boy for ignorant hate.

dragonus]

You invalidated your argument by doing exactly the thing you were arguing about. Ignorant hate is something you spoke about and unfortunately it comes from both sides. However there are those on both sides who can agree to disagree.

Not everyone is putting religion down who disagree with Christians so I'll be thankful if you would not put everyone into a box of your own making.

I don't agree with what some Christan's think and with what you think but I'll defend their and your right to say it as I defend the right of others to be treated equally in the eyes of the law.

James Lee-367659

jp @ 1.5, I seriously doubt that those people who would commit violent acts toward the
homosexual community would do so due to an inspiration from the Bible.

There are people who believe that homosexuality is reprehensible and abhorrent and
that those who practice it are less than human.

I doubt that such people have even read the Bible.

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The origin of the hate -- and the excuse for the hate -- is "Leviticus" -- which is part of the "Bible" -- exactly to which this religiobigot cites. And of course he is encouraging murder, by pointing directly to the so-called "Word of G*d" which "requires" the death penalty for homosexuals.

This article is about a bigot who is hiding behind "religion". Worse, behind "religion that is PRE-Christian, NOT Christian.

There are good Protestants, good Catholics, good Muslims, good Jews, good agnostics and good atheists. There are those who treat people with dignity and live moral lives. Then there are those who use religion as a weapon, or a tool, to control or hurt others. Ayatollah Khomeini, "Rev." Jim Jones and Osama bin Laden, are just a few of the countless number of religious lunatics who are now doing 50 million jumping jacks in Hell. "Rev." Andy Gipson is vying to be a member of that lunatic fringe. He doesn't serve God. His actions blaspheme God. Perhaps, we could all say a prayer for him.

Nowadays we know that it is genetic, another good argument for "God made them that way, in his own image."

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Actually we don't know any such thing. Only one study has concluded that, and peer review discovered that its author was homosexual.

Otherwise, your history of "religion" statement is accurate and sound, though it is no less accurate but more clear to state the fact that the authors of the writings that were later made into the "Bible" were illiterates.

Shouldn't this be in the health, (mental) section or the very least entertainment?

RADAGAST SAID:

No question that he thinks it's a sin. However, sin is only a crime in theocratic dictatorship. It's perfectly fine in America, which means there is no basis for this bigot's hatred.

But he did reference a passage from Leviticus that calls for death and stated that the only opinion that counts is the opinion of that exact passage. Now I truly believe that this guy is like most christians and doesn't actually think about what the bible really says, but his ignorance doesn't give him a pass. Then of course there is the glaring hypocrisy that comes from using Leviticus to attack gays, but then ignoring every other thing that Leviticus says. Apparently some christians still don't see what is impossibly hypocritical about cherry picking bible passages from the supposedly immutable word of god and doing so only to support their own black heart. A true christian understands that Jesus (you know, the guy that christians are first and foremost supposed to listen to) preached against the old testament books such as Leviticus and spoke about loving all people for who and what they are. A true christian does not revert to the old testament brutality, but focuses on love. Andy Gipson is therefore a hypocrite, a fool, a bigot, and a very poor excuse for a christian.

No comment, just wanted everyone to READ THIS TRUTH AGAIN....

Krestov: You say that you don't believe he meant they should be put to death - what happens when someone in his congregation actually believes that what he SAID was what he MEANT and goes out and kills a gay person? If he didn't mean what he said, he shouldn't have said it. Nuff said.

MikeyMike - I refer you to The Gospel According to John, where there is mentioned, several times, "the apostle whom Jesus loved". That phrase is generally regarded as refering to one of the 12 who had a special place in the group and not just a writer's affectation to avoid refering to himself. The actual, true meaning is lost to antiquity.

Dragonus, it is a wonder that you could possibly see anything at all, with that huge beam called "hatred" stuck in your eye. Don't understand? Read what Jesus said in Matthew 7:3. "Gays are nothing more than criminals." Really?

Since when does Leviticus say "sexual relations"? Could the "good Baptist minister" (an oxymoron) please show us the direct translation and the original word for "sexual relations" as taken from the original manuscript of Leviticus? The King James version says "lay"...do these people just make it all up as they go depending on who they want to hate?

I don't know one gay man that lays with or has sexual relations with a man the same way he does with a woman...so what's the problem?

The "Reverend" Andy Gipson is is just another religious hate merchant. Lets not forget, Gipson is the type of person supported by the Republican party. If your in love with the idea of America becoming a religious dictatorship be sure to vote Republican in November. Republicans will turn this country into a theocracy so fast you won't know what happened until your being forced to pray 5 times a day and if you don't you'll be put in prison for the crime of blasphemy. If these people don't scare you, they should.

AlabamaMale, I smell BS, how did three Gay males attack you? How did you know they were gay? What did YOU do that the police would call it a Hate Crime/Gay Bashing? Let me guess, you said something hateful and inflammatory, and then cried to the police when the three gay men responded to YOU. That isn't FREE SPEECH, it's harassment.

What special rights do we have? N. Carolina just rejected civil unions and any gay housing/employment protection. We aren't even equal in NC. Employment and housing can be terminated. BTW it's affecting unmarried straight couples too. Lets see how the law in NC treats them LOL.

While I'd never condone, assist or encourage a death threat to a Politician/Minister, an individual making such a threat is quite different than said Politician/Minister making his death threat his pubic policy on Facebook. Some role model!

"Let me see if I got this right, the Gay community is upset
that he quoted a verse of the Bible that says Gay’s should be put to death, so
their response is to make death threats against him. Himm seems like a double standard to me, I
notice there was no mention of criticizing those who made death threats against
him. O wait that’s right, straight
people do not have the right to freedom of speak anymore, only gays do, I’m
sorry I forgot. Please, Gays go ahead
and make death threats; it must be all right for you to do so.

It boils down to this, you want me to accept gays, fine, I
will but ONLY after they stop receiving special rights that others do not
get!!! Until then I will continue to
hate them, and I have a reason too, I was attacked by 3 Gays when I was 21, I was
able to get away, but was told BY THE POLICE that if I filed a complaint that I
would be Gay bashing. So as far as I am
concerned they can all go straight to HELL, and yes I have earned the right to
say that."

Alabama male...who said it was gays who threatened to kill him?

2 years ago i would never have believed that a Representative of our country would say or even think something in those lines.Today i have no doubt in my mind that he said it, no doubt in my mind that the Republican establishment and Republican voters will endorse it and no doubt in my mind that they will not denounce it.

These are the people who want you to give them the oportunity to serve our country

What any good Christian knows is that the referenced part of the Old Testament was declared by Jesus Christ's disciples to be invalid for Christians. The Council of Jeruselam was made up of people who were direct followers of Jesus - they walked with him and listened to him - and these rules were declared invalid for Christians.

I have a question, how is it that people think they can pay for somebody Else's sin?

The Lord said go spread the word, Not beat people over the head with it!

JNagarya

Actually it has been concluded that sexuality is in fact genetic based. However the specific set of genes behind it is still elusive, and to make a point a good comparison is hair color, we know it must be genetically based but as yet we have not identified the gene.

We turn to animals in the wild and more recently intersex individuals. Animals who never meet their parents nor see the act of mating instinctively pair off and mate. Showing that sexuality is not a learned behavior.

In humans intersex individuals who are genetically XY but non-distinguishable genitalia often had their sex reassigned to female and their non-distinguishable genitalia reconstructed as such. These individuals would then be bought up as female and come puberty had to take hormones to produce secondary female characteristics. What was then discovered that the majority of the individuals were attracted to other females.

So there is evidence in humans and animals that sexuality has a genetic component which makes sense. Mother nature or god ( if you are religious) would not leave the most important function for a species, reproduction and child bearing, to the a mere learned behavior. It does not make biological sense.

I hate to bust your bubble, but if the President can freely endorse gay rights, then certainly there will be oppsoing views and they are just as entitled those views in this country.

Jumpmaster I agree with what you say, but I can tell you that I am getting pretty tired of having the other beaten over my head. By that I mean, IF I disagree then I am _____________(pick a name, homophobe for one).

Cuts both ways!!!!

Ahhh, we're doing the old, 'I didn't say it'.......I'm just pointing out how god said it and I happen to wholeheartedly agree...........switcheroo now are we?

They want for Government to stop telling them how they are allowed to run their lives -- but they want for Government to tell everyone else who they are allowed to marry, what kind of jobs they can work, where they can live, etc, etc, etc. The "reasoning" for this?

"The Bible says so".

TXHorseman, I can relate to your comment - I find that the Tea Baggers and other members of the right wing lunatic fringe are guilty of the same sort of binary reasoning: If you disagree with me then you must be a progressive, bleeding heart liberal, etc.... Ultimately, there is only one "true" Tea Bagger, but no two people can totally agree on every subject!

wish you didn't have to hear it from God himself on judgement day to believe this.

God doesnt exist, and Jesus was a myth. Sorry, I parted ways with 'jesus' a long time ago when my church started raping and molesting children, attending soldier funerals to celebrate their death as Gods Revenge against fags' and Muslims. This jackass just as well should be wearing a white hood and burning cross. America, this is your teabagging future....killing 'fags' and 'liberals' for jesus

I stopped sitting in the pew, when Jesus got turned into an misogynist, immigrant hater, minority hater, jew hater and conservative repuplican. Religion is a fraud perpetuated for the weak

In case no one noticed this blinding flash of the obvious, homophobia is the new racism. The gay rights movement is the new civil rights movement.

Get with the program everyone.

When will these so-called born again Christians learn that you can't live under the old testament (THE LAW) and the new testament (GRACE AND FORGIVENESS OF THE LORD JESUS) at the same time. If you choose the law and you screw up just one time you're doomed to hell. Ya'll best get your act together.

It boils down to this, you want me to accept gays, fine, I
will but ONLY after they stop receiving special rights that others do not
get!!! Until then I will continue

What special rights? Please be specific. What special rights do GAys and Lesbians have that you dont?

You know it always amazes me how these homophobes seem to think Gays and Lesbians somehow have special priveledges...or that somehow stopping the use of the word 'Marriage' for gay couples really will do anything to prevent it, or stop it...or change anything....at all! Or that somehow, their life is being ruined because people want to love each other.

Its inevitable that we evolve and accept the existence of same sex couples. Our kids are so much past this. All they have to do is outlive you and your old thinking.....their world will not have the same disdain for love and relationships that the presnt generations do. They will have shown us how the future ought to be.

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So the pastor says he wasn't advocating Killings gays. Initially I thought this might be a bit overblown until I looked up the references. It's hard to believe him once you break it down:

Romans 1:26-28

²⁶ Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

²⁷ In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

²⁸ Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

If he had stopped there then this would be simply another example of someone who was condemning homosexuality based on their religious belief. BUT then he goes on to reference Leviticus 20:30, which says:

¹³ “‘If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

source

So if he doesn't believe, or advocates killing homosexuals why the reference to Leviticus 20:30?

"I have never publicly or privately called for the killing of any people," Gipson said.

But he alluded to it through this reference! Any reasonable person would come to the same conclusion.

On Friday, Gipson posted: "I do not, cannot, and will not apologize for the inspired truth of God's Word."

He may never had said aloud that he believes in killing gays, but I'd bet he would not come out and say he doesn't believe people should be killed because they were gay. That would mean he doesn't hold true all that is written in his bible. His God says They should be killed, and it is his God's words that inspire him. No need to put words in his mouth. He's said enough to understand where he's coming from.

And why can't people leave gays alone? Seriously, is your marriage so fragile, your family so close to being dysfunctional that gays marry would push it over the edge? Really? And please don't state the 'it's unnatural' crap. People usually get married because they love each other and want to show their commitment to each other. COMMITMENT! You don't need a marriage license to procreate, or have sex.

This is coming from a hetero married man with children.

Rep. Andy Gipson, (R-Braxton) is displaying a monumental ignorance of Christianity.

While some religions do follow the Old Testament, Christians are "Saved by Grace" not by actions.

Remember that part about "ALL have sinned"???

Grace is what saves a Christian. Not who they lust after, not who they sleep with.

Funny, the Ten Commandments make no mention of sexuality, unless you count the bit about envying their neighbor's donkey.

Would telling a lie, or stealing, which are mentioned in the Ten Commandments, be more of a "sin" because they were spelled out by God at Mount Sinai? Would you condemn anyone for stealing or lying?

I think that legislators could not pass that test anywhere. So unless its in the red letters that Jesus said, or in something profoundly know to be written by God, its not really a LAW, is it? Or should we punish by death anyone who eats pork?

Such anti-homosexual views are definitely unChristian.

They want for Government to stop telling them how they are allowed to run their lives -- but they want for Government to tell everyone else who they are allowed to marry, what kind of jobs they can work, where they can live, etc, etc, etc.

Actually its the other way around. Gays want special rights, because it is not enough to discriminate people on the basis of whether they are black or white, male or female, etc. They feel they can justify their hatred towards others because they are of a "popular" minority. So what if the pastor has his rights revoked? So what if they are infringing upon his freedom of religion or that of anyone else's?

The govt. is telling everyone else how to lead their lives by saying which freedoms we are allowed to express and which ones are not. This is due in fact to whichever political party is in office right now. It is not only a right wing area. The Democrats control the white House and never have we seen so much hate in the past 3 years as we do right now. Why is that?

The fact is, most people do not want to hear constantly about gay rights, gay hate crimes, etc.

The "reasoning" for this? "The Bible says so".

No.... The reason for this is that 98% of the people aren't gay. Stop thinking that the gay minority has to control the govt. That is what is known as a dictatorship.

Gays can speak freely whenever they want. But freedom of speech doesn't ONLY apply to them.

Wow, every single post in this thread is a shining example of ignorance and hatred. Well done, people.

Let's get some facts on the table.

It is highly probable that at least 10% of our population is gay or lesbian. Look it up.

It is highly likely that someone in your family is gay or lesbian.

The very day that one of your kids or nieces or nephews comes out of the closet, you will be on the side of absolute equal rights, for you will finally be able to "walk in their shoes".

They are us. Lighten up and get off your righteous high horse.

I agree Sgt D - ignorance and hatred spawned by a bigoted pastor, who, lacking the guts to say how he really feels, uses blibical scripture to convey his message. Perhaps we can add coward to the list?

I wrote an article in response to the NAACP support for Pres. stance... It includes the link to the NY Times article which is verbatim of the NAACP release. Please read, vote and leave comments if possible and tell me what yall think..... as for this article... He use one verse from the New and One from the Old... this is a ecumenical teaching / preaching style... It is intended to illustrate that God did not "change His mind" in the New Testament about homosexuality... it was a sin in the Old and still a sin in the New... It is not even close to endorsement of violence against anyone...

Many of you you (guessing) probably havent read the Bible all the way thru..(I have and still study) and many of you (guessing again by some of the responses) haven't been to church or Bible study or you would know why he used two scriptures instead of one. The left LOVES to quote ONLY the Old testament to emphasize the hate (the article did it by printing the entire Old verse and only the reference of the New) and (predictably) the left also loves to "quote" the New testament love, forgiveness of Jesus to show how "hateful" Christians are.. If he endorsed killing of a soul (yes gays have souls to) then he is NOT a Christian... doesn't matter what scripture he uses. They clearly took offense at God's word.. and could care less the intent... He IS a preacher... sorry to yalls sensitivity that he didn't flip flop like President Obama has in his professed "Christian" belief.

here is the link to the article

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A vote for Romney is a vote for religious nuts like this guy. When I read this stuff and see some of the posts supporting it I almost think it is all some kind of a sick joke but then reality sets in and I realize that people actually think this way and firmly believe that it is ok. Sick, Sick, Sick!!!

If your religion prohibits you from properly representing ALL of your constituents, perhaps you should STAY THE F!CK OUT OF GOVERNMENT!

This is a typical article used by the press today to set two sides against each other, and then to take our eyes off what the problem with this current administration the president comes out and supports gay marriage. First, who cares! I am married to my wife and if Adam and Steve get married and Eve and Elvira get married it in no way effects my marriage or any other, this is not a community event but a personal relationship. Also for the federal government to get involved does not matter, they have no say at all in this matter, it is up to the states. As a Christian I do not apologize for what the bible states, if you do not like it then do not read the Bible or pretend to be a follower if you ignore its teachings, but as long as we are splitting hairs, the Bible also teaches lazy, or glutinous people, thieves, or liars are living as God wants us too, so does he see a homosexual as more of a sinner then say a lazy person, no. So for you self righteous people that want to read the bible and look down your noses at gay people you might want to get the sins mentioned in the bible out of your life before you judge others. And for you other Christians you might want to take a lesson from Christ and learn to love the people and not the sin they are committing.

Last, for you that attack us for our beliefs, why is it OK for you to believe we are antiquated and we should be forced to accept your life style. If you want acceptance then you might want to learn how to give it first and then you will find others will be more receptive towards you. As a Christian I will tell you how the bible teaches, but as a American citizen I will fight for your right to live as you see fit, would you do the same?

AlabamaMale,

First of all, gay people are not seeking any special rights and certainly not any rights that others don't have.

What they are seeking is their rights are to be the same as your rights.

For example: The seek only to remove laws that are preventing them the rights you have and they do not. Another way to put it is all they want is what the 5th Amendment guarantees: Equal Protection Under The Law.

But like all right wing-nuts (you), they always are looking through the fat end of the telescope to their eye, not the thin like you are supposed too.

People should not use the Old Testament scriptures for their basis on homosexuality or any thing else for that matter.

Jesus Christ died on the cross and because of that the priestly laws in the Old Testament are no longer followed and doesn't apply today. Basically the priestly laws were abolished.

BUT the moral laws were not abolished because they are based on the character of God.

This is why Jesus Christ will forgive EVERY sin but remember after forgiving a sin Jesus then said, "go and sin no more".

@Krestov, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a Biological law of determining a living species that the species be able to reproduce? With that argument in mind, and knowing that the response would be gays and lesbians can reproduce via invitro (spellcheck), would you please tell me how gay or lesbian relations is technically natural?

And to the response, invitro is a medical procedure that is truthfully no more natural than an artificial limb after someone has lost it. You may be restoring a sense of normalcy, but by definition it is not natural.

I would also like to point out I am not using religious annotations. Just a little bit of common sense and practical knowledge.

Jo Ann - What about Jews? They shouldn't use the Hebrew Bible?

I do find it interesting that if you ask 10 Christians to interpret the New Testament you'll get 10 different interpretations. However, there is no misinterpreting the quotation Gipson referenced. He made his bed. His apologists have flimsy rebuttals at best.

My take is that this conversation, especially as it relates to homosexual marriage, is not the realm of the Federal government.

To date, no homosexual marriage proposal has ever passed a vote of the people. Not one time. Not anyplace. Voters do matter in America, wouldn't you say?

Secondly, this man is an elected official. Which means he must have a constituency. If he has offended them, he will soon be out of a job.

30 states to date have added a ban to homosexual marriage to their respective constitutions. I live in Tennessee, and I know that such a constitutional ban passed by 81% of the vote. Tennessee does not have 81% Republicans, nor does it have 81% Democrats. What it does have, apparently, is 81% of the state population who simply do not agree with homosexual marriage. That is a substantial majority of tax paying Americans who have the right to choose and to make the type of home state they would like to live in. Some may try to make a religious issue out of it, but the truth is it is a issue of democracy and choice.

A few years ago, Tennessee became home to a pornographic horse ranch. Pictures were sold regarding sex with stallions. One man died of a perforated colon. Ten men and one woman were rounded up - but no charges were filed, no laws had been broken. A careful examination by an experienced veterinarian showed there was no cruelty to the horses involved - they were well cared for and apparently happy. So Tennesseans had to go to the ballot box to declare that bestiality was now a felony. We didn't see the need for such a law for 200 years. Modern times, I guess, but the process of putting the question to a vote is exactly what makes America great. We ARE the people of our state. By a vast majority we have decided we want neither bestiality nor homosexual marriage in Tennessee. I believe this is the American way. States' prerogatives are protected by the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution. Do you think this needs to changed?

When the "pastor" said the only thing that mattered what the bible said and the quote he reads is death to homosexuals, he is calling for the death of homosexuals. Which means he is as hate-filled as the so-called Westboro Baptist Church that protest at soldiers funerals, and Pat Robertson who has said the storms that have destroyed so much and taken so many lives as "Gods judgement on America" and all the others who have said as much ever since Katrina happened.

There are those who want to quote Rev. Wright's one sermon where the only part they have listened to or use is the "God damn America". When if you listen to more than one line, he was talking about the same thing many white pastors have said- that we "brought the chickens home to roost by or actions around the world". And I think we did end up being so hated by many around the world because of what we did in their countries. We can't deny we have done some bad things- even if many in America weren't aware of what was going on behind the scenes. Don't forget- Saddam Hussein was our friend before he was our enemy. As have been numerous other dictators and heads of state of other countries. We allowed people like Saddam to murder his own countrymen without lifting a finger, Libya's "president" is another great example. Because he was a friend to our government he was given a pass. Can you imagine what it sounds like to other countries when they see Westboro or hear the comments like the ones Gipson made and they surely don't see how we can hold ourselves up as the model for their country- when ours so-called religious leaders say much the same kinds of things that their religious leaders do. (Think Koran burning preacher.) I'm sure they don't see what we know is supposed to be when things like this idiot pastor get plastered all over the news.

And before the attacks begin, I love this country and what this country is supposed to stand for and I will continue to fight for freedom for all. I think some have lost sight of what it is supposed to be. Some of the worst are the ones complaining loudly about "going back to the Constitution" or that "want my country back". They seem to forget that the freedoms they want to keep from others is the very freedom we should be celebrating- freedom for everyone.

Freedman - How long did it take to allow women and African Americans equal civil rights in our country? In 50 years your argument will make as little sense to most people as racial segregation does to most of us now. All you're doing is denying homosexual Americans the same rights you enjoy...civil rights, not religious.

Bob - it was Tennessee that won the day for women's suffrage. The 19th amendment was stalled until Tennessee led the way.

The ability to vote exists as one of the most cherished Constitutional Rights that many fought for, marched for, and died for over the centuries. Let us not treat it lightly.

Well, it's not accurate to say that Tennessee led the way, but you all were certainly crucial in ratifying the 19th amendment.

I don't treat the right to vote lightly, but this is a matter of civil rights. If I were to tell you that all red-haired adults were banned from being married you would think it was ridiculous, and you should.

@ Bob-613, the Jews can believe and follow what they want. I'm talking about the Christian faith. Jesus Christ made it very clear that if you come to Him and redeem yourself He will forgive every sin but He doesn't want you to sin any more.

What does a loving father or mother do when their child does something that is wrong? They tell them what they did was wrong and to please don't do it again. Love the sinner but not the sin. A good parent should not make it easier for their child to sin again. There has to be moral structure.

Bob, you don't have any authority to ban red-haired adults from being married, so yes, I would think that quite ridiculous.

The real question is, what role does voting play in America? Is voting only important if it goes your way? Is voting not at all important, as we really only need appointed judges to figure things out? Or is the vote one of the most important building blocks of of America? Is the vote worth preserving? Is the ability to vote and self-determination worth fighting and dying for? Or has the vote become old-fashioned, a relic of times past, an indicator that people actually are not able, nor should they be able to practice self-determination?

freedman1 - I agree with you that I do not have the authority to ban red-haired adults from being married, nor should I. So then what authority should I have to ban homosexuals from being married (in a civil capacity, not a religious capacity)?

Voting in our country helps us feel like we are being represented. Are we? I don't know. I'd like to think the majority of Americans have a voice, but I often doubt it.

Bob - In Tennessee that authority came from the people who are citizens of the state, via the vote. A constitutional amendment was passed that specifically defines marriage as between one man and one woman. That is the law of the land in Tennessee and in 29 other states as well. It wasn't handed to us by a preacher, by a judge, by a Democrat or by a Republican. We chose it for ourselves. The 10th Amendment of the Bill of Rights gives us this ability. I believe it is worth keeping, worth defending, worth exercising.

Jo Ann - You said "People should not use the Old Testament scriptures." Thank you for clarifying that you are actually referring only to Christians...especially since Jews don't generally appreciate it being called the "Old Testament," and they certainly wouldn't appreciate a Christian telling them what part of the Torah they should and shouldn't use.

Not really sure why you went on about other stuff, but you're obviously welcome to live your life as you wish. It's too bad you don't seem to feel homosexuals deserve the same luxury.

Same-sex marriage cannot legally be performed in Israel, because only government-recognized religious authorities — all of whom disallow same-sex marriage — may officiate marriages.

Just this month - May 2012 - a same-sex marriage bill was rejected by the Israeli Parliament.

freedman - It is no surprise that votes would go that way in an 80% Christian country. It doesn't change the fact that you are segregating citizens - basically treating them as 2nd rate - because of their sexual orientation. Bigots hiding in the voting booth are still bigots.

If a constitutional amendment was passed specifically stating that women will not have the right to vote would you then support that amendment?

I'm not really sure what that blurb about Israel has to do with our conversation. I don't really care a whole lot about Israel's policies on marriage. I care about the U.S.A.

That blurb was related to the JoAnn conversation you were also having.

As far as constitutional amendments go - or any law for that matter - there are plenty of 'em I don't agree with. Tennessee, for instance, outlaws marijuana for any purpose. I think Tennessee should outlaw poison ivy first, if they want to make a plant illegal. But they didn't ask me. So I know the law. If I want to get high, I should go to California, I suppose.

Nationally, we had the 19th Amendment to the Constitution. Later, we put in the 21st Amendment, which undid the 19th. So, laws are fluid. If enough people in Tennessee decide they now want homosexual marriage to be upheld, we can change the law. Right now, that is not the case, however. Do you suggest somebody should change our state law for us? That the right of the people to self-determination is a variable right, maybe not even a right, possibly a suggestion?

I believe in the vote, Bob. I do not always agree with it, but I sure believe in it, and am willing to defend it.

freedman1 - Have you forgotten the anti-miscegenation laws that existed for hundreds of years before the Supreme court ruled it unconstitutional in 1967? Alabama waited until 2001 to repeal it. In the late 50's over 90% were against marriage between blacks and whites. It wasn't until the late 90s until a majority said that this was ok. Point being that civil rights protected these people when the overwhelming majority was against it.

Civil rights protect blacks and women from mass prejudice and discrimination - it is now time to protect gays as well.

a lot of gays have fought to become clergymen, so they dont seem to be attacking christians. it just goes to show that gays can believe in things just as stupid as the things straight christians believe in. and i dont care if either one believes in myths that are ludicrous on the face of it, as long as they dont try to advocate discriminating against some people based on their pathetic theology. and on the broader subject of marriage, i think we should take advantage of the gay controversy to get rid of marriage completely, for gays and straights. people could define marriage as a religious practice any way they choose, it just wouldnt have anything to do with the government. if you need to have some type of legal structure for taxes, health benefits, hospital visits, etc, everyone can be in the same type of civil union, instead of favoring one type of pair over another, or getting b*tt hurt over calling it marriage.

Ahh - well that blurb really wasn't contextually relevant to my conversation with Jo Ann, but I get it now.

I would be all for banning poison ivy, fyi...and I have never said I don't agree with the right to vote. However there is a fine line between civil rights and human rights. I think that's why this is such a sore subject. By denying this civil right we are socially segregating homosexuals from heterosexuals. If you're OK with that and feel it should be voted on it's certainly your right to feel that way. I find it sad people in this country are so advanced in some ways yet so backwards in others. Regardless, I'm confident same-sex marriage / civil unions will eventually be recognized on a federal level. One day this will all be moot.

@Bob-613, people brought up the Old Testament and I just wanted to point out that things in the OT were abolished but the moral laws were not. I have nothing against a homosexual. But Jesus said go and sin no more.

We all sin and at the end of the day we all have to answer to the man upstairs.

You might be right, Bob.

Some countries allow for multiple marriage partners, but not the United States. Maybe as we advance this barrier will also evaporate. In the meantime, our laws reflect our culture and our mores. We get to decide what these are, whether it relates to multiple, simultaneous spouses, or same sex marriage. Can a man love two women? - is it possible for a woman to love two men? Why does every state make this type of love illegal in the sense that if a person tries to marry all they love they will find themselves crossways of the law.

This is a reflection of our society, and it is determined by the people that live in and partake of that society.

This is how it should be, I think.

Religion can inspire goodness in people but, unfortunately, it is too often used as a conduit and justification for ignorance and hatred.

Too much religion. boys and girls.

Just speaking in general but if you notice, people who say that Christians are hateful or ignorant are hateful & ignorant themselves. I've always noticed that.

Everybody knows that if your hairline comes to a point in the middle of your forehead - that you are an agent of the Devil... duh!

Hallelujah!

I'll bet that his Klan robe and hood are all natural fibers!!

What's wrong with Red Lobster?

bluesky5678 - What's wrong with Red Lobster?

Eating there is an abomination in the view of Rep Gipson's imaginary friend.

Oh. Okay, so why does God hate Red Lobster?

bluesky5678 - What's wrong with Red Lobster?

Eating there is an abomination in the view of Rep Gipson's imaginary friend.

They are in direct competition with the Old Spaghetti Factory.

Leviticus 11:12

Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.

God hates shrimp. I'm sure this baptist minister from Mississippi has never partaken of the devil crawdad since he knows it to be an abomination in the eyes of his vengeful lord. Nor has he eaten of the hell clam or oyster spawn. Never has a demon shrimp passed his lips. Since he knows these are sins I'm sure we only have to wait days before he introduces legislation to eliminate these from the Mississippi menu!

I'm not holding my breathe.

Doesn't the shell of a shrimp classify as scales? It's made of the same material.

Anyway, if he chooses not to eat shrimp, that leaves more for the rest of us.

No, thats an exoskeleton.

And he looks kind of CHUBBY. Didn't he read in the bible what an ABOMINATION GLUTTONY is? He REALLY should go on a DIET if he want to avoid SINNING in the EYES OF THE LORD!

Oh wait. That was the OTHER BAPTIST MINISTER that was railing against people different from him - LIKE THIN PEOPLE!

Dan42day....

LOL

I'm forced to wonder why God would create all these "abominations" in the first place. Pretty capricious, isn't it?

Kind of makes you wonder what skeletons Mr. Gipson has hanging in HIS "closet". Next to his KKK robes.

Ahkbar Allah; no that's what the Muslims say. I meant: "Praise the Lord"!

Blue Sky - don't know if you ever got a serious, straight answer. Leviticus, which is almost always quoted by those who would condemn homosexuality, also condemns eating shellfish, pork, many kinds of birds, eating foods made from meat and milk products (cheeseburger, anyone), wearing wool with leather, condemns by stoning both partners found committing adultery, considers sex with a woman during her period as unclean, and on and on and on. There are thousands of no-no's, which people like Gipson completely ignore, while they pull out this one passage about men not laying with men as they do with women to completely, unequivocally condemn homosexuality. Those who know their Bible get very offended by this "cherry-picking" (as was noted above) to push someone's agenda. They love to ignore the fact that the Ten Commandments make no mention of homosexuality, and neither did Jesus. Which, in my opinion, are rather major oversights by the homophobic Christian.

God didn't create sin and Adam's choice to be seduced to eat the apple by eve brought sin into the world.

Sin runs rampent and has distorted what a sinless world would be.

Homosexual acts are sinfull, but the person or sinner should be shown respect and treated as a human being.

The old law required death, after the ultimate sacrific new law= forgiveness and love for the sinner but not to condone the sin itself.

Mr. Gipson as has every human in this world has sinned.

God help us all

Apparently, squid, octopus didn't make the cut, and Patrick Star in fishnets just makes Him go "eeeewww".

Hoo Lordy Jesus and you know they are serving pork sausage at the pancake breakfast for the Church Building Fund!!! But they aren't hypocritical, are they?

Has he sold his daughter into slavery yet? Does he keep Kosher? Does he paint lamb's blood on his door jam? Where does he do his burnt offerings - a fire or the BBQ grill? If he's going to quote the Old Testament, then he should keep ALL of it.

God didn't create sin and Adam's choice to be seduced to eat the apple by eve brought sin into the world.

Does anyone else think this is ridiculous?! I mean seriously, he ate an apple and then *presto* we have sin??? Isn't premarital sex sinful... yet premarital sex between adam and eve wasn't until they ate an apple. How stupid a myth.

God didn't create sin and Adam's choice to be seduced to eat the apple by eve brought sin into the world.

The Bible doesn't say that it was an apple.

Looks like Gipson is on the path to becoming the next GOP candidate for the US Senate, his hate speach certainly shows that he's "conservative" enough.

@Bernie Made-Off

You seem to be implying that the Klan is full of homosexuals. Does that make you a racist or a homophobe? AH, just a bigot. Of course.

"Kind of makes you wonder what skeletons Mr. Gipson has hanging in HIS "closet". Next to his KKK robes."

...Do you think he's the type to purchase his meth from his male prostitute, or is he more the toe-tappin' in the public toilet type?

"Homosexual acts are sinfull, but the person or sinner should be shown respect and treated as a human being."

Do you mean like being burned alive like in the good ol' days, Bernie? Unfortunately, your god and his son have been responsible for an incredible amount of torture and bloodshed over the centuries. Eat your apples and watch Adam, Eve and their spawn inbreed if you want...but please keep your perverted, bloody mythology to yourself.

Does anyone on this site actually read the bible or are they just quoting what other atheists say? It's astonishing to see how many people are decieved about what the bible actually says. I think you guys fit the verse perfectly (1 Timothy 1:7):

⁷ They want to be known as teachers of the law of Moses, but they don’t know what they are talking about, even though they speak so confidently.

And then it goes on to say in vs. 9-10:

⁹ For the law was not intended for people who do what is right. It is for people who are lawless and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who kill their father or mother or commit other murders.

¹⁰ The law is for people who are sexually immoral, or who practice homosexuality, or are slave traders, liars, promise breakers, or who do anything else that contradicts the wholesome teaching

But you see, God knew you would behave this way which is why he gave it to you in the bible even before you were born!

There is no law in the bible that God made about homosexuals. When he told the jews to go forth and multiply he said they would have to stop the practice. Levict is a man made book written by men not god. So also is 75-85% of the bible.

When Republicans justify their hatred against gays with the Bible, when they quote scripture as a basis for discriminating against a minority, when they use religion to harm those that are not religious, they are legislating religion.

I believe God made man (and by that I mean man AND womankind) in his own image. The trinity is the father, the son and the holy ghost. I believe everybody has a masculine side and a feminine side to themselves.

I was raised southern baptist and that is what we were taught - god made you the way that you are. You are born the way he wanted you to be. So here's a novel thought.

I don't believe anybody chooses to be gay. I believe you are born that way. And maybe God created gay men, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgenders - because he wants the backwards homophobic rubes in this country to actually LEARN something. There IS a new testament, Jesus was born.

And did Jesus ever mention anything about homosexuality? NO, he did not. Practically 90% of what Jesus preached had to do with helping the poor, those who are less fortunate than you are. Jesus preached about love, compassion, forgiving ones enemies, getting along with others, turning the other cheek, etc.

He preached a gospel of love, mercy and inclusion; not one of hatred, judgment and exclusion. So I don't think he'd be too pleased with the way homophobes act and think because they are completely ignoring his teachings. Discriminating against the gay community, gay bashing them and / or calling for them to be killed - is hardly what Jesus would do.

This is a typical article used by the press today to set two sides against each other, and then to take our eyes off what the problem with this current administration the president comes out and supports gay marriage. First, who cares! I am married to my wife and if Adam and Steve get married and Eve and Elvira get married it in no way effects my marriage or any other, this is not a community event but a personal relationship. Also for the federal government to get involved does not matter, they have no say at all in this matter, it is up to the states. As a Christian I do not apologize for what the bible states, if you do not like it then do not read the Bible or pretend to be a follower if you ignore its teachings, but as long as we are splitting hairs, the Bible also teaches lazy, or glutinous people, thieves, or liars are living as God wants us too, so does he see a homosexual as more of a sinner then say a lazy person, no. So for you self righteous people that want to read the bible and look down your noses at gay people you might want to get the sins mentioned in the bible out of your life before you judge others. And for you other Christians you might want to take a lesson from Christ and learn to love the people and not the sin they are committing.

Last, for you that attack us for our beliefs, why is it OK for you to believe we are antiquated and we should be forced to accept your life style. If you want acceptance then you might want to learn how to give it first and then you will find others will be more receptive towards you. As a Christian I will tell you how the bible teaches, but as a American citizen I will fight for your right to live as you see fit, would you do the same?

And breadex next time you wish to comment about the Bible it would do you good to read it because the bible is very firm in its statement that homosexuality is a sin. And Leviticus was written by the same person that wrote the Bible from Geneses to Deuteronomy, Moses, so your statement has no merit.

There is no law in the bible that God made about homosexuals.

Breadex: Unfortunately you are mistaken. While God doesn't think of homosexuality as any different than any other type of sexual sin, you are mistaken in the fact that God would condone it. No where in the bible does it say that any other type of sexual sin is okay even if it is considered a "natural" desire. You know I made the mistake of not including the 8th verse in my above post, but I think it fits for this response:

⁸ We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.( 1 Timothy 1: 8)

Ummm...unhappy...

The term "homosexuality" did not come into being until the 20th century. Can you please give us the original term used so that we can translate it for ourselves? Who wrote the bible you are reading? Pat Robertson?

Funny that you should use such a modern term in a post lecturing those who quote scripture and do not know what they are talking about.

Until the churches are taxed like any other business, I say NO preachers in public office. This preacher is pretending not to understand his own Old Testament. The text he is citing does mandate the death penalty for homosexuality, and for him to deny that he was advocating the death penalty is to deny that he understands his own holy book. These Father God in the Sky religions ask people to surrender rational thought and believe in invisible beings. This kind of deliberate suspension of rational processes promotes the kind of hatred and redneck backwards ignorance that this lying politician is displaying. He needs to be kicked out of office.

The bible does not use the term homosexuality but rather states when 'a man lies with a man' or a 'women lies with a woman' for sexual reason. This is the definition of homosexuality. So please stop picking at straws, it says what it says, there is no way to explain it away or to state that you accept some of it and not other parts. Either you except it in its entirety or non at all.

The term "homosexuality" did not come into being until the 20th century. Can you please give us the original term used so that we can translate it for ourselves?

Shockanddisgusted: Would you prefer it in the greek language? In fact there are plenty of verses regarding homosexuality and whichever term you use to describe it, it still means the same. And unless you speak another language... it would be hard for you to understand that the translations are not always literal but rather how the whole idea is conveyed. That goes with any modern language as well.

Nice try, but that double talk wouldn't work on anybody.

• Teabaggers, how do you like your NUTS???

Isn't it kind of hard to deny when you already put it out on the internet?

Unhappy...

You are correct in what you state. May I also add the following:

Our Creator established rules governing marriage long before governments began regulating the institution. The opening book of the Bible tells us: “A man will leave his father and his mother and he must stick to his wife and they must become one flesh.” (Genesis 2:24) The Hebrew word “wife,” according to Vine’s Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words, “connotes one who is a female human being.” Jesus confirmed that those yoked together in marriage should be “male and female.”—Matthew 19:4.

Thus, God intended marriage to be a permanent and an intimate bond between a man and a woman. Men and women are designed to complement each other so they may be capable of satisfying each other’s emotional, spiritual, and sexual needs and desires.

The well-known Biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah reveals God’s feelings about homosexuality. God declared: “The cry of complaint about Sodom and Gomorrah, yes, it is loud, and their sin, yes, it is very heavy.” (Genesis 18:20) The extent of their sinful depravity at that time was apparent when two guests visited the righteous man Lot. “The men of Sodom . . . surrounded the house, from boy to old man, all the people in one mob. And they kept calling out to Lot and saying to him: ‘Where are the men who came in to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have intercourse with them.’” (Genesis 19:4, 5) The Bible says: “The men of Sodom were bad and were gross sinners against God.”—Genesis 13:13.

The men became “violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males.” (Romans 1:27) They had “gone out after flesh for unnatural use.” (Jude 7) In countries where homosexual rights campaigns are pervasive, some may object to using the word “unnatural” to describe homosexual behavior. However, is not God the final arbiter when it comes to nature? He commanded his ancient people: “You must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.”— Leviticus 18:22.

The Bible is clear: God does not approve of or condone homosexual practices. He also disapproves of people who “consent with those practicing them.” (Romans 1:32) And “marriage” cannot give homosexuality a cloak of respectability. God’s direction that “marriage be honorable among all” precludes homosexual unions, which he considers detestable.—Hebrews 13:4.

This will not be popular among many - it is not meant to be offensive - but i it merely God's law. If truly honest with one's self - do we obey God's laws, until they conflict with our own? ANY one truly serving God, in the way he wants to worshiped - should be following his guidelines as set out the in the scriptures.

This can be debated until the end of time - but all will stand before God - alone, and each one their own merits.

Emotional trauma caused somebody to be gay? Wow, that's a good one. Now why don't you actually come up with an argument / position that makes an ounce of sense. If sexual abuse REALLY caused somebody to become gay - considering the percentage of girls in this country who are sexually molested / raped before the age of 18 - a sizeable percentage of women in this country would be raving lesbians -
including me - since I was sexually molested. But, guess what, I'm not, and they aren't. And most of my friends in the GLBT community weren't sexually abused.

Most of the members of these "ex-gay" groups, the people who try to go to "conversion therapy" - tend to come from more religious families and/or they've been shamed by people for being gay. This shame, possibly combined with whatever warped religious dogma that was crammed down their throats as kids - makes them wish that they weren't gay. They honestly believe that if they just try hard enough, they can become straight. And guess what - it doesn't work!

A friend of my mother's is a perfect example. When she married her husband - she had no idea he was
gay. He'd known he was attracted to guys since he was in middle school. But this was in South Carolina,
he was raised in the southern baptist church, he'd been taught that it was a sin, he was going to go to hell. He didn't want to be gay so he thought that if he got married and just prayed hard enough - his prayers and the love of a good woman would turn him straight.

They didn't. After 12 yrs. of marriage and 2 kids, he couldn't suppress those feelings anymore. Trying to suppress them was literally making him sick. He was suffering from migraines and developed stomach ulcers. He ended up needing emergency surgery for those. After that, he realized the misery wasn't worth it. His relationship with his wife had gone to pot, the sex was lousy to non-existent. Over the years he had grown increasingly short tempered with his kids, was constantly flying off the handle, screaming and yelling.

So he came out of the closet - and everybody in the family has said it was the best thing he ever did, the best thing for the whole family. His wife found a husband who actually DID want to be married to her, he was no longer living a lie that was literally killing him. And both of his children were happy about it too.

There was confusion at first, but as his son told me - at least he and his sister had a reason for why their father was so angry and unhappy all the time. Because, before he came out of the closet, his children were blaming themselves for their father's unhappiness. Since then they've both become much closer to their dad, and they are on very good terms with his partner.

Some people LOVE to cling to psychological swill like distant fathers and overbearing mothers to try and explain why somebody - particularly a man - is gay. I suspect it's because some of them are closeted, or homophobes, and they wish there was some sort of easy "solution", "explanation" i.e. a CURE for being gay. If parents just raised their kids one particular way - there wouldn't be any gay people. It's that whole crap "nature vs. nurture" argument.

Well, it doesn't fly. Gay people were here centuries ago before Jesus was born, they were here while JC was preaching, and they have been here every century since. And they will continue to be here. Instead of clinging to false psychology - people should just accept reality. And the reality is - a mean old distant father, and a bossy old domineering mommy didn't make somebody gay. The heavenly father made them gay - because that is the way he wanted them to be. And if God created a person to be gay - then who are you to question god?

If you're going to quote Christ ... QUOTE ONLY FROM THE FOUR CANONICAL GOSPELS. DO NOT quote from anything purportedly written by Saul/Paul of Tsarsis. He IS NOT CHRIST, was NEVER one of the disciples during Christ's life, PERSECUTED the followers of Christ and was a misogynistic IDIOT.

There's actually quite a large study of the four canonical gospels that show that they were NOT written by the actual men they claim to have been written by, but were in fact written by men who wanted to add "legitimacy" to their writing. There is a missing gospel which was the ROOT of three out of the four that has never been discovered. Doubt me? Ask someone who has been to seminary school or someone who has studied Christian theology.

On to this article ... this man is supposed to know his bible since he is a "Reverend" so you can darn well bet that he KNEW exactly what was in that line from Leviticus. His backtracking when people called him on it just shows that he thought he was pulling a fast one over on people and that he never expected people to be able to look up the verse. If he wants to go preach the "good word" then he should GO! Out of public service, where is supposed to represent EVERYBODY in his constituency.

Why, yes, unhappy. I would like you to produce the original Greek term from the exact verse you are "quoting". I'm glad it is Greek - that will be easy to research.

Tbenton..."lie with man"...etc.,etc., has sexual connotations according to whom? Did your god say that specifically or did someone tell you that?

You are talking about condemning an entire class of people...and you can't be bothered to pick at straws? Sounds to me like it's easier for you to just condemn rather than look for the truth. Typical.

Cat, I do not know where you got your facts from, but unless you accept the gospel as a whole you deny all of it. Revelations states that you can not add or subtract from it or your name will be erased out of the book of life. So your call is completely unbiblical and is just a excuse to do away with what you do not agree with. This was not acceptable when Jefferson did it and it is not with you either.

Tbenton, I am not a Christian nor a Paulian (since most of the passages quoted by people in justification for hate or subjugation of others come from the purported letters of Paul). I have done extensive comparative religious study and continue to do comparative religious study, unlike the majority of Christians. I own a copy of the translation of the Nag Hammadi scrolls (which I'd be willing to bet the majority of Christians do NOT). So I get my facts from others who have studied the Bible and Biblical period not just as a liturgical aid, but also from a historical perspective. Comparative reading of the four gospels in a linear fashion shows that they do not agree on some very important things. For example, exactly when the Last Supper was - whether it was on the day of preparation for Passover or on the day OF Passover. Who went to the tomb? Was it Mary called Magdalene by herself or was it a group of women? The four gospels do NOT agree on some very important events. If nothing else, they should agree on when that Last Supper happened since it forms the basis for the communal meal that early Christians shared as communion (which was the historical basis for communion before it was condensed into wine/grape juice and bread or a wafer). Also, early gospels existed that were not acceptable to the Roman hierarchy when Constantine asked for one book that would serve as the basis for the religion after he converted. The church (which at the time was forming into the Catholic church) was based on a ROMAN model of hierarchy because that is what Constantine knew and was comfortable with. Prior to the council of Nicea, there was no central authority and many ideas (including reincarnation) that were acceptable to the early Christians but were not acceptable to the ROMAN men who sat down to hammer out a single source for the tales of Christ and his teachings.

But many people probably stopped reading at the declaration that I am not Christian. I am also not Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist or Taoist. But I have studied those religions as well as the Earth-based religions. I am not an agnostic or an atheist. I certainly have a belief system that incorporates a higher power. But I tend to keep MY spirituality to myself and try not to make judgments about anybody based solely on what they believe. It's when they spout ideas and words that run counter to their own professed beliefs that I start to get impatient - especially when they spout ideas that are purported to be from a man who never knew Jesus personally, persecuted the apostles before having a "magical" conversion on a road and then set about undermining some of what Jesus taught - including the idea that only when you are free from your own sins can you cast judgement on others (Jn 8:7), removing the beam from your own eye before removing the mote of dust from your neighbor's eye (Matt 7:4, Lk 6:42), judging not lest you also be judged (matt 7:1, lk 6:37) and not "standing in the street" to pray as a hypocrite but instead praying in the privacy of your home (Matt 6:5-6).

Nice try, but that double talk wouldn't work on anybody.

You say this and still contend the bible is "fact"? LOL!!

How is he ignorant of his own beliefs? He accepts the Bible as the inspired word of God. The Bible says homosexual men are to be killed (although I guess lesbians get a free pass). Thus, this preacher believes gay men should be killed. He is a true believer, but since he says that he doesn't say gay men should be killed, he is also a liar. That makes him openly in defiance of the 10 Commandments, so he needs to be clearer on whether he is willing to follow his own beliefs or if he is afraid to, which would make him a coward. None of this "inpires" confidence in his bona fides as a preacher.

How many of these so-called preachers have completed high school?

Hummm...maybe I will call myself a preacher and convince people to pay me.

Hummmmm.....I could scare them and make them angry and rake in tha dough!

Rupert Murdoch does it that way so why cannot anyone? Yeah! *poof* I'm now a preacher!

The lord told me to run for office! Told me a bunch of stuff! Here's the collection plate!

Oldest Ponzi scheme in the book!

He is ignorant of his religion because he does not know of the Council of Jeruselam, which declared the Old Testament purity rules, one of which he quotes, do not apply to Christians.

AnIndividual ... you make an excellent point. Just what are his credentials? ANY ONE can claim to be a minister. He probably has no training. I have a feeling that very few graduates of the Harvard Divinity School go around calling for the killing of gays.

Funny, every church I have ever been to was overflowing with homosexuals in the pulpits and back rooms.

Why do you think they call religious schools "Semenaries"?

If there were no gays, we would have a lot fewer priests, and nuns for that matter!

"All have sinned" "All are saved by Grace of Christ"

If he thinks Leviticus should be followed literally, he would have to also kill anyone eating shrimp or pork.

The ignorant quickly reveal themselves to be fools.

None of this "inpires" confidence in his bona fides as a preacher.

Or as a Congressman for that matter.

If he thinks Leviticus should be followed literally, he would have to also kill anyone eating shrimp or pork.

The ignorant quickly reveal themselves to be fools

Nope.... but you should read my post above #2.24. Here is a little excerpt from 1 Timothy 1:7

⁷ They want to be known as teachers of the law of Moses, but they don’t know what they are talking about, even though they speak so confidently.

Sounds to me like a lot of atheists don't know what they are talking about, yet they speak so confidently!

Call it gaydar. but me thinks the pastor doth protest too much.

They sure love the taxes from the LBGT community and the people that are not homophobes, to give them tax exemptions but they colors come out when it comes to hatred against their own kind and the LGBT community.

This "Man of God" who so blithely judges and condemns, is an example of why I don't go to ANY church any more. I try to hold to the hope that the Constitutional concept of Separation of Church and State will not be declared obsolete by the current radical right wing Supreme Court.

However, this same Supreme Court declared corporations to be "human beings" with all the rights of free speech human citizens have, Mitt Romney agrees ..... thus the rich are free to buy the elections with their billions, while every day normal people's voices are drowned out. So actually, I hold out little hope that America will not become an even more extreme Corporate/ Church oligarchy more than it already is. All is lost ......

I go to church-- a gay church. That's right, a gay church. In fact, I got my spiritual union ceremony in one with my lesbian partner. In the Name of JESUS, no less. I'm still waiting for the fire of God to come down from heaven to consume us, but then, JESUS didn't do that to the Samaritans, but rebuked his disciples for suggesting it. Maybe JESUS loves us lezzies, after all?

Of course he does, Shandril! It is only the bible-thumpers and homophobes with the problems. Very sad! Congratulations to you and your partner!

These ignorant bastards become preachers based upon what? Sure isn't an intimate understanding of Christianity or we'd all be living under the entire law of Leviticus. These morons pick and choose what parts of the law they want to abort, like why not stone adulterers to death? How about making their women wear burkas and remain silent in church only to be taught and ask questions about their religon to their husbands,...

Now, these ignorant bastards become politicians and get elected based upon what? Oh yeah, they get votes from others that have R's on their voter registration cards.....nevermind.

Gipson said he had received threats by phone and email, as well as a death threat against his family, which he reported to authorities.

<sarcasm>

What a great idea! Let's terrorize his family and threaten to kill him, that'll show him, huh?

</sarcasm>

Why is it that liberals feel justified to threaten someone who doesn't agree with their radicalism?

This so-called "man of God" is a gigantic hypocrite. He will burn in Hell.

I don't think he really meant to advocate violence against gay people. I think he was just doing what republicans always do -- speaking/writing without really thinking about what one is saying.

The Bible was written by misogynists and homophobes. It's no more the word of God than my biography. It was the written collection of the oral traditions passed down for years. It was meant to be a guide, yes, but it's been out-of-date from the day it was written. Anyone who blindly follows the letter of the Bible is a total moron.

I am so sick of this. As a Congressman, you put your hand on the Bible and vowed to uphold the Constitution-- NOT the other way around. I don't care what you belief and who you worship, but when you are a member of our government, it Constitutionally CANNOT influence you. If a Marine can be discharged because of a facebook post, why can't we use this "Congressman's" post as grounds for impeachment. He obviously isn't representing his entire district, only the ones that happen to believe in the same things he does.

Additionally, I am sick of these preachers turned politicians using their pulpits as tax-free campaign stops for the Evangelical right. If you publicly endorse a political philosophy or candidate (yep, I'm looking at you Charles Worley), then you should be held accountable just like every other PAC or campaign affiliate. There is absolutely no reason why these Fundamentalists should be screaming about the separation of Church and State if they refuse to abide by it. Freedom OF religion also guarantees freedom FROM religion.

pastor - lawmaker; leave it to the South to mix politics and religion.

There is a documentary on either LINK TV or Current that exposes American churches who lobby in Uganda to pass laws that allow the killing of gay people. Where does your church 10% go?

Tex, you're quite disgusting, though you are probably that way on purpose.

Anyway........Jesus warned against false prophets and religion........is quite a shame that that false religion bares his name.

(There, I cherry picked a line, and gave MY interpretation.......as valid as anyone else. )

(( Just food for thought ))

Much Love n Bright Blessings,

Da Pup

>:o):

If it got swept away, how come the Old Testament was still included in the biblical texts?

And IF elected, they should be forced to either resign from their ministry, or have ALL tax exemptions removed from their personal income and their church's income as part of the rulings on NO POLITICS in such an exemption. It's too bad the IRS never enforces that little clause.

Toasty, because of the ties between the Judeo and Christian traditions. But supposedly Jesus said that he came to replace the old laws if you read what the "disciples" supposedly wrote as HIS words. Of course, that was all heresay, since the first book wasn't written (John) until at least 49 years AFTER HIS death. We all know what happens to oral stories in time.

theres also my favorite, "beware of false prophets"...which sums up these radical morons who show hatred and intolerance to gays, while forgetting what Jesus taught...compassion, respect, tolerance.

There is also a story in the Bible where a woman was caught in the act of adultery. She was dragged before Jesus and the same scriptures that are being used today, was used then. They said the law of Moses said she should be stoned to death. Jesus said let him that is without sin cast the first stone. No stones were thrown that day. This preacher should examine hmself and if he finds himself perfect he should start stoning the clergy who are adulterous, and the pedophile priests, and if he has any stones left when he is .... I do not beleive in Gay Marriage, but Jesus did say let the wheat and the tares grow together until the day of harvest. God is the only one who can judge!!

Amen Frank and why did Jesus say let them grow together. Well if you look at it from a simple farming aspect. If you pull up a tare that is too close to the wheat it will pull them both up together. Also that scripture says it will be who that harvests that last great harvest. Christ and his Angels! Not Man and his Preachers!!

As I recall, Jesus said that he came to fulfill the Old Testament, not to "sweep it away." And as to the adulterous woman, Jesus never said she was innocent or should not be punished; he simply was calling the mob to account for their own sins. Of course Jesus was not big on punishment in any case, and that also fulfills the Old Testament, which says that vengence belongs to the Lord, not to man.

Yet in our political system fools like this were CHOSEN by fools like this. He's representing his constituent fools like a fool. They're not fooling anyone with their hypocrisy and hate.

ONe thing many Pastors and Teachers of the Word do is take it out of context. Another thing is most don't read the whole letter. Its like reading part of some body's mail without reading all of it. Scripture always confirms what it says. Now Paul was addressing Rome at the time. He was saying to them what their condition was and what was going to happen if they continued down this path. He also mentions what happens to the state of this person or persons who practice this. The scripture in Romans is not calling for them to be put to death. It states they are people who know what they are doing is wrong and that they are worthy of death which means through God's judgement. Not man's judgement. Paul is also dealing here with a BELIEVING CHRISTIAN WHO HAS GONE back to this and doing these things. You see the unbeliever is going to be judged by GOD, while the Believer is Judged by Christ and the Church. Read this whole scripture to get a real understanding what Paul is dealing with here.

1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

² (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

³ Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

⁴ And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

⁵ By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

⁶ Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

⁷ To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

⁸ First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

⁹ For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

¹⁰ Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.

¹¹ For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;

¹² That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.

¹³ Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.

¹⁴ I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.

¹⁵ So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

¹⁶ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

¹⁷ For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

¹⁸ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

¹⁹ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

²⁰ For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

²¹ Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

²² Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

²³ And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

²⁴ Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

²⁵ Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

²⁶ For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

²⁷ And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

²⁸ And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

²⁹ Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

³⁰ Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

³¹ Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

³² Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

.....whatever.....just keep it out of our government!!! We do not want to live like Iranians!

And while you're at it, cough up some taxes due since you play politics in churches! Free ride time needs to be over! Over-reaching does have a price!

I don't see any Baptist preachers calling out those in their congregations they know are guilty and calling for their executions.

That's because most of those Baptist preachers are having affairs with anyone who is stupid enough to crawl into bed with them.

Who knew the educational, economic and social problems in Mississippi were caused by gay marriage.

You know I use to be like all of you. I would sit back and say why should I believe in that crap. Look at those hypocrites. Then one day I heard that still soft voice say to me. Men will always fail you. I will never fail you. That was not enough for me. I still ventured on my quest for truth. I became a investigator of many Religious beliefs. Then it happened. I had a strong conversion to the LORD and believed him and began following him. I am far from perfect and have learned the hard way through many years of GOD humbling me to learn that man will make mistakes and I can't fix my eyes on him. I must fix my eyes on Jesus and yes he is real. I will never be convinced any differently because of my conversion experience. Also it answered a dream I had as a child that caused me to be on a Spiritual journey from a young age. Jesus is real and he loves all people no matter what their sin may be. I know because I once was a part of that community and have many friends who I love who are also still in that lifestyle. I know that my LORD Will forgive them and he is waiting patiently for them all. Just as 1Peter3:9 says.

⁹ The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Evryone should read the Psycopath Test by Jon Robson. Our churches, board room, and halls of congress are crawling with them. Actually sociopath is more acurate and this guy is like the followers of #itler. That is how it starts One sociopath scapegoating a group of people.

Yes that is the danger of that practice. Hitler did it with not just the Jews. Yet the Left is doing a good job too of scapegoating the Christians. This blog proves that point. Period! Not all Christians are the same.

Funny thing about the Christian religion. There is no place in the bible where Jesus the Christ excluded anyone who believed in him from the kingdom of God, i.e. heaven. All of the various exclusions, preventions, hatreds are inventions of men. Jesus the Christ taught that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. All can be saved, through the Grace of God.

Those who pick and choose the various verses of the Bible to condemn other people are no different than the Jewish leaders who attempted to condemn Jesus the Christ by deception, even unto the Satan tempting him to call upon the Angels of heaven to serve Him. The fate of those who do so will be the same as that of those ancient leaders and that of the Satan.

A true follower of the Christ would strive to include all persons, to preach the good news that Jesus Lives to all persons everywhere, rather than trying to exclude anyone.

The difference between christians and jews:

Jews are persecuted throughout history, whereas christians only think they have been, but in reality they are pretty damn privileged.

TheSwordandPen79, you said, Yet the Left is doing a good job too of scapegoating the Christians. This blog proves that point. Period! Not all Christians are the same.

I don't see the so-called Left doing very much of anything to Christians. The real harm is being done by those who would muddy the Gospel of Jesus Christ with the dirt of partisan politics. Jesus refrained from being drawn into the severe political and social issues of his own day. He focused on the condition of our hearts, which are in desperate need of change. "For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world, but loses his own soul?" The only Hope for changed hearts will not be found in the filth of politics, but in the purity of the good news of Jesus.

Yet the Left is doing a good job too of scapegoating the Christians. This blog proves that point. Period! Not all Christians are the same.

Where is the "left" trying to deprive Christians of the right to marry? What rights have Christians lost?

Isn't it funny how we pick and choose what to take literally in the bible and what to overlook.....

"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death."

How many of this man's children do you suppose he has had stoned to death ?

Here's one for you Mr. A. Gipson...."let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

If he doesn't want to follow the very specific dictates of the Constitution where it regards separation of church and state, perhaps he should just stick to spreading hate from his pulpit instead of running for office. Coward.

Isn't it funny how we pick and choose what to take literally in the bible and what to overlook.....

JJhoey: Which is why it is very important to understand the bible and not pick out things like stoning your sons and base that only on what God is supposed to be like. You definetly do fit the verse in ( 1 Timothy 1:7), for that reason.

But here is one verse that any atheist should know, about how God views those other verses you have so much dissension over:

⁸ We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. ( 1 Timothy 1:8)

And more importantly:

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,"
declares the Lord. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. ( Isaiah 55:8-9)

This lawmaker is simply doing what he was told to do. He is an extremist member of the churches National Organisation of Marriage. To see what they are about and where this bigot got his message from read up:

NOM Finally Exposed: Create Wedge Between Gays and Blacks

http://lgbtpov.frontiersla.com/2012/03/27/nom-finally-exposed-create-wedge-between-gays-and-blacks/

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Why are heterosexuals so upset with Gays, if they are not Gay, and should be more upset when they hear of coaches and church leaders, abusing boys, or any adult that uses his position in our hypocritical society, when it comes to the abuse of boys.

We tax Disney, isn't it time we taxed all the fairy tale creators?

We tax Disney, isn't it time we taxed all the fairy tale creators?

Disney probably brings far more happiness to people than does religion.

If you read the link, you can see that it is their mission to infiltrate the government at any level they can to help their cause and they are using their tax exempt status to proliferate the money they need to run around the country and incite hatred. This political correctness profiling they're using is certainly not what the tax payers gave them a tax exempt status for and as this pastor in the legislature shows, the church has certainly ascertained itself well into the political arena and by their own agendas have voiced their intent to take over even the judicial seats in order to force the rest of the nation to live by their frigged up idea of christianity. They need to be reclassified and their tax exemption statuses taken away.

The Old Testament obviously provides context to the New. I have found the truth. I now understand it and will no longer live the lie.

Obama 2012, YEHAWEWWWWW!!!!!!!!!

The Bible was written by misogynists and homophobes. It's no more the word of God than my biography. It was the written collection of the oral traditions passed down for years. It was meant to be a guide, yes, but it's been out-of-date from the day it was written. Anyone who blindly follows the letter of the Bible is a total moron.

Guys like this, or Manny Pacqiao, or the Westboro baptist Church, will ultimately bring the church and religion down. All anybody religious can do is quote a book they didn't write, and never produce an original thought of their own. Trying to figure out different meanings and translations of the Bible is a complete waste of time, as I've found out over 62 years. I managed to raise a family without excerting any religious influence on them, even though I was brought up in Christian Science. Both my kids are kicking ass, and have a great moral compass NOT based on religion.

Hmm, you put forward an interesting argument, Toasty.

Seriously, they won BIG in 2010, and America has suffered because of it.

lol... I think you're suffering Toasty....

Well yeah, my tax dollars are being used to harm me and my fellow Americans.

This is what I hate. THIS IS NOT what Evangelical Christianity is all about! IT IS SHAMEFUL how so many, but not all, have perverted the Gospel of Jesus Christ with their own partisan political beliefs. This is why we need separation of church and state. Not just to protect government from undue influences of organized religion, but to protect the purity of religion (Christianity) from the abuses of politicians and partisan politics. Jesus would not be a republican or a democrat. Those who try to convey anything different are taking His name in vain!

Wow! JESUS really meant it when he said, "The day will come when those who kill you will think that they are doing God a service." What he never imagined is that so-called Christians would want to kill others and think that they're doing HIM a service! Welcome to 21st Century America!

I have decided since my beliefs are decided on nothing other than my own shallow opinions and the stories I have heard from inaccurate news sources, that I Toasty McGrath, hear by renounce every biased opinion I have ever had and from now on refuse to preach my own views of religion and morality and to become a more tolerant man.

I refuse to be the worthless hypocrite I have always been and to accept the views of others.

I love you all.

Hmm, you put forward an interesting argument, Toasty.

Bob, I am a Christian and I do not harbor genocidal views of the human race. Your categorization of all Christians does nothing to help the cause of human freedom. It hinders the liberation of all people and is not appreciated.

Bob, just because all of the Christians want to lump all Muslims into the category of those few radicals who want to "kill the enemy", that doesn't mean that it is OK that we should lump all Christians into the category of those few radicals who want to "kill the gays". BUT IT IS FAIR GAME TO POINT OUT THE SIMILARITIES!

piglizard420, quite a bit of what's wrong in this country can be traced directly to Evangelical Christians. They're a rotten bunch as a group.

Really, Quite a bit? lol... Do you guys make this crap up or is there some sort of liberal website you guys go to for these rebuttals... Is there a link on the DNC's website "Click here for stupid responses"

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(*ouch* bit my tongue!)

Steve-267218 How many have died for Christianity and other religions? How many more have to die. Just because your religion state it is wrong does not mean it is. I believe every one has their own beliefs and has a right not to be force to beleive in something they do not believe. You leave me alone I will leave you alone. But no evangelical Christianity want to force me to believe in there beliefs which i think is wrong. Remmeber FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

John,

Thanks for taking a stand as a true Christian! I hope you are right about your church. Unfortunately, I have belonged to three Southern Baptist churches in the past, and I can tell you the congregations there would support this pastor 100%.

It should be noted that 60% of the Mississippi GOP still doesn't support mixed-race marriage, so it's not just being an SBC member that makes one very likely to be a bigot.

It won't be long before this fool is caught with a male prostitute in a hotel room somewhere. With a bunch of dope on the dresser. He won't be the first preacher caught like that and won't be the last. Just ask Ted Haggard. Truly straight men don't spend much time thinking about gay sex.

Ah yes, the TRUE CHRISTIAN (tm).

You should be shamed of being a Southern Baptist. Just as there were no good Nazis, there are no good fundamentalists. You cannot belong to the Nazi party and claim that you don't stand for Nazi "values." In the same way, you cannot belong to the Southern Baptist Convention and claim that you don't support its bigotry.

Care to site sources Shrekk? Probly not.

Healthy Male - Care to site sources Shrekk?

About the 60% of the Mississippi GOP who don't support mixed-race marriage? Sure:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/04/mississippi-republicans/36455/

Public Policy Polling outfit posed a revealing question to Mississippi Republicans in their latest survey: "Do you think interracial marriage should be legal or illegal?"

Shockingly, 46 percent of the state's GOP voters replied "illegal." 14 percent bizarrely responded "not sure." That means about 60 percent of these Southern Republicans are hearkening back to a time--1958 to be exact--when the American mainstream overwhelmingly looked down on people with different shades of skin getting married.

For some context, in 2007 Gallup conducted a nationwide survey finding that 77 percent of Americans approved of interracial marriage and only 17 percent explicitly disapproved. At the time, Gallup pointed out that in 1958 only 4 percent of Americans favored interracial marriage and that as late as 1994 less than half of Americans approved. But as their chart shows, support had been rising rapidly ever since.

Is anyone surprised that Republicans in Mississippi are really ignorant bigots?

Shrekk: I read that article. In fact, it states that right in the article they are a left leaning poll survey. Other people was quoted as such that in Mississipi, even black people don't want their sons and daughters to intermarry. So why are you just perpetrating the Myth that Republicans are just a bunch of white racists?

Some other commentors from the article:

Public Policy Polling (PPP) is an American Democratic Party-affiliated polling firm based in Raleigh, North Carolina.[1][2][3] PPP was founded in 2001 by businessman and Democratic pollster Dean Debnam, the firm's current president and chief executive officer.[1][4] The company's surveys use Interactive Voice Response (IVR), an automated questionnaire used by other polling firms such as SurveyUSA and Rasmussen Reports.[5] - from wikipedia.

They use the telephone, which means they polled an older generation of voters and on top of that its a Democrat Party-affiliated polling firm - no wonder they were quick to try to attach Sarah Palin's name to racism.

Try again Shrekk!

LOL@ Unhappy. Shrekk never said Republicans are white racists. You inferred the race on your own. All he/she pointed out was that 60% of the Mississippi GOP did not support mixed race marriage.

I'm disappointed you didn't work 1 Timothy 1:8 in to the conversation again, though.

On the same hand my opinions are the same ones that led to the slaughter of millions in Russia. So I guess I am saying I have no real point.

Hmm, you put forward an interesting argument, Toasty.

You have a strange viewpoint of safety there, Tex, considering the lynchings, the cross burnings, and the murder of Emmett Till............but like you said I guess it was safe for "at least part of the state", huh?

Its also simply amazing how so many unbelievers seem to be experts on what Christians believe when all of you unbelievers seem to claim you don't believe. How can you be an expert on something you have no actual knowledge of. Yes many misquote scripture all the time and yes many Christians make some idiotic mistakes. Yet its called the condition of man living in a fallen world if you believe like the Christian. What is being failed to be mentioned is that God gives forgiveness today in this period of Grace through the Cross of Jesus Christ. Jesus Came to Save All Mankind. He can't be a Savior if only a Savior of One. He is a Savior to All who will believe. Once you chose him your old ways are forgiven. Your admonished not to return to those old ways and learn to live as Christ taught us. Yet you have man who has put his own ways in and that is where the problem lies. When fallen Man gets in the Way of GOD.

Because many Non-believers used to be believers and actually studied religion. And, the more they studied, the more they started asking themselves it if all made sense. So, to say non-believers have no knowledge is a false statement.

Sword, I don't know any Christians because I don't know anyone who calls himself a Christian who is actually following the teachings of Christ. Are there any Christians who avoid any form of violence in deed or thought against their neighbors? That requires that you love terrorists, child-molesters and Communists, and I just haven't heard it. Are there any Christians who give their wealth to the poor and make it their mission to visit the people in prison and those in nursing homes? Where are all the Christians hiding? If even a small percentage of people in the US were living "Christian" lives, we would see their good works all around us. I haven't. All Christians seem to make are token efforts when it's convenient for them to do so. That's not what Christ taught. There is a popular saying that "Christians aren't perfect, they're just forgiven." How do Christians reconcile living their entire lives racking-up ever more acts, both of commission and ommision, that they need to be forgiven for?

MassArarchist.

You won't get an argument at all from me when you say what you say. I understand it completely. In order to be obedient to the Word I will just say this. There are just a handful your right who are doing what Christ actually said to do. THAT IS WHY ITS TIME FOR THE REAL CHRISTIANS TO COME OUT OF THE CLOSET AND THE 4 Walls of THE CHURCHES. I have always preached sell the buildings and burn your TAX EXEMPTION STATUS and PREACH the GOSPEL of CHRIST. Not just preach it but also practice it too. Once this happens and all the monies that come from the sale of all those properties and all those homes those TBN EVANGELISTS own are sold and the MONEY given to the POOR then and ONLY then MAYBE the WORLD will PAY ATTENTION. So yes your right they don't all practice what JESUS taught.

Actually, it is not nice to call them Christians. Jesus had nothing to do with them. Never approved of them. His parents never supported them. Essentially, Christianity was the invention of Saint Paul, who never met Jesus and who never was one of Jesus' apostles*. He was the one who opened the Jewish reform movement that Jesus started to uncircumsized heathens.

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Jesus' original instructions to his apostles included a prohibition to not "cast pearls before swine." By "pearls" he meant his teachings/ideas. By "swine" he meant non-Jews. One could wish that all these Paulists could 'get a life.' Oink!

Shades of Jim & Tammy Fay with their air conditioned dog house! Those were the good old days.

Glen Scott, Spoken like a true Zionist!

Jesus also rebuked the Sanhedrin and all the Religious leaders of his time for them twisting the Law to take advantage of the People.

" also simply amazing how so many unbelievers seem to be experts on what Christians believe when all of you unbelievers seem to claim you don't believe. How can you be an expert on something you have no actual knowledge of."

Uh, how do you think I became an atheist? I read the book (books actually since I was 100% LDS when I was younger), noted it was full of BS and contradictions, and decided to be intellectually honest with myself...

Sword... do you have a whore or a concubine? No? Then I guess you don't follow the Bible very well. Bible thumpers... can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.

Another Charlatan! Oh please even Hitler believed in God. How come the South is so deformed...too much inbreeding I guess. They feel awful guilty about somtin down der...sorry spelled that like I was educated in Mississippi!! my bad.

Mass Anarchist, I want to address a couple of fallacies about what you have posted. First in addressing the issue of the pastor being "a liar". Christians are not passifists however they are called to not cause harm without the authority of law. The Death Penalty (Which God clearly endorses) would fall into that catagory. When God speaks about "the blood will be on their heads", He is not saying that we are to go and kill homosexuals. He is saying that whatever consequence comes from the poor decision to practice homosexuality is on the head of the person who commits to the decision. It is important to discern Scripture from the exegenic and contextual point of view. Your opinion about the pastor is therefore, fallacious because he is simply saying that he supports God's opinion. There is no current mandate in
Scripture to punish. After moving into the New Covenant, we leave punishment to God.

Secondly, and really, more importantly, why are you trying to judge God based on all of His broken followers? Christians are just like non-Christians. We sin, we have malice, envy, jealousy, rage, and we work hard everyday to try to avail ourselves of the Spirit to walk away from those sins. Mine have always been sins of the flesh. I have been a Christian for 21 years and I still anquish and struggle with lust, pornography and sex. That includes homosexuality. I knew it was wrong when I was doing it. Even before I was a Christian, I knew it was wrong, but it was fun and rebellious and a compulsion. I am saved by Grace not by anything I do.

I grow so tired of non-believers having such an unrealistic expectation of Believers. We smoke, we have tattoos, we commit adultery. Is that good? NO. Is that what we want? NO. You want to to see fruit of the lives we have chosen and the moment we step out of line (in this case, he didn't, the offense was only perceived) and you pounce and say "hypocrite!". We struggle because of the pervasive, secular, lust-filled, culture that non-believers have propogated. The culture used to be ours up until 60 years ago. Then, the power brokers of culture were adults. Now, culture is powered by the desires of youth from age 12 to 30. There is no desire for being conservative, frugal, modest, self-controlled and the society and culture reflect that. So as Christians are bombarded by immediacy and social degradation (in our opinion) it becomes more difficult for us to live a day to day life that reflects Christ in us. And, boy, don't you guys savor that? The moment there is a crack in the armor, you pounce on it. You rig the game, you make the rules, and the moment we loose the game, it makes it to the front page of MSN. If you are concerned about us, why don't you reflect the grace and tolerance you seem to think we don't have? If we are just a fringe element and totally irrelevant to culture, just ignore us. We're ignorant and backwards. We clearly don't control government. We really can't control corporate America or the evil education system. When we say what we believe (which liberals and non-Believers do and expect to be able to do all the time) just leave us alone. Then whatever happens in the world because of the culture you have allowed to grow exponentially more sordid...well..."the blood will be on (your) heads."

Artsy Lady....

Your response to Sword is just mean-spirited. Anyone with a modicom of intellectualism knows that you read ancient texts by context first, then exegenically. The admonitions about prostitutes and concubines were consistent with the resident culture of the time. Christianity opposes slavery but Paul wrote an entire letter to Philemon addressing how he should properly treat his slave, recognizing that slavery, right or wrong, was a part of the culture. Even Jesus recognized things that were unjust when He told Peter to "give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give to God what belongs to God" when addressing unfair taxation.

It is wonderful to discuss stuff like this but it becomes odious when people talk about the Scripture without knowing its context or purpose. The real question is Why do you care? The culture will eventually allow gay marriage. It's wrong but it will happen because we have crossed a Rubicon in the world of morality and culture. Just as Rome was a culture based on order and family, so was the US. Just as Rome lost control of it's culture, so to has the US. I suppose that means we should be looking for the Visigoths coming over the hills. Good thing we should have a hearty, well-trained Gay army to defend us by then.

Glen Scutt...

Your ideas about Jesus and his followers are media driven and horribly erroneous. The most grievous error you made was that Paul never met Jesus. Do you not remember the Road to Damascus?

"Saul, (Paul's original Roman name) why do you persecute me?" And he said, "who are You, Lord?" And He said, "I am Jesus, whom you persecute."-----Acts 9:4-6

So while making assertions about the Scriptures, perhaps you could make statements that are actually verifiable, thus making your assertions ones worthy of reading and discussing.

Again, I remind people the first rule of seminary....Mr. Context is our Friend. You wouldn't read the Illiad or the Odyssey without keeping the context of the culture in mind.

First off, it was a disciplined culture. We glorify a discipline culture if it is not Christian. Take Frank Miller's 300. Little boys were subjugated to the most rigorous and harsh discipline by the Spartans. But because God asked the Israelites to keep order in their camp..."to be Holy, as (their) God was Holy" their bad. Besides, I don't think I have read any stories lately on MSN of child stonings in the US evangelical community. Apparently, the backwards, retro-cultural Christians have grasped the simple concept of contextual reading and exegenic study.

Second error...Oman was not executed for spilling his seed. He was executed for directly disobeying God. I have news for you. Death isn't the worst punishment one can get. God was consistently hard on the Israelites in the area of discipline because they were in a place where they couldn't afford to stray from God's care. When one of the members of Joshua's family to booty and hid it in his tent after God's instructions to destroy everything in Jericho, He allowed the Israelites to be defeated in their next battle. When the culprit was identified, he confessed before the congregation and repented. I believe that he will be in heaven, however, that doesn't mean He will take away the consequence of his actions. The man and his entire family were stoned to death. Even the taking of the Promised Land itself seems incongruous with what are human idea of God should be. God told the Israelites to kill every living thing in the cities they took. No man, woman, child, elder, or pet was exempt. When they failed to do that or negotiated treaties there were consequences. The idea of punishment for children is no different. Punishment is deterrent. In the Jewish culture, there is no greater sin than to defy your parents. It is essentially defying God since He is our heavenly Father.

God knew that Israel would only survive if they pursued whole-hearted, generational obedience. Jesus (God) said, "If you love Me, you will obey My commandments." That meant children who continually disobey (not isolated offenses) their parents had turned a corner of no return and could actually cause harm to the Israelites. So the solution and deterrent, was to take them to the city gate and stone them to death. It should be noted that there are no reports of such executions in the Scripture. This is the context from which the Scripture comes.

Because we live under the New Covenant of the Christ, we live under Grace. Because we are all equally worthless, to quote R. Lee Ermy in Full Metal Jacket, we now leave punishment to God. That's why we aren't stoning our kids even though many of them, mine included are unruly.

Point being, you can't talk about quotes from the Scriptures and isolate them and use them as a rhetorical point, without being absolutely accurate in the point of context. Indeed, liberals and non-believers who accuse Christians of cherry picking Scripture, are often the most guilty of it. These are case in points. The argument that Christians are using select Scriptures to support their dissapproval of homosexuality are once again not using context. If there were only one reference in the Bible about being gay, that point of view might be valid. However, the Scriptures consistent prohibition against abberant sexual behavior is consistent. Besides the references in the Levitical texts, the texts in the New Testament some 2000 years later in the Book of Romans, also forbids the behavior. This isn't selective Scripture reading. This is the genuine position of God and the Scriptures, consistently reinforced throughout the 3200 year time of its writing.

The Right is so embarrased of their Party they think they can delete the way people think on the vine. Sorry your to late everybody in the world is laughing at you

We are not talking gay marriage, we are talking threatening to kill a human being. Slightly different issue, wouldn't you think?

The people who used to lynch blacks for fun also the same people who opposed mixed-race marriage.

Remember, most individuals who talk like this are closet gays themselves - it si just a defense mechanism.

Andy Gipson, R-Braxton he is so confused he will not even go down on an escalator

This is simple, folks. If you believe in the Bible and the Word of God printed therein, you believe that gays should be put to death. This is what Gipson believes. You can't have it both ways.

There is a penalty for being a rump ranger, it's called aids! If you like taking it up the butt, keep it in the closet. I think it's a perverted lifestyle. But it is not for us to judge, they can explain when they stand in front of their maker.

Worn out I pray that one of your children grows up gay...it's god's will. And you're right you are worn out!

Sorry Graham, my kids were raised right, they are heterosexual just like their parents. You would pray that one of my kids becomes gay? You sir have no idea what praying is about, maybe you should try church once and a while. My youngest just got confirmed in the church yesterday. And I'm wornout from working my whole life to pay for your liberal entitlements. Like I said it isn't for us to judge, but I guess you can huh.

Clint Eastwood also noted the negative influence extreme right wing nuts are having on the Republican Party. Religion has no place in the political arena, yet Evangelicals will not give up on treading on those who don't share their views. The more marginalized they become, the better.

They also like to claim they're "persecuted" for their beliefs, but I never hear the secular folk trying to infringe on the rights of others... it's always the "persecuted" ones...

At one time, to be a "Goldwater Republican" was to be about as conservative as one could be. Compared to the Taliban Tea Party nuts in the GOP, however, Goldwater was a flaming liberal. He'd probably be unable to get elected today.

JennCoolFla,

You really have nothing to worry about. True social conservatives have long understood that the Republican Party will never be what we hope. Evangelicals have seen over and over again the tepid, flaccid response to our desires for our legislators to actually make a difference since the Reagan Administration. Eventually, the party becomes centered on Nationalism and money. Abortion is still rampant. Sex is still the pervasive facet of the youth culture. Pornography is more unchecked than ever. Gay Marriage is now blessed from the Executive branch and being protected by the Judiciary.

The Republican party courts the far right, because it needs to have a show of unity. But if you look at the candidates it has thrown up, all milqtoast and socially ambivilent, it is easy to see that they truly don't want to actually have to deal with those issues. I have always perceived the Democrats and the Republicans as different sides of the same coin. How many liberals have openly wondered why our presence in the Middle East is still so vast and that we are threatening war with Iran. I guess the Audacity of Hope doesn't extend to the sovereignty of foreign nations.

Point being, there is never going to be a truly liberal, grass-roots party (Libertarian, Green) that can threaten or make a difference in an ironclad, two party system, any more than Ron Paul or the Tea Party can on the Conservative side. Like evangelical political activists they would be labeled as extremists and marginalized so that their view point would seem invalid.

The fact is, Mitt Romney is just another cookie cutter conservative meant to be defeated by Obama, just as Clinton defeated Bob Dole. It's okay, that's happened to liberals too, remember how weak Mondale/Ferraro was against Reagan. The elections are facade. Whoever makes the most money is going to win the election. Nothing substantive will be won by true liberals or true conservatives. Whoever wins...we will still be at war and we will still be a depraved society. Niether of us will get what we really want out of the election.

Barry,

The fact is that the Tea Party doesn't really focus on social issues either. They are so immersed in Tax rebellion (a healthy endeavor I agree with), that they really don't have much of a platform on social issues like abortion, gay marriage and pornography. I realize that most Christians do flock to the Tea Party, because most of them are middle-class, conservative property owners and they respond to the Tea Party's fetching platform. Deep down, it is selfishness though. Evangelical leaders are trying to raise up a candidate like Santorum, but deep down the Church has already become so contaminated by the selfishness of the world that they want to preserve their "kingdom". I agree with their position about taxation and less government. But those issues aren't really substantive in comparison to abortion, Gay marriage and depravity which will rot the culture from the inside out and make the population more controllable for the government.

Sex is still the pervasive facet of the youth culture.

Still? Sex has always been the pervasive facet of youth culture. Have you forgotten what it was like to be 18?

Gay marriage and depravity which will rot the culture from the inside out and make the population more controllable for the government.

How does gay marriage "rot" our culture?

Mason - I don't believe you exist. Will your posting disappear now and make room for yet more mindless prattle?

And we can now declare you the most moronic idiot on the face of the planet. Thanks for the proof.

Convert-1509451 - There is no doubt as to how God feels about this kind of behaviour.

In other words:

I don't hate fags, it's my imaginary friend in the sky who hates fags.

And it's rather amusing that a government representative like Gipson would be quoting the bible rather than the US constitution's guarantee of equal treatment under the law. The guy sounds like a member of the American Taliban.

it's also very clear in the bible how god feels about eating shellfish and wearing polyester. why isn't this guy calling for the mass slaughter of people who disobey those commands?

I don't think the point is missed... a guy that believes in the bible is using his position as an elected official to highlight that the bible calls for the killing of some people.

The point you seem to be missing is that many people do not believe in the bible... and there should be no decisions made by U.S. government, nor positions supported by public officials, that are directly related to the teachings in the bible... that is unless you believe in another holy book called the Koran,, then it is standard practice for some governments to take actions based on those teachings. Not much of a difference between the two mindsets.

Would God ask to kill them?

God did not write the bible...ordinary people did over the course of several hundred years. But if you actually believe it is the word of God, why are you not stoning your wife, selling your slaves and avoiding masterbation?

Is your god the one that lived with no one but men?? Who had men leave their wives to be with him?? Today they call that gay!! Maybe he can go to Bachman's husband and be 'cured of the gay'!! LOL What a crock!!

Convert, there's no doubt how ONE of the many gods in the world feels about homosexuality. And considering a lot of us don't believe in that one, KEEP YOUR GOD OUT OF MY LAWS.

True, the Mosaic law did include other prohibitions that are no longer in effect. But things repeated in the new testament that prohibit what was forbidden in the old testament only emphasize the fact that God does not and will not change his views. He also says in that text in Romans that not only does he view that behaviour bad but that those who also approve of it are guilty in his eyes. In Corinthians he states that people who do that are not going to inherit his kingdom unless they stop that conduct.

Romans and Corinthians are letters from Paul not Jesus Christ. Paul was not an apostle.

MO'S - Is your god the one that lived with no one but men?? Who had men leave their wives to be with him?? Today they call that gay!!

It's been said that Jesus really loved John.

God did not write Romans, or Corinthians. Either Paul, or someone pretending to be Paul, wrote it. And Paul never even met Jesus. He was a career soldier and a Roman citizen, for crying out loud!

God did not write Romans, or Corinthians.

Yeah yeah we know. God only wrote the parts you happen to agree with. By the way I have it on good authority that Darwin only wrote the parts of the Origin of Species that turned out to be 100% correct. The rest was added by his assistant Cletus.

skrekk, ...still trolling i see,you must be a masochist,love to get beat up on the vine,doing the same old, same old,how,s that recall election going up there in Wisconsin,still sub contracting for the Dept of VETERANS AFFAIRS? hope your not participating in the OCCUPUNK DEMONSTRATIONS in CHICO A GO-GO Them cops are using BIG, BIG BATONS might not distinguish between the rainbow bunch,and the anarchists,allthough they all come from the same" ultra left wing social engineering school of how to exterminate mankind because they are all bad" academy for libtard arts..........have a nice day........oh,captain khaos says howdy....and he still a b.... your favorite word....and loving it.

I'm glad ROn Paul is finallly gettting credit for his lettter sto the Corinthians. The LIberal media back then always ignored him.

Major dicke ... is there a point somewhere in that rant, or are you just trying to live up (or down) to your nickname?

major dicke - oh,captain khaos says howdy....and he still a b.... your favorite word....and loving it.

In other words, you're a re-reg of a banned user. And proud of it.

skrekk: You really have to stop this trolling. A man of your age shouldn't be this hostile.

skrekk,your in good buddy company,barrynj just slithered in,too bad you both have no other input on the vine except on these type of topics and the most you contribute is trolling..................

skrekk, the captain and i exchange e-mails on a reg basis,man.... does he rag on you and barry say,s he's never seen two fellas as morally corrupt and twisted as you two, i told him there are several thousand deviants just like them on the vine, but his focus seems to be on you and barry .

Major ... did you forget to take your meds AGAIN?

I rest my case, .....TROLL